Cillian Murphy, Vol. IV (plus David Jonsson & Tom Blyth)

28:00Cillian Murphy:Other people, I'm not that resilient with it. So I really enjoy the producing. I like putting people together and I like to talk. I love being in the grade. I love being in the edit. I love being in the mix. I love... What about casting? Do you get in the casting room? Is that weird for you as to be on the other side and auditioning actors? I do occasionally like when we get right down to it. Like Tim Mealens is great at acting. It's impossible now. Now you have to do the tape thing. Right. No one gets in a room anymore, sadly. When we narrowed it down to like the last, we did get in a room, we did lots of workshop with the actors and it's a different skill to doing a tape.

28:43Cillian Murphy:It makes total sense but it's also sort of, it's very disconnecting that tape thing. But I love it all. It's a different skill in a way. It's an entirely different skill, one that I wouldn't be able to master. but you don't have that personal thing like we're having now. Were you a good auditioner back in the day? No, no, it was terrible. I mean, what was it about? Just getting in your own head, just that weird, I don't know, as we said, it's not the real thing. It's a different kind of thing. No, I was terrible because I had to, terrible, I didn't have very much confidence so that I couldn't get to, you know, I knew at the back of my head I thought I could do it, but I just didn't, I knew it would work, I could probably do it.

29:23Right. If you actually hired me, I could do the job.

29:25Cillian Murphy:I just can't do this. That's what every actor feels, though, I think. And that's why maybe this is now that I'm just thinking out loud, but that's why if you find a champion like I did with Enda Walsh. Yeah. Who like cast me and then continue to cast me, you know, and they could see the work. And he wasn't judging on an audition. So I think if you find, if you're lucky enough to find an early champion, we could see beyond that tiny kind of the germ of something to the potential of something. Because that's what it is. You're seeing in the audition room, like, just, like, a hint of what that could blossom into.

30:01Yeah. Right? Do you remember the last time you had to audition? I would imagine it's over for you now, thankfully. Thank fuck, yeah.

30:11Cillian Murphy:I don't recall. I probably have PTSD about all of them. Yeah. Were you a guy that, like, brought in props? did you go all out no i i found it it's found it very hard to get into the zone yeah in the room um i know you said you didn't like feel like at least that you contributed a lot to the 28 years later films yet but i do want to mention because last time we couldn't really talk about it just to say first of all i loved what danny and alex so good i love that movie yeah um i'm sad that jody you're not going to get to mix it up with spoiler warning i mean yeah she's amazing amazing Amazing, yeah.

30:44But like, what was your, I don't know, did you have a, feel like you had a creative contribution? Did you kind of just like hang back once they locked in the script and say like, you have my blessing, go for it?

30:53Cillian Murphy:Oh, 100%. Yeah. I mean, I love about the film. I love the way it's so Danny. It's so punk. Yeah. It's so, it's quite avant-garde in an amazing way. It's very bold. I thought Alex's writing was sensational in terms of how they, you know, everyone talks about world building or whatever. but they actually did that in a way that makes total sense but it's driven by the performances yes it's completely driven by the by all the performances and i think the performances in it are no the kid alfie and a rave i mean i mean not that we're surprised at rave jack o 'connell like when you see jack o 'connell the second movie as well like the whole thing it's all driven by performances and writing and direction and that's that's what the the original one hopefully was that was that as well and it's i think it's just for us uh it's so heartening that that movie still gets talked about and it's stuck around after all these years uh i don't think it's pulling anything because danny's talked to me on camera and many people that you are up here in a limited way i think in the second one so you've shot some stuff yeah what was it like to finally i guess it was for nia da costa the director yes it was wonderful yeah what was it like to finally play jim again after all these years was danny on set as well like give me a little sense without revealing that happened.

32:04Cillian Murphy:No, this is Nia's movie. Danny produced it. But she was amazing. I mean, I was only on it for a brief period. But yeah, it was quite emotional to go back and to think how bloody long ago it was.

