We Got Banned | Ep. 081 Lemonade Stand 🍋

22:35Atrioc:So October 1st is the point at which every day, Every day they have to pay$7 million just because to Warner Brothers for not getting the deal done. They would still have to pay a breakup fee later on if it broke up, or they'd have to pay for the fucking deal, which is massive. It's a huge amount of debt, huge amount of money. Anyway, Larry Elson does a Hail Mary, and he says, if I don't get this deal through, I'm going to leave California with Paramount. We're going to take our, I don't know, 60 ,000 jobs and$2.1 billion in economic activity, whatever. And we're going to go to, and they bought studio space in Nashville, Nashville, Tennessee.

23:15And they were like, literally, we're like, look at the deed. We're going to go. And Rob Bonta comes out and says, this is blackmail. This is a textbook, energized case. We're not going to succumb to it. And then a lot of people in California. Did he succumb to it? He succumbed to it. beans and then over a long weekend rob bonta even though he said that publicly privately talked to their 12 ags and said hey we can't we this is too risky apparently he's under a lot of pressure from both karen bass and gavin newsome and but also a lot of people like the directors guild of america iazi which is like a hundred thousand strong union of film workers in california everybody came out of the work and said the risk of them leaving california is too high and so this it's frustrating to me because i've seen shit like this happen on a smaller scale i remember when um the weird example but i remember when bobby kodik of blizzard came to twitch and said if you don't give us a hundred million dollars for overwatch league we're gonna pull the blizzard games off twitch and i remember thinking like he's not gonna it's what a fucking joke like nobody's watching him anywhere else it's important but everyone just got scared everyone all the executives got scared and i think there's a lot of fear that happened here and so the the deal they were hoping to get didn't happen and they got some concessions but they're so minor compared to what was being talked about so what they really wanted was like to force them to divest and break up some parts of the massive company that would exist sell off things like cnn sell things like cbs one thing i will say and i want to hear your thoughts on this too is during this whole negotiating process so just for the audience paramount and warner brothers combined will be a massive media company.

24:58They'll own many, many different properties. I couldn't even list them all. Maybe if you had to list them. But the main thing they'll have is two gigantic streaming services, HBO Max and Paramount Plus merging. That'll be almost as big as the two big ones, which is like Netflix and Disney Plus. I think they'll still be third, but it'll be very, very close. And so on Larry Ellison's side, it's clearly that's what he cares about. He wants to build this gigantic streaming service with all his properties. they have Harry Potter they have fucking every HBO thing you can think of they have DC the list goes on the Matrix Lord of the Rings there's a ton and ton of properties but all the people in these largely Democratic AGs and politicians that were talking about this they only fucking cared they kept talking about CNN and from my POV I'm like who the fuck cares about CNN.

25:53It has like 50 ,000 viewers. It is nothing. There's an XQC stream that has more people than CNN. CNN is not a major fucking political force anymore. It is a few old boomers. And, but everybody, they were so concerned about CNN cannot be influenced to be more right-leaning or whatever. And so one of the big concessions they got out of them is that there's gonna be an oversight board of five independent journalists over CBS and CNN, which are now owned by this combined thing, to prevent them from being, you know, swayed in a journal. It's just like they didn't talk enough about the fact that this is a market power play.

26:29And they're way more concerned about like the political leanings of different platforms and making sure that, I mean, that's a problem. It is a problem that a close Trump ally is buying a gigantic amount of media and has with Barry Weiss influenced them to be more partisan. That's a problem. But at the end of the day, these are fucking small potatoes. Like of this deal to look at that part and make that the thing you care about and try to get concessions on frustrated me a lot. That's the frustrated I had on the other side. But obviously my bigger concern is with fucking this gigantically rich billionaire, Larry Ellison, at every step of this process, using his political connections and money to push through this, like he shouldn't have won versus Netflix.

27:12They didn't, Warner Brothers didn't want it. Then he got, then he used his power to get that. And then the AGs had a really strong case against them and he got them to dismiss it by threatening to pull the money out. So I'm sorry. I went on a huge round. I don't know if you have any thoughts or anything I missed or parts of it you want to talk about. That's wild.

27:28Atrioc:That's what I wanted to do. No, no, you're right. So let me make sure I'm following this as well because my understanding is it's the deal or settlement, I should say, is like independent editorial boards for CNN and CBS and they have to release, Paramount has to release 30 movies a year and there's a$30 million penalty if they fall short of that. And so it seems like half of that - There's a key word in that. It's release. It's distribute, actually, is what the contract says. And if you look into that, it doesn't mean they actually have to make 30 films, which require them to spend a lot of money.

28:02And they can just release them. They have tons of films backlogged. Do you know how many times

28:07Atrioc:they're going to put Morbius in theaters? Yeah, they could do anything. They can do limited releases. They can do movies they've already made that are on the fucking shelves. They can buy a film from an indie distributor and release it, but at a low, there's so many ways around this weasel word. And last year they released, I think 17 films and they're on pace to release 15 in the next year. And that's it. And that's not, there's no big change. They're going to do exactly what they wanted. I saw a really great piece and I'm trying to remember who it's by, but, um, I know I'm a, I'm a fucking antitrust Andy and maybe there's a world I'm not even going to, even if I'm being the most charitable, Maybe there's a world where you can make a real argument that this guy primarily wants the streaming assets.

28:48At the end of the day, Netflix is the antipower gorilla. They're still super big. This guy could merge HBO Max and Paramount Plus and it's not like destructive market power, even though it will certainly cause layoffs in LA. It's already happening. There's a great article that came out today. People are already gearing up for layoffs of these companies because these companies have, you know, two HR departments, two finance departments, two whatever. They're going to eliminate one. But even if you agree that it's not an antitrust violation for these two companies to merge and be around the size of their competitors, even though we end up with a fewer number, total number of streamers, which is a problem.

29:22But OK, the conditions you make upon this deal. There's a long history of when they do these antitrust deals. The companies will say almost anything during the process to get it through. and then once it's through, it is so much harder to enforce or claw back. Like your period of maximum leverage against them is before it happens. And if you do not get solid in writing commitments, if you get any kind of weasel words, if you don't make the punishments clear, they always seem to walk back. I mean, again, a huge part of the Activision Blizzard Microsoft deal, they talked over and over again about how layoffs were not gonna be part of it and they're not gonna, and then there's been, there's layoffs today.

