MEGGAN ROXANNE: THE PERSON BEHIND STEVEN BARTLETT & JAY SHETTY'S GROWTH

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1:32Hello everyone, my name is Jamie Lang and this is Great Company.

1:41Can I say something strange? Go. Okay. Actually depends what it is. It's not that strange. I've been listening back to your edits, so you sent me a... You and these edits? Come on. You sent me the edit for the last episode, which was Rylan. Yeah. And normally I don't listen to the episodes because I don't, I actually don't like the sound of my voice sometimes and it irritates. Very normal. Very normal. Yeah. However, I listened to the episode before it went out because you, I feel like firstly, should be polite of me to do that because you've been doing the editing. I was gripped. Were you? Your editing is so good.

2:21Oh, thank you. It's not going to sound like we're just complimenting each other. I'm just complimenting you. But it just sounds great. It's pacey. The music's good. The intro is fun. I just really loved it. Thanks so much. Well, there's a lot of you in there too. There's a lot of me in there, but it was just really good. But that's a real compliment if you can listen to yourself and not feel sick. I liked it. Yeah. Hey, we're in a bit of a different... Oh, I'm Jemima, the producer. Oh, and hello. I am the host of Great Company. My name is Jamie Ling. We're in a slightly different room today, aren't we?

2:51Yeah, we... might sound a bit different. Well, really excitingly, we've just moved offices and I have a confectionary business called Candy Kittens. I think you have a confession. I have a confession business. I have a confectionary business. You should do that. What, a confession business? Yeah. Sell, doesn't the, sell those boxes? Doesn't the Catholic church already have that? Yeah. Why not? They're the only, they've got the monopoly. Okay. Maybe I license it from them. Confession business. I have a confectionary business, Candy Kittens, and we obviously have Jam Pot. and we've now got everything under one roof.

3:23So we have three floors and studio in the bottom and our studio has been built at the moment, which is very exciting. But we are currently recording in the room, which we call the think tank. And it's very exciting. So we're in our first time recording in our new office. Yee-haw. Is that what you say? Yee-haw. Yee-haw, very country and Western. Yeah, very, that's very in this summer. I was going to say Christmas then. I keep calling. We've got our I keep saying it's a Christmas party tonight It's the summer party Not Christmas party Hey, cool guest today Megan Roxanne Roxanne A name that people might not know that they know Yeah, which This is why it's so interesting And the reason why we wanted to get on the podcast Is you may not know who Megan is But I'm sure you would have come across One of her quotes or seen a post on Instagram or social media.

4:19Megan is the founder of a social media account, well, her most famous one, The Good Quote. And it has over 24 million followers. It was one of the first accounts ever to give text. She started on Tumblr and then moved over to Instagram. And she is one of the people who has helped the likes of Jay Shetty, Stephen Bartlett, grow their accounts from pretty small numbers to the large numbers they have today. Yeah, she's an absolute boss. But also the concept that there was once a time where a picture quote, so like a quote as a picture didn't exist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, completely. Completely, it's mad.

5:02It's like a chair. You can never imagine a chair not existing. Yeah. And she sort of created that whole kind of concept. And from what I've read and researched and the research that's come through is that she not only has had this incredible sort of business life and understands social media, behind the curtains, she has this, you know, slightly disruptive life in lots of different ways. you know her mum who she was very close to died of cancer and she's been very open about that um and I'm so excited to get her on to talk not only about business and social media but also life and grief and all these incredible things it's gonna be amazing yeah yeah and she's got a new book out which is um all about that so we'll dig into all of that do you think I should give her a quote oh my god that would be amazing okay but do you do you have a quote what is it uh what What quotes do I have?

5:52It has to be you. You can't quote someone else. Well, that's quite true. Do you know the one that I really believe that I created? Go on. Naivety is your biggest weapon. Did you create that? I really think I, that's what I have said. You say it a lot. I've said that for years and I hear people talk about naivety, but I totally believe it. Yeah. Absolutely. I think we in life should lead like a child. As soon as your business or your relationship or your friendships loses that sense of childness, that's when they become boring. Do you know who I think says something quite similar to that? Jesus.

6:28Really? I'm pretty sure. This is going back to my Sunday school days. He said lead like a child. I think he said, blessed are the children. Okay. All right. Well, listen, we're very excited to have Megan Roxanne on the podcast today. Now guys, if you haven't followed or subscribed Where you're listening to this It makes a huge difference I cannot explain to you So if you like the episode Please share it and follow us If you don't, don't worry about it It's okay, move on to a different podcast Well don't Don't Try the next one or go back to others Yeah Anyway, are you ready for this? Yes Okay Enjoy the episode with Megan Roxanne on Great Company Hi, I'm Megan Roxanne and I am Great Company

7:13The good quote, which is your business, which is an incredible business that so many people around the world love, cherish, have helped. I, I, it helped me a while ago. Really? Yeah. And you probably hear this a lot, right? Where someone or some person has connected with your business. But I was dealing with heavy anxiety. Okay. And I didn't know who to turn to. Everyone I spoke to didn't understand it. I was very young at the time, you know, I was in my twenties and I, the only way I could describe it to people, I said to my friends, do you ever feel really nervous, like scared? And they would say, yeah, like when I'm watching a horror movie or whatever, and I couldn't explain my feelings.

7:56And one of your quotes, I can't remember what it was, but explained what I was feeling almost in this, in this amazing way. And it made me understand the situation that I was going through so much. So my question to you is, why do you think words connect with us so much? That's such a great question. I think words have the ability to ruminate in our minds. And so therefore we have to be extremely careful with the things that we say to others and over ourselves. and I think they're long lasting you know somebody can tell you something and in 10 years time it can still circulate in your mind I think we have to be extremely careful with our words when I was younger I'll give you a funny story um I and I wrote this in my book actually I wasn't a great kid I had a lot of um unresolved issues at home you know with absent father etc so I used to um beat up all the kids that had dads basically.

9:03Did you? Yeah. And I got asked to leave from my primary school. How old are you? I was like five. I was an angry kid. And you beat up the other kids who had a dad? It wasn't everybody. It was just a few, but like, it wasn't great. It wasn't great. And I remember my mom sat me down because my mom was the complete opposite of me. You know, she was a Capricorn woman. She was very, she had a very grounded, small life. And for me, extravagant, you know, and she sat me down and she said, words have more power than your fists. You need to learn how to speak. You can literally say one sentence to somebody and stop them in their tracks.

