MO GILLIGAN: WHY WE FEEL SO LOST IN OUR 20s

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2:24Well hello Jemima. Well hello Jamie. I like a red scarf. Thank you. Oh, it's not Taylor Swift's. Is that a thing? What? I'm pretty sure there's like a thing about a red scarf. Didn't she have it on and then Jake Gyllenhaal was wearing it and then she wrote a song about it. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not even a Taylor Swift fan, and even I know that. Okay, so Taylor Swift had a red scarf, and then Jake Gyllenhaal was wearing it. Yeah, because she left it at his house. Got it. And then he wore it. Wow, drama. Drama. Is this a while ago? Yeah. Have you ever had anything that you've left at an ex's house, and you've been like, damn it, I really want that back?

3:00No, but when I first started dating Sophie, my now wife, there was my ex-girlfriend's clothes in my drawer, and she saw them. And she was like, what is this? And I was like, I don't know, it's my ex-girlfriend. Oh God, that's very bad. That was a bit funky. But apart from that, no, I haven't. You excited about our guest today? Wow. Okay, firstly, hello everyone. Welcome back to Great Company Podcast. I'm your host, Jamie, and this is... Producers Reminders, PJ for short. She likes being called PJ. And you are our owls, our wonderful listeners. Our wonderful listeners. Welcome back to the show.

3:29Hey guys, I just want to say a big thank you for everyone who's enjoyed the show and the podcast so far. We get so many comments and it's incredible and we love it. And we love the fact that you guys are enjoying all of this. So thank you. I hope it is entertaining as well as thoughtful, provoking, as well as moving, as well as informational, all those kind of things. And today's episode is going to be a great one because we have a very, very, very funny man on the podcast. Mo Gilligan. Mo Gilligan. Mo Gilligan is a comedian. He's a host. Mo is huge on social media and done loads of incredible things.

3:59And he kind of blew up on social media and then now sells tours out around the world. He's ginormous. He's hosted the Brits two times. He also hosted a show on Channel 4 with Big Nasty. Anyway, he's done lots of amazing things. I've been trying to get him on the podcast for a while. He's finally said yes, which is amazing. Yeah, and he's fitting us in amongst his world tour. His world tour. So we have Mo coming on. I'm going to ask some big questions. I'm going to ask some deep questions. I'm going to have a laugh with him. You always do. Yeah, but definitely have a laugh because he's a funny man.

4:31Okay, whoa, I'll have a freaking laugh. Don't you worry about that. Yeah, don't be boring, Jamie. I won't be boring, Jane. I do tell you this, though. Right, guys, at the moment, if you don't know, I'm basically in training for running five ultramarathons in five days, and I'm doing it for mental health charities. I truly believe one foot in front of the other when you keep going is the most important thing, so I'm doing it. So I've been running half marathons, and I'm tired, Jemima. You're a tired bunny. Well, I did Pilates yesterday. And you're tired? Yeah, my legs really hurt. Okay, well, on that note, ladies and gentlemen.

4:59On that note, guys. Get ready for this episode. Now, if you want to get in touch, you can at Great Company Podcast. You can slide into our DMs, also on TikTok and YouTube. And you also can send us an email. Greatcompany at jampopproductions.co.uk. And remember to subscribe to the show. Were you burping at the same time saying that? I was hiccuping and then it came out. Are you ready for this? I'm really excited. Let's get to it. Please welcome to the podcast, Mo Gilligan. Hey, what's up? My name is Mo Gilligan. And I am with Great Company. I am Great Company. I am Company's house. No, I'm not.

5:33I'm not. I can't do no one's taxes, but I'm with great company. How about that? How good of football were you? I was all right. You wanted to be a pro, didn't you? I did, bruv. Badly. Badly. Oh, my God, man. I had a big realisation of when I was like 13, 14, I was like, I would have been signed by now. Do you know what I mean? Well, you had that in your mind? Yeah, because I think growing up, like you we grew up on an estate with like kids who were at like crystal palace and they were younger than you and you were like bruh i'm 14 these kids are like six yeah i gotta take the meat out the freezer before my mom comes in like that is what i'm battling with so like i just i always knew like to make it at that stage it happens when you're like eight years old but Wow.

6:25And also, I think at the time, you know, like, we were, like, there weren't scouts coming to us. I think that would be, if we had scouts coming to our games, you'd be like, yeah. But there weren't. And sometimes we think it might be a scout. It's just a man with a dog. It'd be like a white man with a dog in Dulwich Park. And you're like, oh, he might be a scout for Man United. And then you see him get a plastic bag out to pick up the dog shit. You're like, nah, it's not him, bro. back to South London we go mama made it oh bro you playing your best he's a scout bro he's a scout there's a random white man in the park watching us play football play good play good but he weren't a scout man I have so many questions because I feel like it's so interesting my thing is like getting into the psyche right because you grew up in in an estate right which um you know imagine probably had hardships and stuff like that in some ways a little bit a little bit like every like don't get me wrong like i think the beautiful thing about when you grow up in an estate is that everyone's there for each other we don't have a lot but you don't know that you don't have a lot do you know what i mean this is everyone looks out for each other people's parents you know if you're climbing on the garages someone will say all right get down from the garages but they're just looking out for your safety that's all it is everyone comes together you knock on someone's door hey can i borrow a cup of sugar and that just felt so normal it didn't it you know someone borrowing a cup of sugar wasn't because they don't you know really you know you get old and you're like right they don't have enough money to have you know they don't have enough sugar for example yeah um but it just felt like everyone was there for each other do you know what i mean like when there's a group of boys that sitting on the stairs spitting there'll be an eight-year-old lady to be like oh stop spitting on the stairs go around your own fucking area and spit on the stairs because everyone cares for each other and i think that's beautiful yeah and i think when you grow up in that environment you know that's why later on in life it just make makes sense for me to help other people because we didn't have a lot but you don't know that you don't have a lot do you know what i mean yeah so when do you realize that potentially you don't have a lot when is that moment where you suddenly look around and go hang on a second that person's got this or that person's got i think you know don't get wrong in the household you know like when you go in the fridge and you're like right boy the same the same Branson pickles sorry but like you you know like you don't have a lot in a sense of like we don't like going on holidays I remember coming back from six weeks holiday and I went to like a primary school where you'd have kids that were their parents were quite well off but you didn't know it's only till you grow up and you're like oh right you know you'd be like oh you know like so what did everyone do in a holiday me and my friends we just play out around on the estate for six weeks.

