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5 Apr 2026 · 9m · 4 chapters

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Professor Green: Why Men Today Feel Lost | GREAT MOMENTS

In short

A “Great Moments” conversation about how sudden violence can change lives, and how broader social issues—poverty, division, and men’s declining relationship stability—contribute to men feeling “lost,” especially working-class men.

Guests

Jamie Lang (host) and Professor Green (British rapper; discussed his own experiences with knife crime and the “Boys and Men” framework).

Key claims

Knife crime won’t be solved by banning weapons alone; poverty and opportunity are the root drivers. Men face higher mortality risk when not in relationships; women’s increased independence can correlate with men becoming “unmarriageable.” Political and social division (algorithms, “us vs them,” social media incentives to “win”) blocks unity and change.

Notable examples

Professor Green describes being stabbed (neck and stomach scars) after a random club altercation; he also references a boy killed on Amherst Road the same night.

Written by AI. May contain mistakes.

Chapters

2:16

Professor Green's Personal Story

Professor Green shares his life-altering experiences and reflections on violence.

“I never got stabbed on no G shit, no block shit, no road shit.”
6:16

Challenges Facing Modern Men

Discussion on the societal challenges that lead to men feeling lost today.

“There's a really terrifying book, Boys and Men by Richard Reeves.”
8:07

Unity and Responsibility in Society

Exploration of how division in society impacts collective responsibility and progress.

“There's a lot of people who are angry with the situations they find themselves in.”
11:04

The Importance of Personal Growth

A conversation about the need for continuous personal improvement and trying.

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2:04Hello everyone, I'm Jamie Lang and this is Great Moments. Hello everyone, this is Great Moments where I share some of my favorite moments from my conversations on Great Company. Something that's made me think, made me laugh, or changed my perspective and hopefully hopefully there's something in it for you too so are you ready let's get into it i mean one of the things you you also have and you sort of spoke about is the scar you have in your neck which is where uh someone on the other side now as well down there i've got one there and i've got one all the way across my stomach and different reasons that these were surgical i was professionally shanked but um man because someone stabbed you the neck with a bottle yes yeah yeah i he accused me of barging someone the person he said our bars never said anything because i said excuse me in a loud club and he didn't hear me so i put an open hand on his back and said excuse me please and move by you know i'm you've seen me enough to know how i carry myself 100 and um yeah it just it descended and oh it just you know i yeah yeah didn't need to go there it didn't it the arc of you know just how quick it went from nothing to to nearly take in my life, which would have took both of our lives.

3:22It was just so unwarranted. It had no, there was no history to it. I never got stabbed on no G shit, no block shit, no road shit. It happened really randomly. And I wish for both of us that it didn't. Isn't it crazy how, I think it's like how one moment can change life. Really quickly. That sliding door moment. Yeah, yeah. One decision, one moment. There was a kid on the very same night who sadly on Amherst Road passed away, got stabbed in the neck on the same night and he passed away uh um and how many other lives altered changed maimed ruined destroyed because of it it's really and the thing is as well like you know outside of psychotic behavior it there's a place where it happens and so when you see campaigns around zombie knives and stuff i agree they shouldn't people should not have access to tools like that but most people are stabbed with kitchen knives you're not going to get rid of kitchen knives there's an you know there's areas and there's a kind of socio-economic background where this happens and the problem we're dealing with is poverty you know skinny man talks about it on his on his album brilliant album best uk rap album ever the council state of mind you know the science of social deprivation this this is understood and we're not tackling poverty so we're not going to tackle knife crime where i would argue it's being perpetuated at the moment with so what would you do big question um speculate speculate you know front end the spending we know what it costs when someone ends up in prison we know what it costs when someone's life 60 000 pounds a year right and we know so i mean you could probably have that and give someone a wage not that people should just be given but if you improve someone's if you improve if you improve someone's opportunity you improve outcomes if you so from a completely capitalist selfish point of view let's improve opportunity because if we improve opportunity we improve outcomes if we improve outcomes we improve the labor force because more people go into the labor force what happens then well more people have money to spend so what happens we grow the economy there's a lot of reason to improve opportunity and and then from a human point of view because if the i grew up with fuck all point of view yeah you improve the quality of someone's life and we only have one and it's really short and it god that's the first time i've nearly cried this whole fucking episode because it is immediate i go to my son and i'm like how much time have i got like my head just goes but you improve people you improve people's quality of life and that should be where we start but sadly you know i think that the more selfish aspect of how it can benefit the economy is probably more attractive to to people who can possibly make a difference I don't know why there has to be such disparity.

