'The kids think they rule the roost, and they bloody don't!'

24 Aug 2026 · 1 h 10 min · 25 chapters

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In short

The hosts chat about holiday hangovers and travel, then recommend podcasts/documentaries and share “recoseco” (food/entertainment) picks. The main listener segment is advice on parenting: how to encourage a toddler’s risk-taking and confidence without undermining a partner who is more coddling.

Guests

No named guests appear; it’s a two/three-host conversational episode (Luana, Imo, and Anna referenced).

Key claims

High-functioning heroin addiction can exist (discussing Blink: Jake Handel’s story). Kids need autonomy and “release the invisible string” so they learn risk management; fear-based coddling can damage confidence. Parenting clashes often come from fear and different goals, so couples should align on outcomes and create “guide rails.”

Notable examples

A hangover story from a cocktail van birthday; crocheted fringe clutch for Celine Dion tickets; a toddler climbing-frame incident where the partner says “you’re not ready”; a swimming-pool story where a child repeatedly strips naked and tries to drown staff.

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Chapters

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Travel Tales: Jet2 vs EasyJet

1:02 to 2:21

Discussion about travel experiences and preferences for airlines.

“So you're in Portugal at the moment with the old famile.”

Back to School Chaos

2:21 to 4:25

Conversation about kids returning to school and holiday routines.

“It is annoying, but I like the fact that there's also no pockets so I don't have other people's leftover shit in front of me.”

Hangover Stories and Birthday Fun

4:25 to 7:58

A recount of a recent hangover experience after a friend's birthday party.

“And I just thought you and Imo look quite pale compared to me.”

Decree: No More Drinking!

7:58 to 8:29

A humorous decree about not drinking again after a hangover.

“And also, they make you feel shit because there's so much sugar in them.”

Celine Dion Concert Plans

8:29 to 9:33

Hosts share their excitement about going to a Celine Dion concert.

“It's only like three weeks till we go to Celine Dion.”

Tales of Fashion and Beauty

9:33 to 12:20

Discussion about beauty, self-esteem and fashion after a night out.

Summer Routine Reflections

13:16 to 14:00

Hosts reflect on summer routines and getting back to normalcy.

“Just quickly, guys, we haven't said yet.”

The Struggles of Parenting

14:00 to 14:27

Discussing the challenges of parenting during the holidays and the return to routine.

Podcast Recommendation: Blink

14:27 to 19:13

Recommendation and discussion about the podcast 'Blink' and its gripping storyline.

“The Wreck-a-Zerco, the Wreck-a-Zerco, it's the Wreck-a-Zerco.”

The Lindsay Clancy Case Discussion

19:13 to 22:22

Discussion about the ongoing Lindsay Clancy murder trial and legal limitations on commentary.

“Like the Binge is, I guess, the production company and Blink is the podcast.”
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Reflections on Boyzone Documentary

22:22 to 26:58

Sharing reflections on the Boyzone documentary and its portrayal of band dynamics.

“Because what's the worst that can happen there?”

Food Recommendation: Cohen's Bagels

26:58 to 28:05

Recommendation of Cohen's bagels and discussing their unique texture.

Exploring New Bagel Textures

28:05 to 29:52

Discover the unique textures and flavors of Coen's bagels and personal preferences.

Post-Hangover Reflections

29:52 to 30:40

Discussing hangover experiences and recovery, with humorous anecdotes.

“And I've just added Marmite to my basket.”

Update from Lasagna: Resilience in Relationships

30:40 to 33:06

An uplifting update from a listener on overcoming personal struggles and finding love.

“I thought I'd provide you with an update.”

Navigating Parenting Conflicts

33:06 to 35:52

A discussion on differing parenting styles and the challenges that arise from them.

“The rope made it more tricky, but I've seen him climb higher things.”

Finding Balance in Parenting Approaches

35:52 to 42:06

Examining how parents can balance encouragement and realism in raising children.

Navigating Parenting Goals and Challenges

42:06 to 46:39

Discussing the importance of setting parenting goals and managing fears in parenting.

Handling Parenting Clashes and Communication

46:40 to 48:09

Exploring common clashes in parenting styles and the need for communication between parents.

“You know, and you've just got to sometimes have a bit of a blow up.”

Humorous Challenges in Childcare

48:10 to 51:04

Sharing a funny and challenging story from a childcare experience involving unexpected situations.

“I used to work as an outreach support worker for children with disabilities.”

Debating Parenting in Public Situations

51:05 to 55:50

Discussing a recent incident involving a child on a flight and the complexities of parenting in public.

“You were doing God's work because that is no easy feat.”

Parental Challenges and Children's Behavior

56:00 to 57:42

Discussing how parenting styles impact children's behavior in school.

“because the fucking parents never side with the teachers.”

Cultural Differences in Child Rearing

57:42 to 59:26

Exploring how children from different cultures are raised and expectations placed on them.

“bloody soft with their kids all this gentle parenting bollocks i'm sorry but it just but But then in this case, do we know, do we, there hasn't been any information on how much the parent did try.”

A Controversial Drama Series

59:26 to 1:05:11

An amusing story about a wealthy woman who creates a drama series to kiss the lead.

“We just are very, very babyish with our children.”

Weirdo of the Week Segment

1:05:11 to 1:07:36

Sharing odd and amusing listener stories, including one about preserving scabs.

“It's a little bit weird, which brings us beautifully onto.”
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Transcript

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0:02This is a global production.

0:04Anna Williamson:Be warned, it's Luana and this podcast contains honest, upfront opinions, rants, pants and general explicit content. But, you know, you love it. He's not going to look like a 1990s heartthrob still, is he? I'm on day three of a hangover. I feel absolutely dreadful. They're to sit down and do what they're told. It's the definition of weird. If you look up in the dictionary, it's this. It's absolutely gripping, let me tell you. And I cannot wait to go and crochet this afternoon and listen to it. I'm not drinking ever again. You will, though. Until we go to Celine Dion.

0:48Good morrow.

0:50Anna Williamson:Good morrow. Good morning, you sexy bitches. How are you? I'm good. Endless summer, now in Portugal. I was going to say, Lou, you are clocking up those air miles, Babs. Welcome, everyone, to Luana the Podcast. I am. Greta Thunberg would hate me. But you didn't do the PJ. So you're in Portugal at the moment with the old famile. But you went from one extreme to the other, actually, didn't you? You went from the PJ to Jet 2. There you go. Keeping it real. Everybody loves a Jet 2 holiday. Everybody loves a Jet 2 holiday. How was your Jet 2 flight? Yeah, it was fine. Jet 2's quite good, actually. it's quite roomy you know the seats are quite big and the legroom's quite good it's very red i would give jet two a solid eight and a half out of ten actually there were no delays the staff were really polite they played the little song which brought joy to my heart

1:48Anna Williamson:do you know what speakers you find i've been on jet two a few times and i cannot complain i've Never had a bad night with them. So here we are. So I think EasyJet is my least favourite. Right. They're in the bank. I'd probably go like Jet2, Ryanair, EasyJet. And I'm only not going Ryanair first because there often are delays with Ryanair. And also the seats are smaller and the legroom's not as good. And what annoys me on Ryanair is the pocket thing. They don't have a pocket, so I can't put my shit in it, whereas Jet2 do. So that's my vote. However, I'm with you. It is annoying, but I like the fact that there's also no pockets so I don't have other people's leftover shit in front of me.

