Dark Truth About Trump's Plane Switch Leak: Wolff

0:00Shaq here. What's it like to buy a car from Carvana 100 % online and get it delivered to your door? Let me tell you. Your car is here, Mr. Shaq. Thank you, Mr. Carvana guy. Can't wait to take it for a spin. Only the best for you, Mr. Shaq. Hey, have you always been so big, tall, and handsome? Not always. I was 6 '10 once. Seven days to love it or return it, Mr. Shaq. Not that I would. You never do. No, I never do. So buy your car today on Carvana. Delivery fees may apply. See our seven-day return policy at Carvana.com. At Farmers, we go out of our way to keep you in the know. Like by singing everything for emphasis.

0:37That and by providing you with coverage on a page in easy to understand language so you know what's covered and what's not. No confusing legalese that no one gets. In full transparency, we do have to put a disclaimer at the end of this ad, though. Just being honest, that's what you get when You have farmers. Learn more at Farmers.com. Underwritten by Farmers Truck or Fire Insurance Exchanges or Affiliate. Products not available in every state. Boot season's back, which means football season is back. And Tecovas has the denim for game day. Handcrafted in three timeless cuts, every style is made to look great with boots.

1:11And with multiple washes and colors, they might be the last jeans you ever buy. Find your new favorite denim at Tecovas.com or stop by your local Tecovas store. Either way, you'll be showing up on game day. Tecova's denim. It's made for boots. The Secret Service certainly would not leak this. So who leaked it? This is an easy answer. Donald Trump leaks it. Of course. He has a method here. And the method is now more attention on me. The assassination theme has worked very well for Donald Trump. And I think that he wants people to know he's the target. I'm the main target. He is at the lowest point in his political career.

2:03So what this man needs is distraction. His proxy plane being hidden in a food truck. All of this, people are going to shoot him out of the sky. He's number one. This is great for Trump.

2:21Michael. Joanna. Happy anniversary. This is our 25th anniversary as husband and wife. It's our one year anniversary for Inside Trump's Head. We started having no idea what we were going to talk about. And in fact, our producer, Ryan, went back and listened to our first episode. which was 45 minutes of talking about one subject. And he didn't like it. He didn't like it. He was rude about it. He said, oh, it was very much a pilot, was his dismissive tone. But we figured out by the numbers 9 ,000 minutes, 70 ,000 comments. Thank you. Please keep them coming. 18 cardigans, 37 T-shirts, and 12 blazers.

3:12Later, we're still going. For new people joining us, just remind people what we're doing here. How we got into this. I've written four books about Donald Trump. In the first administration, I spent almost seven months inside the White House. And that's another story for another time, how that happened. And but it's a we represent a particular point of view about how to talk about Donald Trump. And the effort is not to talk about him as most of the media does from the outside, looking at him as a fairly typical political creature and political phenomenon. on. We look at this from trying to do this from the inside, that what goes on in this government is atypical in every way because it all comes out of one man's head, what he's thinking, what he's feeling, what he doesn't know.

4:15So he has to cover up by pretending that he knows. And everyone around him is forced to not only listen to him, but absolutely do what he wants because you cannot disagree with him. You can't really even talk to him because he doesn't listen. I mean, this is a departure in every way from what we understand American politics and American democracy to be about. It is just one singular guy. And this is not an argument to say that he's a would-be dictator or a would-be despot or any of these things. Actually, it's something else to say that he is wholly unique. He is not like anyone you or anyone you know has known.

5:07And understanding what that is and what that does to the nature of government and the nature of politics and the nature of the future of this country is what we're trying to get at and trying to get at from understanding what motivates this guy. And I am the chief content officer of the Daily Beast. My background as a journalist, what we do at the Daily Beast is chronicle the crazy in the White House, which leads us perfectly to this insane story about Trump and doing a whole David Blaine, now you see me, now you don't, which plane am I on? It's like those three cups and you have to guess which one Donald Trump is under and they're always moving them around.

5:55And you're like, I think it's that one. No, it's this one. And don't forget to like and subscribe. So much to discuss. Air Force One, the fact that this, in fact, you knew about this and you knew that this was something that the president did, AOC's eggs. No, which is, you know, I have to note this. Why don't people just read my books? I know. Well, I'm going to read part of your book out loud to remind people this happened during the campaign and Natalie Hart was involved. So stay tuned for that. Darlene Graham, it turns out, probably didn't vote for Donald Trump. She becomes more interesting as a candidate, more interesting by the day because we know that she gave money to people that wanted to leave open the option of abortion in North Carolina or possibly South Carolina.

