Your email marketing won’t work anymore unless you follow these 3 new rules from Google and Yahoo, What Google’s new algorithm update tells us about the future of AI content, Stupid Pepsi ad, Why startup building is different with AI

5 Apr 2024 · 19 min

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Podcast Title Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips

Podcast Description Neil Patel and Eric Siu provide daily actionable digital marketing lessons based on their extensive experience. Topics include SEO, content marketing, social media, email marketing, conversion optimization, and more.

Episode Title Your email marketing won’t work anymore unless you follow these 3 new rules from Google and Yahoo, What Google’s new algorithm update tells us about the future of AI content, Stupid Pepsi ad, Why startup building is different with AI

Episode Description In this episode (#2714), the hosts discuss new email marketing guidelines from Google and Yahoo, the impact of AI on content, a critique of a Pepsi advertisement, and how building startups has changed with AI.

Time-Stamped Show Notes

  • (00:00) Introduction to episode topics
  • (01:15) Email marketing rules from Google and Yahoo
  • (07:15) Insights from Google’s algorithm update regarding AI content
  • (10:57) Discussion of a questionable Pepsi ad
  • (13:21) How AI is changing startup building
  • (17:46) Episode conclusion and call to action

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Key Discussions

  1. Email Marketing Changes
  2. New Rules:
  3. Spam Limits: Must be less than 0.1%, can go up to 0.3% max.
  4. Authentication: Use SPF, DKIM, and DMARC to verify the sender's identity.
  5. Unsubscribe Options: Must offer a one-click unsubscribe and comply with removal requests within two days.
  • Implications:
  • Increased user control and better user experience.
  • Marketers need to adapt to maintain email as a viable channel.
  • Sending valuable content is crucial to keeping spam scores low.
  1. Google’s Algorithm and AI Content
  2. Experiment Findings:
  3. Comparison of AI-generated versus human-generated content across 60 websites.
  4. Traffic Performance:
  5. AI content underperformed significantly (e.g., 52 visits vs. 283 for human-written content after five months).
  • Conclusion:
  • Search engines may favor human-created content despite claiming to prioritize quality over authorship. AI content needs human refinement.
  1. Critique of a Pepsi Ad
  2. Ad Analysis:
  3. The ad featured a Diet Coke can with misleading wording that inadvertently promoted Coke.
  4. Hosts criticized the effectiveness of this marketing strategy.
  1. Startups and AI
  2. Market Dynamics:
  3. Startups now face challenges from incumbents who have established distribution and data advantages.
  4. Incumbents like Google and Microsoft are rapidly innovating, making it harder for new startups to compete.
  • Strategic Recommendations:
  • Startups should innovate within existing frameworks instead of trying to compete directly with established companies.

Key Takeaways

  • Adapting to email marketing rules is essential for businesses to keep their email strategies effective.
  • The quality of content remains pivotal in digital marketing, especially with the rise of AI-generated content.
  • Effective advertisements should not inadvertently promote competitors.
  • The landscape for startups is evolving with AI, requiring new strategies for competition.

Conclusion The episode emphasizes the importance of adapting to changing marketing landscapes, particularly with new guidelines from major email providers and the implications of AI on content creation and startup dynamics. The hosts encourage listeners to embrace these changes to maintain their marketing effectiveness and relevance.

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0:00All right, today we're going to be discussing how your email marketing won't work anymore unless you follow these three new rules from Google and Yahoo. did you see what they ended up putting out no so google and yahoo oh yeah yeah yeah this i this i have go ahead yeah so if you're sending out 5 000 or more emails per day they're changing up the rules on you the first is your spam limit needs to be less than 0.1 ideally it can go above 0.3 so that really means you can go up to 0.3 but they don't want you over um and if it goes over 0.3%, there's a good chance your emails don't even get placed in people's inbox.

0:42The second is, and this one has been going on for a long time, it just sounds like a lot of people still don't do it, at least smaller businesses. They want you to use SPF, DKIM, and DMARC to let them know that you're actually the one really sending out the email versus someone spamming or pretending to be you, which makes sense. I would have guessed that most companies already do this, but I guess there's some that don't if they're listing that out. and here's a funny one you have to have a one click unsubscribe which pretty much all email platforms do but they added a caveat if someone messaged you to remove them within their list you have to do so within two days if you don't do it within two days you're gonna you're gonna have issues yeah look i think this comes down to you have to adapt as a marketer this also comes down to marketers tend to abuse things until they get bad and so then you have companies like google on Yahoo that need to do something about it.

