#627 - Ryan Terry - Britain’s #1 Fitness Model Shares His Bodybuilding Secrets

25:49How do you know if you're doing that? You'll feel it. You'll feel it down your quads. What's the cue? Someone's listening to this, hanging from a bar right now. What is the cue for them to go from? I'm hanging straight to I'm doing a leg raise. that makes it work appropriately. So is it taking the hips in and making sure you're contracting, you're opening lower abdominals before anything else? So it's always keeping them fully contracted. Minds, most of the connection is a huge thing. I believe in that so much. Yeah, Mike Thurston does the same. Yeah, and the thing is, the last few years, I've done that so much more now.

26:22As I've got older and more mature, I'm not just trying to lift heavyweight and trying to ego lift. And since I've done that, the muscle maturity and how my body's developed, that it's just exponential, I wish I'd done it five, six years ago. So yeah, so I think that's very important, my total connection. With hanging leg raises, are you going to an L, are you going up to touch the bar? So either, so I used to do all the way to the top, but I alternate now, so I just do a bit of both. I think there's a place for both of them, but I think that when you go past a certain point, you are recruiting other muscle groups.

26:55So if you want to just isolate your midsection, just go to 90 degrees. How do you do progressive overload on that? Or do you? You or you could add weights to you. I don't, personally, because I was obsessed with my midsection growing up. As you can see, Rob Riches was the guy who got me obsessed with it. So I wanted to be on the front covers like Rob Bozzar. You see all the magazines and I tried to treat my midsection like any of a muscle part. So a lot of people think with the midsection you should train for 30 minutes after every session know why every of them also part we train, we train to break the muscle fibres down heavy, a lot of load, we break the muscle fibres down, we let them recover two, three, four days before we hit them again and that's how I looked and viewed my midsection so I'd give them two full hour sessions with a three to four day rest between and I'd the six to eight rep range really heavy.

27:48The thing with that I start to develop really chunky abs, block But in then it started to look a bit distended because I'd gone too far with it and I was causing so many back problems. I had slipped discs from it and basically it's because I was too front heavy, too front strong. So it took a lot of years to start having to a high -prex10 for every crunch I did. This said I had to do two high -prexensions. Wow. So yeah, it was very important. You needed to compensate for all of that anterior strength that you developed. And so now I don't tend to go too heavy and we do a lot of own body weight stuff.

28:21Okay, cool. So you've got four you've got squat bench deadlift. Yeah, hanging leg raises six more slots to keep your body So so I'd go with some isolation work So we'll probably go with like an incline dumbbell chest Just because you can do very a lot of different variations are on that, but I think it's great for development Shoulders aren't getting much work at the moment Alright, shoulder press will go with a dumbbell shoulder press because it's great for isolation, unilateral and that's quite important, obviously length load. So we need to do some hamstring work. So we'll do... I would say stiff leg deadlift but no, I think if we're going to try and create some growth, I think we're going to go for a line hamstring curl heavy.

29:12You prefer a lying to a seated? I do, yes. Yeah, I do. But I don't know if that's down to the fact I just get better contraction off that. I think it's personal preference in my eyes. I've always said that with any type of exercises. If you feel an exercise more than another stick with it, go with it. Do the extra sets and reps on that particular exercise because that's where you're going to get the most out of it. If you're doing an exercise because someone else has told you to do it and you're not getting that mindfulness connection or you're not really in it. There's no point and that's what I love about bodybuilding as well.

29:45Nutrition and training, you adapt it to you. It's an individual sport. You can have people around you supporting it, but your metabolism and the way you train, the way you eat, it all falls on you. So learn the body yourself and adapt as you go. Okay, three left, what have you got? I've lost where we are now. Squat and bench, deadlift, hanging leg raise, incline chest press with dumbbells, shoulder press. Seated carphrase. Seated carphrase. Oh, so you want to get the soleus moving? Yeah, we'll get that one. Okay. Okay. We'll walk over them and then two left. We need overhead tricep extension rope.