2:30Anna Williamson:Do you know what I mean? I don't want a little, you know, fruit pastel packet wedged down there or a snotty tissue. So I quite like the cleanliness aspect of it. So there we go. I get why they do it. I get why they do it. It's quick and easy. Hi guys. As you say, we are now, we're all sort of like staggering towards the end of the holidays now. Keep going guys. We're nearly there. Kids are nearly back at school. I go back to school on the 31st. Yes, yeah, yours do, don't they? You're nearly there now. Well, I've got two that go back on the 31st of August, one that Dixie will take to school on the 5th.

3:03Anna Williamson:The 31st is a bank holiday, though, no? Doobes. It's not in Dubai, babe. Doobes schools, yeah, they go back a bit early. Scotland go back early as well. They work us bitches to the bone. Yeah, good, I'm here for that. No, actually, there are so many bank holidays in Dubai, Well, not bank holidays, but like religious celebrations. Like during Ramadan, the kids only go to school till 11am. Like I shit you not. They go in at half seven till 11 and that lasts for a whole month. It doesn't. Yeah, a whole month. Oh no. Oh, that's not for me. Isn't that wild? That's a tick in my con list. And then there's like Eid and they just don't go to school then.

3:44Honestly, I don't know how they have a good education, but they all come out pretty good in Dubai. Do they do, like, what do they do in that time?

3:52Anna Williamson:Just mess about? Or do they have to do, like, homeschooling? Like, no, no homeschooling. You're just like, it's like a celebration time, isn't it? So you just finish at 11 and live your best life. Oh, wow. Not a mile watch. Not for you. It's actually quite nice because there's so much, like, to do there. Actually, it is nice family time. You just, like, go to the beach and, you know, like, roller skate. And it's actually really good. to be fair I love that you're finding the positives in that I like my children more when I'm in Dubai yeah you say that do you know because it's a bit more well you say more sunshine we've had a lovely lovely sunshine in the UK look we can't complain I've been loving it all the sweaty Brits they've not liked it well I think do you know what's quite interesting I've never seen so many sort of everyone looks a bit healthier and a bit more tan do you know what I was about to say that and then I looked at like Imo and then my colour and Imo's colour and your colour.

4:53And I just thought you and Imo look quite pale compared to me. Oh, it's that factor 50, babes. I'm trying to protect the old skin cancer over here. I was going to say everyone looks healthier, but you two look quite albino.

5:04Anna Williamson:Do you know what I do today? I think I've put a little light on. How are you? You're a little white, me all but you're off there. Other than looking like a Victorian peasant, clearly. How are you feeling today? I am feeling lovely My self-esteem is through the roof Yeah, great Well look, Elise, look She'll be more like Magin Benidorm Quicker than we will So, you know You look like a leather handbag I know And I really do need a facelift It's independent You don't No, I'm going to get one I think the fizz log's looking pretty good No, I was looking at my phone like down like that and then you know like when the screen's a bit darker and you can see yourself in the screen horrific so i started having to like pull my face back yeah and then i thought no the time will come soon the time will come well i mean actually i'll be honest you say i look a bit um like albino today fairs girls i'm gonna i mean i am on i have never felt so rancid as i have felt over the last couple of days.

6:08Anna Williamson:I'm on day three of a hangover. I feel absolutely dreadful. You know, I went around to Luz on whenever it was, Friday, to pop around with the Sproggies. And, you know, I had to go to that, my mate's little birthday cocktail night. Oh, yeah, how was it? Oh, my God, it was brilliant. It was really fun. Quite, you know, quite small, you know, really nice. What was it for, just a cocktail? Just a friend's birthday. Just a friend's birthday, and they'd hired, like, a cocktail van and stuff. Oh, nice. It was really cute. Like our friends have a bit like, you know how you got your little Lulu's basement club?

6:41Anna Williamson:Our friends have got one. They just moved to a new house. They've sort of got a bit of a similar vibe going on. So it was quite small. But I haven't seen these mates of ours in ages. Well, let me tell you, it takes a lot for Big A to also drink to excess because he doesn't do that. He's a healthy boy, as you know. Oh my God. This is where living in the village can come a cropper because we walked to our friend's house. Oh. didn't have anywhere to be the next day. All I remember is the long pitch dark home, me and Alex, our poor babysitter. We had to stagger over a river. And all I remember is like, and I got to the bottom of a hill and I decided to give up and sat down.

7:27Anna Williamson:This is in the pitch dark at like early hours of the morning, sat on the bottom of the hill. And he was like, you've got to go. I don't even remember. I had to apologise to Hazza, our babysitter, the next morning because I don't know what I said. All I know is I got in and then I woke up. I've even got a photo I can show you. I'll even show you a photo because Alex put on our group chat, man down. I don't remember this, but it wasn't just me, thank God. A couple of others also were feeling like horrific. The cocktails were cocktailing. They were cocktailing. It's cocktails. It's like drinking liquid ice cream.

7:59Anna Williamson:Do you know what I mean? Or whatever it is. And also, they make you feel shit because there's so much sugar in them. There we go. I don't know if you can see that. I don't know if you can see. There's my bathroom. I'm lying butt naked on my floor. Basically, apparently, I came in, stripped off, threw up, and then passed out by my toilet until the early hours. I'm on day three, and I still can only eat salt and vinegar hula hoops. So I have decided. I am now making a decree here on Nuanna, the podcast, to all of you millions of Lufanians, I'm not drinking ever again. You will, though. Until we go to Celine Dion.

8:33Oh my God. It's only like three weeks till we go to Celine Dion. I'm so excited. God, I'm so excited. I have been crocheting each of your bag. Do you want to see exhibit A?

8:44Anna Williamson:Imo, this is so exciting. So we're going to Celine Dion in Paris. We managed to get tickets. Describe the bag, Lou, for the audio listeners. So, and I'm so proud of myself because normally I follow a pattern and I didn't follow a pattern for this. I sort of followed a loose pattern and then invented myself. So it's like a clutch with a little handle and it's got fringe on it. Is it black? It's black, but it's got like black, with black leathery and then sparkly bits going through it. And if you're watching on YouTube, you'll be able to see it. I actually am so proud of myself, but I wish that I would have wrote down how I did it.

9:25Anna Williamson:I didn't know that you could crochet with like leather, like leathery. I thought it was all just woolly yarn no this is called t-shirt yarn look can you see the leathery bits yeah this is honestly guys one of the you need to stick it on socials one of the most incredible truly I'm not even just saying that to kiss your ass I wouldn't say if it was shit either to be fair but it is very very good like if you told me you just bought that I'd be like cool that's a really cool bag like that's really nice anyway guys she's making me a gold clutch making Anna a gold clutch today well after this pod I'm going to play paddle and then I have got a Thai massage and reflexology for 90 minutes this afternoon isn't that joyful for me what a day actually what a day and I've just realised because guys I've cocked up and thought we all had a meeting in after this pod record and now we don't we've all gained an hour of our life so I've gained an hour I'm going to because the kids are at camp at the moment I'm going to go and see me Thai masseuse to try and massage out this hangover it's exactly what i'm gonna that's what you need to get rid of the toxins toxins i'm gonna do that i'm sweating i feel awful it's horrendous immo how are you i'm i'm swell i'm having a lovely time yesterday i had a really productive day we like went through our whole like bedroom and wardrobe and cleared out a load of shit stuck a load of shit on vintage i've made some money overnight need to go to the post office now that's the annoying part but it's fine you've you've gained an hour of your life so i can do that i i yeah i'm not feeling good i'm feeling i'm feeling warm i'm always warm it's not that warm in portugal beyond a boob sweat is just persistent oh have you seen those boob things and they're like basically so like if you're hot they go like round the back of your neck and then like cut your boobs yeah have you seen those yeah that looks like so good yeah and it's i can't remember what it's called it literally is like a like it's a towel basically but it just goes round your neck cuts each boob so it's like a and then just like lift them up then you can just like jangle around the house where do i get this from i need to google it instantly i should get you to i haven't bought one because my boobs like just stay up because they're fake but you're you're that investment worked out for you it would work because it works on natural boobs right and i can't remember what it's called if i find it maybe if i talk to my boob towel hoist oh got it the towel bra is it that yeah yes bra sweat towel immo you and i need this we get sweaty tits we've got lovely luscious heavy tits But yeah, the tater tale.

