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Marketing School Episode Summary
Podcast Title
Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips
Episode Title
What's Old in Marketing Is New Again, and What's New Is Old
Episode Description
In this episode, Neil Patel and Eric Siu explore the cyclical nature of marketing strategies, emphasizing the importance of adapting industry-specific tactics to modern market conditions. They discuss the continued effectiveness of traditional marketing methods like direct mail and the pitfalls of relying solely on new tactics such as AI-generated content.
Key Concepts
- The Cyclical Nature of Marketing
- What's Old is New Again: Traditional marketing methods can still be effective.
- What's New is Old: New strategies may not guarantee success and can sometimes revert to older tactics.
- Traditional Marketing Channels
- Direct Mail:
- Once considered outdated, direct mail is highlighted as effective when targeting specific demographics (e.g., affluent older individuals).
- Personalized approaches can yield better results (e.g., sending video cards to high-end consumers).
- Newsletters:
- The resurgence of newsletters as a marketing tool is discussed.
- Successful companies have used newsletters effectively for years.
- Emphasis on not just selling ads but maximizing customer lifetime value.
- The Importance of Continuous Testing
- Market conditions are fluid; what works now may not work later.
- Continuous testing of marketing strategies is necessary to adapt to changing consumer behaviors and preferences.
- Limitations of New Marketing Techniques
- AI-Generated Content:
- The use of AI like ChatGPT to create content has led to concerns over duplicate and low-quality content.
- The need for expertise, authority, and trust (EAT) in content creation is emphasized.
- High-quality, unique content is more likely to engage audiences and perform well in search rankings.
- Key Takeaways
- Don’t assume strategies that work for others will work for you—focus on your specific industry needs.
- Consider how traditional methods can be reimagined to fit modern contexts.
- Always prioritize quality and authenticity in content creation over convenience.
Time-Stamped Notes
- (00:00) Introduction of the episode topic.
- (00:04) Discussion on direct mail as a viable marketing strategy.
- (00:59) Mention of increasing conversion rates through "Sign in with Google."
- (01:39) Highlighting privacy concerns affecting conversion rates.
- (02:19) Importance of continuous testing in changing market conditions.
- (03:25) Revisiting direct mail and newsletters as old strategies.
- (04:06) Strategies for maximizing customer lifetime value.
- (04:35) Warnings about blindly following others' success.
- (04:41) Issues with using AI for content creation discussed.
- (05:31) Conclusion and final call to action.
- (05:53) Closing remarks.
Conclusion This episode serves as a reminder that marketing strategies are not static and can evolve based on market conditions. Both old and new techniques have their place in effective marketing, but the key is to test, adapt, and focus on delivering high-quality content tailored to your audience's needs.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:03All right. So we are going to talk about what's old and marketing is new again. And what's new is old. And so what we mean by this, let's give you an example here. So direct mail seems like a fairly old marketing channel or old marketing strategy, right? But in today's day and age, you have to consider the industry that you're in as well. Direct mail actually makes a lot of sense, especially if you're doing something that is, let's say you're trying to target rich people locally, for example, or like rich people that are in their 60s, 70s, 80s or so, right? So that's what it is. Yeah. And another example of this is, and actually before I give an example, the main point that we're trying to convey across is what worked before may not work today.
0:47And what works today may not work again tomorrow. So I'll give you a great example of this. One of my old startups that didn't work out called Kissmetrics, we were able to increase our conversion rates from a visitor to sign up by over 90 % from the baseline. Instead of making a user register, we would just have them click a button that says sign in with Google. Google would then give us a username and through the authentication, it would also give us an email address and basic information like their name. so that we were able to auto-register and create account for them. The rest of the funnel to using the application, installing it, etc., was roughly the same.
1:29So we literally saw a little bit more than a 90 % increase. But over time, we noticed that those conversion rates started dropping because Kissmetrics was a much older company. Nowadays, if someone asks you to sign in with Google, you may do it, you may not, but you have privacy concerns. Wait, wait, what are they going to get access to? What's going to happen with all my data and information? And it's valid. And what we saw is that strategy, even though it worked really, really well years ago, today, if you force from what we've tested, sign in with Google, and that being the only option, we've seen conversions tank quite a bit.
2:06Now, if you offer people the option to register putting their email and password, or sign in with Google, so you're giving them either option, we've seen conversions go back up. But the point I'm trying to make is market conditions change. What works today may not work tomorrow. And what isn't working today may work again tomorrow, right? So you got to continue to test and experiment. And a lot of these old school channels, like direct mail that Eric mentioned, a lot of people took it from granted because people are getting so much mail on a regular basis. And they were just like, ah, screw this, this is all junk.
2:41Now, what we've seen, if you're targeting very accurately, it can work extremely well. For example, if we're selling something that's consumer-based, direct mail, like if you create like a video card, no joke, Eric and I have received cards that are videos and they play a few times and before the battery dies and you can watch a video. But if you're targeting really high-end consumers and you send them to people who live in, let's building Central Park South in New York, that's an expensive building. Or if you target someone in Beverly Hills, California, there's a good chance you're targeting people who are well-off and they can do quite well.
3:24Yep. Look, I think also consider this, right? So things ebb and flow, and people forget about the past, right? So everyone's gotten away from direct mail, and then it's like, oh, well, long live direct mail. Same thing with newsletters. Everyone's talking about this whole newsletter renaissance right now. It's like, oh, email marketing's amazing. It's like this new thing, but it's like, no, it's always been around. You look at companies like Agora who are doing multi, they're multi, I think they're doing multiple billions a year or so, at least a billion. And the thing is like, it's just like, hey, you know, we've been doing newsletters here.
3:53We've been focusing on what works for us. And then you have a lot of people in tech now. They're like, yeah, starting a newsletter is great. You should sell ads on it. It's like, no, you should do the newsletter piece. Like what's old is new again, but don't sell ads on it. Instead, have a higher lifetime value customer in the backend, and then you can sell to them. And that's how you can make newsletters work, right? So I think the caveat here is like, what's old is new again, for sure. But think about how it can apply to your business and how you can maximize the lifetime value of a customer instead of just doing what everyone else is doing.
4:22Yes. And don't take the status quo, what everyone's saying is working and assuming that it is working. Just because it's working for them may not work for you, or it may not continually work for you if it is right now. Yep. Now let's go to the what's new is old example. Like what example do you have for that one? Yeah. So if you're talking about what's new, a lot of people were using chat GPT to create content. And they're like, Oh, this is great. It's revolutionary. It'll save us so much time. Well, Eric and I have been doing a lot of tests with this. We found that we ended up doing an experiment where we had a thousand articles created through chat GPT, 186 of them had duplicate content, either sentences or paragraphs plagiarized.
5:07And now everyone is using chat GPT to create content, but it's lacking the double EAT experience, expertise, authority, and trust. So that content, what we're seeing isn't ranking well on Google, isn't getting the traction because it's just regurgitated information and no one wants to read it. They want to read fresh new information that offers a different perspective, gives them more knowledge and gives them insights that they haven't seen before. Yep. So that is it for today. Think about your industry first. Think about what's old that used to work and maybe five, 10, maybe even 20 plus years ago, and think about how you can apply it now.
5:41Right. And by the way, when you're looking to target, I think if you're looking to target like an affluent audience, people love receiving FedExes. People like receiving UPSs because it looks important. Right. So just keep that part in mind. So that is it for today. Please don't forget to rate, read, subscribe, and we will see you tomorrow. Check out this video over here as well. So goodbye.