30:23Pivoted from the bottom of a pulley. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. What are the cues that people get wrong there? Because this is something that I absolutely love to do. But where do people go wrong? Quite mechanically quite a complex movement. Yeah. I think you can go too heavy too soon and start recruiting and start pulling. I don't know with the shoulder. I think it's important to lock your elbows in a fixed position as well as the shoulder. Make sure there's no movement there. I like to elongate and stretch it out. Not a lot of people go too far with it, but I like to overextend slightly to get a full stretch and a full contraction at the top.

30:56One more. We need biceps, don't we? We've got everything then. What's your number one bicep exercise?

31:05I'm going to say, and I'm going to say, and this is a bit of an outward one, because I've done loads of them today, is pull ups, close grip pull ups. I know it's a back workout, but your secondary muscle is bicep, and the contraction I get off that for my bicep, every week I hit them. I always want to bring my back up anyway, so it's an excuse to just hit the back as well, but I think that's a great overall exercise. given the fact that you've added dead lifts in, what is it that you're finding as a physique competitor that first off isn't massively judged on your legs and secondly wants a narrow torso?

31:42Why would you put dead lifts into that kind of a workout? So I've never believed this with I don't know if scientifically this is right, but with deadlift and I've never I used the deadlift every week I don't so much now I do a lot more isolation on high -prexgencies again because I get a better contraction, I do hypers. I prefer to deadlift, but I do hypers mainly. But with a deadlift, obviously recruits neurofibromusulin in the body, so it's great for an overall workout, but I've lost my train of thought. Why are you using deadlift given that you want to have a small waist? Yeah, like I say, because I train my midsection the way I do, I do a lot of ice attention in the morning.

32:19What's that? So it's basically all about iso -holds. So you breathe in, fully breathe in, exhale every bit of air out of the body and you crunch your abs as hard as you can for three seconds. Standing up. Standing up. You can do that with any muscle part. It's the most monotonous thing a body will do. But it's one of the best things for muscle control, for getting everything tight, for condition. I challenge anybody to do this. We'll keep it simple. Three from the front, three from the sides. You've got three on the bleak on either side. So you've got, so you inhale, hands of your head, as you come down, you crunch, exhale, every bit of air out, you crunch and hold it for three seconds as hard as you can.

33:03It's good to have your top off because you need to seriously do it again. And I crunch, try and do that 10 times and then go to the side and then crunch down, hold, and they do that 10 times and they do that 10 times. Have 30 seconds rest, go again and then go again. I do it five rounds and you're literally dripping you're keeping wet through and the blood volume you get in your midsection is insane. So you can do that with like with your biceps between exercises. So if you're doing a like a bicep curl, you're straight in your hold, you pose a double bicep and you hold, you squeeze your midsection, you squeeze your biceps hard as you can for 20 seconds say you come out and you go straight back into your working set.

33:45It is brutal but if you ever see on a body when people are at the shaking, because they've got no connection, they've got no control of their bias, and they see that happens. Yeah, yeah. These other factors, what can happen? Dehydrated, the tired, that, et cetera, et cetera. But nine times out of 10, that will be down to the fact they've not done any ISO holds or they've not took the time with their posing to practice the posing. And that's something I always pride myself and I remember the first few shows I did on the Olympia stage, we're all back, hitting from the back, and they go, I was like, Ryan, how are you holding that?

34:18How are you holding that? Because they're all everyone's shaking. And it's because eight weeks out from any show, 30 minutes after my fasted cardio, I'll do ISO holes with every pose I have to deal and every muscle group. So it's horrendous. But these are the things that people don't see. So when you look at body movement, oh yeah, you eat some meals and you train twice a day, but it's the little things it's the what I obsess over. because it's okay having a great work ethic like in the gym or having the discipline to eat your six meals and not cheat but it's also the other bits of presentation which is so important.