12:19Anna Williamson:I've just had a flashback of Friday night. Me and me, mate Grace, we were both smashed, literally. You know how you waggle tits? We were comparing who had the heaviest tits. Yeah.

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13:24Anna Williamson:Just quickly, guys, we haven't said yet. It's very important, very important you do this. You're following us on your favourite podcast platform. If you're new to us, welcome. If you're old and we love you even more, make sure you're following and subscribing on YouTube, please. So what else has everybody been up to, guys? so everyone seems like they're having a nice little mellow i'm in there i'm in the sort of the summer holidays flow now which is nice i'm sort of enjoying it i'm itching to get back to routine actually are you yeah it gets to a point we've had enough of sort of the you know the lanes and the bullshit yeah i am i know everyone nights of the kids it's the late nights with the kids i know everyone like there's two camps aren't there the people that go to about parents stop moaning about your kids off on holidays all i say is you try having kids around full time when you're trying to work and everything else um but you know have enjoyed the summer but as you say it is important to get back to routine i want that six seven hours back every day when they're at school doing their school thing it's important it's important it is well listen should we move on then to yeah let's go i've got some good reco here we go then it's time for it's the record The Wreck-a-Zerco, the Wreck-a-Zerco, it's the Wreck-a-Zerco.

14:36Anna Williamson:Ba-da-da! Okay, shall I go? Go. Right, it's a podcast again, guys. I don't know what has happened to me. You've changed. I love this. I've changed. You both listened to The Poet, did you? You enjoyed that one? I listened to it all. I haven't listened to it yet. It's in my stack. It's in my queue. Terrible. Anyway, okay, it's another one from The Binge, which is like this series. uh called blink oh i'm actually only on episode four but it you've got to listen to it it's basically um about this guy who is i'll just tell you like the premise of it but it's basically about this guy who was like a high functioning heroin addict which i didn't think you could be like i thought if you're a heroin addict you are just like a down and out and you're about to die and you're like robbing them and shit.

15:34No. There is a whole wave of people who literally are high-functioning heroin addicts. They take hits like every hour. They almost like microdose heroin and it amps them up to be more productive in life.

15:48Anna Williamson:Fun fact. Well, actually, it's not a fun fact. Years ago, I knew of a GP who was a high-functioning heroin addict. Yeah, and they got struck off when they got found out. But yeah, for years, they've been a high functioning and a very competent GP, but obviously he got found out. It's crazy, right? So I never knew that. Not the best advert for heroin really, is it? Because then I always thought like, if you do heroin once you're hooked and you will die. Turns out no. Anyway, so basically, but what happens is to him, there's, it's rare, but it does happen, that there's a thing that basically it's a terminal disease that can happen from ingesting toxic fumes.

16:31So not just heroin, like any kind of toxic fumes, and it kills the white matter of your brain, which basically means that it's called something encephalophilous. Anyway, basically what that means is that you lose all function of your body. I guess it's a bit like ALS. You know where your movement goes and then your speech goes? Is that called ALS? Right. so basically he gets this thing a diagnosis of this the white matter of his brain is dying because of his heroin addiction and um so he loses like his ability to move and then you lose your ability to speak and then to swallow and then you go into a coma and then you die and that is like it's like a maximum of six months basically like till you're dead because it happens well like know but because they don't think they get locked in because they they're essentially they think that their brain dead till their body then dies but he gets locked in and he obviously he obviously survives right because he is doing the podcast with this podcast host so obviously he's survived because he's in the podcast from day one his speech is a little bit like you can tell something's happened to him like brain injury wise but it's fine like you can't fully understand him and stuff so obviously he's surprised I'm only on episode four but I'm at the point now where he is locked in so he is now telling us of his experience of being locked in and he hears like his wife and his brother having his wife and his dad sorry having an argument that gets physical he hears like a bottle go over someone's head one of them then falls down the stairs and that like that's where I'm at it is it is such it you have to listen to

18:33Anna Williamson:this right okay this this this has gripped me it it fascinates me and terrifies me locked in and I don't know how he's because obviously I'm only on episode four but he obviously lives to tell this tale and he's like telling you this story he's like I can't move I can't speak but I can hear what's happening like I hear this argument I hear someone fall down the stairs and then I hear like an ambulance like and he hears like a 999 call it's wild so he's like literally heard a crime maybe a potential murder we don't know he's locked in so no one can ask him it's absolutely gripping, let me tell you.

19:12And I cannot wait to go and crochet this afternoon and listen to it. I'm so hooked on it. Is it called again? Blink. It's called Blink. Blink. And it's from the Binge. Like the Binge is, I guess, the production company and Blink is the podcast. I think it's either six or eight episodes, but I'm dying to get to the end because how does he survive this? Because the white matter of his brain is dying. so I don't understand how he's like come out of it. Yeah, it's really good. Okay, right. So if you girls could listen to it before our next record, can we then like debrief it in our news stories, please?

19:52Anna Williamson:Okay, I've got such a backlog of like a list. There's so many good things I'm listening to and watching. This one is better than the poet. It's to the top of your list, girls. It's to the top, okay? Please go listen to it because I really want someone to discuss it with. To talk to. Hang on. Let me just, hang on, let me just quickly put it in here. I'm lonely. Just so, there's nothing worse. Hang on, so Blink. Hang on, let me just check I've got the right one. I'm going to send you the link. Jake Handel's story? Yes, it's him. It's Jake Handel. Yeah, Blink, Jake Handel's story. Right, okay, got it, fine, got it.

20:27I can't get my head around it and I need to listen to it more. Okay, done. Thank you, babes. Okay, love that. That's like my worst nightmare, being locked in.

20:34Anna Williamson:oh I'm mine yeah you gotta you gotta take me out girls if that happens to me literally take me out but they don't know he's not in they think that he's brain dead and they keep having these conversations around him thinking that he can't hear awful awful imagine though when eventually obviously because he does regain function and stuff and then he remembers everything and then you're like oh she doesn't mean it sorry about that and i think i haven't got to this bit yet but there's they allude in this podcast of something sinister like about his wife and like oh i just well excuse me the heebie-jeebies well look can we just actually before sorry i was gonna say well just before because i think we need to also just do a little touch on uh on a with this is a group luanimo recoseco guys in that we the three of us are obsessed at the moment.

21:28Anna Williamson:Do you know what? I've just now given myself the ick because I know I said what I said last week was I hate people using the word obsessed. I've just done it to myself. Okay, but we are very invested in the Lindsay Clancy slash Patrick Clancy murder trial that is currently going on in the States. Many of you will know about it. We can't talk about it for libel reasons. Legal reasons. It's an ongoing case. All we're going to say is though... Fucking legal reasons. Can't even have an opinion. Well, we don't want to go to jail on it, but we'll just say we are watching very closely. Our group chat blows up about 10pm every night when we go into our doom scrolls.