32:25Cillian Murphy:And also just like I said, the fact that the film still seems to have retained some relevance or some sort of people enjoy it still you know are you hearing are we close to a green light on the third because apparently you get a lot more to chew on i'm not gonna get drawn into that okay i'm just trying to will it into existence listen if everyone goes and sees the second one then we're in good shape okay we're a few months away from that one yeah um in terms of like how you are received by folks and out in the wild in toronto wherever you are is it different since oppenheimer are they is it an equal number of tommy shelby fans and oppenheimer people i would have wanted people want to talk to you about lately uh um i guess it depends on the person all all of the above i think uh it feels like there's a lot of anticipation for the peaky blinders film it feels like that another thing that i suppose because people keep watching and keep going back to it yeah you know it's that's the nature of streamers now isn't it that it never disappears into the background these things are always there um so there's a lot it seems like there's a lot of anticipation by that and and op and i were touched an awful lot of people and like we could never have anticipated the reach that movie had so i love to talk talk about them um but uh uh so it's a mix i suppose does it feel like you've shot obviously the peaky film is that a beginning or an end for for tommy what did it feel different doing a film as opposed to with the tv the tv always had amazing yeah cinematic qualities obviously but do you feel like you had more license to go bigger whatever that means for for this film yeah we're very keen to make it a cinematic experience and that that is really what we wanted to do and um tom harper the director did an amazing job i think it looks fantastic uh and i think i i had my sort of fan goggles or hat or whatever on the whole time because i really feel like, you know, the fan base for Peaky is incredibly loyal and people are so devoted to it.

34:32Cillian Murphy:I really wanted it to be satisfactory for the fans. You must be, I know you got to be tight with Matt Damon, who you were a fan of before you worked with. A little passing of the torch, he gets his time to be front and center. You know what it's like to be a leading man for Chris Nolan. I mean, I can't wait for that. Have you talked to him since he kind of got a chance to do this or when he got the role Is there a conversation about that? No, I mean, he's Matt Damon. He's okay. He doesn't need my validation. He's just fine. And, you know, they've worked together as well. That's another established relationship.

35:03Cillian Murphy:And it's the third movie now they've made together, I think. And so it's just so unbelievably exciting. And I don't know. There is no director in the world I can think of who you think could wrestle that book into a movie, you know, except for Chris. Totally. And meanwhile, Emily, your buddy, Emily Blunt, is sprinkling her magic dust on Dwayne Johnson next. So maybe he's the next one that gets an Oscar from working with Emily Blunt. I hear that's a very exciting film. I'm seeing it in a couple of days. I can't wait. Great, great. It's going to be amazing. What about this? I'm throwing random stuff at you.

35:33I mentioned Stephen Knight. We talked about Bond. Oh, yeah. He's writing Bond. So he is, yeah. Have you talked to him about that? I know you told me you feel like you're past your Bond days. Oh, I think so. That being said, other great roles in a Bond film.

35:46Cillian Murphy:look I think that's a wonderful team and Stephen Knight I mean they're both at the top of their game I think it'll be very exciting yeah so um maybe folks have also mentioned this this might be more of a fan casting thing but like this whole Voldemort Harry Potter thing yeah is that is there anything to that no no I mean genuinely I mean my kids show me occasionally but like I know I don't know anything about that okay I mean also it's just really hard to follow anything Ralph Fiennes does this is true he's the man is an absolute acting legend so good luck to whoever is gonna fill those and you have to lose your your beautiful nose for like eight years or something i'm very touched we all are um but yeah we mentioned earlier um i mentioned uh jesse buckley who you said you're a fan of before yeah like so are i mean i don't know how plugged into you are in this film festival season or something but like are there films or people that you have your eye on that you're excited to see that you're just hearing about right now or not just bumped into paul greengrass there i'm very excited i saw that one it's good yeah i mean he's he makes great movies he makes amazing movies i'm really looking forward to seeing that it's a great cast he's such a great filmmaker yeah i'm excited to see that excellent all right i'm gonna wrap up with our uh you've done this before i'm gonna subject this is the price of doing the podcast four times you answer some profoundly random questions oh god i know okay the rest of it was fine now this is the pain i forgot about this first um i don't think i've asked you most of these uh are you a dog or cat person we have both okay yeah equal opportunity do you collect anything uh vinyl i suppose okay uh reover a video game person favorite video game of all time not really back to your youth no no pac-man nothing not really no i know okay um this is the most controversial one dakota johnson asked me this i ask everybody would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

37:39Jesus. Don't blame me, blame Dakota Johnson.

