In short
The “Frederick J. Brown” story revisited—how a huge painting titled Genesis 2 (painted December 1979) was found in a Brooklyn trash heap, authenticated, and ultimately donated to the Studio Museum in Harlem; plus why Brown’s work was overlooked and how it’s being re-canonized.
Guest backgrounds
Bentley (Fordham teacher; NYU Institute of Fine Arts PhD candidate; Frederick J. Brown’s son) and Lowry Sims (former first Black curator at the Met; longtime Studio Museum president; curator who championed overlooked artists).
Key claims
Maya’s painting was likely a gift from Sims; Sims couldn’t display it due to space and gave it away. Brown’s career suffered after a China retrospective; gatekeepers wanted a “readable” kind of Black art. The painting’s “fox” symbolism reflects survival in the art world.
Notable examples
Genesis 2’s figures (faces, airplane, fox/self-portrait), Brown’s Met collection Genesis 1, the 1988 China show at the National Museum of China, and the 2028 Phoenix Art Museum retrospective announcement.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODiscussion on Art Appreciation
0:45 to 1:47
The hosts engage in a lighthearted discussion about their appreciation and knowledge of art.
“I feel like a real dilettante around art, but I do like it.”
Mario Kart and Pandemic Escapes
3:08 to 4:26
The host recounts playing Mario Kart during the pandemic, blending gaming with social interactions.
“Visit your nearby Lowe's on South Loop 288 in Denton.”
Maya's Discovery of the Painting
4:26 to 6:21
A story unfolds about Maya finding an intriguing painting in the trash, leading to deeper questions about its origin.
“And chatting of any kind is another thing I'm not good at.”
Exploring the Painting's Background
6:21 to 8:08
The host visits Maya to learn more about the painting's history and significance in the art world.
“Not only has Maya worked in the art world for many years, at galleries, art publishers.”
The Relevance of the Painting
8:08 to 10:40
Maya shares the details about the painting, including its size and the emotions it evokes, while considering its past.
“You can see faces, and there's these horizontal bands that sort of organize the composition.”
The Search for Lowry Sims
10:40 to 12:20
Maya and the host discuss the importance of returning the painting to its original owner, Lowry Sims.
“Lightly scrawled on the back of the canvas, was an inscription.”
Connecting with Lowry Sims
12:20 to 14:11
Efforts to reach Lowry Sims reveal challenges and insights about the painting's journey and context.
“I explain that I have a painting I think belongs to her, but perhaps fearing I'm running some sort of con where I trade paintings for social security numbers, Lowry doesn't respond.”
The Significance of Genesis 2
15:31 to 18:18
Explore the legitimacy and history of a painting by Frederick Brown.
“It's not the response you'd expect of someone recognizing a beloved long-lost painting.”
Frederick Brown's Journey as an Artist
18:18 to 22:45
Learn about Frederick Brown's struggles, achievements, and legacy.
“So among the shapes and lines, you see faces, an airplane, and...”
The Politics of Black Art
22:45 to 23:45
Discuss the challenges Black artists face in the art world.
“that his father still doesn't have his rightful place in the canon.”
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Personal Connection to Art
23:45 to 24:44
Understand the emotional significance of the painting for Bentley.
“It's such a painful feeling when you know that, like, you have such a special world.”
Conversations About the Painting's History
26:59 to 28:03
Delve into the discussions surrounding the painting's origins and Lowry's curatorial journey.
“While Bentley was able to trace the path that led Frederick Brown's work to the metaphorical trash heap, I'm still wondering about the literal trash heap, the one on a Brooklyn sidewalk.”
Lowry's Journey as a Curator
28:03 to 30:06
Learn about Lowry's experiences as a Black curator at the Met and her efforts to elevate overlooked artists.
“As a curator, Lowry's mission was to champion the work of overlooked artists.”
The Impact of Frederick Brown's Art
30:06 to 33:12
Explore the enduring friendship between Lowry and Brown and the challenges faced in recognizing his work.
“And even after he died, Lowry continued to engage with Brown's work.”
The Journey of Genesis 2
33:12 to 36:13
Follow the story of the painting Genesis 2, its donation, and significance in art history.
“Maybe it was regifted to someone else or sold an estate sale or just lost in the general shuffle of life.”
