'I even thought about getting pregnant again!'

20:54Anna Williamson:But I wonder, right, so on that, Ims, and I do know... One of them will be a traitor, I bet. I think so. I think they're going to make Rob Beckett a traitor. I do. You're only sick of it. Wow, look, those teeth. He's not going to be... I'm not a traitor. It's not me. Like, that will be him. So the annoying thing is, so good friends of mine are the director and one of the exec producers on this. I ask all the time, please can you get us on the show? I would like to now make a formal pitch. So please, friends of the traitors, I know you are listening. I know you listen on your way to the castle.

21:31Anna Williamson:Yeah, we'll do it. We'll be a cheap gig. So Lewis, Marika, Sarah, all my friends that work on this show, please can Luanna and we will come on as a first as a duo we'll just come as one we'll come as a duo we'll share a chair we'll share a bed we'll share even sentences we'll share a brain yeah like we want to be the first duo on the traitors on the traitors as one they could have Ant and Dec but you can have us instead yeah the cheaper version we will do it for free not cheaper but actually free yeah we'll do it for free yeah but we love it anyway that is going to be cracking and also you're a big fan I've never watched Strictly, but of course the old two are out.

22:11And new in, someone I've never heard of, Jones, Johannes.

22:16Anna Williamson:So the new Strictly line-up, so this has been the hottest job in the industry. There's been about a rumoured shortlist of seven names that have been auditioning their socks off, which I do believe has been true. Lots of people have been auditioning, screen testing, been put in potential duos to see how the chemistry works for the new Strictly Come Dancing hosts. It has been announced that, and I think this is a good line-up, quite interesting, but Emma Willis, fantastic pair of hands in the role as Emma has obviously hosted Big Brother and so many shows. Love is Blind. Yep. And Josh Widdekum, we do obviously know Josh very well.

22:55Anna Williamson:Rob and Josh do Parenting Hell together. Yes. So Josh, interesting, they've gone with a comedian. Great pick for him. Yeah, and I think they've gone with Josh, I would assume, because Claudia had that slightly comedic edge. So I don't know the formation. And then they have got Johannes Radabi, who is one of the professional dancers. Sorry, Radabay, thank you very much. He is one of the Strictly professionals. And now there's a trio hosting. Well, we don't know what formation they're coming in at. So maybe one might be backstage. I don't actually know. Interesting that the dancer like that's got the gig.

23:27Over my lovely Rylan, who made a big joke about how it's been.

23:30Anna Williamson:Rylan was hilarious. Zoe Ball was hilarious. they made a massive fuss about that they lost out to the gig and they were taking it very well. Cut to them on Instagram crying their eyes out. Anyway, can't wait. Looking forward to the traitors more than Strictly. I'm looking forward to both. Bring it on. Right. We'll go on both. Time for. It's the record. Serco. The record. Serco. It's the record. Serco. Da-da-ba. Right. Right. I've got two products this week for you. Two. I've got to go with two. I've forgotten. I only did one last week. So I'm just going to look at my Amazon basket. Right, I'll wait till you've done that and then I will land you.

24:05I'm going to choose... Your favourite one. You got it? I've got a good one.

24:11Anna Williamson:Hold fire. So I'm going with two this week. Now, you will remember, Lufanians, that many moons ago, our producer, Imo, recommended for her Echosecco a crisp. It was a fantastic co-op crisp. It was popular. Well, it's taken me a while to get to the point where I feel like I can take your crisp, Imo, and I can raise it. Walker's Bangers and Mash. It is the best crisp I have ever had. I was in the old shop the other day. Bangers and Mash. It sounds synthetic. It tastes delicious. A little bit of a flavour, like if you like a roast beef crisp. It's a tangy, meaty, beefy, bistro gravy crisp. Oh, my God.

24:58Anna Williamson:I wolfed that packet in the car before I'd left Tesco car park. So walkers, bangers and mash crisps. And I'm going to throw one more in. Oh, hello. We want to talk about this for ages just because, again, when a product and a company does it well, I want to talk about it. I went to Chelsea Flower Show the other week. I needed a decent shoe, one that wasn't going to pinch my toes, wasn't going to give me blisters. I cannot rate more my Fit Flop trainer enough. They look nice. They feel good. They're comfy. and I have seen so many stylists starting to really rave about these fit flop trainers. They look a little bit like a Converse or Adidas type shoe.