9:46But if you punch somebody, you are going to get in trouble. and the actual issue at hand is never going to get resolved because now everyone's going to look at what you did rather than what you said. So you need to be able to speak to people in a way where you're empathetic, but you also stand up for yourself and get your point across. And - I love that. It's so true. And so for me, from that moment forward, I realized, okay, words are just impactful as a punch, but they can just be as impactful as a hug. So I have to be very careful with the words that I choose. And this led me to writing. It's so true.

10:25You know, words have a way more long lasting effect than it does with violence or anything like that. And these amazing people throughout history were just so great with their words. That's what we remember. And the only thing I sometimes think is that because of social media, it feels like everyone can have a voice, which can be a good thing. And also a very bad thing. It's a very bad thing at the same time. Yeah. And with the good quote, what we were talking about before we started is that when you started that, no one was doing what you were doing. No. On social media. No. People were posting their photos.

11:06People were posting, I was posting myself on a restaurant with a friend. You did something completely different and that's what sort of bolted through everything. Yeah. I think it's quite a detailed story. And it also includes the way that my mind works. So the whole journey started on Tumblr, right? 2010, I was on Tumblr. I was really depressed. I dropped out of uni. I dropped out of uni three times. I did my first year three times. Third time lucky. Yeah, I wasn't. And my mum was just like, this is insane. Like, what are you doing? And I just can't feel the vibe at uni. Like, I feel like I want to leave.

11:44Where were you? I went to Brunel, right? So I just didn't like it, you know? And it was a bit fast paced. I went from high school, college, uni, now I'm an adult. Like I wanted life to kind of slow down. So I dropped out and I became really depressed. And for six months I was literally in bed, you know, at home. I didn't speak to my friends or anything. And I went onto Tumblr and I realized, oh, this is a community where metrics don't matter. You know, Facebook was quite big. I was growing pages during uni on Facebook and selling them to people. So I already had some sort of clue of how to grow communities, right?

12:21That's literally how I used to pay my rent. And so, yeah, back in the day, Facebook pages were really popular. It's a great way to like build communities. This is like 2010, 2011. That's right at the beginning. Right at the beginning. I found ways to create groups for people. So I would literally pay, people would literally pay me to create them a group of like 10 ,000 people. How did you know that was going to be a thing? How did you understand that building communities online was going to be successful? I think I, I always had an obsession with the way people migrate to a follow to a particular belief or following.

12:59So I used to do a lot of research on YouTube in regards to like cult followings, how church are able to bring people in, how gangsters are able to get people to work for them, regardless of how dangerous the jobs are. Like, how do you do that? How do you get people to believe so much into a message that they want to stick with you and they want to help you grow and they want to help you achieve your dreams? And once I learned that, I realized I can implement that strategy into growing communities. I just have to find something that loads of people are interested in, keep creating a consistent flow of content and people will join.

13:35That was literally it. Why do people follow people? I can only go from why I follow people. I follow people for particular, for various reasons. It could be I want to look like her, so I'm going to study her life and find out what she eats and what she does in the gym. Or I am really admired by his lifestyle and her lifestyle, or I want to be just as smart as her. So we follow people because I guess they give us a glimpse of what life could be, you know, if we were to make certain changes in our lives. At the same time, we follow people for entertainment. We follow people because they have ways of creating beautiful content.

14:11I don't know. There's so many reasons. But those are the reasons that I follow people. It's interesting, right, because even though you were depressed at the time and you were shying away from community, you still knew the value of community. Yeah, I knew that, you know, when I was in bed one day and, you know, my mum came into my room and she was just like, you need to, you need to get out of this funk. This is becoming a bit scary, you know, because depression is really insane. Right. And so I was on Tumblr and I realised in order for me to get out of this situation, I need to make money. So I started posting, just randomly posting my thoughts.

14:53nobody engaged. Then I would post a picture with my thoughts in text, a few people engaged. And I was looking at the feed and I was thinking, how do I get these words to translate to people quicker? Because I knew that they would have to take a screenshot, then crop it. And then, you know, so I thought, let me put that into a picture quote. Let me make a picture out of my quote and then share that on Tumblr. Then I did that for a while. And again, it got a few hundred likes and I was listening to Wiz Khalifa's mixtape called Christian Orange Juice and there was a song that he um oh my gosh this was years ago and I took the lyrics from that song and I put it on a picture quote I found a picture of Wiz Khalifa I tinted it I added his lyric I made the text Helvetica I added like a shadow around it uploaded it woke up the next day to like 12 ,000 followers right 12 000 followers all of these requests and i was like fuck what did i do these times i'm in debt with my mom for about seven grand because she bought me a car that i promised i was going to pay back and when i dropped out of uni i dropped i quit work i just i just completely x'd out and um i was thinking okay 12 000 followers and people were just like we want more more positive quotes more positive quotes so i just started listening to hip-hop i always listened to like Biggie and Tupac, but I was never really into hip hop like that.

16:19My mum raised me as a Trinidadian. So we listened to Calypso and Soka at home or Gospel on Sundays, but I started to listen to a lot more hip hop and I started to look for more positive lyrics. And then I made picture quotes out of all of those lyrics and posted them and people would request. And then I thought, let me stop this. Let me, let me do like William Shakespeare quotes and see if my audience like that, no reblogs, no, no shares, nothing. People are like, what the fuck is this? It's like, we want to see more hip hop. So I just continued. Really, there was no connection. No one cared. Nobody cared.

16:50So I was like, this is so interesting because when you read quotes, it's from these great people, you know, and the language might be a bit different, but that's what gives the authenticity of the quote, isn't it? No one cared about what William Shakespeare or Van Gogh had to say. People cared more about what Tupac and Riz Khalifa had to say. So I just continued making those quotes. And then I got flooded with a whole bunch of DMCA notices. So I had to really think on my feet quickly. DMCA? Is it DMCA? Where the original owner of the photograph that you're using, I didn't get any licenses from these photos and I was getting them from Google and other people's Instagram pages of artists.

17:30And then I was putting the quotes on top of these pictures. Got it. So people were claiming copyright. Yeah. And by this time I had about 50 ,000 followers. It's the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Right. Yes. So on the third day of blogging, I had about 50 ,000 followers. And I thought to myself, there's 50 ,000 people in here. That's two O2 Avenas, you know? So let me start making some money. So I, it's crazy. I took a jumper from a streetwear store. I edited all of their artwork off the jumper and I put a slogan on top of that jumper. I opened up a store. I think it was, what's it? big cartel.

