EXTRA HOT: What Louis Theroux’s Manosphere LEFT OUT!

0:02This is a Global Player original podcast. Be warned, it's Luana and this podcast contains honest, upfront opinions, rants, bants and general explicit content. But you're here and we are dropping our second Luana Extra Hot. We're coming in hot.

0:21Anna Williamson:We are, we are indeed. And do you know what, Lu, this is brilliant because we did wonder, would the first Extra Hot go down well? and Lufanians, thank you. You have loved it in your drove. So we've decided that we're not going to shortchange you. We're always giving to you. And we couldn't not hop on to give you our little extra hot of this episode because so many people have been messaging us personally, DMing into the Luana Facebook group, you name it. Everybody has been kicking off. Yeah, everybody has been talking about the Netflix documentary with Louis Theroux, Manosphere. Yeah. Dum, dum, dum.

0:58Now, I am a huge Louis Theroux fan. Mate. I literally, I love that guy. Such a sexy man. I feel like, yeah, he is like a nation's sweetheart. Isn't he? And you know what was really funny in this documentary? Like, none of those dweebs had any idea who he was. They literally thought or still do think that they are better, more educated, greater, like, more famous than Louis fucking Theroux. absolutely not Mr. Little Weedy Bum Tiki-Toki.

1:30Anna Williamson:And doesn't it show as well that when you have a man that shows up as a healthy, masculine, intelligent, well-read gentleman that's not there about creating headlines for himself. Gentle man. Yeah, he doesn't want the headlines. He is there and he doesn't get... What I love about Louis is the grace that he shows. He doesn't scream shout. He doesn't input his opinion by design. He allows people just to see themselves as they really are. Louis Theroux, quite honestly, he is a sex god. He is just, yeah, I mean, look, he's everything that you'd want in a guy. Like, he's level-headed, he's calm, he's intelligent.

2:12He just, do you know, like, his best interview technique is saying nothing as well. Maybe I should take note. I love that about Louis Theroux. like he just sits back and he just like plants sits back stays quiet and it's his facial expressions

2:28Anna Williamson:as well don't you think he just pulls out this kind of eyebrow raise slight grimace do you know I am we'll get on to it at a second but I once met him a good few years ago doing I was doing some awards show and he was randomly invited and I saw him on this red carpet well I I don't even care that I embarrassed myself but I ran up to Louis Theroux and I was the biggest fan because he's just he is he needs to be knighted he needs to be knighted we're putting it out there I wonder if he will get like he's been he's been instrumental in like you know documentary making and he's like you know big a big deal but um let's talk about Manus Fair because it's gone it's gone crazy hasn't it and actually I asked um Dixie whether she'd seen it she had no idea what I was talking about she was like I've not heard about that it's not going viral and I was like it's kind of so I'm wondering is it just going viral in our sphere and in our age group and actually her teenage dirtbag age group haven't heard of it well Lou that is a brilliant brilliant question because I also tapped into my um my peers of the same age group as Dixie but boys so my mate who lives in America she's got two boys um who are 16 and 14 um and they are very much um on it they have seen it um and she actually she gave me some and I actually did say to her I was like oh my gosh and I know these boys obviously and I know my friends I know how they've been raised in what I would call a really good family you know not without challenge you know I think all kids are challenging for their parents but you know good dad really good present dad my friend's husband and she said she sat down with her boys to watch it and they were shocked um they were particularly shocked really such a relief and she said um and I said do you mind if I share actually maybe I should if you don't mind I said shall I say can I ask what the boys thought I was thinking I might get Dixie to sit down and watch it with me again yes I think I think do that well I think a lot of people have been saying so we've seen on our um everything official everything Luana official Facebook group lots of people I noticed were saying you know I've got a 12 year old boy does people recommend I sit down and watch with him or not and you know what it's it is so interesting I was very much looking at those comments as a mum myself of a boy thinking okay when is too young when is too old so anyway she she said I went what were their honest thoughts so she said both of them were pretty shocked to be honest anna one of her 16 year old had already heard of one old i think he's quite a representative kid of like a typical family right had already heard of one of of one of these two blokes on the show but didn't follow any of them but he said yeah i know i know him my friend watches him okay about one of them she said she said so these men are appearing on her son's algorithms scarily she said he thought one of them she went to hs tiki-tiki was an absolute dick and he said he was the absolute worst i mean he's awful no he was the worst he was the pits like he was real bottom of the shoe i mean awful well when you say a sentence like yeah i'm homophobic yeah i'm racist so what i'm like oh wow oh wow she then went on to say um she went it's kind of weird she said because my son her eldest who's 16 he's obsessed with fast cars nice watches a lot of the stuff that men seem to be flaunting on this telly show is rewards of their work which worried me but the way they talked and treated about women was definitely really shocking to both of the boys the eldest boy was particularly unimpressed with the guy in Miami who had a wife and kids but was allowed to have other partners I know sorry the one-sided monogamy is like the best phrase for cheating do you know what I mean do you know what I mean um but then she said and maybe this will help you Lou and other other Lufanians that are perhaps thinking of watching with their kids she then said I'm really glad we watched it together though as an entire family mum dad and both boys she said it sparked lots of things to discuss about why these men and their respective women might be like that and she's probably difficult upbringings in some cases cases approve of self-worth blah blah blah blah but anyway lack of dad in the picture that's like really coming through that was the thread in in all of this um and it the whole documentary is absolutely shocking and I think these men um that we saw portrayed are probably part of the most worrying group of men that I've ever seen and I think most people and I think you know and I what was particularly uh disturbing for me and you all know this Lou but I think just because this is a very by the way sorry if you're listening to this episode of Luanna Extra Heart and you don't know what we're talking about Man of Fear is a new documentary on Netflix hosted by Louis Theroux which um explores this kind of um in cell uh attitudes of men towards um women and and life in general and how like these these men are exploiting and targeting younger like children basically I reckon I'd say like you know 12 12 to 16 12 to 18 is their target market and they're kind of like spouting these views of misogyny.

