In short
Podcast Summary: Modern Wisdom - Episode #679 with Sara Saffari
Episode Overview In this episode of the Modern Wisdom podcast, host Chris Williamson engages in a candid discussion with Sara Saffari, a fitness model, influencer, and YouTuber. The conversation explores the realities of dating in the Gen Z landscape, the evolving perceptions of attractiveness, and the implications of social media on personal identity.
Key Themes and Discussions
The Muscle Mommy Movement
- Definition & Reception: Sara discusses the emergence of the "muscle mommy" movement, where the ideal female body image has shifted from thin to fit and muscular.
- Community Engagement: Women are reclaiming terms like “muscle mommy,” showcasing strength as an attractive trait.
Physical Appearance and Attractiveness
- Changing Ideals: Sara reflects on her experience growing up amid changing beauty standards, from being skinny to aspiring for a more athletic physique.
- Confidence as Key: She emphasizes that confidence plays a crucial role in attractiveness, often more than physical appearance itself.
Dating Challenges for Gen Z
- Immaturity in Male Peers: Sara observes that many Gen Z men lack maturity, affecting dating dynamics.
- Cultural Influences: She notes the impact of social media on dating expectations and interactions.
Online Presence and Influencer Culture
- Rapid Fame: Sara shares her thoughts on the fast-paced rise to fame that influencers experience and the pros and cons associated with it.
- Financial Independence: She highlights the benefits of her online presence, allowing her to support her family.
Social Media's Impact
- Attention vs. Scrutiny: Sara discusses the duality of being an influencer, where increased attention can lead to both opportunities and challenges, including unwanted scrutiny and stalkers.
Discussion on Femininity and Feminism
- Role of Social Media: The conversation touches on the pressures that social media places on women regarding body image and femininity.
- Navigating Expectations: Sara reflects on the conflicting messages young women receive about their roles and how they should present themselves.
Personal Growth and Future Aspirations
- Health Journey: Sara shares her personal journey from being underweight and insecure to finding her strength through fitness.
- Career Goals: She expresses her desire to continue growing her online presence while considering potential career paths beyond influencing.
Key Takeaways
- Shift in Beauty Standards: The movement towards muscular body ideals represents a significant cultural shift.
- Confidence Over Appearance: Confidence remains a critical factor in how women are perceived and how they perceive themselves.
- Challenges of Influencer Life: While being an influencer can provide financial opportunities, it also comes with personal risks and challenges.
- Dating Dynamics: The maturity level of young men in the dating scene poses challenges for young women.
- Social Media as a Double-Edged Sword: The impact of social media on self-image and interpersonal relationships is complex, intertwining empowerment with scrutiny.
Conclusion This episode provides a nuanced look into the life of a young influencer navigating the complexities of societal expectations, personal aspirations, and the ever-evolving landscape of modern dating. Sara Saffari's insights into her experiences resonate with many young listeners, reflecting broader themes of self-acceptance, growth, and the challenges of digital fame.
Resources
- Follow Sara Saffari:
- Instagram: [Sara Saffari](https://www.instagram.com/sarasaffari)
- YouTube: [Sara Saffari on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeUq3Xz2Ttm7i5tTcDk5mLg)
- Chris Williamson on Social Media:
- Instagram: [Chris Williamson](https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx)
- Twitter: [Chris Williamson](https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx)
- YouTube: [Modern Wisdom Podcast](https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast)
Extra
- For more insightful episodes, check out:
- #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life
- #712 - Dr. Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs
- #700 - Dr. Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain
*This summary encapsulates the core discussions and insights from the podcast episode while providing a structured format for easy reference.*
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Talk to me about the muscle mummy movement. I'm hearing about it on the internet that guys There's like a move away from thin spell to fit spell to now muscle mummy, which is the step up and even though you only just heard about the word today It feels like you're part of that movement. Yeah people have been commenting like guys comment on my posts like muscle mummy sometimes and like I'm not gonna lie kind of like it But today was the first time that I've heard women addressing themselves as muscle mommy or each other as muscle mommy Jim shark did a muscle mommy t -shirt. Yes, and I was at the event and I like even you know girls talking on the intercom or whatever they'd be like, okay, muscle mommy's like Let's keep pushing and I was like I've never heard this like I haven't heard like women addressing women as muscle mommies I thought it was more of like a like kind of joking, flirty type thing that guys comment on girls posts on Instagram.
0:53Taken the word and made it your own. So, you're 23? 22. 22. You probably growing up would have seen body types change from, I guess, when you were maybe 11 to 12, 13 through to now. For sure. Talk to me about that ideal female shape and kind of the lessons that you talk about, what an attractive woman is physically over time. For me, growing up at first I was really skinny and then through high school, I would always inflectuate and wait. I'd go anywhere from 130 pounds to 100 pounds, which is a pretty big difference when you're already way kind of low. But I would always be told by my mom, confidence is what makes you most attractive.
1:42like it's not what you look like, it's who you are and how you carry yourself. Sorry. And so that's what, you know, I was taught growing up. But for me personally, if I ever saw a girl with abs, I loved it. I loved the look of it. I thought it was like so. I don't know, attractive to me. Like that's what I was aiming for. That's what I wanted. But I never knew how to get there. Like I didn't know like, oh, how does a girl get abs? Like I thought it was just all genetics. but no, diet comes into play, working out, comes into play. So. And now does this move? You remember when thigh gaps were a thing, when everybody wanted to thigh gap?
2:21Bro, yes, I remember being at lunch in high school, and girls would look at each other and be like, oh, you have it, oh, you don't. The most toxic thing ever. I remember I didn't have one at the time, or I don't think I ever had one. But I would go home and I'd beat myself up about it, because girls would be pointing out how it's good to have a thigh gap. And it's interesting, like the internet's kind of become very obsessed physically with the way that people appear, like both guys and girls. Guys are getting legal, lengthening surgery. You see this? I don't know about that. Yeah, they get the, I'm pretty sure it's their shins extended.
2:53Yeah, they break the shin, stretch it a bit, the bone re -grows, they break it again and keep on going and guys can add inches to their height. At my point being that people like optimizing for really weird kind of, not arbitrary, but they're optimizing for like weird stuff. Yeah. One of the things that nobody ever talks about is that sort of Houghtonous or sex appeal that people have just from the way that they hold themselves. Yeah, I'm from the way that they act. I think that that has a Huge amount of appeal to people even if you don't want to admit it. I think if someone is confident it can make them from a six to an eight Depending how they carry themselves.
