McDonald's & Taco Bell show where the economy is really at, and The genius of Bryan Johnson's marketing

3 Jun 2024 · 21 min

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Marketing School Episode Notes: McDonald's & Taco Bell Show Where the Economy Is Really At, and The Genius of Bryan Johnson's Marketing

Podcast Overview Hosts: Neil Patel and Eric Siu Episode: #2749 Topics Covered: Inflation, fast food price increases, consumer behavior, marketing strategies, dental experiences, credit card benefits, health and wellness, celebrity movements, money-making stress, and longevity.

Key Takeaways

  1. Economic Indicators through Fast Food Pricing
  2. Inflation Impact on Fast Food Prices:
  3. McDonald's Price Increases:
  4. Big Mac: From $3.99 (2019) to $7.49 (mid-2024) - 87% increase
  5. Medium Fries: From $1.79 (2019) to $3.15 (mid-2024) - 76% increase
  6. Cheeseburger: From $1.00 (2019) to $3.15 (mid-2024) - 215% increase
  7. Taco Bell Price Increases:
  8. Nachos Belgrande: From $3.29 (2019) to $5.89 (mid-2024) - 79% increase
  9. Overall Trend:
  10. McDonald's average increase across five items: 141%
  11. Taco Bell average increase across five items: 57%
  1. Consumer Behavior Insights
  2. Observations on how economic conditions affect consumer spending:
  3. Decline in sales for major franchises like McDonald's and Starbucks indicates tough economic times.
  4. Notable closures in local malls and significant discounts (30% to 60%) signal consumer hesitance to spend.
  1. Unique Marketing Strategies Observed
  2. Dental Experience Marketing:
  3. A dentist's marketing strategy included:
  4. Transparent pricing upfront ($4,600 for a cavity).
  5. Creative payment options (2 years 0% APR).
  6. Enhanced patient experience (massaging chairs, city views, ceiling TVs).
  7. Brian Johnson's Marketing Tactics:
  8. Focuses on the movement called "Don't Die," emphasizing health and longevity.
  9. Engages in polarizing marketing by critiquing competitors and sharing data on nutrition and health.
  10. Claims, "Making money is the most expensive thing you can do," suggesting that long-term vision trumps short-term profits.
  1. Bryan Johnson's Marketing Genius
  2. Innovative Content Strategy:
  3. Uses health and wellness as key themes, appealing to a broad adult audience.
  4. Engages with celebrity endorsements and public challenges to generate buzz.
  1. Long-term Business Philosophy
  2. Emphasizes building a community or “religion” around a brand rather than seeking immediate profits.
  3. Highlights the importance of stress management and health in the pursuit of business success and longevity.

Discussion Points

  • Economic Trends:
  • The economic climate can significantly influence consumer choices and behaviors, especially in the fast food industry.
  • Consumer Spending:
  • The data shows that consumers are becoming more selective due to financial strains, affecting sales across various sectors.
  • Marketing Techniques:
  • Creative and customer-focused marketing strategies can elevate a brand's reputation and enhance customer loyalty.
  • Health and Longevity as Marketing Themes:
  • The potential of health-focused narratives in marketing, especially in light of societal shifts towards wellness.

Conclusion This episode underscores the interconnection between marketing strategies and economic indicators, using fast food pricing as a lens to examine broader consumer behavior. It also highlights innovative marketing approaches from standout entrepreneurs like Bryan Johnson, offering insights into the balance of long-term growth versus immediate financial gain.

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0:00This message is brought to you by Single Grain. Single Grain is a marketing agency ran by yours truly. single grain does paid media, SEO, creative conversion rate optimization as worked with a handful of companies, just such as Uber, Amazon, Airbnb, Salesforce, to startups, venture backed startups, a lot of different companies. And ultimately our mission is to do innovative marketing that drives customers. If you want to learn more, just go to singlegrain.com. Again, it's single grain, grain like wheat, and we'll see you on the other side. Did you see the inflation, the McDonald's price inflation?