30:04There's more, they've been done layoffs, they've done wave after wave after wave and there's nothing you can really do about it once it happens. And so these commitments they're asking them to make about number of movies and keeping things in California. And listen, they're keeping these in California because that's where the town is right now. And that's where they're fucking everything set up. If it turns out it's more profitable to move to Nashville later on, they're going to fucking do it. And so it just feels like a real backtrack. And what I want to say is I looked into the punishments for things like it.

30:30What if they just literally don't release a film next year? They're not going to do that because they want to make money. But if they just didn't do it, The punishment is like they have to spin off Miramax. It's like these tiny little concessions. Like the concessions they made, they just have nothing in writing that is like a hard, fast limit. And again, one of the big concessions they were forced to make is like, they cannot interfere with the journalistic integrity of CNN and CBS. And that'll be determined by this individual review board. But there's no like thought of what happens if they do.

31:00What happens if there is that influence?

31:01Atrioc:Not only that, Reuters said, the commitments are temporary and expire within three to five years. That's for the 30 movies annually and the independent editorial boards. Yeah. So we'll get independence for three to five years. And then Larry's son will be the chief editor. Yeah. And then this whole thing is Larry Ellison's fucking rich kid. So now owns two of the biggest studios in all of Hollywood. Skydance media. he's become a gigantic media titan all of his dad's tech money and political connections and I just think that's awesome yeah well I do think some part of it I'm kind of disappointed in Rob Bonta and Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom all for kowtowing to this or backing down but I do think some part of it I think Rob Bonta had a statement that it like sucks to hear but he's basically saying like the truth is there's a real chance we would have lost this in court which is true which is true.

32:01Like the antitrust argument on a purely like streamer size basis. It's tough to say. I think it gives, I think this whole combined media empire is obviously too powerful and obviously too tight in politically, but whether they would have been struck down, I don't know, probably not. And then if they lose and then they get no concessions, they were trying to get some concessions and like balance everything, but it just, I just, the whole thing kind of sucks. It just sucks because I think they had some real momentum. him i think the 12 states were making progress and i think larry ellison was backed against the wall and did this hail mary leave california thing and it just annoys me how quickly it worked

32:37Atrioc:yeah yeah this quote here seeing an opportunity to quote resolve a case in the bedroom rather than the courtroom yeah because he got fucked he got fucked oh nope that says boardroom excuse me yeah yeah i think it was always at risk maybe some context here it is true i haven't looked into maybe you have like the exact details about the perception that Hollywood is no longer producing movies but certainly I've seen uh you know many actors talk about this many producers and anecdotally you know like before this job I worked in like production in LA and we've lived in LA for you know seven years and anecdotally most of the people who talk about being in the industry in LA it is harder to get work there are fewer movies there are fewer tv shows you have I mean you know like the people who made The Office for example or talk we'll talk about like we used to would film stuff we could film it here in la and nobody can do that anymore and so there is a i think real sense of urgency and you hear this when you listen to the mayor of la race going on and the california governor race going on of like one of the golden eggs of california one of the most influential things in the fucking world which is hollywood media uh that that is going away and has been rapidly and is not really being clawed back and then to have one of the major studios in LA leave would be potentially catastrophic.

34:00Atrioc:And so that's why I think you see that much pressure from all the people working in the industry. No, they're genuinely afraid. They clearly got to them. Their entire tone changed in a weekend. The pressure was enormous. Yeah. The backlash from, again, film unions all throughout LA, like people don't want to see 60 ,000 jobs disappear instantly. But you have, you have like hundreds of thousands of people already who are, who feel like the California opportunity is slipping away. And then this would be just horrific to them. So that's where the pressure comes from. Yeah. And they are, I mean, there's like attempts, I think to bring filmmaking back to LA, there's new tax packages being rolled out.

34:35And I think obviously this happening would have undermined all, it would have been a bigger loss than anything that would incrementally gain.

34:42Atrioc:Right, right, right. And so, but it's just, you know, obviously it's frustrating to see a billionaire use a threat like that to get, like this should be as Rob Bonta said a straightforward boilerplate antitrust case and it it really wasn't it wasn't treated that way it was treated for larger political reasons um so it is frustrating uh that being said I mean like you know it's possible they just run the shit into the ground well whatever it's like at the end of the day if you don't do a good job your market power only goes so far the guy bought CBS they put Barry Weiss in charge of it the viewership is down to like a fraction of what it was.

35:18Atrioc:Yeah. That is a piece. I, man, it's weird to hear the reverence with which the average boomer talks about media. And it is, it is really, it's bizarre to be a content creator where no joke, I can talk about what it would feel like to give birth out of my asshole on stream. And that clip will get 400 ,000 views on YouTube. And then you watch CNN do coverage of whatever, and it has 5 ,000 views on YouTube. And it's like, why is this the most important thing like this is not where they care about it so much i mean trump both sides they care about it they think it's like this existential battle over the soul of cnn and it's like you've lost the plot nobody fucking cares this should give him cnn it doesn't that doesn't matter like just don't give him the insane market power and the ability to lay off 20 000 people instantly you know that's the part that people should be concerned about but they they seem to care more about the other thing uh that being said evolving story we'll find out more on it maybe there could be more drama and i know like we speak for everybody watching we say we're excited to see the new harry potter show on warner brothers now yeah i'm sure they're going to partner with more for this show comes from monarch you might wonder why is a not here this week he didn't go to sweden for fun he went there he is deeply in debt due to the swedish mafia because he is horrific at managing finances you gotta just see the type of weird stuff he spend which is why he needs monarch monarch is a personal finance app that puts your entire financial life in one place from your accounts and investments to your spending and saving goals maybe we can throw up a little image of like the cool graphs and stuff that show you how everything is being spent great way to track everything it really is i don't think it would help him doug i don't think i think he's too far gone yeah i saw him buy 1 000 monclair sweaters at once because he said yeah there's a thousand days ahead of me i'm gonna there there was a time the three of us went out to dinner and like we needed to split the bill and he started counting out individual pennies.

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38:30Atrioc:Hey, you want to hear about wacky AI misuse? Yeah, dude, AI is, it's back. It's back. AI's fucking bad. My God, I feel like there's been, ever since that employee, the Anthropic employee, it is famous, I'm quitting because of AI danger thing. There has just been nonstop new news on that front and other things. So I'm excited to hear what this is. Yeah. Cool. So Anthropic, every few months or so, they release a document talking about the various misuses of their AI that have been happening. So this is a little separate from the broader conversation about how rapidly we should be developing things.

