#635 - Mark Normand - Why Is Everyone So Angry All The Time?

24:23I bet they were happier. You think? I bet they were happier because you had a goal. It's like depression, gotta get bread, gotta get food, gotta get some water. Now I'm in World War One, gotta stay alive, gotta stay alive. Now it's world, you gotta stay alive, you know, though the air raids, rarararar, you know, I think that was at least somewhat we have a common enemy. We got a common goal to survive. Now it's just like this looming cloud of sadness and like, did I get enough clicks? And is this person gonna drag me online? And you know, it's just weird kind of un grabable sadness whereas before it was very like, the Russians are gonna shoot us or Hitler's bad or whatever.

25:03I'm being anxiety. Day! That's good. Yeah, we're in A. And but it's the day, I totally get the directionlessness. The fact that you don't have a single call it an enemy or a life goal or no direction that you're moving toward means that you kind of just get distracted by everything and I think a lot of people have this sense that a lot of their mental time and their sanity is taken up worrying about things that probably don't matter. Yes. That just the number of cycles that your brain goes through per day, having thoughts that tomorrow you're not going to be glad that you had. Yeah. Who it was that says the bizarre thing about life is that it has to be lived forward but only makes sense in reverse.

25:40Oh, that's good. When you think about the fact that you know you look back over the last five years of your life. I thought maybe From ten years ago until five years ago you can kind of oh, yeah I understand I was I was here and that's why I was here and then this thing happened and then that changed me in them Whatever and then you look at now and you go what the fuck am I doing? Yeah, like why what why what what are all of these different Contributing elements and am I doing it right? I might be doing it wrong. Yeah, I'll be doing it Should I even change it exactly? I know it's It's tough because you know when you get into a relationship and you're like, man I want to get out.

26:13I hate this girl. She hates me. All we do is fight and then you break up and you're like I miss her. I love her so much. The relationship was perfect and I think we're gonna look back on it like that like right now It's like this looming. What did you say? Ambient anxiety. Ambient anxiety which sucks and I it it's always in my brain and I hate it and I can't shake it But I think when I'm 80 I'm gonna look back and go man the internet those are wild time porn, only fans, Stormy Daniels, Rachel, we're going to look back and go, wow, that was fucking nuts because we're not going to remember all the ambiance.

26:44We're going to be thinking about Stormy Daniels on your 80. Oh, I like to jerk off to her because I know her. It's fun to jerk off someone who's on the news. You know, you get to see the CNN story and then go right to her like, you can text this right away. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a cookie time, but I think you got to just press on and My thing is I use the internet like you want to fuck with my head Well, I'm gonna use you and get everything I can get out of you It's meaning like post clips do podcast share everything reach a bigger audience So there are perks. It's like fire. I can burn your house down, but it could cook your food.

27:21Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. I think I'm Looking at how to use the internet more more healthily is a challenge for everybody that's trying to make anything, right? Because as soon as you post something, there's inevitable criticism. I know. And posting ghosts is not a bad solution for that or just do a salmon completely torpedo your entire account and just exit the internet at large. That's another solution I guess. That's my friend did that and he lost 30 pounds. He's like happier. He sees his kids more. Because when you really look at your phone and think about it, like you get that screen time thing.

27:55Oh, what a kick in the balls. That is. That hurts. My wife's always like, I have no time and I'm like, I watched you look at TikTok for two hours. Two out you could have watched a movie. You could have read a book. You could have flown to Florida. Oh, not. AI companions are being created to fill the role of sexy and playful girlfriend. Uh -oh. Amaranth is an only fans content creator who is one of the most followed women on Twitch. And now she's releasing an AI companion of herself called AI Amaranth, so her fans can interact with the version of her They can chat with her ask questions and even receive voice voice responses.

28:31Oh, no, I mean guys are fucked Young dudes are fucked It's not good because you used to a young uglier You know, what is this the top percent 10 % of guys who all get laid and then the rest are just in cell school shooters and You know basement My Wonder Funds. Yeah, exactly. So those guys are all going to turn to this. The path of least resistance always wins. So one of the pushbacks that I spoke to one of my friends, William Costello about this evolutionary psychology guy, the problem you have with AI girlfriends is that there is no prestige associated in having one because there's no process of selection.

29:11It's the same way. is saying I subscribe to Amaranth's Only Fans account, aren't I so special? And you go, well, anybody who has the price of a specie's burger per month can subscribe to the Only Fans. So it doesn't make you special. So that's good. His thought, like a slight white pill that's in there is it should be able to solve people that are very lonely, but it's not going to take the place of genuine females because it's not sufficiently satisfying. There's no prestige because you're not being selected and the selection thing's very important. I completely agree and that's good that we if we start praising these guys like my AI girlfriend's harder than your AI girlfriend, then we're fucked.

29:51But the fact that it's not impressive is a good sign because that means it won't be it won't be praised. With AI Amaranth, fans will receive instant voice responses to any burning question they may have. Whether it's a fleeting curiosity or a profound desire, Amaranth's AI counterpart will be there to provide assistance. I got a Chris bot made not that people can access but that I can use for asking questions on Q &A's and I used it and The ease that these guys can do so they could just take every podcast episode that you've ever been on Yeah, run that through a language learning model and there you go.

30:25There's a moderately accurate mark Diggy diggy mark. Oh my god mark. That's a bummer. Yeah. Sorry folks. You don't want two of this. That's not good I'm glad you imagine how ridiculous AI version of you would be. Oh God, I know, I'd be late first of all, but I heard a comic go on stage cause all these comics are word by AI. And he did, I'm gonna read a joke I wrote and a joke that AI wrote in my voice and you see if you can tell. And he did both and his joke was so much better and it made me feel a lot of relief. You're still like you as I had of what the AI bot can write. Yeah, because joke comedy is all context, you know, and computers can't feel context.

31:10And I think that's a big part of it. A computer can have a twist and a set up and a punch, but it doesn't have that little... You know what? A joke bombs as a comedian go, well that bomb and that gets a laugh. But I don't think AI could do that. Someone said on a podcast I was listening to, we'll know that AI is a fully conscious when it exits the interaction and regrets not saying the funny thing that it should have done as it's on its way down this. Wow, that's brilliant. That's killer. Here's a great old joke. You know this is junior stop because joke. Brilliant comedian goes, the Holocaust actually had a lot of mentally challenged people in it, but you never see pictures of them because they're all smiling.

31:54And it's a great joke, but AI could never be that twisted. to think of that. And that's why I love comedy. There was a, it's called dark, is it called darkbot? Which they tried to do a version of chat GPT, but the whole thing was trained on the darknet, as opposed to on the surface web. Yeah. So this is all of the fucked up only access, custom access forums and like dark versions of 4chan and shit like that. And they trained this thing on that. And I don't know, maybe that will be able to do the fucked up jokes. I'm not sure. But I think I would be worried if I was a YouTube thumbnail creator, if I was a middleing legal sort of litigation person.

32:43Yes, that's the worry. Yeah. Or if I was like maybe a radiologist that's looking at scans that are kind of relatively easy to break down. So those kind of, you know, there's still quite complex jobs, but those those jobs that are a little bit more automated. Yeah. I think comedy is probably gonna be one of the ones that's safer a little bit longer at least. Totally, and you like a guy or a gal, you know, you go, I like alley one. You know, even if I don't love that last joke she said or whatever, you just like her, are you relate to her, are you connect with her? And I think with a radiologist, there's no none of that.

33:16Yes, so it's not just the context of the joke, it's the context of the person that tells the joke. Completely, you know, people go, Joe Rogan, that's my guy. That's my guy, he fits for me. We happily laugh at something even if it was totally shit. Exactly. They've got this warm feeling. Yeah, I mean, I saw Joe do a set. It was maybe the first one that I saw of him. And at least, I would say 20 % of it was storytelling. You know, it was humorous or whatever, but it was like, he did this bit about, is it, what's the animal that's got the females have got like a clit dick? Is that a coyote or a...