34:57What's your morning routine? Take me through it from waking up, what time, what do you do, what are you eating, what are you drinking, what movements are you going through? Yeah so typically around five o 'clock we get up and I do a black coffee, I'll go down, I'll have EAAs and Elkhana team and that's like 15 minutes before I go and do my first. The oral alcanateena injected. Yeah, oral, yeah, oral, through liquid, liquid form. And then 15 minutes after that, I'll go and do an hour faster cardio. So 30 minute cross -trainer, 30 minute incline walk. What sort of heart rate is on to? Again, I don't look at that now.

35:33That's, I'm very basic in that. It's a low intensity. It's nothing to do strengthening up in that way. I'll do 30 minute core work or, It's have a 30 minute call work or 30 minute stretch mobility work after that hour and then it's 30 minutes Posing so you do you know what time is it now? So that is seven o 'clock ish half seven. Wow, okay, so it's a very regimented morning Yeah, okay, seven o 'clock. Yeah, so then half seven I'll go in I'll have Yeah, massive breakfast, but uh to most most people it's massive, but for me it's nothing but what does that typically consist of? So I'll always make sure my first meal has every source of approach.

36:14So we've got a good source of protein by available protein. We've got like a way protein or a way isolate. We've got complex carbs, so oatmeal. We've got essential fats through almond butter or almond flakes. We've got blueberries, antioxidants. Are you blending all this together? Are you eating it separately? No, I eat it all together. I don't blend it. We cook it. I put the protein in. I let the I cook it all first, let it cool down, then put the protein in not to degenerate it too much. Yep. Okay. And then yeah, I'll take my multivit, we've got multivit, CLA, Amigas, all that kind of stuff around my meal.

36:53We're now at what, 8 .30? We've got eight o 'clock. Around eight o 'clock. Okay, days about to begin. Yeah, and then obviously my son's ready to, he has his breakfast with me, so I make his breakfast at the same time. I've changed his nappy twice by then. Okay, does that get added into the workout as well? Yeah, it's horrendous. Fantastic. And then yeah, we get him ready and then yeah, I start my working day. So dude, I mean, just that morning you mentioned before we got started, I trained three times a day. You know, I'm good friends with a bunch of CrossFit athletes and they're known for training, slash overtraining.

37:29Yeah. I think from the outside, especially the world of physique, but also bodybuilding, the volume of training is something that people don't really get to see. And part of that is it doesn't translate very well in video. You know, like, understand it because no one's going to show five or six sets of 12, or one exercise, then five or six sets of 12 on the other exercise. Whereas everybody knows what a 20 minute e -mom or 30 minutes of monostructural work is. think CrossFit particularly is a sport or a training methodology that is designed to look good on video. It's quite compelling, it's varied, it's high intensity, bodybuilding is a bit more monotonous, which makes it less exciting.

38:11I think the same thing is true of footballers as well, that the difficulty of training that footballers go through specifically is something that nobody thinks about like you think about boxes, you know, even tennis players, golfers, you think about the amount of time that's been to me when you think about football as given that it's the most popular sport on the planet, I just don't hold them in the same reverence, you know, I don't think that the hard workers, I'm sure that the turns and turns and turns of hard workers, okay, Ronaldo with his top off, insane, but I still don't hold them in that same way, do you know what I mean?

38:47No, 100%. But then obviously we'll talk about just to give you insight like my working day as well So I eat every two hours. So I have to cook at least six meals a day So in that time I have three chicken breasts or No, four chicken breast if I four chicken breasts two salmon fillets two fillets days a day four eggs a day all with rice, white potato eggs Ops So much veg so I have to prep all that that, that's straight after my morning. You're doing that, you haven't got somebody that comes in, you're not just paying a shift to come and do this for you? So I did that for about three months, and I just couldn't get my head around someone else doing my work for me.