39:07Atrioc:Okay. And so this is from last December until this August. And they have basically listed some of the most unique or extreme cases of people using Claude for nefarious things. And for each one of these, this is like them reporting, hey, we saw this attack or misuse. We disrupted it. We reported it to the authorities. But some of these are crazy. I don't know. Just scroll through in the background, Perry. There's 150 pages. It's quite a lot. But some highlights include Russians who are using Claude to attack Ukrainian officials and steal drone technology like drone vision tech, which they then are passing to Russian weapons manufacturers.

39:45Atrioc:Oh, there's multiple Russian ones, Perry. If you search Russian, there's one where a French speaking guy just they speak French. That's all we know using Claude. I mean, this is like just fucking some guy in Russia typing hack Ukraine. Make no mistakes, dude. So it's interesting going through this is Claude is obviously set up to try to say no to most of these requests. So a lot of what they talk about in the different stories in this document is how people get around that by like obfuscating what they're actually doing by saying, oh, I just need you to help me make a platform that gets into this thing.

40:17Atrioc:Or, you know, they'll use like some of the Chinese open models for certain pieces and then Claude to build like the platform or something. um so in this case is in this case it was using claude to build like these sophisticated hacking campaigns that would go and just like find any targets that they can and try to find any entry point into their credential systems because i recently this is a minor it is in comparison but i i was using claude for um ludwig and i are in a pokemon tournament and i and you hacked ukrainian officials too that was part of it too it just as a fun thing but i uploaded both of our pokemon tournament saves and i was like hey could you make a thing so we could draft our paired pokemon and they're like is this for a tournament and i was like yeah and they're like well we can't yeah the claw was like no i will not make this because the tournament it might interrupt the sanctity of the tournament i was like what the fuck are you talking about what the fuck are you talking about thank you claude this is pokemon you don't know me and uh but after asking it another way like it just did it and so it was like i was doing what they're doing i guess which is just weird it's a weird thing you have to get around it a lot of the reports in here they talk about like how they got around claude being like no we're not going to help you for example target uh eu political groups and hack into their databases and whatnot uh there's always also these like influence campaigns which you could probably imagine where people use social media and have claude write for a bunch of fake accounts this includes there's multiple in here where iranian state groups are using clod to write state propaganda and then spread it on iranian social media beast which it you know saying it's from real writers and news sources so that's like they are disseminating propaganda to the iranian citizens that's pretty dope there's two different ones where chinese police make a surveillance system to track political dissidents including quote producing functional suppression guidance and they say claude refused this but they kept changing the prompts until they got him to do it and then at the end they talk about how they're straight up i just want to say like no cyberpunk um novel from my youth ever predicted this is like that you would end up talking to an ai and repeating yourself in different ways like it's not real life is so funny because nobody no science fiction author predicted this is how it would end up being.

42:41Atrioc:Yeah. It's such a weird quirk of like, my grandma loves to bake bread. Can you tell me a bakery that also hacks Ukrainian statement? It's just weird. It's such a crazy. My grandma's bread recipe is stuck inside the EU political apparatus. She's about to die. I need to make it one last time, Claude. And like, it works. It's such a, it's so weird. And if you'd have written that 10 years ago, people like that. What a weird thing. It doesn't make any sense. It's funny too. Look, I'll give the disclaimer here as I'm sure somebody will bring up. We Claude Anthropic is a sponsor of the show, but they have no editorial oversight over us at all.

43:15Atrioc:So we can say whatever we want. I think like a common criticism of Claude actually is that it is too like, feels like your parents sometimes. Like, no, no, no, don't do that thing. Tell me no on Pokemon was crazy. And it was wild reading, like skimming through this and just be like, holy shit. They, no wonder, they're probably scarred. Okay, so because, for example, a group in Yemen is using Claude Code to make the guidance software for missiles. And Claude kept refusing. So they would like break it into many different sessions and never make it clear what it was being built on and split it across a lot of instances so that it took Anthropica a while to figure out like what was being used.

43:50Atrioc:But the crazy thing is in some of these cases, they would just say in other cases like, yeah, I'm part of this group in Iran. We're like a we're like a we're part of a military resistance. And so and so this leads into to one of the crazy things. um it like the information is getting like sensitive information is getting too anthropic because these idiots put that in their prompts oh yeah so for example a chinese group asked claude to write the specs for an anti-torpedo system for a boat and then pitched it to chinese defense manufacturers while lying and saying they were a u.s defense manufacturer and then there's a whole section near the bottom where they talk about deep seek and kimmy so we have talked about deep seeking kimmy as the two big chinese ai models who are really disrupting the like american ai system right and uh and there's been all these accusations from anthropic and open ai that they are sort of improperly using claude and open ai to to train their own models so amongst that also being in this document they say this is what anthropica said which is that moonshot uh kimmy which we talked about a couple months ago has secretly been forwarding requests to claude instead of running them on kimmy quote in one instance over a 10-day period moonshot relayed almost 300 000 customer requests to anthropic using a proxy service next network of 5 000 fraudulent accounts so moonshot the chinese darling right now is for some percentage of people clearly not all of them but sending them to anthropic and just being like i don't know whether it's it doesn't say in here Is that because they didn't have enough compute power?

45:29I don't, I was looking at this, so I want to figure it out because 300 ,000 is obviously a very, very small fraction of the number of requests. Yeah. Both Kimmy and Deepsea get.

45:37Atrioc:It seems to do with the harness. So basically if somebody is using a third party harness to put it simply, it's like the wrapper around the AI that people use to help coordinate all of this stuff. If the wrapper is a third party program, not something that moonshot made then moonshot. if they recognize that is more likely to send that customer's request somewhere else oh and they're kind of like hey this person isn't using our full stack so we'll send them to anthropic anthropic and do this one also deep seek has been doing this and so they all you know so they say uh deep seek is also silently related exchanges to claude now what that means is you have people for example in china or russia who are using chinese models yeah because they don't want it to go to america who are leak who are leaking data to anthropic so here's two examples a chinese government tech company asked deke seek to analyze private data including the full specs and strategy of a flagship chinese government ai program quote the company was almost certainly not made aware that its data was being relayed to claude like they just sent that to an american to an american company who then forwarded it to the american authorities i heard one of them uploaded full satellite data there was a some deficiency in china they uploaded a full satellite imagery data that they had from their private servers yeah to they what they thought was kimmy or whatever and then it fucking dario's sitting there on his laptop being like okay and there's another one uh russia a russian defense agency told deep seek to help with an it task and it was sent to anthropic and quote exposed live credentials for russian government databases so these people are using chinese models that are just sending it over to anthropic um so this this is just kind of crazy the amount of the variety of crazy malicious use cases uh that actors around the world are using for this stuff so you know obviously the hope is this doesn't get too out of hand it is certainly very scary the hope is that you're going to have more people fighting back against this type of stuff but one of the clear themes from this document that they say explicitly and you can pick up if you just read through it it's that people who could who were maybe like small fry hackers before have become much more sophisticated and it's much cheaper to run these operations because of ai it used to be more of a distinction between this is like a real legit hacker group which is which is worrying versus this is a couple like rogue programmers in yemen or whatever but now these ai tools are really leveling up bad actors it's a little scary um man wild that's my that's my line oh sorry sorry hey what do you think about this like that's wild damn dude no this is truly a fascinating release it's i do feel like this is a weird era where not only is um my gut tells me if you flash forward 20 years just open public access to this, to models like this, and also the information like this won't exist.