1:38So I think this is a better thing for users at the end of the day. It's a better user experience and you just have to comply. And I think even now that we're talking about this, we're actually a little late to it. We did talk about a couple months before, but I think it's helpful for us to remind you that you should comply to this. Otherwise, you're going to lose out on one of the most important channels that you have way more control over than any of the other channels out there. So the idea here is like, we're not saying go start a newsletter business, we're saying, hey, a newsletter is a nice way to keep people engaged and potentially get them to convert.

2:08Yeah. And I think they're making these changes because you're seeing more and more emails being sent to people who don't want them and more people creating newsletter businesses, which is increasing email volume, right? Newsletters have been on fire. A lot of people like the Cody Sanchez's have been talking about newsletters. You're also getting people using softwares like retention.com and emailing people who may not want to be emailed. but over time I actually think this isn't that crazy of requirements for them. I do think they're going to tighten this up. I think this is just a first step of them saying, hey, we're actually going to put in our own requirements, forget just laws, because people are using Yahoo Mail and Gmail and they're really popular as well as Outlook.

2:52They're going to start creating their own rules to help protecting their users, which then causes more people to be like, you know what? I'm going to end up using Gmail over Hotmail because Gmail makes it so I get way less crap in my inbox. And that's a huge problem. Like if I look at my Gmail inbox on a daily basis, dude, no joke, I at least get 100 to 200 emails a day from people I don't want, never heard of. And I click unsubscribe. And for some reason, I keep getting added back to lists. And on top of that. There's some of them don't even have unsubscribers, just people just randomly emailing me and I can't block them out anymore because I've used my limit.

3:37Google has this filter, not filtering thing. You can end up just blocking people and I would just block, block, block. And my inbox would start becoming much cleaner, nicer. But Google has a limit on how many people you can actually block within your Gmail. And I've went over that limit a few years ago. dude so neil is super ocd where he gets to inbox zero i've given up at this point so mike one of my inbox is like 51 000 and then the other ones yeah one thousand i just keep that night i give up although so so i'm pretty good at filtering for the things that are important i generally don't miss things that way i just i'm too lazy to go delete and like do all these things right but there's actually an app that's good for you um so you know thomas he works at same box right same box does a good job even to this day they still have a lot of customers that will help you filter out and move things away that seem like they're spammy.

4:27So that might save you time too. And I use it for that to help me boomerang things back to my inbox later, weeks later, months later, if I need to follow up with an email. So that's what I do. We all have our different ways. But I think the key takeaway here, or one of the key takeaways should be that if you want to have a low spam score, that probably means you have to send valuable emails. Otherwise, if all you're sending is sales emails, you're going to get a high spam score. And then what's going to happen is you're going to get filtered out. So that's going to affect a lot of people that are relying on outbound.

4:57So like, even if you do outbound, having a good, having good content that you're putting out maybe once, twice, or three times a week, that's going to balance things out. Otherwise, I don't see it working out for you in the long term. Yep. I want to take a second to tell you about my podcast co-host agency. So NP Digital, So Neil Patel Digital, what they do is they do a whole host of marketing services and they are global. They're worldwide. They have SMB services as well. They have mid-market to enterprise services as well. They cover the entire gamut. So you can just go to mpdigital.com to learn more about it.

5:35And now back to the episode. By the way, Neil and I have an agency owners group called the Agency Owners Association. All you have to do, just go to marketingschool.io slash agency. Once again, it's marketingschool.io slash agency to learn more. And now back to the show. On a side note, you know, we've been talking about Google and shifts. Dude, you know, it's so funny because with our new algorithm update, I ended up releasing some data about what I think the future is going to hold because we've been running experiments with AI content and non-AI content. And check this out. Funny enough, I can actually share my screen.

6:16You can. Yeah. All right. And can you see the chart on my screen? Yeah. So check this out. We took 60 websites, created 744 articles, half AI and half non-AI, right? So each website would publish half their content with AI, half with non-AI. In month one, the AI content on average per article got 28 visits from SEO, like organic traffic. 71 for the human rent. Month two, 49 versus 155. Month three, 36. 139. Month four, AI content had 64 visits on average per article and 207 visits on average per article for human rent. Month five, and that's where we stopped the experiment. 52 for ai that's an average visitor count on a monthly basis per article versus 283 the difference is staggering even though search engines are saying hey we just care about content quality we don't care if it's written by human or ai at the end of the day they're pretty much saying indirectly if the content is by ai because we don't think the quality is as high you're just not going to get as much traffic.