33:50Oh, is that a left hyena? Hyena, maybe. Maybe I might be a, you're like hearing him talk, and it's kind of entertaining. Well, like 90 minutes into learning about the, you know, the unique physiology of female hyenas or something. This is just a miniature version of the podcast. That's right. Necessarily even to do with the joke. So a lot of the time people go because they just feel comfortable listening to this person's speak. Oh, this is familiar. Also, you know Joe actually gives a shit about that. Yes. And that makes you give a shit a little more. Like he's not this this is kind of funny like he's actually interested in that hyena clit.

34:27Yes, so that helps But like Tom Hanks Tom Hanks. I don't know anything about Tom Hanks, but we love him We love Tom if he's in a movie you just it bumps up the box office tenfold because we all love Tom Hanks We know zero about him. Yeah, except that he's been a retard of a military guy a baseball player, you know an astronaut, but but I don't know what they about it. Does he like chocolate, is he a pedophile, or whatever, but you like him. Have you ever been down the Tom Hanks is part of the Illuminati rabbit hole? I don't wanna go, that's terrifying. We're going. So I don't even know what the Illuminati is.

35:03It's a guy that's in a room with masks on. This one, if anybody wants to look at it, Google Tom Hanks glove Instagram photo. So there's a sequence of people that take photos, famous people that take photos. and I think Tom was taking photos of lost gloves. That was his thing. So you'd see one on the street, and you'd take a photo and you'd put it on his Instagram. And in a bunch of the different photos, people had found chalk text that had been written on the floor below it, and it's downtown fucking Danvor or some shit. So it could just be anything, but people then started putting these codes in on the internet and bro, it's such a rabbit hole.

35:40Oh yeah. It's terrifying. That's so interesting. Terrifying, yeah, I don't want to go. You've seen Tom Hanks' son, Chet? I love that guy. Hilarious. Absolutely wild dude. I love that guy. Good for him. When he stopped that lady, he's like, yeah, yeah, I don't give a fuck. And she's like, you just think it's this, this, this. He's like, yeah, that's what I think it is. And I was like, yeah, fuck this lady. Have you ever had people kind of try and... No, um, flimics you and I don't know how much Newsy interview -y real press shit you do? Not a ton, but I've definitely had people like, so you think this and they keep trying to gotcha you.

36:15And you're like, what are we doing here? I thought we were just gonna hang out and talk or be funny and they're like, but you, so you're saying a lot of say You're saying I'm like, no, I'm not saying that at all. Stop telling me what I'm thinking, you know But that's what we do because they want that clip where they want that that win and it's a real bummer, you know So you you think I ever mectin is whatever I'm like, I'm just saying it's a Pulitzer prize winning drug It's taken by millions. Oh, so you don't think it's horse pal like You haven't heard of I remember mect until two days ago So now you're like wildly angry about it, you know?

36:46Like, I'm not the weirdo here. You're the weirdo. I'm agnostic. I don't give a shit. I'm neutral. Speaking of, I try to stay neutral. Forest Gump and Tom Hanks, one of my friends, is running across America at the moment. So he's doing 64, 65 days, 50 miles a day. So I think a few thousand people have been to the top of Everest. 300 people have run across America. Wow. Yeah. So he's going to be the fastest prick. I could will gouge. A good, if people want to go and check him out, they can Google, Wilgouge and support the run and shit like that. But he's in, where is he now? He's in the Appalachian Mountains in Pennsylvania.

37:24He's going from LA to New York. Good for him. Have you heard this new thing taken over where people do a 12 hour walk? Yes, my friends did this on Sunday. Really? And they say after about six, seven hours, first of all, your feet are bleeding, you know, but your brain goes to these places because we're so used to just being constantly entertained, phone, screen, computer, TV, Netflix. But it just go, oh, third grade teacher. Oh, summer camp. And you just go to these crazy memory banks, and it's pretty wild. All of the times that you am a lester, just gonna give back up. Yeah, yeah, I don't need to walk for that.

37:59But I think this is the new craze. Is this like shutting down, omish, full on disconnect? connect. Well, what's that what's that Jewish thing that people was Shabbat? Is it what's the thing where that is something? Shabbat Shalom where they do that don't use the Sabbath kind of, I think I'm pretty sure it's called Shabbat anyway. It's from Friday evening until I think Saturday and they don't turn on any lights. They don't do any work. They don't blah blah blah. But I'm pretty sure that in really, really hardcore Jewish households, for some of the things that they need to do, they have, it's almost like a Shabbat servant to do things like turning in an Aussie oven.

38:39I'm a weird loophole up, right? No, no. They'll be people in Brooklyn, these orthodox guys, like, can you come in here and turn the light on? You're kidding. I swear to God, you're kidding me. You can't do it. So some kid in the neighborhood's like, all right, and he flips it on. That's so funny. It's so silly. Religion is so many dumb loopholes and stuff like that. Where are you living now in New York? I'm in the West Village, Manhattan. Okay. So he's that on the island? In the island baby. You know granite village that's Bob Dylan bleaker street washing square park the comedy seller the whole thing NYU did you purposefully pick the distance from that to the silence you didn't have to go to footwork Well, I've always wanted to live in the village just being a kid growing up in the South just think about a granite village Wow, you know bill Cosby Woody Allen all the other rapers but You know they would all play these coffee houses and and all that stuff So beat Nick and folk music and all that.

39:32So I always loved it. So I moved in New York, lived in Brooklyn way out, got mugged, got beat up, all that shit, bed bugs, and then slowly moved my way to Greenwich Village. I saw this story from some girl in New York. Women are wearing a safety layer over their outfits in public to deter creepy men with many labeling it sad but necessary. This girl captioned a clip, the real fit is underneath. Apparently it's because of weird men on the underground, others who hadn't heard of this trends expressed how sad, but necessary it is. This is sad, someone else called it, what's it called, a fashion safety layer or the men blocker.

40:12Whoa. But there's all of these stories about just how bad New York subway is at the moment. Totally, yeah. Have you been on it recently? Yeah, I go every day. It's pretty dicey. Really? What's it like? People that live in London where the underground is absolutely fine. Yeah. Where it's also absolutely fine. What's the experience of getting on the subway like at the moment? Well, the thing with the subway is there's a hobo count went up way high after the pandemic. And so the subway is a place where you have a trapped person. Like, you know, you run into a guy on the sidewalk on Broadway and he's like, give me your money.

40:46You're on kill you. Whatever you're like, all right, just keep walking. But the subway, you're waiting for the train or you're on the train. So I think Hobos have been like, I can get people there. The doors are closed. You know, you'd have to run up the stairs or wait for the subway to stop. So I think it started out as like, now they're on the subway, I can get money out of them. But now it's kind of like, I'll also fight you. Why did the population increase? I think all the people moved out or stayed indoors during the pandemic. So the homeless kind of got a little more brazen and like we have the city door selves.

41:17What was that award ceremony where there was tons of homeless people? Was it the Golden Globes or the Oscars or something? And they had to shift. They had to shift a ton of people out that were living in there. There was a bunch of homeless people. A lot of tent homes and stuff and they had to show them all the way inside. The capriots coming. Exactly. And then once he's gone through that fine. Exactly. Well, there was that story about that guy who restrained a dude that was under warrant and arrest and all this stuff and now he's not looking too good for him. I went from hero to murderer in like one second.

