THE MATRIX reunion with Laurence Fishburne & Joe Pantoliano

17:25Laurence Fishburne:You had a plan. You knew what you were doing. I knew what I was doing, but it's really intuitive. I'm not somebody who, like, spends a lot of time doing research or any of that stuff. It's just the script was so unique, and I understood the concept of one world and the other world, and I understood anime as a fan. I love science fiction, so I just went with my gut. The writing is gorgeous. You know, that whole speech when he goes, you can feel it when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. I mean, that shit is gorgeous, right? So it was, and the other thing, the other thing about that scene is my silent partner in that scene, Keanu, is beautiful in that fucking scene.

18:16Laurence Fishburne:As I'm like, the first time I saw it in 99 when it came out, I forgot about all the metaphysical and spiritual and religious and all the symbolism and stuff that's in it. And because we worked so hard training, you know, all I can remember was how sore I was from the action we did. So when that scene happened, I was like, and he offers him the pill. My internal dialogue was, don't trust him, don't fucking take that pill.

18:52Laurence Fishburne:It's a different movie.

18:57Laurence Fishburne:I mean, I'm offering these pills. You really shouldn't take either one though. Don't do it! Don't do it, man! Bad idea. What did both of you guys make of Keanu, like right from the start? I mean, he's such a singular performer. There's nobody like Keanu Reeves. No, that's the thing. There's nobody like Keanu Reeves. Keanu Reeves is like a shooting star that appears in the sky once and it burns really, really, really, really brightly and we all just get to watch. Yeah? Yeah. So you were alluding to this earlier, Joe, like stepping onto the sets. Again, that probably gives you a sense of like, okay, now I kind of get it.

19:42Laurence Fishburne:Now I'm in this other world. How much did the sets, the costumes, the accoutrements kind of like get you in the zone to play Cypher?

19:55Joe Pantoliano:It was everything, but it was just a sinking feeling when I walked onto that set. Like, oh my God, what did I do over in the Matrix? If I could have only seen this place first, it would have made major adjustments. But, yeah, I'm always, you know, I'm an external actor. I work from the shoes up. And it kind of defines the internal workings. And I'm always trying to look at the connection of me inside the character. And the idea that I remember like making a note that everyone in the Nebuchadnezzar had a clear, extraordinary commitment to Morpheus's journey. And there was no doubt. And I chose that I was full of doubt.

21:03Joe Pantoliano:and rage and bitterness, you know, because I chose to be in love with Trinity. That's never written. It's never talked about. And to make a deal with the devil and betray the people I love and then never have any memory. I'm always arguing with my fans about this. Who wouldn't take that deal? Also, the thing with the Wachowskis, when this moron, Cypher, he says, I want to be somebody important, like an actor.

21:39Laurence Fishburne:So good. What a loser. Again, you're talking about a screen partner, you know, having Keanu in that, having Hugo, the contrast, again, this measured, very specific delivery, which, again, such a choice. And pays off, but like, you know, you're actors, you know, when you're out on a limb, he was going for it. He was doing a thing. What did you make of it? Do you have any recollection of like seeing Hugo do that cadence, the way he was speaking and what you made of it at the time? Yeah, because he's nothing like that, you know.

22:11Joe Pantoliano:And so I got to know Hugo as Hugo, you know, during all the rehearsals and hanging out. And we've shot in Sydney in his hometown. And then this guy shows up. Same thing with Lawrence.

22:28Joe Pantoliano:Lawrence's characterization is so specific and regal and I was just putting on a leather jacket and talking like Joey pants.

22:41Laurence Fishburne:I don't know about that. Well, let's talk about the leather jacket and the looks for both of you. Did you have any say on like was the goatee like your choice, the facial hair or did the Wachowskis have very specific, I would imagine they had specific ideas on wardrobe? But like, was there any exchange on either of your looks in the film?

22:57Joe Pantoliano:Yeah, yeah.