39:25And I just, because I need to know, when I step on stage, every part of my prep and every part of my 365 days of the year, going into that show, I know exactly what I've put into your control. Yes. And even my wife, bless her. We had this conversation last week. She tried to shorten my day, but so whilst I was, she was working out, right, isn't it? He must be nearly 15 minutes from this. She just start to make my breakfast, and she put it in the microwave, ready to all that to do was press it on, but I couldn't get my head around it because I was like, are you sure? She was imagining that. There's only 120 grams in there.

39:59You sure there's only 20 grams of almond, and it's ridiculous, but I just feel comfortable. Yeah, I don't make a scene or anything. It's just what I've always done. Quietly chug on, get it done. And when people talk about it, if you see a body book, and then you get this misconception and it's horrible where people are living out in Tupperware and you make a big scene of it and you've got your fish and rice. I've managed to do that for 20 years now and I've never made it. I can still socialize with my friends, I've still got out at night, we go to restaurants if I can't eat. What nine times I tend to eat in every restaurant, you just ask for a plain steak or a plain chicken rest, jacket with tater, some mixed vegetables or a mixed salad.

40:35It's easy. So when this I can't have that, I can't eat any of this because it's not on -prem. You can, of course you can, you just have to adapt and it's how much you want to live in normal society and the bodybuilder which don't typically go hand in hand but I go on nights out, I'll nip out to my car, quickly eat my meal, come back in, the time it takes to go to the toilet so people don't even know like my son's birthday, really sad two weeks out from the Olympia, everyone's celebrating in his pub, yeah, garden pub and yeah just kept nipping off every two hours into my cars, eat my meals back in, no one even knew it looked like I'd want to get a drink.

41:11It's like being a closet drug addict, but yours is protein instead of heroin or something. Went to watch Cree 3 last week with my brother -in -law and that's option if you need a toilet, straight out of the fire, is it? Even me with a car park straight back in. Didn't even know even knew. And I just thought, you don't have to make a scene of it. It's just part and parcel of what I do and it just became the norm now. But yeah, just to follow on from the working day, then I get into my emails like I said, I've got five businesses to run, So we've got property development, clothing company, got coaching company, blood lab, which is a healthcare clinic company, and an RJT limited, which is all my sponsors and obligations there.

41:49So why can people go if they want to get blood work done in the UK? So it's called the blood lab, if you look on Instagram, you'll see, but we have pop up clinics all over the UK, Scotland, Ireland. So we have about 40 to 50 clinics running through the year. and then we've got a full -time HQ, which I've just built in Hale Manchester. So that's open 24 -7. We've got over 20 for the bottom. It's now we've got four. So you have to go to the website, book on. Yeah, but you have to go in terms of getting a blood draw. It's not like in the US where you can go to lab copper. They're local places that can take the blood and send it to you.

42:24Yeah, so you can have it done at your house. We can send people out. So we've partnered with Randox now. So huge huge company who actually can come to your door take your blood work or you can do it yourself And send it off. We like it. Yeah Yeah, obviously not do it yourself, but get a full bot. Let's do it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so yeah What's the website that people want to get blood work in the UK? So yeah, the blood lab .co .uk Go on to there and let you see we do everything now. So we do ECGs echo cardograms We do minus surgery TRT HRT You're like a British Derek from more plates more dates.

43:03So yeah, we're doing a bit. I'm still learning all this out of it. This is something, as I've got older, I've taught more pride in my blood work and that sort of thing. Talk to me about, I mean, if you have access to these bloods, what sort of numbers do your test levels and everything else get down to as you're right at the bottom end of prep? Just how ugly does that look? Well, I tend, so this is the things where I never look at them whilst I'm in prep. So I've got, I've put my faith and trust into my doctor, which I've worked with. I made him on a gym shark, I made him on an Australian, would you believe?

43:36And we came back and we started working together and I just said to him, look, I don't need to know that. As long as I'm healthy and I need to know where I need to be, again, you know what I said to you about? I don't want to concern myself with numbers and analytics, so I want to just... And that's outside of a range and there's something really concerning just crack on. But does he tell you afterwards? Have you seen what it looks like afterwards? Yeah, it's very low. Right. Almost admit with the body fat being so low as well, that is pretty low. But it's just within, I'd say, five or six weeks of coming off the show, getting my body fat back up, just easing off training and all that kind of stuff.