Updates on Brown's Legacy
36:13 to 41:02
Hear about the future exhibitions and retrospective planned for Frederick J. Brown's work.
“On my way out, I noticed that the big wall above Maya's couch is still blank.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:06Pushkin.
0:11Hi. Hello. Today we're going to revisit an episode that I reported. It's called Frederick J. Brown. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's about art. It's about a painting. Amazing. I love art. You know that, right? Yeah, you're always talking about how much you love art. Is that true? No. Oh, I don't want to become one of those art boars. Are we talking about like fine art? I thought we were talking about fine art, yeah. There's all kinds of different art. Well, sure, this is art in a way. This conversation we're having right now. Well, let's not get crazy. I feel like a real dilettante around art, but I do like it.
0:50You like it. You wouldn't say you love it. I just don't know that I'm knowledgeable enough. You don't have to be. Okay. Then I guess I love it. Who do you think loves it more, me or you? Probably you. Really? Maybe just because of, this is going to sound rude, but your added years of experience. Sure, I've had a lot of time in the game of ogling art. You know, you might be surprised to learn that a person like myself, I'm not much of an art snob in the sense that I believe that everybody possesses artistic and creative ability. Wow, that's beautiful. Now I'm off my high horse. I'm going to get on my low horse, my show pony.
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3:18Mario Kart! Hey!
3:24Every Friday night during the pandemic, I'd get on a Google Hangout with a group of my boyfriend's friends, and we'd all play Mario Kart. Oh, uh, this guy? I'm going to do 150cc, spread the guy, there's no calm, six races. These Mario Kart sessions started back in the days when we could barely leave the house due to COVID restrictions. So it felt like an escape to log on, to carelessly careen in a small car, or cart, if you will, through a gold mine or off a waterfall. In those dark days, a few minutes on Mount Wario was the closest thing I could get to a vacation. Ready? Let's be back. That being said, I also found these Mario Kart hangouts deeply intimidating, because I'm not good at Mario Kart.
4:11My gameplay mostly sounds like this. Oh, no. Or this. Oh, no. Along with the Mario Karting, there was also non-Mario chatting. Oh, great. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Happy birthday, Brinkley. And chatting of any kind is another thing I'm not good at. Every so often, I'd weigh in with something like, Pretty crazy. This was essentially the extent of my engagement. Until the night, Maya told us about the painting. Maya found the painting sitting in a pile of trash on the sidewalk, and it grabbed her instantly. It was only later, when she took it home, that she saw the artist's signature, Frederick J. Brown.
4:57Although Maya works in art, the name was unfamiliar to her, so she googled him. And what popped up was a lengthy New York Times obituary from 2012, praising Brown's work and citing Willem de Kooning as an early mentor. Brown, it turned out, was an acclaimed Black artist, known for his portraits of jazz and blues musicians. He had work in the Smithsonian. As Maya made her way through his biography, she slowly realized that the painting she'd been so instinctively drawn to was actually the work of an important artist. And so, Maya was left wondering, how did Brown's painting end up in the trash?
5:42Wow, a very regal building. On a cold Friday afternoon, I pay Maya a visit at her Brooklyn apartment building to follow up and learn more. And who knows? Maybe my boyfriend's friend can simply become a friend.
6:01Hello. Come on in. Very, like, regal building, I feel like. My IRL chatting is truly no better than my Mario Kart chatting. This is your first time here also. It is, yeah. What I couldn't see on the small square of our Mario Kart calls was that every surface of Maya's apartment is covered in art. Not only has Maya worked in the art world for many years, at galleries, art publishers. Her husband, Wes, is also an artist himself. He even proposed to Maya on the steps of the Met. There's really only one spot in their apartment that's empty, a blank wall above the couch. They'd been waiting, year after year, for the perfect work of art to hang there.
6:44And now, with the discovery of the Frederick J. Brown painting, they knew they'd found it. Maya says she spotted the painting while heading home from a COVID test. It was gigantic, and she still had a mile to walk. She knew it didn't really make sense to take it with her. But she couldn't walk away from it either. I just kept going back to it. It just was different from all of the other paintings I've seen. It just really kind of grabbed me. And I started trying to get it out of the trash. Clutching the huge painting to her body, Maya awkwardly waddled the mile home. There was like a little garbage juice at the bottom and a little dust at the top.