6:44South Carolina, right? Yes, South Carolina because the former governor, Mark Samford, is going to give her a run for her money in the Senate race. Anyway, so the plane, AOC's eggs, Trump saying that he took his children for their vaccination appointments, all three of them, all three kids, for their vaccination appointments. And he says that he split the MMR vaccine up. Yeah, well, let's get to this. Let's not dissect this right now. I'm laying out a menu for people. Yes, let's give it its own segment because this is totally preposterous. Totally preposterous. Observe. The North American Dad. 50s.

7:30Great polo collection. He enters his vehicle information on Carvana. An offer appears in minutes. Remarkable. He squints, reads it again, smiles and says, dang, that's a good offer. The highest form of approval. No haggling. No hassle. No one called him boss. He's still on the couch. Astonishing. Sell your car today on Carvana.com. Pickup fees may apply. All right, but what is also preposterous is this idea of filling Air Force One with your staff and your press, sending it off into the sky as a decoy while you are smuggled out of a food truck into a completely different plane. And then appearing David Blaine-like or jazz hands when you land in London saying, oh, that was a great journey.

8:22And no one, no one, the entire White House press pool was any the wiser that he'd been on a completely different plane. So this is both a kind of cover up by the president and the White House and the Secret Service. And yet, once again, the White House press corps missing the story. Totally missing the story. I mean, the craziest, they literally were on the plane. And they must have thought, why isn't the president coming back to talk to us? Because he always goes back to talk to them because he loves it. He wants them. He loves to insult them. He knows that will be the next story. But I guess my other question, too, is Washington Post got this story, which, by the way, has hugely improved since Will Lewis left, interestingly.

9:14Well, let's set the story for that. The Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos, a year ago plus he brought in an editor by the name of Will Lewis, a British editor. Well, a CEO. He brought him in as CEO. A CEO, but to run the place. And that was a year, more than a year of chaos within the Washington Post. than Will Lewis, by many estimations, destroying the paper. Right. I think he came in a couple of years ago and then left, was fired at the beginning of this year, right? Yes, the timeline escapes me, but he was the last person. No one is running the Washington Post. This is the interesting point.

10:07No one is really running the Washington Post now. And without anyone running the paper, it's gotten great. Yeah. I mean, you know. Well, and why Will Lewis is interesting is because he was a Murdoch guy who was alleged to have deleted 30 million emails from the servers at News International, the headquarters of Murdoch's British newspapers, The Times, The Sun, then the News of the World, to protect the company against the phone hacking scandal. So an apparatchik, a suck up always about who he's reporting to, who his boss is. And I think you can probably see very clearly that he was running the newsroom as a reflection of what he thought Jeff Bezos wanted.

11:01So whether Jeff Bezos wanted it or not, he was that interesting thing in which the guy on top may want something, but it's then carried out to an extreme by the suck-ups around him, in this case, Will Lewis. And when that person is removed, well, there's Jeff Bezos may continue to want what he wants, but the people there, nobody's the point person for giving it to him. So it goes on. The organization can go on in a relatively unfettered way until Jeff Bezos says, this is not what I want. Then he has to hire some other apparatchik and suck up to enforce his desires. But in the time when there is not such a person, it's a brief renaissance.

11:55Anyway, as media people, we've immediately digressed to the media story, which is not the story here, except that the Washington Post broke this story of Trump being smuggled via a food cart into a different container, a food container, really. I imagine there was such. It's not a food cart you think the stewardesses are going down the aisle. Or chicken, fish or Trump. With Trump. Well, it's one of those big containers that comes up and then they take the food out. That would be really depressed if you were served Trump for lunch. Yes. Open the foil pouch and there he is. Okay, this has gone down an absurdist route.

12:38The point is this. You actually wrote about this in All or Nothing. Can I read a bit of it? Before we get to that, I think let's continue the Washington Post theme. Who leaked this? Right. Who leaked the story that Air Force One was full of journalists and staff and sent off as a target while Trump was safely... Let me give a further background here that this has happened before, which we will discuss. No one knows about it, and no one knows about most of the things that the Secret Service does for a very good reason. These are all security precautions when people begin to know about. If people know about them, then they're no longer part of the security protocol and are no longer a safe part.

13:31So people don't know about this. The Secret Service certainly would not leak this. So who leaked it? This is an easy answer. Donald Trump leaks it. Of course. How can he keep anything secret? Well, it's not just that. He has a method here. And the method is now more attention on me. And also there's a theme here. The assassination theme has worked very well for Donald Trump. And I think that he wants people to know he's the target. I'm the main target. I'm the guy. Number one in the world. Nobody's ever seen anything like it. I'm the biggest target. And also totally worked for him after Butler, Pennsylvania.

