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Podcast Episode Summary: Marketing School - How OpenClaw Creates 100k view X Articles
Episode Overview In this episode of Marketing School, hosts Neil Patel and Eric Siu discuss how OpenAI-powered tools, particularly OpenClaw, are generating over 100,000 views for articles on X (formerly Twitter). They explore the implications of AI tools for enterprise marketing strategies, focusing on revenue generation, cost-cutting, and the nuances of content creation. Key topics include "vibe coding," AI-driven content repurposing, and the limitations of "how-to" content in driving sales.
Key Takeaways
- AI's Role in Business: AI should primarily focus on revenue growth rather than just cutting costs.
- Vibe Coding vs. Traditional SaaS: Utilizing vibe coding techniques can be more beneficial than attempting to rebuild traditional SaaS tools.
- Content Strategy: How-to content may attract traffic but often fails to convert into sales.
Detailed Chapter Summary
(00:00) OpenAI Content Experiment
- Introduction to how OpenClaw is used to create content that garners significant attention on X.
(02:12) AI Revenue vs Traffic
- Discussion on the distinction between using AI for revenue generation versus merely driving traffic.
- Emphasis on the need for businesses to optimize for top-line growth rather than solely focusing on cost reduction.
(04:00) Enterprise AI Strategy
- Insight into how large companies are strategizing around AI adoption, often with a focus on securing revenue growth.
- Mention of how AI tools are perceived as essential for staying competitive.
(08:44) Cost Cutting vs Growth
- Debate on whether AI should be used to save costs or to enhance growth opportunities.
- Neil provides examples from corporate settings where leadership is misplacing focus on cost savings instead of growth strategies.
(12:48) OpenAI Trends & Adoption
- Current trends in AI adoption among major enterprises, including the types of questions leadership is asking regarding AI's impact on profitability.
- Discussion on OpenClaw's rising popularity and potential acquisition interest from larger tech companies.
(16:08) AI Impact on Marketing
- Final thoughts on the transformative potential of AI in marketing, with a focus on how it’s reshaping content marketing strategies.
- Discussion of the challenges in measuring the direct impact of AI-driven content on revenue growth.
Important Concepts Discussed
- Vibe Coding: A new approach that emphasizes the use of AI to create tailored corporate tools instead of rebuilding existing SaaS platforms.
- Content Repurposing: Leveraging AI to reformat and repurpose existing content to maximize reach and engagement.
- Revenue Generation vs. Cost-Cutting: The critical debate on whether enterprises should focus on maximizing revenue through innovative strategies rather than merely reducing expenses.
Conclusion This episode provides valuable insights into the current landscape of AI in digital marketing, emphasizing the importance of leveraging AI tools for revenue growth, the effectiveness of vibe coding, and the evolution of content strategies in an ever-changing digital environment. Neil and Eric stress the relevance of focusing on top-line expansion to ensure sustainable success.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction to OpenClaw
0:36 to 2:30
Learn about OpenClaw's approach to generating high-engagement articles.
“is like dating someone who only texts emojis.”
How OpenClaw Works
2:30 to 4:15
Explore the mechanics behind OpenClaw's article writing and view counts.
“All right, so Neil, you want to see something cool?”
Marketing Insights and Event Experiences
4:15 to 6:00
Gain insights from a marketing event and discussions on AI's role in revenue generation.
“Basically, there's a content repurposer skill so it knows how I write, okay?”
Corporate Perception on AI and Marketing
6:00 to 8:10
Understand corporate perspectives on AI, revenue growth, and marketing strategies.
“were all publicly traded all right so when i look at like the questions they ask me they'll ask me questions like what's the biggest mistake we're making with ai and not thinking about yet?”
Financial Focus in Corporations
8:10 to 10:10
Examine the financial priorities of corporations and their focus on revenue over savings.
“It tends to be more, not mid-level, more junior level than anything else.”
Discussion on OpenClaw and Business Growth
10:10 to 14:00
Delve deeper into OpenClaw's impact on business marketing and growth strategies.
“And majority of it, at least in marketing, is not related to using the tools.”
Analyzing OpenClaw's Financial Situation
14:00 to 14:48
Discussion on OpenClaw's revenue growth and profit margins.
“eight figures, like sub 50 million on call it four plus billion in revenue.”
OpenClaw's Rapid Rise and Potential Acquisition
14:49 to 15:12
Exploration of OpenClaw's unexpected success and acquisition interest.
“so I want to come back to the OpenClaw thing for a little bit because I've titled this this way.”