22:05Anna Williamson:Every night, 10pm, three of us are doom scrolling the Lindsay Clancy case. We are the Instagram jury as well. So that is our echo seco as well, is that we are hooked and glued on that one. And we'll no doubt come back to this. As soon as the trial is over, guys, we can talk about it. But we can't talk about, we're going to do a Luanna extra hot on it but we can't talk about it when it's a current trial it's really fucking annoying the whole reason can I just say I'm going to have a mini rant here the whole reason why I started wanting to do a podcast with you Anna all those years ago was because I loved the fact that you could say whatever the fuck you wanted on podcast without being fucking regulated and off-commed and legaled the shit out of and now that every fucker in the world has a podcast we can't be like that anymore and it's really fucking annoying so where is my outlet?

23:00where is my outlet? Instagram to be like illegal but babe

23:03Anna Williamson:even if you'd spoken about it back then it would still have been illegal yeah that's always been illegal that's always been illegal it's just really annoying I just want to say what I say without any kind of repercussions I want to have my non-repercussion opinion and I can't in case someone sues me. Well, do it on your Instagram. Because what's the worst that can happen there? No, they can still sue me. You look like I've got Katie Hopkins. Oh, yeah, don't do that. Oh, yeah, don't do that. She got sued over Twitter. No, just don't do it. We'll do it when we can do it. My husband might divorce me.

23:44Anna Williamson:Yeah, don't do that. You've got to weigh up the costs, yeah? You don't want to get divorced. You don't want to kill your career entirely. Do you know what I mean? So it's worth it. It's worth it. um anyway guys so if you could all follow that as well because we will be continuing this chat over the next few episodes as and when we can talk about it all of us can talk about it um right but my recosec hope for this week um is now this is a little bit of a throwback actually um but i i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna talk about it um it's because it's boy zone right sounds a bit random um but the boy so i so keith is kind of an old pal of mine i haven't spoken to him in a while to be fair but you know i but it's the i came back onto it when i was doing katie price documentary on now which i've now got my subscription on now because i've stopped ripping off emos it's really good um and then i saw the the next one lined up was the boy zone documentary now to be fair this did come out last year um but i thought oh i'll watch that because it reminded me because i don't know if you saw recently guys maybe a few weeks ago um mikey graham um and the boys own boys um got back together on stage for a concert somewhere and it made a lot of the headlines because a lot of people were really uh unkind about mikey um you know his appearance um he's had a hard time like well he's just you know he's just looks very different to to how he was he's gone quite plastic surgery no no he's gained a lot of weight um and And he's got kind of, he just looks very different.

25:14Anna Williamson:You know, he's got a facial hair, a beard and a hat. But people get old and fat. That's what happens to us when we get older. Well, this, I think. He's not going to look like a 1990s heart rock still, is he? But what intrigued me was it did kind of go, it blew up in the headlines because some people were really unkind about it. And his daughter came to his defence saying, you know, fucking how dare you? Like, this took a lot of guts for my dad to come back on stage and reunite with the boys. so then I was thinking what is this story I sort of missed this whole story and then lots of people going well they talked about this in the documentary so I went well I haven't watched the documentary so I went back and watched it to find out what the tea actually was and basically Mikey um talked really openly about how he struggled just with the whole thing with boyzone um and it's really really interesting how um how they got together and all of the sort of the politics and everything happened and then Mikey kind of came away and for his own health he just stepped away from it all um and i didn't realize and this is even knowing keith i didn't realize how much and it's brutal what they went on obviously stephen gately died and louis walsh really is uh who appears in it comes across as such a villain like a villain manager so i found the whole documentary normally he's the jolly little irish one when you watch this documentary it's quite dark actually and when you hear from all of the lads around all of what went on with Boyzone to the way they were put together to where they are now I thought it was one of the most interesting and like oh my god documentaries I have watched in that kind of genre so it's the Boyzone documentary on now I think you can do it on Sky Sky whatever it is as well whatever they you know have the same panel but yeah that's my Reco Sacco it was really good okay ims mine is a food okay of course it is yes food always a crisp or a biscuit it's not a crisp nor a biscuit oh but it is another type of carbohydrate is it it is it's a bagel oh okay okay so i follow this woman on tiktok called victoria and i'm obsessed with her she's like a farmer's wife and she cooks and she does fun things and she does like a cardo unboxing which i really enjoy anyway yeah like she'll get her a card award and she'll just unpack it on on tiktok right send me her profile immediately i shall plagiarize her content and uh money from this might even pay for my card award perfect there you go um well she has many times when I've been watching her said about these bagels and they're called Cohen's bagels on Ocado obviously yeah so they're made by Cohen's and they're on Ocado and um I was like fine I'll try these bagels uh I will see what the crack is with these bagels because I love a bagel and I love a bagel peanut butter and cream cheese delicious but they're really like a texture I've never had they're not like your usual bagel texture pray tell because a usual bagel texture is quite sort of doughy quite dense yeah but it's not like that at all what is the texture like I'm hungry it's almost like briochey the texture almost it's quite like crumbly and delicious and at first I was like I'm not sure if I like this and then I was like yeah I'm into this I'm adding this to my basket as you're talking it was really good toasted and with butter and whatever you like on your Marmite, I like butter and Marmite I like Bovrelton I need to buy Marmite, Coen's bagels I've bought these before because they do rainbow ones they do rainbow ones do they?

29:16Anna Williamson:I just got the plain ones for four bagels though it's£7 Oh fuck that For the rainbow ones yeah I'm going to buy those though One powered and from Tesco Okay and then I'm going to buy normal bagels As a little treat A Coen's bagel of a morning Was absolutely delicious So thank you Victoria, love you Great record Emma, we do enjoy a bagel In the Deep Esqually household So I do have an Ocado shop as well So I will also give them a try And shout out to Ocado if they want to sponsor this pod. Yes, please. And I've just added Marmite to my basket. Do Marmite. You've always got to be a Marmite bagel.

29:57Anna Williamson:Always. I like cream cheese. Maybe a little bit of cheese on top. I like cream cheese on one half and peanut butter on the other half. Mine's cheese Marmite bagel. I really need one now because I'm on day three of a hangover and I've just started to get my appetite back from throwing up. Do you know, I went to go and feed the cat yesterday. Vombed. It's one smell of the cat food. Vombed. Really? this is a bad hangover it's now Monday and you're like still puking from Friday from Saturday night oh no Friday night yeah bad Friday night maybe you got like food poisoning though I didn't

30:38right shall we crack on with some messages we have got an update okay from a non so lasagna remember lasagna yes yes hi guys i know how much you love an update we do and you know what lasagna no one ever fucking sends them so thank you very much yeah i still think about this woman who was going through domestic abuse and ran away that fucking message haunts me at night it was about two years ago and i still think about that bloody woman

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31:07Anna Williamson:guys we actually care about you yeah we care about you we're invested in you what happened to her because I'm concerned. Right. I thought I'd provide you with an update. Also with the hope that it might help someone in a similar situation. At the beginning of the year, I sent you guys a message about my husband who I had been with since I was 14. Cheating on me, finding out over Christmas and telling me he didn't love me anymore. I think you called me lasagna. Anyway, with no intention of actually finding someone, I downloaded some dating apps for a distraction from my misery. literally just a welcome distraction obviously didn't think I was ready for anything else well what I didn't expect is that I would find someone absolutely incredible the most loving kind patient and funny person that I've ever met we share so many coincidences and so many of our values and goals intertwine I've never felt more secure and loved we basically never left each other's side after our first day and have now officially been together for nearly five months but honestly it feels like years.