3:27I think for sure it can and obviously online dating and spending tons of time on Instagram Negates a lot of that like you don't get to see that even in a pose because somebody can pose themselves in a sexy way. Oh, that's not true. And not have the confidence to be able to pull it off face to face and vice versa. Yeah, for sure. So you have managed to gain quite a bit of notoriety in a very short space of time. I think the number one job or occupation that young kids in America say that they want when they grow up is influencer or YouTuber. And in China it's astronaut or like some other, some other cool, like something that's way less blame.
4:05Yeah, um, talk to me about this rapid gain in status for guys. There's an obvious advantage at least on the surface. Yeah, for sure. More people know me, I have status, girls will like me. But for a girl to gain millions of followers in basically no time at all, I know that that seems interesting to me that there's there's probably more advantages that people wouldn't see and then some disadvantages who wouldn't see as well. So what's that been like? Yeah, I think for me, I'm not gonna lie. I think the money has been a great part of it, but for me, I'm not someone who spends my money on materialistic things.
4:42Like I was just telling you how I have fake shoes on. Like they were hundred bucks. You've blown it to the internet. Yeah, they know. I think if they know, they've watched my content, they know that I don't like splurge. You know, I save all the money I make, like sure, maybe when I go to internet, I can eat a little bit better. Like I can order the fries or order the four by four instead of just like the single burger. But for me, like the money's nice because now I know I have the power to, you know, if my mom needs a new car, I can be the one that does that for, or like, you know, we're looking to like moving out, maybe getting a new house.
5:15I know that I can pitch in and carry my weight financially and something like that. So I think just like not necessarily physically having the money, but having the peace of mind, of knowing that, you know, I can support myself or my family. And what's the increase in attention being like, you just came from this big gym shark event that we were both at. Yeah. And you got swamped by men. You say that 90 % of your audience is men. Yeah, that's all that's. And you're a five foot three. Hey, five foot four. Give me a break. I'm kidding. You're a, you're a small girl that's being surrounded by a shit ton of men.
5:53Yeah. Like, talk to me, talk to me about this. Like this is in some regards, like a nightmare scenario that girls literally would hate. And then in other regards, this is the price of doing business for you. Yeah. For me, like today I realized how many people came up and was like, so you're really funny. I love your content. And I think that's the best compliment for me to get as being like, oh, you're funny. Or, you know, it's more than just like, oh, it's just like another hot girl on Instagram posting bikini pictures. Like if they find some kind of value for my content, And even if it's just humor, like sure I'm not giving anything educational, but if they are laughing while watching my videos or watching me fuck with Bradley or, you know, whatever it is, like that makes me happy.
6:34Because I know like after I watched like a Danny Duncan video or a Jitty on video, like I feel good, you know, like I was laughing through the 10 minute video. So what about the negative sides of the attention? Have you had many? I've had some, I've had some like maybe the best not to say them to not dress like very much attention to those things, but I've had some weird or bad experiences with people. But for the most part, it's all been good. I feel like regardless whatever I involved myself with, even if I was using my degree in working a nine to five job, it wouldn't all be good. There would still be some bad days.
7:12There would be arguments with people I work with. There would be downfalls and other aspects of working at an office from eight to eight I'm definitely seeing a move online of like this one of the dudes from the UK made a video called the Jim Bro culture 2 .0 and he was talking about the move from the more like Ziz era exclusive body side stuff to a more holistic integrated it's life advice it's an older brother rather than a party friend typing yeah I would be interested I definitely think if you look at trapped in the, it's all about your condition, your tan, the size of the bikini. And I wonder, I don't know, like if you have a personality as a girl who's also into fitness, whether some people, and this is the same for guys too, whether they almost feel like, if I let the weirder side out of me, that this is going to, I don't have many role models that do that.
8:16Or if I let them all intellectually curious side out of me, that this isn't what people want on the internet because all they want, I need to be leaner, I need to be bigger, I can't show any personality. And it seems like it feels to me a little bit like the tides shifting with that. Yeah. No, for sure. I think it is shifting. I think that, you know, there's people on social media. I know there's one guy that works out at Zoo Culture and he does not have the traditional body type, like, whatsoever. But he is the funniest person online. He is super caring like he'll always ask me like hey, I want to do this bit like would this be okay with you Like I want to be respect.
8:56Love you would this be okay with you like it's just he crosses like all You know he checks all the boxes to make sure he does does a good job and he's so funny online his name's Felipe But he is so funny, but in no ways would you look at him and think oh, that's your typical like influencer bodybuilder Talk to me about this new trend of girls tick -tockin guys looking over while they're doing videos You spend a lot of time in the gym in the age bracket your big on TikTok your big on social media platforms Give me your lay of the land. What do you think about this trend? I think I think sometimes guys looking at girls depending on you know the age gap I Think the age gap does matter.
9:38I think you know if you're a 22 year old girl and there's a 25 year old guy like just you know Glancing over here and there like without like constantly staring you know, might be his way of shooting a shot or whatever. On the other hand, if he's 55 years old and like, he's just continuously staring at you, that could be off. But then he also might be looking at you because you have a camera propped up and he's like, what is this girl doing? Like, I don't know what this is. You know, or he might want to try to not be in the frame. Why do you think this is happening? Why do you think that this trend is occurring?
10:08Like, do you think that these girls actually feel this way? Honestly, no. I don't think, I think that like, you know, sometimes maybe they catch it in the moment and they think like oh this is what's gonna make me blow up. Because I see myself as a very like I'm constantly aware of who's looking at me or my surroundings or whatever or you know if I'm walking out of the pool and I see a guy look a little bit too much I'm like can I help you? You know I'm constantly aware of that but never have I been around other girls and I see them being that aware of things. Not usually I feel like girls aren't usually that That aware of it.
10:46And I suppose when you're videoing yourself, and you watch it back and you go, oh, like, oh God, oh. That too external awareness almost. Yeah. Yeah, so he was the thing that I thought when that main huge video went out and you go, what he did. And then she did the apology and a Joey Swole like found his new content up. Mm -hmm. What happened there was people that spend a lot of time on the internet use other stories from the internet as a guide, a guard rail and a guideline for how they should behave as well. Lots of girls looked at that situation. And if you'd said to me, if you just shown me the video in isolation, I couldn't see the comments, I couldn't see the likes, and said, what do you think's the response to this?