9:13What do you do? He's like, well, you know, Papa took us to the south of France. You're like, Papa, is that the brother from Pinocchio? Who is that?

9:24And you know, you go to their house. You know, I remember going to some of my friends' houses and like you go to their house and it's like, it'd be interesting because when I say this in my book, I go to their houses and it was a different way of life in a sense of we, I grew up in an estate and, you know, a lot of these kids would have all the toys. They'd have Meccano and all the Lego sets. And I was like, wow, and I just want to play with all the Legos. And he was like, come on, Mo, come outside in the garden. We're going to catch worms. I said, fuck worms, bro. I'm trying to play with this new Star Wars Lego set, bro.

9:58But it was the difference of, like, a lot of those kids who were quite wealthy, they didn't have that community of friends. You know, I was able to just go outside my house, knock on someone's door and be like, is Adam coming out? Yes, he's coming out. We play and we wouldn't know what to do, me and Adam, but we climb on the garages. We climb on a tree. Cool. Let's knock on Michael's door. Let's knock on Darren's door and Jade. And we knock on everyone's door. We're going out. We didn't know what to do, but we just had that community of each other. But then realizing when I would go to some of my school friends' house and they would have everything, all the toys, every, you know, they have Sky with unlimited channels.

10:39And I want to be like bro i want to watch the sky i i ain't seen some of these channels bro like like you've got all the channels and they're like no but we're going to catch grasshoppers fuck the grasshoppers luke let's go outside bro like do you know what i mean and i think that was the realization of at a young age of seeing people that you know they effectively have almost everything but then also they don't in a sense of they didn't have any friends so when i would come around they want to do everything they want to catch the grasshoppers and the worms and i'd come from a different environment where i didn't have the star wars and the sky unlimited channels but i did have that connection and community of of friends and i think that's going back to your question of where you you don't you realize you don't have a lot when you know you you open the fridge and there ain't much food there but then you realize you do have a lot is when your friend knocks the door and says to your mom oh can come out we want to play and that i don't know like that's all always stuck with me do you know what i mean well you've nailed it there so shock um i was probably the other kid wanting to go and play worms and i'm not kidding i don't say true i'm not even kidding you man i had a friend called tom right yeah who i actually saw recently um when i was at glass and read i hadn't seen him since i was like six years old and we just recognized each other straight away and i was like oh my god man when he he you know my parents had to have some money and Tom would come to my house and I had a swimming pool and a tennis court and I thought everyone had that.

12:11I thought everyone had it, right? Because I was six. Tom, get your Wilson gear. We're going to play tennis, my man. But dude, it was like we were secluded, right? There was no knocking on doors or anything like that. We were just in a place and when I went to Tom's house, we would go and knock on everyone's door and we'd go and play like street hockey in like the street and you go to other people's houses and it was it was so like that yeah man yeah yeah yeah and I always used to be I swear to God I used to be so jealous of that because my brother was at a different school my sisters were off somewhere yeah of course so you were by yourself and I was like I just want to go and hang out in that sort of community and when and Tom when he used to come to my house he didn't actually want to come to my we had a swimming pool and all these different things but he was like no I just want to be playing with my friends here I don't care about all of that I can't lie but I would have been in that swimming pool boy I don't know about you Tom I'd be like, hey, bro, let's do some laps, bro.

13:05Dude, everybody who came to that sweet pool used to shit in the pool. And my mum, I say mum, it was my nanny, fishing out, fishing out with a fishing rod. The kids don't know when they're coming back. Look at this guy, fucking swimming pool. I'm fucking shitting in the pool, bro. Fucking swimming pool, bro. I'm shitting in the pool, bro. Did you have a Jamaican nanny? Yo, man, stop shitting in the nanny pool. Everybody stop shitting in the nanny pool. Yo, man. No, don't invite these young boys again Because they always want shit in the pool

13:41Were you, do you think you Did you have an imagination as a kid? Because you're super creative, right? And I know you've got dyslexia Yeah Like me, and that also When you, I think minds are different You sort of, you live in your own world And you create adventures Were you like that? Yeah, I've got my, to this day You know, that's how I kind of create A lot of my comedy, essentially because I, you know, there is a reality of what I have but then there's the heightened reality of how I need to portray it for, you know, stand up, for example, to create a piece of material. Yeah, so I think my, and also because I was dyslexic, I think in school I used to just like talking to all the other kids.

14:20So, you know, my teacher would be like, oh, you know, you can sit on this table and I had this lovely teacher that would always sit me on a table with a lot of the really intelligent kids and, you know, I think she'd done it in a way to be like, oh, you know, some of these intelligent kids will help you. And I just used to love talking to them and making them laugh. And it was interesting because they were laughing, but it was getting their work done. And I was like, yeah. And then the teacher said, OK, everyone, OK, can go. No, no, you need to stay behind and you need to copy the work on the board.

14:52And I'm like, rah, like, and it was interesting. And that was almost like my first kind of like it was it was stand up, but it wasn't. I was making all these intelligent kids laugh. But I think because I was like, you know, telling stories or telling jokes and my imagination, and I used to use it as a way to deflect of like, I knew I was struggling with the work, but I would, you know, tell all these smart kids or all the, you know, funny stories and do accents as a kid. That lets my imagination run wild. And it was a way of just deflecting of the work that I wasn't able to do because I was struggling.

15:28Do you know what I mean? Oh man, I totally get that. Because as kids, all we want is like validation, right? Yeah, yeah. All the time. Yeah, yeah. And if you're not getting, and it's so weird. Like I think life has changed a little bit. I hope it has. But it was all about work. Like if you were at school, if you weren't good at work, like especially in like lots of schools and like sport also, if you didn't have access to sport, it's just about work. And if you're not good at that, you're an outcast. Yeah. That's where you are. So you have to find a way to fit in. Yeah. And comedy, man. Like I was kind of the same.