Using OpenClaw for Growth in Marketing
15:13 to 16:33
Insights on how OpenClaw can enhance marketing strategies.
“Like literally this thing came out from nowhere and then boom, right?”
Challenges of Generating Revenue with New Tech
16:34 to 17:58
Understanding the difficulties in linking new technologies to revenue generation.
“And I think if I get it like 30 days, 60 days or so, I think it's just cranking, right?”
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The Future of Jobs in the Age of AI
17:59 to 20:24
Discussion on the impact of AI technologies on the job market.
“I think we'll get a much better understanding of how to use a lot of this technology to impact our bottom line within 12 months to 24 months.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Did you know that most businesses only use 20 % of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out or paying for coffee that's one fifth full. Point is, you miss a lot unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts. All that unstructured data that makes all the difference because when you know more, you grow more. And when you get a full cup of coffee, you can do more too, but I digress. Visit HubSpot.com today.
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2:07Cutting your sales cycle in half sounds pretty impossible, but that's exactly what Sandler Training did with HubSpot. They used Breeze, HubSpot's AI tools, to tailor every customer interaction without losing their personal touch. And the results were pretty incredible. Click-through rates jumped 25%, qualified leads quadrupled, and people spent three times longer on their landing pages. Go to HubSpot.com to see how Breeze can help your business grow. All right, so Neil, you want to see something cool? I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you how OpenClaw is literally writing me articles right now on X, and it's averaging about 100 ,000 views per post.
2:43You want to see it? Let's do it. Okay, here we go. So check this out. Wait, but before you show me, I bet you none of them are marketing related if they're getting 100 ,000 views. I hope I'm wrong. Well, this one's revenue related. OpenClaw for business setup. That scales revenue. 85 ,000 views. Check this one out over here. So ordering your food with open call is cute, but making money with it is better. Okay. So in this one, I'm going to talk about how my system works under the hood. If you want some open call business use case example, the original post is here. So it just goes through and I have these like diagrams because diagrams make it seem like it's well-researched and all this stuff.
3:19So look, this setup and all this stuff, right? Here's a cron job, whatever. Right. But my point is, you look at this one, like 85 ,000 views. Okay. This one, 86 ,000 views. By the way, look at my little plush doll over here. This is me in the computer, my little plush doll, my lobster. This is you riding a lobster over here. 101 ,000 views. Look, I made some plush toys. Your daughter would like this. They gave me an open claw agent's one shared brain. They stopped being stupid. Yeah. And then I run 30 open claw jobs a day. This is what actually makes them profitable. Because not a lot of people are talking about how they make money right now with this.
3:51So this was 68 ,000 views I threw up yesterday. You know what's interesting, Neil? I did the original AI version yesterday where I just threw it up with the title I chose and only got one like in the first hour. So I just changed the title and I republished it and it took off. So this reminds me, I wasn't using open... How about you first finish on how you're using OpenClaw to do this? And then I'll go into my experience. So I'm using OpenClaw to... Basically, there's a content repurposer skill so it knows how I write, okay? So I just kind of dictate to it. It pulls from that skill. and literally I just go to my open clock because I work with it all the time and it knows what my goals are.
4:28It knows my working style and all that. I'm like, hey, what's the most interesting thing we've worked on in the last 24 hours? It'll give me a bunch of ideas. And I'm like, this one sounds good. Use the content repurposer for X for that. Boom, right? And then that's basically it. Yeah. No, this is really cool stuff. So this reminds me of the early days of chat GPT, you know, when people were talking about prompts, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to give them like marketing prompts and what it would do well on content and doing keyword research and for SEO and all that kind of stuff. Got tons of views on X.
5:04The hard part with content like that, that at least I've always faced, it's very tough for me to generate revenue from those pieces of content. Yeah. So I tend not to spend too much time on them. Like I'm in Mexico City right now. So we had, as I mentioned to Eric in the past, we tend to hold our own events. And when I say our own events, it was a restaurant. They had a projector behind me, two on the side, depending on where people are sitting. It was upstairs, rooftop area with canopies coming down. So it was nice and not cold or anything like that. It was in the morning. Everyone had food. And we invited a lot of corporations.
5:45okay every single corporation there i think maybe 90 of the corporations there uh cmo vp levels for marketing and that was actually almost 100 but 80 to 90 of the corporations probably 90 plus percent were all publicly traded all right so when i look at like the questions they ask me they'll ask me questions like what's the biggest mistake we're making with ai and not thinking about yet? Or there's all this new technology and security issues and people are worried about software and employment and all this kind of stuff because some of these people are and teams. How should we structure our teams going forward?
