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Marketing School Podcast Episode Summary
Podcast Information
- Title: Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips
- Hosts: Neil Patel and Eric Siu
- Episode Title: YouTube Launches 'Hype' to Incentivize Small Creators
- Episode Number: #2834
- Description: The episode discusses YouTube's new features for enhancing community engagement, providing visibility for smaller creators, and insights from top-performing ads while comparing personal and corporate branding.
Time-Stamped Show Notes
- (00:00) YouTube launches 'hype'
- (01:17) Insights from analyzing over 8,000 top ads
- (03:56) Discussion on the value of personal brands
- (07:37) Conclusion and reminders to rate, review, and subscribe
Key Discussions
YouTube's 'Hype' Feature
- Objective: To provide increased visibility for smaller creators.
- Functionality:
- Channels with under 500,000 subscribers can use three 'hypes' per week.
- 'Hype' boosts the reach of selected videos, incentivizing creators to produce more content.
Analysis of Top-Performing Ads
- Source: Insights derived from data presented by Anne Marie Nelson Boggle, VP of ads marketing.
- Key Findings:
- Increased Representation: Ads now feature diverse characters and perspectives.
- Celebration of Self-Expression: Focus on individuality and unique styles.
- Community-Focused Storytelling: Emphasis on connection through storytelling.
- Embracing Magic and Fantasy: Use of imaginative elements to captivate audiences.
- Partnership with Creators: Collaboration with influencers enhances trust and engagement.
Personal Brands vs. Corporate Brands
- Argument Against Personal Brands:
- Personal brands contribute to less than 10% of revenue.
- Neil Patel shared revenue growth statistics to illustrate diminishing returns from personal branding as agency growth progressed.
- Examples and Comparisons:
- Kylie Cosmetics: Despite significant sales, traditional beauty brands outperformed her in revenue.
- Nike's Strategy: Nike has effectively utilized partnerships with personal brands like LeBron James, rather than focusing solely on building a personal brand.
Insights on Corporate Branding
- Neil Patel reflected on the evolution of NP Digital and the shift from a personal brand to a corporate identity.
- Emphasis on creating a brand that is recognized independently of its founder.
Key Takeaways
- YouTube's new features are favorable for small creators, encouraging engagement and community building.
- Brands that integrate storytelling and diversity into their ads are seeing better performance.
- The effectiveness of personal branding is under scrutiny, with corporate branding showing greater potential for revenue generation.
- Building a corporate brand, distinct from personal branding, may offer long-term advantages for businesses.
Conclusion
- The episode highlights the dynamic landscape of digital marketing, particularly on platforms like YouTube.
- It underscores the importance of innovation in branding strategies and community engagement.
- Listeners are encouraged to rate, review, and subscribe to the podcast for ongoing marketing insights and education.
Additional Links
- Marketing School Website: [marketingschool.io](https://www.marketingschool.io)
- Eric Siu's Agency: [Single Grain](https://www.singlegrain.com)
- Neil Patel's Agency: [NP Digital](https://www.npdigital.com)
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00YouTube just launched hype. I don't know if you heard about and YouTube just launched community So communities, people can engage in the communities. Talking about community again, good dovetail. But also hype, you know what hype is? Hype is for like, let's say your channel has under 500 ,000 subscribers. Instead of just a like, you can hype it. You get three hypes per week. And that will signal to YouTube that this is a really good video and they should give it more reach because they're trying to give smaller creators more reach to incentivize them to continue to create. And I think that's a great thing.
0:25That's cool. Yeah. I got to take a minute to tell you about the Agency Owners Association. This is a peer group for agency owners. Think YPO or EO, but for agency owners. And I just wanted to read you a couple of testimonials. So this first one comes from Carrie and we asked her, what do you like most about the group? She said, having a group of people to discuss and bounce ideas. The leads are great too. Yes, we share leads in this group as well. This one from Alian, he says, the ability to really post whatever I want and need and the group responds. Great experienced members, getting a lot of insights from conversations with other members, getting a lot of value from sessions from Eric, getting advice from others as well.
0:59And so if you want to grow your agency faster and you want a peer group to do so, just go to marketingschool.io slash agency. This is a group that both Neil and I created. And our hope here is to create a vibrant community of agency owners and do a lot more with it in the future. So again, marketingschool.io slash agency, and we'll see you inside. So this data is from Anne Marie Nelson Boggle. She's a VP of ads marketing and the key findings include one, increased representation. So brands are featuring more diverse characters and perspectives. Two, celebration of self-expression. Ads are focused on individuality and unique styles.
1:36Three, community-focused storytelling. Brands are emphasizing connection and social gatherings. Four, embracing magic and fantasy. Ads are using imaginative elements to spark interest. And last but not least, number five, partnering with creators. Brands are collaborating with creators to build trust and fan bases. Those are the main aspects that they've seen in the top performing ads. Now, you don't have to use all of them. A lot of people are just using one out of five, but those are the common elements that they're seeing that are causing brands to perform really well. Dude, if I had to just pick one from here, community-focused storytelling.
