RIZZLE KICKS: Letting Go of the Pressure to Succeed | GREAT MOMENTS

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2:06Hello everyone, I'm Jamie Lang and this is Great Moments. Hey everyone, I hope you're well and welcome back to Great Moments. Now if you're new here, this is the place where I'm going to bring you a standout moment from one of my favorite great comedy conversations. these are the moments that have stayed with me long after the recording and i hope you can take something away from them now if today's conversation leaves you wanting more you can find the link to the full episode in the show notes so sit back settle in and here it is

2:40you guys find each other in brighton you connect you start um creating this music you put it on youtube you found on youtube you know island records isn't it that that that say right we want to sign you guys for any like especially at that time it was the sky's the limit it was organic for sure that's that's what it felt like compared to this day and age you know we got like you know we got yeah three or three three offers um and we went with a guy called nick who's he signed he had signed adele and dizzy rascal so we were like yeah he sounds good um and then another guy offered us an iPad and we thought I was a bit dodged so we just so that wasn't the only deal as well as money it wasn't just here's an iPad at the time bro iPads were wild this is like this is this is 2010 iPhones came out in 2007 so that was like revolutionary to have like a but yeah it was it was yeah but again like I really emphasize I was truly delusional as a teenager so I didn't even think it was weird I was like oh yeah we get signed sure and then I reckon we'll probably just like be high in the charts but isn't that in the magic of being a teenager being young as well right there's no experience there's always that poem which I love which is about innocence and experience how experience kills innocence and actually we kind of want to say innocent forever because then we're not learned we don't learn these things yeah but isn't innocent there just being used as a replacement for ignorance yeah possibly because like the whole yeah you get a beautiful window where you can you can excuse idiocy and like with you can have be overconfident and be like you know um being you can be overconfident and stupid but it's excusable on based off of age but the dream is to be so experienced that the confidence comes from an informed understanding of what you can do in the world around you that's that's the kind of dream you know but i do think yes the innocence and the naivety and the over confidence based off of like what is the world brilliant and super fun but for me personally i can't speak for harley one of the hardest things when we put razor kicks on ice and then we're trying to grow up and and be more grounded and and establish you know uh healthier roots one of the biggest complexes i had to overcome was the reality that not everything i try first time is going to be successful that was wild explain that more well it is unusual to see a video on YouTube from a record label perspective even go alright these boys are good you know what I mean we've got like a peel it's kind of there weren't many other acts similar to us in that space and then we tried we put out one song and it it went to number 8 within a month and stayed there for like almost 2-3 months and then another song comes in and it's top 10 and another song comes in and it's number 2 and then an album like that first first try that's not usual and for us not only did it create a space where I didn't even acknowledge that we'd achieved all of our dreams within one year but then it was like right where's the second album do you know what I mean and then we are now having to live we have to have to live with the expectation of something that where we've overachieved essentially so what you're saying we haven't overachieved the album is sick thank you and the album is sick both albums but the what you're saying is that having that immediate success is incredibly dangerous.