18:15Yeah, big cartel. Yeah. That was it back in the day. I opened up a big cartel store, put the t-shirt up there. It said, cool story, bro. Cause I know that that was a really big saying in America back in the day. Cool story, bro. Like you might tell me something and I would say, oh, cool story, bro. And I put that on a jumper and in three weeks time, I made more money than my mom made annually as a bookkeeper accountant. I made about just under 50 K in three weeks. And I was working, you know, in some retail store for like£6.99 an hour. So that was insane. Wow. Yeah, that was insane. That's when I realised, okay, not only can I grow a community, but I can actually get this community to buy the things that they're interested in.

18:58And I could be rich. That was literally my thoughts at 2021. How did you understand? Because you're feeling depressed. You've been in bed. you have quit university. How did you understand how to edit? How did you understand how to set up a cartel? How did you understand how to find a hoodie and then buy the stock? I was broke. So I had to steal someone's hoodie online. I had to edit their logo out because how else I was going to make money? I didn't even have like a hundred pounds. I didn't even have enough money to buy a t-shirt and get a sample made. I didn't have that. So I did pre-orders, you know?

19:38and we had 50 ,000 pounds worth of free orders. All of these boxes got delivered to my mother's house. And one time she came home from work and she tried to open the front door and she couldn't because there were just so many boxes from Gildan, the jumpers, right? And the t-shirts and she flipped out. You know, she had a really strong Trini accent. She was like, Megan, this is my home. You know, by tomorrow when I come back from work, I want all of this gone. So I was like, what the fuck? What am I supposed to do now? Because everything I learned was just when it arrived. I didn't plan for any of this, you know.

20:10And so I got a warehouse in a place called Wentar in Watford, which was designed to help new businesses. So they gave like cheap warehouse rates. And I was there sometimes 18 hours a day just packing these orders by myself. You were just packing them by yourself? Yeah, I went on to YouTube. I was reading a lot of forums and books. It was really forums and then YouTube where I would just read, you know, how to start a t-shirt line, how to ship t-shirts, you know, because I don't know what I'm doing. You're just learning on all these orders. Yeah. And then, you know, so I was studying during the night and then working during the day.

20:48And yeah, I shipped out all these orders, but I was getting bags underneath my eyes. I was getting weak. And my mother was just like, you need somebody to help you. When did you realise you were running a business? I didn't for a long time. It was always been like a project of passion. And I think that shows actually. And I think that's where I've gone terribly wrong. And it stopped. It stopped quite abruptly because my mother got diagnosed with cancer about a year in. And I just, we had enough money. So I just stopped blogging. I stopped everything. And I took a year off and I looked after her and she recovered.

21:24And then I met my business partner and he was like, you have a business here. Like you, you have a business here. He was at uni at the time with a head full of dreams. and we were introduced through a mutual friend. And this is how I know that, you know, there is a higher power. There is a source. There is somebody up there because the way things have like conspired and turned out is not coincidental. But he was looking for a project to work with and he found me. Now he's one of the best music lawyers in London. You know, he's got a massive name for himself. But when I first met him, he came to me with this folder, this thick of just ideas, pictures, like it was really this thick.

22:07I'm not joking. And we sat down at this Caribbean restaurant and he was like, this is what you can do. This is what you can do. This is what you can do. This is who you can be. And I was looking at him and I was like, this guy is crazy. Like I'm just shipping out jumpers and making quotes. Like I'm fine. And he was like, no, you need to think bigger. We need to come off Tumblr because my blog was called Kush and Wisdom. Who's going to want to invest in Kush and Wisdom? I lamed it after Wiz Khalifa's Kush and Orange Juice. So I called it Kush and Wisdom because I was taking, you know, weed quotes.

22:35I was also doing weed quotes, weed quotes, hip hop quotes. And then I was mixing it with wisdom quotes, you know, wise quotes. He was like, no one's going to invest in Kush and Wisdom. You need to change the name. So I was like, OK. And at the time, you know, in Watford, there was definitely something in the water because there's so many people that's come from Watford. You had Rest in Peace to him, but you had Marvin from Fresh Ego Kids who invented Fresh Ego Kids. You have Anthony Joshua. You have loads of footballers, you know, we all grew up together. So really? Yeah, we all grew up together.

23:04So there's definitely something in the water because during that time, one of the girls who I was at school with in my early years, me and her became friends again. And she was just on this hustle because, you know, when you're from the West Indies and you live in England, it's like you've got no reason to be poor. You cannot go back to the West Indies and be like, oh, I live in England and I'm broke. Like that doesn't make any sense. Explain that to me more. So being from the West Indies, when the British, the whole Windrush situation, we were told that we'll have a better life, you know, more opportunities.

23:38And I think that's kind of stuck. I think that's kind of stuck. So people in the West Indies believe that when you live in England, you know, you've got it. You've got this better life. You've got it. So in a sense, and I don't want to put word in your mouth, it's sort of saying you can't complain. No. You can't. You're not failing. You're succeeding. No. You can't. No. And when you go to the West Indies, and I don't mean go there for two weeks and stay in a really beautiful hotel. I mean, actually live in the West Indies. You realise that actually me being from London is such an opportunity and a privilege.

24:10I actually cannot, I cannot fail. That's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure, but at the same time, it's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure. But, you know, at the same time, it's life. What can I do? I cannot pass away, transition, go to the ancestors realm, meet my great, great, great grandmother and, you know, talk about how her life was and compare it to mine. Like, yeah, I was in England and I had a blog of 24 million followers, but, you know, I just couldn't. I can't do that. So there is an expectation of you if you live in the West. That must drive you as well, right? 100 % it's how my mother was I speak about this in the book my my mother was born in a board house in Trinidad which is literally a house made out of board and cardboard and wood not cardboard a house made out of board and wood with a galvanized roof just like this just like this this is our roofs I love it because when it rains it's so loud but when you are poor in the West Indies you are poor.

25:16They didn't have a toilet. They had a lathering in the back. They had chickens in the outside garden. That was how my mother was raised. She was raised by her grandmother. There was four of my mother and her siblings. There were still six or seven aunties and uncles living in the house. So my mother was raised poor. She didn't realize she was poor because there was so much love in the house. It's only when she came to England and the currency exchange and she was like, wow, we are really poor. And when my mother came here, she would say to me, all I knew is that I'm going to live in a place that has a bathroom inside the house.