32:13I just wanted to send this message to anyone who may be going through similar to what I did, thinking your whole world is shattered because I am proof that you can do it alone and you can find someone who loves you for who you are. It's shown me that my perfect relationship wasn't as perfect as I thought and things really do happen for a reason. Even if you think you aren't ready, don't give up on something that you think could bring you happiness as you deserve it. Obviously, there are still some very tough times going through a divorce, but if I can bloody do it, anyone can. Anyway, thanks guys for what you do.

32:49You've also helped me through the difficult times when all I want is a laugh and distraction. And thank you for your lovely words of positivity and advice the last time. I love you all. Lasagna.

32:59Anna Williamson:Oh, good for you, Liz. Well done. You know what? Life is for living. You only get one shot at it. Thank you. That's made our day. keep in your updates please guys we do care about you right message from anonymous so alicent alicent it's just an old person's name okay oh thank you thank you we're trying to like look for the rudeness yeah i'm like what it's on this one uh hi lou anemo love the pod i am in need of some advice this is a long one so i'm sorry but i just don't know where to turn my partner and i have a toddler together and recently we've been struggling with parenting and having opposing opinions when it comes to parenting styles particularly when it comes to outside play I try to encourage our child to go for it whilst we take a step back at a safe distance to allow him to work it out for himself and give him confidence in himself I think my partner coddles him too much and pushes his anxieties onto our child in the park the other day he was playing on a toddler size climbing frame with a slide my son is a little on the shorter side therefore finds climbing a little more challenging he was struggling to push himself onto the structure that was no more than a meter off the floor and had a rope step and handles to use.

34:06Anna Williamson:The rope made it more tricky, but I've seen him climb higher things. So I knew he could do it with a bit of practice, encouragement, and maybe a little push up for physical support the first couple of times. I was encouraging him to keep trying and to push, but he eventually gave up when my partner said, you're not ready for that. You're a bit small. For the next hour at the park, he started to get really nervous around that area and then started saying, I can't do it. I mentioned it to my partner and said to him, you need to use positive encouragement. He's now lost confidence and he won't go near it because you told him he's too small to use it.

34:36Anna Williamson:He's never going to develop if we're not encouraging him and using positive affirmations. My partner didn't like this and didn't want to hear it. This then turned into a whole argument about how I micromanage his parenting, that it'll be my fault if my child falls and hurts himself and that all I want to do is argue. I explained to him that I'm not trying to argue or micromanage. I'm only looking out for my child to support his physical development. I'm not attacking his parenting. I'm offering advice and support to help him encourage our child's confidence instead of putting ideas into his head of him thinking he can't do something.

35:05Anna Williamson:I've also got a little bit of experience working with young children as well as studying a little bit of child development and psychology in the past. When I bring that up, I know what I'm talking about because of those things. I get told it doesn't matter because every child is different, which, yes, is true, but not in this context. If you tell a young child they can't do something, especially from a caregiver and parent, they're going to believe that is the case and children look for their parents or trusted people for guidance, safety and reassurance. Yeah, I agree. It's really frustrating when I see my child's potential and I build his confidence when it's just us.

35:35Anna Williamson:But as soon as my partner steps in, he regresses. And it's even more frustrating when I can't even talk to my partner and not get listened to. My knowledge undermined without me being made out to be in the wrong and end up in arguments. I just don't even know what to do anymore. How can I advocate for and encourage my child when someone who is supposed to work with me is working against me this is really tricky and I think this echoes a lot of couples um and not even couples actually I think it's an even bigger challenge actually at times when parents have split and they're co-parenting we throw step parents into the mix here as well I think just parenting in general right Lou and I think from a therapeutic point of view I find when I work with couples around marriage um and when if I'm working with couples that are having you know problems often parenting styles does massively come into this and I know that when Alex and I became parents um we didn't discuss uh what kind of parents we were what influences we had from our backgrounds and how we wanted to be parents and I think and you and I say this a lot don't we Lou that often a lot of the arguments we have with our husbands are down to the parenting right yeah 100 % I think actually that's really the only time that Andrew and I would clash because same I'm I'm a bit like this lady like I want them to be independent to do their thing to discover the world to problem solve to be able to be like critical thinkers and yes um whereas andrew would be a lot more modicoddling a lot more controlling you know like i've always for instance i think that decision making is such an important part of life and there are so many adults that i know that procrastinate that cannot make a decision with with conviction that that fluff around that take ages to do anything I'm the total opposite of that right I shoot from the hip I'm very quick and sometimes that goes against me most time it goes for me to be honest with you um but and I really want you know my children to have that ability and I do think that starts on being very young so I would always for instance say to my kids here are three outfits so you control that within those three outfits do you want the blue trousers the pink trousers or the green trousers they then make a decision from those options that you've given them whereas Andrew for instance would be like put the pink trousers on and and I think that like I do think that you are right in this message and that your partner is wrong to be honest with you but it's really really hard because nobody has a child and wants to be a bad parent nobody has a child and wants to not do the right thing by their child so you're kind of telling him that that he's wrong but obviously that's gonna hurt him and that's gonna upset him because nobody outwardly wakes up and goes right I'm gonna be a shit parent today and I'm gonna do the wrong things and I'm going to make the wrong decisions.

38:33So actually, it's really hard criticising someone else's parenting because all they want is to do the best and they're doing what they think is best. And I really don't have the answer for it. It's such a huge challenge. And I think that as your child grows, then your partner can see that. And that's what kind of had to happen with Andrew and I because I was like, you know, when you look around at perhaps some other family members that we've got, you know, and even me like saying to some of our extended family, what do you want for breakfast? The children couldn't answer me. And they weren't children, you know, they were like 10, 11, 12 at this point because their parents had always consistently controlled everything.

39:17Answered for them. To the point where they can't even tell you if they want toast or Cheerios for breakfast because that ability to make decisions has never been given to them. But that then transfers into adults who then can't make decisions about things. That then transfers into young adults that can't make a decision about what they want to do for A-levels or GCSEs because they've never had to make decisions like that. And so whilst I do think you're right, I think you have to tread really, really carefully here and perhaps change your approach to get what you want, which is kind of what I had to do with Andrew, to be honest.

39:56you know I was a bit like well you know what what is our end goal here you know do we want to create a young young adults that are independent that can that can critically think that can problem solve that are confident manageable in that I yeah that you know all these things that actually you want to make a a brilliant well-rounded adult right because you know and then okay so let's take that back how do we achieve that and I honestly had to do that with Andrew because you know you're never going to be able to create a person like that if they're not given the ability within a controlled environment to do that and I think that maybe you need to look that far ahead with your partner to try and then work backwards to how you achieve that and it is what you're saying is absolutely right positive affirmations although I do think that positivity with children is really important I also think that being realistic with your children is really important so you know like Clemmie can't sing and Indy can sing for instance and I'll be like oh Clemmie you sound like a drowned rat like I I never you know in a jokey way like we're really big on banter in our house and a bit of like brutal banter because I don't want to