37:45Cillian Murphy:I suppose if I had a mouthful of bees, I wouldn't have to answer the question. It's like a circular thing, then you wouldn't have to answer my stupid questions. That would be the end of the interview, wouldn't it? Smart man. Wallpaper on your phone, is it still black? You told me that way back then. Yeah, it's still black. We love that. It's still black. We love that, we encourage that. last actor you were mistaken for it doesn't really happen now you're Cillian Murphy do less people mangle your name now thanks to the Oscar it's the percentage gone down I get a bit of mangling but it's not so bad I don't mind I've explained this before there's no C in the Irish alphabet so that's why there's no K in the Irish alphabet so we'll use a C got it you did answer this once before Let's see if the same answer Worst note a director has ever given you Oh God, what did I say before?

38:39Cillian Murphy:I don't want to do that again Whatever I said before You said a director once asked Am I a good director? Oh Jesus, yeah Remember that one? That's pretty bad Yeah Who's the actor currently that makes you happy? You see them on screen Puts you in a good mood Oh

38:58Cillian Murphy:That kid Cooper Hoffman is really, really good He's good Yeah, he's really, really good who else um did you ever work with with phil no no no no i mean one of my heroes everybody every actor worth a strike obsessed what's your favorite phil hoffman performance film it was funny when i was coming over on the plane my son was watching um talented mr ripley so i was like reading my book but you know like watching the movie i i with the sound off yeah and then Phil Simmerhoff and popped up and he's just in everything every single thing I mean even those little sort of cameo-ish roles oh yeah Punch Drunk Love Punch Drunk Love I mean he's just he was like phenomenal yeah but anyway Cooper I think is pretty amazing movie that makes you sad oh movie that makes me sad what made me cry there was something that fuck

39:58fuck what was it I can't remember. It's okay. It's all good. Good. And are any foods lately that make you confused?

40:08Cillian Murphy:What did I say the last thing? I don't want to give you hints. I know the answer, but. I don't. Okay, here's one for you. Why do Americans put cinnamon on everything? I mean, I know I'm in Canada. Yeah, too much. A little cinnamon, though? No. I ordered some oatmeal, and it just tasted a cinnamon. Yeah. Well, cinnamon's powerful, so a little goes a long way. Yeah, but I didn't ask for it. Don't get angry with me. Screaming.

40:36Okay, cinema, for the record. Most importantly, Steve. Let's spread the good word one more time. Theaters, September 19th, I believe. 19th, yeah. See, if you can in a cinema, I mean, it's always great to do that. Yes, please. And it played with a crowd for me, and it's a beautiful piece of work. And then a gajillion people can see this on Netflix. That's one of the beauties of Netflix. On the third of October. October 3rd. Yeah. congratulations, man. I really appreciate the time always. Thanks, man. And a hat next time coming your way. Okay.

41:04Cillian Murphy:Can't wait. Something to look forward to. Thanks, buddy. Nice. Thanks for Josh.

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43:12David, Tom, it's good to see you both. We're in Toronto. We're spreading the good word of your movie. We're hours from your premiere. No pressure. How you feeling? God, yeah, good. Good. I speak for myself, I'm very excited. I feel like we're with the whole team and it's good to be reunited at TIFF. It is. It's such a special place, man. We're talking about movies and it's fun. So, yeah, we're loving it. And the movie is great. I can personally admit that they gave me a sneak peek. When I saw you two were going to be together in something like this, I mean, you're, I've said this often, Mike, I'm big fans of both of yours.

43:44You're killing it. And to see you guys together in this, it's a special piece of work. So let's talk before we get into Wasteman specifically, just like premieres. You've been to all manner of premieres in your career. I would imagine some intense ones. This is going to be a different vibe than Hunger Games or an Alien premiere. What premieres in your careers have stood out that you felt kind of the pressure or excitement in your life? I think he might have just said it, man. I think, yeah, those kind of movies, there's a different thing that comes with them. Do you know what I mean? Like the people kind of put something on it.