44:11We're a bit less stressed. Yeah, we're normally back into where we need to be. That's why I kind of towards the end, the last few years, I've only ever done one show a year because of how taxing is on the body. I used to live and breathe it and it was just a normal. I used to love it, but obviously we've been a family now. I can't be selfish during the six five days a year. So for me, I just, I have to think of them more as well. Given the fact that you've got this massive Instagram, people have been following you for decades based on the way that you look. Yeah. Do you have any desire to start serving the world beyond just the skin deep way that you show up?

44:49Have you got a plan for that moving forward to actually add value beyond simply being a visual inspiration. Yeah, well, so again, so for me, that was never my intention to be front of house and to, I was always someone who liked to work in the background and be an underdog, you know, whether it was your intention or not, that's what sounded about me. Yeah, you wouldn't believe it, but I would love to do something to help others. And with the blood, for me with the blood lab, I know it's a bit cleatier saying it, but that for me seemed like I'm starting to transition more because the amount of people we've helped now and the amount of people we're educating because it started off as a bodybuilding like field with the blood work but we've now gone further afield it's now mainstream it we're going corporate with it and everything and it's growing it's such a level but it's just educating people more around health and that's something yeah that I've pried myself in so I think without even consciously knowing it that's the where where I'm going now with a lot of things and the exciting project that I'm building in the minute, that's a huge step in that direction.

45:54It might be my retirement, should we say, it might be my way of that transition, that might fill that void, should we say, with competing. Given the fact that you've spent so much time up front being a competitor, how is that informing the way that you show up as a father? You've mentioned that you've got a young son who is just now going to be starting to ask questions, wanting to do things, maybe even looking at hobbies and going and doing. Daddy Jim, daddy Jim, every morning, daddy Jim, so it says to me, we're back in an hour. Okay. So, what are the values that you hope that you instill into your son?

46:33And what are the things as well that you hope that you don't give the 10 -year absence that you had of a father for you? So that is the reason I want to be the best at it in the world because of me not having in that when I was younger. So that is my number one priority now. People say, is that why you probably won't win the Olympia, have you lost that drive? But I think the opposite. I want to prove to people, I don't want to prove to my son. Like he's massive motivation for me. He's my driving force to be able to provide for him, for him to be proud of me. He was at the seat one, I'm going to actually emotional talking about, one A at the Arnold Classic, which meant he was behind the head judge, which every person who loves bodybuilding would want to sit there.

47:12I had my son who was one year old sitting out. I pulled every string I could to have him sat there because I wanted him to seize his dad and to be proud of it, me to win it in front of him and stuff. So he's been a big driving force for me to carry on and to keep getting better for him personally. And with the businesses and all that kind of stuff, one of the business is in his name. So he doesn't know it. He's the director and he will be his company. You're going to direct him in the UK. Exactly. So it's called Alta, which is Alfie Lewis Terry aesthetics. So for me these are all things which I never had and I told you about Growing up with we have a lot of money.

47:48I was from the age of 14. I was told I had to work and I was instilled that hard work And yeah, there was times where I say we never had the best things We never went without but we appreciate money and we yeah, we never had the big holidays all that kind of stuff So this is something I want to be able to to give my son to have the life I didn't have But at the same time I've said to my wife, please don't let me get carried just because we've done well and we're financially okay now that he doesn't appreciate the value of the movie. So this is the next question that I've got for you mate. How is it given the fact that you have managed to be an incredible success in spite because of the limitations and the challenges that you have to face?

48:31You want to pay forward your success to give your kid the chances that you never kids that you and the future. Yeah, the future one. The chances that you never had, the opportunities you never had, the quality of life that you never had. And yet, both of us, the things that we went through when we were kids, have driven us to do things that in retrospect are incredibly proud of, and very well may not have achieved, had we not have had those setbacks. That is very true. This is a perennial question, but how are you balancing the difference between wanting to give your child love and give your child challenges?