7:47Yeah, misogyny. Women should be in the kitchen. Like she has to bend over whenever I say. I can shag whoever I want, but she can't. And it's really like they genuinely believe this. And they are very viral on TikTok and YouTube and the platforms that our children are watching. So that's what it is, by the way. If you haven't seen it, it's out now. I think it's been number one on Netflix for quite a while now.

8:10Anna Williamson:And you'll have seen commentators across the board of social media have been commenting on this. And actually, in a good way, we'll get on to it. I think because there has been such a backlash around this from and also I'd like to call out some fucking amazing men that have been commentating on this and putting forward actually what kind of men we want to be associating with, what kind of men we want to be raising, not these degenerates that we've seen in this documentary. But it has gone viral. And actually, look, I'm going to be honest, guys. It was particularly surprising to me when I watched it because unbeknownst to me, one of the gentlemen that was featured in the documentary, I realized that I had a link to.

8:52Anna Williamson:So it was particularly surprising because I may have had a personal relationship with one of these blokes' dads. May have. Yeah, back in the day. The creator. Yeah. So you can imagine when my phone suddenly started popping off from some of my friends from back in the day that were like, Anna, have you seen Manosphere? And I'm like, why? And they're like, there's a young man on there that you might be particularly interested in knowing about. Now, for full protection, really, of a lot of other people that aren't involved, and I don't want to be dragging them through for clickbait, I'm not going to probably expand on that anymore, even though I would quite like to.

9:35Anna Williamson:But I don't think there's much good that will come of that. And I'm very aware how these things can then get escalated unnecessarily. But yeah, it was surprising to me. And quite honestly, I was highly disappointed. Well, I was highly disappointed. Well, in your defence, to be honest, of your past relationship that then, you know, this lad is a product of. No, not mine. Not your relationship with him, I might add, but your ex's relationship with someone else. But he was totally absent during the upbringing of this guy that then featured on the documentary. So I don't think it's a reflection of hopefully that relationship that you had because actually he lacked total pressure.