25:52You know, that's all I want is to have a bathroom inside my house. So if I have to get a good education or if I have to marry a rich man, I'm going to have a bathroom inside my house. And my mother always had a very determined mindset. She used to educate herself, self-educate. My house is full of books. I'm still going through my mother's books, you know, and she, she, she put that into me because she was raised by a woman who was raising four, nine children and a bunch of grandchildren by herself. So that's what she saw growing up. She saw strength. I, I love that image of basically sort of saying that, no, you have a bathroom in the house.

26:31You're successful. You're doing well. You're, you're not what I was, what I experienced. Yeah. Simple as. And that's how simple it needs to, you know, it's so true right we take the simplest things for granted so much the fact that we have running water or the fact that we can go to the shops and buy oranges or the fact that we have a bathroom in the house or whatever it is those simple things are actually what makes you kind of successful and we take these things for granted all the time it's crazy it's really hard to be born in England and be raised in the West Indies then you know see how people in England utilize their privilege you know it's it's I find it really hard sometimes to to think to myself but you live in England like look at the resources that we have like all you really need to do is just be consistent and be determined and have some self-belief and you could literally achieve anything in this country I generally believe that I really do and I think you know it's only until you go without you realize how much you actually have and I discovered that Like when I was stranded in Trinidad, after my mother died during COVID, you know, I had to live in Trinidad for a year because the borders were closed.

27:45And I started off in the hood because I stopped talking to certain family members and I was like, I could handle myself. It was hard. I've had to bathe outside. I've had to use the latching. I had to start off in a small house and build my way up. And even going through all of that, all I kept thinking to myself was this is what mum lived with. This is not that deep. I'm alive. There's food outside. It's hot. I've got Internet access. I've got my laptop. I've got my phone. I can get myself out of this because I just thought to myself, I'm not going to stay here. I'm not going to not not not being raised by the woman that I was raised from.

28:21I'm not comfortable and I want a bathroom in my house. So I literally just worked. And, you know, it's it's it's it's interesting because in that period, All I was thinking about was all the things that I was like accustomed to having in England, all of the things. So, yeah, that hindsight is really important. And it's because of that hindsight, I try my best to just appreciate my environment, you know, and my privilege.

28:48You've spoken about your mum a lot. Yeah, my book's like 65 % of my mum. And we're going to get into your book, which is How to Stop Breaking Your Own Heart. but I want to hear the story of I want to hear the story about your mother and because she's such an influence on you clearly and you have so much love for her and can you tell me how she died and how that affected you yeah so my mother was diagnosed with stage four um breast metastasis to a bone. So, um, she got diagnosed in 2020, but she was feeling a lot of pain from 2019. And we were taking so many trips to the NHS, the GP, she had a pain in her jaw and it was just a numbing pain, you know?

29:38And then we later on realized that it was cancer, you know, and the cancer spread from her jaw to her shoulders, to her rib cage and to parts of her skull. So they basically told her that, you know, we're going to try our best to keep you comfortable. And when she, when she heard that at 64 years old, you know, cause in my book, I speak about the fact that my mother had such a turbulent upbringing when she came to the UK, you know, my grandparents were awful. Her siblings were awful. And, um, I watched all of that and it impacted me. Yeah. Extremely abusive. I'm, I'm not ashamed to talk about anything from my past because it happened.

30:15And because I've healed from it, I now have the steps to help others. but my grandfather was abusive in every aspect he just decided to be abusive to each child differently so my mother would get beatings you know on the first day that she landed from Trinidad at 15 she was beaten and she was given a brillo pad to scrub the kitchen floor and then she was told to have a shower and go to bed that's what she's doing every day until she finds a job and he would like verbally abuse her so she had um you know she's a beautiful woman and she had a lot of issues with self-confidence. You didn't think she was beautiful at some stages because the first man in your life who's supposed to install that into you basically removed it.

30:56But at the same time, my mother was the eldest. So she had the responsibilities of being the eldest child and she had to look after all of her siblings. My mother was the only person out of all of her siblings that actually got therapy, that actually got help, that walked away. And I benefited from that therapy. She was also 15 when she came back, came from Trinidad. So she had 15 years of upbringing from Trinidad that stuck with her. So there were certain things that never took her away from her core self. Because she had that strength. Because she had that strength, but her other siblings were much younger, so they couldn't remember much.

31:27And I do sympathize for my family, but only to a degree because the ricochet of their abuse has definitely trickled onto myself, you know, and I understand it now because I think when you've been raised in such an abusive environment, one of the best things you can do for yourself is to research about that environment, why these people are like this, what causes this, what was the source. And I think once I did that, I was able to see, okay, now I see why my aunts treat my mother like this. My mother was the caretaker and she was the scapegoat. So anything that went wrong, they would blame it on my mum, but at the same time, they would expect her to take care of everybody.

32:04So when she turned 60, she was like, I'm not work. I'm not doing this anymore. I'm going to take my life. I'm going to live my life. And it was such a beautiful moment. And then she got diagnosed. Yeah, I wrote about it in my book. It was an amazing moment. It was her birthday. She turned 60 and I was like, no, I've got money. I understand the good quote is good. Everything is fine. So it's like, what do you want to do for your birthday? Do you want me to take you home to Trinidad? Like, what do you want to do? It's 60. She was just like, I don't want to do anything and I was getting frustrated because I was like what do you mean like what do you mean is she you know she came into my room and she was like I don't need a gift we're going to Trinidad for Carnival which is in February my mother was born in January she's like we're already going to Trinidad so she goes I don't need a gift I I'm giving the gift to myself I'm taking my life back you know and we had a long talk about it and she cried and I was so in awe of her because I know everything that she's been for.

33:00I know how much she's tried for her siblings, but to see her take and reclaim her time back, it was so inspiring. And what the saddest part about her passing was the fact that she only really had five years. You know, she passed away at 66. So she has six years. And that stung me the most because it was like, she just started to get her life back you know and we had an amazing six years that was that was during those six years I was doing speaking events we were traveling we were really enjoying ourselves and it was just I was getting a different version of her you know and it was like her inner child was coming out and she was really enjoying life without the limitations that her family has put on her like she was free she was completely free and our relationship went from being mother and daughter to being best friends.