22:59Laurence Fishburne:Yeah, I mean, you know, Kim Barrett did an incredible job. I mean, all the silhouettes she had, you know, they had designed, you know, and they're gorgeous.

23:11Laurence Fishburne:I was looking at the storyboards that they had for us. And in the storyboards, Morpheus's mask, I call it, the glasses were on and the guy was making them and he handed me the glasses and they had stems on them. And I went, those aren't the glasses. And he was like, what do you mean? I was like, look at the storyboard. There's no stems on those glasses. And he's like, oh, how are we going to keep them on your face? I was like, it's not my problem, son. Not my department, sorry. That's why they look like that. Do you have any of the glasses? Do you have any of the watch? I have one pair of the original glasses.

23:58Laurence Fishburne:And I gave one pair away to a young boy who was suffering with cancer, who was about 11 years old or something, way back then. And he wanted to meet me. It was a make-a-wish thing. I gave him his glasses. And for you, Joe, any recollection of arriving at Cypher's look, wardrobe, facial hair, was there a give and take or?

24:26Joe Pantoliano:Joe Piazza - They really wanted this thing here.

24:31Laurence Fishburne:Soul patch kind of thing.

24:33Joe Pantoliano:Joe Piazza - But I forgot and I shaved it off and when I showed up. They said, where's your, where, so we started out with a piece, you know, and then we let it grow out. The boots, I was over at their office and I had these cowboy boots that were made somewhere in Brentwood. And they said, oh, those boots. So they, you know, they used my boots. But the glasses was very important to Kim with everyone's glasses.

25:07Laurence Fishburne:Yeah, with every character.

25:08Joe Pantoliano:Very important to her. She worked from there and then worked her way down.

25:12Laurence Fishburne:Was there any talk loosely on that film? Again, you're kind of like a$50 million production out in the middle of nowhere. Wachowski's had no real resume to speak of. Was there talk of like, oh, this could be a franchise? We have other ideas for stories? I think they shared a lot of that with Keanu and Hugo. I wasn't aware of it until we were done with the first movie. And for, in the script, so let's, so Cypher's End, definitive in the script? What do you remember? They lied to me.

25:39Joe Pantoliano:They fucking lied. You know. Let's get to the good stuff. I made the mistake of telling them the fugitive story when I convinced Andy Davis not to kill me. Right. And then, you know, and Harrison was saying, you know, it's great, but if you get killed, you know, they'll feel sorry for you. And I said, what if there's a sequel? And Harrison smiled. He says it's not gonna be a sequel because I won't do this piece of shit again And I said famously well fuck you we'll just chase some other 20 million dollar asshole through the woods And and and then harris you know it came out. They said you're doing it.

26:13Joe Pantoliano:You're doing it So I told that to the Wachowskis so So then I I was talking to Lily on the phone and I said hey, you can't kill me, right? You're not gonna kill me and And Lily said, hey Lana, you know, he doesn't want us to kill him. And I heard Lana off camera, like knowing that I could hear this, and she said, well, just lie to him and we'll kill him later.

26:49Laurence Fishburne:But on screen it's not 100 % definitive, is it? I mean, if you really look at it.

26:55Joe Pantoliano:Don't get me started, all right? They brought fucking Agent Smith back. You know, it's a matrix. We insert his body. Yes. It's not too late. It's not too late. It's never too late. Never too late.

27:09Laurence Fishburne:Where's Cypher today? How's Cypher doing? What do you think? Living his best life? On the mend? What? What? He's an actor with an Oscar. He's an actor with an Oscar, they say.

27:21Joe Pantoliano:Yeah, you should have played Cypher.

