This Is What an AI-Run Company Looks Like

0:00Eric Siu:Using only 20 % of your business data is like dating someone who only texts emojis. First of all, that's annoying. And second, you're missing a lot of context. But that's how most businesses operate today, using only 20 % of their data. Unless you have HubSpot, where all the emails, call logs, and chat messages turn into insights to grow your business. Because all that data makes all the difference. I would know because I use HubSpot at my company. Learn more at HubSpot.com. I've been using OpenClaw in Telegram. So I've been working with it alone and I've spun up a bunch of different agents, one for content, one for sales, one for all these different themes.

0:40Eric Siu:And I noticed the problem that I was coming up with is that I was the bottleneck. I was becoming the bottleneck because I was building all these things. But at the end of the day, if I have to be the bottleneck of every decision, things are going to move a lot more slowly. And so what I had happen last week, Neil, this was a major unlock for me last week, and I'll be doing a webinar action on this in an hour or so.

1:02Neil Patel:Before I cut, and I'm sorry to cut you off, can you explain to everyone the cool stuff you're doing on Telegram with OpenClaw for everyone?

1:10Eric Siu:So, yeah, that's good. Thank you. So I'll start with what I was doing on my own, and then I'm going to talk about the major unlock that happened last week. OK, so, you know, in terms of actual ROI use cases I'm getting from OpenClaw right now in my Telegram. So you can use WhatsApp, you can use Discord or whatever it is exactly. And you can even add it to Slack, which is what I just did last week. But in Telegram, I am using it. I have a bot called Alfred that acts as my chief of staff. And so Alfred has all the context of my business. It has all the context of my goals. It has all the context on my just almost everything.

1:48Eric Siu:And it can spin up like it creates content for me on X. So the content, I've talked about this before, it averages 85 ,000 views per post. Not only that, it started creating content for me for Instagram. So it did an Instagram post and then that one got like 40 ,000 views or something like that. It's one of those data charts that you see on my Instagram, right? I was like, hey, this one did really well on X. Hey, what can we do based on the work we've done? Okay, so that's cool. That's content, right? Right. But not only that, Neil, the beat Claude challenge that I put together, we made our first hire.

2:20Eric Siu:The very first person we talked to was a superstar. OK. And when I when I talked to that person, I was like, hey, so how did you I usually like to ask when they're in an interview. I'm like, so how did you prepare for this call? He's like, well, Eric, I read your book. I was like, oh, wow, he read my book. Right. I'm like, you don't hear that from a lot of people. And so I read your book. And not only that, dude, this guy had a startup he's been working on for three years or so. and I'm like, oh, he's been taking a beating. Like, not only has he taken a beating, he took a beating for three years.

2:45Eric Siu:So he knows how to take pain, right? And then I passed him over to talk to my CTO. My CTO was like, I saw my CTO talking for, like, I think it was 70 minutes or so. And he had a smile on his face the whole time.

2:57Neil Patel:That's cool. So to go back to it really quickly before you end up breaking down some of the, or before you end up breaking down some of the open clause stuff that you're doing, because I'm curious. We talked about it a lot last week and when I was in Mexico as well. But what are some of the cool stuff that you're doing with OpenClaw, like on Telegram and some of the other channels? So I know you're doing the stuff with the X articles and that's been going well for you. The Instagram stuff is new for me. So that's really cool. And you're seeing some good results. I'm assuming it's hit or miss like most social media posts, but you're getting some more hits because you're asking it to create similar content to your hits.

3:41Neil Patel:So it's learning. Okay. What are some of the other cool successes that you've gotten from OpenClaw over the last week?

3:50Eric Siu:So hiring, that one's major, right? Because now everyone that applies, they're going to have to go through the BeatClaw challenge. And it saves us a lot of time ultimately. And you find AI native people. It just makes it a lot easier. We actually have a dashboard that shows what Neil scored versus what Claude scored. And if you beat that, then like we'll talk to you. And then all we want to talk about is, at least if you get to me, all I want to talk about is AI. Because I just, I'm looking for an exceptional conversation with an exceptional person. So that's recruiting.

4:15Neil Patel:Not only that. Let's stop with recruiting. So let's stick on that for a minute. I know you talked about this challenge. It was either last week or the week before. And you told me about the kid who read your book, which I thought was awesome, by the way. For someone who has that kind of dedication, that's amazing. It was the same thing when I was in India. I met someone who wasn't part of our Mumbai office. And he's just like, I really want to be part of it. And he's just like, so I asked the, you know, we have a leader there named Rubina. He's like, I asked Rubina if I was able to pay for my own ticket and own hotel to be here so I can learn more.