15:57I remember making kids laugh. It like did something to my body. Like it was like, man, it made me feel so great. When you'd make friends laugh at all the years, laugh or whatever. It was amazing. I think there is this one thing I was like with kids, what they do, where when kids realize they're funny. And it's nice when I see like my nephews do it and stuff, when they realize they're being funny and they know. And there's always that fine line that kids have where they're like, yeah, I'm being funny. And then being funny goes into showing off. And then it's almost like I always say, you know, like when you see a kid that's in that place of showing off, that's where you want to be like, ah, like he or she has got something.

16:42You know what I mean? Whether it's like they want to do acting or comedy or. And yeah, you know, I believe you have to let kids imagination like run wild because they're not going to have that forever. Do you know what I mean? they're going to get to a point where you've got to pay bills and council tax and life gets real. And, you know, when you're like, you're leaving to go out and you're like, oh, it's raining, but I've got to do this and you've got to do that. And I believe that, you know, let them hang on to their daydreaming and their imaginary world as long as possible to kind of hone in on bringing their real side out.

17:18Man, 100%. What happens as we get older is we get these responsibilities and like life becomes life and it's fucking hard starts laughing it starts laughing it's not as like fun it's like hanging out with tom going and shitting in the pool like that was fun and it's until you get a bit older where i i remember where i got to that place where i was at 16 the guy and i'm from i think from 16 to like 19 where that period goes by so quick where you're kind of like you know you go from being in school as a 16 year old and you're mothered and in your head you're like i'm an adult but i can buy a lottery ticket no one can talk to me do you know what i mean is that your thing yeah that was your drive-thru i said 16 you can't i can buy a lottery ticket i could i could win the lottery and i could buy i could like in my head i was i could buy my mom out i could i could i could be a millionaire and say mom listen i'm gone you know like but like i'd even i remember being like 21 i'm not like no no probably 19 and saying to myself I'm going to move out 21 yeah 21 I'm going to move out and then 25 I get married have kids yeah and then you get to 25 and you're like what was I thinking bruv like you and you do you get to that age where you're like 25 and you're eating like you're eating pop noodle and like in your bed with like dirty cups and plates under your bed you know what I mean like like waking up at like one in the afternoon um but life does start life in at that age of like 16 to 19 you have a level of responsibility so yeah and you know the age i'm at now i feel like i have to owe it to like my younger self to still daydream of totally never lose that and being silly and sometimes the most serious situations and just and just not like being silly like but still realizing like there is you know i love that film inside out and there is that like playfulness that we all have and that the imagination that we we still can create and be a little bit silly but yeah i don't think as as adults we have to we have to lose that no we don't i mean it's so funny you triggered something in my mind which is when i remember when i was young and talking about that showing off thing i remember i was playing football with like a bunch of like older kids and like a group of like the other kids came on and I went, it's Blazing Squad.

19:37And everyone laughed. Everyone laughed and I was like, I've got this. The next time I was with them, the kids go, it's Blazing Squad. No one laughed. I was like, fuck. No, like you said the last time. And I was like, oh, so it's not as funny if you repeat it the second time. And still to this day, it like kills me inside. It makes you cringe inside a little bit, isn't it? Ah, fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, it's crazy. I love that when life starts lifing. It's such a good way to put it. Like, life does become a bit hard. And I suppose so many people listen to this, right, who are very fans of yours or probably young.

20:19And you said it before, maybe struggling. There are times when you struggle, right? Yeah, and I think it's important to... Look, man. Have you struggled? Yeah, of course. you know, where, you know, I'm in the position that I'm in now, you know, and I think I've kind of like, it's hard because I think before the success, you know, you're struggling because you might not be where you want to be in your career or your life path. And that was at a time when I was probably like later twenties. And I always say 28, that period is a wild time in your life. And, you know, there's some people that, you know, like people who are into astrology and there's this whole like Saturn returns and all this stuff.

21:03I don't know what it is. There's something in the water, but it was the weirdest time in my life because I think it's the time where, you know, you spend your, your twenties at the beginning of your twenties, like, Whoa, I can, I'm an adult, but I'm not, but I can do all these things and I have this freedom and And I can have a part-time job and you are, we can kind of sit in that comfortable space. But then there is a part of our, ourself that goes back to that 15, 16 year old and says, ah, but you wanted to do this. You know, you wanted to have a wife and kids at 25 or you wanted this in your career.

21:38And as you get to that point of like, I'm about to be 30, it's like the clock is almost counting down and, you know, it's very easy to look left and right of like, wow, you're, doing that 23 and you're really successful or you know you're you're doing that 27 and I'm 28 and I haven't I haven't hit my pinnacle my peak yet and that was probably myself when I was like 28 where I started Commonwealth 19 and I'm going around the country doing all these shows and I knew I always knew I was good I was I'm good at this thing but it's not paying off I'd go to a lot of these uh you know production companies and they'd say oh yeah we we love you man you're great uh Yeah.

22:20And I asked my manager, I was like, oh, did he want to do this pilot thing? Or did he want to do this? And be like, yeah, they really loved you. Just don't really know what to do with you. Like everyone loves you, but they don't know what to do. I was like, oh, am I going to get, and it's not like a big break, but you are like close to giving up because you've not seen anything come to fruition a little bit. Do you know what I mean? So I think that was the hardest period. And then when everything happened, it's like, you know, when I say whenever it happened, but like putting out the videos on social media and then doing a tour and everything else.

22:54It's like you get, you ask the genie for all the free wishes and you get it. But then you realize you're like, uh, okay. I don't know if this is all I want. And I think that was the biggest struggle because now, you know, I get to a place where I'm like, this is all I ever wanted. Getting my first big check. Yeah. I lost myself in a way that I wasn't there. I wasn't there, but I just think mentally, like I struggled in a sense of, wow, this is all I've ever wanted. I've got the big check, but I'm not in the happiest place of my life right now. And I think it's that pressure that I'd put on myself before to be like, I need to do it.