11:30It could have gone either way. I could have seen it as a coin toss that the internet would have flamed the guy and said, that's too much, that's out of order and cited on the sort of victim hypersensitive side. Yeah. or they could have gone the way that they did go, which is he looks over three times in 90 seconds, you're pointing a camera at him and you're shorter in your ass. Yeah. What did you expect? And you can't do a glute bridge. Like, what'd you expect? Yeah. So what happened, the way that I saw it, and this is kind of why it's so interesting, lots of people that spend lots of time on the internet, look at situations like that, that are kind of landmark opportunities for a common scenario to play out online.
12:07and they use the way that that fall out occurs as a barometer for how they should feel if it happens in their life and future. Yeah. I see, yeah. Because the pushback was there, lots of girls now realize that, oh, if a guy looks over three times in 90 seconds while I'm doing a glubrige, maybe that's the sort of thing that I don't need to be too concerned about. The problem is it could have gone the other way and that now lowers the ceiling for guys to be scared that if they look over too much, whether they mean to or whether they don't, that they're gonna be in trouble, but the other one is it makes an increasingly fragile generation of young girls who feel victimized and concerned if a guy does look over.
12:48Well, I saw this video on TikTok, and the whole internet said that they need to, if this happens that that's unspeakable, and I've heard about the dangers of me too, and I shouldn't walk alone at home at night, this is too much. So it almost, you're almost outsourcing your anxiety level to the internet. Yeah. And it's purely by fortune and, you know, like the way that the internet responded, that that didn't reset most gym girls' expectations, that that's something to be scared or offended by. Yeah. But also coming from the other, you know, other side, I, I can see myself like if a guy is squatting, I could see myself looking over not because I'm trying to hit on him, but because I'm like, wow, his form is so good, or wow, he's breaking 90 degrees, or his knees are being pushed out very well, or that's a lot of way, oh, how many reps is he gonna go for?
13:38I can totally do that in a non -sexual way, whatsoever. How do you hit on guys at the gym? Have you ever had to do it? Yeah. No. It's just all inbound for you in Zinc culture. No, I'm not saying it's all inbound, but I'm saying that I don't think the gym is necessarily where I'd wanna be approached, so I don't think I'd wanna approach someone in the gym. Why wouldn't you wanna be approached in the gym? You like it. Bro, it is the only two hours out of the 24 hours that I get to enjoy. Why? What else are you doing for 22 hours? Lying in bed, doing homework, eating, sleeping. Like it's my like two hours of like, you know, Friday nights people like, you know, go out with their homies, have a good time.
14:15That's every day for me from the hours of 11 to one at the gym. What about when you finish your masters? What are you gonna do then? Maybe I'll get a PhD. I'm kidding. Well, talk to me about that. Okay. So how much harder has dating been for you with all of this attention? You can't go, it's going to be like, if you go for dinner with somebody, if you go out on a date with somebody, the difficulties increased exponentially and now it's all of a snapshot. Yeah. I, yeah. It has made things harder for sure. Especially if like, you know, the person you're seeing or your with doesn't do what you're doing.
14:49So they don't understand that sometimes like, for me, like, I don't drink. But going to an event, sometimes I have to go because I think like, oh, what about the business connections I could make from going to that event or the people I could meet or whatever not, you know, not in a relationship into it way, but in a business relationship type way. And I feel like sometimes it's hard for people that aren't doing this. Be like, well, no, you don't have to go to that or you don't have to go to Vegas for this or you don't have to go to Miami for that. And I'm like, well, no, I don't have to, but I feel like there would be connections there if I did go.
15:22Also, I suppose if someone is in the industry, they get injected into this level of surveillance and scrutiny that you have that they didn't sign up for. And now you're like, oh, why don't we go see Oppenheimer or whatever. And you go, oh, by the way, people might come up and ask you to take a photo of them with me. Yeah, that's interesting. Talk to me about guys your age. It's like this, a fucking moral panic on the internet about Gen Z men, especially the pathologically fapping their way through a monster energy -fueled video game and porn binge. Like, what are Gen Z guys like? like the ones that you either grew up with or sometimes try and speak to with regards to dating or anything.
16:06How do you categorize them? How do you classify them? I feel like there's a lot of growing to do from the age of 22 to 27 for men. And I think 22 -year -old men just aren't there yet necessarily. And I think that I am pretty mature for my age. And I think the guys that I've counted for the most part just aren't there yet, they're just immature, maybe caught up with kind of a younger mindset. Yeah, so what are they doing? Like what are they, what are they prioritizing? What are they concerned about? I think they prioritize friends to get them out, which isn't a bad thing. I'm just saying friends a lot, parting, going out, you know, drinking, drinking, I wonder how much of that's an LA thing.
16:55I think a good amount of it might be an LA thing. I think if you go like to a rural town in Kansas, maybe it's not as much. Yeah. Have you heard of slow life strategy? Do you know about this? Slow life strategy? Yeah, so it seems at the moment based on the data that Gen Z, both guys and girls, a little bit younger than you, you would probably be at the very front of this wave. getting a driver's license later, moving out of home later, getting a job later, not partying as much, not drinking as much, not taking drugs. So they've got generalized risk aversion. They're not doing the risky things that previous generations over that age would.
17:33But they're also not even really doing the adult things. Like the number of 16 to 20 year olds who don't have a driver's license is the highest ever. Really? You think COVID had a, like, a pushback in that? Maybe. Maybe it could be that people just... more isolated, stopped. If that's your formative yours, if you're 15 and COVID hits, and you're 18 and COVID finishes, you've just grown up, all you can remember basically being the person that you are, is this hermit at home playing Fortnite or whatever. But what it makes me think about is, what when these people do need to grow up, you mentioned young guys could do with maybe growing up a little bit more quickly.
18:17Yeah. If they want a chance and it makes me wonder whether that's going to keep getting pushed further and further and further and further and further and further. Hopefully not. But I don't know. It's a... I think for me, one of the biggest turn -ons or pluses a guy can have is being motivated or dedicated to something. Even if that's plumbing, you know, just something that like every day you want to do and work towards to being better at, whether that's the gym or a job, plumbing or being a dentist or being an astronaut, like whatever, just something to work towards rather than just laying back and kicking your feet up and just enjoying day by day.