10:15And that was a general theme throughout is that these and, you know, we do live. I feel like it's really hard, right? Because we always say, oh, kids only need one parent. And there's so many single single parents and broken families and they do do a great job. But then it does raise the question of, you know, especially young guys, any kind of male, a positive male figure in their life, whether that's a dad, an uncle, a male friend. a big brother type thing. I do think that it's important that young men especially do have a really positive male role model. Because despite that most of these lads had been brought up by single women, in my opinion, those mothers have failed.

11:02Because they were brought up, we have to remember, in a generation where TikTok and YouTube, etc, wasn't a massive thing. Now, I know that one One of them, I think, called Sneeko. There were clips of him on YouTube when he was, like, 15 and another one doing something with marshmallows when he was 12. So clearly they did have exposure to this, but not, like, the exposure that now we're talking of our guys. And I don't know. I felt disappointed in somewhere there's been huge failings along the way for them to believe that their attitudes are, like, acceptable.

11:35Anna Williamson:Right, or not understand the ramifications of it, yeah. Yeah, and where does that lie? does that lie because I'm so pro like you know you don't need a partner you can do it all you can do it on your own but but then watching this I was like fuck you know these young guys they really did need a positive male role model in their life because actually they haven't had that and like your ex-partner who's father to one of these guys like it's kind of like was he like that with you or like where has this come from because it's it's really really it's worrying it's really troubling and really worrying like raising girls it's like petrifying well it's petrifying but as you say but rising boys and rising raising I mean obviously you know I'm raising a boy and a girl um my girl is not the one I'm I'm feeling as worried about it's it's it's my son and as you say watching that yeah I obviously sat there and was like oh my gosh because I mean I'm guys I'm talking a very long time ago I'm talking like you know 20 25 years ago but all I can say is my personal experience of that relationship was a very nice relationship but it's obviously was shocking to me and quite honestly really disappointing to see that somebody had not been an active part in in raising a child I feel very strongly about parents stepping up and being parents and I think all too often in society the women the mothers are left literally holding the baby and the men fuck off and I'm not all men I think that's really important I also and I know you do Lou as well have got some incredible dads fathers husbands that we know of including our own but I think the thread and I and to your point there Lou I absolutely would stand on it that how important it is that all men have a positive male role model you know celebs go dating and one at the moment there's a common denominator when people have trouble with their relationships with their interpersonal skills it comes down when we always unpack from a therapeutic model what's gone on in their childhood there is a always a running thread that if that childhood has been problematic they have had um uh parents that have either um that have that have either been absent or not they create an avoidant attachment style which is what we've seen with these young men in this documentary what i saw in all of those men um sorry if i hit that well i saw in all of those men particularly hs ticky tocky was very angry men that so angry so angry because let me tell you now and you'll know this look at your husband right look at look at the healthy men that we know plenty of our mates you know in our in our whatsapp groups plenty of our friends they show up and what is the one thing that they have which these men don't have emotional maturity when you have emotional maturity you start seeing everybody including women as human beings there was no respect these men purely exist on external validation material wealth and i think the fact is even my alex brought this up actually today with me the the chap who had the podcast when he had those women in and he spoke disgustingly to that woman why would Can we just talk about this?

14:42Go on. Why would these women agree to go on that podcast? That was wild to me. I was thinking, why the fuck are you even there? Why are you entertaining this? What is it for? Is it because they're all only fans? It's very confusing to me. They all say, oh, I'm a model. Well, you get a snatch out on only fans, which, by the way, I don't really care about, but just be, like, open about that. But do they go on there because these men are actually, then paying them? And then do those women see the fact that these men are paying them and funding their lifestyle, that they're actually exploiting men in a way because they actually have the control over the men in some kind of way because they're earning money off these ridiculous men.

15:27It's so confusing, this whole thing to me. Like in some ways, I think with OnlyFans girls, like you fucking go, girl. Like you go. You own yourself, your body. And you own it and you do that. And like a bit like, and I think this about Bonnie, I mean, Bonnie Blue even walked out on that HS Tiki Toki, which cracked me up. I had a new level of respect, actually, for Bonnie Blue. But I think that, you know, in some ways with the likes of Bonnie Blue, I sit and I think, do you know what? You know, you are using what you've got and essentially exploiting people for your financial gain, which is, in a way, like, is that okay?