41:14Anna Williamson:create children that can't take criticism but your kids are used to that as well like I mean and I think again context um I think context around that is also really important and personalities um and and as you say my my family I grew up with with boys we are that's why probably you and I get on so well one of the many reasons because you know we we just really rip the shit out of each other and I just don't really get offended I'm just like I'll fuck off do you know what I mean but some people do but like for instance just one more example like one of the girls that works for me like she was told her whole life you're amazing you're brilliant you can do this like you know and I think that's great building people up but what that then transferred to in a work environment for her um was that any time that a boss criticized her she would just up and leave the job you know she'd just be like well they don't value me I'm off instead of thinking actually let me take on board this criticism reflection and and reflect so i think that whilst positive affirmations which is what this lady says in this message is important it also is important to be realistic and your husband is also being realistic at the same time so you know there probably is a bit of give and take um on each side i would say but i think you're right well i think what it comes down to is is looking at to your point you said that what is the goal I think that's really really important as you say as parents what is the goal of how we want our children to be raised but also looking at what is driving the way we are parenting and typically it comes from a place of fear um fear of anything going wrong you know the overwhelm you know just just the responsibility of having it I would be curious to know I'm like you I'm I'm a bit of a you as well and a bit of a I've had to really check myself to not be a helicopter parent as well at times because you naturally care about your kids and you don't you want them to be safe yeah it's so important to Lou's point we have to raise resilient uh children that have autonomy that have agency that have independence to be able to manage risk and you know we often talk about this invisible string and obviously it's very close when they're babies but we need to let it out like a fishing rod more and more as they get older they have to make mistakes they have to take risks to fathom out what is worth it you know if I didn't teach my kids how to stop look listen um when they cross a road when they're 18 years old if I was holding their hand the whole time and doing it for them they're gonna hit 18 and get straight into a car because they haven't learned exactly and and we had like for example and but I do get you know I think there needs to be a fine level of empathy and sympathy but I think a really big conversation with your husband to try and maybe create a bit more of a guide rail for both of you and creating as lucid that controlled environment to release that string a bit so for example and lose right as well about it feels like toxic positivity because kids do sponge of us they look to their caregivers for cues physical cues mental cues you know and it's why you know i'm not crazy about flying but christ alive my kids i hide that fucking fear like you know because i'm not projecting that it's like dogs when people are scared of dogs like my our friend lucy is scared of dogs and then her boys are scared of dogs and i was like lucy you can't be like that like it's not anyway now they've now they've got a dog got through it well there you go because our kids do take their cues and i'm not saying it's easy but you do have but kids do naturally look to their primary caregiver for a cue is this okay or is it not little example we had a holiday recently we were in a you know all-inclusive hotel so i knew it was pretty safe you know the kids wanted to go and get some drinks from the bar you know which was at the other side of kind of the swimming pool resort bit you know I know they again it's man it's managing the risk in your head they can both swim uh there was a lifeguard there they said can we go and get drinks I couldn't be arsed but actually they wanted to go because they wanted to practice their Italian as well and again it's no good I know but it's no good me getting up and doing it for them all the time because they're not going to learn and I thought well they're six and nine they can look after each other again it's it's it's it's letting that string out so they went off and I said well off you go to the bar you know what you're asking for and again it's doing it in a controlled environment now they ended up I got like 15 minutes later and they still weren't back so I did sort of think oh hang on a minute where actually have they gone because it is only literally you know around a few things so but again I didn't I didn't want to panic but equally I trust them but I got up and I sort of sidled around and I saw them at a distance and they were clearly in the mid they'd obviously got in the queue you know and they'd got themselves at the bar and then they were practicing what they needed to and they were Enzo was all grown up signing the little room build, you know what I mean, and everything.

45:55Anna Williamson:And I could see at a distance that they had, and he was clearly figuring out how to speak Italian and English. I thought, no, don't rescue him. He needs to figure it out. And they did. And he felt ever so proud of himself when he came back with the drinks orders and everything else, and they'd done it and they completed it. And, you know, in those moments, it is about giving them that autonomy in that controlled environment. And I'd really encourage your husband, but I think maybe ask him what his fear is a lot of this links to our own parenting as in how we were parented um my parents were pretty you know get out see you see you in a few hours you know get on with it so I think often it comes from from what we're used to as well but yeah you've got to get on the same page guys or this is going to be this is going to be hell for you you can go on parenting courses too which might be worth it does get easier as well as they get older i will say it's always a challenge when they're younger like babies is fine and then you get to that toddler like between you know like two and and five that's probably the most clash and then they start to become their own little people and also your husband will then just give up and leave it to use from my experience too we've got to be careful to not enable and it is hard and you will have clashes about it and as you say you just got to ride them through you got to ride them through it's one of the hardest things isn't it parenting it really is it really is and as I say I think Lou and I can both admit it's the one thing that really does cause bickering between our husbands the other night Alex took Enzo to Arsenal on the train and apparently they missed their last train home because Enzo then had a faff because he wanted a water bottle wanted to drink because he was thirsty but he wouldn't drink the water out of the water bottle that Alex had already got because Alex had already drunk out of it so went to go and get him a water bottle Mr.

47:35Train by a minute you know and I was like that kid either needs to learn to drink out that bottle

47:40Anna Williamson:or go thirsty or go thirsty yeah exactly and he was like you know what he's like I was like I don't care in that in that situation you've just got to lay it down and but again you have those moments so then I was cross because he was home late he was then overtired you know so and you can see how very quickly these things spiral Alex did nothing wrong he said you would have done the same if you were there Anna he was in one of those little moments he was having his little moment I get it I get it. You know, and you've just got to sometimes have a bit of a blow up. Exactly. And then agree that that's just a moment.

48:08Anna Williamson:Move on. You know, you've just got to move on. Well, good luck. Good luck. We do feel your pain. We do. We've got another message from Anon. So Emma, smother you in chocolate. Brilliant. Hi, Luanna. I have a traumatic swimming pool story. And I don't even have kids. I used to work as an outreach support worker for children with disabilities. One of the kids was two to one staff because she used to be quite challenging, aka she used to beat us up regularly. Her mum decided that us being twatted in the park wasn't enough and wanted us to see if the swimming calmed her. Okay. Do you know why I feel so bad because having a child like that is so challenging.

48:54Really challenging. It's so, so hard. The work that people do. And as the kids get bigger, I've got a friend and her boy's challenging. He's getting older now, you know, and he whacks her and it fucking hurts. It's actually horrible.

49:07Anna Williamson:It's horrible. I've got a parent friend who gets hit by their child. And they can't, the kids don't mean to. And then after he's devastated, but it's just, it's really, really just an awful situation to be in. Anyway, this kid regularly used to strip naked and run without warning. And at 14, she had entered puberty very early. not really relevant but it adds to the context of how on edge we were on every shift we started taking her swimming once a week i use the word swimming loosely as it mainly involved her trying to drown us for an hour and 45 minutes and praying that she didn't shit in the pool hour and 45 you have to laugh at such things like this you have to laugh you do you can't do this That's right.

49:52Yeah, exactly. To get changed, we usually needed to ask women's staff to help. So one of us could get changed first whilst the other sorted her out. This week was my turn. I'm enjoying five minutes peace while getting dry. I hear bum, bum and whip my head up to see the young person balanced on the stall above, completely buck naked, staring at me. Also completely naked. I'm getting sacked. I've exposed myself to a vulnerable child said child is precariously balanced on top of the stool naked minimum wage is not enough for this shit oh bless you I managed to cover myself with a towel tell her to stay still while I open the door to find out where my colleague has gone or if she is maybe dead nope she's been pushed and locked out of their changing room we had to have the door opened by maintenance call her mum and then report ourselves to our employer for safeguarding.

50:50Oh, Jesus. Oh, you poor cow. I left that job a year later after another child bit me through my bra and often laughed to myself about how these kinds of situations were just accepted as the norm. I hope it gave you a laugh. Give me a porn name, please, Imo. Oh, babes. You were doing God's work because that is no easy feat. That is not easy. We salute you.

51:16Anna Williamson:We salute you. And you're titty-biting and you're naked-exposing. Remember, if you want to get in touch, you can email us, Luanna at everythingluanna.com. You can also drop us a WhatsApp on 075-215-6464.