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30:52Laurence Fishburne:You mentioned the training, Lawrence. I mean, the epic fights, the epic kung fu sequence like with Keanu. I know a lot of work, needless to say, went into that. Give me a little sense of what it was like to shoot that, what went into it, and I'm also curious about the now iconic beckoning move. That's in the script? That's in the choreography from the start, or what? No. So the training was a lot. It was long and hard, and we worked in a warehouse in the valley somewhere, and we had a mattress, and we had some bars, like the bars over there. and we would stretch in the morning for two hours and then we would do choreography for two hours and then we'd have lunch and then we'd go and do weight training and we trained like athletes.

31:44Laurence Fishburne:And the Hong Kong stunt team, Master Wu Ping and his guys, they trained us harder, they made us work harder in training than we would ever have to do when we were on camera, which is why it works and looks so good.

32:01Laurence Fishburne:And this is kind of two things that I put in the fight. And Keanu put something in the fight where we both stole from the same actor. So this is my version of Bruce. This is Bruce Lee. And Keanu does this and that's his version of Bruce Lee. And then I did my version of Ali's shuffle in the dojo fight as well. Well, not only that, they, yes, come on. Film history. But they obviously then incorporated the callback at the end. Yeah, with Hugo and Keanu, yeah, yeah. So you did more than your share, man. You should get a bonus for that one. It's, you know, it's all in the collaboration. It's just, you know, it's the shit that you do because you want to have people have the same kind of feeling that those movies that you watched gave you, you know.

33:06Laurence Fishburne:Do either of you remember the first time you saw the film? Was it pre-premiere? Was it at the premiere?

33:13Joe Pantoliano:We all saw it together. They, at the Lantana at Santa Monica, I think we got to see it the night before they were going to show it to the studio. Is that right?

33:22Laurence Fishburne:I can't remember, man. I remember seeing it in New York because I was doing a play. I was doing Lion and Winter here and I couldn't be at the premiere. And I saw it here. I went to see it with an audience here in like Times Square. And I was, you know, the hat down and just hiding out because nobody knew what it was. you know, Lorenzo de Bonaventura, the story is he showed the script to I guess the green light men at Warner Brothers and they were like, we don't understand it. And he was like, nobody under 30 understands it, it's okay.

34:01Laurence Fishburne:Do you remember, like, I mean, again, you read the script, you're on the set, but it's a whole other thing what this is all put together, Joe. I mean, like, It must have been just a real treat. That's the goal of an actor. That's the dream of an actor, to see everything plussed up to the nth degree. You must have been so relieved and satisfied when you saw it.

34:22Joe Pantoliano:Well, you know, I have really bad taste. So when I saw it, I thought, this is, you know, this is what they were talking about. This is wonderful.

34:36Joe Pantoliano:But mentioning Lorenzo and all of these young executives that really put their asses on the line. If this movie, you know, a lot of great movies that don't open, if this movie opens and people don't show up, there's all of those careers that go on bye-bye, you know? And so it really needed to have a happy ending. It needed to open. And, you know, and so when it did, I was incredibly relieved for all of these pioneers. I mean, executives like that, nobody's doing that anymore. Everybody's so frightened. They want to go with the safe and the easy. So that was a big gamble, even with the heads of the studio at that time.

35:19Joe Pantoliano:And the fact that they shot it in Australia really creatively kept those voices at bay.

35:31Laurence Fishburne:No, I mean, it's so true. We don't get new matrixes as it were original stories unless someone takes a bit of a gamble and and Hollywood has gotten so so safe and It's scary to think about like, you know going forward where the where's the next Wachowskis unless someone takes a shot and it happens It just happens less than ever generally like once every 25 years. Yeah So I alluded to the fandom at the start. What do fans bring up when they see you and they want to talk about the Matrix? Do you get a quote? Do you get a conversation? You must have had innumerable fan encounters over the years. Do any stick out for you?

36:15I always get red pill or blue pill.

36:20Laurence Fishburne:People think they're saying hello to me when they say that. I realize that's what that means from them. And I'm kind of like, well, it's always a purple pill day, isn't it? There it is.