16:03Because actually then the dicks that she is exploiting are these people. So do I actually, am I actually, not that Bonnie Blue ever offended me, but am I actually more supportive of her now? Because I think kind of, yeah, you know, you fucking go girl, because this is the type of dicks that you're fucking with, literally and metaphorically.

16:23Anna Williamson:Well, I think to your point, yeah, but I think to your point, because there wasn't a female representation in this. But I think the problem we have with it, I think the problem we have with these guys, with Bonnie Blue overall is, and this is what Alex was sort of saying to me as well about that guy, the podcast guy, is that actually they are all, I don't want to give them credit by giving them the word smart, but they are monetizing a very well-oiled machine. They have clocked in and clocked on to a narrative and a business model that works. They are all salespeople. And we saw that. And they have all clocked on Bonnie Blue, those blokes, that if I peddle this narrative, the more shocking it is, the more extreme it is, the more I make money.

17:10Anna Williamson:But I need to keep promoting this and keep doing more extreme shit in order to monetize. Now, they've reached the top of the tree when it comes to wealth. Okay. But the problem is, I believe... I think it's questionable some of their wealth claims, to be quite honest with you. Well, yeah, you're right. You're right. But the problem is they're peddling a narrative. And this is the issue I think we all have now. We all have a society and as parents is that they are peddling a narrative. They probably in their heart of hearts don't really believe. And we saw that guy's facade drop when they tried to, when Louis tried to interview his girlfriend.

17:44Anna Williamson:And she went, it's not like this when it's just you and me. And then he fucking cut her off, didn't he? And then suddenly that's what Alex picked up on. Then he cut her. And I think that's the point. It's because, yeah, you probably, I'm not saying he's not bad or anything, but you are probably a different person when you're not being this elevated, misogynistic, racist, homophobe, whatever they all are, but you know that this works. Hey man, you hungry? Let's order delivery. Yeah, I was thinking... Italian. Burgers? Oh. Game night just got tense. Two bros on different sides of the fence. Burgers or pasta tonight.

18:23tonight why can't we have food without the fight with wonder you can combine 20 restaurants in one delivery so no one has to settle use code mealtime for 50 off your first wonder order terms apply see wonder.com slash new customer now i was disappointed just to touch on what you say about the uh the women like because louis theroux didn't overly challenge them and i know that's not his style he's not a pierce morgan like all guns blazing argumentative style of of interviewer he does kind of sit back and hand people the rope and lets them hang themselves which is why it is brilliant watching because you're like oh my god oh my god oh my god but i was a bit i would have liked to have seen because the women that were on the show were obviously just you know like not not over the part of the fodder part of the fodder i wouldn't really rate them intellectually being able to challenge these guys and it would have been really nice to have you know someone like Ashley James for instance even on there who's I did think she would have been brilliant to to really go in and and challenge them on it because they would never have been able to to stand up for that and you know even when Louis Theroux did try and challenge a bit that HS tiki-toki just kept going back to Jimmy Savile and Israel.

19:43It's so irrelevant. And obviously, I then worked out when he was, so that guy was live streaming it and he kept looking at his phone. It was because he wanted to see, because he hasn't even got the fucking intellect to challenge Louis back. He had to read what other people were saying for him to be like a parrot mouthpiece for them. But, you know, we're at a stage now in life where rates of sexual violence are through the roof. We're so aware of it. Domestic abuse is at all-time high. It's epidemic. One in four women in England and Wales experience domestic abuse. Gender pay gap has not really moved in a decade.

20:19You know, it's just we have this whole Andrew Tate era, you know, siphoning through into everything. And it is a massive concern, and I feel like he really highlighted that. I just hope that some young guys who watch this realised that, you know, it's not, also it's not an honest way to earn a living. What he's essentially, especially the Tiki Toki does that, I think it's like called Forex money thing, you know, what Louis Theroux invested in. Yes, yes, that was it. It's very dark webby, like shady stuff. And they are selling this dream and selling a dream to men that are struggling. You know, those two American guys, one had been living in his car.