19:02That's great and everything, but I think you have to have something that every day you're trying to improve. Drive and motivation and ambition, I think, are very sexy and competence as well. Yeah, like if you can manage to hit the sweet spot with a partner of someone who you are attracted to but you would admire as well Holy fuck like you've got a partner that's your role model. Yeah, that's an unbelievably potent cocktail. I think for attraction I didn't I it's so strange to think about What that is for girls? Because you know guys can just go out and get their drive and and do the things that typically are sort of masculine traits Be very interested in what the equivalent is for a girl.
19:44You know, like, what is it that a guy would find in feminine traits that they want to absorb into themselves? Do you know what I mean? I don't know. One time I was on Brad's part and I was like, oh, like, I don't cook or clean. And then everyone was like, I still don't live those comments down. I'm like, okay, I've been practicing now, but I will never live those comments down like, oh, like, why would you ever want her? She can't cook or clean. She's Christ. We're just getting made. If you're that bothered, like, you don't need a wife. You need a maid. Yeah. I was like, bro, I'm not going to, I mean, I don't I think I could ever see myself doing someone else's laundry.
20:14Maybe my mother's, but my partner's never. Well, you just need to earn a bit more money and then you can pay the maid to do it. Yeah, I'm like, bro, I'll pay someone to do it. I wasn't opposed to a house chef. So I think part of that is that they associate lack of willingness to do traditional household things
20:33with non -traditional relationship that is just not going to be as enjoyable. It's a less feminine sort of woman. And the polarity between masculinity and femininity. What the subtext is, I'm not doing the washing you are. Yeah. Which is guys are like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, oh fuck, you're not doing it. You're not doing it. I'm definitely not doing it. Yeah, right. So I do understand, and I do think, you know, there's lots of talk about masculinity and stuff like that. What about the other side of the fence? Are you seeing challenges that young girls have with femininity at the moment of like finding their role within the world whether they should be a tried wife or a like a sex -positive sleep -around girl party girl where there should be a hermit.
21:19I don't know. I think it's hard especially with social media and like most of the girls you see on social media are like You know there's there's two sides of it of course, but there's a lot of like Like sex symbols you see on social media or even if it's not like sex symbols you see like these hot beautiful girls that may or may not have had work done, but in swimsuits or whatever in For a lot of people it's hard to like you would never get there But like that's who you see on a daily basis on your phone. So that's that's what you want or that's what you want to strive towards but Yeah, so I think it's hard to say what kind of What it's like extent to femininity girls look for but I think it social media hasn't made it easier It's confusing.
22:01It's confusing for sure and look at some of the role models that were held up as okay so this is really really where you know this is someone that's charging forward and really getting it right Lizzo fighting for girls all over the place and then the bottom falls out and it turns out that she's making her dancers eat bananas out of strippers vaginas Yeah weight -shaming all of the people as this champion for body positivity and Ellen de generis as well turns out that she's a total precter work with Um, yeah, and it's the people that you would think that were like the most understanding that turned out to not be.
22:37I don't know whether it's people that you would think. I think it's people that portrayed themselves. Yeah, that's precisely correct. Yeah, people that portrayed themselves to be like the most understanding or accepting of everyone that do not speak the city. It's like the senator that's pushing the hardcore anti -gay legislation that goes home and secretly watches gay porn on the VPN. Right. I think it's fascinating. There's a part of that, you know, because people's actions are way less visible than their words online. Like the thing that you tweet is way more important than the thing that you did, because no one sees the thing that you did, but they see the thing that you tweeted.
23:14So when you look at the people that are the most forthcoming about being virtuous or morally grandstanding or I'm holier than now, when you see that, That to me a lot of the time signals There's probably something going on there unless I can really really prove it and I didn't see it with Lizzo not that I Like a Lizzo scholar But Lizzo fan yeah, I I didn't look at her and see Yeah, this is someone who's really working hard to try and find the next like frontier for a female body empowerment or something like that. It seemed like someone doing a grift. It seemed like someone that had managed to capture.
23:59That managed to capture a particular narrative and was just leaning into it. Yeah. Brad versus Logan, who wins? Yo, Brad's gonna flame me if I don't say Brad's gonna win. Or in a street fight? No in the ring in the boxing in the boxing. Okay. See you made it harder That's the fight that they're talking about no no Brad was talking about Street Fight like you know I'm 260 pull up outside the gym I'll rock your shit. Okay, who wins in the Street Fight Brad in the ring Logan Might as to pull that fence out of your ass. Thank you. Yeah, don't kick me off Roger Brad
24:42But Brad is like I'm seeing Lee Strong too. He's quick. He's stronger than Chris Bumstead, right? They had Seabull on the podcast and Brad was like, you know, don't compare our numbers because it's not fair. I was like, hang on, we're talking about a world champion. I trained with Chris. Chris is a, and he's one of those guys that's got big hands. Like dude, you've even, your hands are even must. So yeah, he is strong, but I don't know. I mean, Brad better get on that cardio game if he wants to trying to do five or eight rounds. He's strong and he's also weirdly athletic. Like he can do weirdly high box shots or like, like, I don't know.
25:20I just, do you think he'd do it? Do you think he would actually go for a boxing fight? Yeah, with Logan? With Logan, probably, because now Logan has called him out. Brad would look like a, Brad would look like a Wimp if he didn't. But Logan hasn't said that he'll do it personally. He said he had found someone for Brad to fire, right? I don't know. I didn't dig into the specifics of it, but I know that they'd had beef. And they had like Twitter beef, which feels old school for people that are kind of Instagram and YouTube stars. I seem so high school. A little bit. But I'd love to see that. Yeah, I think it would be an insanely good PR for both of them.
26:00They both bring clout to the table. Like, for OGs. Yeah, everybody loves them equally. like different camps, love them equally as well, which is interesting. What's your, what do you, you went to the Jack Paul fight the other week? What do you make of this world with Bryce, just one, a bad knuckle fight? That was crazy. Which is the first thing that I've ever, the first situation I've ever seen Bryce get into. I didn't even know he's doing bad knuckle, and then he goes up against a guy who's been doing a good, a good bit, and wins. Yeah. He wins, I think he technically wins you to an injury, but he wins.