6:05I don't know who it aids. Do you think in the working class community, typically men, there's a lot of men who are lost? Yeah, massively, massively. There's a really terrifying book, Boys and Men by Richard Reeves. And he talks about, you know, the effect of men becoming less marriageable, you know, men becoming unmarriageable. so therefore women looking at them as just an extra mouth to feed and thinking they can do everything themselves and the impact that that has on them raising boys and wow that's not villainizing women by the way but just just what's happening and then men being at much greater risk this is i can't repeat all of this verbatim i need to go back and read the book another six times but men being at much greater risk of mortality if they're not in a relationship so the the women offered most independence by way of success are most likely to marry which you know like there's so much fucking division it man we're not even you know against patriarchy together it's just well if women are doing better it must be at the cost of men you know i mean like and let's let's let's feed that to men you know in the same way that people are encouraged to be angry at immigrants because they're the problem right despite you having much more in common with them than you whoever will your middle or upper class counterparts, they're the problem.

7:23It's all of this division, which is encouraged and relied upon that stops any significant change from ever happening because there's no unity between us. How do we ever unify and make substantial change when we're not all pulling in the same direction? So how do we stop them versus us? Oh, we try and work together. I always say fix your home. Genuinely, I just think it does. My son hopefully will grow up with ideas of how to do this better than I've ever had the ability to. And I just think if we all start from there, but we have to educate ourselves. You know, we can't just look at, we need to save boys.

7:57We need to help men. It's not necessarily a woman's job to do that, but collectively we all have responsibility with each other because where we are, for better or worse, we are all in this together. There's a lot of people who are angry with the situations they find themselves in. And some of that anger is just, you know, I'm not here to diminish that anger, but it's then leveraged by people who benefit further from you know further division and you look at reform and it's just i find that that side of things really scary like can i ask because you all the british flags going up i went through basalden the other day going what in the brexit is going on here and it's a sad use of something which you know soldiers coming home from war gave a real good feeling of i'm okay i've made it back it's not that anymore There's, you know, people talk of being patriots and a lot of people not knowing their own history.

8:48It's a lot of people consuming conversations that we're stuck in our own algorithms. And so we're being taught by our own algorithms rather than the wider algorithm which we need to see. And then therefore, and there's also not much safe space for conversation because you have to sit and talk with people that you're not aligned with and that you don't agree with. but the art of disagreeing agreeably is forgotten. And you can't. You've got to win now. You've got to win. Rather than going, again, Alan Bottin says my favourite thing, the thing that turns me on is when someone goes, oh, that's interesting.

9:23Oh, I haven't thought of it that way. Oh, maybe you're right. We've lost that. Without the need to be right though. Yes, without the need to be right. Yeah, but you know what I mean? We feel like we all have a voice because of social media, so we all become lawyers or dictators and we have to say, this is what we think and you've got to believe it. And if you don't believe it, then... And it's so people can't, and I think there's also the other thing that comes with phones and, you know, I'm guilty of spending too long on it, but is the distraction from what we feel and being able to just swipe from what we don't like feeling.

9:51So if we read something that challenges us and that prompts a feeling, see you later. Man, you speak so, you speak so clearly from a place of such personal growth. But then go and spend two hours scrolling on my phone. Yeah, but. I just want to be, I just want to be absent. I am not, everything I've spoken about, I'm still very much, not victim of, that's handing over accountability. Sorry, bad language. I'm still very guilty of. Yes, but you're still, you're still. I'm trying, man. I'm trying, Jamie. And that's the most brilliant thing, right? But what's the most important thing you've learned?

10:25Try. Yeah, yeah. It's really easy to sit with, you know, it sounds crazy, doesn't it? Because it's not easy to sit with ill feeling or the feeling of I could do more or I should have done different you can't you know you can't unless you go down the rabbit hole of quantum physics you know you can't impact anything that's already happened but you can take that and try and do something different going forwards and that's really really hard because especially you know 40 you've got a life of experience and it's really easy to just continue without making conscious effort but it has to be conscious and it has to be effort to do something different so yeah try fail try again do something different actively force yourself to do something different

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From the publisher

The rise of the manosphere says a lot about where things are at - a lot of men feel unheard and unseen in today’s world.


Professor Green, aka Stephen Manderson, is a musician, storyteller, and one of my all-time favourite guests on Great Company. 


In this Great Moment, he talks openly about what many working-class men are dealing with. Feeling cut off, struggling to express themselves and often being pushed towards anger instead of understanding.


Stephen shares the experiences that have shaped his life and what he’s learnt from them. Because sometimes, the lessons that help us grow come from showing up and speaking honestly.


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