7:29When I was walking, I wouldn't let it sit on the ground. I know I had probably been on the street all day, but I didn't want it to be on the street anymore.
7:44It is nearly as long as I am tall and I'm 5 '4". Lots of color and patterns. Despite my fondness for the audio medium, it fails to translate the force of Brown's painting. It's not as easily encapsulated as, say, the Mona Lisa, Smiling Woman, or American Gothic, Unsmiling Woman, and Man. It's mostly abstract, but then there are these tiny spots with recognizable figures. You can see faces, and there's these horizontal bands that sort of organize the composition. Admiring the painting with Maya makes me feel like I'm at a fancy party, enjoying hors d 'oeuvres, but also panicked that I have nothing intelligent to say.
8:29That kind of looks like a seven. The painting feels like a stained glass cabinet full of curios. It feels like a quilt, if a quilt weren't made of fabric, but of fields and buildings and people rushing to work. It feels like a packed room where everybody's dancing. I ask Maya to show me where she first found the painting, And so we hit the streets to return to the scene of the trash. Should we walk? Yeah, let's walk. We take a walk, as friends often do.
9:04Maya tells me the painting was in the trash with a bunch of other miscellaneous stuff. A TJ Maxx planter, a stained toy chest. Whoever disposed of it was probably moving. Maybe a neighbor can tell us who might have moved in the last couple months. But whereas I was picturing a small building with just a few buzzers to ring, it turns out the trash heap was actually in front of a public housing complex, 14 stories high, taking up a whole block.
9:36We loiter by the building's entrance, and I try to catch people as they're going in or out. Can I ask you something weird? Can I ask you a weird question? You know anyone who moved out, like, in December? It's just about a painting that was left outside. A painting. My friend found a painting, and she's trying to figure out, like, what the deal is. Nobody knows anything. No. All right, thank you. No, thank you. No. All right, thank you.
10:05There's a lot I don't understand about art. Like, why are frames so expensive? But I can tell you this. Paintings, they have two sides. There's the side with all the paint on it that people are always tripping over each other to talk about. But then there's the other side, the second or back side, if you will. Do you want a water or tea or anything? Water would be great. And back at Maya's apartment, she explains that on this back side or derriere side, there's another clue. She and Wes were cleaning the painting off, getting it ready to hang on the wall when they saw it. Lightly scrawled on the back of the canvas, was an inscription.
10:45Painted 1979, December. Title, Genesis 2, Love, Happy Birthday, from Frederick to Lowry Sims, and then he signed it and dated it in 1979.
11:04Maya may not have known the name Frederick Brown, but she knew the name Lowry Sims quite well. Lowry was the president of the Studio Museum in Harlem, And before that, she'd been the first Black curator at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. She's now in her 70s and has had decades of impact on the art world. She's reached living legend status. You can't help but be like, oh, okay, yeah. Should I have not used a paper towel to clean this? The way Maya sees it, if you find something with someone else's name on it, whether that's a wallet, a cat, or a painting, you try to give it back to them. And so, she wants to return the painting to its rightful owner, Lowry Sims.
11:49And once we find her, maybe Lowry can help piece together how the painting ended up in the garbage. I would, like, love to help try and get in touch with this person. Yes, please. Okay. My garbage hunting, an abject failure. But my people hunting, that's going to be an abject success.
12:14I can't find an email address for Lowry, so I do what we all do when we want to pester someone more important than we are. I send a message on LinkedIn. I explain that I have a painting I think belongs to her, but perhaps fearing I'm running some sort of con where I trade paintings for social security numbers, Lowry doesn't respond.
12:38Hi, how are you? I need some sort of inroad, So I contact an artist named Chloe Bass, who's worked with Lowry. I don't know why she would even need LinkedIn. Like, that's how, like, her career is very well established. Chloe's also confused by how the painting ended up in the trash. She says Lowry can't have been the one to throw it away because Lowry doesn't live in Brooklyn and never has. Chloe agrees to reach out to her on my behalf. And now that the request isn't coming from Arando on LinkedIn, but Arando who knows Chloe Bass, Lowry responds. We have a few back and forths over email. I'm hoping to schedule a time for us to talk on the phone, but Lowry is reluctant.