14:15Do you remember Elon coming out and saying, you know, I don't really think much of the guy. But then after that, I was all in. So many people were all in. This was reported by The Washington Post first and then picked up by The New York Times and other news organizations. as though this was a unique, a scandal even. And all they had to do was read my... Read your book. So I'm going to read your book where it turns out we discover, spoiler alert, this has happened before. All right, so this is, we're picking up just after the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt where Thomas Matthew Crooks is the white youth who attempts to kill him, comes very close and is then very quickly dispensed of by the Secret Service.

15:09So this is Trump you're talking about. He was being singled out as a historic figure and an agent of history with unknown forces trying to stop him. Thomas Crooks, the first would-be assassin, had been using encrypted platforms based in Belgium, Germany and New Zealand, evidence repeated by people in the Trump camp of something larger than a lone figure. Foreign adversaries is the description Trump darkly used. We just don't know if these guys are speaking to foreign adversaries. I hear they might be. The Iranians, probably. But possibly Ukraine. In his conversations, the plot on his life, his legal difficulties, the scheme to replace Joe Biden all easily ran together.

15:54Portance of the case he would make if he lost or of the investigations to come if he won. Meanwhile, following the first attempt and now with redoubled fervor, security had been overhauled and upgraded, more evidence to him of plots in progress. Trump Force One had become the decoy plane. His staff and guests available to be shot out of the sky with Trump himself on a secret flight. And this happened several times, and either as a function of the Secret Service getting reports of whatever significance, or, and also Trump kind of starting to like this. And so it was very clear there would be a proxy plane with press on it, with some staff on it, and then Trump would be on another plane.

16:52And in at least one instance, there was a meltdown. And actually, this is why I came to know about this, because Natalie Harp was put on the proxy plane. Natalie Harp, as we have discussed many times before, is Trump's constant companion, her 32-year-old constant companion, effectively one of his main advisors at this point, the person who does all of his or a significant amount of his social media and who is really his primary gatekeeper. Observe the North American dad, 50s, great polo collection. He enters his vehicle information on Carvana. An offer appears in minutes. Remarkable. He squints, reads it again, smiles and says, dang, that's a good offer.

17:50The highest form of approval. No haggling, no hassle. No one called him boss. He's still on the couch. Astonishing. Sell your car today on Carvana.com. Pickup fees may apply. So Natalie Harp, who's clutching, I mean, she walks around with four phones, two computers, an enormous backpack. Right. And she is always, she is the person, no question, the person who spends the most time with him. And at one point. Connected to him, really. And at one point, and she's also known as the human printer because she figured out a way of driving around on a golf course after him on the golf course. Well, that was her first.

18:30Dispensing papers. That's how she came to her position of prominence with Donald Trump. She carried the printer when he was on the golf course. She would print out emails and fawning articles and then deliver them to him at each hole. And at one point, she, I think, spent the summer sleeping in the locker room at Bedminster to be close to him. Reported by Michael Wolff. Reported by Michael Wolff there, indeed. So, Natalie Hart. So she was put on the proxy plane and just went crazy and got everyone involved with this. And in fact, then was moved on to the Trump plane because then Trump found out she may raise such a ruckus that Trump found out or this arrived.

19:25Somebody had to tell Trump, well, we can't go anywhere. And then she was moved over to Trump's, from the proxy plane to Trump's secret plane. Do we know if Natalie Hart was also smuggled in the food truck on this most recent? You know, that's what's new in this story, the subterfuge here of how you actually get on a secret plane, which I hadn't crossed my mind that actually when you get on a plane, people see you get on the plane. Well, and also when you're that famous. I mean, this may be why he's been wearing that strange new hair, because some days he wears it, other days he doesn't. So perhaps it was some kind of disguise that he's been playing with.

20:10Or perhaps they put him in some kind of gray coat as if he was working on the food truck. But now the interesting question would be is for the press. How does the press feel to know that they are the decoy? They are being set up to be shot out of the sky. Well, I shouldn't think they feel very pleased about it. I mean, he said, didn't he famously, if I go, you go at one point. When someone asks him about being a target when he comes back to talk to the press and he goes, well, if I go, you go. But that's not to be true. Not to be true. Yet another presidential lie. Now, of course, there's a larger context here, which is this is the protocols.