49:07Yeah, this is a great, this is a great topic. This is something me and my wife need to sit down and talk more about because I am fearful of that. Like I said, I want to spoil my son. Yes, I want to spoil my son because I want, yeah, I want him to be happy. I want him to be at the same time. I still want him to be even to the point where this is going to sound a bit wrong now, but he's in private school now. Or is there only goes twice a week? He's only two years old. but I'm contemplating taking him out of private school. Although I want him to have the best starting life and the best education life, I don't want him, like you said, the Silver Spooner.

49:44I don't want him to think that's the norm because he's going to school with people who turn up in helicopters and like Bentley's. And I'm thinking I didn't have any of this. And I've done okay. And I wise looked to the world a lot quicker. And it's in its harsh world. And I don't want him to be molly coddled. and he is being to some degree with with my wife and I love her so much for it because she cares for him so much and yeah you couldn't ask for a better mom but at the same time I am fearful that he yeah he won't be ready for the big wild world. It's gotta be exposed to those difficulties man.

50:21100%. I mean this is something that I think about so much especially you know flew back from the US this morning, landed this morning. The class system in the UK is very rigid. America still has this very fluid sort of working to middle and then middle to upper class system. I have bags of friends in the US. All of my richest friends are American, all of them. And they're homeschooling their kids, paying tutors to come around to school, but they come from backgrounds as poor as mine in yours. But they don't have that sort of glass ceiling rigid class structure thing that plays on top of them. I feel it as well with me and I can't wait to be a dad, you know, like when the time's right for me.

51:05But I think about that too, how am I going to be able to give the challenges that I need to to my kids to make them sufficiently resilient because I know how much I value that in myself while not making their life unnecessarily hard. It's very difficult. There were so many variables with that as well. For instance, we've got like a, we've had to sit down as parents. I think parenting is so hard and you don't understand it until you're like in a monk's tent and you're actually going through it where we were getting to a point where I was conscious of this and my wife wasn't. So she was giving everything he wanted, all that kind of, I was the opposite because I could see that he was getting it, he was expecting everything he, wherever he wanted he was getting.

51:50So I was in the opposite way, doing the... So I was purposely not doing... That'd be a strict cup. Yeah, being strict. But again, that has its own problems because you then create a divide between parenting and who's going to be drawn to, who's you going to... Soft touch with mum. Yeah, so we had to sit down not long ago and we are now working in a line in Unison, but again, we still need to find that place because I take him to... He goes to Jim, he's so competitive, which is brilliant because I'm glad we've got that side nailed down already. The reason I put him in that school was it's very sports academic, it's very good and you win gracefully, you lose gracefully, there's no such thing as taking part.

52:26Good. I love that aspect and we've got him in gymnastics on a Wednesday, he swims on a Tuesday, he plays football on a Saturday, he swims on a Sunday. So he's doing what I did growing up, he doesn't sit in front of a TV, he's very active, he's outside, he's flourished every week, he's flourished during every week. So I'm proud of that side, but you're very right in the fact that, yeah, how do we not molecule him too much? Absolutely. So let me give you some insights that I've learned over the last couple of years to do with this stuff. So, the number one behavioral geneticist on the planet, Garkal -Robot -Poloment, so he was the fourth most cited psychologist of the 20th century.

53:07That's a century that had people like Sigmund Freud in it, right? So the fourth most cited he basically has teased apart the differences between nature and nurture more than anybody else in history Okay, every single pair of twins born in the UK between 1991 and 1994 were enrolled into this study They've ended up tracking I think it's somewhere in the region of about 50 ,000 pairs of twins Some of these were separated at birth taken into adoptive or foster families and when you do that Especially if you've got mono -sigotic twins you have one person in terms of their genes but two environments, right?