4:48Neil Patel:I was like, look at this dedication, right? I wasn't expecting to do that. So that was great. But, you know, where was I getting at? And so on the recruiting side, it's really good that the kid did that. But can you break down the challenge again? Because you talked about it a week ago. I thought it's an amazing idea. And it's something that you can templatize and do for your whole hiring process.

5:14Eric Siu:Dude, all you guys need to do if you're watching this right now, you can still see me, right? I can still see you. Okay, cool. So if you go to singlegrain.com slash apply, you can steal this from me. I have no issues with this, right? Because I literally, I stole this from Anthropic because Anthropic does this. That's why it's called the Beat Cloud Challenge, right? So let me back up a second. When I saw Anthropic, what I have pulled up on the screen right now, if you can't see it, is I have a GitHub repo that's open, okay? So that might sound scary. It's like, oh, my God, I don't know how to code GitHub.

5:42Eric Siu:Don't worry about that, okay? This GitHub, it just shows what I have here for the challenge. It basically describes it. What Anthropic had before was like, hey, we want to hire you if you can beat AI, okay? So they're hiring, like, more engineers, obviously. So I went to my open call and I said, hey, I want to have this challenge, but I want to have it relate to my company and my goals and the roles that we're hiring for. So what I'm going through right now is this is an overview. Like this is how it works. You pick a challenge. The challenge is basically these are the different roles that we're hiring for, right?

6:13Eric Siu:So like paid media, engineers, product designers, sales, head of talent, sales director. So these are the roles that we have. And by the way, if there's no role that we have available and you really want to join single grain, we have a general one over here. Okay. I'll pause for a second. Any questions before I go on?

6:30Neil Patel:Do you want to explain the repository one more time for people like in more depth so they understand it?

6:35Eric Siu:Yeah. So a GitHub repo or repository is where you might have your code stored, for example. Or you might have different skills, right? Like marketing skills. Or in this case, this is just a bunch of folders and files on the different challenges we have if you want to join our company. So you have to beat the challenge, right? And then there's also like a leaderboard here. And then there's different submissions that we have. So there's different folders. There's a readme. There's a scoring rubric as well. And then if you click through one of the challenges, let's say marketing strategy, you will see that here's a brief for the challenge itself.

7:07Eric Siu:If you're watching on it, you should definitely be watching on YouTube. And then here's like the situation that we give. You know, this is like a hypothetical situation. Oh, this company raised$5 million. There's six months of runway remaining. Here's the founder. Here's the product. So it gives a bunch of context on what the challenge is. And then it tells you, hey, here's what you should submit over here. Create a 90-day go-to-market strategy to get them from zero to 50K in monthly recurring revenue so they can raise their next round, right? But this was all created using an open claw, just asking it to make this.

7:36Eric Siu:And then I can edit it if I want. But then after I just took the Anthropic link and I said, I want something like this, ask me clarifying questions. then it put this all together and it launched it to my repo. So you look at all this stuff over here, it looks like a lot of work. How much work did I do? Like, I don't know, 10 minutes.

7:51Neil Patel:Yeah, and if you guys don't have OpenClaw up and running, you can do this with ChatGPT, you can do this with Copilot, you can do this with Gemini, the list goes on and on.

7:59Eric Siu:Yeah, I would go CloudCode or OpenClaw with this, or CodeX if you want. It's one of these agenda coders because with one of the, like a Cloud or just a ChatGP, there's more to be desired there. I don't think you could do this in 10 minutes.

8:14Neil Patel:Yeah, I agree with that. One thing that we're seeing on the marketing end with people talking about OpenClaw and CloudCode before this and, you know, ChatGPT, of course, was big. Then Gemini, Gemini had a lot of cool features like Nano Banana and stuff. So it started gaining tons of traction. That we're seeing is we're constantly seeing corporations, at least in the marketing department, trying to use new tools, which I think is really good. but I think there's one big mistake that people aren't really taking into account that's going to hurt them in the future. It doesn't mean you shouldn't use OpenClaw or CloudCode.

8:49Neil Patel:If you spent a year training chat GPT hypothetically, and then you just want to switch over to CloudCode and everyone use CloudCode, you have to start a lot of the training all over again. And people forget that there's a big cost sink into all of these LLMs because if you're adapting these LLMs to be more efficient with your marketing, and you don't think through which one you really want to use at the beginning and you just switch around, you'll lose a lot of traction a year from now. You got to really think long-term on where you want to invest your eggs. Yeah.