20:57The Secret Service does everything to protect the president of the United States. The Secret Service is not there to protect the press, should not be actually there to protect the press. It is all about how you keep this one guy safe. And in fact, were something to happen to the proxy plane, were the plane to be shot out, I guess we would be at war anyway. And that would be an extraordinary event. And no one would feel sorry for reporters. Well, but it's also the White House staff, right? That the staff traveling with him, that support staff, were also on the old Air Force One. Because the other thing that was going on here was…

21:42Well, not Natalie Harp. Well, we don't know where Natalie Hart was. But there's a sort of double bluff here. Although I can guess. Okay, so you think she was with him in the food truck? She's resourceful. Interesting. Well, perhaps we can figure out where was Natalie Hart. But there's also a double bluff here because you've got Grift Force One, the plane that Qatar has given him that he flies over to the NATO summit in, which then Secret Service say, well, this isn't good enough. It's not high quality enough. It's not secure enough, especially with the latest threats. So we're going to put you on the old Air Force One, which is secure enough.

22:26But we're not actually going to put you on the old. Because it's not secure enough, it turns out. So we're going to put you on another little plane, which probably isn't secure at all. But nevertheless, it's a different plane. So it'll throw your adversaries off or adversaries off um totally and then we can digress again again to the to the um um to the qatari plane because before our eyes and and we should watch this he is trying to steal that plane he is going to steal that well i think he told us he's stealing yeah well it's all this stuff about the library and it was going to be on on display it was going to be an exhibit at the library.

23:09What he's going to do, and I think we should keep coming back to this, he is looking to set up. So all this thing about third term, he's going to, you know, willy, willy, that's a diversion. What he's going to do is set up a separate White House at Mar-a-Lago when he leaves. He's funding it by all these corporations he's now extorting money from. And he's going to have this big plane, the Qatar Air Force One. So this is the money that we talked about last week. Meredith O 'Rourke has raised his princess of darkness, as he as he refers to her. She's raised eight hundred million dollars, largely by shaking down companies.

23:49Right. And she will continue to shake. And this will be billions by the time this administration is over. And that will be part of the nut that finances this this pretender White House in Mar-a-Lago. Okay, well, I'm glad that that's going to fund him because Truth Social, his business, is not going to fund him. It lost$238 million. Well, that's not the, I mean, it's been losing money, of course, all along. But the interesting thing is that the relatively small universe of people who have been on Truth Social are fleeing a sinking ship. They're dwindling. So, I mean, so it had, this began as a social network of one and will return to a social network of one.

24:39But it's an interesting kind of reverse network effect. I mean, the technology business is based on this idea of the network effect. You build a network and then it expands exponentially. So this is going in the opposite direction. And it's a kind of, I mean, it's a kind of its own tracking pole in a sense. Well, what I find when I'm on it, and I know you're not on it, but I am, I get ads for knives and I get ads for assault weapons. Air Force One, Trump leaks it because he wants the attention. He wants everybody to know he's the number one target. You know, remember, we're in the middle of this.

25:21He is at the lowest point in his political career. The polls are at the lowest point in his political career. Nothing is going right. He's stuck in the middle of a war that he promised not to get into, got into, can't get out of. So what this man needs is distraction. What is another story that what what's a headline that is that takes away from all the other headlines? and his proxy plane being hidden in the food truck. All of this, people are going to shoot him out of the sky. He's number one. This is great for Trump. Observe the North American dad, 50s, great polo collection. He enters his vehicle information on Carvana.

26:13An offer appears in minutes. Remarkable. He squints, reads it again, smiles and says, dang, that's a good offer. The highest form of approval. No haggling, no hassle. No one called him boss. He's still on the couch. Astonishing. Sell your car today on Carvana.com. Pickup fees may apply. Well, it's also Trump and the Iranians, right? Because the Iranians have got him in an absolute chokehold. They've said, no, no, no. You know, you want the straighter poor moves opened. here is a list of things we want from you, all of which are frankly unacceptable, all of which the administration said they wouldn't give them.

26:54And he's, as you say, completely between a rock and a hard place. And now he's just diverting with, well, I beat you over here. I avoided your, you know, your targeting me when I was in Turkey. It's a very small win for him, I think. And this is, yeah, I mean, a couple of days distraction, but, you know, a couple of days distraction here, a couple of days distraction there, it adds up to real distraction. Right. And we've only got, what have we got, 80 odd days until the election. So if we can just keep... No, and he's just looking. It's always Trump trying, looking for what is the thing that he can distract people with?

27:33What is the thing that he can point to? What is the thing that sets up someone else to be the fall guy? We saw that a couple of people have left the White House. Dave Warrington left to be replaced by Will Scarfe as the White House general counsel. Kathy Rumler's old job when she was there. I think he's also leaving a sinking ship. Yes. I mean, I think that's I mean, we're going to see more of that. People leaving because because the midterms are coming up and then, you know, you have to get a new job. I mean, at the end of this in 2028, where are you going to be? And and or maybe Dave Warrington is running for president.