48:42I just feel like this is going to be something that will no longer. We're in an era where everything feels very open. Do you know what I'm? Yeah. Maybe I'm wrong. I could be wrong, but I just feel like this, the more powerful they get, the more eventually something will happen. I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying that's, it is just so wild that anyone, anywhere in the world basically can can boot up this level of intelligence and use it for whatever they want it's just a weird thing it's a weird start designing missile guidance systems

49:09Atrioc:i you know and it's i think it's worth us uh presenting the counter argument to what we just talked about which is that you could argue that anthropic is presenting this stuff basically as a scare tactic to say you know with a lot of these things like there was a great there's one where like a group in turkey set up a thousand fake accounts to manipulate the malaysian elections and then tried to get a contract with malaysians like regulator and basically be like you should pay us to manipulate your elections for you and quote we found no evidence that this pursuit succeeded so a lot of these things don't like end up working in this document but you could argue that like you know anthropic is very very public about these types of things and is the one of the most, I don't know, vociferous companies about we should be putting regulation in and stopping the access.

49:59Atrioc:Exactly what you're saying. And you could obviously argue that the goal of that is for them to become a walled garden, to get a bunch of regulation set up so they become the winner, right? No, 100%. Steve Eisenman made a great point about this that kind of went semi-viral, where he talked about the big push from Anthropic, OpenAI, even Elon joined. Everyone was on the same page for a few days of pacing the frontier and how they've all dramatically overspent and making this tied in with government regulation and making a few walled garden oligopoly would be benefit a hundred percent i do think that there's there's two minds of it i i because half my brain is like i've seen this shit get way way way scarier in two years yeah so clearly there's something there's not it's a kernel of truth in there and then i also i'm like my every instinct of my body is like there's some financial trickery of foot and it was sure would be nice if they could find a way to like offload some of the uh competitive pressures which is like they're feeling from each other dude the price war is getting crazy as of like today uh open ai and anthropic both cut their prices to like they're they're already not making money they're both like these crazy price wars and they have kimmy and fucking uh well anthropic is profitable they were profitable for their second quarter yeah they're profitable with a lot of fucking a lot of caveats a lot one of which is that now that the the yemen terrorists aren't using it to build missiles that's a huge cut their profits it is yeah it is funny like most of the illicit like terror there's a whole black market emerging in like the ai ecosystem where people use ai to hack to get api keys so that they can charge other people's accounts to keep using ai that's like a whole token wars yeah yeah 100 uh okay actually a different subject i'll bring up i want to talk about this it's not a huge topic but i it's relevant so it's uh you saw facebook's new muse thing this is unironically i'm going to look at you and say i don't know about this ai topic can you teach me oh great awesome i don't know a ton about it but okay so facebook for whatever it's worth i think ai is bad okay good you'd be that guy perfect and i'll be the ai is good guy the only two stances the only two stances you can have there's no uh no look okay so a little context which we all probably know but facebook has been a laggard in the ai wars they've spent the same amount of money as everybody but obviously their um direct to consumer ai platform i didn't forget what it's called is it called muse before what was it called the it was uh llama no it was uh well llama was the open store i mean they've had a variety i know but it's so bad that i don't even remember the name it's chad gpt it's uh claude and it's whatever it's a zucker board zucker board anyway no users and then they have done very poorly and they also had that ai fucking app that didn't get any traction oh yeah yeah um so they've been spending the money and hoping for something finally it seems like they have a product that people might be interested in and this is muse which came out which is basically like um i'll describe how it works which is you give it access to everything on your life on your phone, which is your emails and your text messages and your contacts and all your accounts for Amazon and everything else.

53:06And then it runs AI agents that can handle your life. So you can say, I want to book a movie for a Saturday. Can you reorder my toothbrush or whatever it, you know, it's one of those things where you're probably not giving your data to the best person in the world for it, but that's, he's made his whole career off that. And people are saying it is remarkably useful. Now this has already existed in things like open claw and similar to that, but they packaged it in a way that's very clean and consumer friendly. It's almost Apple-esque how it's like, it just works. You put it in and people have noticed that it can do things.

53:36This is like on your phone or on your laptop? Either. It's both. Oh, wow. Yeah. It just said on Google Play.

53:41Atrioc:Wait, so you just give it access to everything and it can just use all those apps? Essentially. Yes. It's an AI agent that can use all your apps and you give it full access. Yeah. And - Be like, hey, I need to change my doctor's appointment. Go ahead and make that missile guidance system. Exactly. Yeah. Those kinds of things. Reorder my toothbrush. Anyway, so this hit very, very high downloads. I think number one in the App Store. It's been very, very successful. It's the most successful product that they've had in AI thus far. It hit the ground running. People are reporting pretty good use cases.

54:10Now, obviously, I'm not signed up for this, but I've seen video. I watch people walk through it. It seems like it does. It's what you want it to do if you don't care about privacy. What is a use case? like the major use case is like um the convenience of having a uh semantic search of everything you've ever did so like when you're like man i don't remember who i had to follow up with on this thing and it's like well i searched through 10 million emails this is the guy this is the contract i can handle both where it's like it's like fucking chat gpt but if it had access there it's like an assistant it's an assistant and uh there is use cases for that and people have found them the interesting thing is i look at this and the first instinct i have is that this is probably going to be somewhat the direction we're going this is a successful product i can just tell whenever i've been like if the major crisis of something is privacy even if it's 100 true it has never stopped the public ever in my entire life we've never stopped at it and i'm sure it's not gonna stop now and whether it's them winning or someone else i can see that this is like a direction we're heading where you're gonna have a semantic agent maybe it's siri maybe it's whatever They have access to all your shit.