7:35And the people that we're seeing generating a lot of traffic from programmatic SEO are still modifying their content heavily with humans. So basically, if we're to simplify this, I'm looking at the five-month mark over here. At the five-month mark, the human content performs 5.44 times better than the purely AI-generated content. And actually, I've seen this. On our site, we've actually segmented it ourselves. So on the programmatic SEO piece, That's not going up nearly as quickly as the AI-assisted content we're doing with marketing school. And that actually got a boost after the recent update.

8:08It's actually shooting up even faster. And so I still think the key for the next five years or so is going to be AI-assisted content because it's pretty easy to detect the templated pages you're creating. I'm not saying don't do programmatic SEO. I still think it's a very viable thing. And guys, by the way, programmatic SEO is nothing new. TripAdvisor, Expedia, Zillow, all these companies have been doing it for years and years. And they're really leveraging their authority. So it's a combination of both if it makes sense for your business. So that's it. What else we got? Or should I pull one? I'll pull one.

8:41Go pull one. So have you seen this stupid Pepsi ad? Here, let me tell you what I'm talking about. Oh, you want to see it. Share your screen. Okay, here. See, if we record at my place next time, we can share a screen live in person. All right. You see this ad? Here, let me explain what's on the ad. So there's a picture of nachos and then there's a Diet Coke can. But then it says taste OK. So they turn the Coke can to only show the OK. Taste OK. Right. And then at the very bottom, it says taste better with Pepsi Max. And I'm just like, which idiot allowed first, which idiot made this ad? And then also which idiot allowed this ad to go forward?

9:22Because you're really just advertising Coke. I know I'm looking at this I'm like why would you put a Coke can within your ad the only Pepsi ad that I've seen that does really that I thought was really creative Halloween one yes you see that one yeah yeah yeah do you want let's see we can put it a lot faster if you get it go for it Pepsi I got it awesome here I'm pulling it up so share screen okay you see this

10:03yeah this way I thought that one was creative that was clever yeah so we wish you a scary Halloween so coke and then you can see the Pepsi actually is the main focal point over here but for the other one the focal point you can't put this Pepsi at the bottom when this that's the main thing Like this is no longer the focal point. So whoever did this, I don't think did this one. They tried to bite off this one, but it didn't work. No, but this one was clever. You're saying it's spooky to show that you're a Coke. What's funny is I get both these companies are really big. Both their products are just so bad for people.

10:42Yeah. Well, the good thing about Coke is they've diversified their portfolio and they have like healthy drinks and things like that too. And so good thing for Coke. I'm sure Pepsi has done something similar. They both do. Dude, they're no longer a Coca-Cola or a Pepsi. There's hundreds, if not thousands of different products. And some of them are really healthy and good. And some of them are really terrible for your health. But, you know, people still love their Coke and Pepsi. I don't get why. Yeah. You know what? I did go to a family reunion. So for Chinese people, the type of food we eat, like, I saw everyone drinking Coke.

11:18And they're like, Coke is good for digesting this type of food because it burns it up, right? The acid. And I'm like, and I haven't had Coke for years. And I'm like, oh, okay. Well, in that case, I'm going to try some Coke. And I was like, tasted pretty good. But, you know, that's why I guess we Asian people like eating Asian food and drinking Coke. So I'm going to end it. I think there's a nice one over here from a smart bear. So Jason Cohen, who founded WP Engine, I think he's founded two multi-billion dollar companies. or maybe SmartBear was like a centim, sold for like a centimillion outcome or something like that.

11:51But I wanted to share this piece over here. And here's what it says. Everyone go check out this blog post later. Just type in a SmartBear AI startups. So type in a SmartBear AI startups. And here's the post. It says AI startups require new strategies. This time it's actually different. So it says the typical dynamics between startups and incumbents do not apply in AI as they did in previous technology revolutions like mobile on the internet. Ignore this at your peril, right? I'm not going to read the entire thing here, but basically here's what he's saying at a high level. So incumbents aren't failing to innovate.

12:27So when you think about if you're going to start like an AI company, how are you going to compete with like a Microsoft or a Google or an open AI? They're the incumbents, so to speak. And before it was more about a startup getting distribution ahead of the incumbents, right? But in this case, the incumbents already have distribution there and they're innovating on their data sets, right? So that kind of goes out the window. And incumbents also have the data too. So you can't really build an AI strategy if there's no data strategy, right? And when you think about all the models or the data that Google's building on or OpenAI or Microsoft, whatever it is exactly, they have the data advantage.