13:20She tells me she doesn't want to talk unless she can see a photo of the painting first. So I send her a photo, saying I'd be curious if she recognizes Genesis 2, and equally curious if she doesn't. Who knows, maybe Brown's gift of the painting never even reached her. The next morning, Lowry writes back, quote, quote, intriguing, period. That is the extent of her email. And after that, our correspondence comes to a halt.
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15:31Intriguing. Period. What did Lowry Sims' email mean? It's not the response you'd expect of someone recognizing a beloved long-lost painting. I start to wonder if maybe the painting's a fake. Genesis 2 doesn't look like any of the other Frederick Brown paintings I've seen online. Maybe Lowry's intriguing means an intriguing forgery. So I contact Frederick Brown's trust. I figure they'll know best if the painting's really his. And five days later, I get confirmation that the painting is legit. I receive a call from a man named Bentley, who teaches at Fordham and is a PhD candidate at the NYU Institute of Fine Arts.
16:12Bentley is also, it turns out, Frederick J. Brown's son. So here's the backstory. The painting is part of a larger painting called Genesis. Okay. That's in the collection of The Met. Oh, whoa, I didn't know that. So my dad became the youngest artist to be in the collection of The Met at that time. I got 33. Jeez. Let's see, let me think about that. Actually, 34. Okay. And, like, on top of that, right, as a Black artist as well, right? So this is a big deal. So part one is at the Met. Part one in the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Part two in a trash heap on a Brooklyn sidewalk.
17:00Bentley can't wait to see his father's painting in person. So he makes the drive from the Bronx to Maya's apartment in Brooklyn. Hi. Hi. I'm Maya. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Hi. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you in person. And I'm hoping maybe Bentley will have insight into how his dad's painting ended up in the trash. Should we look at this painting and then maybe we can talk? Yeah, I'd love to. We all file into the living room, where Maya and her husband Wes have propped the painting up against a wall for Bentley to look at. Bentley takes it in.
17:35This is amazing.
17:39This makes me so happy. Is this your first time seeing this painting? Yeah, I've never seen this. Bentley's dedicated years of his life to his father's work, but he can't tell me how the painting ended up in the trash. Before I reached out, he hadn't even known Genesis 2 existed. He bends down to get a closer look. He didn't just stumble upon any piece within his catalog. He stumbled upon a extremely important piece. It turns out that Genesis 2 was painted at the moment when Brown was making a transition. That's why it looks so different than anything else I'd seen online. Brown was moving away from abstraction and towards more figurative work.
18:22So among the shapes and lines, you see faces, an airplane, and... The fox figure. and it's like a self-portrait. Do you know why your dad chose a fox as a symbol of representation? That's a good question. You have to be a fox to survive in the art world as a black man. Have to be. Everybody looks at the fox as like a nefarious sort of character, right? But my dad kind of looked at it as like, nah, that's just a cat who has to do whatever it has to do to survive.
18:58Bentley tells us about his dad's life, about Frederick Brown's childhood on the south side of Chicago, how Brown's dad managed a juke joint, hanging around blues musicians like Muddy Waters. Early on, color made a strong impression on Brown. He grew up mixing paint for the luxury cars his uncle worked on. Later, Brown found work in the steel mills, the colors of the hot metal burning their way into his mind. He'd always talk about how bright orange the ingots were. You can see the bright orange in there. Brown attended college in Illinois and eventually moved to New York, where he set up shop in a huge loft on Worcester Street in Soho.
19:36Other artists and musicians were always stopping by. Romare Bearden, B.B. King, John Lennon, and Yoko Ono. The Worcester Street loft is where Brown painted Genesis. So then after that, he signed with Marlboro Gallery. And so that was a big deal, because Marlboro Gallery was the hottest gallery at that time. We talk about Basquiat being the first Black artist to sort of make that break. But it was really my dad. I'm not even going to hold you. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, you know? But while Basquiat went on to become a household name, selling paintings for millions of dollars, Frederick J. Brown did not.
20:15So what happened? It turns out that even after signing with Marlboro, Brown wasn't being shown in the way he thought he should be. My dad kept trying to get like a retrospective, and he couldn't get a retrospective anywhere. So Brown took matters into his own hands when a Taiwanese artist named C.J. Yao invited him to come to China. It was 1988, and communist China was just starting to culturally open up. Only one other American artist, Robert Rauschenberg, had shown work in the country. But together, Brown and Yao decided, let's do a Frederick J. Brown retrospective. In China.