0:32No. Okay, so check this out. So I didn't have this on the docket for today, but now we're going to pull it up. So, okay. In 2019, end of 2019 price, medium fries at McDonald's. I even have Taco Bell numbers here. Guys, Taco Bell was Neil's favorite restaurant before. In fact, that's where I met Neil in person before, at a Taco Bell. So anyway, I digress. So McDonald's price increases. And to go back, Eric didn't meet me randomly at a Taco Bell. is because that's where he used to do my meetings. He's like, yeah, let's meet at Taco Bell. Anyway, so medium French fries,$1.79. McChicken,$1.29. Okay, the most important one, Big Mac,$3.99.

1:16Okay, mid-2024 price. Wait, okay, go back. Just to focus on Big Mac. Let's just go on one. Okay, and start with the year all over again. Okay, Big Mac, end of 2019,$3.99. Now, mid-2024 price, guess. Big Mac, one Big Mac. $5.29. $7.49. Wow. That's 87 % increase. Okay, pick one one. You want French fries, McChicken, 10 McNuggets. French fries. No, 10 McNuggets. Come on, 10 McNuggets. 10 McNuggets. All right, let's go for it. Okay, end of 2019 price,$4.49. Guess mid-2024 price. $8. Close. $7.58. So 68 % increase. Cheeseburger was the biggest one. Cheeseburger was$1 in 2019. Now it's$3.15. 215 % increase.

1:57One to the$1 meal. No. No, it's number$1. I think it's like a$5 menu now. Yeah. Okay. Taco Bell price. Let's do one more. What's your favorite thing on Taco Bell? Well, let's go back to McDonald's really quickly. Did I just, did you know when I was in Brazil last trip, I ate McDonald's? You did? First time in a long time. Why? Dude, we were going from Florianopolis to a farming village, which was like two hours away for another event. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was nothing that we can end up finding. And I had to go pee. So like, you know, I was with some of the guys on my Brazil team. Marine goes in the car, He's like, dude, you cannot eat McDonald's.

2:30And I had to pee so bad. And I thought it was like a 30-minute drive, not a two-hour drive, right? And after like 45 minutes, I'm like, guys, I need to go to a restroom. And I didn't tell them I need a restroom. I'm like, oh, McDonald's. Let's just stop there. So we ended up stopping there. I ended up going pee first. They're like, what do you want? I'm like, I don't know. I don't eat this stuff. I'm like, I just had to go to the bathroom. So then we order food. Dude, guess how long it took me to get food in the McDonald's? An hour? 30 minutes to just get the food out. It wasn't a big order. Got some chicken nuggets and ate some French fries.

3:05No joke. Their systems and processes, at least in the one that we stopped in in Brazil, was just so terrible. It was so broken. People just do random things and they move. So everyone was complaining in there. Not me, though. I wasn't really looking forward to eating McDonald's, so it didn't really matter. Was it good? No, it was not good. It tastes the same in the U.S., by the way, as it does in Brazil. and for me at least i'm not saying mcdonald's food is terrible i'm just saying i don't like the taste of it um but what was funny is you know their kiosk their digital kiosk was broken and they wouldn't take my order in the front and i'm like that's bad marketing and in brazil if you look at the mcdonald's they have different star ratings okay like online the ratings aren't based on the food quality.

3:53For a lot of the fast food places in Brazil, the ratings, like the online Yelp reviews or whatever Google reviews, is based on the service and how good they are at delivering the expected service to you. But it wasn't good because it took 30 minutes. Exactly. So that place that we stopped in had a one point something star. Oh, wow. So it's interesting. I learned a new marketing lesson. Not all star ratings for restaurants, depending the country you're in, is based off of the quality of the food or the dining experience. It's more so, were they happy with the service and did it come out at a time?

4:27I think that actually makes more sense because if it's just quality of the service, you would kind of put in the quality of the food there, right? You would assume that they kind of go hand in hand. So I think that's a harder rating, actually. But some McDonald's in Brazil are rated like four stars because they're on top of getting you food at a timely manner. I like that rating more. Okay, let's do one for Taco Bell. Okay, you can pick here. Beefy five-layer burrito, okay. Nachos Belgrande. Nachos Belgrande. Why? Why are your nachos Belgrande? Because I've had them. Okay. End of 2019 price,$3.29.