53:38So it allows you to tease apart what are the differences, etc., etc. When you control for everything including socioeconomic status, household income, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, the school that you'd send your kid to accounts for between 1 and 3 % of their academic outcomes. So if you were to send them to the worst school in the region or the best school in the region, now the problem that you have here, 1 and 3 % doesn't sound like much. Another thing to fold in is that the nurture part of nurturing when you raise your kids doesn't come from you and it doesn't come from your wife. It comes from the friends that they hang around with.

54:17It comes from the father of the cool kid that he likes to go and play with. It's like, my dad's lame because my dad doesn't play guitar, but John's dad lets him play guitar and he gets to stay up late and have ice cream. And if John's dad also happens to be a businessman that is very focused on money, if John's dad happens to be someone that gambles a lot, if John's dad happens to have a terrible relationship with his partner, those are the values that will be inculcated. The single best predictor of a child's future wealth level when controlling for all of the other variables is the average income of the postcode that they grow up in.

54:52So it's the people around them, the nurture element of nature and nurture for children's upbringing seems to be the friend groups that you put them in. So one of the first things that I would do is very, like, and this is something that I think about, you know, when I imagine my imaginary child that I don't have yet, I would go and vet very, very closely what are the coaches like at every single different boxing gym, swimming gym, gymnastics gym, which is the one that I think right, he's got the values. He's the dad that's closest to me. It's close. That's what we did with that school. We went to about four private schools.

55:24They were all driven by like the education side, which is great. For me, I was driven by the sports and the winning side and the competitive. Doesn't sound like a professional athlete. All aspects of it though. But yeah, so carry on, sorry. No, just that I would focus very much on who are the other kids that are going? What are the parents like that go there? I would And this sounds bad, but I would very carefully vet the friends that you're sending the kids round to. And this doesn't mean, you know, they can be from any background that you want, but you want the family to have the right values.

55:56You want them to be hardworking, you don't want them to be materialistic, you want them to understand the fact you don't want them to be spending all of their time on their phone, et cetera, et cetera. And this is where wealth doesn't create advantages for kids because a lot of the time if you're rich, you will outsource raising your kids to nannies, to kindergarten, etc., etc. But they're not going to take this level of resolution. They're not going to look at it this finally. And if you do decide to do that, I really think that the differences that you can see, I would go as far as to say that you could ignore the time that it looks at in terms of school, outcomes, educational, all the rest of it, and simply focus on, do they have the the right values, who are the kids that are hanging around with, what are the activities they're doing outside of school and what are the parents of the kids that are hanging around with, and I think that you will have as much if not more of an impact, not obviously you want to cover all of the bases, etc., etc.

56:53But that seems to be based on what I've read, one of the longest levers that you have for your kids, and I think that you're doing it the right way, focusing on what are the values, etc., etc. But yeah, man, it's a ruthless situation to think that the nurture part of nature and nurture isn't you and it's not your partner. That's true. That's so true. So I need to make sure everyone's around me. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, you know, but think about it this way, man. You have the opportunity to create, and I see this again in Austin, there's a lot of these, um, called home studying. So my friends that have sold companies for tens of millions when they're in their 20s and then I was just getting to chill out and raise their kids on a get on a ranch or whatever.

57:33They'll go and buy 100 acres of land somewhere in Texas with 10 other families. one will be a doctor, one will be a teacher, one will be a physical trainer, one will be a something else, and they'll basically make a miniature village. They'll homeschool the kids altogether, but what they're doing is they're pre -selecting for people that alike the sort of people that they like, that alike the sort of people that they want the kids to be like, and you're going to end up with those communities, I think, unless there's some like weird, bi -product, maladaptive social effect that happens, because they're not sufficiently exposed to different cultures or whatever, that might be a thing, But I think that you're going to see those people having really really great outcomes for their kids now you might get like concentration or a distillation of Bad thought patterns because it's focusing everything not just the good, but also the bad You know like this is how cult start right?