28:14I don't think so. But I don't think so. I'm sure he's going to make some money. White House General Counsel can make a lot of money going into a big white shoe law firm. Yeah, no, absolutely. So that's not, but the, and the idea of him firing people, in other words, I mean, I think that's, that's, yes. So that would be a way to distract, put blame on other people. But that would be from Trump's, that's people, someone, the media, us, telling him what to do. and he's not going to do, he doesn't want to do, often quite refuses to do, even though it's the smart thing to do. But because he's being told to do it, he doesn't do it.

28:56But he may need to find someone to blame for the war because the war is going to be bad for the midterms. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm stumped here. I'm stumped like Like, he's stumped. He doesn't know what to do. Okay. You know, I mean, he's in. I mean, in the most basic terms, the Iranians won't do what he wants. They won't open the Strait of Hormuz. And we do not have enough ammunition to make them. I mean, that is it. He's run out of bullets. Quite literally. It's a crazy story. And then when he screamed at Pete Hegseth at Camp David, Pete Hegseth blamed Steven Feinberg, his number two, for not telling Trump that we'd run out of munitions.

29:47So anyway, we're always looking. What is the thing? Always in Trump's mind. It's in the muddle of his mind. He's always grasping for that one thing that might change people, just redirect people's attention. um um suddenly define a new enemy and he tried this weekend so on um on sunday morning aoc gave an interview who is the leader in the polls the democratic polls for the democratic nomination for president, 36 years old. So she's one year over the minimum to possibly be the president. Can we just have a moment and let that sink in? Yes, you can have any moments you want. I mean, it's just such a...

30:48You mean, what's sinking in now, that she's 36 years old? Well, all of it, that she's 36 years old, that she's never created a job in her life, that she's become incredibly good at talking to crowds, that she's pulled Bernie Sanders in as a sort of security blanket. So when they go on their oligarchy tour on their private planes across America, she gets the benefit of his, well, what is his brosphere? I mean, I think that that's minimizing what she has accomplished. I mean, the entire rise of the Democratic Socialists of America is essentially on her back. It's her project. She is certainly the spear here.

31:39And I think it's a remarkable accomplishment. I think she's actually rather remarkable. She's articulate. No, no, I'm not saying she's not remarkable. I'm just saying it's remarkable that we're at this moment in America where she could be the leading candidate for, you know, the president, the Democratic president. I mean, look at that. Look at I mean, we've had Donald Trump. I know. I know. We've had Joe Biden. How did we get here? How did we get here, Michael? Well, I don't know. It may not be a bad position to be here. She's she's she's young. She's smart. She's energetic. And you know where else she is?

32:20She's inside Trump's head. Yes. And so at any rate, on Sunday morning, she went on the Sunday programs and said, or one of the Sunday programs, I think the ABC program, and said that she was freezing her eggs. 36-year-old woman, she's not married, and she's planning ahead. Trump is electrified, gets on the phone, and at least one of these conversations that I am privy to, and says, this is his opening statement, she's getting her eggs frozen. And then the person he's speaking to says, who's getting her eggs frozen? And he says, Hillary is getting her eggs frozen. He says Hillary? Yes. So this person who's going to do this is completely confused from the get-go.

33:18Right. Now, algebraically more confused. Right. And then did Trump realize what he'd said? Because didn't the person say, well, that's impossible? No. Well, then remember, because it's Trump and he always repeats the last thing that he said, then he said it again. Hillary is getting her eggs frozen. At any rate, this finally comes clear who is getting a not 78-year-old Hillary, but 36-year-old AOC. And then, and you can see that this is a thing, that this is maybe he has, it's like taking the knee, that he's hoping to have identified a cultural moment, a political-cultural intersection, which will galvanize, I don't know, the MAGA base.

34:14And at that point in this conversation, he connects the freezing your eggs to birthright citizenship. So I don't know, is then the question, can you deport an egg? Can you deport an egg? This is also, and I think it is, you know, that this is, he is really searching. This is a thing, you know, he's got to find something. He is now without an issue, without a, you know, an issue is really are not his thing. It's really without a piece of language, a connection. Well, and also it's an odd one to choose because more and more women are freezing their eggs. Costco now offers the drugs to freeze your eggs, right?

35:02So this is not something that's complete. I mean, yes, it's expensive, but it's now becoming within range for people who want to start a family. No, I think every family in America knows someone, every person in America likely has some family member who has fertility issues, I think. Right. No, no, no. Fertility questions or this is, yeah, I mean, I think this is, you know, an 80-year-old man saying eggs, a woman's eggs. With everybody else saying, oh, my God, this is just, you know. This is just what women do these days. Life as it is. But it also indicates she's probably thinking of running for 2028.