4:59What's mid-2024 price? $8. No, that's too high. $5.89. So 79 % increase. So basically, McDonald's average across five items, 141 % increase, okay? Average price increase across these five items for Taco Bell, 57%. So all that to say is, look, you know, times are tough still. And the good way of looking at how tough times are is when you look at McDonald's, when their sales are going down and when Starbucks sales are going down. Dude, I agree with you. And it was funny because CNBC had an article that they published the other day. The economy is tough depending on which CEO you talk to. Because there's some franchises, even for like fast food, that are doing somewhat well.

5:41Yep. I think Sweetgreen is one of them that's doing well. Twice in the last two days. It's a good deal too. And it's healthy. And some are struggling and are slowing down. Lowe's just put out earnings. Lowe's is doing, they beat expectations. Home Depot's struggling. But Lowe's and Home Depot are very similar businesses. Similar marketing strategies as well. So I mean, for us at least in the agency world, I think 2023 got tougher. I'd say that's tougher. We've been in two years of quote-unquote B2B recession. Now it seems like there might be a little eye or a little light at the tunnel, but still, we don't really know.

6:22It just depends on the industry that you're in, but I don't think the consumer is winning right now. I don't think the consumer is winning right now either. My childhood mall is in Arcadia. I walk by, there's so many stores that are closed. and then there's everything. You walk by stores, a lot of 30 % off, 50 % off, 60 % off. And it's just like, it doesn't seem like the consumer is trying to shop right now. Dude, I went to a dentist yesterday, all right? And they did something that was really clever marketing strategy. So I went to the dentist and my bill was$4 ,600. No joke,$4 ,600. For what?

6:57One cavity. How do you have cavities right now? First cavity I ever had in my whole life. How? I don't know. You eat a lot of sugar? No. What? It was at McDonald's in Brazil. The McDonald's in Brazil caused it. I'm joking. Probably not caused by that. But first cavity. And it was in between two of my teats. So they had to drill them down or whatever and put it in between. Very painful. But not actually that painful. They numbed me. So it wasn't bad. But I felt it after. Not really, but my mouth was just tired. Damn. And$4 ,600. Now, when I was signing the forms to paid, one they were just like we notified you in advance on the price because I'm like yeah I keep getting emails asking for this no this notification that it's going to be$4 ,600 to make sure you're okay with it and I'm like well I'm not really okay with it and I wanted to get the price down and the one lady's like you got a black card why are you worried about the price?

7:51and I'm like this is why I have a black card because I'm worried about spending money and I try to say this is how I make more money and only have the black card because Amex gives you 50 % off when you buy airline tickets using points, right? 50 % off is massive. Neil's the only person I know that's tried to justify the benefit of the black card. All my other black card friends are like, no, it's stupid. No, on the price of the points, so if your airline ticket is 20 ,000, if I book it with points, they'll give it to me for half off. They give you a 50 % rebate. Really? Yes. So if you book first class Emirates?

8:25Instead of 20, it ends up being 10 ,000. Oh, I didn't know that. Is that a new benefit? No, they've had it for a while. that's the only reason we've kept them oh we canceled we had four black cards in total and we're now how many millions of points do you have right now not that many i think we're only at five or six million left who uses them um family oh i don't use them myself anymore yeah i used to have like well over 10 million points but the point i was getting at is when i was paying the 4600 the way they get you is they say hey would you like two years zero percent apr i'm like huh i can amortize out the payments for two years time pay it over time no interest and i was open to that but then the moment because i can make money on my money until then yeah but the moment that i found out i had to fill out paperwork to get that i was like no no it's okay because it's a loan it's a loan but i didn't want to fill out the paperwork yeah um but interesting thing that they do in marketing that's creative is one, A, I think that's smart.

9:21Two, dude, have you ever been to a dentist when you sit down in the office, you have a view of a whole city. It's like I have a view of most of LA from their office. The third thing that they do is interesting is when you're on their chair, it's a massaging chair. And even when it puts you all the way down, it still massages you. And there's a TV above in the ceiling and you're looking up and you can watch whatever you want. Neil goes to rich dentists. I go to the Hello Kitty dentist in Temple City and I see Hello Kitty in my place and like little Sanrio characters. That's all I get. But don't you think that's amazing marketing for a dentist?

9:54I think it's great. I think that's how you get word of mouth because it's a story like the one you just told and you hear people like repeating these stories. And they're packed. They're literally booked. It takes weeks to get an appointment. And I'm like, what the heck at these prices? But in, you know, Beverly Hills, people pay them and there's a line out the door to go to. I still think it's a hard business because you have to be there. It is a hard business, but I bet you that business is very profitable based on the price you charge. And I think it's a great dentist practice overall. All right, everyone.