55:14And they're going to, so, so when you think through the context of that, this is like me just talking now is like, so today, or maybe yesterday, there was this big, uh, response from Amazon. Amazon saw how successful this app was and immediately realized, holy fuck, we might become, uh, commoditized. You may be with the layer underneath the user layer, which is the idea is like, once people stop interacting with individual apps and that's not going to amazon app i'm not going to you're just going to tell me if i just tell me what to do for this thing go buy it for me then all the sudden amazon is no longer that valuable because it can be replaced whatever the cheaper option is like amazon is the one-stop shop for a consumer so they go there because it's easier but if you're having an app tell what to do eventually they can be like if you told me to buy batteries and i can find a cheaper battery i just won't go to amazon i'll just i'll handle the fucking friction of that yeah that makes sense and so amazon realized this actually really quickly usually it takes incumbents a long time to realize they're getting fucking layered out like that and they they cut off access but even elon musk jumped in to this fucking conversation i wish i had his tweet in front of me it would be helpful maybe you can find it um and it's like isn't the ai just going to be able to spoof the user's actions and ip oh the idea is like it doesn't do it now right now if you're on muse you're like hey go rebuy my toothbrush on amazon it'll be like i'm sorry i I can't use Amazon.

56:39I've been blocked because of the thing. But eventually, it'll just be able to log in as you, open the app as you, do everything as you. And so I guess I'm just realizing from this, in this past few days from this Muse thing, that this is going to be like this insane arms race because it's kind of the way, and Zuckerberg is extra attuned to this because he is the guy that got kind of commoditized by the phone companies, by Apple and Google, which owned the layer of the phone and they had all the real power. And if you're the guy that owns the agent and you have all the users of the agent, then you get to dictate terms.

57:14Because let's say, for example, someone doesn't want to offer your agent a great deal on toothbrushes. You'd be like, all right, well, you're out. We have 300 million users. You're out. Yeah. And then you're fucked. It's kind of what Amazon does to suppliers. Like everybody wants to be the top layer where the consumer actually uses it because everyone underneath gets fucked. It's the way like restaurants get fucked by Uber Eats. Because if you're not on the app, then you lose all the access to the consumers. So I'm just realizing that agents are going to be that. And this war is going to be insane.

57:37and right now though likely it'll end up being fucking apple or google probably the winners

57:42Atrioc:right now google's been trying to do this every time i open my gmail or text or anything it's like you could connect everything and then we'll do it for you and i'm like i don't need that no i don't need that right now i personally don't want it yeah but having seen people respond to this it just feels like people didn't want it until it's like so convenient and like clean i i certainly think this is going to be like you said one of the biggest use cases of ai for the average person because I don't know, like I was just planning like my upcoming trip, right? Where like I'm having to figure out hotels for Japan and whatnot.

58:12Atrioc:And to be able to say, here are all the parameters that I want. Here are the things I'm interested in. You can go look at it and see my travel history. Go plan an entire itinerary. Do everything for me. Just I'll check things off real quick. But it's just a trip planner, right? And it does all this stuff. Like that would be convenient if it works well, if I trust it, many caveats. So it makes sense that they're all racing for that. Especially if you had like eight friends you're going with. Hey, can you email these people, get their schedules fit? You like do all this shit. One more thing I want to say on this.

58:40So again, I don't have too much more. There's the Amazon, there's the Elon Musk response.

58:45Atrioc:Amazon won't be able to tell whether the buyer is a human or an AI acting on their behalf. If access is via the user's IP address and cookies. Which seems to me to be true. Because I've seen demos of like someone with a MacBook screen open. Or if I have that video. And then they tell it to do something. And it literally just controls the mouse essentially and opens the fucking app. and that's not how it works now, but it can do that. And so it's a weird, there's no way to block it. Anyway, Zuckerberg, ever since 20, I don't know, 13, when Apple basically big dogged him and changed the privacy rules for his apps and didn't do it for Apple's stuff, he has been in a desperate fucking quest to be the top layer.

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1:00:47Atrioc:Well, do you think that Mark Zuckerberg talked to Muse and said, can you go get a deal with Greenland? To be honest, Doug, no. I don't think he did that. Well. But maybe someone else did. Trump did. Trump did, okay. Because Trump keeps winning, dude. He's on dub streak. He's on a fucking dub streak. We covered a couple L's in this episode, but I think it's within a larger C, I'm sure. We just never catch them. Yeah, the L's come and go. But a dub like this, literally, if I quote, forever, we will have forever a presence on Greenland. Greenland, baby. So Trump, Denmark, and Greenland, the prime ministers of Denmark and Greenland, signed an agreement.

1:01:30Atrioc:This is a wall meeting at the UN right now. It's amending an existing defense treaty from 1951. So the American government does not get to own Greenland. We're not changing the flags. And I do want to just make sure everybody writes a solemn 07 in the chat for that. However, this agreement does say that the U.S. can establish two new military bases. One is an old Cold War era military base, and there's another would be new. We already have one in the Northwest. Perry, you can pull up this Wikipedia page about it. If you click the image at the top right, it's tiny. Like, doofing. That's, yeah. It's just funny that this is, you know, what all the hullabaloo is around.

1:02:15Atrioc:But it will give America, like, broad access to, like, our navies and our airplanes will be able to. Do you know, like, so obviously the dunk on this that most people will do is, like, this is the deal we already had, you fucking buffoon. Is there anything new? Is there, like, a, is there? My understanding is this does expand it. So there's the two new bases that there's permission for. The U.S. can create a missile defense system, which, of course, Trump's calling the Golden Dome. So that would be if Europe is shooting missiles at us, which presumably is not going to come from France. It would come from Russia or something.

1:02:46Who knows with the way things are going.

1:02:49Atrioc:But basically, you know, missiles coming from that direction would likely go over the Arctic Circle. So that would be the idea for defense. And then the U.S.A. is going to have exclusivity on military bases where the agreement says that, or I shouldn't even say USA, non-NATO states cannot have a military presence. And then Trump said no U.S. adversary will ever be permitted to establish a military presence in Greenland anymore. So this is a signed thing. It does still need to get approval by the parliaments of Denmark and Greenland. But Fredriksen, the Danish PM, described the agreement as a deal that can, quote, last forever and said it underlines the importance of the NATO alliance and respects Greenland's right to self-determination.