6:28Or they'll ask questions and this is where more of the focus is on. We're all using AI and we have been for years. How do we generate more positive revenue or see efficiencies where we're actually increasing our profit. But majority of it is not really profit related. It's more so revenue related because if you can grow your top line, when you're that large, saving a million or 2 million or 3 million or 4 million doesn't make a difference when you're a corporation doing like 10 billion a year in revenue. People want you to grow your top line more than saving a few million bucks. I'm assuming you agree with that as well, especially in the public markets.
7:08So here's what I'll say. So here's the thing. With these articles, I looked at who joined the live streams and the recent webinars we've done. You have AT &T, somewhat legit company, right? That is a very legit company. And so you have people from, I'm looking at some other companies too. 1Password, they're not as big, but they're a significant company, right? 1Password's big? Yeah. So they're coming through to these because they don't know what to do and they're scared. There's a lot of fear with this right now, right? And so I will say that I was kind of like when I wrote these same, I had the same kind of inkling that you had where it's like, it was probably not going to generate any revenue.
7:44But I'm looking at the people coming through. I'm looking at the people responding. I'm looking at the people adding me, especially on Twitter, because you can see who's adding you, right? I'm like, oh, it's like legit people adding. And so I'm like, I'm just going to keep doing this because one, I enjoy what I'm doing right now. And plus, I can easily tie it in with marketing and business. The thing, you know, I'm getting texts every single day right now. My friend's like, dude, I just went to the Apple store to try to buy a Mac Mini. they're sold out right now because everyone's doing it for open claw right um and everyone's how do i set this up i talked to um bernard from clear scope a couple hours ago um and he's like dude i i get what you mean now i got it set up on sunday he showed me all the crap he was building he's like it's over man it's like it's so over he's like it's so over for software it's over like what are you doing right now so everyone's like trying to trade notes it's almost like uh i don't know when's the last time something really cool came out like chat gpt i guess so so this is like one of those moments yeah but okay so you got at &t to sign up are these c-level or vp levels from these organizations yeah all of them yeah no there's no way i'm not gonna say all of them i'm not saying all of them i'm saying you have you they're all they're either senior director or above that's what i'll say got it okay but most of corporations see because we've tested content like this from even some of our employee accounts, we find that the type of articles that you're producing, they do generate traffic.
9:02It tends to be more, not mid-level, more junior level than anything else. Yeah. So that's a good point. So what Neil's bringing up, and I don't know if you're referring to this, but the thing you bring up here is, especially my YouTube now, my YouTube is finally in good graces because I'm covering a trending topic, right? Like I'm like, God, it took forever to struggle out of this, but I don't really cover how to, it bothers a lot of people. They're like, dude, show us how to do it. I'm like, I ain't going to show you how to do it. You know why? Because it does drive leads. You get the tire kickers and the DIY people.
9:30We used to do that all the time. Neil used to create how-to. And we thought we're doing all this good for the world. And I went to Perplexity. I was like, hey, show me the research behind this. If you make a bunch of how-to content versus just showing people what you're doing right now. And then Perplexity is like, yeah, it's been proven that the how-to stuff doesn't generate revenue. If you show, like Neil does this a lot, like charts or what you're doing, which is what I'm doing right now, that gets people interested. And so I will say I was initially skeptical, Neil, but it's moving in the right direction for us, at least.
10:02So I want to cover something that you just mentioned. And actually, before I cover that, going back to the AI topic really quickly, when we meet with most corporations, they're trying to figure out how to generate more revenue through AI. And majority of it, at least in marketing, is not related to using the tools. it's being mentioned by the LLUps. That's the biggest use case by far that they're all looking for because when they look at their data, it's proven to drive revenue. Maybe it's small and maybe it's not as big enough or maybe their competitors are doing better for it. But that's the biggest thing we see that large corporations want.
10:40The other stuff is a little bit of a nuance. And that goes into what you were just saying about like building it. I know you mentioned you were texting someone. So I was at an event a few days ago in Texas. I won't mention the company name,$4 billion a year in revenue plus. That's a good size revenue company publicly traded. I don't know what their profit numbers are. I haven't looked them up, but they are public. And the CEO, he's very tech-enabled. They have a lot of devs. He's like, I don't want to end up paying$1 million,$2 million for Salesforce anymore. I'm just going to code it. And I'm like, there's going to be a lot of bugs.