33:51So it was just, and she was my best friend anyway. I never moved out of home. I never had to, you know, I didn't want to, there was no need. My mother wasn't a dictator. She wasn't, she wasn't an issue to live with. I can come and go as I please, as long as I pay the rent, you know, and make sure that I'm still working and doing something with my life. My mum really catered for me at home. So I was, what my friends would say, I was spoiled, you know, and even in that case, I moved out during COVID to a penthouse in Docklands. And the same day I got my keys is the same day my mother was diagnosed with cancer.

34:26So it was just like. What does that do to you? Oh, it was insane. I'm her only child. I don't really have much of a family on her side in this country. I don't know a life without my mum. I don't I'm trying but I don't know what life looks like without her I'm learning what it looks like now and it's taken such a turbulent journey to get here but I don't know I immediately just went into a zone where I think because of the amazing things that's happened in my life since the good quote has happened since the good quote was launched I just I just assumed there was a solution that money could pay for it's like well I'll find somebody to help us and then when we did a lot of research and realized her cancer was not curable like she's going to go especially with all the the delays around COVID as well my mum was just like I want to I want to go home I want to go home like I don't want to do chemo I don't I because chemo really destroyed her eight years prior and she was like I just want to go home and feel the breeze and sit next to a palm tree and just, just, just see the islands one last time.

35:40So I was like, okay, let's go on a trip and then I'll bring you back. And you know, so we left, um, during COVID and what was supposed to be a one month trip turned out to be six months and she ended up being too sick to travel. And then she passed away in St. Lucia and it was hell, Jamie, it was hell. I'm getting emotional. yeah it was so sad yeah it was mad it was it was um i'm not trying to trivialize it i'm so sorry yeah no it's okay what's happened to me i meant to be the strong one here yeah i just that image yeah it was i think when we realized that she was my god

36:24yeah it's because my mom is so important to me yeah she was everything to me she was everything to me and I think um shit my god what's going on it's because it's because you're putting yourself in my position and and honestly I used to my my worst nightmare as the only child was my mother dying yeah as a kid are you only child no no but my mum dying was always yeah like your mum passing away is the scariest thing I'm not going to downplay it it is awful you know but watching her die the the the months that pass it was it was awful but I I took pride in caring for her we had such a beautiful relationship and my therapist always says you know um you're gonna it's gonna take you longer to get over or to pass through this grief because of the impactful relationship you had with your mum but I even signed a form in a hospital to tell them like I don't want any nurses bathing her feed I would do it and I stayed in the hospital of her every day until she passed away.

37:20You know, I would, I would make her have shot. I would give her showers. I would cream her. I would feed her, you know, I would help her exercise. There was just loads of things. I just thought that it was, it was an honor for me because it was reciprocation. You know, when I was born, I couldn't even hold my head up, you know, we're eating food and spitting it out. Like our parents really cared for us, you know, and my mother needed me at that time. So I just stepped up and yeah, it was, it was, I think the whole process of realizing that she's too weak to fly and that she is going to pass away in St Lucia.

37:53And we didn't go to Trinidad because the borders were shut. The borders were shut. So we couldn't, I would have loved for her to be able to go home and transition there, you know, end her life with her family and transition there. That would have been perfect. I'm really worried I'm not going to get my words out because I feel quite emotional, but I hope that I can. You speak so amazingly about her. It's incredible. yeah it is and what what i find so firstly i think that anyone in any situation you just want to try and help someone so you're going to do anything you can yeah you will jump over buildings to help that person so so i i'm fully on board with you you don't know what you're made out of you actually don't and that's what i realized during that entire period you do not know yourself until something crazy happens.

38:42And what I really love about that story as well is you don't give up. No. You don't. You fight. And you fight to save your mum. You try different things. You keep going. You keep going trial and error. And that feels a little bit like your life as well within business. It's trial and error. I'm going to try this and keep going and keep going and keep going. And I think resilience and I think consistency, what you spoke of, and I think persistence is what drives everything forward. And if you give up, you don't know what could have happened. It stops. If you give up, it stops. And that's in life, death, business, relationships, everything.

39:20I don't understand the concept of giving up. You can't. You've got to keep going. And people say, oh, there is good ways of giving up where you look at something and think to yourself, I can't do it anymore. Well, then do something else. Just don't stop. I just don't understand it. The moment your mother passes away, you die. and I people don't really speak about this that much but I can tell you Jamie when your mother passes away because I saw my mum pass away right I was there until the end right when your mother passes away you also feel that you have died too and the minutes after your mother has passed away you are now one day old again and you have to figure out this entire world by yourself and all All you have are memories of what this person who is now laying there has told you throughout your entire life to help guide you.

40:10That's literally the reality of it. It's the hardest, horriblest feeling in the world. You know, the good quote, as we said before, is this amazing platform that has helped so many people where every single few hours you're posting different quotes on it for different people. In that moment, did your own business help you? It did to a degree. It did. And that's because I made posts about what I was going through, you know, and people were sending me so many messages. People were offering to like pay people to fly my mom to Mexico. Like there was. Yeah. Like it was. That community you built. The amount of celebrities that follow the good quote and no names mentioned, but some of them really reached out.

40:54But by the time they did, my mom was going, you know, and there were some quotes where because I didn't blog or anything for that entire period. You know, I didn't do anything. And when I was scrolling through the good quote, I was just like, oh, that's true, actually. OK, let me save that. Oh, that's true, actually. And there were some quotes that I read that I would read in the beginning of the day and it will really stay with me. You know, it will keep me motivated. And I think it's not until I buried my mother and I had to walk away from certain family members did I realise there was one particular quote which I've forgotten.

41:31And I had it as my screensaver for over a year. And that's when I realised when I get back on my feet, I am finding the right people to help me do what I need to do with this platform. Because even when I'm at ground zero, there's still something on this platform that's helping me. It's at a full circle, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

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43:35The Good Quote has, well, 25 million? 24.3, yeah. But we have a second account that has like 4.7. We've got other accounts, but yeah. So you've got... Over 30, yeah. Over 30 million people following your accounts that you have created. Question I have for you. People are sitting here and they're listening to this and they're hearing your journey, hearing all these different things. And perhaps they want to go on social media and grow accounts and build that as well. How do you build an account to become that big? um you have to go through my agency I could um to be honest with you really been struggling of being consistent in everything in my life and I think that's the main rule is just consistency and to is that what the ticket is it's in social with social media it's consistency every single guru or agency owner or social media market so everybody will tell you the same thing that you have to get away from all of the fancy stuff you know hashtags and this kind of nonsense look at what it is they're actually saying.