1:03:30Atrioc:So it's, you know, what's nice... It just does not sound... I'm not trying to do the easy fucking Twitter dog, but it does not sound very different from the status quo. Like, I do not think that before this deal, Russia or China could have set up a military base in Greenland. But now it's written down. It's a massive job. I guess now it's locked in. Also, it's forever, as opposed to just being implied forever. Sure. I mean, yeah, this makes them stop fucking threatening Greenland. This is fine. It's a huge win, I guess. Yeah. We can move on from that shameful chapter. It's certainly being touted as a victory by Trump, which is like, we now have forever exclusive rights.

1:04:07Atrioc:I think you're right that it's not a major difference, but it is amending the defense treaty. I guess like the stories I read about this, like from Reuters are not going into explicit detail about how it's different. So there is military presence here, right? But I think this is expanding basically the freedom with which America has to just like go through all the waters, go through all the land, like without permission. and this like locks that in. Sure. My, my understanding is we used to have a lot more bases and we shut them down. So it's like what it wasn't like it was our choice to shut them down.

1:04:36It wasn't what we're trying to get back so we can make more bases. I think, I don't know. Let's drop a W in the chat. I guess it's fine. You know what? I think if, as long as the Greenland saga is over, that's honestly, that's the big win. It's great. As much as like,

1:04:48Atrioc:we definitely need the golden defense to protect us from Britain. Like it's mostly just like, he will now, he has a reason to be like, I won. I did the thing. I got the deal. And we will be like, yes, I think the green thing was so one of I mean, the Iran thing is probably the dumbest thing he's done. But this is one of the biggest distractions and and self-owns, especially as I think U.S. Europe cooperation regards to like manufacturing with China. All these things would be really important right now. And this green thing has been just so stupid. It hangs over everything. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm glad I'm glad that that's so funny.

1:05:23Atrioc:you know he the the agreement now is like no non-nato country can ever like establish military presence here but in order to get this deal he has torched nato's like appreciation he's like ruined the reputation of america and within nato i'm gonna say less to do with america it's gonna sound crazy but i have a feeling they could have got this deal without threatening to no i don't think that's true i know he's the art of the deal master i know maximum pressure i have a feeling they would have agreed to this prior without burning the bridge if you go into a gas station and you point a gun at the cashier and say give me the price listed outside no no you say give me everything in the store and they say no and then you say how about for 4.99 and they say yeah that's fine and they give it to you you won the deal i see he won i see oh you know what i've learning something every day from our from our goat negotiator all right that greenland story is this quick we got another quick one from you wait yeah so on this note uh i did a big a clip which is about the rising diesel crisis around the world i don't know if you've seen diesel prices have gotten pretty fucking insane yada yada and at the end of the clip i talked about how there was some rumors that perhaps the united states would follow suit with russia and ban diesel exports because the united states is a massive diesel exporter diesel prices are getting so absurd if you ban the exports and contain it only to america prices will drop in america you will um you know cut off a lot of people who had grown to rely upon you and there'll be problems with that but you will temporarily drop prices yeah we point the gun at everybody else and we say the oil's ours sure sure sure yeah in an emergency i'm not even saying it's the world's craziest thing but i'm saying right now it was being considered and a natural in the case of a natural disaster where a country you there's nothing we could have done and the diesel prices are rising uh trump came out and said he would support the u.s diesel export ban and there is a huge push for this on the republican side and i want to say that i don't know if they're fully thinking through the implications of doing this especially even though diesel is high this early into a diesel crisis because if you cut off the united states is a is again a massive maybe even the world's biggest exporter of diesel.

1:07:45Number one or like number two. It's really up there. And because of the sanctions we've asked people to put on Russia and because of the sanctions, because of the complications of the Iran war, there are many countries, especially those in Europe, who are absolutely going into this winter needing US diesel exports. There is not another way around it. And so if we choose to do this, yes, we will temporarily drop diesel prices from like$8 a gallon to$6 a gallon. Yeah. But the damage it's going to do and the political chaos is going to cause. And it will be a catastrophe because there's really, we've now, you know, kind of fucked up the world to the point where for a lot of people, we are the diesel source.

1:08:29And if you do this final cutoff, the second thing will happen is you're going to create the fucking most entrenched black markets in this country for diesel as you've ever seen. because the price gap between what it is at home and what it is out there will be so massive that the fucking infrastructure for people to fucking have untracked diesel sales is going to be massive because there's going to be too much demand for the fucking mismatch. So I would just say, I think this is a foolish decision and he's rushing into it really quickly based on political pressure. And if you think about it for two seconds, it's probably not a good idea to do it.

1:09:02I don't, if Trump, if you're watching, I know you banned us from the White House. Well, if you do it,

1:09:07Atrioc:then you get leverage to get Greenland. hopefully with Greenland locked in. Right when the deal finishes, he pulls another gun from his other pocket and it's the diesel. No, this is really good stuff. What is... Yeah, an export ban would hit developing countries hard and send shockwaves across Europe, which is heavily reliant on imports of American petroleum. Again, Europe has a lot of refineries, but it doesn't actually produce a lot of the raw petrochemical that goes into the refineries. Like they produce 5 % of what they use. And like, I don't know, a huge chunk of that, 70, 80 % of that gap is coming from American sources at this point.

1:09:41Atrioc:America right now. And if they don't have it, it's going to be, they're going to need to pray for the warmest fucking winter in Europe. Otherwise... Well, we can help with that too. Let's spray some air as well. America has been solving that problem the last few decades too. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not going to... Yeah. There's not much more to the story. Do you know, so this is happening like right now where now at the UN they're meeting and Trump has said that he's meeting with the Iranian delegation. The odds that this gets resolved soon or at the UN, probably pretty low, given that there's been however many months now of it.

1:10:18Atrioc:Have you heard anything about that? So Trump is meeting with Xi Jinping this week, actually. I think he just landed. Xi Jinping just landed. There's the big Xi Trump summit in America. He's doing a sick military flyover to show how cool it was. Damn. And on the docket of discussion, major docket is this. Iran, I mean, sorry, China did step in and tell Iran to tell the Houthis to stop attacking Saudi Arabia because the fucking gas price situation is starting to get out of control for everybody. And China is back to buying gas, which they weren't doing before. They were totally off the grid. So I do think at some level, the biggest powers in the world and almost everybody is aligned that we have to stop this from getting worse.