9:25Eric Siu:So what I would say is you want to make sure whether you're using, I mainly switch between CloudCode and OpenClaw for different reasons. CloudCode's good for UI, UX, and deeper builds. OpenClaw is good for if I just wanted to ship something very quickly and think through it, right? What I would say is whether it's within Codex or Cloud Code, Codex is the one from OpenAI. That's their autonomous agent or agentic coder, I should say. They have all these files. So in your Cloud, you have your Cloud.md file. So you can actually set up contextual memory where it compounds. And that's one of the true values of OpenClaw, for example.

10:01Eric Siu:It has contextual memory and has these files that continually refer to. and you can continue to upgrade to memory over time. That's what you didn't have in like a chat GPT just by itself before. It might say it has a little memory, but it's like there's a lot more to be desired. The reason why Jensen said OpenClaw is such a big deal is because now you can continue to compound on it and those learnings you can actually carry over, right? And another thing I should call out too, Neil, I don't know if you're aware of this, but now there's easy portability. If you want to move from chat GPT to Anthropic, there's actually very easy things that you can just execute now to just port your memory over.

10:36Eric Siu:And I think Anthropic was the one that first came out with that, but you can also do it vice versa. If you want to go from Anthropic to ChatGPT, you can do the same thing too.

10:43Neil Patel:How good is it when you port it over?

10:45Eric Siu:I haven't ported it over because I don't need to do it, but I see so many people talking about it on Twitter. It's like, oh, like now, like, because you see people, I think some people were kind of up in a uproar because ChatGPT signed with the Department of War. And then like, you know, everyone's like, oh, I'm on Anthropic now, right? I'm like, okay, like they're both great products. I don't care. but that's I saw people talking about it but I will say the memory with this like with the

11:07Neil Patel:Eric does care about AI being used for war and hurting people yeah I don't want surveillance

11:13Eric Siu:right I don't want that type of stuff going on and I don't think I should be controlling and things like that so yeah but I think the news cycle that's not like you know I'm just kind of scrolling past it that's what I'm saying but thank you for the clarification

11:26Neil Patel:Yes, and he doesn't want innocent people dying either.

11:29Eric Siu:Yeah, and I'll give you one more example, then we can move on from this, Neil. But this is where I'm starting to combine everything together. So this is like a dashboard that I have called Single Brain, where, again, I'm like, why hire humans to do robot things? We want the people that we have on our team to focus more on doing only things humans can do, right? And we're getting there. So this data, we're still porting in data here, but you can see I don't want a dashboard that I need to manage. I want a dashboard where I can manage the agents. And so I have my agents in here. I have Oracle, I have Flash, I have Cyborg.

12:02Eric Siu:So Oracle is for SEO, Flash is for social media, Cyborg is for recruiting, Alfred is my chief of staff. You can see what they're doing over here. You can see the actions they're taking. I can set it to auto if I want or not. or as an example, you know, I can see the speed to lead on my team over here, right? Again, some of this is dummy data. Some of this is real, but this is all, by the way, none of this data was populated yesterday. So all I do once I'm done with my, you know, kind of operating company work is I just go to OpenClaw because OpenClaw is porting the data over to this dashboard.

12:34Eric Siu:This dashboard is built within Cloud Code and I can, I basically have like everything I can manage here. I can see the tasks that are happening over here, the cron jobs I have, the team that I have over here, right? All this is going to be something that clients are using as well because the way we see it is like, okay, you know, if you just know how to push buttons with paid media, okay, you're basically done, okay? If you just know how to do, you know, if you're just a BDR, you know, six months ago, you're done as well. Like the way is we have to help people learn how to control the robots so they can do higher leverage things that only humans can do.

13:07Eric Siu:That's where we're trying to go with this. But that's why this stuff matters so much, at least to me.

13:12Neil Patel:Dude, I'm going to share my screen really quickly. Go for it. I use Cloud Code so much for this internally.

13:19Eric Siu:Dude, when did you start using Cloud Code?

13:22Neil Patel:A while ago. But check this out. I use it mainly for financial projections, for stuff that's related to new divisions and stuff like that. And then you can end up just adjusting. Dude, this is sweet. It's sweet. You stopped your screen share. Yes, I stopped it. But I was just showing it's just random charts. But like, it's quick stuff. Like it doesn't take more than 10 minutes. It's just easier to do than Excel. And it's just more pretty. And it's easier to digest for me to share it. And it's quicker for me to get the output than it is to manually type it all into.

13:59Eric Siu:Dude, you know how you get text messages all the time with the data? So you can basically plug all those text messages in and just have it update your dashboards.

14:09Neil Patel:Don't need to. People don't send me data anymore. Oh, they just plug it into Dashboard? They send me cloud code reports of pretty versions of data. They text me. That's great. They text me HTML. You have to click it and open it. But if you open it on your phone, you have to open it within the browser for it to load and look.