6:11Yeah, I would say that. So then what's the counter to that then? Like if you, because all you want, you're going into this industry and all you want is success. No, it's climb, not climax. That's what I say. Harley, were you the same? Did you have the same sort of mentality? Because I know what you're saying, Don, I agree with you. You're just like, you're not used to failure. So then when failure hits you, it hits you like a bullet. But what's wild is that like, so our first album stereotypical it's double platinum now I think which is insane what does that mean for the listeners like it's it's over 600 ,000 records and in a time you know that's a lot of albums no one has platinum albums anymore really unless you're like a super you know it's a lot of records basically but then physical as well yeah so and then on our second album which you know I'm super proud of that album love that album it's it went gold which which is amazing which is incredible but it's only 100 ,000 I think it's done like over 200 ,000 now but like at the time over 100 ,000 and but because that wasn't as good as our first album it was not seen as like a failure but like well that is a business context yeah you want a business to you know if it's not going up then technically growth bro it's a failure but like if for example the first time around we had sold 50 ,000 50 ,000 the label would be like wow that's great and then you on the second one you set to do 150 000 i go wow it's growing it's growing but because we sold fucking 600 000 on the first try and then only 100 000 on the second try you your your your view of what success gets so skewed to the point where you just then are like lost a little you you guys are young you you think you're cool there's a huge success straight away unfortunately that is typically a recipe for disaster in terms of you know we can get into it right there's drugs there's alcohol we probably have had a very similar experience yeah but for you guys you're young you're successful you're good looking how do you how do you how do you not drift into that dark side of life can I say yeah I didn't think I was cool I definitely enjoyed the music that we made and I understood that we were good at it like I thought my delusion was like I know I'm good at writing lyrics and people would actively be like you're shit like your music's awful I remember I tried to sing on a song when I was younger and somebody like clipped it up and just send it around everyone on MSN and everyone was just sending me just like laughing at me saying I was all shit but I'm saying it didn't that was normal to me so I didn't think like oh everyone's gonna think I'm cool I was like I'm gonna show these cool kids what hard work means and actually my drive and ambition was was spurred on again this is another thing I'm now dealing with as a response I'm not having to motivate myself from a place of harmony not having to prove people wrong and I found that hard that's something I still struggle with you know yeah because I think you know what I was I what I was getting is that you guys had sort of these two journeys where you've been vocal and I want to talk about it about drugs and alcohol and that space and I admire you for being open about it right but Harley what a lot of people may not know is the anxiety attacks that you had you you and I remember speaking to you Jordan about this years ago and you probably won't remember um you were on stage you had a panic attack and that was like a light switch for you that was it yeah what happened tell me about it um like yeah in like kind of like a physical sense it was just we mean i'd started like doing this other music music project uh and it was amazing by the way thank you and i had a show and look i don't know i'm starting to learn a little bit more about it but i don't want to like put confirmation on that in terms of why it happened but a big part of it because as as you can you know see in our dynamic jordan's very upfront he's like very good at talking to people he's like you know probably the best conversationist i've ever met and and and when uh and but that also translated to being on stage so like i kind of got used to being able to like go on stage jordan ramping up the crowd like doing this and then i'd be able to just like chime in with a little sign whatever and it was cool and i always felt comfortable but like even if like jordan like went off stage like change his t-shirt whatever i'd be on stage like uh i wouldn't feel nervous i don't know what to say um and i think you know doing that thing on my own without jay was like i think i felt all of a sudden like really exposed and also a lot of the music that we wrote especially on our first album was it was fun it was happy it was jolly it was about kind of random shit you do as teenagers but this was this music I was making was heartbreak um a lot of heartbreak stuff a lot of love songs and I used to be a very emotionally shut off person like like a stone like proper like stoic man no emotion type thing and all of a sudden I'm in a room of people singing about how I got my heart broken and all of a sudden it's just like this wave of like oh my god I can't believe you're exposing yourself like this like hit me and and then yeah so we from that like you know I had a panic attack John was there ambulance was there I thought I was having a fucking heart attack all this shit um and then we had a tour had to cancel that because I just couldn't visualize doing that which was you know I still feel fucking awful about that but I at the time I had to take care of myself but that anxiety spilled into everything, every part of my life.

12:07You know, I couldn't get on the tube. I couldn't like, I couldn't, I couldn't even like, the idea of doing this, like, you know, I've said this before, but the idea of like sitting opposite you and like having a chat in room of like 10 people, if this was, you know, four or five years ago, I would have found any excuse not to be here. I would have, you know, crumbled. I would have been in bed for days. I would have you know been throwing up i would have had anxiety it would it was like and this is so like casual like nice and like relaxing and lovely but like the idea of it just like really i hated it and it it kind of caused me to like spiral into quite a deep deep depression because the thing i love doing being a performer being an artist being a person who likes being around other creative people was like zapped away from me, taken away from me.