36:40Laurence Fishburne:I mean, Joey, you have one of those resumes that they could bring up a thousand different things, but can you tell a Matrix fan coming from down the road?

36:49Joe Pantoliano:This weekend I've gotten maybe a half a dozen friends that have come up and admitted that they would have taken the blue pill. You know, yeah, you were right, you were right, you were right.

37:08Laurence Fishburne:Have you guys seen, you must have seen fan art over the years too of your characters? Yeah, there's some really amazing. Tattoos, the whole thing? Amazing fan art, man. It's been amazing. I mean, that was, remember the tattoo that we saw? That someone has? You guys saw a tattoo the other day, you're saying? It was not, no, it was back then. I think it was after we did the first movie. But someone showed us a photograph of someone who had me and Carrie Ann and Keanu tattooed on themselves, which was, like, really kind of mind-blowing for me, you know. As somebody who doesn't have ink, I was like, wow, that's okay, you know.

37:44Laurence Fishburne:Is there an actor or character that if you had to tattoo on your body you would do? I'm forcing you at gunpoint. Joey, Lawrence, you have to get this tattoo. Who would it be? You have to shoot me.

38:01Joe Pantoliano:No, I just have my kids on my arm. But there is an old girlfriend that I covered up with a leaf.

38:14Laurence Fishburne:I hope she had a short name. It was a...

38:18Joe Pantoliano:There's a guy, the Goonies. There's a Goonie guy that his entire body and he came, he comes to the conventions and so he had me, he had my character here and then he had me sign it with a sharpie and then he tattoos it. So he has everybody's signature as well. Sweet. Yeah.

38:43Laurence Fishburne:Wow. Again, commitment. Loaf. That's loaf. Yeah. Of course, Matrix spawned a bunch of sequels, obviously Reloaded Revolutions, Lawrence, you were a part of them. Talk to me a little bit about, I don't know, your perspective on those two. Those are ginormous undertakings we could spend hours on in and of itself. But, you know, again, we went back to Australia, you know, and we knew that we had to sort of match what we had done. And there's, you know, there's some great stuff in both of those movies. I like Revolutions of those two. There's something about revolutions, I can't put my finger on what it is, but I think it's when Keanu was blind.

39:39Laurence Fishburne:And I think that whole thing, going to the city of the machines and all that, I thought was kind of fascinating. But nobody had done it like that before. We were the first ones to work with, we were the first Western actors to work in the Hong Kong style of action. Yeah. With the first movie. And then, you know, they created Bullet Time. Yep. They came up with bullet time. And they were the people that really pushed the digital component with John Gaeta and his visual effects team to create Zion, to create the Sentinels. So, you know, we knew we were involved in something that was groundbreaking and it was evident that it had changed movie making right away because there's no movie that comes after The Matrix that's a sci-fi action or fantasy movie that's not been influenced by it.

40:39Laurence Fishburne:It's everywhere. It's so pervasive, you almost forget where it came from at this point. Yeah, now people don't realize, but no Matrix, no MCU. Like, doesn't look the same. In what way do you see, when you're watching MCU films, do you see The Matrix? It's in terms of the quality of the action, the time that they spend to train, to get the actors in shape, the commitment that they have, the graphics that they're able to put on the screen, the things that they're able to create on screen using both practical things and digital art, doesn't exist without The Matrix. The Matrix is the blueprint for all of that.

41:23Laurence Fishburne:Do you have a favorite? You have some great speeches in the sequels. In the second one, there's some epic speeches you get to make. Do you have a favorite? I like the one that ends with, isn't that worth living for? Isn't that worth dying for? Lawrence, you know, I printed it out for you if you want to give it a go right now. I have it right here. I have it. I have it. Do you want to look at it? If you want to play it, you can play it. I'm not going to make him do it. He needs time to prep. He needs time to prep. Yeah, I can't just, you know. He's not a cold reader. It's not like saying, you think that's air you're breathing now?