23:31I need to do it. And then it gets done. And then you get a bit, I got my big check or, you know, could be for some people there, the job they've always wanted or the car. And then you realize this isn't really what I wanted. And I was massively depressed, man. Massive, massively depressed. And I think it's that pressure we put on ourselves as people, especially in that period of our 20s where we put all our eggs in the basket. And then when you put those eggs in the basket, you get to the later part and all the chickens have hatched. And you're like, hold on, wait, I didn't need this many. You've got one running over there.

24:05You've got one shitting over there. This chicken's going across the road and be like, wait. And you're like, okay, nah, I can't physically, mentally deal with this. I know I wanted to put all my eggs in one basket, but now they've hatched and I don't really know what to do when in actual fact, it was just like, I just need to put one egg in the basket and just raise the chicken as well as I could. And I think that's what I realized once I got 30 where I was like ah ah let me breathe like you know this is this is it you know let me take my time with this opportunity let me maybe say no to this thing because I've seen I don't need to to rush the process and you know for any any young people listening I always say like enjoy your 20s man you know it's the period where you can experiment and see if it's right for you if it's not what you want to do what you don't want to do not that you can't do it in your 30s but But yeah, you're able to have that fun, but don't give yourself the pressure that society puts on you.

25:06Do you know what I mean? Mo, thank you for sharing, man. Honestly, everything you're saying, we're similar age, exactly what I felt. It's like, be careful what you wish for. Yeah, yeah, of course, man. And it's a crazy thing. And I reckon 28, 29, 30 was real tough. And something is in the water. I don't know what happens there. And I think, like you said, I think it takes 10 years to build something. So you start comedy when you're 19 and then 10 years later, you're then starting to see some success. And then everything comes at once. And it's almost like life says, here you go, but also here you go.

25:43And you get hit with that anxiety or that you feel depressed or you feel low. And I remember for me, again, I've said this before, but I remember I was just, I hit this weird time in my life. And I just, I never spoke about anything. to anyone ever. And I phoned up my buddy and I said to him, and I remember I was like, right, I've got to tell someone that I'm feeling this inside because I don't know what's going on. And I phoned him up and he said, hey, he calls me Jampo. He's like, hey, Jampo, how you doing? And I was like, hey, man. And I broke down, boom, straight away. And he was like, oh my God, you okay?

26:17And I was like, I couldn't get my words out. I couldn't get my words. And he was like, I think he thought I was dying. And he was like, what's happening? Where are you? What's happening? And I went, Matt, I just want to say that I'm really struggling. And he went, don't worry, we'll go through it together. Yeah. And it was like this most insane thing from like one of your best friends and I had never shared anything. Yeah. And we then sat, we chatted and he said, I feel the same way. And I went, do you ever feel lonely? And he went, I feel lonely. Yeah. Like, why are we not back when we were like 21?

26:45Just like playing PlayStation. Carefree. Carefree. And like, we've got all this stuff that's going on now. It's really exciting, but I feel lonely and sad. And that's crazy. Did you ever talk to anyone about it? I think that's when I started going to therapy towards, towards, towards a later part of my twenties. Same, 27, 28, same as me. Do you know what I realized though? In my early twenties, I didn't cry. I didn't cry, bro. Like I didn't really like, like let it out. Do you know what I mean? I don't know if there's any other guys, you know, that listened to this, but yeah, in that, that period of my twenties, I put up such a guard of trying to like, you know, like, okay, cool.

27:21You know, everyone's wearing those jeans. I'm going to wear those jeans. Everyone wearing those trainers. I'm going to save up for this thing. Like I can't afford it, but I need it. And I put up such a guard of myself that I didn't really let my real self come out. I was always trapping my real self. Like, no, no, no, stay in the box. Do you know what I mean? Like we all got to go to this club and we got to say this. And, you know, there might be the slang word that everyone's using. And you don't even know what this slang word is. You don't want to ask a question and say, sorry, what does that actually mean?

27:53you can't you don't want to go on and you don't want to be an old man now I'll google it bro I'll be like I didn't know what cap meant I said I can hear you that's cap bro a cap what what is it are you are you bottling it let me google this now man oh he's lying I didn't know this man like but when you're young so insecure you just say the word you just yeah yeah yeah bro yeah yeah yeah man riz yeah I'll go I'll go with a riz I got a riz. Oh, great. You smell? I've got tobacco. Huh? What riz are you talking about? Like, I didn't know what riz meant. I had to Google it, but I don't mind doing that now.

28:35But I'm lucky enough that if I was in my 20s and I did, I would just go along with whatever the phrase is. What's the word? And, you know, because you do, you box yourself in and I didn't cry. And it was only until like my later part of my twenties where I cried and I like, you know, when I got sad and I got depressed, it all came out, you know? And, you know, like I think therapy for me was amazing in a sense of, in my head, I was like, therapy, I'm going to, it's going to be like film. And I go in one of those chairs and I can throw a ball up and they say, so tell me how you're feeling, Mo. How, how are you and yourself?

29:11And I'm like, I don't know how I'm finding myself. Like my friends, like my mom. I thought that's what it was like until I got there and I'm ready to spill the beans. And it's just like, you know, you sit there and you're like, okay, cool. And I'm ready to tell everything. And if you've ever been to therapy, you know, when you tell everything and they go, okay, and that's time. What? Bro, put some more money on the clock. I've got so much more to get. I'm just getting started. And then you go to your next session and you're like, okay, we finished where we left. do you go to the gym do you get massages I said bro fuck the massages I need to tell you about the trauma of my childhood like we're in episode 2 of my life right now I'm not here to talk about about whether I get massages and why I'm tense like I'm paying£100 an hour for this man let me just release it and I think that that's why what was really interesting for me for therapy because it was it was looking at every aspect of my life that I didn't ever think about.