35:48It's an insurance policy to put on one side. No, I think she's clearly, I mean, actually that's the more complex thing. And I wonder how Americans would react to that. I'm freezing my eggs so that I can run for president and then have a child after the presidency. Well, if she were to... I don't know. The pregnant president. We haven't had that before. We haven't had a woman president. We've definitely not had a pregnant president. One of the things I think that we can assume about AOC is that she has made the political calculations here. I'm sure she has. Anyway, I wish you well. and also it's a much more effective procedure than it used to be.

36:39It used to be incredibly expensive. The operation here, by the way, is it's not that he's so brilliant at this, it's that he tries out so many things. And then some sticks. Yeah. Okay, some sticks. Observe the North American dad, 50s, great polo collection. He enters his vehicle information on Carvana, an offer appears in minutes. Remarkable. He squints, reads it again, smiles and says, dang, that's a good offer. The highest form of approval. No haggling, no hassle. No one called him boss. He's still on the couch. Astonishing. Sell your car today on Carvana.com. Pickup fees may apply. So is his claim that he took his children to have their vaccinations likely to stick?

37:35Well, let's do it. Let's wheel back and explain what was happening here. Right. So that happened yesterday that he gave this press conference about vaccines and specifically the MMR vaccine. Mumps, measles and rubella vaccine, which children get very early on. And it's three shots in one. Right. So it's one shot. Can I just say for people listening in, I mean, we have a lot of listeners in Europe. We have a lot of listeners in New Zealand, in Australia. You must, I'm sure you cannot believe this conversation that is going on, that the president of the United States is saying that he feels some vaccines should be delayed.

38:24The MMR vaccine, that one vaccine, I believe is 50 years old, 55 years old, the MMR. My older children have certainly had that, and my older children are basically my age now. Your older children are basically your age now. What are you saying? My older children are old. They cross a line in which they're basically... Adults. Yeah. I mean, they're more than adults. They're my age. This has become a it's a foundation of childhood health that that that these three key vaccines are given at the same time. Therefore, therefore, it increases the likelihood that you're going to get them, that you're not going, you know, the other way, which is Trump is suggesting now, is that you should come back three, three different occasions.

39:22So you just set up hurdles, which is what he's trying to do. so that you don't get these vaccines. Now, why would he do that? Well, because he's in a desperate race at this point. I mean, he is trying to hold on to the MAGA base. If he can't turn out the MAGA base in the midterms, it will be a blue sweep. He'll lose the Senate on that basis. But the dismantling of a basic pillar of public health, I mean, you cannot believe he is trying to do this. I find it unfathomable. It's like saying to people, and I'm expecting to do this, stop washing your hands. Don't wash your hands. In fact, you know, washing your hands is bad for you.

40:10Washing your hands is one of the, you know, the basic points of hygiene. I will assure you that if he could say, don't wash your hands and keep the Senate, he would say, don't wash your hands. Yeah, no, I'm sure he would. I mean, this is all this. This is just a base and cynical political calculation. And he's in a and he has not been an anti-vax guy. I know. I mean, he's been. Until recently. He's been at best ambivalent about that. Well, it's really since COVID, right? It was the sort of backing off from Operation Walk Speed, his one achievement of Trump one, and then understanding that RFK had whipped up a base around this.

40:58Yeah, no, no. Prior to COVID, I think vaccines had never even crossed his mind. And he's a kind of a health fan, I mean, a, you know, very health conscious, you know, germaphobe kind of guy. Well, he says he is, but then you discover that he slept with Stormy Daniels. Right. Well, and you didn't use a condom with... I always think it's funny when people say, oh, I'm a germaphobe, and then you discover they have sex without a condom. Right. But nevertheless, that's the conceit. And there was... I mean, I'm sure vaccines, it just didn't cross his... Why would Donald Trump be concerned about vaccines?

41:40But how can we have an American president sitting in the Oval Office saying you shouldn't give a vaccine that has been, you know, a pillar of public health for the last 55 years? And then he gives this nonsense where he says, I took my children to their vaccine appointments with my wife and we broke up the MMR so they each had one singly. No one can refute this. His wife is dead and buried on his golf course. I'm sure the doctor is no longer alive and the kids won't know. I mean, according to Ivana's book, she did all the child raising and basically presented the children to him at 18. The idea that Donald Trump ever accompanied a child to a pediatrician is preposterous.