44:18But this particular one is special because it feels personal, almost. You know what I mean? Like small, but we make this for nothing in 18 days in a prison. So, yeah, this one in particular feels really special. Yeah, just second. I think we've both done probably one each of the big blockbuster things that come with a built-in fan base, which is its own pressure, because you want to please them and honour the thing they love. but this is cool because we get to like bring something completely fresh to people who have never seen it before and it was a labor of love so it feels and it's on the screen so you said 18 days shot in prison I was gonna ask what you already shot this this is not a soundstage you can feel it it's palpable it's a bit of both actually wasn't it was it really well well done then congratulations but talk to me like you guys are at such interesting points in your respective careers you have a lot of exciting opportunities at your feet and I love that you're doing something like this that is like a smaller passion project give me a sense for both of you um why how you want to focus your efforts on something like this you know i i don't know um how you feel tom but i really do feel like you know we're we feel i feel really lucky and blessed to be doing the projects i'm doing a hundred percent but i still feel like i'm making a body of work you know things to feel proud of and look back and be like oh i was able to do that and do this and do that so this particular one again it felt that's something I haven't done before and that feels really gratifying talking about someone I haven't seen you play before you've played some not so nice folks before but this guy's a little bit different, this guy's pretty extreme how much of it is about the character and how much of it is about working with David, give me a sense of this is the closest part to me I've ever played I was going to say the others are the ACA documentary reality TV here while he's doing drama yeah you have to take the tattoos off for this yeah I've actually covered up the tattoos for this no it's like I mean I read the script in it and I was just gravitated towards D I was like I want to play that part he's um he's wild he's feral he's like he's kind of always cooking like you never even when he's quiet I think he's most dangerous when he's quiet because you never know what he's gonna snap at he's just like a coiled wire um and it's so fun to play um and it's heavy it's dark like the stuff he does this the way he manipulates is um is intense and i think we've probably spoken about this before but i like to i like to go to places that i would never go in in my real life and get into the psyche of that and the why of that um and you know you know like getting to play with david and even though like the material itself is quite heavy um we had a lot of fun doing it yeah i would hope so because you don't want to live this 24 7 even in those 18 days that's a that's a dark place to live yeah how much of it is it also about like shining the light on like this world right we've seen a lot of like prison dramas and and um you know folks of different stripes that are you know incarcerated in the cyclical nature of the of the system both in the u.s and the uk um but i don't what was important for you to kind of like shine a light on for Taylor for D I think I think you know we we spoke a lot about this movie and what it means because the last thing I think you want to do when you're playing with something that feel that is incredibly real like the justice system is be like voyeuristic and kind of make it you know like do play houses exactly we the name the word that kept coming up quite a lot when we were rehearsing was like masculinity and and you know these men who are in the prison system my character in particular is feeling a lot but you know the masculinity of it kind of pushes it right down especially in a pressure cooker like a prison justice system so yeah for me I you know getting into it again like I lost some weight to play him and Tom games

48:36300 pounds collective We share a scale But no it was you know it nonetheless for both of us to think you know It was about who these guys are on the inside and what they can't show and therefore what how do they act? So yeah, that was that was the joy of this and we work with some real prisoners, you know I'd say like about 50 to 75 % of the actors on our set were. Yeah, I'd say that like there were more ex incarcerated people than actual actors, which was like - That keeps you on your toes. Like you walk into an actual prison, you're working opposite, you're staring at someone that's lived this life.

49:15You don't wanna be the one to fuck it up. And it keeps you true because you don't wanna be a fraud. Like, I mean, as an actor, you never wanna be a fraud, but like when you're making something that is so visceral and like harms so many people, you know, The prison system is supposed to be about like reforming people and making them get back out into the world But it's most the time it's not most the time it does more damage than then I mean that's the obviously like the exception to the rule There are some prisons out there that are like experimenting with like actually helping people But our film is not about one of those prisons No And so so yeah, it kept us true.