25:34Anna Williamson:They're in your hallway. The comfiest trainer, I wore them for eight, nine hours straight and that shoe felt like a slipper. So there you go, that's mine. Am I? Mine is a product that no one will not be familiar with but in recent times I've been struggling with really dry lips. Don't know why. They just keep cracking and being shite. Anyway, so my holy grail is the Elizabeth Arden 8-hour lip balm. Oh. And it's just, you can't beat it, basically. You can't. Saved me. I'd forgotten that existed. What a product. That is a good one. What a product. That is a good one. Well, talking about products, I will also go for a product.

26:24Oh, it's product heavy this week. Wait, have I talked about this before? Single-use face towels. Not the ones you wash your face with. So after I do my skincare stuff, instead of using a towel or a flannel to dry your face, you get these, I mean, I know that it's disposable, but it's like a little disposable towel. So it's in like a tissue box. They're biodegradable, that's okay. Yeah. It's in like a sort of tissue thing, like you'd get tissues in. but they're thicker and they're more towel-like. Have you ever been to the hairdressers and they dry your hair with those disposable towels? Yes, I had one the other day.

27:01Yeah, so it's like that but for your face because you use that to dry your face and then you're not getting bacteria from the flannel towel. I would imagine they'd be biodegradable. Yeah, they should be. And I've got them in a lovely little acrylic box and I just shh one of those out and I dry my face with it. Yeah, and it's just really good for your skin. Well, there you go.

27:21Anna Williamson:Excellent records, girls. Very good for skincare. Go for it, guys. See what you think if you fancy any of those.

27:31Anna Williamson:Right, messages. What have we got this week? We have got a message from Anon. So, recycle. Hi, ladies. No time for all the fanny fluff and usual bollocks. I've got urgent news. Anna, buckle up. My black bin has been stolen. What? Luanna Investigates is back. I live in Birmingham. and getting the bins collected is tricky at the best of times recently with all these strikes. But I came home from work today after putting the bins out first thing and it's gone, it's vanished. I live on a pretty quiet street and usually one of the oldies opposite brings my black bin for me, but not today. Today, I've returned to no nicely placed bin back on my drive, but an empty space and not a spare bin in sight.

28:16Someone dropped that. My house number's on my bin. I've paced up and down the street, looking on drives trying to work out which fucker has stolen my bin and not a single sight. Ring doorbell is fucking useless and hasn't caught anyone in the act and I am fuming. I've texted my partner who works away. I'm enraged to be even more furious that he's just not arsed with my bin drama. So I'm looking at you to support me. I've got you. The biggest joke of it all is bins shouldn't even be my job. It's universally agreed it's a blue job. Facts. But I'm left to solve the mystery while he prances around carefree.

28:50I've decided I'm knocking on doors tomorrow as phase two of find my bin because Birmingham Council can get fucked if they think I'm paying 25 quid for a new bin when I pay my council tax and they hardly come anyway and there's a bin thief on the loose need to decide on my opening line as knock knock have you seen my bin doesn't seem to do justice to the seriousness of the situation anyway run over love you ladies and the laughs you give I'm hoping my bin rage can bring Anna some joy I bet Louisa doesn't have to worry about neighbours stealing her bin. Hashtag life goals. You can give one of yours.

29:23No, I've got so many bins. Didn't have time to think of a funny name before I started my rant, so keep me in on. You can call me whatever you like, but we've called you Recycle. We need an update on this.

29:34Anna Williamson:I might set up a support line. Someone, well, we found out the other day. Yeah. We had a neighbour round ours because we went, because we've got 84 bins because of our council. Yeah. We ended up having a double bin situation on our one. A double bin? A double bin situation. What's a double bin? You had too many bins? Two black bins. Two purple bins actually now. So what did you do? Well, because we had one delivered to ours and then one to the rental. So we had two bins. Then we had a neighbour come round who hadn't been. We were a good Samaritan. And she asked for your bin. Well, he actually.

30:06Anna Williamson:But he came round. He was like an elderly neighbour. And he said, I've just seen there are two bins on your driveway. Would you mind? He's on Bin Watch. He's on boom watch. You might need those two bins. Well, I know. You might have 12 people living in that house. I know, that's the problem. But then he went, I didn't get given my new bin by the council. They missed him out. And I said, well, you know, you should go and contact the council. And then you felt bad in giving your bin. Then I felt bad. I said, of course you can take a bin. So I've given one of my bins to my neighbour. You shouldn't have done that.