21:00And it was a bit like, you know, I've been living in my car and then, you know, he's buying into all this shit. Get a fucking job, you darn hippie. Then start, get a good job, put a roof over your head, and then start a side hustle. If the side hustle then takes over, then leave your job. But the problem is now, and, you know, sometimes I feel like we play into this with our jobs of, you know, we have an online presence, we obviously work with brands. I wouldn't class myself or you as an influencer, but essentially part of our jobs and what we get paid to do are influencing. You know, it's not our full-time income.

21:34But, you know, maybe we have played into this awfulness of society where actually everyone just wants to make a quick buck. And, you know, you've got Louis Vuitton and Fendi and all these brands everywhere. And everyone's wearing the Rolexes and the cars and all this. And people want that. And I get why people want that. But the problem is people don't want to fucking work for that, you know. And they just want this easy money. At any cost. At any cost.

21:58Anna Williamson:That's what these guys are selling. and and and so you have a whole generation of kids that they don't want to work no because they see it and I and I worry I worry about my Enzo because they see and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this but for me it's it you know it is not a vocation unless he was exceptionally talented I would ever be promoting but they all want to be a YouTuber they want to be a gamer you know and this is why I think now so many of us parents are trying to fight against the tide with exposing them to more I don't think there's anything wrong with it as long as there's a healthy balance and it's like yeah i'm doubling down on his music skills now and his sports skills to show him that there is a life outside it and i think um but i think also with these guys and with these guys on social media the guys we saw in the louis through documentary thankfully it is not the majority of men but it is the loudest of men yes you know these and that i think that's the thing here the loud ones are the ones that are cutting through on these algorithms you might be interested to hear it i did ask for um one of just someone that dm me lou fanny and hi hayley um she's a teacher um because i because i think we'll probably just see now what can we do about this you know what are the solutions louis left it really with a dot dot dot he just exposed them but didn't really offer any alternative framework around well how do we combat this but again i think it goes back to our recent conversations on the pod even about regulation like these social media platforms yes have a responsibility to regulate because it is the demise of society it just is and it's poisoning it's a poison it's like a drug you wouldn't freely go and go and let an unlicensed drug out there into the world and this is what that is and i really do think that we need to shut down actually youtube had hadn't they because that sneeko guy i he didn't really you know he didn't come off that bad i didn't feel like we got to know him that much that sneeko who was banned Less so.

23:47He was like banned from YouTube and banned from Snapchat. But then at the end it said he'd got his YouTube back and instantly he gained 2 million followers.

23:56Anna Williamson:But isn't that so scary? 2 million people. And what also scared me, not scared me, but I can't remember which guy it was, but it was out on the streets with Louis and all these young guys are coming up to him. Oh, was that Sneaker? You know, treating him like he's bloody Mo Farah or something, having just won a knighthood. And I think that is the concern. Who are our children looking up to? you know my mate telling me that I heard two boys lovely boys lovely parents I can vouch for them um but she said straight away that's all in their algorithm and I think from hearing some there's loads of really good guys that have been commentating on this actually a good friend of ours Russell Kane has done some funny videos as well around it he so loves women Russell Kane so loves women and his wife Lindsay such an ally strong like supportive of women yeah but this guy said but then there's another of these guys and it was I can't remember his name forgive me he did DM me back um but he is um a kind of adventure a bit of a Bear Grylls-y type person um but he's obviously does a lot on on Instagram he's really you know into that kind of extreme sports and stuff and he's done some amazing videos on this kickbacking because he says he tends to sit in the same algorithm because he talks about extreme sports extreme danger to do with his survival skills and everything he's someone we do want our kids to look up to like he is a but he said I fall into the algorithms of the same people that get the Andrew Tates and the HS Tiki Tokis.