41:53Yeah, I fucked. Brutal. That's not uncommon to see, well, I'm sure that someone killing somebody on the, oh, restraining somebody to death is uncommon, but like aggression and... No, not uncommon at all. People getting pushed on the tracks, just getting, I have friends who just got randomly punched in the head, you know? It's just crazy people out and about mingling with millions of New Yorkers. So it's gonna be some tension. It's wild. Especially if you think coming from the UK where we have the underground tons, you know, it's not as big as New York, but it's not far off. Loads of tracks, everything's complex, different layers.

42:31It's the same. It's the same system. Yeah, the tube. It's lovely. Yeah, it's great. It's the most pleasant experience. Yeah. Borderline pleasant. Now this is this is like head on a swivel all the time. I did conversation with a friend Couple of nights ago and he was in he lives in Tokyo and as he gets on a train He was having to text me on WhatsApp in response to my conversation through his AirPods Because nobody speaks you're not you don't know Is that right no one speaks wow and he was so concerned like there was some things where he was finding it we were talking he was laughing. So I could hear him stifling a laugh, doing like a whisper laugh.

43:09Whoa. The subway because he didn't want to make any noise. That's a little much. Yes. You know, I'm really somewhere in the middle of the choking out and the texting, but that leads to a lot of repression too. Like my point being that you can be very civilized. Like with the right culture, you're able to control behavior pretty well. So for people to say, it's inevitable if you've got a ton of people living in a city and they're all gonna be underground, You know, like it's just it's pop for the course. What do you expect them to do? Mm -hmm. Well like Behaving any way that the rest of the world does.

43:41Yeah, maybe I know it'd be nice But that's just not part of the culture and as much as we shit on America and America's racist and full of hate and bigoted and gun -tote and fat people which there are we're pretty considerate and pretty Linient with nut jobs? We're in China, Japan. I feel like if some guys were in Tatter Clothes and it smells like shit and going, ah, I'm gonna kill all of you, they'll just fucking knock that guy out, put him in a sack, tase him, and throw him over the bridge. Yeah, he's gonna make your shoes. Yeah, yeah, or that. So it's up into a desk and make your shoes. There's this company called Nine Line Apparel and they just did the owner just found out about they did a test on the fabric of a particular garment supplier, and they were able to trace all of the garments back to weger workers.

44:31Whoa. It's sustainable. It's supposed to be sustainably sourced, but it's not. And wow. Yeah, it's fucking crazy, dude. There's like millions of people may be strapped to literally tied to desks, just sowing cheap, unreal, fast fashion stuff. Right now, 2023, right. Unreal, and no one cares. No one's doing a thing about it. Not one tweet. Meanwhile in America nobody wants to work because they're like I need health care I need dental I need free coffee I need snacks I need vacation time like my wife used to work at LinkedIn I would go there it was beautiful. I would hang out there It was like pillows everywhere and espresso machines and candy and a and like a What do you call ice cream?

45:14Booth, you know, and you could just go that I'm like this is the chefs were making lunch every day. It was incredible Meanwhile We bought the weavers. Yeah, they got the fucking suicide net outside the Apple company. Apple factory. Have you seen the South Park episode where Carmen gets a job? No. Oh, it's phenomenal. It's from this newest season. But as gets a job at an ice cream parlor and Carmen's jealous because he wants a job as well. But as is is referral and says, that's okay. Like you can come and work. But everyone's like, dude, he's not going to last. Someone makes a bet that you won't last for two hours.

45:49and five minutes into the shift, the boss comes over and Carman sat on his phone and he says, what are you doing? He says, I'm taking a mental health break. And then another five minutes later, he says, oh, it's like take it easy Tuesday. And then I'm looking forward to walk out early Wednesday. Like, it's just by the end of it, he's ringing butters from home whilst he's taking a mental health leave day saying, you do know that we're owning all of this money for the ruthless guy that owns it. And we're the ones that are doing the work. We really should own that place. Yeah, and on the money man like it's those guys they're there's such geniuses because they nail everything and are funny And they never do interviews or anything so you don't really know how they think but they just they got it They get it right every time shit on everybody.

46:31Yeah, it's beautiful and no one fucks with them because they're a cartoon Yeah, well unless they put a image of Muhammad up which that's true. Yeah, that got ugly eight years ago or something Yeah, yeah, well that's a whole another he's like the ultimate Karen Mohammed, you know, he's like hey out there you we're gonna shut this thing down. It's not him Oh, yeah, that's true, but there is his you know lackeys yeah, yeah It was they did Andre Tate as well In the last episode of South Park this season. So they started with Prince Harry. Oh Beautiful. I mean there's a wealth of comedy out there now.

47:08It's so good Megan Markle and you know dollars all as I mentioned Trump it's just what's happening with dollars on she's on only fans you're kidding me I'm a subscriber yeah what do you know what she's doing you know fingering tits the whole thing fingering tits yeah well she's she's going all in she's you know it's a fetish and and I use her as gifts because it's not black but it counts you know it's close enough so I saw this story about Prince Harry has lost a legal challenge over his bid to be allowed to make private payments for the police. You're always wanting jurisdiction review of the rejection of his offer to pay for protection in the UK.

47:46A judge ruled not to give the go ahead, home office lawyers were supposed to be allowed wealthy people to buy security from the police. So I wasn't really too sure about how I felt about this. I don't know what is it. Can you translate that? So Prince Harry no longer has his normal protection from being a royal because he lost his royal status. He, it seems has security concerns when he travels to the UK. So, his plan was to just pay for police to come with him so that there would be a degree of protection, but also so that it didn't chew into the police's budget for which area of the country is it.

48:22Got it. So, you'll have seen the mothership. There is like a low -key couple of cops that are on site. Sure. And they're paid for privately, but they're, you know, like official car, I'm gonna presume that they're not They're probably off duty still sanctioned. Yeah, I think I don't really know how it works Up until I'd seen that I'd never really heard about anybody being able to pay for Private police protection, but it actually makes a good bit of sense because if you don't If you don't allow somebody that's going to be heavily scrutinized and caused loads of you know before amongst the public to actually have some protection.

49:01They're going to have to go in any case to the crowd control. So just let them pay. I get other. Yeah, that's what they said. No, no, they said no. I think there's a big problem, especially in the UK of allowing like wealth in the UK is really, really look down on, especially ostentatious. Yeah, so if you were to say I'm going to use the money that I've accrued to buy the usage of what is typically seen as a public service. It's one of the reasons why people in the UK forget that you can get private healthcare because the NHS is there. So they would happily wait six months for their cancer to metastasize so they can get their scan for free.

49:40Right. Then think about paying for insurance. They'll pay for their dogs insurance. In English bulldog, there will be a hundred bucks a month or a couple hundred bucks a month. Yeah. But they won't think about doing it for themselves. Interesting. And I think that the UK has a bit of a problem with people using wealth, especially to sort of chew up services. Wow. Well, hey, I mean, you know, this kind of feels like the defund the police people who immediately call the police right when anything goes down. What's his name? You know Coleman Hughes? Yeah, I like that guy. Yeah, he's great. He was on CNN a couple of nights ago and they were talking about why We got these increases in crime and homicides and and it got toward the end of the segment and Coleman was like, I have an idea.

50:18What is it? And he said refund the police and they cut the segment. Ah! Shortly after that. We're gonna have to, we're gonna leave it there, Coleman. Thank you. See, that's what bugs we not to spin off and don't know the thing, but that's what bugs me about the times we're living in is I don't, you know, I get that we can't have certain opinions, but we should at least be able to discuss everything. Like, I know that's a different differentiating opinion and then CNN, you know, they have to go with the narrative and they have to go with the check boxes. But let's hear him out, you know, like, like you bring up drag queens.