Read the full transcript
26:34Yeah, he won. But he called it too, Bryce was like I'm gonna win in round two and he won in round two I play Would you do you gonna step in the ring bear knuckles? No, I just boxing I Would do boxing I'd fight someone who'd you want to fight who'd you hate? There's no there's no one that I hate per se there's been people I think that have hated me Who's your biggest beef been with? I haven't personally had bees who's beefed with you the most Who's beefed with me? I don't know if I can, I don't know, I don't want to bring attention to her. Go on. She doesn't deserve it. You can just punch her in the face.
27:17Bro, I'm telling you right now, I would cut down to her weight and I'd beat the shit out of her.
27:24No, I'm kidding. But I think that, um, I would definitely, I think it'd be dope to do like an influencer or boxing type thing. People who haven't thought before getting in the ring, same weight class, both had three months, six months training leading up to the fight and then finding each other. That would be dope. Doesn't have to be at Mariner Knuckles like a little boxing. It's so funny how the world of combat sports now has really been reshaped by it. Right. You've got Francis and Garnu and Tyson Fury fighting each other. UFC legend up against the greatest living heavyweight fighter, potentially the greatest ever.
28:00And I don't think that that would have happened. Had KSI Logan Paul not happened. I've had Mayweather McGregor not happened. And if you track it all the way back, it was two British guys forever, ever, ever ago, like seven or eight years ago or something that kicked it all off. And now you've got, whose Logan's next fight? Dylan Danis. And then KSI's fighting some guy I don't know. He's like big time, but I don't know. point being before it was we can't believe that these influences are coming in and ruining the sweet signs of boxing and now downstream the purest boxing people are following the model.
28:38Well, fighting the influencers. Yeah, right. So funny. Because I think that at the end it's a win -win for everyone because more, you know, the influencers bring a little bit, a different crowd, the younger crowd, they bring a little bit more PR to it, whatever it might be. I think they bring a different audience to it that, you know, helps them both sales tickets, gets pay -per -view watches. It's entertainment as well. Yeah entertainment and You know when people say this is getting like WWE and they're talking about baseball or they're talking about NFL or whatever and B .A. I realize this the other week what they mean is what happened was WWE essentially took the sport element out of sport and And all that you had to do was reverse engineer the best way to create the rivalry.
29:27And then you don't need to worry about the outcome of the contest because we already know what's going to happen because we can write that. So when people say this is becoming like WWE, what they mean is they found the model of how to create a rivalry and this rivalry is starting to look like that. So really all it is is these people in NBA or whatever, zeroing in on a really, really heated rivalry that compels people. I don't think it's fair necessarily to say this is becoming like WWW. They split tested for, you know, decades and decades, the best, oh, we're going to have the heel. We're going to have like the redneck guy.
30:02We're going to have the clean cut heartthrob. We're going to have the renegade artist. We're going to have the Mexican dude that's got the hat that face masks on. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So you just have this very effective way at garnering attention in a sport. And you don't need to worry about the sport. And now we're seeing it get across and you've seen Drive to Survive, which is the Formula One thing, Full Swing, which was for golf, Breakpoint, that was for Tennis, Quarterback, now that's all about NFL. People are interested in what's going on behind the scenes, which is exactly why you have to post 140 Snapchat photos again every single day.
30:37People care about more than just like an Instagram picture here or there. They care about what you're doing. Yeah. I've asked this question to a bunch of different people. If you only had 10 exercises for the rest of your life to hold onto as much muscle, I'll build as much muscle as you could. Which ones would you choose? And why? 10 exercises. 10 exercises. Can be anything you want, but you've only got 10. Okay, let's start off. Leg press. Okay. For, you know, you can do different variations in it. You can hit like different parts depending on how you put your legs.
31:11Ardeals. Bobbell dumbbells, single leg.
31:19Barbell, Ardeals. Bobbell Ardeals is hardcore. Okay, cool. Yep. Military press with the barbell. Military press, sold the press. No, standing. So you can brace your core. I mean, you only get 10 exercises here. Okay. Right. Yeah. So you've made an ab exercise out of a shoulder exercise. Right. Good. Yeah, incline dumbbells. Every single person has said incline dumbbell press. Yes, press. Yeah, phenomenal. Yeah, can't go wrong. Yep, that's full. Right. Gosh. Okay, what is it? Decliner incline. I always confuse myself when you lean back a little bit and you do the curls. I think that's technically incline, but I know exactly what you mean.
32:02Yes, because I always mess it. I know what you mean. Those curls with dumbbells. Supernated. So like from neutral to supernated, or do you keep it, because some people keep it locked out like that. I keep it locked out like that. Yeah, yeah. So it's almost like a, I think it's called like a Y -Cole. Yeah. Or you're here. It does suck so hard. And you're still weak on those. You know at the bottom of the movement, and it's... You flex your tricep at the bottom. Five kilos. Yeah. And then it's not doing. Okay, that's five. So we've got... Five. Leg press. RDLs with a barbell. Well, military press, standing, incline chest press with dumbbells.
32:41That last one you just bought, what ever that is. Okay, so halfway through. Halfway through. Smoked, legs are okay, chests are okay, shoulders are okay, biceps, right? A weighted pull -ups for back. Okay. I think maybe one of the only back exercises I need. Overhand, underhand, neutral. I'm not a pussy. Come on. Overhand. Okay, Chris Bumsett said neutral. Oh fuck I mean neutral right that's sex Okay
33:15Gosh this is hard Hammer curls to hit the other head of the vice up right okay. Yeah standing hammer curls Uh -huh, it's a lot of biceps now with the pull -ups with the two sets of curls. Okay. Yeah, we're good with biceps now No more buster. I think I'm gonna have to do lateral raises for shoulders. Yep. Oh my God, I didn't hit any triceps. Do I have one more exercise? You've got two left, I think. Two left. Yeah. School crushers. Yeah, tell you what, I forgot that I did five years ago and then rediscovered it the other day. Lying school crushers. So going to the floor and taking it from the floor is opposed to going from a bench.
33:56Oh, oh. Because you can go from a dead stop and it means that if you need to fail, You can always, you're never scared of literally smashing yourself in the face or falling off the back of the bench. Yeah. And it feels really comfy. And sometimes if you bring your feet up on a bench and you feel like I'm going to... If you wobbly a little bit, yeah. Yeah, okay. Skull crushes. So you got one left from all of that. And then I think I'm going to have to hanging leg raises. For abs. Yeah. That's the most popular abs exercise as well. Ryan Terry, Chris Bumstead, both of them. So one of those weird things, everyone trains, everyone's kind of got a confusion around training abs and all the people that have got good mid sections.