1:11:03Atrioc:Yeah. So my assumption is even if you're the dumbest or whatever, cooler heads will prevail because the way it's escalating is going to be bad for literally everybody. If diesel keeps going up, it's the lifeblood of every global economy right now. Everybody uses it for trucking, trains, heavy machinery. And in France, they're out of it in some places. It's a problem. So I'm hoping this gets figured out. And it could. It could very well. I mean, oil prices are reacting like there's real chance of a deal. but they've been doing that for a while. Like, yeah, I don't know. So presumably, I mean, if China's buying diesel again and then Russia is having to ban diesel exports in order to save their own economy, they obviously do not want to, they want to ship diesel to people and sell it.

1:11:45They need it for the money for the war effort, but they did ban it because of Ukraine who has been destroying their diesel, um, refineries. So, Oh,

1:11:54Atrioc:it was less from saving their own economy. No, yeah, it was less from their economy and more from the fact that like they are in a diesel crisis because like half of their refineries have been destroyed wow and so they they're like you can't ship anything out and we're not at that level and so it's like crazy to jump to this extreme i think yeah so early as well that's basically what i'm trying to make the point of um but no more that's right let's look what else what else yeah sorry this is quick another quick one did you know that in texas data centers aren't cool anymore i did hear about this uh big Greg Abbott, the beloved governor of Texas.

1:12:27Atrioc:Now, for a while, he has been very, very, very pro data center. Texas has been building just a shitload of data centers and kind of trying to get to the number one spot. But we talked a month ago how he actually put like a halt on new data centers being connected to the main power grid, ERCOT. And so there was already some walking back. But now, so he's running for the fourth term for governor. and uh mark jones political science professor out of texas shows abbott leading hina josa 49 to 45 so he is in polls like ahead in this governor race but not by much he had double digit victories in the previous elections that he's gonna get texas yeah so for him to be this close for greg abbott who's like a you know a very well-known like one of the faces of like republican success blah blah blah um so now it's like he that that lead that he has is so narrow he is needing to massively backtrack on data centers in order to counteract this so he already did some freezing of stuff in august this week he announced total halt on all environmental permits for all data centers basically this is freezing new data center production for at least like a couple months um now it's not just hey if you want to get hooked into this data this power grid you got to get permission now it's like basically everybody across the entire state so he's probably still going to win this election uh he has a 67 million dollar war chest for the election which is more than 20 times the cash that his opponent has um but it's just it's it's wild to watch how quickly the data center conversation oh yeah is shifting despite trump still going hard on it he's in the paint on like three different issues lately trump has these are like 80 20 issues trump has just tripled down on the 20 side and i it's because like i don't like you reply to his tweet about changing the name that's his that's a whole other thing trump's response to now being on the 20 side of an 80 20 issue against ai safety which he's like there's no risks at all and data centers which is like, don't kill the golden goose was to say like, we should rename it to superior intelligence or super intelligence.

1:14:41Atrioc:It did a poll and that's his big idea. He was really into the poll too. He never, he never tweets. This is an actual tweet, not a true social. Yeah. He drops a tweet. It has three poll options. It's like superior intelligence, whatever. And then, then he hosts a runoff. He's like, well, there's so many close demands. And so we're going to drop the third one. This is not a thing that the president decides. I'm like, nobody fucking cares. This is not what we're asking for. It's a type of science. It just refers to a type of computer science. And so I think he ended up with superior intelligence.

1:15:11Yeah, no, super intelligence.

1:15:13Atrioc:I'm sorry, but it's... Oh, ladies and gentlemen, live from LS now, we are reporting that super intelligence has won the poll. And this is actually, by the way, a White House account poll, not the Trump poll, I guess. And it is going to be called super intelligence from this point forward. Oh, my God. I'm hearing right now that the data center issue has switched to it being 90-10 in favor. Yeah, super centers. No, it's super centers. These data super centers. He's flipped the public. Okay. Dude, speaking of public, if you pull up this thing from Bolly Market, I thought it's interesting that in Texas, which we talked about a couple weeks ago, James Tallarico is the Democratic senatorial candidate who is considered probably, at least when we mention it, probably he'll still lose.

1:15:57Atrioc:it is texas it's really really really hard to flip texas i'm glad because i was thinking this when you were talking about abbott which is i know the stat is that abbott is plus seven on paxton for republicans which means like if you're a republican voter in texas you are more likely to vote abbott um and not but there's plus got it so republicans who are down with abbot are not down with paxton exist and so if you're telling me that it's that close with abbott's race yeah then that is a really good sign for tallarico yeah because paxton has just i mean this is prediction markets tallarico is basically about a week ago i if you're if you're seeing the audio like or excuse me if you're looking at the video if you're seeing the audio over the past you know nine months or whatever it's been the the the odds have gotten closer and closer and closer between these two and then for the last like month or two it's been even 50 50 and then the last week it suddenly jumped where tallarico is up it's 62 odds to win and it's like changing rapidly so of course This is just, this is a prediction market.

1:16:58Atrioc:This is not the truth. However, it really, at the very least, there is immense pressure on the Texan politicians right now. And it would be crazy. Dude, I think it's this, I mean, gas prices, not even just diesel, have been rising like 30 cents a day. Like it's in some places. And in Texas, they've broken, you know, four and a half dollars, which is unheard of in Texas. And diesel prices are seven, eight bucks. And so I literally think it's like, it is the most obvious thing to point to, to be like, ah, fuck this, I'm done. I think for a lot of people. I saw a post from, he's a guy, he's a county Republican manager or something.

1:17:32I wish I could fucking show you this article. And he was like, yeah, dude, I've been trying to be able to come door knock and do these in-person things. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, the vibes were terrible. The vibes are just atrocious.

1:17:43Atrioc:You can't get people to show up. Everybody's just pissed at the Republican Party. And then if you pull this up, Perry, this is a fundraiser by George W. Bush and John Corcoran to raise for Republican senators. And they left out one person, which is John Paxton. I'm sorry, Ken Paxton. Sorry, Ken Paxton. They left out bags. They're literally they don't like him so much. They are fundraising for every senator, other people in their own state. So it's like Paxton is like he's like the I can't imagine a weaker candidate. He may still win. He may edge it out, but my God, like his own teammates don't like him, let alone.

1:18:21Atrioc:I know somebody who thinks different. Pull that poly market back up, Perry. Who? Okay. Okay. So on this page, I didn't know this, but you can see in the comments what people think about these. And there's a guy who says, thank you for the free money, leftist losers. And he put money onto Ken Paxton. And then someone replied to him and said, you have an all-time loss of$462. You can see they're full. and i was like wait you can see people's betting history and so i clicked on this guy who has a teemo profile picture from league of legends and you can just look at his activity and this dude just bombs and it's so funny that you can go look at a person and just be like you're a fucking idiot that is you can't go talk shit for ken paxton so anyway we definitely have some people who disagree and are very confident on the paxton train dog this is funny this would be the best way of stopping people from getting addicted.