49:47I think like we worked with this charity called switchback, which is a British like prison reform charity and also working with people who were incarcerated. And they kind of started off as our consultants. And then Cal was like, we want the guys we're talking to in the film and brought them in and are scattered throughout the film in various roles. And they all do amazing performances as well, which is crazy. But yeah, I think it just kept us honest. So when you know so much of this is going to rest on your partner and you've done films where, whether it's Kaylee or Rachel Zegler, where it's like you've got a partner in crime and in a different way here you have one um like what's what's i don't know if you guys knew each other or not but like do you suss each other out do you like ask mutuals like what's the process before you dive into working so closely together well we we yeah tom and i we we share an agent together and we became fast friends and not only and he's going to hate me doing this but not only do i really respect his work he's like just a stellar person and what we realized is you know when you when you go in our film is uh it's not it's not an easy watch you know what i mean it's quite intense and the work that we did because we just said about having the the weight of like trying to make something that feels very honest and real there was no space for like um we didn't fake anything you know what i mean like even like our fight sequences was like really real what we realized quickly was that you need trust and and there's no one I could have trusted or asked to work with in this capacity than Tom it was it meant everything to have someone like him not just to be able to trust but also like to go as deep as possible into these characters so yeah I do feel I feel I trust is the this kind of the word of the day with this this project especially because yeah we both had to go there in different ways where you had to go deeply, deeply into yourself to, to mine out some real pain and trauma.

51:43And I had to like push myself beyond limits. I've pushed myself before and kind of bounce off the walls and be brave and be ugly. Like D is a pretty ugly person inside, like, and out sometimes, but, but, um, never out.

51:59There are some ugly moments for sure. Um, and it's like it requires like not feeling judged and I think like you know definitely we just had each other's backs I mean I feel like I've got a new best mate off the back of this so again especially now that I know it's like literally 18 days like there's no room there's that you can't like figure it out on day six like you have to hit the ground running which truly yeah I mean we're texting each other all the time that we should do this we're constantly looking for for projects to do together so so these kind of like the worst imagined roommate ever you don't want him like I mean you're literally like a nightmare yeah did you decide to room together for solidarity those 18 days.

52:33We should have. We might have missed the trick there. I mean, it's fair we probably would have eaten each other alive. It was such a go, go, go production. We did share cars on the way home and we'd kind of like decompress after a long day. How do you decompress? Is there music involved? What's the way that you click off of something? We just spoke. We just spoke, you know. I've got to be honest, it is amazing making movies, man. We love it. But part of making movies is like talking about making movies. And like, and like getting to the heart of like, you know, what is good, what is bad, what is tough and all those things.

53:08And Tom and I just, but just, that was like, I think our bonding. Okay. I want to dip into a little of that cause I want to eavesdrop on what these conversations are. Cause this is, I love this stuff too. And part of the reason I want to talk to you guys is not only again, this great film, but like, again, where you guys are at. And I'm so excited for both of you. And you've so impressed me with what you've been doing the last few years. But like, do you, I don't know do you swap stories like audition stories like oh my god I had this nightmare audition like I don't know what's what are the points that actors of your stripe where do you connect I mean we're kind of fortunate because we we started this project like already friends and are both at kind of pretty similar places in our careers I'd say so um and we both like I worked with Francis Lawrence on the Hunger Games and then literally straight after Wasteman DJ went over to do the long walk with Francis.

53:55And so we have so many people in common, so many experiences in common. And we could get a glass of wine and just sit and talk all night, the two of us. So most of it is just like swapping war stories. And yeah. What about, if we pick you guys against each other, Radha or Juilliard, which is tougher, which is the better training ground. That's really funny. How long were your days? My days were, all right, some days we'd literally go from like 6am until like 10pm okay fair enough that's long did you work Saturdays though yeah I'm done okay fair enough I'm fictional Josh it's not a competition yeah yeah yeah you had a good run um okay so talk you're an EP on this I know you're writing another series I mean again you guys are having more and more opportunities like you think about kind of like the box set of the work it sounds like you're like you know you've done the franchise thing you're going to do more franchise things i'm sure but i don't know what is the is there is there an actor is there a career to emulate like where are your heads at in terms of the next five ten years of the kind of career you want to carve out well you know josh i really do feel like um there's so many actors people that i love and directors i would of course love to work with part of me is always scared to talk about them because i feel like you know it's like you're jinxing it.