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10:51The good news is that there's no long-term commitment. So you can just learn more by going to marketingschool.io slash agency. Once again, that's marketingschool.io slash agency to learn more. And we hope to see you inside. I just came back from an interview with Brian Johnson, the don't die guy, the Braintree Venmo guy. And as a side note, Eric, when he was talking about Brian from AirChat, he's talking about Brian Norgard. Smart product guy. Head of product at Tinder. And before that, he sold a company to either MySpace or Fox. No, I know it was one or the other. It was either MySpace or Fox.

11:24But at the time, MySpace was owned by Fox. No idea. Yeah, I know Norgard. He's a smart guy. But yeah, and then now you just got done with the meeting with Brian, the Braintree Brian. Braintree Venmo. So it's called Braintree Venmo Brian Johnson. And so he has a new movement called Don't Die. And he's all over the news. He's transfusing his blood with his son and then also his dad, which there's some interesting stuff behind that. He's injecting his Johnson with Botox. So his penis? His private parts. Yeah. So he's doing all these things, right? And we got to a part. Why would you put Botox in your private part?

12:03And so I asked him that. And so because I was like, do you have like wrinkles in your penis or something? He's like, no, he's like, Botox actually does a lot more for you than just that. Right. It has like actually could has like, you know, 10 to 20, 30, maybe even like a hundred different benefits. And basically, so this is a side thing for, for you, for men out there, but the reason he's doing this, he does like electromagnetic waves. I think it's sound therapy, sound therapy. That's right. For his penis. And he also does Botox. The reason for that is because you want to have, you want to have multiple boners per night.

12:35This is what he said. This is his words. Right. And so the more you have, the healthier you are. That's like one of the markers of your health. We talk about VO2 max, we talk about grip strength and things like that. The number of times you have boners and how long you have boners per night. And guys don't usually know, right? Guys, this is not a health podcast, but I'm going into the marketing piece. Just let me get there. So anyway, he's sharing stuff like that. And then he gets to a point where he's on Twitter right now. He's going after AG1. So Athletic Greens, you know, they do really well.

13:01They spent like$40 million on podcasts last year. So he's kind of going after them and saying, hey, look, like all the claims you guys make are like baseless. Like you guys don't even show how much stuff you have, how much of each ingredient you have in your product, blah, blah, blah. So he's like on one end, he's attacking people like publicly. Right. And that helps him get reached. On the other side, he does a lot of research. Right. So he's, you know, we talk about microplastics and all that. I'm sorry, guys. But so he is doing studies on all food out there and showing how much microplastics there are.

13:32He's also doing other studies. I think how much, Brad, was it metal? Heavy metal. How much heavy metals are. So he's basically doing, on one end, it's like he's vilifying someone. On the other end, he's creating a lot of data that other people otherwise wouldn't have access to. And I think that's a nice way to do content marketing. That's how he's getting bigger and bigger. I also think he's getting bigger and bigger with content marketing because his TAM is big. his content is about health, nutrition, living long which is applicable to pretty much any adult human I don't think a 15 year old or 16 or even 18 year old is thinking about death I don't even think a 21 or 25 year old is thinking about death You know what he said?

14:15He said a really interesting quote I think it was, making money is the most expensive thing you can do That's what he said, I'm paraphrasing Why would making money be the most expensive thing you can do? I think my interpretation of that, we didn't get to dig in because it was towards the end But my interpretation is, I think he's saying that trying to take in short-term profits, that becomes really expensive because when you sacrifice and you wait for long-term, you're going to make a lot more. So his whole thing is he's not gunning for an exit with this company. He's building it for long-term.

14:41He said he's trying to build religion. And the next level is how do you build a god, right? So he's going like, you talk about large town, religion is everybody. So with his market and him saying that he's not trying to make money or making money is, what was the quote again? Making money is the most expensive thing you can do. Do you also think it could be making money is the most expensive thing you can do because you put a lot of stress. They say CEOs have some of the most stressful jobs and that ruins your health and maybe may not live as long. So I asked him at the end of this, I said, hey, are you, because he sold Brainsheet for$800 million.