34:35Everyone always asks me, what's your like, ab workout and I'm like, maybe once a week, I'll either hit decline sit ups with like a weight with 10 pounds or I'll do hanging leg raises, but most of it is just like even bracing my core and any other workout. out, I do vacuums or just what you eat. Well, you, I think you came into training pretty under fed, right? You were crazy, crazy. Talk through that way you were at body wise and then sort of your progression of training in the gym. Yeah, so I was going through a hard time. I was like the lowest side of her weight. I was a hundred pounds. And I was very insecure with myself.
35:17I would always wear baggy clothes because I hated how like I felt like I just looked sick. Like that's how skinny I was. I remember my meals would like a McDonald's little burger like off the dollar menu and a large coke would be my meal for the day. That's all you did. That's all I would eat. I remember at seven p .m. usually I'd get up and go get that and then drive around the town for an hour and go back home. Like my mental health just was so poop. It was crappy. And I think that went on for about six months. And then I was, it was just like a switch. I was tired of spending literally every hour in bed and just moping around low energy, low confidence.
36:02And then I was like, you know what? Like I've nothing better to do. Might as well hit the gym. Was there a moment? Was it, oh, is it just a progression of a time of becoming increasingly fed up with that? I don't think there was a moment per se, but I think I just got tired of feeling so shitty. Like I was tired of feeling tired and like I was just so unhappy with myself. How old were you? I was 20. Yeah, about two years ago, 20.
36:34And then I remember, I literally remember like what I was wearing that day, and I remember the drive to the gym to sign up for the gym membership. I remember I wore glasses. I didn't think like I was like, I'll get the membership today and I'll start tomorrow or whatever. I went in, I got the membership, and then I started that same day I wore my glasses to work out whatever. I just, it was weird, but I remember it. And then I worked out and then I went home and I was like, well, I had a scene tick talks. Like right after you work out, you have to eat something like high protein. Like I'm going to eat like half a piece of salmon.
37:08And I was like, anything is better than like a McDonald's burger at this point. So I remember I was just like I would learn a little bit on TikTok. I'd learn a little bit for my brother. I'd learn like people that just work out. I would talk to them, try to pick their brain about like how I can improve like everything all at once. Like my nutrition, my workouts, everything. So it was just like a mix of TikTok, talking to people that helped me kind of get to where I am. And within like maybe six, seven weeks of working out, I think I really had it dialed. So I picked it up very fast relatively, you know, trained with intensity from the beginning, would push myself.
37:46I remember it was when I started like you just off to wear face masks at the gym. I remember I'd like sometimes I would have like a shit. Yes, so this was during COVID. Yeah, it was 2020 when I started it was May of 2020.
38:07And the was 2021. You're still in the midst of it. Yeah. It was 2021. Yes. Yeah. What was most difficult? What advice would you give to girls that are unhappy with their body? Or guys that are unhappy with their bodies? Like, you know, there's a lot of challenges in overcoming. There's a lot of even if you did get some advice from TikTok. Yeah. Most of it is horse shit. Regardless of who you are, I think you need to implement some type of physical activity for an hour and a half a day. You know, 45 minutes to an hour and a half depending on the level of intensity, but whoever you are, however old you are, you know, if that means going outside and walking, you know.
38:44For me, it's like the gym is something that it's not a chore. It's gotten to the point that it's the two hours of the day that I enjoy, like I was telling you earlier, like I look forward to like going to the gym. Regardless of your age, you need to work out, do some kind of physical activity, train with intensity, whatever. Train on your own. Yeah. Because obviously in a lot of the content that you put online, it'll be around or there's a videographer, right? Yes, right. I prefer training on my own. There was a point when I first started, I would be like, there's no way in how I'm going to the gym by myself.
39:20Like this is peak embarrassment. I need someone there, which is totally fine. Like do that. Go with a friend or go with a brother or sister or parent or whoever.
39:32But I'm at the point now where I like training alone. You know, it's like my alone time. I don't know. I enjoy on my own. But when I do film or whatever, it's like usually my rest day, and I'll go and I'll film at Zoo YouTube video. Okay, because if you've filmed on a training day, you'd have to sacrifice training to get the content. Right. Yeah. So I just go on. You're not training. There's no pressure. Exactly. Right. What do you do outside of that? Outside of working out. I sleep about 10 hours a night. Is that strategic or do you just strategic, that's strategic muscle grows in your sleep?
40:09Okay. Yeah, but 10 hours is like, it's pretty intense. Yeah, but I don't know how many 22 year old million plus influences are saying, and I sleep 10 hours a night. and then train for two hours a day. Sleep matters, guys. Sleep matters. Okay. Okay, eight to 10. It's not always 10, but it's usually, it's never... We'll see, when you join the Woop team, I'll know. And you can't lie to me anymore. Okay, perfect. No, it's always, always at least eight. Never, never less. Okay. I do still go to school. I only have eight weeks left. So I do that in my free time. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm on my phone probably eight to 10 hours a day.
40:53What are you doing? I'm mindlessly scrolling and I try to trick myself thinking like I respond to emails I respond to emails like use it for work to yeah, it's work to but I also Convince myself that if I keep scrolling something will inspire me if you get your screen time Let me see do you track screen time on that you know in the settings. Yeah, I want to see God, I'm this is gonna be embarrassing. I Want to see the app breakdown of what's happening here?
41:25It's actually down from last week, so let's not be too judgmental. Daily average is seven hours and six minutes. He peaked with, oh, Sunday's a big day. Sunday's nearly 12 hours. See all activity. Okay, so messages, 13 hours, Instagram, 10 hours, Snapchat, 8 hours, TikTok, 4 hours, was Safari, Mail, YouTube. Messages. What are you doing on messages? I'm not doing on messages. Group chats? No, I mean, maybe talking the fucking shitty business people, not all shitty, but some shitty. Yes, many shitty business. Many shitty business people. I think that's what I was so dumb to, like when I first started thinking like anyone had my best interest at heart or like just wanted to genuinely help.
42:12Why? I don't know, I feel like a lot of people try to scan, not scan, but finesse, finesse. Yeah, such a good word. I wonder how much of it is the way that you present as well as like a relatively friendly girly girl and someone sees this opportunity to try and outwit a 21 -22 year old who probably doesn't have really any idea what's going on and I wonder whether the equivalent thing would happen with the dude. It doesn't. I feel like in social media fitness space, I feel like from what I've heard and everything, maybe men get, you know, respected a little bit more. I think they probably get it's harder to break through and get paid because the way that you can monetize good looking girls, especially in the fitness space, can monetize guys and girls.