55:16I don't know why. I've had a lot of history with this. Sometimes you manifest these things when you talk about it out loud. I'm just saying. I'm just far too shy, Josh. But I also feel, and Tom and I, I think we'd be open about saying this. I hope I'm not saying anything. It's too personal. But we're trying to also do it a bit different, you know, and feel like you're carving out your own path. Sometimes it's so nice, like meeting people that I love and being like, you know, tell me, like, what should I be doing? Telling me this and then also I'm like forget that do what feels right to you yeah so I think the juggling of that is what makes for the little things I've been doing so far I feel like you emulate this as well I am later from you is this just like looking for versatility and diversity of roles like never doing the same thing twice or if you do it's for a different reason yeah I mean we've both done the big sci-fi blockbuster we've both done rom-coms now like you know It's just keeping it fresh and testing yourself and seeing the limits of what you can do.

56:17And I'm just always looking to transform a little bit, even if it's micro transformations. Yeah, absolutely. For your next one, I'm going to probably talk to you about is people we meet on vacation talk about a much different kind of a film. Are the fans of that as intense as the Hunger Games fans? Have you encountered that fandom? Do you feel connected with it? I'm yet to properly find out, but I get the sense they might be more intense. I'm starting to garner that they might be a bit more intense. but in a good way, in a good way. I'm your friend, please like her, like me, like me. Please love me, please love her.

56:50Have you read the other Emily Henry works that you kind of dive into in that world? I haven't read any of her other books. I just read this one while we were shooting. But yeah, I mean, honestly, it's probably not something I would have read had I not been offered the film. But then that's the beauty of this job as well, is you get to discover stuff that you wouldn't otherwise. And I did that because I came off the back of Wasteman and plain clothes before it and two pretty intense experiences. Yeah, and I was just feeling quite heavy and yeah, heavy. I was feeling pretty like weighed down by them.

57:23Yeah. And you know, not in like a self, not taking myself too seriously, but just like you take it with you a little bit every time you do a really heavy role. Sure. And I was like, oh, I need to shake it off and do something light and fun. Yeah. Was that why you did Rye Lane? Was that like, what was your reason? Oh, I mean, Rye Lane was my first movie. Was it your first movie? Yeah, that was my first film, man. Yeah, so I just, I kind of, I didn't expect Rylane to be Rylane. I just was desperate to get into movies, you know? Sometimes it works out. It's no surprise, it's no surprise both of you have been rumored associated with like Marvel and DC projects.

57:57There was talk about you for Clayface. There's been a lot of talk about you in Marvel. Have you ever met Kevin Feige? Have you ever met Ryan Coogler, David? Why are we doing this, Chuck? Because we're spreading the good word to Wasteman. this is the cost no I mean no I know to be honest with you I haven't but um you know I just I just love making movies and they've made I live I know you think I'm being diplomatic I'm not actually I'm being honest and you know you just said Ryan Coogler come on I've watched Sinners like five times yes and also if we're gonna do this come on Josh let's go it's proof out yeah he's three or four four for four whatever he's done yeah it's ridiculous so no i just again those people whatever they're doing i'm there does the i like if that real email comes through and says would you want to talk about black panther i mean that's i mean i don't know if you ever met chadwick but like i mean talk about an icon icon icon on and off the screen i if you're genuinely going to ask me about someone who i really do respect and lift high Chadwick a million times over talk about icons I'm sure Rafe has come to you for help he just wants up text can you text me asking me for pointers and advice and stuff I'm like dude calm down you're supposed to know what you're doing crazy thing but it's an amazing thing.

59:26Yeah, no, Rafe has not talked to me at all. Which I'm fine with. No, he's like truly one of my heroes. So, and like, I just don't think, like in terms of like British actors alive today, you don't really get better than like, than Rafe finds. Yeah, what a crazy call. I mean, obviously I was like slightly gutted not to be coming back yet for The Hunger Games. And, but at the same time, I was like, I was kind of relieved I was like it's nice to have some separation from it and then I go and do their thing and we'll see where it where it goes in the future But um, yeah, pretty cool like person to hand the mantle over pretty good too So so a waste man style fight to the death what only one of you can be James Bond Are you gonna wrestle right here ago just kill each other to for that role?