51:37Right, oh, newsy bits. I saw this story. basically a flight was cancelled because a kid refused to wear a seat belt it was a flight in Canada and the Porter Airlines flight it was flying from Victoria to Toronto it returned to the terminal as a young child was standing in their seat and would not secure their seat belt the flight then didn't depart the runway closed after midnight so all the passengers had to be rebooked on a flight the following day and this incident has now split opinion about how children should be treated in such situations.

52:19Anna Williamson:So the Port Air Line said attempts by the accompanying parent and crew to address this were unsuccessful. The aircraft could not take off in this unsafe condition so the crew elected to return to the terminal and have the two passengers disembarked. An aviation safety expert told the BBC that the Port Air Line crew were protecting the safety of the passengers, blah, blah, blah. Unrestrained children can become projectiles. That is true. Yeah, similar to unrestrained items of luggage, which can fly into passengers in the event of turbulence, especially during takeoff and landing. Now, the incident has led to debate online over how tolerant airlines should be to travelling families and how strictly parents should have to enforce airline rules.

52:59Anna Williamson:Some have said it was an example of what happens when parents are too gentle on their children. I agree. Well, we don't actually know. with you but we don't know how exactly so i'm being fair how old was the child and what did they have any special needs special needs exactly i think we have to really take into play the context of this because someone said we've all been those parents you and i have been those parents lou um but i also i would suck a punch my kid to make it sit down i basically i would restrain my child refused to wear her seatbelt i'm like you know karate chopping that stomach so they have to sit down and then put in the seatbelt on.

53:35But if it's a child like the previous message we've just got, that is a very different situation. So we'll just caveat this whole news story with that. Yeah, I would.

53:46Anna Williamson:I would. They said here the child kept hiding under their seat and if they got forced into being strapped in, they just sort of slid out underneath. Now, many people have questioned why the whole flight had to be disruptive for one child and said that the family had to be removed. I think, look, being really fair to this situation, look, if I got off boarded because someone's kid didn't sit in their seatbelt and I missed my flight, I'd be absolutely fuming. No, but I'd be fuming. I'd be absolutely fuming. If it was my kid though, I'd be mortified. But I'm going to, oh, you would be. But on the flip side, as you say, it's a really interesting one.

54:22Anna Williamson:I mean, we've all been in those situations, well, I know I have with my kids where, yeah, they've gone through, typically around that 18 months old, two years old. I don't know how old this child was, where they have simply refused to put on the, you know, the adjoining seatbelt, you know, to you and to the mom. And yeah, we've had a couple of scenarios when they were younger. And we used to fly quite a lot with them when they were babies. And it was awful. It was mortifying, as you say. So I think on the flip side, I have a lot of empathy for parents and flying because it's really hard when you are flying with your kids, when you are doing your best.

54:55Anna Williamson:Because kids are not robots. You can't control them. They are just human beings that would do what the hell they want to do, whether we like it or not. And it is really difficult. And as you say, to your point, I have had to, and I've had some quite strict cabin crews saying to me, she needs to be strapped in and it's kicking off. But as you say, I have then safely and but firmly, you know, restrained her with my arms, with my arms. I've held her in the seat and she's had the whisper shout from me. The whisper shout. And she's had every single possible snack treat and bribery that I can get away with to get her to sit down and behave before we get up in the air.

55:32Anna Williamson:So it is a horrible experience. But if I was responsible for a whole flight being stopped, I'd also feel awful. So I think it's quite extreme. I don't know if they then charged you for that flight. How pissed you'd be. But then what do you do? I do think that parents are too gentle though nowadays. I just do. I just think that it's, you know, we see this all the time with teachers at school. You know, it's like, it's such, teachers at school have these massive challenges with children because the fucking parents never side with the teachers. And, oh, little Bobby's perfect. No, little Bobby is an arsehole.

56:08And actually, if you treated little Bobby like the arsehole he was, he wouldn't be such an arsehole. But, you know, teachers are saying to parents, oh, you know, I'm having these issues and that issues. And they're like, well, why are you being mean to little Bobby? No, it's just bullshit, okay? It's so annoying. I've had this, you know, this was a massive issue in the kids' school here in England. This mum with a few kids, you know, the sun shines out these kids' arses. The kids are horrible. They're bullying everyone, left, right and centre. And every time the school tries to do something about it, the mum goes in and fucking complains that the school are disciplining the children.

56:47Where is the message in that? Yeah, no, exactly. And that is just common. if the school are ringing me telling me that my children are doing something and they're not happy with their behavior you bet your bottom dollar that that child is is then being like punished at home and that there's repercussions at home I'm not going to go to the school and say why are you singling out my child she's not done this she's not done that like this is the problem with parents nowadays and again then it then it spills over into situations like this and the kids think they rule the ruse and they bloody don't rule the ruse they're to sit down and do what they're told like that is just it because if you don't if you don't have that foundation in a situation where there is like a risk and it's dangerous i.e this situation where they won't put a seatbelt on because they will become a human missile you know where is the discipline nowadays everyone's so bloody soft with their kids all this gentle parenting bollocks i'm sorry but it just but

57:48Anna Williamson:But then in this case, do we know, do we, there hasn't been any information on how much the parent did try. I mean, as you say, I suppose, what do you do in that situation? But it's not even about in that situation as a single time. It's about why the child feels it's empowered enough to disobey its parents. It's not about an isolated situation. But how old was the child? But I think, no, I agree with you, but I think there are some ages of children. Again, I'm just playing devil's advocate. because I'm with you. Yeah, bloody hell, if all my kids at six and nine didn't behave themselves on a plane, well, they would because they just would because that's exactly, there are consequences for their behaviour.

58:29But equally, I don't know.

58:31Anna Williamson:I think in this case, what I find really interesting is in this case, in this scenario, because we don't have enough context. Like if this was an 18-month-old child that I don't know how to... I think it was the same thing. Can you find out, Em? Well, the child was small enough to crawl underneath the chair so size wise it's going to be quite small it's in its own seat though so that would be two and above wouldn't it look i just always relate this to how i have seen kids in africa at three years old fucking getting water for their family like the problem with the western world is that we modicoddle and baby our children so much and we don't enable them to do as much as they actually can do.

59:14Like when you look worldwide at what children achieve at different ages, we are quite backwards, right? We just are, you know, you've got fucking kids in China that are like bloody piano prodigies at like three years old. We just are very, very babyish with our children. We are. And we're too soft. That's what I think anyway. People can hate me for it, but I actually don't care. But it's an opinion and we welcome all of those. I say that. Clemy had a massive tantrum on the Jet 2 flight, by the way, out there. Oh, did she? Why? Yeah, her and Indy just had an argument about a pen. It's always about something absolutely pointless.

59:50She was, like, crying, and I was like, shut up crying.

59:53Anna Williamson:You are too old for me. I know, it's too old for the tantruming. I just think it's just really hard. I think it's really hard, as you say, and I'm with you. I'm a strict parent. I expect behaviour from my children. But at the end of the day, sometimes there are just moments where you are completely at your wits end and go, I just don't know what else to do. So I think there's such a continuum. I do agree with that. But I do think that when you get to this situation, it's because you don't have a foundation of discipline. Like you don't have a child that is respectful and listens to what they're told at home.

1:00:32And, you know, that starts with, for instance, sit at the table and eat your food, put your own shoes on before we go out the door you you don't go from having a child that's respectful and listens to then suddenly doing this in that moment it's it's a build-up of non-discipline and do you know what i mean like it's not just it wouldn't just be an isolated incident it's a total lack of respect for doing what they're asked to do essentially it's a nightmare uh right wealthy woman bankrolls her own drama series so she can star in it just so she can kiss the male lead.