50:50And I don't give a shit about drag queens. I don't have kids, it doesn't affect me. But just bring it up, my friend was like, oh dude, dude, let's not even go there. And I'm like, why not? That's the weird part to me. No, I'm on a podcast. But that's why it weirds me out, I'm like, so we can't talk about it. But not be able to talk about it to me is weirder than the actual activity. And that's what knowing is understanding. You know, they're like, oh, you got a problem with drag queens? Are you like drag queens? I'm like, no, no, I'm neutral, but I'd like to discuss it. And see if we get somewhere.

51:18It's an interesting situation, but then they're like, shut it down, shut it down, or cut that out. And I'm like, now that's the scary part, the cut that out. What are you so scared of? What is that feeling? Like, oh, this is bad. We're in the red, shut it down, abort. I'm like, that's what worries me. Which because nobody is not allowed to have an opinion on everything anymore. Like everybody has to have an opinion. Right. On absolutely everything. And I just want to learn. I'm an idiot, so I want to learn more, but they just say, oh, like, trans is a big one. I said, what's up with trans? If this is that, they want it, they want it, so with that, and you go, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, and you're like, well, now, now I'm really interested.

51:54It's kind of like when I was a kid, I was, I was an atheist. And you know, you go, so wait, if heaven is real and heaven is blissful eternity, then are you old in heaven? Because that wouldn't be blissful. I'd rather be young Also is my grandma in there and is she old or she and you start asking and they go, ah shut the fuck up Yeah, how dare you You know he talking the the name of God and all this shit, you know the Lord's name and vein and you're like Oh, you have no answer and I feel like that's the same with all this stuff and I just want to learn I'm not trashing heaven. I'd love you go to heaven But I want to get to the bottom of it and they get they start getting angry and that's what worries me my friends got this theory of bespoke bullshit.

52:35Many people don't have an opinion until they're asked for it. At which point they cobbled together a viewpoint from women half -remembered, here say, before deciding that this two -minute -old makeshift opinion will be their new hill to die. Ah, that's fucking perfect. Who is this guy? Yeah, it's the same dude. This guy's on fire. Gwinder Bogel, yeah, he wrote this phenomenal article on tape. He's like, I force this guy onto the show, probably every three or four months or so. And he's basically a digital ghost apart from tweeting aphorisms like that and writing awesome substacts. And I just like drag him kicking and screaming, place him on a podcast and then he scurries away and learns more good shit than I'd bring him back and bring him back on again.

53:13Here's the question, why does he have to be a digital ghost? Because he doesn't want all the backlash and the bullshit, but like we're just trying to learn. That way, it does seem that way. The fact that everybody feels like they need to have an opinion on everything means that you remember the silence is violence. Yeah, that was a good one. Silence is compliance. Yeah. Thing is like, well, if you're pushing people to take a particular position, and you can only allow them to either be four or against a thing, you're going to lose all of the interesting stuff. Yes, just gonna check out of having conversations.

53:45Completely. They're not gonna bother. And it's only silence is violence if you're not saying my thing. You know, like, it's like when people go, we need more diversity and you're like, what do you mean? You need more people look like me. Like, oh, you want, you want to be on the show. You know, you're not thinking about the Pacific Islander, you know, the wheelchair guy. You're thinking about you. So I get that. We're all selfish at the end of the day, but you get to be selfish and mask it with this guy's of moral superiority. Yeah, it's pretty genius. The performative empathy thing is one of the reasons why I think everyone, I do think it contributes to cynicism because it's so hard to work out whether someone's being genuine or not.

54:23Yes, yes. Is this person actually doing the thing that they say that they do because they care? Yes. Or are they doing it because they know that it's an effective current social trend to ride off the back of? Exactly. And you can see which way the wind's blowing and most people I think just go, I'll go that way because I don't want to deal with the eating yelled at backlash and be late. Remember, what is it? Only 10 % of Americans have a Twitter account. So 90 % of Americans don't have a Twitter account. Wow. Which means that, you know, and I think on Twitter, it's around about 95 % of tweets are created by less than 20 or 10 % of the users.

55:05So even there is a small cohort of people from the world who are on Twitter. And within the people that are on Twitter, there is a small cohort of them that you saw almost all of the content. So the overwhelming majority opinion that you see is actually unbelievably unrepresented. They incredibly small and biased. It's all of the people that tweet a lot. You know, there will be something in common that everybody has. It's like you see someone post something negative or there's a flood of negative comments. And you go, I wonder what all of those people have gone in common? Because they will. There will be some things, some elements of personality that will contribute to have that.

55:41Totally. It's not a representative sample. No, no, but they swarm. They'll swarm on you and it feels like a million people. Yeah, John the Hite called it death by little needles. You know, just like, you know, one needle prick, you're like, that was weird, but a million of them coming at you. That hurts. John Hites do some interesting stuff. You've seen that he's writing his entire book publicly at the moment. What does that mean? So he's got, I think it's maybe a sub -starch of some of this sort of mailing list. And he's got this book that's going to be out at some point in the future. and each maybe few pages are each chapter.

56:16As he writes them, he's just publishing. As he goes. And then he's getting feedback in the comments and then presumably we'll be making adjustments with the final book. It's like a comedy. It's like stand up. Yes. Wow. He's doing a live act and then editing. Yes. Based on the discussion. You did a special. I did one yet. It comes out July 25 on Netflix. And they let me say everything. I mean, I really go hard. I was shocked at no notes. So I think maybe things are changing or maybe Netflix wants because any press is good press So when you mean notes it was you were able to submit it and they didn't say We can't have that joke and take the R word out all that.

56:55No holocaust trans. It's all in there and Everything's a joke. Everything gets a laugh, but it's it's all the all the hot button topics I asked Schultz this question. Do you think that there's any joke that is so? extreme that it shouldn't be told. I don't, but I'm a comedian who likes fucked up jokes. He said, is it funny? That's I completely agree. And I was like, yeah. Yeah, sorry. I would apparently it matters. Funny is everything. It's a stand up comedy show at the end of the day. Even if someone has a non -offensive joke that isn't funny, I say get rid of it. It doesn't matter if it's offensive or edgy or whatever, or not edgy, get rid of it either way if it's not getting a laugh.

57:44Funny is a, you know what's that Oscar wild? If you're gonna tell the truth, you better be funny, or they'll kill you. And I think that's so true. And I would say the same for these people who their whole act is like, I was molested. I was the evictum of racism and you're like, that's easy. Anybody get molested or be a victim of racism? That's easy. What the hard part is to get in the laugh. Anybody get molested? That's not an accomplishment. it. You know, it's a, it sucks. But we got to get the ha ha's in there. That's what Sam County, that's why it's an art form and that's why it's fun. It's the whole point.

58:20Yeah. I was using this example. Did you see true Jody? Do you know who that is? I've heard of them, but I don't know. YouTube guy from the UK and he does podcasts. Big guy. Tough dude. Yeah. Yeah. And he's from the city where I used to live. And And he hates Jake Paul. He hates Jake Paul. Yes. I think not massive fan of Jake Paul. He told a joke, him and Andrew Tate had had to run in for quite a long time. And someone asked on a live stream forever ago, what do you think about Andrew Tate's recent conversion to Islam? And Brian Trajordi said he should prove it to us all by blowing himself up. That's a good line.

59:02That's a good joke. Yeah. Like to the legitimate Joe and Andrew said the same. He was like, it was obvious, Mr. Rect. He was playing off tropes. Like it's just, it's classic Joe. Classic. Yeah. And he got within 24 hours, my protein dropped him, gym shark dropped him, Pokestars dropped him and he was banned on Twitch. Wow. In 24 hours. See, that's horrible. And what annoys me about when people were like, he's got money, he'll be fine, shut up. He's fine. You're like, he lost all that. That sucks. That's over a joke. So when they say like, oh, shut up with your complain. You can't, oh, comics can't say anything.