30:15I didn't ever think about like, oh, I haven't had a massage. Maybe I need to go to the gym and release energy. Maybe I am boxing up stuff, but it's okay to box up stuff. You know, I haven't cried. Let me tell you why I've cried. And they say, it's okay to cry. And you say, what? No, man, I need to release this. This is what I, and I think that is what I started realizing with therapy and opening up. And I think, you know, what, you know, therapy helps me to open up not so much more to my therapist but more to other people yeah and I think that's what I started gaining from from therapy is you know I'd spent my 20s like boxing up myself but therapy helped me in a way to open up myself to then let my real personality out to then you know connect with other people in a way that I wasn't able to do in in some of my early 20s you know do you cry now yeah yeah yeah yeah bro i cried at a video i seen on a reel the other day and i was like what's going on here like there was a beautiful video of a weightlifter and his wife had passed away have you seen this one and he i think he couldn't do it before and then he got the strength and he'd done it and they showed this cartoon of the wife helping him push it, bro.

31:36I said, Unbelievable. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa. Who is cutting the onion? I started crying. Yeah, dude, I know exactly what it is. I'm crying, crying. Okay, for a second, you're right. I said, he couldn't lift it, but he lifted it. It's actually insane. It's a beautiful video, but I always say like, it's good to cry, man. You know, that is a, crying is a raw emotion. Let the cries out. sometimes you know you might be angry like let the anger out as long as you're not letting it out to someone you know sometimes you gotta let that out i banged my toe the other day i was so mad bro i shied at the chair in my house brother like like and i and i think like that's it's what i'm trying to say is when you're it's okay to sometimes be sad 100 you know i mean like it's a very normal human thing for us 100 but i i and i don't and i and i will move away from this in a second but it's just it's so important because I think two dudes sitting here like talking about it right yeah it's amazing how we can connect over like feelings and being vulnerable right and I think for me when I felt like anxious and low I was then so scared to go back to that place that I was like almost making myself feel shit again because I was so scared to go there and then what I realized is like acceptance is like the biggest thing it's okay to feel that way yeah It's okay to feel that.

33:01My question to you is, how low did you feel? Oh, yeah, no, I was low. I remember just because I had, it's interesting because at that point in my life, I'd asked the genie for everything. So I remember just, I always used to go central London and go into shops that I'd never been in before and just be like, I'm just going to go in here and buy something because now I can. And that was my escapism of just like, okay, I'm going to buy the whole Stone Island tracksuit in peach, mint green, navy blue and gray. I don't need them, but I can. And I remember just coming home, adoring some of these materialistic things.

33:41And I would just put them. I lived at home with my mum at the time. And I'd just get them, buy them and just put them to the side. And I'd just create this heap. I never get this heap of like Selfridges bags. Like Selfridges bags and just like, and I would just be like, cool. I'm going out today and I'd go in a bag. and that they were all my clean clothes essentially. But it was until I remember one time I was just in, and I was waking up and I could see my patterns a little bit. You know, I'm in bed and I'm waking up really late. And then I'd go to things that, you know, I'd go for a meeting and I'd be late to the meeting, but just like, you know, I'm here.

34:17But I had to just be like, nah, Mo, this isn't like, you would get this meeting and be like, wow, this could change my life. And I was such in a low point, but also I'd ask the genie for everything that I felt a bit depleted and I was like, I turn up and, you know, yeah. And I think, yeah, that was like my, my lowest in some ways in, you know, because there's times where, where I was skint and I didn't have much money and I was low and I was depressed and I'm working part time, but I'm, you know, my escapism was just jumping on stage on a weekend and doing 20 minutes. No one knew who I was, but I would smash it and people would be like oh mate you're really good mate you want to get on live with the apollo and oh thanks man and that would bring me everything i was like wow this is what you do it for but then when you get everything and you know you get the call and they say oh we want you to do this show and you're like yeah yeah yeah you think right i've got everything i've ever wanted but i'm just not really happy you know and i think that was like my lowest because at least when i didn't have a lot I got like the things that I cared about.

35:23I got that, like that big round of applause that these are the things that money couldn't buy. I got the person that will come up and say, mate, I love your stuff, mate, you on Instagram, I'm going to follow you. And I was like, there are things that money can't buy. But then when you, when you get everything you want and you do have that bit of, and you know, I come from a place where a lot of people don't have a lot of money. So we're so used to just spending it all. Do you know what I mean? You're like, Whoa, I'm going to spend it all. I'm going to get the shiniest thing. I'm gonna get a fucking BMW and say fuck off look at me I've made it do you know what I mean Stone Island that is that's what I'm used to do you know what I mean or like demanding being like yo brother see these 110 pound shoes you know bro you can't buy these bro exclusive TNs and I'm so used to coming from a place of seeing the shiny thing spending it all and showing it off and I realised like at my lowest point it was like wow like I have kind of got everything I'd ever asked for at that point in my life.

36:19And I'm not entirely happy with it, you know. It's funny. It's like self-sabotage. It's like the thing that we love so much has now become a job. And it's almost like the climb is more exciting than the actual goal. And that's quite a hard thing to realize, that suddenly when it becomes a job, you're like, hang on a second, this is actually not what I wanted. It was like, I always think it's a little bit like when you, I know, when I was younger, I fancied a girl and she didn't fancy me and you chase, chase, chase. And then she's like, okay, given you're suddenly going out with them, you're like, hang on a second.

36:52And then you turn up late to the date. Yeah, you know what I mean? And you're like, what the fuck? Like, this is not what I was... You don't text her back, like, as quick as you did before. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's like, yeah, it's not for me. You're like, all right, cool. And it's that thing where you're like, right, I got what I wanted, but at what cost? Do you know what I mean?

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38:53Your comedy mode is so good, man. Oh, thank you, bro. I really appreciate that, man. You truly, and your crowd work. Oh, thank you. Talk about crowd work because it's obviously planned a little bit, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also there are some things which is totally off the cuff. Yeah. Has anything completely wild happened when you're doing a show? Do you know what I love about when I do crowd work? Because, and comics will tell you this, When you're doing crowd work, you're trying to find a thing. Explain that to me. What do you mean? So like when I'm asking, where's everyone from in the room?