1:01:09Anna Williamson:Stop. This is absolutely brilliant. So Chong Jufai is an up-and-coming Chinese short drama actor and she took to social media to speak about Nightmare. No, he. Sorry, he. Sorry, my apologies. I have misgendered you. He experienced on the set of a production that was supposed to be his big break. The 23-year-old actor was allegedly constantly harassed on set by his co-star, who just happened to be the sole investor in the project. the wealthy woman reportedly set two main conditions for bankrolling the 50 episode short drama series this is brilliant she this is the shit that we do we put ourselves on stage because we want to do it we can hard relate to this if we can't do it ourselves yeah come along that'll do we'll pay for it she had to play the lead female role and she had the final say on the script this is so luana this gave her free reign over production because she could always pull the plug on the whole thing.

1:02:02Anna Williamson:No one dared argue with her. So no matter how absurd her decisions were, for example, the script that she greenlit featured over 60 kissing scenes and no matter how many times the director and other members of the film crew tried to tell her that the unusually high number of smooching scenes risked disrupting the rhythm of the plot and making the audience lose immersion, she never listened. She just wanted to snog this guy. She just wanted to snog, babes. She just wanted to have a hot snog and pay for it. She said, I've seen more short dramas than you've ever made, she allegedly said, ignoring the advice.

1:02:31Anna Williamson:The 23-year-old actor, who was selected to pay the male leave, was said that he was shocked and he felt his co-star, French, kissed him during the first of many romantic scenes. He instinctively tried backing away, but she allegedly grabbed the back of his head with one hand and held him there. And that is actual... She forcibly kissed him. I mean, it's harassment. That's not great. It's harassment, isn't it? Yes, it is. But she basically sexually assaulted him under the guise of acting. Of acting, yeah. That is how she got round molesting this poor young guy. Then I'm paying for it. We're just acting.

1:03:11It's script. But it's in the scripts. It's in the scripts. So my tongue is now going to go in your throat, okay? This is acting. Do you know what? And he thought this was his big break.

1:03:21Anna Williamson:His big moment. Oh, bless. Do you know what? I wonder what would happen. Because I don't know if I ever talked about this. Probably have. my one time I did an acting role for um the tv series lock stock and two smoking barrels like right when I was like 19 and I was cast and I had to snog one of the leads um and he was really hot right he was like he was really hot did you put your tongue in yeah and I remember we had like a little moment they were like um it's a kissing scene are you okay with that and I because when I was cast to do it I was I would like blink and you miss at the scene but I was like and they it's a kissing scene and I was thinking I am right fit hot Italian stallion he was married to Melanie Sykes at the time so but I remember beforehand they were like he was he chatted he was like I just want to check you're okay with the scene and he was like what kind of kiss do you feel comfortable with and I was like what kind of do you thinking he went well I you know I'm a method actor exactly he was like I'm a method actor so I go fully in and I was like yeah me too yeah I'm a method actor I go fully in too yeah What did I bloody know?

1:04:25Anna Williamson:Anyway, I need to dig out this scene and show it to you. Cut to the scene that made the cut. It was me pushed up against a wall and had a full-on snog and we had to shoot it three times. I got stubble rash and everything and it was so good. Well, unfortunately, this short drama series never went anywhere because due to the unusually high number of kissing scenes, the series was rejected by the platform it was supposed to stream on. So it was just rejected outright. It was too explicit, too much kissing, which violated regulations. So that was that. Cancelled. Literally cancelled. But she did get her snogs, so there we go.

1:05:09Anna Williamson:She got 60 snogs out of it. She did indeed. That's mental, isn't it? It's mental. It's a little bit weird, which brings us beautifully onto. It's time for... It's the widow of the week. car. Beautiful. Right. Weird of the week. Tash is nominating her twin sister Chelsea. Hi Luana, obsessed with the pod. I will let you have the name obsessed there, the word obsessed. I want to put my twin forward for weirdo. My twin asks me to preserve her boyfriend's scabs. Okay, that's weird. Her boyfriend fell off his bike. How old is he? Five. And had deep cuts and scabbed over when it was safe to do so she asked him to remove the scab and wrap them in kitchen roll she then presented them to me and asked if I'd preserve them in resin for her she's my twin and I love her so much so yeah I did it I felt sick as I did it though uh so I placed the scabs in resin I didn't even know you could do this uh and for now she has them hanging in her car wow oh no here's a photo you can enjoy is this mental oh this is a good candidate for word of the week I think so Chelsea from Ipswich Look at the picture Tash from Ipswich Oh please She has a key ring of her resined scab Oh why would you want that?

1:06:31Anna Williamson:That is so weird That is that is actually just there's no other word than weird Yeah than weird It's the definition of weird If you look up in the dictionary it's this It's this Scabs in resin Right I don't think this can be beaten but let's see what Sammy has to say Hi Luanamo I'm with you Lu contender for word of the week. Every time I eat a fruit or healthy food, I Google to see what the benefits of eating it are. It's like a little knowledge reward for healthy eating. Not that I don't normally, but just that extra reassurance that I'm eating healthy nutritional food. For example, today, cherries.

1:07:08Did you know they reduce inflammation, produce a healthy heart, accelerate exercise recovery they promote better sleep nothing too crazy but I thought it occurred to me it might be a bit of an odd habit you don't need to keep me numb Sammy from Grimsby well I think the clear winner is the scab in the resin to do with Sammy it really is it was hard to put anything up

1:07:32Anna Williamson:against old Tash Kelsey there I do like that though I might start doing that I bet it gives you a real boost after eating something and you look it up and you think yeah I'm now feeling like my heart is pumping hard I'm going to sleep well tonight yeah like when you do on My Fitness Pal I think old Scabby Tash for the win Scabby Tash yes Scabby Tash for the win you're the weirdo of the week probably the month at this rate probably the year when we get to December yeah you know it you know it it's up there Lulu you had a mini rant but would you like another rant we are wrapping up the episode no I'm not because I'm going to play paddle actually so there you are you're wearing a very cute paddle outfit i'm i'm gonna continue my hangover with me with my masseuse and get it all massaged out go and get a massage drink a lot of water get them to do a lymphatic one though and that's what i need i need oh my god i had the best lymphatic massage when i was in san tropez and i looked slimmer afterwards it was that good so nat had one too and we were all like oh my god we're so got no cellulite now and we're so skinny sucked it out sucked it all out like a sausage i could do with that i'm just one massive vat of i don't even know what i had the top shelf of of hell in the in the bar um that is it guys um thanks for listening thanks for joining in don't worry we're back on monday uh and of course thursday it's your episode it's luanna totally extra but we can't do that without you we need you please send in your emails everything to contribute to that it's Luana at everythingluana.com also if you are receiving particularly if you are an influencer and if you're receiving an email from an at gmail account claiming to be Luana it is not us we keep getting so many scammers we're very sorry but we don't feature anyone on our podcast except us even Bonnie Blue who recently wanted to come on we've said no to.

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On this week's LuAnna: We’re obsesssssed with the Lindsay Clancey case and can’t wait to do a deep dive for you. We’re chatting parenting following the Canadian flight that got cancelled because a kid wouldn’t wear a seat belt and a listener at odds with her partner over how to bring up their child and to top that all off, a strong contender for weirdo of the year.

Plus, Anna's on day 3 of a hangover after passing out naked on her bathroom floor, and she's not drinking again until Celine Dion. Lu rates Jet2 an 8.5, everyone's itching for school to restart and find out the slightly disturbing reason that a Chinese woman bankrolled a tv show.

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