59:38Look, I still say everything I want, but this guy said one quick thing about a guy who's pretty well hated and he's still gotten trouble. Yeah, that sucks. I hate the whole hillby fine because you're like, okay, so let's say you call Michael Jordan the N word at a game. He's a millionaire. He went to work the next day. He's fine. So that, But that doesn't matter, it still should matter. I don't get why calling someone a bigot and then calling someone the N word is not the same. Well, the problem that you have, especially if you look at someone's quality of life based on how much money they're able to earn or how much money they've got in the banking account, completely disregard the fact that status is so important to the way that we feel about ourselves.

1:00:26Yes. Yes, yes. If you have this massive downfall, it's sort of everybody hates you and there's all of this bad stuff. And you know, if someone's righteously indignant about the joke that you made against their religion or their race or their disability or their advertising campaign or whatever, they're gonna be unhappy. But like that person is gonna suffer a lot. You have to be really, really fucking hard -knows to go through a massive downfall. Totally. What was it that Rogan said, like the way that he dealt with his little, his thing a couple of years ago was like, like a moderate dose of mushrooms pretty much every single day.

1:00:58Yeah, yeah. Like that was one of the framework, like training a lot and I did an ice bath and my diet was clean and I took a lot of mushrooms. Yeah. And you think, well, I don't know, man, like, that's a lot of stuff just to do the day. Yeah, precisely. From somebody that's gotten awfully long way to fall, like a crude, good bit of status and goodwill below them. And still, there's all of these things that you need to do. Oh, he'll be fine. Well, yeah. Like the daily psychedelics and the eye -spacal in training suggests that it's not just the sort of thing that you can easily get through. I think it's horrible.

1:01:32I think calling someone a trainee is mean that hurts their feelings. I get it. It's funny. But I get it when they're like, hey, we gotta stop saying that word. And I think the same goes for people who just call everybody racist or a bigot or a transphobic or whatever when they're not. You know, like if I if I kiss you, that doesn't make me gay. I just did a gay thing for a second and if I make a racist joke or say a bad word I don't mean that thing. I just did it for a second You see what I'm saying and that's what bugs me at what point you become gay I think when you're attracted to men, but how many gay things do you have to do before you become gay?

1:02:09I think it's all up here. It's like being a woman. I don't you identify it can be straight Yeah, yeah, cuz it's sucking a dick is a it's just a physical act Act but actually wanting to suck a dick. That's when you're gay interesting. Yeah, so Blow you can blow me right now, and I won't call you gay. I promise That must dash. I want to jizz all over it. Yeah, I've been trying to sort of really Channel my 1970s Miami cop it looks good. I've got yeah, fuck yeah, I'd sit on that I'm a I'm a ranger's fun. I'm a Texas Rangers fun. No, nice Baseball what do I need to know about American sport? What are the skills that I need to be able to watch American sport?

1:02:50Well, what do you mean the skills? Well, you gotta be fat. You gotta be drunk. Yeah, these things Yeah, yeah, what is that what should I haven't been to a baseball game? Oh? I've moved here. What should I expect get a cold beer? You got to learn the hey And then there's also the whole culture of like trashing the guy from the stands like you call that a throw I've seen better throws on a pillow or whatever on a rug You know, and that's all fun in games and then maybe you can catch a fly ball That's big then you got to give it to the retarded cancer kid with the bald head. So there's all kinds of tropes It's fun.

1:03:23It's fun. You got in the sun. Take your shirt off Live it up, man. It's the American pastime. Fuck yeah, I'm inside some flower seeds I needed I decided that I needed a I needed something I needed a sport and a team that I could follow and Texas Rangers Oh, and by what were the reasons we wanted? I did, um, place that had a nice stadium, place that wasn't more than three hours away, place that was owned by racists, and it turns out that George Bush, that the Bush family's just heavily invested in the brand new stadium for the Rangers. I love it. So we go all three. Oh, you're gonna have a blast.

1:03:52I went to, when I went to Australia, one time I went to, I didn't even know the name of the sport. Quick it, quid it, cricket. That was the thing. Was it cricket? Go careful here, this is the sport of my childhood. No, no, that wasn't cricket, because I know cricket. That's got the paddle. Yeah. This was more of a sockery rugby kind of thing. Oh, Aussie rules football. Maybe that was it. And it was amazing. Yeah. Went to the big stadium, the whole play. Oh, I, oh, I, oh, I was incredible. Have you seen a hurling? Have you seen nothing? I reached sport. No. So you've seen the cross. Yes. With the nets, the nets and the thing, and they run like that.

1:04:24Yeah. So imagine that, but instead of it being a net and a little ball, it's a wooden, like a big hockey stick. Mm -hmm. They run sort of balancing the ball and the hockey stick. What? But it means that they can swing this thing. Unbelievably hard. None of the players have got any teeth. It's like whoa. It's kind of the same as Ice hockey without the ice or the skating. Wow Absolutely ruthless. You have to balance it while running. Yeah, so they do this it's fucking crazy man Hurling and they can hit you with the stick and they swing through a lot of the time. Oh my lord. No helmet Can't remember I feel like the goalie's got a helmet, but not them Wow, and then there's gaelic football if you've seen that which is literally like half between rugby and football.

1:05:08So they have the rugby stands with the thing. Yeah. And the bottom bit has got a net and got a goalie in it. So you go to try and score and that. You can get it over the top and there's other bits and pieces. I love it. Well, what about UFC? That's to me. That's my favorite. Is that what you're spending a lot of time watching at the moment? That's my number one. I like a one on one. Like I like tennis too. I like one on one. I like the mental part of it. I like the different, like this fighter is better than this fighter, but he can still beat him because of the style differences, you know, I love that kind of stuff.

1:05:40And I loved learning, you know, Nate Diaz is a character, Connor McGregor is a character, a style bender. You get to know them. Whereas football is just a bunch of nameless, faceless helmets. And I like that where you can kind of get to know if it's more like stand up. I went to Columbia at the start of the year to get stem cells. So I spent a full week in Medellin. and wow, in clinic, like patient partner was Al Jermaine Sterling. Whoa. So I got to spend a full week with him. What's he like? Fucking cool, dude. Yeah. Very just like a chill, not like, it's a compliment, but unbelievably normal.

1:06:15Yeah. Incredibly normal. And I get the sense that if I'd spent the week with sugar shorn, it would have been less normal, it would kind of be less normal. But there are, you know, this is, you know, getting toward being super, super dominant within what's the three time defending champ now? Yeah, something like that. After 135 belt. Yeah. And next fight's going to be against Sugar Sean. So yeah, he was really, really normal, super nice guy. Texted his team on the night they had the fight and wished him good luck and stuff. And that's fucking cool, man. What they're doing. And haven't, hasn't the UFC partnered with WWE?

1:06:51Oh, is that right? I hope I'm pretty I'm absolutely certain WWE UFC I promise you that I'm gonna bring this up I hope it doesn't get too wrestling. Yeah, where are we? Yeah, the WWE UFC merger whoa. Yeah, this is a month old now world wrestling entertainment WrestleMania is the biggest event to do to do On April 2nd the second day of WrestleMania CNBC broke the news that the WWE is to be sold to Hollywood talent agency and Devah group holdings and Devah which also owns the UFC is to merge the two iconic complimentary global sports and entertainment brands to form a new 21 billion dollar plus live sports and entertainment No, they took the money Dana White you cook God damn it.

1:07:39I hope there's not I don't want to see just engage you could hit with a folding chair How far are we gonna take this? I hope they don't mesh too much. Bring the Dudley boys back. Yeah. Yeah. What is it, Royal Rumble, but in the octagon? Right. Now Rogan's going to have to be the new Slim Jim guy. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, funny, man. I don't know. I feel like everything kind of descends towards WWE. Well, it's interesting, because WWE basically what they did was they realized if we got rid of the sport element of the sport and we tried to create all of the drama as effectively as possible. What would we end up zeroing in on?