39:24You know, everyone, some people, oh, I'm from this place. I'm from that place. And I just want to find one gem. And it's like cutting away at some rocks. I only see these videos. They keep coming up on Instagram of these people that look for rocks. And then they smash open this ball rock to find the fossil inside. Is our algorithm the same? Yeah, I keep seeing these rock things, bro. I want to go and get some hammers and smash some rocks, bro. And they're so excited about seeing these crystals and they open them up. Bro, I watched the whole video, you know? Yeah, it's so good. Have you ever seen these new ones where they go into the river and then they try and fish for gold?

39:53Have you seen that one? I've never seen this one, no. Yeah, these are the new ones popping up, man. I've got weird stuff about my algorithm. And then it will switch to like American Cairns. It's just like, how did we get here? Do you know what I mean? But like, I watched these and it's a little bit like these rocks where, you know, you're smashing away and you just, you look for that little fossil and you're like, ah, I can get something from this because with crowd work, you're just trying to find the beats and you're like, ah. And, you know, sometimes crowd work, when it works, it works. And comics will clip it up and they can put it out there and it looks amazing.

40:25But when it don't work, at least as a comic, you say, okay, cool. I'll crack on with the show. And I think crowd work is also understanding that I think my audience know that I'm not there to make them the joke. Do you know what I mean? I'm trying to find some stuff that might be funny we can talk about but I think my audience know they're like well I feel like Mo's crowd work he's not going to make me look bad in front of my wife or you know I'm not going to look bad in front of my girlfriend it's just I always try to be cheeky with my my comedy and especially my crowd work in a way that if I'm trying to get something out of you I might be cheeky but not enough to spoil that person's evening to the point where because I always think crowd work has to be good enough that at the end of it, when we go for a break or at the end of the show, I want people to leave and be like, oh, Mike, you was that guy at the front, right?

41:20You said it. And they feel like, oh, yeah, that's me. As opposed to people like, hey, that's that guy that Mo was laughing at. Let's laugh at him too on the way home. Because I always want my crowd to feel like they're part of the show in a way that, yes, we're laughing with you, but we're also laughing at you. but after we laugh at you, you become, you become the main person in a cool way. I think that's always important for my crowd work anyway. You know, I do it a lot of my tour shows where, you know, I like to do some interactive stuff at some of the shows. And we've done it a lot in America and I'd be like, oh, who's single here tonight?

42:00You know, guys don't really like making noise when they're single. And I'd always find the guy who makes the most noise. I said, bro, you're single. I said, bro, stand up for the people, man. and you always get a guy stand up and I want to make him feel like the coolest guy in that room in that moment. And I say, ladies, don't you think it's very confident to see a man stand up in front of all these people and all the women go, woo. And I know for that moment, he is the coolest person in the room. Not me, but he is the coolest person. And wherever he goes to the bar, he goes to the toilet, people say, oh, he's a guy in it.

42:32Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool, man. Cool, cool. And I think that's really important. of that wow you're so right yeah you have to man because rather than punching down what's the point of doing that it's like people have come to see me how it's not cool to just punch down and that's not a flex in my opinion a flex isn't punching down on an audience member who's paid to come and see you a flex is punching up and making him or her look like the coolest person But saying that, I do get some people who have been rude. And I've had to be like, oh, I don't like, you know, like, for example, I've had a show once and I said something, it's on YouTube.

43:13And I said something like, oh, I said, do you watch wrestling? And some guy said, that's wet. Now, wet means rubbish. Yeah, I didn't know that as a slang term, I was like, wet? Is this a new one? Okay, I know it means something. And I was like, wet? I said, my guy, how old are you? He said, oh, I'm 30. And I looked at him and I said, wait, you're 30? You're bald at 30? And the whole crowd went erupted. And I, don't get me wrong. Like, you can watch it on YouTube. I can't wait. I loved every part of it. But at the same time, no, I did. I loved it. It got raw. You know, you got different reactions.

43:51There was a couple in the front and they kept looking at each other. Oh my God. And they wanted to look at him, but they didn't look at him. and the guy felt so embarrassed. And there's a part of me where I really loved it and I thought, wow, this was, this felt amazing. But there was also a part of me that I felt a bit bad because that's not, I don't train myself as a comic to punch down on people. I have to protect myself and I can't have people just feel like they can disrespect me because I'm like, I'm just here to make everyone laugh. Don't show off. Do you know what I mean? It's like when you're saying that the Blazins, the Blazins, the Blazins squad joke where you're like, oh, it's funny, the first time yeah yeah but when you say the second time you know it's not funny but it's also like i think for me it's as a comic it's like bro i'm just here to make you lot laugh in it this is just me as a comic yeah so i'm very like i don't like doing it i don't it's not i don't know embarrassing someone doesn't really feel fun for me but i have to it's just more ways that i need to just protect myself on stage bro like you tried to come at me because if you come at me then everyone thinks they could cover me in it so i have to make sure i'm like hey hang on a minute let's let's remember i have the mic i have the mic by the way i could chat to you for hours oh no man i could yeah your your podcast as well yes beginning middle end why do you want to start it i think for me like i kind of reflected a little bit on my journey and i always had and when i I reflected on my journey of like, oh, this is how I started and this is where I'm at now.

45:21But when I say I reflected, I reflected at a point probably about, you know, like two years ago. I'm like, oh, I'm going to be old one day and that's OK. But what do I want to do? Like, what do I want to leave behind? Like, what's what's the plan? And I think for me, like, you know, I love doing comedy, but I'll be honest. I remember going to Mexico and I seen this group of old men playing golf and they looked like they was having the funniest time. I've never played golf. And I kept seeing them around the resort. And it was just them and their friends. It was about 60, 65, 70. And they would play pool.