11:17He's like, no, we'll fix it. It's fine. He's like, I don't want to pay for Slack anymore. I'm just going to end up cutting it off. So he's easily breaking down maybe like$5,$10 million of money that he'll save. Now, of course, there's going to be some server costs and employment costs. So maybe the$5,$10 million turns to$4 to$8 million in savings, whatever the number is. And I'm looking at him and I'm having a discussion with him. And I'm not saying AI can or can't do this. If you put enough resources, you definitely can figure out how to end up trying to build your own Salesforce. But I'm like, this is a terrible use of time.
11:53If you're a CEO of a company that's publicly traded doing billions and billions of dollars in revenue a year, why are you focused on saving less than$10 million when you should be figuring out how to grow from$4 billion in revenue to$5 or$6 billion in revenue? And for me, if I was a shareholder, I'd be really pissed. I'm like, this is the wrong thing that you're focusing on. Yes, is Salesforce expensive at a million dollars? but percentage of revenue, that is a really small amount of money that they're spending on Salesforce. Yeah, so get this. So you'll like this. And by the way, my title for this live stream on Twitter, I'm looking at right now, it says how open call levels up your marketing.
12:29So we have to talk about open call the whole time. But anyway, so this guy, Anish Achara, that's one of your people, right? Anish Achara? Acharya? You see he's Indian? Yeah, he sounds Indian. So he's a partner at Andreessen Horowitz. He's investing in AI apps at Andreessen Horowitz. He's Anish Achara, I think. So Harry Stebbings from 20VC tweets this. So is SaaS dead? Will we vibe code everything? If you look at SaaS spend today, it's 8 % to 12 % of enterprise spend, okay? Even if you vibe coded your ERP and your payroll with all of the kind of risks and dangers that entails, you're going to save 8 % to 12%.
13:06You have this innovation bazooka with these models. Why would you point it at rebuilding payroll or ERP or CRM? you're going to take it and use it to extend your core advantage as a business or you're going to take it and optimize the other 90 % that you're not spending on software today so the point is like I think there's the best point over here if you have such power with these models and such resources why the hell would you spend your time rebuilding these CRMs or these ERPs or these payroll providers that's the real point dude I'm with you and I look at some of these people who are trying to make this play.
13:41And I just think it's the silliest play. I'm like, why don't you try to grow your revenue 20, 30, 40%. And by the way, that company, while I'm looking up their stock, and their profit is in the eight figures. It's not even high eight figures. So when I say eight figures, like sub 50 million on call it four plus billion in revenue. There you go. I'm pulling up the wrong stock. All right. Now I got the right one. So their profit is a small margin. Okay. So it's not much. And their revenue growth is 6 % a year, sometimes negative on a good year. it was like 20 % during the COVID booms, but like, let's call it 5, 6 % a year that they're growing at.
14:34If I look at it quarterly right now, it's sub 10%, it's definitely closer to 5-ish percent. Why the heck would you focus on saving a few million bucks instead of solving the bigger problem, which is how do you grow your top line? Yeah. By the way, you want to, so I want to come back to the OpenClaw thing for a little bit because I've titled this this way. So I listened to Lex Friedman talk to the founder of OpenClaw today. I think his name is Peter Steinberg or Steinberger. So get this. So OpenClaw, you know, it's been taking off right now. It's trending really well on Google Trends. So apparently, I think OpenAI and Meta have made offers to him.
15:09And that's why I think he's in the SF area right now. But isn't it crazy? Like literally this thing came out from nowhere and then boom, right? Like it's, I think he talked to Sam Altman about, hey, is it okay if I have OpenClaw because Anthropic wasn't okay with the Claw name, right? Because it was called Clawbot before. So I think, you know, it looks like he's probably going to sell it. And then who knows? I do think it'd be cool if Meta bought it because they have open source models and they just bought Mattis. And so I could really see Meta buying it. Yeah. Just as a quick disclaimer, do not run it on your main PC or Mac or whatever you use for all your other stuff.
15:44Run it on a separate issue. Let's talk about that real quick. Let's talk about that real quick. Yeah. So I literally have a Mac mini here and it has its own Apple. It has its own Apple ID, its own Gmail. It has its own one password vault. It's really secure. And I don't let it post autonomously. So if we want to talk about using OpenCloud to grow your marketing, earlier I showed you, yes, you can get these articles done. Like, you know, X articles is giving me more reach right now. But I don't let it YOLO, meaning I don't let it just post whatever it wants to post. Like, it gives me a lot of repurposing ideas.
16:14By the way, Neil, it's connected to my granola. It's connected to all of my, it ingests all of our content and keeps coming up with repurposing angles. And then it writes it natively for other channels. So I can easily hand that over to a social media manager plug it into Slack if I wanted to. Right now, I just have it in an isolated telegram where I'm just messing with it. I think I spent 10 days on it. And I think if I get it like 30 days, 60 days or so, I think it's just cranking, right? I think it's just really, it's really next level. And I did a live stream this morning. I was like, hey guys, I pulled up this screen.