42:01Laurence Fishburne:It's not as easy as that. Fair enough, fair enough. I want to be friends in the future. It's okay.

42:07Joe Pantoliano:The other thing about what they did, it was the ballet. It was a continuous. There wasn't a lot of cuts. It wasn't a fest. It was like, it was all in one most of the time because the actors, this is the first time where the actors were actually doing the Kung Fu. And then as a result of its success, everybody copied it, but poorly and badly and with, you know, multi-cuts and, you know, tight shots. And if you look at the Matrix, it really is a symphony compared to what we see today.

42:47Laurence Fishburne:Well, yeah, I mean the sheer amount of time that went into all these facets the training you guys did It's like there's no shortcut to that. It's not the same. No, there isn't so we did the dojo fight We trained for six months before we got to Australia. We got to Australia We continued practicing the fight for at least four months before we shot it And then we shot it over like three days and we had never done it full out like we had always marked it. We had never really used all of our physical energy to do it. So we shot it, I think it was on a Friday, the first time we took a shot at it. And by the end of however many takes that we did, both Keanu and I were black and blue.

43:33We were bruised on our forearms

43:36Laurence Fishburne:because we had never made contact like that before. So that's how committed we all were to doing this thing, because we knew that they had a vision, and they communicated with us very well that what they were trying to do was something that nobody had seen before. Also, just like on a basic fun level, no one has ever looked cooler in a film, Lawrence, than you as Morpheus. Like, I mean, you acknowledge that. Like that silhouette, as you say, the way they photograph you, it's instantly iconic. Well, thank you. I mean, I have to say that Omar Sharif and Peter O'Toole look cooler than I did. It's good company to be in, at least.

44:24Laurence Fishburne:Look, the film was a phenomenon, obviously. We're still talking about it to this day. The box office was huge. It was actually, you know, for its time for a film of that, it won four Oscars. They were all technical Oscars. Do you feel like it got its due? I feel like if it came out today, actually, there's a little bit, at least, awards-wise, more acceptance. At least a little bit. I don't think so, because it's science fiction fantasy, and nobody was taking science fiction fantasy seriously in that way in terms of performance, in terms of story, in terms of ... because it's fantasy, right? So it's escape.

44:58Laurence Fishburne:It's escapism. What's really honestly crazy is how relevant it is now with our real world and our virtual world and our real lives and our virtual lives, that's what's trippy. That it really does speak to all of that. Yeah, I literally just did a panel with James McAvoy and Elliot Page here like an hour and a half ago and I asked Elliot about films that influenced him growing up and it was Matrix because it was cool and it was actually about real, like deep ideas. That's what some people forget. Sure, it's the coolest movie ever made but it's heady stuff It is. That you can like do a PhD dissertation on.

45:38Laurence Fishburne:Yeah, but you don't have to. You don't have to be involved in all that stuff. You can enjoy the fantasy of it without really deep diving into the deep stuff. You see it at 12, it blows your mind, then you return to it 10 years later and you're like, oh, let me dig into the deep stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Did you, so your relationship with Resurrections, obviously, I think some of us, fair to say, we were bummed we didn't get to see you back. Yeah, thank you. In Resurrections. Did you reach out? Did they reach out? I reached out. I reached out. It just didn't pan out. I said, thank you very much. Lana said, thank you very much.

46:14Laurence Fishburne:I'll think about it. That was that. Apparently, word on the street is Drew Goddard, a very accomplished writer, is working on a new Matrix film. Who's his? Drew Goddard? Really? Yeah.

46:26Joe Pantoliano:Oh, cool. You have his number?

46:38Laurence Fishburne:Joe Panagliano. He's still got it. He's got the timing down. Your game in principle. You're not over it. One more go around as Morpheus and Cypher, perhaps?

46:51Joe Pantoliano:Yeah, God. Yes.