20:56And they decided to do it in the National Museum of China, which, like, is on Tiananmen Square. And it's, like, an insanely huge building. The museum had been filled with relics of Chairman Mao and the Communist Revolution. But all that was cleared out to make room for 100 Frederick J. Brown paintings. And he had a lot, I mean, he had 60 ,000 people a day. Wow. For, like, 30 days. Wow. he had to go to China to have a red... He had to go to China to be seen as an American artist. Because in America, Brown was seen as a Black artist. And despite what he accomplished in China, when he returned to the States, he hadn't earned any additional prestige.
21:41Instead, Marlboro was pissed that he did the show because they did it without their consent. He took out a loan to do it himself of half a million dollars. He had no way of paying it back. So that was like the beginning of, I don't want to say the end, but it was the beginning of like a real hardship. Marlborough dropped him. The bank was trying to take all his work, which he'd put up as collateral. He was only able to save some paintings by erasing his name entirely so the bank would think they weren't his. Other paintings he hid in the walls of his Worcester Street loft.
22:25Brown continued to paint for the rest of his life, but he never regained that blue-trip cachet from his early career. He didn't become a name that a non-art person like me, or even an art person like Maya, would immediately recognize. Brown died of cancer in 2012, and 10 years later, Bentley's frustrated that his father still doesn't have his rightful place in the canon. You go up to these people that are gatekeepers, and you plead your case. Most people are just like, eh, whatever. There's not a market for it right now. Right? And it's like, it's like, man, fuck you. It's the same story for a lot of Black artists.
23:07Sure, these gatekeepers want Black art, Bentley says. But they want a particular kind of Black art. They want art they can look at and go, ah, yes, I get it. this is about the politics of being Black in America. When we think about Black art or Black artists, right, we are very quick to add, like, a political tag to the thing. I mean, I guess you could argue that Blackness in and of itself is a political thing. But my dad was kind of much more of the camp of, like, just, like, make art for art's sake. But purely aesthetic work by a Black artist? That's what ends up in the garbage. It's such a painful feeling.
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23:45It's such a, yeah, painful is the word. It's such a painful feeling when you know that, like, you have such a special world. And people don't give a shit. What is, I mean, like, if you have to describe, like, what that special world was, like, how would you explain it? Bentley points at the painting, still leaning against the wall. It's that right there. so much color so much emotion so much beauty you two recognized it the painting definitely called to me yeah I mean you rescued it right and it's like a piece of my dad it's like his energy, his spirit it's him you know that was just my dad calling out to you that's what that was being like yo don't let me go in the trash yo
24:43My son lives not too far away. Don't let me go in the trash.
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26:59While Bentley was able to trace the path that led Frederick Brown's work to the metaphorical trash heap, I'm still wondering about the literal trash heap, the one on a Brooklyn sidewalk. And so, of course, I'm still wondering about Lowry Sims. It turns out Bentley knows Lowry well. The two are even writing a book together. When I ask Bentley about Lowry's aversion to speaking with me, he alludes to some bad experiences she's had with journalists. but he reassures me that I'll put in a good word. And the next morning, Bentley calls to tell me that Lowry is willing to talk. There's just one caveat.
27:37She doesn't want to discuss how the painting wound up in the garbage. It's hard for me to figure out why, and I don't really know how to do an interview about a painting that ended up in the trash without asking how the painting ended up in the trash. So I cross my fingers that something might shift once we're on the phone.
27:59Lowry takes my call from her condo in Baltimore. She tells me that she met Frederick Brown when she was around 30, a newly minted curator at the Met. As a curator, Lowry's mission was to champion the work of overlooked artists. Lowry herself knew what it was like to be overlooked. I mean, I was in, you know, as a Black girl from Queens. I had a career nobody would have expected at that time. I was in places where nobody expected at the time. I mean, I used to tell people one of the most amusing things for me was to go to a collector on Park Avenue in the 70s and get to the front door. And the doorman would try to sort of scoop me around to the service entrance because they assumed I was a housekeeper or something, you know.