13:00And I was kind of left with like this idea of who I used to be. Um, and like that longing to be that person again, but with the physical incapability of doing so. Um, and yeah, it really sent me into like a fucking dark, dark place, man. And that was a big part of why we had to, we took a step, step back and just say, look, we need to just work on ourselves. And, and I, you know, that's the best thing we could have done like we could have I could have powered through and could have like because I think a lot of people do because they're so addicted to kind of like that lifestyle and that celebrity culture and that like you know onslaught of like people appreciating you that they can't take themselves out of it but I think you know we we were strong enough to kind of remove ourselves and you know I had a family I've got an amazing partner who's like super supportive and I had good people around me, great friends.

13:51My children are amazing. And just living in that existence of just like wholesomeness and harmony was really important to be able to now. I've like grown and like sport, like you mentioned earlier, like I use sport, like as a, that's a big thing for me. Like I need that shit. Now I'm a person that don't get me wrong. like there's going to be moments during this process where I might have a little fumble or have a little like moment where I'm like oh that's a big deal I don't know how I feel about that but I now have the tools and the understanding of myself to to take that on and and you know Jordan's always been like a huge supporter of like since since um since I started feeling that like in that way and it was never I never felt a pressure to be like let's get back on this wheel like well the reason why we started making music again was like super organic.

14:44We just, you know, we love making music together and that was where it all stemmed from. And it started extremely low pressure, low key. We just got in the studio, did some bits and it was great. It was really great. And that also gave me a lot of confidence, but you know, it's the past like seven, eight years is the early part of it was fucking horrible. But the past like four, three, four years has been a lovely, beautiful journey. And that wouldn't have happened if I'd, if I'd kept myself in that space. Do you know what really stands out about you both, which is amazing, is the love and respect you have for each other.

15:17And I think you see it in bands, you see it in TV shows, you see it in relationships, and let's talk about the son of respect, right? And the fact that the success. Feels like you guys just had this level of respect for each other. That even though, Jordan, you were maybe more of the hype man, you actually, you know, you fell into the role of quite liking being backstage. Yin and yang for sure. But that's amazing. And that really shines through guys. It's, and this is why there's new music coming. And I swear to God, I want people, when I do, I swear to God, I'm not lying when I say this. I swear to you, but I can look in the eyes.

15:54I swear to God, I now go on the Rizzle Kicks TikTok. Yeah. To see you guys dancing. We're doing that shit at gunpoint, bro. Man, it's so good. I don't know what about your rhythm or the vibe, like there's something within it dude i just think we're it's so it's i i can't express more how how good it i definitely think there's there's we feel less pressure this time just because like i say our values in life again i can't speak on behalf harley but just from seeing harley's life choices our values have shifted you know and we're very much you know harley has had this experience of having two children and feeling that shift of priority of value like the a desire of wanting to give love constantly and provide and be there and be present, you know.

16:43So slightly less affected by the fact that we have to do 100 TikToks a day.

17:06Hey, it's Paige from Giggly Squad. You know when you finally get started on a project around the house and then five minutes in you realize you're missing one thing? Somehow it's always that one thing that sends you back to the store. That's why I love this from Lowe's. If you're a MyLowe's Rewards or MyLowe's Pro Rewards member, you get free same-day delivery. Honestly, Lowe's will make the run for you, making it that much easier to get what you need. Just place your order and Lowe's handles the rest. It seriously makes life so much easier, especially when you've already got a million things going on.

17:39Members get more at Lowe's. $25 minimum and loyalty membership required. Order eligible items by 2 p.m., subject to weight and size restrictions and availability. Terms at lowes.com slash shipping terms. Hello and welcome to Hey You Presents, the podcast where reality TV gets the deep dive that it truly deserves. I'm Dean McCarthy. I'm a self-confessed reality TV addict, and you can join me as I sit down with the biggest names in the Hey You universe to uncover the moments that you love, the drama you lived for, and the stories you never got the full picture on. Every week is unfiltered, it's unforgettable, and unlike anything you've heard before.

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