44:44Consistency. You have to have a consistent flow of content. We post every, we used to post every other hour. We've now testing it maybe 17 times a day. I prefer to post every other hour. You post every other hour. Yeah. But we used to post every hour. When we post every hour, we get a lot more followers, a lot more engagement. It's just tiring. But posting every other hour gives us a bit of a break, you know, and it's not that demanding. So it's 12 times a day. Yeah. But Jamie, when I was doing the good quote back in 2014 on Instagram, there was no scheduling sites. But every hour I would have an alarm and I would post.

45:20Every hour? And because - Not 24 hours a day. 24 hours a day. You were posting 24 hours a day? When I told you I used to go to sleep at 10, sleep for 50 minutes, wake up, post, go to the bathroom, have a drink, go to sleep again for 50 minutes and post. And it drove me mad, but it helped us grow. It helped us grow. Remember, I've got nothing else to do. Megan, hang on. you're growing the good quote. Yes. You are making some money from it. You don't, you are setting your alarm every 50 minutes to wake up and post another quote. Yes. This was before I knew about Upwork, Fiverr, none of the stuff was really around.

45:56What is, what is 24? What is 24 times 365? That's what it would be. You'd be posting every hour on the hour. So you're posting 24 times a day. Yeah. And there was a program called Schedulegram that came around. well I found out about it around 2015 and then I was able to schedule all of my posts and sleep. So you're posting 8 ,760 quotes a year. Yeah, that's normal. That's normal. 8 ,760. Yeah. That is beyond consistent. But I did that for eight years because I have to remember I took three years off. So about seven years I did that for, yeah. Do you think that's what it takes to build an audience now?

46:39100%. Every single meme account, look how many posts they have. They might have 1 million followers or 5 million followers. They probably have about 18 ,000 posts. Okay, I need to dive into this because this is so fascinating. You think to build a social media account now to really carve through, to get through, if you're starting from scratch. What, now? Now. Oh, now it's completely different. I wouldn't even try and build the good quote now. Why? because it's people, the attention and trends are changing. I'm, as an audience, people are more interested in the person behind the brand. The brand now is just quotes.

47:12You know, it's just, like you said, it's like a chair. It's here, it's not going anywhere. But to grow a brand now, for me, from what I've seen, it requires a lot more creativity. The standard picture quote, I don't really think it's going to work. But then why do the likes of Jay Shetty, Stephen Bartlett, that these people, you know, young Pablo, they're just posting these quotes. Yeah. So young Pablo is an author, right? And he will post quotes from his book and he'll have like a long caption and he'll post once a day. And with the slide, he'll have a quote and then the next slide will be the picture of the book.

47:46So that helps him sell books. And that also helps him grow because he's consistent once, one time a day. Got it. Right. He has 2.7 million followers. Sure. Right. Jay Shetty, his strategy, you know, he had an end goal. He wanted to be what it is that he is now, I guess, a life coach, a business owner, etc. So he came with videos. So, but these people, well, Stephen Bartlett, Jay Shetty, they came to you at the very beginning and they didn't have very many followers and you helped them through the good quote, grow their following. Yeah, our agency has worked with hundreds of people. Loads of people that you see that are really famous now.

48:24A lot of them came through us when they were in the very early stages, but they already had their personal brand, their strategy. We just shared their content with our audience. Not to downplay it. Sure, I know you're not downplaying it. Yeah, because my thing was the more audience, the bigger my audience can get, the more people I can introduce to my audience that make a change. When Stephen Bartlett first came to you, how many followers was he on? I think he was on like 100 ,000. he was doing really well when he came to us we were like yeah we were working with his previous business social social chain social chain yeah so we were basically he he had a plan you know and he stuck to his plan I really like Stephen um he he had social chain he wanted to push himself and his personal brand because he had a plan of where he wanted to take himself and he needed to showcase his content to a wider audience so he worked with us he gave us videos of himself speaking He also gave us quotes So we would basically post a video of him in the morning And a quote of him in the evening And that would generate A bunch of followers Jay Shetty did the same What did Jay Shetty come to you What numbers was he on at the beginning I think he was on like 250 He's now got 14 million Yeah 15.5 I could have had 15.5 I've got 144 I could have given you quotes on Made in Chelsea And you could have just posted that They were inspirational but yeah it was really it was um it was a great it was a great time you've helped these incredible individuals who are huge on social media you you've helped grow them from the beginning yeah a lot of people jamie who else mostly writers because through our agency we would work through um we would work through one of the things that i want to do with the good quote personally is i I want to take it into a publishing company.

50:16And, you know, my overall dream is to collaborate with Hay House or Penguin and have like some sort of distribution service where we build writers and then we get them deals and then we get a percentage of the deals. That's what I would love to do. I would love to have my own publishing company overall, especially as a black woman and especially as just growing up in literature. You know, it's amazing. And that's what I know I want to do. but what we would do with people like Gary Vee, we worked with VaynerMedia or Brendan Burchard or Lewis Howes or all of these people is they already had a personal brand.

50:51So they were much easier to work with. They were already making noise. But when an author, for instance, like Najwa Zabian, she came to us with 200 followers, 200 followers, right? What can you do for me? And we're like, yeah, let's work. We got her to 1 million followers and she sold and we helped her sell over 500 ,000 books. Her whole book campaign was based on the good quote. It's really interesting because you're creating a community of words. And so it's the perfect combination. That's what people are expecting. You know, I admire Hello Sunshine, which is Reese Witherspoon's production company.

51:24And Hello Sunshine started because it was a book club. She had a book club of three million people. And she would find books, put them into the book club and say, do you like this book? And they'd say, yeah, I would love it. She'd buy the rights, make it into a TV show. Yeah. Great. What you're doing is exactly the same. you're having this community of people who love words, who live by your words. And so then you're creating books around these, this community, which is love products. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. What I find amazing, what I think is really interesting is that people see something like the good quote, and they just see it as this Instagram page.

51:53But behind it is this fully fledged business that is building other people up that is creating book sales for people. I imagine you probably can't tell me the turnover of the business. No, I can't. And to be honest with you, as I said, when we first started speaking, I've run this business as a creative. I haven't run it as a business. Yeah, but business is paid in two currencies, cash and experience. Take the experience first, cash come later. I love that. That's fucking sick. I've never heard of that before, but I'm definitely taking the experience side. Well, I think you could probably put that on your good quotes.