28:48No, I'm, you know, from the Metropolitan Museum. You sort of see the face change, you know. They go, oh, get on.
29:03It was a struggle to get past the ignorance about Black artists. Like once in the 70s, Lowry organized an exhibit of Black art from the Met's collection. And when we got the exhibition up, I was approached by a journalist who said, I didn't even know there were Black artists. Now, this is like 1979. Come on. Oh, geez. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I said, well, we've been around since the late 1800s. Hearing this story, it starts to make sense why Lowry might have been reluctant to speak with me, a white-looking journalist she's never met. In fact, when I spoke with Bentley, he said Lowry had wanted him to suss me out to make sure that I was okay before she agreed to talk to me.
29:50Like his dad, Bentley said, Lowry, too, has had to be a fox.
30:01Lowry and Brown's friendship endured for decades, starting in that Worcester Street loft and lasting until Brown's death. And even after he died, Lowry continued to engage with Brown's work. Just last summer, she helped put together a big posthumous show of his art at the Barry Campbell Gallery in Manhattan. Like Bentley, she wants Brown to finally get his due. It's original work. You know, it's strong work. I'm just hopeful that, you know, Frederick gets written into the, you know, the art lexicon in the way that he needs to be. When I ask Lowry why this hasn't happened yet, like Bentley, she cites the aftermath of the China trip.
30:43But she also offers this. He sort of left New York at a crucial period in his career. And he put the concerns of his family first. And it's true. In the 90s, Brown left New York for a town called Carefree, Arizona. A big factor in that decision was his daughter's asthma. Brown knew the dry desert heat would be good for her. And although money was still tight, the family was happy out in Arizona. Bentley recalls his dad attending his flag football games in his signature white Brooks Brothers suit, sweating in the Arizona sun and dabbing his forehead with napkins. While some children of famous artists remember locked studio doors, Bentley remembers his dad's welcoming studio couch where he'd flop down after school and talk about his day while his father painted.
31:32All of which is to say, Bentley remembers Brown as a good dad.
31:44As Lowry and I talk, I do my best to avoid the whole painting in the trash thing. So we discuss her time at the Met, Brown's jazz portraits, the similarities between Genesis 1 and 2. But then, without prompting, Lowry volunteers this. I mean, I sort of like, you know, kind of figured out that I probably gave the painting to someone who admired it. You know, I can't remember who because, you know, because it was certainly too big for my aloha. apartment. As it turns out, Brown had painted Lowry Genesis 2 as a thank you gift, because she'd been the curator who bought Genesis 1 for the Mets collection.
32:23But the painting was huge, and Lowry ran into the problem that so many New Yorkers do. Living in a cramped apartment on the Upper East Side, she just hadn't had space for it. For Lowry, there was no blank wall above the couch, just waiting for something to be hung. So instead, she found Genesis 2 a good home with a friend who loved it. And I think I told Fred, you know, like about that. Yeah. How it ended up where Maya found it, I don't know. I just can't remember who I might have given it to. I suspect that Lowry might be trying to protect a friend. Maybe that's why she'd been reluctant to talk about the painting's loss.
33:03Maybe Lowry gave the painting to someone who moved to a smaller apartment themselves. Or maybe they died or fell on hard times and decided to sell it. Maybe it was regifted to someone else or sold an estate sale or just lost in the general shuffle of life. No matter what, the end result is the same. Ultimately, someone looked at it, thought this isn't worth keeping, and threw it away. All of that, it seems, was wrapped up in Lowry's intriguing. Does it make you sad at all to think of art just in the trash like that? Well, you know, there's a saying that 98 % of all the art created in the world since the beginning is gone.
33:49Do you think like the best stuff somehow makes it through? Do you know what I mean? I think it's totally random. I mean, I guess that's why we have museums, because they can be seen as places where these things can be safe. But I mean, just look at what's happening now in the Ukraine. You know, they're bombing museums and cultural sites. So I think a lot of times it's just the luck of the draw. Time is the most capricious of curators.
34:26A few weeks earlier, when Bentley came by Maya's apartment, we all sat around and talked for hours about art and family. And finally, when it was time to go, Maya turned to Bentley and said, I don't think the painting belongs with me. I think it belongs somewhere else. Bentley's taller than Maya and had no problem lifting up the canvas. He thanked Maya warmly and carried Genesis 2 out the door to his car. He'd serve as the painting's caretaker until Lowry decided what she wanted to do. Can you tell me sort of like what's happening to it now? Do you know where it's going? Yeah, it's been accepted by the Studio Museum as a donation.