45:58And they looked like, I was like, I want to do that when I'm older. And it was like the point where I was like, oh, that's kind of what I want for myself, you know. Like, I don't want to do this stuff every day. But I still want to just be able to like me and the guys be like, let's go play golf. Play a bit of pool in the resort. Eat some nice food. and I think that is where I started my journey of like what do I want to leave behind career wise but what do I want for myself when this is all said and done do I want to keep doing stand up when I'm 70 I might but right now I would like to just do like really fun stuff I've never done fishing bruv but I want to do fishing like people look so happy when they catch a fish I didn't know you put the fishes back you know I swear to you I didn't know this yeah I would see people like what are you doing man like why are you putting it back that poor fish is like going back to his other fish family he's like bro I can't speak he'll never guess what happened he'll never guess what happened I've seen it outside he'll never guess what happened I went there he's like he got dragged out by a hook and I saw it's like mental bro they got it touching me bro took a picture of me you're lying I don't believe you show me I swear they was right here they was right here bro I swear to you loads of them bro And I think that's why I kind of started the pod.

47:14And I started meeting people and there was the perception of the journey that we think we know, but then there's a way that they tell their story in a way that we don't know. And I think that's where the concept came of the beginning, middle and end. And everyone's beginning is different because some people's beginning is, we've seen it unfold on our television screens or, you know, for our speakers. because we're like oh like i i remember when i'd seen you on maybe x factor i that was for me your beginning but they will say no like before that i'd done this and i had this and they have their story to tell and also i just like to give people their flowers i think that's really important it's my favorite thing by the way i love that man i i would consider myself a real sort of like yeah i i probably very generous with my like want everyone to like be doing well No, bro, I came here today.

48:09You had the sign when I came outside. You had all the drinks. Oh my God, I'm taking a lot of drinks. I'm not going to lie to you, bro. Me and my guy, actually, we filled up our bags already, you know? Like, you've got every drink. I don't think any, if you listen to this podcast, you've got root beer in there. You've got, there was a mojito. There was a mojito. Yeah, man, no. So I appreciate it. Look, we got a quack. I'm not even there. I'm not there. Yeah, you got that in from you. I'm a mojito, though. Yeah. Do you know what I used to do, yeah? like me and my friends talk about this where we go to vegas yeah and you know we get bottles and uh vegas is amazing for the bottle shows like they bring out trucks just for the drinks and every it's it's it's a great experience and you know what it was there was a part of me in my younger self was like i really want this this is what i want and then you get it and everyone's like oh my god like where are you guys from man like yeah we're from london and we're the london boys oh my god top boy man you like duché like something like that something like that and it was amazing and isn't and then what used to happen you know like when you go to the states you have to pay tax and everything gratuity and all this other stuff i used to do this thing where like i'm just like as an idiot i'm like i just paid all this money for all these drinks and everyone's had a great time and you feel like the man and then they say yeah so um cool like we gotta add tip is that okay because they become your best friends you know the people you know the hostesses so we gotta add your tax is that okay like yeah yeah cool cool cool and tip and they they are trying to get tips for everyone they'd be like so like jose brought the bottles can he get a tip i'm like uh i think you're just doing your job like like you haven't really done anything special you just put it in the bucket of champagne you know and um yeah and and you can jose get it he like yeah and i used to do this thing i shouldn't say this but i said i used to act fake drunk because my because my friend javan yeah is so good at like he's like a penny pincher in it and he is so and i'll be like i'll give him my card i'll be like i'll be like bro i'm gonna have drunk like somehow like can we get another oh oh i'm so drunk i can't i can't do it and javan will go for everything okay so um sorry you're not getting the tip hose i apologize okay so the tax um okay how much uh let me get market you'll get a calculator out and then i'll be like oh oh god I can't see.

50:27I can't see. I'm so drunk. That's so good. And then they get paid and I'll be like, one eye, I'll be like, that's okay. Hey bro, cut a bit more to it. Oh, I'm so drunk. And they get paid and be like, ah. Anyway, time to go. It was ruthless, man. But then I realized that like, that is not sustainable. It's not sustainable. Do you know what I mean? I remember I have a friend of mine. he's a close friend who was at a club and neo was on the other table yeah yeah yeah neo bought a bottle my friend was like i'm gonna buy a bigger bottle so he ordered a bottle and it came in on a scooter someone's holding it on the back of a scooter and he came in and he added it he held He looked his left and Neo had gone.

51:22And then just go out to the bill. And he was like, I can't even afford this. I don't know why I've done this to try and impress Neo. And you can't take it home. You can't take it home. You can't take it home. That's what they don't tell you. When you buy these drinks, you can't take them home. Can't take it home. So like we would ask, can we take them? And they say, no, sorry, sorry. You can't take them. I said, how can I not take these? Just pay for it. Oh, yeah. No, it's, don't ever spend your money. Don't do it. Just go to the pub, get a couple of pints that is a much funner vibe do you know what I mean

51:52this man this has been amazing dude I really appreciate I appreciate everything you shared and just it's been beautiful I have eight questions for you yes and you can make them quick fire anything you want are you ready for this let's do it man what's a saying or phrase that makes you smile or cheers you up a saying or phrase that always cheers me up which has always been something that my manager said. She said, don't ever be a C word. Don't be that. And it makes me laugh because they say, if people don't be, can I swear on this? Yeah, you can. Don't be a cunt because I said C word, you know, like these times I've been like saying fucking shit for the whole pod.

52:32But don't ever be a cunt because if you're a cunt, it never leaves you. You know, you can change your life and people say, oh, he's changed his life. You know, a lovely person now, but back in the day, it was the right cunt. It never leaves you and it always makes me laugh. I always remember, it's always one saying my manager said, don't ever be a cunt because it will never leave you. You can change your life, but it'll always be stuck to you forever. Be a nice person. Do you know what I mean? And another phrase I always like is surround yourself with radiators and not drains. I love that one.

53:06That's my favourite one. Man, 100 % I agree with you on everything. Mad contrast there, isn't it? Dude, but it's so true. Best compliment anyone's ever given you? Someone. Oh, I was on this American news show called KTLA. And the news presenter was like, oh my God, thanks for coming on, Mo Gilligan. Absolutely great. You smell great. I said, oh, thank you. And it wasn't the best one. That's your best compliment. But it was like, you know, that's your plan to wear cologne, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, it's all good. Like that is the one thing that you want. I love that's the one thing out of everything that sticks in your mind.

