Live with Ana Andjelic

7 Nov 2025 · 6 min

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Podcast Episode Notes: Hitmakers, Season 2 - Live with Ana Andjelic

Episode Overview In this episode, Ana Andjelic explores the intersection of culture and business, specifically discussing how modern brands can effectively navigate fragmented consumer markets. Drawing upon historical examples and contemporary strategies, she emphasizes the importance of creating networks of endorsed brands.

Key Concepts and Discussions

  1. Fragmentation in Consumer Markets
  2. Consumer markets are becoming increasingly fragmented rather than consolidated.
  3. Brands must adapt to this fragmentation to remain relevant.
  1. The Relay Routier Analogy
  2. Relay Routier:
  3. Originated in the 1930s as a network of restaurants for truck drivers in France.
  4. Focuses on maintaining a consistent identity through a recognizable symbol (blue and red logo) rather than uniformity in restaurant characteristics.
  5. Key requirements for Relay Routier restaurants:
  6. On-premises food preparation
  7. Price cap adjusted for inflation (less than $17)
  8. Adequate parking and shower facilities for drivers
  9. A friendly and welcoming atmosphere
  10. Application to Modern Brands:
  11. Brands can connect with various subcultures and niches by adopting a similar network approach rather than a singular brand identity.
  1. Endorsed Brands Strategy
  2. Instead of creating their own products or content, brands can endorse other companies that align with their values and aesthetics.
  3. This approach allows brands to participate in diverse subcultures without overextending their own identity.

Practical Examples

  • System Magazine endorsing writers on Substack rather than creating a separate newsletter.
  • Established brands (e.g., Ralph Lauren) endorsing niche brands (e.g., Knickerbocker, ALD, Drake's) to penetrate specific markets.
  1. Membership Model
  2. The endorsement process resembles a membership structure:
  3. Brands seeking endorsement submit an application that is reviewed by the endorser.
  4. The endorser assesses values, aesthetics, quality, and merchandising strategies.
  1. Benefits of Endorsed Brands
  2. Access to Niche Audiences: Endorsers gain immediate access to the fragmented subcultures of the endorsed brands.
  3. Symbol of Trust: Emerging brands often struggle with trust; endorsements provide a shortcut to building credibility.
  4. Market Expansion: This strategy is particularly beneficial in mature markets where growth is challenging and legacy customers are already acquired.

Conclusion Ana Andjelic concludes by emphasizing the potential growth strategies brands can adopt through the endorsed brand model. As markets continue to diversify and consumer preferences evolve, embracing this networked approach can offer significant advantages for brands aiming to establish a presence in fragmented cultural landscapes.

Closing Remarks

  • Ana encourages listeners to explore more about the sociology of business and hints at further analysis in her upcoming newsletter.

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0:00I recently wrote on the sociology of business, my weekly newsletter about how brands connect business with culture, about Ril Réreté Routier, decentralized and Ré Routier, decentralized, and Routier. So basically, when consumer markets are fragmenting more than they're consolidating, the only way, the best way, actually, the brand can participate in this space is to be like Rilei Routier. So Rille-Retier originated in the 1930s as a network of restaurants for truck drivers. And they were all over France. There were thousands of them. So these days, there are around 700 of them. And the only one that's left in Paris is Aubon-Cru in 11 and or so month that I went with my husband when we were there a month ago.

1:12So basically, One United, all of these restaurants, is a five-tart requirement. So the food needs to be made on premises. It needs to be less than$17 adjusted for inflation. They need to have a big parking lot. They need to have a shower for truck drivers. And the atmosphere needs to be friendly and welcoming. Aside of those five things, anything goes. So instead of controlling how the restaurants are going to look like, which are the modern high-end dining networks when you can have a Nobu, you have, I don't know, like more than 30 Nobus around the world and they all look the same, feel the same, you can have the same taste.

2:02Here, restaurants are connected in a network only by Relay Routier blue and red symbol. So it's basically a restaurant name, Relay Routier restaurant. So if we transpose this to modern brands and modern culture that really looks like a network of roles that connect subcultures, niches, tastes, different aesthetics, the only way that the brand can really participate in all fragmented culture meaningfully is to be present in all those fragmented subcultures. So the way to do that is not to overextend its identity, but to create a network of endorsed brands. brands. So in practice, that would mean, imagine here on Substack, a publication like System Magazine wanted to be present.

3:02So instead of creating their own newsletter, they would endorse a number of writers on Substack that are aligned in terms of point of view values and aesthetic and the angle of coverage. Or if I, for example, wanted to do for sociology of business, network of sociology of business, I would find those writers, something similar to what I'm doing my Thursdays, guest newsletters, and say X, a sociology of business newsletter. That applies to brands as well, like modern prep brands like Knickerbocker or ALD or Drake's. They can be a Ralph Lauren company, if Ralph Lauren decided. Instead of building the modern prep and participating in all those subcultures, which is costly and not time efficient, they can just endorse a modern prep brand, giving it a stamp of approval.

4:03So these are the benefits of endorsed brands that instead, it's not a joint venture. It's not a franchise. The close model to it is one of membership, which means that those who are interested, they apply for membership. The endorser brand reviews all of their point of view and values and aesthetics and the quality of materials and products and merchandising strategy and so on and decides to endorse or not to endorse. And if they do endorse, they have immediate access to the audiences in those brands that are covering specific niche communities, taste communities, or subcultures. This strategy of endorse brand is particularly relevant for brands in mature markets where they already saturated the market and got their legacy customers covered.

5:02So the way to grow is for endorse brands to really endorse those that are going deep into niches and that they have a relationship. An endorsed brand in that scenario provides a symbol of trust and a marker of approval. And this is important because an emerging brand may not have trust, brand trust and approval. So this is basically a shortcut to having a strong brand that is synonymous with quality, with specific experience and with trust. So that's basically seal of approval. is on the endorsed brands part. Endorser gets access to all fragmented subcultures, and in this way, they expand that market footprint.

5:56So far, I don't know who is doing that, and there's probably we're going to see more of that as the brand growth strategies are getting diversified. The entire analysis on the sociology of business is from not this week, the week before. And happy Friday and a great weekend. Thank you so much for listening. Bye.

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