30:34Anna Williamson:You might need that bin. Oh, babes, I'll be robbing it back again, don't worry. Wheeling it up that road. You might have needed that bin. Well, it's fine because the house, because our reno house was in such a literally disrepair reno. We've started from scratch, like council tax, everything has all started again. So all the new bins are arriving. Has your council tax gone up? A bit, a bit. Actually, it's not too bad. It's the rental council tax quite high. But that one's actually fine. Yeah. The rental's more than your house. Big time. Weird, isn't it? Yeah, really weird. God, we've got three council taxes here.

31:08Oh, it's fucking nice. Isn't it?

31:09Anna Williamson:Honestly, council tax. I don't like, I just don't like council tax. They don't deliver on their promises. I think you can have, we can have empathy with everyone, including ourselves. You say, why we get all so impassioned about getting the shit done. Yeah, bloody potholes. Honestly, bins. Poor lighting at night because they're trying to save on electricity. This is where bin game works. Anyway, enough guff. We've got a message from Eileen Dover. Dear Luanna, a long time listener here and absolutely love the pod. I actually met Louisa whilst on my honeymoon in the Maldives in December. There you go, Lou.

31:40Anna Williamson:I didn't want you to think I'd stalked you across the Indian Ocean, so I didn't say hello. So did you meet me or not? Maybe not. Kind of. She was there peepholing you. Keep me non. I'm Eileen Dover. Anyway, the reason I am messaging is because I have a dilemma and I need advice from the three of you. Anna, please be my life coach. Lou, please be my sexually liberal best friend. Here I am. And Imo, please give me your best lesbian advice. Are we all ready, you three? Yeah. Yeah? us three here we go i'm 29 and i met my partner 10 years ago while at uni we got married and until recently i've been living happily ever after we're both very different people to who we were when we met but we've essentially grown up together and grown closer together in the process everyone has their faults but he's absolutely everything i could want for in a partner he's kind he's funny intelligent good looking he listens to me puts me and his family first and we have so much in common but the thing is i think a part of me deep down has always been interested in women as well as I really want to know if I met her in the Maldives because I didn't chat to that many people in the Maldives and I can remember a few.

32:43Anna Williamson:I've kissed a few women here and there at uni and I do occasionally enjoy a bit of lesbian porn. Don't we all? Exactly. But until recently, I've never pursued anything with women. Nine months ago, I stopped taking the contraceptive pill after 10 years and I feel like that I've had some sort of sexual renaissance. Oh, suppressing her maybe. I started talking more openly with my husband about the potential of going to a sex party or having a threesome. Maybe they wanted to have sex with me when we were in the moldings. Maybe that was it. Wanted you and A-Dog in for a foursome. Swinging guitar. Could you imagine Andrew?

33:14Anna Williamson:All right, A-Dog, car keys in. Well, I don't think so, actually. It was not like that. It was not for me. Not for me. So I could explore my girly desires in the context of my marriage. I was a bit self-conscious about having sex with another woman in front of him straight away. So we decided that I should go and explore solo sex with a woman. Well, they are liberal. He was so supportive and he helped me make my account on Field, the kinky app that you spoke about last week. We need to sign up. Uploaded some sexy pics. No, because we're not serious. We can't go on if we're not serious. Uploaded some sexy pics.

33:48Anna Williamson:Made it click. Can you imagine that? From Celebs Go Dating, Ella Williams. Louisa, yeah. No. Us as a duo. Could you imagine? We come as a pair. Looking for casual sex? with her I mean I wouldn't say no as we giggle our way through anyway so we're going back to this woman story she uploaded some sexy hits yes made it clear that I was married good always be transparent guys and I started chatting to other women fast forward a week and I went on a date with a woman let's call her Bertha really enjoyed it and had sex with her oh my mind was blown how much I enjoyed this sex with a woman and I thought it was pretty I thought I was pretty straight before this after my night of fun it turns out my husband but wasn't as okay with it as we'd originally thought.

34:31Anna Williamson:I didn't think he would be loved. And we agreed that I would delete the app, say goodbye to Bertha, finish this chapter of our lives and move on. We spoke about maybe one day in the future, still trying out a threesome, but we agreed we needed some time. Nice open communication. Yeah, that's such good, good chat. Very mature. Anyway, it's been two months later and I've barely been able to stop thinking about Bertha. I really want to reach out to her and see how she is, but I know that will lead to messiness in my marriage. It will, yes. I feel that I've opened up Pandora's box on my side in my sexuality and that I didn't even know was there so my questions are can I just put a lid on it suppress those feelings and go back to my happy heterosexual life before all of this if so how I really was happy in my marriage before this whole saga this is the problem when you open up marriages this is but now a part of me is feeling a bit unfulfilled I am so confused any advice is greatly appreciated Eileen right well let's let's dive on in I mean, I'm a muff hunt into this one.