42:25Right. I mean, it just doesn't. No, this is the, I was just going to say this was the worst kind of cynical behavior, but it's clearly not. I mean, it's clearly done this again and again and again. This is what he does. And it is a measure at this point of his desperation. What I don't understand is why would he think that MAGA, the MAGA base, would want their children to go unvaccinated? Why does he think they would like to lose their children to measles or whooping cough or, you know, bring back mumps? Well, I mean, for a very good reason. I mean, that position, particularly in the MAGA base, the evangelical MAGA base, pulls very high.

43:16I mean, that's all that he's looking at right now. This is, I got to bring those people out. Those people are going to be the margin of victory or defeat in key races. Well, at some point, everybody's going to know someone whose child has had measles and been deadly ill. Well, not before the midterm election. If he's going to get Ken Paxton elected, he needs the anti-vax MAGA evangelical crowd. Ken Paxton. Oh, you mean the impeached attorney general in Texas? I mean the impeached attorney general in Texas who is divorcing his wife now with accusations of his own efforts to match Wilt Chamberlain's record.

44:09And on top of that, with questions flying about how did the attorney general of the state of Texas, who makes, you know, I don't know, a hundred something, yes, yes, yes, amass millions in property. I wonder how. I wonder how. Still, I spoke to someone last week who has been running an enormous business in Texas, and he said the Democrats were deluded if they thought James Tallarico was going to win. He said even though Ken Paxton is a horrible, horrible man, he's likely to win. Well, I always find that you have terrible sources. So we're going to see if that is the case, because I am optimistic about the Texas race.

45:01And as a measure of that, I would say Trump's sudden fervor about the MMR. He doesn't even know what the MMR vaccine is. And of course, he didn't accompany his wife to his children's pediatrician appointments. So another person that may or may not hold a Senate seat in her hands, Darlene Graham, the sister of Lindsey Graham, your former source, the hawk, the wild hawk. Everyone's famous source. Everybody's famous source, who famously said on the eve of the bombing, or I think actually a couple of days into the bombing, that Trump was like Roosevelt and that Bebe was like Churchill and that Trump was the best wartime president ever.

45:52He said that out of the front of the mouth and the sides of his mouth. He said other things. And the interesting thing about Darlene Graham, I know a whole bunch of people who have tried to talk to her because, you know, it's like she's replacing her brother, then people assume, well, you know, she'll be the source. She's not talking to anybody, which is probably reasonably good politics. Does she have much to say at this point? Well, she probably has nothing to say. And if she talked, she probably would say what she's not supposed to say because it appears that Darlene Graham is the candidate of Donald Trump, he's the person who appears to have talked her into running for her brother's Senate seat.

46:40Although, let us not forget that Donald Trump endorsed both people who were running for governor of South Carolina. When it became clear that his candidate wasn't going to win, he endorsed the other one. This candidate, Darlene Graham, appears not to have voted for Donald Trump. So did she vote for Joe Biden or did she just not show up? It appears that she did not vote in either 2016 or 2024. Did she vote for her brother? She may not even have voted for her brother. Well, she said very clearly she doesn't really have any opinions about foreign affairs. She may be a liberal. Darlene Graham may be a liberal.

47:26Well, she said that she wants to focus on domestic issues, right? We know that she's interested in public health. So I think she's an optician. And? Well, she's the person that, well, my point is. Opticians are liberals? No, my point is she's the person saying is it better this way or this way? No, no, no. That's an optometrist. The optician is the person who grinds the glass to make the lens. Oh, really? I thought an optician was the person that did the eye test too. That's the optometrist. Oh, goodness. It's so complicated. Well. Who does it in your country? This is my country, Michael. This is my country.

48:10So is she the person that helps select the frames? You haven't convinced me or Donald Trump of that. Has. Is she the person that helps you select frames? Yes. Okay. So what would she think of your frames? I don't know. So maybe I have no idea. What do you think of my frames? I like your frames. I like your frames. And we've had this conversation because of the Trump hair and how he chose it as a feature. It's a very distinguishing feature. And you made the point, which several of you commented on, actually, that Joe Biden was translucent. You couldn't actually see it. All he had to do was get a pair of dark glasses, Cary Grant.

48:50Well, and as I pointed out, he always had his aviators. That was his distinguishing feature. But he didn't wear them all the time. And as you pointed out, they're very light frames. You wanted him to wear thick black Joe 90 glasses. He would have looked very different. Yeah, no, he would have won. We wouldn't be in this mess but for a set of dark frames. Is that true now? Is that true? So Darlene Graham, Trump may well withdraw his endorsement of her, but for now she's got it. The primary that she's running in, which is today, so there'll be a result tonight, tomorrow. And the likelihood is that she will not get over 50%, so then there will be a runoff.