15:19I was like, are you way happier and way less stressed doing this? And he's like, 100 ,000. He basically said, I'm paraphrasing, 100 ,000%, right? Right. Whoa, you want to know why? Because he had that brain team money. And I said, I said, you made your, you made your nut already. Right. And that's, that's why you're like, good, you're at peace now. Give me$800 million too. And I'll tell you, I'm not stressed and life is great. Yeah. I'm ready for my check. But going, wait, what was the question you asked again? Is it, is he saying that whatever the quote was, I forgot it again. Here, I'll give it to you.

15:50So making money is the most expensive thing you can do. Yes. And what I was saying is, Does he feel making money is the most expensive thing because it can impact your lifespan due to all the stress that it causes? I don't think that's the case because we got to this quote through. I asked him why he gave away his book on audiobook for free. And his whole thing is he wants to give us weight, as much content as possible, and not try to monetize it right now. And then instead wait for 5, 10, 15, 20 years and let the religion, this movement compound. And I mentioned to you, he has someone really famous going to his place tonight.

16:22and so it's clear that this movement's catching on. He has a lot of celebrities reaching out to him about this stuff. It's kind of crazy. Yeah, and when you have a phrase called don't die and that's your movement, that's something people can get behind. People can either really hate it or people can really love it. So it's polarizing. You should talk to him about Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett eats McDonald's for breakfast, drinks Dr. Pepper or Diet Coke or one of those things and he's still pretty healthy for his age. So yeah, I mean, that's a good point. But his response is probably going to be like, well, that's an outlier.

16:58And I did press him on this and we can move on after this. But I was like, some of the doctors out there, like Dr. Peter Atiyah, Dr. Andrew Huberman, Dr. Mark Hyman, like all these longevity experts, right? They eat meat, they eat fish and they get a lot of sun, right? And I said, so why don't you do it? And he's like, well, at this longevity summit, the YPL Longevity Summit, he's like, who shared their biomarkers? I was like, you did. He's like, did anybody else? And so his whole thing is like, my biomarkers crush everybody else's. And so until they can beat mine, then they can, you know. F off.

17:28Yeah. He didn't say that, but like, you know. Yeah. I look at it as the reason his marketing does so well is because he's taking things to the extreme. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I agree with you on the Warren Buffett. He's an outlier. you know i i'm not associated with mcdonald's and coke but i would never give my kids mcdonald's and coke every single day you just give it every other day i would not even give it every other day or even once a week how many times you get chicken nuggets from mcdonald's three four times a year oh wow oh it's it's a it's a quarterly treat you said for mcdonald's i'm not talking about homemade chicken nuggets chicken nuggets for your kids from mcdonald's yeah not homemade chicken Homemade too.

18:08Homemade much more often, multiple times a week. But it's healthy when it's homemade. Like actual homemade or like TV dinner? No, actual homemade, not in the microwave. Not TV dinner. No, no, no. Like as in made from scratch. Okay, okay, okay. Right? See, that's rich chicken nuggets. Even the ketchup is working. That's it for today, everyone. Please don't forget to rate, view, subscribe. MarketingSchool.io slash agency. We're going to show you all how we build this community. And if you have an agency, we're going to help you build your agency faster. So that being said, we'll see you tomorrow.

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In episode #2749, we discussed inflation, fast food price increases, consumer behavior, marketing strategies, dental experiences, credit card benefits, health and wellness, and celebrity movements. We also tackled the concept of making money, stress, and longevity.  Don’t forget to help us grow by subscribing and liking on YouTube!   Check out more of Eric’s content (Leveling UP YT) and Neil’s videos (Neil Patel YT)  TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES: (00:00) Today's topic: McDonald's & Taco Bell show where the economy is really at, and The genius of Bryan Johnson's marketing (01:15) McDonald's & Taco Bell show where the economy is really at (12:19) The genius of Bryan Johnson's marketing (19:41) That’s it for today! Don’t forget to rate, review, and subscribe! Go to https://www.marketingschool.io to learn more!   Leave Some Feedback: What should we talk about next? Please let us know in the comments below Did you enjoy this episode? If so, please leave a short review.   Connect with Us:    Single Grain << Eric’s ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel X @ericosiu

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