35:27Well, listen, I think that, you know, sometimes marriage can be a bit monotonous and every day. And then I think like it's exciting, isn't it, doing something like this? It's new and it's exciting and it's a thrill. And actually, even this would become boring after a while. Like Bertha wouldn't become as interesting to you. And I do think that you would regret if you opened up that box to Bertha and, you know, went down that sort of path and then you're being deceitful. And I think your husband's been really gracious about this and he's been really open with you. But I don't know. I would I would close the lid and try and carry on with life.

36:13Anna Williamson:I think there's one thing that flagged to me when you said you'd come off birth control. And I think coming off medication, especially when it's hormonal, I think a lot of people talk about having this kind of wow reset. I know I felt that. I was on contraceptive pill for years and years and years and years. And when I came off it, you know, everything kind of, you know, felt not as repressed anymore. Like I felt freer, not necessarily my sexuality. I identify as heterosexual. However, I can totally see a world where I would have a relationship with a woman. Yeah, I think if I was single, I'd definitely try it out.

36:51Anna Williamson:I'm not bisexual, but I think I could definitely fancy and fall in love with a woman if ever that was ever in my life sometime. I think a bit like you, Lou, I was there. I think I wonder coming off this pill, suddenly hormones are now hormoning again. And I'm not saying you're not, by the way, interested in women. But I do wonder if you have been feeling a bit suppressed maybe in your marriage sexually. And this is it reignited a spark that you didn't even know was missing. And it might be that you are attracted to women. It might be that you are bisexual. It might be that this is a thing. I think this needs a little bit more time to perhaps settle before you bring that conversation back into the ether.

37:30Anna Williamson:Because ultimately, yes, if you're getting a year down the line and actually you are unfulfilled in your marriage and you are thinking about women, it's a different thing. I think at the moment it's quite fresh. I would let it possibly just settle a little bit. And I wonder how much of the excitement of this and the lust is still playing out. Imogen, what would you like to add to this, which would be highly valuable? Well, I would like to say that I am a bisexual woman who has never had sex with a man, right? So I am attracted to men, but I've never explored that. Well, I've explored it sexually, but I've just never had the P and the V.

38:04Do you know what I mean? But you sucked the D. Oh, shut up. Goblin. Oh, God. Well, just saying. Yeah, but I have family members that listen to this. Sorry, sorry to talk about Emma sucking cock. She only looks funny now, okay? Okay. Sorry, Emra's family. Okay. Anyway. Hi, Aunty Rach. Anyway. Aunty Rach bloody loves it. She fucking loves it, Aunty Rach. I bet she's got it in every hole going. Oh, rampant Rach. Go on, Aunty. She's a very attractive woman. Oh, she is. She's probably got one in each nostril and everything.

38:40Anna Williamson:Very attractive woman, your Aunty. Carry on, Jane. This is a very valuable piece of advice. Anyway, and when I was younger, I used to uh when I was younger and I first got with Nate I had a slight like internal panic because I was like you'll never this relationship yeah really fulfills me and I love it but like what happens if one day I want to sleep with a man and I I kind of panicked that I would never like fulfill that yeah that experience um and yeah and that used to really worry me sexual no she's lesbian yeah she's 100 um and but then as i grew older i think i just kind of realized that that's not important really in my life well like there's always that there's always that like a thought of like oh i wonder what that feels like yeah blah blah blah but in the scale of what is important and putting it in perspective like my relationship and my marriage and my how I feel towards Naomi is completely like overshadows wanting to fulfill that experience and if I wanted to do that ever and it came up and it became a real thing for me I'd obviously have to discuss that with her but then but then again she she is everything to me so like I would have to like I don't I don't mind not exploring that yeah I have her and she fulfills me in like every other way so do we think that this Luana fan isn't isn't actually fulfilled in the marriage well possibly not and that's why I do think I think my first port of call as from a relationship coach point of view is really feeling brave enough to discuss this with your husband in a very sensitive and tactile way but it's i would wait i would give it a couple of months exactly i would i would chill for a little bit just to see how things just start to settle and i think we can fantasize about these things and hold them on a pedestal these moments like you know i've had a few experiences in my life sexually you know years and years and years ago which i have i think kind of put into a real holy grail pandora's box you know and i think if i put my head into that space now being married for nearly 11 years as to your point you know as well though you know i am really happily married i do really fancy my husband and i think in any relationship regardless your sexuality it would be really it's very normal to think to each other god is this is this is this the only person i'm ever going to have sex with and then you get some friends now who going through the divorce stage and they are loving their best life yeah they are like having amazing dates and You can't help.