35:09Oh, that's great. And the donation will be from me, from the estate of the artist, and from Maya.
35:19On a warm Friday afternoon, I pay Maya a visit at her regal apartment building. Hello. She and Wes are signing the paperwork to officially donate the painting to the Studio Museum. and I'm here to serve as a witness. Lowry and Bentley have both already signed. You're trying to do some of that pen sound.
35:42Knowing how much Maya loves the painting, I thought giving it up would be bittersweet. But she's in high spirits. She likes the idea of Genesis 2 hanging in a museum. That way, thousands of people will get to enjoy it. We'll lean towards the plaque and read the name Frederick J. Brown. Who knows what that name might mean to people in the future. if time will strengthen Brown's legacy or wash it away. But for now, we finish up the paperwork and all cheers a shot at tequila to celebrate, as friends often do. Cheers. Thank you so much, Tequila. Thank you.
36:20On my way out, I noticed that the big wall above Maya's couch is still blank.
36:46Now that the furniture's returning to its goodwill home Now that the last month's rent is scheming with the damage deposit Take this moment to decide If we meant it, if we tried Or felt around for far too much From things that accidentally tied
37:26Hello? Jonathan? Kalila? Yeah, hi. Hi. What's going on? I'm in the Studio Museum at the moment. Oh, thank God. When I heard you whispering like that, I figured immediately that you were incarcerated somehow. Why would I need to whisper? Yeah, that's true. It would be more likely that I'd been kidnapped and was secretly using a phone, you know what I mean? Like from the trunk of a car. Yeah. Okay, phew. I'm so glad you're in a museum instead. Why are you in a museum? I'm in a museum because the Studio Museum is where Frederick J. Brown's painting, Genesis 2, ended up. The painting is not up at the moment, but there are a couple galleries dedicated to cycling things out that are in the permanent collection.
38:18So I imagine it will hang in one of those galleries soon. Ah. So you think it's in a storage room? I guess. I don't really know how museums work. But yeah, they must have some kind of art storage, right? Well, here's your chance to find out. I'm going to put you on assignment here. Okay. Do you see any doors that say staff only or do not enter? Yeah, I'm standing by one right now. Do you want to try the doorknob? Let me just see. Is it locked? Yeah, it's locked. Well, so much for our big art heist. Well, how does it feel, I guess, to know that it's in its rightful place and you had a hand in that?
38:59That's cool, actually. I mean, even though it's not up right now, just to be like, oh, this is its home and it's among all this other art. And there's a lot of people at the museum. Oh, really? I feel like people are going to be able to come and appreciate it, yeah. Yeah. I was going to say not to presume, but are you in front of a computer? I am, yeah. Would you like to go to the Studio Museum website and look up Frederick J. Brown in the collection? Studio Museum. Frederick. There we go. Let's see. Oh, there's three of his works here. Oh, nice. And here we are. Yeah. Genesis 2. And you know what?
39:42What? It is vertical. I know. I noticed that too. I was like, maybe we were looking at it the wrong way. I think we were. Yeah. And honestly, looking at it like this, it's like looking at a whole different painting. It does really change the way you see it, I know. And, you know, in a way, it kind of makes more sense. Uh-huh. Wow. Huh. I am sort of curious how they even determined that because I feel like when I was looking at it with Bentley, he also thought it went horizontally. He did? Yeah. Yeah. and um i did speak with bentley recently too and he gave me some updates about what's going on with his father's work updates and and the major update though is that uh we do have a retrospective of his work oh you do yeah um it's going to be opening in 2028 okay um at the phoenix art museum And yeah, again, I just can't thank you enough for taking on the story.
40:47Like it brought us so much publicity. And then, you know, we had several major exhibitions after that. Oh, that's great. Well, thank you, Bentley, for talking. It's really nice to talk to you again. Thanks so much. Talk to you later. Talk to you soon.
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Maia found a painting in the garbage and took it home. But as it turned out, it wasn’t just any painting.
In this update, Kalila learns that she might have been looking at the painting all wrong.
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