1:08:19So they've split tested the same way that you have with jokes forever. Yeah. They've split tested what makes a compelling character, an narrative and rivalry, story. So when people say this is becoming like WWE, what they mean is this is descending more into showmanship. What's happened is WWE has captured the most effective way to create rivalry and intrigue and storyline in sport. Yeah, you know what I mean? Completely, 100%. I mean, that's as old as time. Good guy, bad guy, the fit of battle of the strongest wins. And then you get the, we hate you more, you're the heel. And you play it up. It's nothing new.

1:09:04But it works. Well, that's Jake Paul, right? Jake Paul's, you know, professionalized the heel. Yeah, someone fucking said about that when there was talk about before Andrew tape was under house arrest There was talk about Jake Paul this is an Andrew tape fight and you think who's the bad guy Right who's supposed to be the bad guy in this fight? Well, I will take it one step further this Jake Paul in to date But there's also a OC in Marjorie Taylor green. That's also WWE. Did you see the image? The AI only fans in enhanced image of a OC. No, please lay it on me I'm gonna get hard. I'm wearing a bathing suit here dude.

1:09:41It's so fucking good. I text He's very attractive. I texted this to Rogan a couple of weeks ago. Oh Come on. Yeah, that's that's not the nice. And it's so the caption above it says will you give me your guns now and Wait is you give me your guns. I'll give you these cannons The top rated comment was, what was it? This is an attack, quick objectifying the people who are helping to make our country and the place it needs to be and write the wrongs of the past and give way for the future. Was that you needy killed my erection, that good try?

1:10:25Oh man, but that's the other thing is I talked to Schultz about this I think, when the Miller Light ad came out. He's like, look, I get it, women started brewing first, but can we just have fun? Can we just enjoy beer? That's the real problem with the ads. It's not like, I don't think a lot of people are like, fuck women, put them in bikinis. It's just like, I'm just getting lectured here about a fucking poison that I want to drink to forget about my job, you know? Well, it's, I think one of the main problems people have is they just seem like such humorous breaks. Yes, yes, exactly. You're not charming.

1:10:59No. For the people that haven't seen, especially the British people, haven't seen this Miller Light ad, it was basically snuck in under the radar at the same time as the Dylan Mulvaney thing. And I think the lady that's presenting it is maybe an LGBT person too. And she's walking through a museum and saying, women, brood beer, and how did we reward them? We rewarded them by putting them in bikinis and it cuts to a 1990s ad of two girls mud wrestling in all of the street. And it's like you buy a Miller Light and you're in a girls' mud wrestling or whatever, which is true. People that drink middle -life probably are.

1:11:32Yeah. And to that sort of stuff. And then the ladies castigating anybody that thinks that's cool, and is like, we're committed to changing the, and you just think, I think a lot of things. First off, I think how fucking tone -deft you need to be about your own audience. Yeah. How fucking confident you need to be in your share price and your sales figures. Oh, yeah. And how little fun are you? Exactly. So humulus. I know. Like, why can't progressiveness and inclusiveness be fun too? You know, like, what? Also, not to be this guy, but what's so bad about bikinis? Like aren't all these women on only fans very empowering?

1:12:11You know, I thought that was empowering. Like, hey, we're taking our sexuality back. We make money on it. We do what we want. That's empowering. I'm allowed to objectify myself, but you're allowed to objectify me. I guess, but it's not like we, we, we tased the woman and knocked her out and put her in a burlap sack and then said, You're in this bikini commercial or we'll kill you, you know, she that sure thousands of women auditioned and we're like, I got it I got the Miller light head with the twins. Well, do you remember Diet Coke that yes The Buf guy all of the women's structure looking out over that No guy I'm one guy complained about I'm looking forward to becoming skinny fat in middle age And being able to point at that and say that was what caused me to lose my gains I was objectified.

1:12:52I didn't want to be seen as a sex object. Yeah, not just a piece of meat It's so funny how bad I want to be objectified. I would love a woman objectify me. But I guess it's a supply and demand. They get it so much that they're like, I'm annoyed. I've got no objectification left to give Mark, I'm afraid. There's no more. Yeah, it's so fucking weird, man. I just, I really hope that we're around the corner from something that's going to be different in terms of cultural memes. Because I'm kind of exhausted of it as well. Well, I think a lot of people are. And I think it's almost like a fever breaking like these Bud Light and Miller Light and the Starbucks and the Starbucks thing the Starbucks is It's pretty great.

1:13:32It's an old Indian guy and he gets a call from his son So it's the sun pops up on the screen and he's like, ah damn and then incomes his new daughter so that the sun Transitioned so that daughter comes in and he's like, motherfucker You know, he's all angry and the mom's like, come on be nice and he's like, you know what you're right Let's get a coffee and that's the ad. So he's accepted his trans daughter. They bond over going to Starbucks. Yes, exactly, but it's just so forced and I think it's great that he's accepting his trans daughter. That's great and it's all for the love and everything I want everybody to get along.

1:14:07This fake Indian man is accepting his fake Indian trans daughter. Exactly. Then go and shamelessly shill a multi -billion dollar. Yes. Enterprise. Exactly. And my joke was he's I think he's really mad because his brother did the operation, you know The Indian doctor, but yeah, I just think it just feels forced and again, why can't it be a funny ad? Like it's cool with trans person transitioning but like make it fun. Why does it have to be so somber and Educational to the Miller light the Bud Light thing that releasing I I saw this earlier on, Bud Light is set to launch a line of camouflage aluminium bottles that promote the folds of honor program, which provides educational scholarships for families of fallen and disabled and American military service members and first responders, the New York Post -Respond reported.

1:15:01So basically, there is just this permanent flip flop between the two. Now the Bud Light thing, the relatively very unpopular opinion for me to say, I feel bad for Bud Light because that was evidently a small influencer campaign that's some portion, advertising exec somewhere that's not in no position but isn't the fucking owner, right, and isn't the shareholders and isn't all of the people that do most of the things. Some small portion that didn't have sufficient oversight decided that they were just going to chuck this set of cans to Dillamol Vainey not realizing how badly it was going to go down.

1:15:40And now two huge big dick marketing execs have been fired. This has been halted. And now they're trying to do all of this backtracking stuff. So even within that, and I don't think that Dylan Mulvaney is going to tap into the core demographic of Bud Light because even within that, what you see is the desire for people on both sides of the fence to become offended. Like immediately, yes. You want to have this media reaction to be able to go see, see this fucking walk washing, these cooked fucking leftist organiser, they took our beer, like they took everything. And I don't deny that it's a fucking shitty idea, it's a shitty advertising campaign that doesn't target the right people, and I don't think that Dilma Lvene should have been used, but I do also think that going, does this represent how long's Bud Light been around, fucking forever, right?

1:16:35Is this really, oh, finally, here's the mask off, that shows that they were the America, hating, leftist, cook, CCP, sympathizing bastards that we thought of all along. Well, you say that if somebody says one accidentally slightly or not untoward racist thing that that doesn't color their entire history. Nah -hah. But you're not necessarily prepared to give the same, that's good, that's good. To bring freedom to the other side. Great call, great call. So you're saying to the people angry about the new trans guy or translating being the sponsor, you can't just judge it all on one commercial. Yeah, I completely agree.

1:17:14And if you like Bud Light, just keep drinking it. Bud Light's a good beer. It's a good beer and it's very popular. I don't know what was it. They had Bud Light has reportedly told wholesalers that it will buy back unsolved cases of beer that have passed their expiration date. 23 % down year on year sales last week. Wow. And they're doing camouflage print in an effort to boost sales. They're doing all sorts of stuff. So they're, I mean, fuck dude, can you imagine being, I don't know who the CEO or the chief MD or whatever of Bud Light, I'm waking up one morning and going, like looking at your phone and being like, so we're trending, oh, brilliant.