41:29But then,

41:29Anna Williamson:I just think I wouldn't want to be that though. I do. I've got single friends now and they're desperate to meet someone. And like, I'm so happy that's not me. I'm really happy. But I think that shows where you are content in your marriage. I can think of anything worse having to meet strangers and chat to them. And then, oh, look at someone else's balls. But I think if you're really unfulfilled, well, I feel the same. I think if you're really unfulfilled, the prospect of that, of ditching the dead wood, is highly exciting. So it might not even, but this actually might not even be about your sexuality it might be about your marriage but it also it might not be and you just might be swept up because this is all new to you yeah and it and it is quite intoxicating you might have just got up in this whirlwind with this woman yeah and you've put it on this bit of a shiny pedestal yeah but when you put it in like it sounds like you have a wonderful relationship with your husband.

42:23Sorry, I'll just send the loudest part. Without any kind of acknowledgement of that. Sorry, I didn't want to interrupt the flow. Well, it did interrupt the flow, didn't it? Sorry. So, like, maybe if you just, yeah, I think just, like, give it time and that, like, sparkle might fall off a bit.

42:39Anna Williamson:We, the grass is very rarely greener and I think you've obviously had this little, little kink for wanting to have sex with a woman and it's happened and you loved it and now it's hard to come down. Look, hormones are very powerful. what would have been playing out there would have been dopamine oxytocin serotonin no these are all these are very powerful powerful hormones that dictate you know the how we operate how we think let that settle and yeah but good luck but i do want to also say that if if it is like a huge thing that you want to explore you have to discuss it with your husband and you can't like if it's going to harm you yeah by not being your true self then you have to discuss it and You have to address it.

43:22Anna Williamson:Tough convo, but you've got to do it. Right. Sealing? Selin? Selin? Message? Don't know how to say that. Hi, Luana. From sunny South Africa here, my name's Selin Selin. Hello, Selin. And my friend Candice had a story that we knew you would love. We love your pod. We listen all the time. I'm a long-time listener. This is the first time writing in, but we have got a corker for you. This story isn't about any of us, but about a family friend. So to set the scene, three couples had gone to the coast for the weekend for some fun and fishing and to have a wonderful time with friends as you do. While the men went fishing most of the day, the ladies were enjoying the sun.

43:59They decided to head down to the beach where the men were fishing and see how they were getting on. The men had a few beers as you do. So once the men were done, they decided to alter head back up to the cottages they were staying at. As they were walking up the path, the ladies were in front of the men. Well, one of the men, let's call him John, thought it would be funny to poke one of the women, let's call her Debbie, who was in front of him, in the bum, with his rod. But at the end of his rod, he had a treble hook. For those who don't know... Oh, I know. ...that has three hooks and reverse hooks on the end of the hook.

44:31So once you hook it in a fish, you can't pull it out very easily.

44:33Anna Williamson:My dad's a fisherman and this is bad. And she's done a hooker. It's like an anchor with horns on it. Anyway, he tried to poke her on the bum with the end of the rod. Rod, she was walking up to the cottage. But as he did it, he managed to hook her in through the bottom of her fanny, through one of her lady lips and the side of her butt. So between her bum and her fanny was now hooked together. Stop it. Everyone is screaming and shouting. Oh my God, I've got like... Vag twitch. Vag twitch. Not in a good way. Everyone is screaming and shouting. And Debbie is obviously dying of embarrassment, but she can't walk anymore.

45:13So they decided they will carry her up to the cottage and get the hook out. Once at the cottage, a friend and Debbie go into a room to try and remove her jean shorts and see how they can try to remove this treble hook. So her friend is face down between her legs trying to pull this hook out, but she isn't strong enough. If any of you know how hard these are to get out of a fish, these treble hooks, you do need some force to get them out. So Debbie's friend tried pulling it out with some science, pulling on her lady bits. Oh my God. Over and over. But she wasn't strong enough. They decided they will need to get Debbie's husband to do it.