43:05Good looking guys really only monetize guys. Yes, but then I feel like you're right in the monetization aspect but also in the brand partnership aspect, I think guys are treated a little bit better. In terms of packages? In terms of money, yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. I think just more respected. Even personally, I haven't had an experience with the brands I work with. But I'm saying, I've heard my friends, like, you know, due to their engagement or whatever she, like, she should be getting paid more. And then I know a guy is below her on engagement, following everything. and he's getting paid more all more than she is.
43:42And I'm like, well, this is just, she's getting finesse. Yeah, it's an interesting one. I mean, I read this statly of the day that said, by 2030 women are going to control 50 % of global capital. So women are already 80 % of consumer purchases. Yeah. I think that's skewed a lot because if mothers are having to do the shop, yeah, of course, yeah, that's cute. Every mother is gonna be the one in charge of shopping for baby stuff and then plus they're going to get the groceries inside. It does kind of skew that number. But increasingly, I think women are going to have the spending power, which means that the way that marketing stuns going to have to be adapted, it's definitely going to have to be adapted.
44:25And I think we're already seeing it. I think brands like Bud Light, Miller Light, you know, have tried to do something that seems more pro -female. But remember what we were saying before, like we can call it the Lizzo effect of doing something that looks that ostensibly the window shopping is. Yeah. We care behind the scenes. I don't think anybody really thought that but like cared about Dylan Mulvaney or that Miller like cared about the fact that they used to do a mud wrestling ad. Right. I think they saw it as I mean the Dylan Mulvaney thing. Oh fuck it. I'll say it. A lot of people had a problem with the deal mill of anything because it was Bud Light finally showing the like woke, cooked, blue pill bonafidees that they'd been hiding from everybody all along.
45:18But the group of people who largely were saying that are also a group of people that will say things like, don't cancel Jordan Peterson because of one bad thing that he said. Yeah. So don't judge some of my favorite content creators based on one out of context small sample. But then they're flipping it and judging a brand that's been around for decades and does this one thing and maybe maybe they're right and I'm open to them being right. Yeah. That Bud Light secretly did hate all every every straight person on the planet they hated them for decades and they were just waiting for the opportunity or a small gifting to a poorly chosen influencer who's not super popular amongst a very, very large cohort of the country, who's given some cans with their face on them.
46:10And I think that like the much less conspiratorial version of that seems to be the one that to me is most likely. And if you want to have the grace of, you know, don't cancel people for just one thing that they said, I do think that you should consider extending that to. And now it's easy to dunk on it, right? And this is an unpopular thing to say, because it's way easy to say, but like, won't woke, and now they're going to go broke. And yeah, now they're doing, um, it's like almost trendier to like hop on and hate rather than be like, wait, maybe, maybe, maybe like it was a one time thing. Let's not cancel a whole brand, even though we've been drinking the product for decades, because Kid Rock shot them with an AR -15.
46:54Like we don't need to, I don't get me wrong. Like I think it was a shitty move. I'm not a fan of Dylan Mulvaney. I don't think that that person is a good actor. But I also think if you want people to extend like a cancellation refund request to some of your favorite influencers and some of the cultural commentators online that you should probably consider doing it for brands as well. Yeah, for sure. It's like a reasonable position to be in. Have you been near any consolation stuff? You can't get count. You just lift things. I don't think I think the closest maybe was the whole like, oh, I'm not going to learn how to cook or clean.
47:33Canceled because she can't make a spaghetti meatball. Well, I can cook. I'm just saying I can't like cook anything crazy. I can make spaghetti and meatball, you know. I can't cook as good as my mom. You're selling yourself as a wifey now. Yeah. I'm learning I'm trying to Brad told me I need to hire my equity or like my stock I am I stock okay I'll learn how to cook and clean so then right Brad's coaching you on how to become a high value woman right Good spaghetti meatballs great at laundry. Yeah, I can sweep the floor I'm learning yeah, that's that's pretty high value my issue isn't that I can't do is that like right now.
48:11I don't necessarily always have The drive to do it to sweep the floor and do the laundry and cook. But I'm open. I've been learning to cook. And I can go. Look at you trying to salvage your eligibility to the entire internet. I'm like, please. Come and take me. What are you hoping to be able to do next? Like what would be, you've got this degree that you're about to finish, you can do lots of different things. It seems to me like you're not, you don't want to just start an only fans or start taking like booty pictures and go down that line. No, I'd rather just be canceled before I did any of that or like, you know, delete it off everything.
48:56Yeah. Then do that. Is there ever a temptation to overly sexualize yourself? No, but I can totally, for me there's not, genuinely there's not, but I can see the appeal of why either is for women. Your likes have gone to like, your likes have plummeted, whatever, shadow band, whatever you wanna call it. So you're like, okay, whatever. I'll put on a swimsuit, turn around and take a picture by the pool. You know, I could see the bill. Bang, with algorithms back up bro, like we have, the likes are back to normal. But like, I genuinely think for women, the second you start posting pictures of, you know, your ass, mostly, you know, or like a huge cleavage picks, whatever it is on Instagram, pictures of you and a nice covering dress will never perform as well as they did when you're posting your assortits.
49:46So I did a podcast, probably about three years ago with a female adult actress in the UK. And I was asking her about the typical career progression of girls that go into this industry. She'd been in it for like a decade. She's like a old age. She won awards. I don't know. Does it work for that? Apparently. I don't know what for. I didn't see it. I didn't watch either of the awards or the content that was submitted. I think it was like a Sundance film festival. It must have been. Anyway. So I was asking her and she basically said that there's a hierarchy of intensity to different kinds of porn scenes.
50:24So I think it was like solo, girl on girl, guy on girl, all the way down to like anal DP, it descends deep. I'm not intended. I kind of feel like there's an equivalent stack intensity thing to the kind of content. And I don't think that guys can do the same thing. It's like it's a topless photo for a guy. Sometimes you look better, you actually look better with a shirt on. And you could be in good condition, but you could look cooler with a shirt on. It does feel to me a little bit like, you know, as much as we've got this, women are 35 % of CEOs, new CEOs in companies January of 2023 were women, so highest percentage ever.