25:15Anna Williamson:And he says, it's terrifying how that happens. He said, so he is trying as so many other amazing men on these platforms are trying to use these platforms to good to now combat these terribly unhealthy men with healthier men. And we can only hope that's going to cut through. But I, this lady here had messaged me because she said, tell me, because she just happened to see me post about it. And she was just like, if you want, let me know if you want to contribute as a teacher experiencing firsthand the impact of these idiots so this is a teacher it's just a minute voice note but yeah go on this is the challenge i think again facing teachers now hang on hello girls it's hayley from brumsgrove i just wanted to touch base with you girls in relation to louis throughs documentary manosphere as a secondary school teacher i have seen an increase in these really awful behaviors especially in the last 10 years it's important to note that many of these boys are openly talking about and idolizing people like andrew tate and some of the people that we saw in the documentary you know i've heard boys quote these people um and show similar behaviors of dismissal towards female staff and female students and this is becoming even harder for staff to challenge because some boys see that attitude as something to admire across the country also many parents are asking for help you know because they are worried about the pressures their sons face around fitting in and managing behaviors and emotions and navigating you know expectations of masculinity but i think it's important to note that you know there is an increase of this behavior and it is down to these men and what they promote on social media and online so we've got a huge problem and we can see it on the front line but you know we really need to take a step forward and i'm not sure what that looks like but i just know that we need to start acting thanks girls bye that's so crazy and what the thing is nobody really knows what the solution is but when you think about the amount of guys in the world the the percentage of these like awful ones like the andrew tates and the tiki-tokis and the sneakos and the other dude i can't remember his name there's not they're not that many of them and so we kind of need to do something to counter it and i mean but i find it crazy how anyone can take them seriously i mean the ginger one when he was in his oh and then he's looking out there in miami and he's like you know just look around you what did what did women create men created all this i felt like saying you came out of a vagina you were creating your whole bodily being is here on this earth because of a woman you fucking idiot dick like you know what as well and then he's like i don't know how much i'm worth maybe 30 million and then he's like you know i pay 20 000 rent every month so a you don't own your own house and b let me tell you if you're worth 30 million you're not going to boast about spending 20 grand It's a drop in the fucking ocean.

28:21Okay. Because when you think about the 30 million, it's like 100 quid, 20 ,000 to someone that's worth that much money. It really isn't a lot. But the thing is, these people are like, oh my God, 20 ,000. Well, yes, 20 ,000 is a huge amount of money. It's massive amount of money. So people just hear that and think, wow, like he's, but let me tell you, it's not, it's really not, you know, when you are worth that. It's just absolute bollocks. And I was annoyed that Louis Theroux didn't challenge him a bit more when he said that about, well, man created everything.