1:17:54Yeah. What for? Yeah. It's not brilliant, sir. Right, right. But what about the whole, any press is good press? Is that just, is that a myth? Cause this is the most press you can get. It's all we're talking about. It's all any, I mean, any comedy club is someone's drinking a Bud Light. It's boom. Yeah. Right to you. Joke, joke, joke. Yeah. How can this not be good? Does Bud Light know something? We don't know. And then every other beer company in Starbucks and all these other doves are doing it. So is there something we're missing or is this just a huge fuck up? I think it's a fuck up. Okay. So I have a friend who has spent a lot of time doing e -commerce and they've split tested bigger girls and they've split tested girls that are fit and he told me we have all of the data.

1:18:40Bigger girls don't sell clothes. Yeah. So when you look at Victoria's Secret, someone that's trying to undo their cis -hatronormative patriarchal, misogynistic presuppositions of what a woman's body shape is supposed to be like, they are paying a price with their top line and their bottom line and eventually some shareholders somewhere that owns fucking 15 % of the company is going to look at a report and say, what's going on here? Yeah. And you go, ah, no, it's this, you see, it's this really cool social movement that we're a part of at the moment. It's like, it's real, it's super progressive.

1:19:15Yeah. It's very good, you know, for the, the Gen Z 15 to 18 sort of left, and he's going to say, get fucked. Where's put the girls that sell clothes back in the website? Yeah, I mean, money. So there is some criticism like get what go broke I have a friend that's done a shit ton of analysis on this and the Gillette ad from a few years ago Didn't didn't impact long term didn't impact their positioning and a couple of others I'd love him to run the stats back on these and see what happens longer term I think really huge brands like a Bud Light or a Nike Nike with a Colin Kaepernick tons of people took offense to that campaign Mm hmm.

1:19:53You see, you know, we're in likeies. Yeah, I'm wearing like, I wear them every single day. Yeah. First off, when it's a product, if the product's good, you kind of don't care. I don't care. And secondly, if it's a big enough brand over a long enough period of time, people forget. True. You know, but like, it may take them, it may take them five years, probably one, but it may take them five years to get themselves back and we realize that we made some mistakes with this thing and it, it, it, it, it, it, it, and they'll be back selling vision soon enough. Of course, of course. It's a fun blip in the whole thing and we get to trash it and make fun of it But I do appreciate the swing they took a swing They seemed like they were the first one to try it and it was a big swing and it fucked up But sometimes you got to try a crazy idea and sometimes it fucks up like like got milk got milk was huge What's got milk got milk was this ad milk was just going down in America everybody hated milk It's just people turned on it got milk was this one ad where a guy's eating a peanut butter sandwich And it's all close up and he's watching a movie and he's like And the phone rings and he's like oh, oh, oh, and it's like you've won the million dollar prize Just got to answer this one question and that whatever the question was was about dinosaurs and they show his wall And it's full of dinosaur posters.

1:21:04He knows everything about dyes got diorama's and all this shit And he's like We're like, we're gonna horror, we're gonna horror. And they're like, we can't understand you. You lost and then it goes got milk. Like a milk glass of milk would have gotten the food down. Right. Huge ad campaign, people at T -shirts got milk. Just billboards say got milk. Milk skyrocketed and went through the roof and it changed everything. Milk stocks had never been higher. Huge milk stocks. So I think Bud Light was like, it's so crazy it might just work. So I think you take a shot every now and then. That's kind of fun.

1:21:37Yeah, I... I don't know, man. Again with the delivery, let's say that this would be an interesting question to ask, you know, the most ardent, like, Matt Walsh. I'd love to ask Matt Walsh. Hey, Matt, had it have been funny or entertaining? Yeah. What would you have thought? Hmm. Like, would it have been, because we said, is there a joke that's so offensive that it should never be told if it's funny? No. I agree. Right? So, if an advert is entertaining and good, should it have not been put out? you go, well, there's probably some limits because it kind of creates role model, you know, talking about kids and positioning and shit like that.

1:22:10But to what 21 plus in this country, pretty much every state in order to be able to drink. So I don't know, it had it been, had it been entertaining, but it was just, yeah, I wondered I wanted to find this out. Can you imagine how much you could sell a Delano Vaney kind of Bud Lightfall? Because there's You don't need six pack of them. That was ever created. If she started huge money. Yeah. Crazy. That's like that monkey NFT. You know, that's gonna be brilliant. That's gonna be a new board, eight. Yeah, a board eight. Board Dylan. Yeah, but I do think there is, they were tapping into something the right way.

1:22:44I think there's controversy can lead to huge numbers and huge sales like trans controversy when you were a beer brand. I guess not, but like Lil Nas X, you know that guy? Good Lord. Yeah, he's not gay. I heard. So he's not gay? He's not gay, it's just all adding on to his brand. I could've got this. Is Lil Nas X? And a lot of people hate him because he's gay, he's a devil guy, he's against conservative values, Christian values. Lil Nas X came out as gay being the only artist to do so whilst having a number on record, but you're saying... I'm saying that was a branding move. Very smart. Marketing.

1:23:20Very smart. Lil Nas X came out as gay and the last day of Pride Month, whilst he was number one, that seems... feels very calculated. Lil Nas X says music industry wants LGBTQ plus artists to be gay without being gay. Ah ha ha. This is pretty good. No, this is just what I heard. I'm not saying it. I want to be more gay. Prove it. Yeah. Blow me. You yourself in here. Yeah. I saw him perform at Austin City Limits. Oh, wow. Last year, like, that's one of those things. You know when you see, you've been to see a ton of bands and the shows are between 1000 and 2000, and it's like a normal band, right?

1:23:58And then you go and see a performance, like a Lil Nas X thing, and the guy's sprinting off stage to do fucking costume changes, and shit in between songs, and it's all choreographed, and he's dance numbers, and then he comes out and he's on a harness, and he's flying through the air, and there's a helicopter, and all sorts of stuff, and you go, oh, okay, this is different. This is something else. This is no longer a musical or a rendition. and this is a fucking like this performance art. Right, right. And I think, which jeans about him is, Bud Light, you have to go buy Bud Light and people see you drink out of bar and everybody makes fun of you.

1:24:32This, you can put in your iPod and your earphones and you still sell the song, but you don't have to be seen with it. No public branding. Yeah. Did you see when Harry Potter first came out and it was super popular and people hadn't read it, but adults didn't want to be seen in public, reading a children's book. They released adult covers of Harry Potter so that it looked blessed children. Genius. So I wonder whether people are going to get koozies that have slots over their bud lights. Yeah. This is corona. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they should do this for Kitty porn. Just put on an adult woman on the cover.

1:25:11And then there you go. That's my last Kitty porn pedophile joke because it's getting a little weird. I asked an ethicist, a porn ethicist, whether or not illustrated like anime or manga child porn is an ethical. Manga? You're like anime. Okay. So manga and anime, like, Hentai. Right. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. I guess it would be called, whether that's an ethical, because let's say that you're able to reduce real -world harm by having illustrations. Nobody's been hurt with the illustrations. The other straighter interesting and you're getting it out a little bit now you'd off to touch a kid because you're getting it out at home real world's Concerns have been a real world damage has been reduced.