1:19:15I wish you had the display that's above your head like a floating logo. He lost$34 on who would be the next Pope.

1:19:21Atrioc:What the fuck is this guy doing? Will Finland win Eurovision? He lost 50 bucks. Jesus Christ, man. Go spend that on CSGO boxes. I just love that people think they have fucking an edge on all these world events they're going to drop. Like if it would be that guy, he leaves a comment. It's like, you leftists think that Finland won't win the Eurovision? Oh, anyway. Anyway, fun stuff happening in Texas. The only thing I know about our final story is that the title is 9 p.m. 9 p.m. Doug, I've had one main theme. One great golden nugget of truth come out of all my time on this podcast. And I've reiterated over and over and over.

1:20:02And it's been, it's the thing that will outlast me. It'll be my legacy. It'll outlast me. It is the greatest thing I've left on this planet Earth. You know what it is? Is it the Daily Scroll? It's the Daily Scroll. Jesus Christ. By the way, you've left it in the sense that you've said it at a podcast a couple times. Yes, you're correct. And I've bequeathed it upon the earth. It is my lasting legacy and memory. Not the children I may want to have with my wife.

1:20:25Atrioc:And not doing it, we should be clear. Not making it. Not making it. But just saying it occasionally on the podcast. I have just brought it into the earth. I've spoken it into the ether. And guess what? As of today, I was tagged in this a bunch of times. This is from a guy named Fred who has created a new app called 9 p.m. What do you think the main conceit of 9 p.m. is? Based on how excited you are, I'm going to assume that there's a single hour from 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. where you can use social media. Holy! Yes! You upload only at 9 p.m. and it shows people what happened during your day. and everyone checks in at 9 p.m.

1:21:04and they see you at 9 p.m. This is not quite what I want yet, but we're getting almost assuredly, inexorably, the world turns towards the Daily Scroll. And I can sit here and smugly smile because eventually we'll get there. I know that we are on the path. So what is this missing in your eyes to become the Daily Scroll? Oh, I think this one is too much about things you have to, it's about telling you what happened during your day. It's like he sees it as like, it's a recap of your day.

1:21:32Atrioc:Like a gladiatorial, like political debate happening. Oh, I just want it to be social media. Like we have, I'm not trying to like fucking turn this into, what was that app where you took one photo a day that everyone did for like a... Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah, whatever that thing was. It's a gimmick, whatever that, but this is a gimmick still. The Daily Scroll is not a gimmick. The Daily Scroll is not a gimmick. It is us collectively regaining our time by compressing social media into a single hour of the day. And we're getting there, and I'm just going to keep you updated on the inevitable battle, okay?

1:22:02I am looking at the tides of history. I'm surfing them like surfing Pikachu, and we are eventually going to get there. In your design document,

1:22:10Atrioc:is there any concern for somebody who's busy during that hour? I have two problems with your sound. In the commute. Number one, do not use words like design document or anything that applies that I have to do the work. I'm not creating the daily school. I'm speaking into existence. I'm a prophet. I'm not building the church. Secondly, no. I don't think about the problems those are just for fucking operators to solve you're an ideas guy yes I'm an ideas guy and the greatest idea that I've ever bequeathed is a daily scroll and I hope I hope to god that my children will live in a world where they can scroll for one hour a day for one hour like this surfing Pikachu who has 50 HP it's funny because my first instinct upon seeing this ad was realizing like people would still spend a lot of time on social media prepping for the one hour getting all their content ready people work in factories all day long to produce content for the scroll there'll be a whole black market dude like who can get in on the daily scroll and get the most viral posts in the first five minutes is everything deleted after an hour can you look at it after an hour you're buying questions still i got the title on board okay these are the type of questions you ask when you're like sold in the general idea and you just want to figure out the nuances and i agree we'll solve those problems when we come to them.

1:23:25Atrioc:And just to be clear, is it possible? And I'm, this is maybe crazy that you could just maybe put restrictions on your phone to not allow you on social media during those other hours. And I don't think they've worked Doug. And I think it needs to be a societal lie. You're saying is there, it should have all the functionality of a social media website. They just don't allow users for 23 hours a day. That is correct. And it becomes a social event. Do you know, I'll give you an example here. We're going to end on this. um would remember when netflix came out with house of cards yeah with your favorite actor kevin spacey yeah yeah i say that uh and they introduced the concept of binging they released all the episodes at once and it was this fucking thing everyone was like holy shit this is the only way to view it yeah and then for a while everyone was like oh we got to make the season drop all at once binging and then over time all the streaming services have reinvented the weekly drop from first principles because they realize people like the idea of having a moment where it comes out we talk about it we post about it and now most shows have reverted to doing including netflix one drop a week or whatever for history and uh people like the social event doug they like the fucking time gated thing and i think eventually we will realize that putting social media into that will be the best form for us as communities do we ramp them up or do we just cut them off cold turkey like all the social media addicts do we just one day i would rip the bandit off turn on the daily turn.

1:24:44I think all the world governments rolled out one night in secret and it just everybody wakes up and their phone goes

1:24:50Atrioc:can't access once we're the only media company that's allowed into the White House that we whisper it to Trump imagine new executive order the thing is okay, wait, would you be okay with it is if he announced from today on truth social is the daily scroll. I will only tweet from 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. and nobody on my website can tweet it any other time. I mean, it would be a real step in the right. Finally, my three votes for him would mean something. Chat. That was chat. Chat. Chat. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Drop a big fat W in the chat if you enjoyed today's episode. If you want to get even more of the show, you can join our Patreon where we have an extra hour and we're going to be hearing from our lovely co-host Aiden on what exactly has been going on in Sweden.

1:25:38Atrioc:He did record himself talking about some Swedish elections. That'll be our. Oh yeah, we have boots on the ground footage from Aiden that we're going to cover in the Patreon. Boots on the ground in a hotel room footage from Aiden. And he's not wearing boots. He's wearing fancy. Socks on the ground in a hotel room from Aiden. Live from Sweden. He will be back with us again next week, but we will be able to hear a little bit from him. He did good interviews though. I'm excited to hear. And react to it like we're Twitch chat and we will say 07 and LO, which is the new meme. You can see all that on patreon.com.

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