52:29Yeah, no, for real. Can you guys send me that? No, because I've been trying to find a way to put it into words, And that's dope because the experiences that I had. Holy shit. Right. Let's get his quote made. It's true though. That is so affirming, Jamie. It's true. Right. And I have, I have a few things in my life, right. That have really driven me to certain places. And anyone who's listening now, these are some simple rules that I think people should follow. In business, in life, whatever it is. One is Know your destination Right So I When I first started doing Made in Chelsea I Knew I had to be signed By a good agent Yeah Because otherwise I was just a reality star So I went to an agency Called James Grant Okay James Grant looked after Holly Willoughby Anton Deck All these huge people I went and met the owner Guy called Paul Sat on his roof And I said Hey can you sign me And he said No I can't sign you You're a reality star He said But I'd give you one piece of advice I was 21 He said Know your destination If you're heading back to Leeds University, where I was at the time, don't veer off to Manchester.

53:38Always go to Leeds. Otherwise you'll get lost. So I went, great. So what do you want to do? I said, well, I want to be a presenter. I want to be an entertainer. Follow that. Never forget that. So I've done that. I've done that in suites. Gourmet suites. Always make gourmet suites. Presenting, always go there. So you don't get distracted. You always pick the right things. And then in business, I always believed. I don't know where I was told it, but people who go into business or chase cash always fail because you're going after the wrong thing. I truly believe that business is paid in two currencies, cash and experience.

54:12Take the experience first, the cash will come later. Don't focus on the money because you will fail. 100%. And business is hard. It's stressful. You have to fucking love it. And if you don't love it, you're not going to be persistent. You're not going to be consistent. You're not going to keep going. And that's exactly what you're telling me. And, you know, that's why we're so connected on that, because you woke up every single day, you were posting 8 ,700 and something posts per year. That is consistent, persistent, and you just loved it. Yeah. Loved everything about it. And, you know, the other one that I relish all the time is a Denzel Washington quote.

54:52And he said it about other things, but he said, ease is a greater threat to progress than hardship. when things are easy you never progress they have to be hard and if they're hard that means you're doing something right you got it yeah it's amazing two amazing quotes well here we go how would you like me to tag you all over the place but yeah i really megan i i really admire what you've built thank you massively and i i think it's incredible and not only you're doing a combination of amazing things you're helping people, you're loving what you're doing and you're creating a business out of it.

55:33You're a triple threat. I think over the last three to four years, I definitely took my eyes off it. And I think that that really jeopardized where the business is. But the way I look at it, a lot of my mentors are like 60, 65. Great, follow them. Yeah. And every time, 100%, you know, my therapist used to play Premier League for Chelsea back in the day and he has so many stories. And one time I remember telling him, you know, I just feel like a failure. And I just feel like I just, I've wasted my life. I'm 35. And it's like, you're a baby. It's like, I'm going to be 64 in the next month. You are a baby.

56:08You can literally try again now. And by the time you're 64, whatever it is that you were worried about for the past couple of years, it won't even matter. You are a baby until you get to 45, you are a baby. And ever since he told me that, I've just realized, do you know what? if I fail, I fail as long as I don't stop. And so that's really what's been driving me moving forward. It's just knowing that there's always time. You know, I wrote a quote the other day where it said, there's, there's, there's always going to be enough earth to rebuild your foundation, you know? So I would love to be able to sit down with you in the next two or three years and be like, we've scaled here.

56:48I've got a general manager. I've got this, I've got that, I've got stuff because I've been sabotaging and destroying my own destiny due to bad habits. You know, so I love that quote. I love that quote that you said about there's two currencies in business because the experiences, Jamie, the amount of people that I have met, the amount of things that have been given. Still that. You don't know what one quote does to somebody and how they want to reciprocate that. So when people find out that I'm the good quote, the amount of times I've said it outside and someone might say, oh, you own the good quote.

57:24Let me buy you dinner. Let me do it. It's incredible. If I don't ever make any money again, which would be awful. I know that I've impacted enough people that people will always help me. And I think, you know, I'm now in a better state of mind. You know, I've done two, two and a half years of intense therapy. I've really dealt with the grief of my mother. I'm now understanding what it's like to navigate without her. I've got expectations for myself again, Jamie. I haven't had that for like three years. I didn't care.

57:55Can I ask you then? I just want to ask you three things quickly, which is one, because you were so close to your mother and she's passed. And I think this is more advice for me. Is there anything that you wish you had done more when your mum was alive? No, I have no regrets. It's amazing. No regrets. We had the best relationship. Best relationship. She was my best friend. I could tell her anything. my mother raised me and the Scorpios in this room will understand in order to raise a evolved and successful Scorpio you almost need to let go of them at a very young age and let them discover discover the world by themselves because anything you tell them not to do they're going to do my mum didn't let go of me she tried to cling on my mum realised that there's no control in me you know and I don't say that lightly because I'm learning as an adult I actually need to have a sense of control but if I wanted to play the piano I would tell my mum um a couple of days later there's a piano in my house you know if I wanted to play the guitar which I lost the guitar actually I left it on the bus but um my mum bought me the guitar another question if if you and I think you've already said I just want to to sync it so people listening can go okay fine if someone is out there listening now and they want to grow a social media page whether they're influencer or a brand what advice would you give them study as much as you can you have to actually need to commit to that that means that you have to take rain checks you have to say no to meeting up with friends you actually need to study and do your 10 000 hours and become obsessed with what it is that you're doing you need to follow the right people and consistently listen to what it is that they're telling you you need to try and try and try and try until you come up with something that works because you have to understand when you want to become a content curator, you are becoming part of somebody's routine.

59:46You know, every morning somebody's going to tap into your podcast or this channel or that channel, you are becoming part of somebody's routine. That is a huge responsibility that you cannot take lightly. And once you realize that everything apart from everything outside of that becomes easier. You are here to serve, whether it's comedy, whether it's motivation. So that's the first thing, just study, make sure that you have your 10 ,000 hours. Secondly, just remain, maintain originality and authenticity. I gravitate more towards content where somebody is putting on makeup in the bathroom or someone's driving and they're saying something motivational and they might cast a driver next to them and go back to saying something motivational again.