45:49He was no help. He was too squeamish, wanting to vomit at the thought of it. Bent over. He was gagging in the kitchen. So John had to get it out. After a few pulls, he managed to get it out. Poor Debbie was very relieved. That is just like, can you imagine like Ben or Alex having to pull a fish hook out of my furnace? Am I flat? Alex would do it to her. Poor Debbie was very relieved that this ordeal was over with a bruised and torn up funny and her dignity out the window. It wasn't even her fault. This story has been told in our group of friends and the family over and over again. And every time we hear it, we die laughing.

46:26So we had to share it with you. Keep doing what you do. Oh, my God. That is the sort of thing our friendship group would do. Literally, that's exactly what we would do. Oh, my funny. And then we'd all be like trying to put...

46:38Anna Williamson:Do you remember I sent you a reel the other week, which happened at the ski resort? You know when you ski up to the lifts and there was a guy that skied up to his friend? Like the thing you do when you're skiing, you put your skis in between your friends and you go up and then you try and bum them. And then he was bumming his friend, like his friend over and was bumming him. Violently! Violently, like was bumming his friend at the ski lift. Turns around, like a stranger, and he's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I mean, he's lucky he didn't get out with a black eye. Oh, it's so good. Remember, if you want to get in touch, You can email us, Luana, at everythingluana.com.

47:11You can also drop us a WhatsApp on 075-215-64640.

47:22Evening. Buyer's remorse. Buy a new car? I'll be moving in. Let's get started. Sorry, I think there's been a mistake. I bought it from Carvana. You what? Yeah, great price. I even have seven days to love it or return it. So there's no... No, no buyer's remorse. More like buyer's rejoice. I guess I'll let myself out. Congratulations. I mean it. Buyer's rejoice. Buy your car today on Carvana. Limitations and exclusions may apply. See our seven-day return policy at Carvana.com. Just a quick trigger warning, guys. Before we go into this story, this is a trigger warning for rape and sexual assault.

47:58So please look after yourselves. And if you'd rather not listen, please just skip ahead a few minutes. We're going to talk about this because we actually didn't talk about this when it first came out. And Carrie, our very good friend, Carrie Johnson, friend of the pod.

48:14Anna Williamson:Friend of the pod, otherwise known as KazJazz, CJ, you name it. And basically, there is a new ITV drama out called Believe Me. If you haven't watched it, do go and watch it. It's on ITVX. It's a four-part drama. And it follows the story of several women who were raped by John Moore boys, who was the very well known black cab rapist. Now, our lovely friend Carrie was actually one of his victims, not raped, I might add, but she got in the back of his taxi one night and he did attempt to drug her. Well, he did drug her. He did drug her, but she managed to get away, basically. And she's been depicted in this drama.

49:01Anna Williamson:You've probably seen it a lot on the news. She's been extremely brave. And in the drama, in episode two, she is played by an actress that covers the story that Carrie went through when she was 19 years old. Carrie's now late 30s, isn't she? This happened in sort of the mid-naughties. And at the time, yeah, as you say, thankfully she got in his cab because he seemed very plausible, offered her a lift home. She was at a bus stop on her way back from a night out. And she didn't drink the first glass of champagne. She poured it on the floor, thought it was a bit creepy, but she did. She felt quite pressured and she did end up drinking a shot of vodka.

49:39Anna Williamson:Thankfully, she made it home, although she was very unwell. He got into the back of the cab with her. And I think he was wondering, like, why isn't it taking effect? Then he just sort of gave up and dropped her off. But she did an interview with... Sorry, sorry to interrupt. I haven't actually said this to her because I thought it was a bit of a wally thing to say but knowing her it was really quite unsettling to watch someone that you now know personally be depicted in a drama of something so absolutely disgustingly awful because believe me it's a very powerful drama and they do not shy away from the graphic reality of rape I mean huge trigger warning But to watch that, I felt quite emotional, actually.

50:21Anna Williamson:I was like, shit, she went through it. How absolutely terrifying must that have been? Well, the lucky thing is she didn't know that she went through it. And that's also the lucky thing for these victims is that they don't remember it because they were so drugged. But the danger of that is that actually, I mean, Carrie did an interview with Good Morning Britain and said that his crimes, from what we know, spanned from the year 2000 up to his conviction in 2009, And despite numerous women reporting it, the police failed very, very badly. That's what's a hard thing. And there could be up to a thousand victims.