1:25:55It's petafile methadone Well, it is a is a child sex robot unethical. Yeah, yeah, that is tough Well, I think this you could say this for Woody Allen like aside from the touching his daughters Accusations he married his adopted kid right? Soon ye. And obviously that's weird, but they're still married. They love each other. Is it wrong? Fucking crazy, man. So I learned about why we have incest aversion. Ryan Long was going to try and do it. He texted me about like, he'd listen to the episode I spoke about. He was like, we're going to try and work this into a, into a set. I was like, dude, if you managed to get this concept into a set, I'll be very fucking impressed.

1:26:38Yeah. So So the reason that your brothers and sisters, all the brother, okay, cool. So the reason that you don't want to fuck your brother is something called the Western Mark effect. So between the ages of about two and I think it's 12, there is a window of time and if you are around another young child who you see interacting with your parents in particular of ways, there is a bucket in your mind that that individual goes into that means that you're going to be sexually repulsed by them. Now, the reason that this is interesting is you can imagine a scenario in which twins maybe or brother and sister are separated at birth or separated perhaps in early childhood and then come together later on and they can find that they've got loads in common.

1:27:25Well, of course you do. You share maybe 50 % or 25 % of your genetics together. So they go apart and then they come back and you go, you know, how disgusting is it? How terrible is it for brother and sister to have sex? You're like, it's pretty bad. They're gonna procreate. It's pretty bad. But the reason that you have an aversion to it has got nothing to do with your genetics. It's everything to do with this western mark window. And the same thing happens. Interesting. With fathers. So if you have an absentee father, you know, a lot of single mother households and stuff where kids grow up in, father leaves comes back into the daughter's life.

1:27:59perhaps at 16 for whatever reason and maybe some data issues might contribute to it. But generally, there is a lack of incest diversion that goes on there from sleeping with it. So you've got this father that comes back in, the abandonment finally being accepted by a man, a man that I have a lot in common with, of course you do. You know, he's literally 50 % of your genes. So yeah, pretty fucking crazy. So this Westamark window is a key period. And you can also have another way adopted siblings who are not genetically related can find massive incestivision to each other. Because they just went through that window together.

1:28:39Yeah, wow. How cool. That's super cool. And I'm lucky because my family is not attractive. So that helps. But wow, that is thank God for that's a good advertisement for the nuclear family. Keeping the family together to make sure that you keep your brothers and sisters apart. Yeah, yes, clip it. Fuck yeah, that's a great commercial. Target partners with a satinist brand for Pride Collection live laugh lesbian. A new Pride Collection introduced by Target includes clothing made by a UK -based brand whose designer has expressed satinist views. A London -based company created t -shirts and tote bags that include messages like live laugh lesbian, cure transphobia, not trans people, too queer for me and we belong everywhere.

1:29:26They made kids. It was after a devil liking the devil. They also made some like Satanists. Okay, okay. Apparently also sells a pearl that includes satanic imagery including pentagrams, horn schools and references to the devil. So here's a thing. Did you see, was it Sam Smith? He performed as like a big black blob kind of thing? Yeah, white guy, but like big black blob. Oh yeah, he was wearing a black. Yeah, inflatable kind of stuff. He came out and he was like, there was double horns and whatever, whatever. and a bunch of people, especially sort of Christian commentators, like, yeah, you see, it's this, say the nice thing.

1:30:01And I get it, but it does seem like the more conspiratorial elements of America. I don't think that it's great to have a devil upon stage, but I don't know. To me, there's no more existential difference between that and it being Mickey Mouse, or it being, you know, like, for anything else. It's just a point. It's all fake. Yeah. Yeah. I don't believe in the devil either. No. But like if you had Santa Claus up on stage, it's what he represents. It's like well, but the difference is that the devil is equated with evil. Yeah Santa Claus Like if you had Thanos if someone went up and they were right right right Darth Vader.

1:30:36Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's just it's the Moral panic to some regard over like satanic imagery. I Don't know my position on it. Yeah, I might come back come around to it in a couple of years time I mean, so actually, yeah, no, fuck, we can't have this. It's turning all of the kids into Satanists. Right, well, it's funny what imagery you're allowed to have. And like, somebody, I can't remember who some community had a great bit about how as a kid, you could dress up as a pirate. And pirates are rapists and thieves and pieces of shit, like drunkards, and they would steal your boat until they'd take your money and your women.

1:31:06They're legit. Yeah, but like if you dress up as a Nazi, you're a piece of shit. But like, they're both evil. Pirates are one of the few fancy dress categories that as of yet the cancellation, how many? How's it going? Yeah, that's true. I think because there's nothing it'll take from them, except, I don't know, an eye patch. Or, I don't know, it's all these like a, like a Captain Phillips. Did you ever see that movie? Yes. Yeah, those are pirate. Those are the modern day pirates. Yeah, if you dressed your son up as a Somali. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But it's just weird how like Tony soprano is like this praised guy.

1:31:41He's a cool guy, but he's a fucking sociopathic murderer. Yes. You know, but we we pick and choose like well he had a family and he was funny and likable, but he was a murderer But that's the thing if you're able to be charming and funny and entertaining with it people will allow so much Oh, yeah like Barack Obama I don't know I don't think about politics, but all I hear is he killed millions of people and all these innocent families and he bombed them But he's cool as shit and good looking good speaker fun recently narrated a series on Netflix about nature I think yeah nature shit I don't give a fuck that he did all those things.

1:32:16I mean, it's horrible, I guess, but I, you know, I'd have said out of mind. Well, wasn't that the same Bill Clinton's widely regarded as one of the most charming people that's ever totally, totally. Anybody that's ever met him in person felt like they were the only one in the room. Yes, yes. There's all of these stories, millions of stories that I've heard about this. And you go, you can see why you managed to get through all of the different scandals and all the rest of it. So yeah, there's a charm, I guess goes a long way. It's like Samuel O 'Jackson. It's one charming motherfucking pig. Pulp fiction.

1:32:46But yeah, like he's like I don't dig on swine because It's the same reason we don't need dogs. They're charming, but we pigs because they're gross and ugly. Didn't you want to say that charm is makeup for men? Yes, wow good memory Well done. What do you mean? Well, I mean like like you know when you have sell like a one -night stand Most guys typically want the lady to get out of there because we don't want to be charming again It's a lot of work being charming is exhausting. So like you just want to be done with it And I think women feel the same way where you're like hey, you want to come over and they're like ah I'm not wearing makeup But I want to put it on and put on an outfit.

1:33:20I mean my pajamas here. So that's our our makeup Charming confidence I'm not confident But I got a fake it on a date you're gonna put the effort in yes You're gonna ramp it up the fall hunt exactly so when guys like I need this girl out of my apartment and it's just because I need a minute, I need a break to be myself. Yes. To fall and pick my feet and yeah, my wife, lover to death, but when we started dating, I would go on the road and I would come back and you know, be a six hour flight and she's like, come over and I'm like, I would lie and say my flight was later. Just to buy me a couple hours at the house where I could just fart and be a shithead and take a dump and watch a couple of minutes of YouTube and all that.

1:34:01Wow. Yeah, and she's like, you don't like me? She took a person, I'm like, no, it's not even about you. It's just me I gotta be a piece of shit such a decrepit awful hate hateful creature Yes, you need you don't want to see me like when I'm like this right because it's like a they got the Kiwis on their eyes Yeah, don't look at me. Yeah, I haven't got my makeup on yeah, exactly. That's our version. Yes Very fucking good Mark Norman ladies and gentlemen What have you got coming up next people in Australia? Can they buy tickets buy tickets? We're adding shows like crazy I go I don't know when this comes out.

1:34:32It'll be out in a week Okay, great so I'll be there now tickets are still on sale going to New Zealand Perth Brisbane, Adelaide Sydney you name it and then You don't say new tour announcement coming out in August the tickets are on sale now They're on my website and a new special in July. Fuck yeah, it's all happening things are cooking. It's all downhill from here Appreciate you, man. Thank you. This was fun