2:10So the Mr. Beast book, he just said in there, he shows their retention when the ads are not that good, right? You see drop-off, like hardcore drop-off at that point. But when they make it about storytelling that's relevant to the video itself, it just flows in seamlessly. And so they're just like, dude, your ad should be storytelling, right? And it shows over here, community-focused storytelling. I think that's more important than any of these five over here. I think that one's important. My favorite one is the influencer one, because that's easier. Partnering with creators? Yeah, because corporations have money.
2:41It's easier to build trust by working with influencers and other creators. A great example of this is Nike. Everyone wants to be a personal brand and have millions of followers, but Nike doesn't focus on that. They know corporate brands are more powerful. So what they did is instead of focusing on building personal brands, they partnered with people who have personal brands, EX, LeBron James, they used to partner with Kobe, Michael Jordan, and that's really elevated Nike and just made them boom over the years. All right, quick note. This is about my company. It's called Single Grain, and Single Grain is an ad agency where we're focused on driving innovation.
3:16I want to talk about a couple of new strategies. And if you need help with marketing, great. If not, here are a couple of new strategies that you should try out. One is programmatic CRO. So we are doing programmatic conversion rate optimization on our site. So it's building products that will automatically optimize your site to increase conversion rates. We're also auto-optimizing, auto-updating from an SEO standpoint. And we're constantly thinking about what else we can do in terms of enriching the visitors that are hitting your website and also tailoring custom messages for them using AI. And so there's a handful of things that we're doing from a marketing standpoint.
3:46And our mission is just to drive more innovation. So if you want to learn more, just go to singlegrain.com, grain like rice. So singlegrain.com to learn more and we'll see you inside. People shouldn't focus on the personal brands, right? Because your personal brand drives less than 10 % of revenue. And so I think it's good for us that we've talked about this before, but I think it's good to reinforce it because it's interesting because we'll say things that sometimes contradict what we're doing because we spend so much time like this is you're going to yawn. Neil's going to yawn, guys. Go ahead, yawn.
4:14Okay. So, um, but yeah, I mean, let's talk about a little more. I was yawning. So I wasn't personal brands versus corporate brands, corporate brands, right. And your personal brand is less than 10 % of your revenue. Um, but at the same time, we still take actions that build our personal brands. So I remember in our first year of business, we did around 5 million in revenue. This is for ad agency, NP digital, the personal brand pretty much drove a hundred percent. In the second year of business, we did around 18 million in revenue, the personal brand drove$10 million of that. The third year, we did$30 something million in revenue.
4:52The personal brand only drove around$10 million. And as our revenue kept growing, the personal brand was stuck at$10 million. Keep in mind, my personal brand is not like a Tony Robbins or a Gary Vee or a Kim Kardashian or anyone like that or a Ronaldo. So they're going to get more leverage from their personal brand than I am. but even when you look at these personal brands and let's take Kylie Jenner for example Kylie Cosmetics she got her beauty company at a pretty large they say she sold it for over a billion dollars it wasn't really the case right um her end up share I think was like for the majority of the business it was 50 but I don't think the business performed so let's call it around 600 million or 500 million or somewhere around there good it's still amazing there's nothing wrong that she did.
5:38I would love to have, you know, give me 500 million, 600 million. I'd be ecstatic. But what you find is you compare her to Estee Lauder, Maybelline, or any of the big, you know, beauty brands, L 'Oreal. And what do you notice? They're gigantically bigger by leaps and bounds. It just shows a personal brand only makes so much money. You know, you can say, oh, look at Michael Jordan, he's done so well with his personal brand. He has, but Nike's made even more money than him from their corporate brand. And so has Reebok and so has Adidas and a lot of these other players out there. You know, it's, it's interesting because to me, the Jordan brand started as a personal brand, but like, as it's evolved, like you don't really see him in the media or anything.
6:22To me, it's become more of a corporate brand. Like people can make the argument that, you know, Louis Vuitton or Christian Dior and Christian Dior, Chanel, like, but we don't know any of these people. No. They're just corporate brands now. Yes. Yeah. And so if you were to go back in time now, starting MP Digital, brand new today, what would you do about all the time you spent with a personal brand? Would you still do the same thing? Well, I would still leverage it because I think a personal brand is a great way to kick off your marketing. But if I had to go back even further, I would have done two things differently.
6:54One, I would have never focused on building a personal brand. I would have focused right away on a corporate brand. Two, I wouldn't have the corporation named after me as an individual. My agency was originally called Neil Patel Digital, then NP Digital to get away from Neil Patel. And believe it or not, people don't always associate NP with my name, which is great. And I would just focus on building a corporation that, you know, just has its own standard. What do they associate NP with now? Nothing. They just look at it as random initials. Like if you ask people about IBM, and I'm not saying we're anywhere near the size of IBM.
7:28We're tiny in comparison, but most people don't know what IBM stands for. Yeah, what does IBM mean? International Business Machine? Yeah. Anyway, that is it for today, everyone. This is live from us at Inbound 2024. This is how seriously we take it, guys. Neil had to speak at a couple things. I have four things to speak at today. This is the third one. I have one more. But please don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe. It helps us grow. Go to markingschool.io slash agency to apply for the Agency Owners Association. You can have a call with our guy, Austin, and we will see you tomorrow.