46:53Laurence Fishburne:I mean, you know, it just depends on, you know, how good it is, really. If it's great, yeah. If it makes sense. I mean, I don't know if it makes sense, you know. And then just outside, I do want to mention beyond the Matrix for both of you, you guys have such amazing filmographies that touch these worlds. I mean, forget to be Perry White. I mean, unbelievable. Is that a moment like you step on that set? Yeah, I mean, just to be able to like, you know, say, you know, I'm talking to Kent, like to talk to Clark Kent is kind of, it's kind of, yeah, it's kind of cool, you know. Yeah. Man of Steel is a great movie.

47:35Laurence Fishburne:I agree. Man of Steel is a great movie. 100%. You've been in plenty from Daredevil to The Last of Us recently. I don't know if we're getting any more. Are we going to get any more flashbacks to your character in the future?

47:47Joe Pantoliano:The Last of Us? I don't think so. But I'm going to be in the new Wonder Man series.

47:59Laurence Fishburne:Both MCU veterans now. Yeah, that was just officially announced. I think the release date perhaps. So a good experience there. Yahya Abdul-Mateen.

48:07Joe Pantoliano:Oh, yeah. Yahya. And Sir Ben Kingsley. Come on. Just to hear him say my name. Joe Pantoliano.

48:19Laurence Fishburne:Did Sir Ben ever call you Joey Pants? Or no?

48:22Joe Pantoliano:No, he never did.

48:23Laurence Fishburne:Is there a level of familiarity that... He called me Lord Crowsers.

48:32Laurence Fishburne:That's like the ultimate friendship level. There's Joey pants and then there's more trousers.

48:37Joe Pantoliano:Yeah, at my age it's like, I can't be Joey. I'm 74, so it's Joseph trousers.

48:46Laurence Fishburne:Oh my God. I don't know how you got work done. So good. We're going to see you in The Witcher. You keep adding to the genre resume too. Yeah, I got this offer to be in The Witcher with Liam Hemsworth and I'm playing this character named Regis who's a vampire which is very interesting. First vampire on the resume? Yeah, yeah, first bloodsucker.

49:17Laurence Fishburne:It's going to be great, it's going to drop on Halloween. Amazing. Is there any franchise you said, I mean you earned the love of this crowd, You already had it, but at the start when you're mentioning Star Trek, Star Wars, everything, you're into all of it. Let's manifest something for you, Lawrence. There's still plenty of road to go. What do you need? What do you want? So I know that they're talking about the X-Men now. Who do you want? What do you want? At this point, I want one of two things. The first thing would be, what do you think about Lawrence Fishburne as Professor X?

50:03Laurence Fishburne:That could be cool. Approved. Green wits. That could be cool. And then, I don't know, I'm going to let you guys decide. I can't figure it out. Star Wars? At this point? Star Wars? No, I'm good. I'm watching everything. Do you watch it all? I'm watching every Star Wars. I'm in the middle of, what's it, Rebels now? Yeah. The animated one? I'm in the middle of Rebels now, man. I'm good on the couch with Star Wars. I don't need a lightsaber. Pew, pew! I don't need it. I enjoy it. But I don't need it. And then I think really, honestly, it's whatever then. Like people always ask me, what's your favorite thing you've ever done?

50:52Laurence Fishburne:And I'm always like, the next one. Whatever the next thing is. So I'm, it's been 25 years since The Matrix, and maybe some freak out there has got a strange movie they want to do, and it's, nobody knows if it'll work. I'm your guy.

51:17Laurence Fishburne:They are available for work. Get your crazy scripts ready. you guys it's been honestly a true honor to share the stage with you congratulations on everything in your career in particular though this 3000 plus crowd appreciates your work in the Matrix it stands the test of time it always will give it up one more time thank you everybody Lawrence Fishburne everybody thank you and so ends another edition of Happy Sad Confused remember to review rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts I'm a big podcast I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh.

52:28Laurence Fishburne:Switch.