58:23It's you know if you have like a little bit of racism and everybody around you's a racist everybody's pretty racist But I think that that's a good way to look at it and what you have the opportunity to as somebody that has a a platform that has success, that has an aspirational lifestyle, is to not only raise up your kids, but to find other people that have a growth mindset, that have kids, and you go, why don't we work together to make our kid, given what we know, given how we understand that child development works, why don't we work together and dedicate the next five to 10 years to both, I'm going to give all of the values, and maybe even write it out.

58:59This is something that I consider doing. Sit down with four other pairs of parents that have all got kids that are all going to maybe have more that are around about your age and say, okay, let's agree on an agenda. Like you do with the business. You've got brand values for a business. You've got guidelines. You've got a branding guide. You've got all of these different things for a business and you never sit down and do this for your kids. So I think that would be a really good strategy for people to think about doing. Yeah, definitely. But try to that's my wife. Ah, she'll be on board. She'll be on board.

59:29Okay, so what's next? What can people expect from you next? So we've got an exciting year this year. So like I say, we're talking about this on the cab drive over. I, the last two years, I don't know what it was where I felt like I'd achieved everything I wanted to over in the limpia and I kind of just sat back on my laurels a little bit. I'd financially got into a place I wanted to be. The companies were doing doing okay and so I kind of just lulled a bit for two years and that's just not me and the longer I did that for the more I was getting agitated the more I was just not happy myself. So this year, and I said to my wife at Christmas, look I need to go back to who I am and that's keeping busy, keeping progressing in life and that's not necessarily financially or compete, it's just, I need to still for feel and keep doing things, I need to keep progressing forward.

1:00:21So I took on some big challenges this year. So again, I've got a huge project which you're going to take me all year to do, but this is, yeah, setting me up for the next 10, 20 years and it's always been a dream of mine which I've wanted to do and it's just, I've never had the right time to do it with traveling, being in a different country every week and having different obligations and stuff. But I feel like now with the young family and and wanting to be at home or it's a perfect time to do this. So that's as much someone to say on it, but it's gonna be like nothing the UK seems, so it's gonna be phenomenal.

1:00:54And at the same time, we've got the Ryan Terry British Championship. So again, this is a legacy. You're on your own federation now. Own my own show. Okay. It's the finale I won this in 2013, and it's the British Championship. So it's basically the best of the best amateurs in the UK all go head to head to win the British title and you win a pro card and you go into the pro leagues which can then which Federation is this? This is the IFBB. Right. It's affiliated to the IFBB but it's two rows but Jim Shark have kindly backed me this year. So I've done it for four years on my own. It's been very difficult, very hard and it's always just been a passionate mind and I never made money out of it.

1:01:31It was just because he becomes better Francis. Swinging in, last minute, slip streaming, all of the work he've done. Exactly, but it's gonna just put bodybuilding, like UK bodybuilding back on the map. And for me, that's what it's about. I'm not about taking money from this at all. I just want there to be a show where everyone goes to and just comes out of thinking, oh my days, that's what it used to be, because I grew up around bodybuilding from 14. And I used to go to Southport to the Mr. Universe, usually to Batley, Briley Hill, all these dives, but they were just brilliant bodybuilding shows.

1:02:03and the standard of athletes, the thousands of people filling village halls and stuff, and it was just brilliant. And we've lost that. It became a money thing. It became, I hate to say, a bit political, a bit clicky, and we just lost that authenticity. So my goal, taking money out of it is to bring that back. And I'm going to do everything it takes. Some of the things and some of the people who have come into this show already, it's just going to be off the rick 10. We've got the Manchester Arena which we're looking at doing this weekend with the lift event. We've actually hired that out again for the bodybuilding show in October and yeah I'm so excited for that.

1:02:43Unreal. Ryan Terry, ladies and gentlemen, if people want to keep up to date with the stuff that you do where should they go? Yeah, you can follow me on social media, Ryan J. Terry on Instagram. That's kind of my main platform on YouTube or that kind of stuff but yeah well thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Ryan, I appreciate you. Thank you mate. We'll take care.