1:00:24I like authenticity. I don't like setups and stuff, you know, so be as authentic as you can. Stop overthinking that you're not going to be perfect, you know stop overthinking i'm saying this because this is all the things that i wish that i did i mean in regards to the studying in 10 000 hours i did that i'm obsessed with research but in regards to the actual qualities that it takes be visible block all your friends and family so you don't have anybody saying oh i saw you forget them focused tunnel tunnel tunnel vision yourself into a routine and don't stop and network. I wouldn't have gotten anywhere if I didn't network and collaborate and have fun.

1:01:09Why should someone listening now go and buy your book, How to Stop Breaking Your Own Heart? Because it's based on personal experiences that's taken a lot of years to obtain the wisdom that I've been, that I've put in this book. It is a book that teaches you how to overcome bad habits, like self-sabotage, perfectionism, boundaries. Boundaries is a huge thing that I had to learn. And I genuinely believe there's a message in there for everybody and you will take something away from it and it will allow you to look. I think it gives more awareness. Through my stories, you will be able to resonate with something in your own.

1:01:48And through that, you'll be able to see the wisdom and be like, okay, let me try and implement that. but overall for those who are in a space where they don't feel like they can overcome this book will tell you that you can because there's so many things in there that I've had to deal with face to face on and if I didn't overcome them I wouldn't be here right now so it's really for those you know I have a slogan around the book um and it's really for the black sheeps you know It's really for those who are returning home to themselves. It's really for those who are tired, sick and tired of their current existence and really want to try again.

1:02:28And in order to try again, we have to start with ourselves and returning home, unbreaking your own heart, piecing your heart back together again. Once you do that, once you learn all the things that you do to contribute to your heartbreak and you overcome that, life is completely different. it's come it's jamie you don't even understand it's completely different and we all have the ability to tap into that reality if we just do the hard work and this book basically is an example of all the hard work that i've had to do to get to this point i think people are going to go about after that especially it's unbelievable megan we like to end the podcast with eight questions what's a saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up um I think this is going to sound so random but there's a saying in Trinidad um what trouble is this and you say what trouble is this and it's usually when something mad has happened or someone's done something crazy but it always makes my ear perp because I know there's going to be some sort of drama happening so I love hearing that makes me feel like I just need to go back home and it's something my mother used to say a lot best compliment anyone's ever given you um that i have a good aura yeah yeah that my aura makes them feel safe what scares you most about yourself the depression and what that brings and how sporadic it can be um so that comes out in self-sabotage and procrastination and I don't like that about myself so I'm really trying to like overcome that when was the last time you cried and why cried like three days ago I cried like three days ago um I can't even remember now but it's okay yeah I cry for everything because I held so many things in throughout my whole life and I realized that just letting out that five minute cry it actually helps it's like it resets the whole body and now I can think straight again what's something you can't let go of um my teddy bear oh god this is so sad no it's not what's your teddy bear called blue and he's blue it's not it's not it's not creative you know but blue's been everywhere with me if blue had a passport he would have more stamps in it than the average person blue is a g like he is my confidant he's someone that I've I've got so many pictures of him when I was little and now he just rests in the corner of my room.

1:05:01And anytime I go on holiday, he's in my suitcase. I love that. Yeah. What would be, what would you be embarrassed for people to know you like?

1:05:11Oh, that's a good one. EastEnders. Love that. Yeah, EastEnders. I love it. I need to keep up with what Phil Mitchell is doing. I need to know what he's up to. What turns you off? I really don't like horrible people. I don't like people who are not kind. Gosh, I hate, I hate is such a strong word, but I really dislike the lack of emotional intelligence. Yeah. And I really dislike people who dim other people's lights. Love that. What turns you on? Hmm. It sounds really strange, but discipline and abstinence. If I know that somebody can abstain from something that they love because they're preparing for something better.

1:05:58That to me is just like, whew, let's have babies, you know? I love that. Yeah. What do you like most about yourself? My ability to overcome and to always see the silver lining and everything. Yeah. And a bonus one. Maybe it might be tricky. What is one quote from the good quote that really stands out for you always? I hate that question. I'm so sorry. I actually don't have one. You don't have one. I don't have one. I could tell you one quote that stands out from my book. Yeah. Yeah. When you decide to reclaim your time, the people who've had full access to you will feel like you're stealing from them.

1:06:42Yeah. That's my favorite quote. When you decide to reclaim your time, the people who've had access to you will feel like you're stealing from them. I learned that through setting boundaries. You know, I would say, no, I'm not doing this. And be like, why? Why not? and it's like it's my time you know and so yeah that's what that's that's my favorite quote out of the entire book this has been amazing Megan thank you so much for coming on great company I've loved every second of it and uh I would Jemima wrote in there I should try and mention cool story bro but I don't know how I'm gonna do it yeah thank you thank you so much that has been amazing thank you so much thank you so i cried you cried i cried did you cry as well yeah yeah you were just your eyes were just too foggy with tears like a tandem by a tandem of tears yeah when you cry i cry when you cry i cry do you cry when you see other people cry uh yeah i get emotional when other people get emotional i think that maybe empathy empathic yeah maybe style we have how did you find that uh wonderful heavy yeah um interesting amazing person you know she's been through a lot yeah and it's incredible what her business has done and just that's amazing stuff about stephen bartlett and jay shetty i knew i heard that inkling about it but that's incredible yeah yeah and also she's so about it she's like oh yeah yeah yeah and you're like that that is huge yeah but it becomes blasé when you've done it right that's the amazing thing that if she was to step back and have a look at, you know, how many millions and millions of followers she has and she's built over time, you would go, holy smokes, that's pretty amazing.

1:08:22But once you're in it, holy smokes. People don't say that enough. No. That could be your quote. Hey, you got a quote. I got a quote. Woo hoo. Let's see if it gets on the good quote. Business is paid in two currencies, cash and experience. Take the experience first, the cash will come later. That's lovely. Did you do another one as well? Yeah, there's another one which is, ease is a greater threat to progress than hardship. But that's not you. That's not me. Both of those I don't know I don't know if the first one's me I don't think it is Well I think it's someone called Howard Oh Howard I don't know Anyway really hope you enjoyed the episode Jemima I hope you enjoy editing it I will And if you haven't followed us already That would be amazing If you could click the subscribe button Share this wherever you can To your friends, to your neighbours And also we're on social media At Great Company Podcast Lovely stuff Alright we'll see you next week for another episode of great company.

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