50:53And Carrie has been really pivotal in his case at convicting him and when he's been up for parole, not letting him get that parole. War Boys, who's now weirdly known as John Radford. Yes. What is that about? He's now 68. And a couple of weeks ago, the Parable would actually refuse to release him again. they still feel that he continues to represent a high risk of committing further serious sexual offences against women. I think even if he didn't, he doesn't deserve to be walking around. No, but he said that he accepts that he does not currently meet the test for release. Interesting. He claimed to feel enormous regret and remorse and shame towards women, the women he harms and their friends and families, and he is serving a life sentence.

51:38But it's just really, really harrowing. if you haven't watched it, do go and watch it. And it just really, really highlights, and this is what Carrie's trying to highlight as well, that rape still isn't taken serious enough. I mean, and especially even more so back then in the noughties.

51:56Anna Williamson:That wasn't that long ago. It wasn't that long ago. It really wasn't. And, you know, rape is rape. And there are so many women and men. It does happen to men as well. We appreciate that. And I know that Carrie has sort of become a bit of a poster girl, really, for this campaign now in asking other people to come forward. If you follow her, go follow her socials, Carrie Johnson. Good Morning Britain have got behind it as well, I believe, as well as many other abuse charities. Also, I think that every two years, he's going to be up for parole again in around two years time. and Carrie's kind of come out and appealed and said, look, even though it might have been 20 years ago, like, please come forward if you do think that if any of this rings true, like, were you in a taxi, were you offered a drink from a taxi driver saying that he'd won at a casino, that was his normal thing.

52:46Because actually, all of this helps to keep him inside and to keep women safe. Like, he was so predatory.

52:54Anna Williamson:So predatory. Awful. It's absolutely terrifying. It's a very terrifying watch, but also the wider picture. And this is why, I mean, you know, on private chats, you know, obviously we've had with her and it sounds a bit, we're normally taking the piss out of each other. But, you know, there is an enormous sense of pride for the bravery of any women, you know, Carrie and all these other women, the women in this drama that are brave enough to come forward and waive their right of anonymity. to also shine that light on anybody that is a victim, a survivor of domestic abuse, of rape, of violence, of any crime against them, report it.

53:30Anna Williamson:You know, I have people in my inner circle that have been in situations and unfortunately, just because of the way that the law takes it sometimes or how it's been, you know, haven't managed to unfortunately get that far into the legal process. So please always speak up. It's devastating because actually this was at a time when we were going out, we were a similar age to Carrie, and the narrative always was, get in a black cab, it's safe, they're fully licensed, but don't get in one of those dodgy minicabs. And so the police couldn't believe that these women had been raped by a black cab driver or drug, because no, they're safe.

54:04Why would a black cab driver risk their license when they've spent years?

54:08Anna Williamson:And also, hasten to add that all black cab drivers out there, this is not... Do you know what? On a side note, that's actually... it's a real shame for the black cab community who actually have a bit of a tough time anyway with the industry at the moment. And actually, this is the last thing they needed was probably now for everyone to think, oh, great, great. Well, we'll just think, great. Now everyone's going to think that black cabs aren't safe. Of course they don't. But, you know, I mean, there's no guarantee with anything. But, yeah, so well done to everyone. And well done to our lovely friend, Harry.

54:36Anna Williamson:We're very proud of everything that she's done. She was a bit nervous, wasn't she, about going public? She's never done an interview and it's scary, but she's very she's very composed bless her very articulate right as we move on it is now time for It's the Widow of the Week First up anonymous so Rita Rims seat Rita Rims seat Rita Rims seat Rita Rims seat Rita Rims seat so long term listener here I have a Widow of the Week nomination my husband it's really turning into that now guys I like it so a bit of a back story I recently went on adults weekend at Butlins. And while we're all sat drinking in our luxury lodge, luxury lodge, no, the conversation turned to weird habits.

55:22Anna Williamson:And naturally, my husband's toilet etiquette came up. Now, he absolutely loves keeping the downstairs toilet door open while he's doing his business, which gives me the absolute ick. I usually stomp in, flush the toilet while he's sat on it. Oh, wet bum. Open the window and slam the door shut because I get so annoyed that he thinks that we all need to know what he's up to. but the real weirdo of the week nomination is for this every single time he has a poo he lifts the toilet seat up and directly sits directly on the actual cold toilet rim the cold skinny rim yes she says the cold rim that's usually got like wee on it we had a full discussion about whether this is so he can fit everything in properly especially in case he fancies doing a wee and a poo at the same time but honestly none of us could understand it So please settle this for me.