28:58Anna Williamson:I mean, it's just so ludicrous. Although, Lou, what I would say, Lou, is thank God that many other people picked up where Louis did leave off on that because what I have so enjoyed have been the articulate, good grace, sensible, intelligent posts from people going just on that one about what did women invent uh chloe madeley did a really good one actually straight off the bat but it's like um the internet basically basically your whole career yeah so it's like when you when you break it down the amount of women that have been pining and we're not just scraping around trying to find a little role and a little award for a woman to try and prove our point but some of the fundamental reasons why we are talking now and how we are able to talk technologically how people got into space how people are alive cancer treatments um are down to women so it's like you absolute dumb for coming out it's embarrassing but they don't seem to get embarrassed it's like wild and then the one-sided monogamy i mean look i don't if you want to be in an open relationship then be in an open relationship like you know i really don't care like who's shagging who but i like i just think it was so degrading the way that you know she was pregnant his girlfriend because he won't wife her right because she's but he's willing to have children from her but he's not willing to marry her because of finances because all these millions that he's worth bullshit and then she's pregnant again and he's like you know i'll just go meet someone and then bam i pull out the threesome and i'm like i would absolutely just i just cannot imagine being in a relationship like that and it's not for me and maybe it is for them and maybe she's super happy about that i don't believe that she didn't look it mate she didn't look that happy she's there like growing his third child and he is just like it was vile the whole i mean literally they made my skin crawl i just hope that my daughters never bring home that well and i think this is where this is where it comes down to actually it's so funny you said about that because alex watched it my Alex and he was like um that that couple was the one that disturbed him the most he said and I went that's really interesting why and he went he went because he has put her I thought thank god you're a healthy man I think I got there in the end Lou I married a healthy one in the end um um but he he was just like because he said that's disgusting what he does what he's done to her he went she is in a position now where she can't you know she's in that position he's got no financial security she's having she's having his children she's pretending he was like she's pretending she's okay there he went even if she is it's still disrespectful and he said that is not um a non-ethical non-monogamous relationship that's just him shagging around and expecting her to conform which is bullshit it's bullshit i mean we we don't know what the solution is but to your point lou i think you know the the only good thing i think that can come of this is it's had such a spotlight the fact we decided to drop you an extra hot is because i think we all really fucking care and we know how big it is and it's like you know my enzo i'm so blessed that he's got you know role models like you in his life Lou you know just like takes no shit and I think it's it's really important that we surround our children whether or not you're a single mom or you've chosen to do it by yourself or whatever your setup is making sure you curate healthy men healthy role models around our children that goes for men and women and I think to your point as well statistically it might be an inconvenient truth but having healthy male role models is important um and I think it's definitely I've definitely doubled down on that now raising a son of I'm really conscious of who he's hanging around with if football clubs if it gets a bit too rough and argy-bargy and I'm not comfortable and you can't and the other thing is it's so hard because you can't control everything and you can only hope that you do instill good morals and you know like that ticky-tocky's mum she seemed all right to be fair and yet she's raised this horrific monster who was also what cracked me up was on the run and then that final bit where he came he had to come back to england he was arrested straight away and then that sky news report was like and hs i know i know i mean it's a ridiculous fucking name as well do you know what i mean it's the the whole thing is just ridiculous but what's worrying is that these young guys aren't seeing it for what it is which is he's a laughing stock he's an absolute laughing stock you know and and the problem these parents have on it and i'll get off my high horse as well and I'm not parent bashing but I do think as parents we need to be held accountable if my son shows up badly or your daughters show up badly guess what we need to take responsibility for that and I do if my son's misbehaved and done something I have to fucking deal with that because guess what I'm his mother and if I can't teach him and his dad then shame on me and I think you know looking going but I don't mention Bonnie Blue you know but we've mentioned HS Tiki Tiki's mum we didn't see any of the other parents but as you say it seemed it seems to me that they excuse their children's behavior because they are bringing in the goods they're bringing in all this money and my question to them would be if your children were doing what they're doing and earning no money from it would you be comfortable with what they're doing and I bet they would say no and therefore I would challenge them and say so basically what you're saying is your children exactly are based on their financial materialistic wealth at any cost shame on you but that's the same as Bonnie blues parents isn't it yeah that's that's i include them in that that's what i'd like i i'm i'm i'm speaking to them as well yeah well listen there's obviously just around this as well just some facts and things there is um you know legisl legislative failure here right because the online safety act of 2023 was supposed to address some of this um but it's been criticized as toothless on algorithm amplification and slowing implementation um it's just it's nothing's changed in the law there's no and at the same time i do feel a little bit sorry for our government constantly trying to have to tackle shit like this because the problem is the legislation can't keep up with the algorithm you you can't legislate for things as quickly as these things develop and materialize and that's why the platform should should exercise more responsibility they they really should and And there has to be, you know, the governments really need to go to the root cause, which I believe are the Snapchats, are the YouTubes.

35:21You know, China doesn't have all this shit because it just doesn't allow it. And I know that some people will be like, well, that's absolute censorship. You shouldn't allow that. But there's a line, isn't there?

35:30Anna Williamson:I think, yeah. What they're feeding to all the Chinese kids is like massively academic and educational things in their algorithm. them and then what our kids are being fed is toxic information and so there absolutely is a way that governments can crack down on this and we've seen that in other countries and our our government needs to go to the likes of youtube and and snapchat and meta and really fucking hammer them because they are earning money immorally from immorally from this and they are poisoning the minds of our children and something has to be done about it listen we have gone on far too long but we would love to hear your views on this are you a mum raising teenage boys is your teenage boy really really into this do you know someone that invests in all this stuff and really really clings on to that we would absolutely love to hear from you yeah absolutely it's luanna at everything Thanks for all of your messages.

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