49:38And then actually I think the likelihood is that she'll probably be defeated. Well, we can talk about it on Thursday. I mean, super interesting for Darlene Graham, especially if she hasn't voted for Donald Trump. But it would really be interesting if she won and then she turned out to be a liberal, a Trojan horse. A liberal optician. A Trojan horse optician Graham. Fantastic. And then with the Senate majority in the balance, then she could become a Democrat. Wow. Fantastic. That is interesting. Interesting. What do you think is going to happen with Susan Collins in Maine? Do you think she's going to pull through?

50:20I do not. Oh, so you think Troy Jackson's going to win? I do. I may change that opinion, but at this point, I think she's got a problem. Well, she was clearly trying. I mean, she's had a problem, but I think it's getting worse. And I think every indication from Trump is the sense that they know it's getting worse. Mm-hmm. Interesting. Very interesting. So we have some poems. The first one is from someone called Ms. Coffee, one, two, three. The judges have blocked the ballroom. They've probably sealed their own doom. They're on the side of right. Trump will continue to fight while the people get nothing but gloom.

51:05More gloom. More gloom. I know I missed out more because I wanted to give it a slightly better rhythm. Sorry, I was editing as I went there. Okay, now we've got another one from Edits, who is a regular contributor of Limerick's. Of the myriad threats that beset us, who'd have thought the only one that would get us wouldn't be Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or even aging Soviet sleepers, but just a humble bag of crispy green lettuce. Okay, that's got to be the winner. I think that is the winner, but there's one more. and obviously that was referring to cyclospora, which is seven times higher than it normally is at this time of year.

51:46Thanks, FDA. There once was a fellow named Trump whose coiffeur acquired a new bump. Was it wig? Was it glue? An extension or two? Only his hairdresser knows about that clump. That's from JF5336. I'm very curious about the names that people choose for themselves online. When I go on our premiere editions and lots of our viewers and listeners are chatting away, I've got to know some of their kind of strange names, like there's Jock McFrosty from Canada. There's Hippie Artist One. There's a whole range of interesting names. And then obviously there's Garfreed and there's edits and, you know, people pick, I guess, maybe their old nicknames or whatever.

52:39I don't know. You're just Michael Wolff. I mean, mine, yeah, I'm Michael Wolff, NYC. It seems like, are these people trying to hide their identities? Are they trying to augment their identities? I'm not sure. You can tell us. You can tell us. But if you have been, thank you. And are these identities specifically for YouTube? Do these go across other platforms? No, I think they're specifically for YouTube. What's your YouTube handle? My YouTube handle is Beast Joanna. Well, that's odd, too. Is it odd? It's fairly straightforward. You should be Beast Michael. I'm going to get Beast Michael for you.

53:18I don't want to be Beast Michael. I want to be Michael Wolff. I see. Okay, okay. All right. I just wanted to indicate who I'm from. Beast Joanna. Beast Joanna. If you have been, thank you for putting up with us. Thank you for joining us. And don't forget to subscribe. People ask me what you're like. I say she's a beast. Okay. Do you say that? No, but I'm going to from now on. Okay. Lordy, lordy. How much more of this? How much more of this? Well, that's an interesting thing. How much more? Do we do this for another year? Another year after? And what do we do if this goes on after he's no longer the president of the United States?

54:04Well, I think we know it will. I mean, you've just painted a picture where he takes the money he's raised. He takes Griff Force One, the Qatari plane. He sets up essentially an alternative administration in Mar-a-Lago and cleaves the base to him. Yeah, I think that that is true. So you mean we're going to be doing this until he dies? Until he goes to Mar-a-Lago in the sky. Yeah. Until he goes to that great patio in the sky where he can dance to his heart's content, YMCA. Dies. Trump dies. Okay. I guess we've got to be on the scene for that. But first, the midterms. Big thanks to our production team, Ryan Murray, John Romero, Rachel Passer, Heather Passaro and Neil Rosenhaus.

54:52So the good news is we have so many B-beast tier members now. There are too many names to read out and we really appreciate your support. When it comes to my policy, Farmers gives it to me straight. So there's no surprises. It's your coverage. You should never be confused. You hear that? An insurance provider with a conscience. We're a choir, but yes, we have that too. Straightforward coverage you can literally understand. That's what you get when you have farmers. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Learn more at Farmers.com. Underwritten by Farmers Truck or Fire Insurance Exchanges or Affiliate. Products not available in every state.

55:32Kick off the fall season with Decovas. Our quality Western boots are handcrafted with 200 meticulous steps for broken in comfort right out of the box. and each pair is built for all fall's festive moments, from game day to tailgating to outdoor festivals and long weekends. Find your perfect pair and customize them with complimentary boot stamps and branding at a Tecovas store near you or shop with us anytime at tecovas.com.