56:13Anna Williamson:Does my husband deserve the title Weirdo of the Week? Thanks from Rita Rimsey. Love that. Well, it's a definite contender. Right, let's see what Tammy's saying. Hello, my favourite ladies. Love the pod and all that jizz. Please call me Tammy. And the reason for this will soon become clear. Even though I think this is completely normal, my friends all assure me that I am the weirdo. So I need to put it to you, is this weird? Since I was of tampon wearing age, I have inserted the tampon. Sorry. Sorry.

56:49I just farted.

56:55Just fucking... Oh, my God.

57:01Anna Williamson:You got me, haven't you, boy? You got me, boy. Door slam. Door slam, fart, scream. Oh, my gosh. Oh my God, my heart's going, my bum hole's going. This is what you looked at me. Oh gosh. Right. Sorry, carry on. At ease, at ease, Vicar. Now he's just sleeping. Oh dear. Well done, Crumbie. Since I was a tampon wearing age, I have inserted the tampon and then tucked the string neatly under my outer fanny flaps. You do this, Imo, don't you? No, you don't. You don't wear tampon. Not at all. That way, if I'm swimming, it doesn't reveal itself. And if not, it's just happily tucked away. My girlfriends are all baffled and don't do anything with the string.

57:58They now all think that I have massive flaps. Well, how does she tuck it under her outer fanny flaps? Because mine wouldn't tuck under. It would just hang. I could probably do a bit of tuckage I don't think I do but they're flappy enough to hold the tummy string in no she's got flappy ones I'm baffled that you let the string just hang between your flaps wiggling away like a rogue worm in your pants please help me settle this debate am I weird love tummy well when I used to have periods and wear tampons I just used to tuck the string inside and then like close the flaps over the string

58:36Anna Williamson:Oh, we've never discussed. So I do wear tampons and I... Just let it hang out probably, you know. No, probably worse actually. No, I tuck it back. So I sort of stick it in my gooch. In your arse crown. Yeah. It doesn't go as far as the arse crown. Because it gives you thrush when you get skidders on your tampons. I don't give them off. Skiddy tampons. I sort of tuck it back. You sort of go back. Yeah, I just sort of tuck it back really. Sort of back and up. So it gets caught with whatever holds it. See, I just used to put mine between the flats. So you did stick it in there. Emma, I was thinking about the towel.

59:11Anna Williamson:You hold your towel in your gooch. I do hold the towel in my gooch, yeah. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. Well, I like it. It is weird. I think cold, skinny rim toilet is weirder, though, because that's so uncomfortable. Oh, who sits on a rank cold rim? The rimmer. The rimmer is our weirdo of the week. Congratulations, my friend. Right, that is it for this week. Unless you would like to rant. I'll have a minor rant. Oh, go on, here we go. Here we go. It's a bit at Arlie Funnions. Oh, go on. Just want to say that... No, not really. No? But sometimes on our Facebook page... Go on. When people say, and they comment on us and they slag us off, and we've talked about this before, I just want people to know that...

59:56Oh, it's not happening still, is it? I haven't gone on there for a while. No, no. I'm just going to say something now. Okay. Which people are going to probably love to hate. But I just want you to know that when I get called unrelatable, I think it's very aspirational to be so unrelatable that that's what people think about you. So I don't care when you think I'm unrelatable. That is something that everyone should aspire to be in life. I don't think you've ever professed to be relatable. Never. What a better thing than people to say about you that you're so worlds apart from normal that they cannot relate.

1:00:36It's a compliment for you. It's a huge compliment. And I just want to thank you, actually, and not really rant about you. Because it's been a huge ego boost to me, people saying that I'm unrelatable. And I thank you. And I feel like I'm going to inspire my daughters for people when they grow up. What better compliment than she's just so unrelatable. There you go. I don't like listening. because she's so unrelatable. Well, guess what? I'm going to keep doing my thing and you can go fuck yourself.

1:01:05Anna Williamson:Thank you and good night. Or just get stuck into the... Well, I think that's an excellent reminder. Just a little rant there. Just a minor rant. I'm aspirationally unrelatable and I thank you. You are relatable at times. I'm very relatable. But you've never professed to be relatable, to be fair. I actually love it. That's my positive rant. I've broken my neck. Oh, I've broken my fucking neck. Oh, no. Oh, they look really nice as well. And that little paint hole. Right, that's it. But don't worry, we're going to be here every Monday. If you don't want to wait until then, on Thursday, we do have Luana.

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