1:00:12Denis is doing it's not just James Bond Denis is doing it guys That's wild, that's amazing And and Stephen Knight's doing the script is this? Yeah, so that's that's like a recipe for success we'll definitely watch it we'll share it we'll share it 007 and a half it's a funny 007 it's a funny comedy yes that sounds right yeah yeah I'll take it yeah you both are going to come on Happy Second Fuse solo so I can really dive into each of your respective careers I promise you but we're going to do the profoundly random questions anyway just because I have you guys here cool some rapid fire dogs or cats dogs dogs we were just with some puppies today at TIFF and yeah Yeah, we both like fawning.

1:00:53That's why we're late. Yeah, yeah. All you get is me, sadly, here. What do you collect, if anything? Ooh. I collect lighters. Do you? Big lighter fam. I just got my first Zippo off the back of a job as like a... Like a rap gift. Yeah, a rap gift. But I don't really collect anything anymore. I used to collect rocks as a kid. Okay. Yeah. Do either of you have a favorite video game of all time? GTA. I was going to say Grand Theft Auto 2. Yeah, yeah. Not that we can do on violence, but you know, it's... We've just made a very violent Have you seen Waste Man? You're right, we don't Dakota Johnson Memorial Question She asked me this, I ask everybody Would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

1:01:36One bee in my butt I think, good question That's existential isn't it? Blimey Are they there forever? Sure, it's going to be there forever That's a different question I'll do be in my butt. It might even be invigorating. Who knows? Never say never, right? A little pep in your stuff. You won't need coffee anymore. What's the wallpaper on your phones? Mine's my girlfriend. Mine's mine. The same. Mine's me. Mine's your girlfriend. Just to clarify. She keeps trying to break us up. I know, I know. Mine's my girlfriend, David.

1:02:23I was mistaken for Paul today yeah because we were both coming in and out at the same time and maybe dress like similar but like he came in I went out like and someone was like Paul and I was like nope and he was like oh there were worse people there are worse yeah I mean he's great I've got I've got I've got have get mistaken for dams and Idris sometimes and He is brilliant man killing it. So fine fine fine Rapids my best friend too. Yeah What's the worst note a director has ever given you Worst and best no actually was do it better Someone actually said to me do it better and I was like terrible note, but I was also like yeah, I think I can So I did yeah, sometimes that is actually what you need to be fair Yeah, mine would be like when they go bigger I'm like a bigger how you know, right?

1:03:23That's always a true Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then in the spirit of happy second fused an actor who always makes you happy you see them on screen You're instantly in a better mood Jack Black I suppose is a good one for that for Happy Seth Rogen oh yeah I'm just obsessed with him movie that makes you sad oh my goodness The Boy in the Striped Pajamas I know that's such a basic answer but it's just like the saddest film ever yeah Carol oh yeah good one nice and a food that makes you confused oh you don't get it why do people eat that oh my god oysters I do like them but then sometimes they're just so fishy.

1:04:05I hear you. Yeah, I had a bad experience in Louisiana with an oyster. That sounds like the beginning of a song. Yeah, the name of my memoir. It was just Max Port de Catara. It's like a Tom Petty song. I would say, yeah, pineapples on pizzas. Oh no. That's a dividing line. Come on. That's like cilantro for people. Where do you stand? I'm okay with both cilantro and pine. I mean, I wouldn't ever order it, but I don't mind if I'm part of that. Do you have the soapy mouth thing with cilantro? You know, that's the thing. Yeah, yes, I have. I love it. Love it. Also, we don't say cilantro. What do we call it again?

1:04:43Coriander. Coriander, yeah, yeah. He's been working in America quite a long. I was going to say, what happened to you? I'm confused and happy and sad. There it is. He just earned his next booking on the podcast. Thank you so much. I set him up. I set him up. You both are coming back. congratulations Wasteman is exceptional I know it's going to get distribution soon so the rest of the world can see it and it's good to catch up with you guys Josh thank you so much a pleasure really cheers thank you guys and so ends another edition of Happy Sad Confused remember to review rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts I'm a big podcast person I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't supposed to do this by Josh

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