16:46Check this out, Neil. So everyone's like, let me show you my screen over here. So this is my open claw coded, my vibe coded dashboard over here. So Neil, can you see this? Yeah. Okay. So I'm like, okay, guys, I got this mission control over here. It shows me the recurring tasks that are happening every day. Here's the team over here. Here's the tasks that are queued. Here's the skills that we have. Here's what's happening with marketing. Here's the things to review. Here's a live feed. Everyone's like, oh, my God, oh, my God. Like, is this available? Where can I get this? Where can I get this?
17:15I'm like, guys. You can just do it in Trello. You know what I did? Neil, I took a screenshot of someone else's mission control. I just dragged it into my open claw. I was like, okay, based on all my goals and based on everything I want to do, let's make this for my sake right so guys you can code this up in your sleep right and this by the way this dashboard is not a fake dashboard this is a real dashboard this is live in production i get this every single morning and i can see what the heck is going on because when you can vibe code anything you want you start to forget right and that's really important so yeah the the big thing that i'm seeing is people are using a lot of this stuff and the hardest part is figuring out how to generate more revenue and profit from it because more output and more action doesn't necessarily gain more profit.
17:57The thing I've been telling companies is it's in its very early days in infancy. I think we'll get a much better understanding of how to use a lot of this technology to impact our bottom line within 12 months to 24 months. I know that sounds like a long time, but it really isn't that long. I'll bet you it's a lot faster than that. What size company are you talking about? I mean, let's start it. Sure. Right. But I'm talking about like established organizations. It's hard for established organizations. What do you mean by established organizations? Minimum nine figures in revenue a year. I think, okay.
18:32So there's a wide range, right? Nine figures to like 10 figures, 11 figures. Like what, do we just want to focus on nine figures? No, no, nine figures plus. Like established organizations doing at least$100 million in revenue a year. And they're using this specifically for marketing. I'm not talking about other departments, right? Yeah. For marketing, it's not that you can't get more action and output, it's hard to necessarily know which activities is going to directly impact your bottom line. Because a lot of the stuff that it works on, like things like content creation, or if you want to end up vibe coding some stuff, that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to impact or generate more revenue.
19:10So this thing's booking meetings for us right now. Yeah, but how many of those book meetings are closing? It just started doing it. So here's the thing, right? Whether it's the idea I got from you for manufacturing deals or reviving or like looking at stalled deals. It's moving and it's coming up with different angles, right? And these angles are pretty good. So it's actually like we haven't, like it's giving like a deal a day right now because I'm still testing a bunch of different things at once. But once I hand it off and the sales team wants to jack it up to a lot more, it'll do that. But it's working in small spurts right now.
19:41So my take on this is if we're talking nine figure companies, I'd say, you know, six months out max, right? Because here's the thing, We have one mutual friend and then I have actually another friend. They're both at nine figures, right? One of our mutual friends sent me a text the other day. I'm cutting 600 people. And then another friend actually I played tennis with on Saturday. He's like, oh, I cut half my staff, right? And so it's not all related to OpenClaw. I don't want to make it seem like that. But I just think like I looked at the Microsoft AI CEO recently. He's like, dude, like you look at all these white collar jobs.
20:15Like I think you saw this too. in the next, I think he said, what, nine, 12 months or something like that, or 18 months max, like all these jobs are done, right? And so like when I talked to Bernard today, actually, I'll leave this a little more in confidence, but we're just like, dude, like what happens to most people, right? All right, see you guys, goodbye.
From the publisher
This episode of Marketing School with Neil and Eric breaks down how OpenAI-powered tools are driving 100,000+ X views, booking meetings, and reshaping enterprise marketing strategy. Neil and Eric debate AI for revenue growth vs cost cutting, why SaaS savings are a distraction, and how large companies should think about topline expansion. They also unpack vibe coding, AI content repurposing, and why how-to content rarely converts. Hosted by Neil and Eric.
Key Takeaways:
AI should grow revenue, not just cut costs.
Vibe coding beats rebuilding SaaS tools.
How-to content drives traffic, not sales.
Chapters:
(00:00) OpenAI Content Experiment
(02:12) AI Revenue vs Traffic
(04:00) Enterprise AI Strategy
(08:44) Cost Cutting vs Growth
(12:48) OpenAI Trends & Adoption
(16:08) AI Impact on Marketing