13:06And also great talent. When you think about before, it's like, okay, why would someone work at a startup? A startup might raise money. They might work on something amazing. Well, here's the thing. If you work at an incumbent like a Microsoft or like a Google, you might get paid millions of dollars a year if you're a really good AI engineer or at least a couple hundred thousand dollars a year, right? So you have a much more stable job if you're going to build like an AI company, right? And so there's just a lot to think about here. And I do think like back in the day with mobile and the web and everything like that, all these things like risk aversion, disruption theory, the incumbents versus the startup type of thing, like that's all changed.

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15:58Adobe with Firefly has done an amazing job innovating and adapting, right? There's a lot of these bigger players like Adobe, Microsoft, even Google. I know a lot of people don't like Gemini, but Google is trying to innovate and adapt really fast. And you look at some of these big incumbents, they're spending an arm and a leg and adapting probably faster than a lot of the new startups that I see. And the main reason being is all this AI stuff takes tons of cash. and that's what the incumbents have more than anyone else. For startups to really leverage AI, some of them have to end up raising hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions.

16:37It's hard to do what OpenAI did and others. It just takes too much cash. Yeah. Look, I think, so the main thing that Jason's saying here too is that this is what it's going to take to build an AI company and the vast majority of people should not try to build an AI company. You can innovate on AI in your space. That's a different type of setup. I'm going to end up with this. This is a really good piece here. So on disruption theory, so the innovator's dilemma is not a dilemma this time around. Disruption theory explains how little upstarts leverage new technology to topple incumbents, even though the incumbents see it coming and act in their rational self-interest.

17:11The theory goes, new technology is often A, better in some ways, B, worse in some ways, and C, cheaper than existing technology. The combination of A and C can overcome B. The classic example given in the book is the original transistor radio, whose sound quality was far worse than the incumbent. Beautiful to look at, rich sounding, furniture size, and weight RCA radios. However, the advantage of the transistor radio is that it's portable, a feature made possible because transistors use so little energy. A radio at the beach that's staticky and a tiny is a lot better than not having a radio at all.

17:51So upstarts were able to sell radios that were worse in a very important way, but also cheaper with the advantage of mobility. So last paragraph here. So, of course, over time, the transistor radio improved its sound quality. And this is the other factor in disruption theory. that the technology that starts out worse becomes better over time and yet is still cheaper and retains its positive qualities. Then the new technology fully disrupts the incumbents who had been looking on thinking, we're the ones who have great sound so we're safe. We're not even really competing with those toy radios. So he's saying this no longer applies in the world of AI.

18:29So I think we can edit on this. Just go check out the post. There's a lot more to explore here. We just wanted to give you a little taste of it and think about how you can apply this to your business so you don't get left in the dust. So that's it for today. Please don't forget to rate, view, subscribe. And then if you want to grow your agency, if you're an agency owner, you can hang out in our community. You can learn more about our community, marketingschool.io slash agency. And we'll see you tomorrow.

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In episode #2714, we delve into Google and Yahoo's latest email marketing guidelines, addressing the adaptation challenges and underscoring the vital role of email marketing. We explore strategies for managing email clutter and emphasize the importance of crafting impactful email content. The conversation also delves into AI's influence on content creation, contrasting AI-generated content with human-crafted pieces, and discussing the challenges faced by AI startups amid stiff competition. We wrap up with insights on incumbents and disruption theory in the AI industry. Don’t forget to help us grow by subscribing and liking on YouTube!   Check out more of Eric’s content (Leveling UP YT) and Neil’s videos (Neil Patel YT)    TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES: (00:00) Today’s topic: Your email marketing won’t work anymore unless you follow these 3 new rules from Google and Yahoo, What Google’s new algorithm update tells us about the future of AI content, Stupid Pepsi ad, and Why startup building is different with AI (01:15) Your email marketing won’t work anymore unless you follow these 3 new rules from Google and Yahoo (07:15) What Google’s new algorithm update tells us about the future of AI content (10:57) Stupid Pepsi ad (13:21) Why startup building is different with AI (17:46) That’s it for today! Don’t forget to rate, review, and subscribe! Go to https://www.marketingschool.io to learn more!   Leave Some Feedback: What should we talk about next? Please let us know in the comments below Did you enjoy this episode? If so, please leave a short review.   Connect with Us:    Single Grain << Eric’s ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel X @ericosiu   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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