53:44Oh man, I remember just feeling like, I was like, wow, finally. And because this particular cologne, I never got a compliment with it. And I've got a nice selection. I used to work at Joe Malone. So I've got a nice selection of different stuff. Do you know what I mean? Like I've got my Blue Agarve and cacao. Do you know what I'm saying? From the archive collection. I've got my 154. Like I've got my Lime Basil, my Pomegranate Noir. Yeah, very good. But when I'm fragrance combining, I need that. My God, what are you wearing? Oh, finally. Welcome to my boudoir. Here we go. So yeah, yeah, yeah. That was one that I really enjoyed.

54:22What scares you most about yourself? Sometimes in life, I can be so laid back and be so unserious that sometimes I don't want to take things for granted. Do you know what I mean? Wow. Okay. I absolutely get that. Especially health-wise and stuff. I'm always like, well, I feel fine. you know you don't even go doctors and i always never want to be in a position where i'm like ah i should have maybe took that a little bit more seriously man you know i know it's easy to laugh things off as a comic but or just be like yeah yeah it's fine but sometimes it's just like uh yeah maybe maybe should we should address that yeah i did i think it's a fine line i think that's so important yeah people listening i i dude that is so good we've mentioned this but when was the The video we was talking about.

55:08That was, yeah. That was amazing. Yeah, that was a couple of days ago. Yeah, man. What's something you can't let go of? Can't let go of. Trainers. I love trainers. I have a sneaker room, you know. No, you don't. I do, man. How many trainers? Oh, we're talking, I don't know, but I've not counted in a while. And I've got them in the trainer room and then I've got a bunch of them in the attic. They're the ones who just don't make it. They don't make it to the room. What's your guilty pleasure? Yeah, a double espresso. I love a double espresso. When I got an espresso machine, I thought this is it.

55:40I've completed life, bro. I've got caramel and almond pods. Like, I couldn't believe it. I thought this is sensational. So yeah, that's probably my guilty pleasure. What's your biggest turn off in life? Biggest turn off are people that are rude to people, but people that are rude to people trying to impress people. Like anyone that is rude to like, not just anyone, but particularly, you know, waiters or stuff or like, I hate, I hate that stuff, especially when people are trying to do it to impress other people. It's the worst thing I hate. It's just, it's just horrible. I don't like that. I'm so with you.

56:17It's my most hated thing. Yeah. What turns you on? Oh, do you know what turns me on? Is, is seeing, seeing a bargain of something that was really expensive that went down so cheap. Oh, bro. Ah, listen, man. if I see something and I don't need it and I was like wow that was really pricey but it's 60 % off it's such a fun feeling yeah so that's probably it yeah what do you like most about yourself? I like the fact that I can pretty much laugh at 90 % of the things that I can I can I see or happens to me like within life I laugh at all my own jokes when I write my material I laugh first if I don't find it funny how can I expect my audience to find it funny but I do love that about myself and it goes back to not always taking things so seriously but I love that about myself that I can I would pretty much laugh at anything you know this has been brilliant final one bonus favourite swear word it's got to be dickhead man dickhead is a good one man it's good because you can say it in a positive and negative do you know what I mean you'd be like oh you fucking dickhead man but then when you see one of the guys he's like why are you a dickhead man you can say it so wait I like dickhead man dickhead yeah I like that one Mo this has been absolutely brilliant I appreciate everything I appreciate you coming on man thank you so much man you inspire me you inspire everyone so dude thank you so much for coming on Great Company you're the best and you know one thank you for having me on the pod but also too because I remember when I done the Made in Chelsea sketch and you took it really well man I really appreciated that oh man are you kidding me no because again I don't like to take the piss out of people and I always just tried my best to be like, I've got this idea for this thing.

58:06And I can also understand how sometimes I could do something and people are laughing at it and you're like, oh, everyone laughing at me. But I like the fact, you know, you shared it, you liked it. Because it was genius. Oh no, thank you, bro. I really appreciate that, man. But honestly, I rated that so much. I was like, oh, right. Like, oh, thanks, man. Like, because I'll be honest, I was hesitant to even put out because I was like, I don't want to feel like I'm taking the piss out of man. No, man, you don't give off that. You just don't. You're a radiator, man. you don't you do when you're you're making fun because it's funny and you're doing it that way that's what's brilliant about it but I like the fact that you liked it because I honestly you can ask the rest of the team when I made it because we was doing it on a show that I had and I was like I don't know and I was like it's really funny I was like yeah but I don't know you want to like it's not really my vibe but I like the fact that you liked it I swear to you it was a sigh of relief so I appreciate you bro you're the best I appreciate it man thanks for coming on dude I appreciate it baby thank you so much man that was amazing thank you no thank you bro

59:01Wow. That was fantastic. Well done, Julie. You like that? Yeah, I loved it. Okay, so I didn't lean into any... You leant all over the place. That's a good thing. It was like you were in a car not wearing a seatbelt. Wow. He was leaning left, right, front, back. Up and down into the seat. Okay, he was great. He was great. Ooh, what were you about to say? No, you go. No, you go. I just enjoyed... Yeah, how fun we want to open... What a lovely man. What a lovely, lovely man. I enjoyed every bit of it. Mo, if you're listening, thank you so much for that. I really appreciate it. Also, guys, if you haven't subscribed to our show already or commented on who you would like as a guest, we would love to hear from you.

59:43Ask us any questions you want. You can send us an email, greatcompany at jampopproductions.co.uk or you can sign into our DMs at greatcompanypodcast. We would love to hear from you and we check everything. Well, producer Jemima does. I sure do, my little owls. Little owls. Okay, PJ. Okay, JL. No, I'm not. You're PJ. And you're, oh. I'm just Jamie. You're PJ too, presenter Jamie. Oh my God. On that note, ladies and gentlemen, we'll see you next week for another episode of Great Company.

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