51:12Women are out earning men between the ages of 21 and 29. Women are out educating men to women for every one man completing a fully yours college degree by 2030. Even though we have all of that, there's still a big undercurrent of sexualization for women. And this isn't, I'm not saying like this is the patriarchy fucking plowing it on them. But very often women choose to sexualize themselves or each other. Yes. Because it's them largely competing with other women. Now it may be for the eyes of men, but if you are hoping for men to not click on a photo that's got boobs or a bum in it, I think you're fighting against the thermodynamics of sexes.
51:54No, 100%. And a thousand times I've heard girls that, and I have no hate on girls that want to do an only fans, or have an only fans. It's not like, oh, you have an only fans, I'm not your friend. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's not for me, and there's ways I feel about it, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna dislike you, or I'm gonna hate you or judge you for having one. Women say that having an OF or whatever is empowering. And I think for me, it's just hard to grasp how that can be empowering when you're chatting with Menol Day or having your management chat with Menol Day. Vietnamese virtual assistant chat.
52:29Yeah, surprise guys. If you're subscribed to an OF and you think it's her texting you. It's her fat manager. Yeah, it's not her. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I really think it'll be interesting to reflect on this period of monetization for especially women in 10 years, 20 years time. and realize that it was either a brief flash in the pan or the beginning of a tsunami of people sexualizing themselves for the price of a cheeseburger per month. I hope it's not anything that has longevity to it, but I could understand how it's appealing for a girl that just has just turned 18, okay? Fully not developed in her brain.
53:14Thanks, oh my God, I can make five figures a month. You know, I have 20, 30K on Instagram, I can make five figures a month. I don't have to go to college. I don't have to be in loan for years. I don't have to go find an actual job. I can post bikini pics and make equivalent to a teacher or a doctor. I could understand how that's appealing. You know what's interesting as well? I think I've heard you talk about this before that it kind of doesn't really matter what you post on only fans either. Because they've tried to do like comedy on there. I think what any coming did arose, but Christ has done some only fans exclusive content.
53:50And there's a number of girls that I know who justify the M .O. is, I post this stuff for free on Instagram anyway. Oh, yeah. Therefore, if I just post a higher frequency of the same level of nudity on only fans, that's basically my morals from Instagram, it's already been there. There is nothing different, but the problem, it's a branding problem. I think they say that to help themselves feel better about it, maybe. Because for me, I can only speak from Mayan, but it's the idea of a paywall platform, getting people's money to show whatever it is that for me just wouldn't click. Even if I was posting only gym content and leggings and a t -shirt, just the idea of...
54:41It's an interesting one. We're chatting with someone. There's been other things. The intimacy as well, I think, that's a part of it. But yeah. But so you know how vaping is like every person is taking nicotine in some form or another. I was having a conversation the other day about how vaping has probably, or the retreat of cigarettes and the ascendancy of vaping has probably been a net negative for health because vaping is way more enjoyable than smoking ever was. It tastes better, it's cooler, you could... There's no smell, no one could know. Exactly all of this and it doesn't smoking that wasn't so good I think if you go into the if you start to educate yourself about health and fitness lots of people are pushing back against vaping too But I don't think that's really broken into the mainstream just yet.
55:27So a lot of people do it. I wonder whether Kind of like how vaping is the thin end of the wedge for nicotine Only fans has become a thin end of the wedge for porn and for self -objectification Yeah, I I don't know, I agree with you that I struggle to see how... I don't know, it's a tight line about the... I'm liberating myself and this is empowering because you are taking men's money. But is the price of your nudity like a double -wopper from McDonald's? And then if it's Black Friday, it's like six -checking nuggets. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. And it's something that I have like, I have concerns about and I haven't really worked out my opinion on yet about like what this means long term.
56:18Yeah. I think that's really gonna be. I think long term, I just think if you start, again, I'm not, it sounds like I'm just shitting on any woman with an only fans, which I'm not. I'm just saying it from the perspective of a girl who's out there thinking about it, I would recommend to not start one. That's the only thing, that's the only way I'm coming at this. I'm not shitting on anyone that housed one. I wouldn't. So another thing I wonder what it does is I'd seen throughout my 20s girls that were strippers. They really struggled to see their relationship with men as anything other than transactional because 150 times a night, they needed to extract resources from this guy who was down from Edinburgh or had flown in from Dublin or something for a stag weekend with the boys.
57:04Maybe he was married. Maybe he was in a relationship. maybe he was whatever. And they saw this relationship with men as adversarial, as transactional, a short lived. And I saw a struggle in their personal lives to rip themselves out of that. And then if you think, okay, and that's not even protracted, or that intimate, if you don't have the Vietnamese manager that's messaging all of the people that you're with, and actually you that's doing the Simp Admin. Probably fucks with you mentally. So much. How are you able to determine the line between genuine emotional connection and like performative emotional connection?
57:45Do you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think not just your relationship with men, but like longevity, you know, especially because it's something like, you know, it's not the same as like maybe a dancer or whatever, this is all online. Like I feel like it's something you could never live down. And if you're already an influencer, what people are gonna address you as like, oh, the only fans girl? You know, it's stigma that comes with it. A title. What's happening with fansley? Is fansley just only fans? Fansley. Have you heard of that? I haven't. Okay, so this is like the Twitch streamer equivalent, I think.
58:23I wonder if it can't, there's no way that Twitch would give it partner access or integration or whatever. But fansley is something else. and I'm seeing a different cohort of people. It's mostly Twitch streamers than doing that. And I feel like it's the same. It's like private messages and blah, blah, blah. But yeah, I don't know. Have you seen the new thing like AI? The AI bots, like you pay per minute to talk to someone and they use your voice from your videos or your online personality to chat with someone? Yes. That's the same thing. Yeah. I wonder whether if I was the guy that made only fans is British, right?
58:58It's from Essex. If I was him, when ChatGPT came out and the AI image creator thing, I would have spent as much money as I could, I would have dumped a shit ton of cash into no longer being an agency and instead becoming a tech product. Because if you could vertically integrate yourself back up and not only be the service that people go through, but be the creators themselves by making the girls and by creating the chatbots and by owning the algorithms and by owning the servers, you cut out, I don't know what the percentage is. It take 10 % or 5 % whatever. They take only fans. Yeah. They think a lot more than that I think.
59:36What do they take? Is it 15 to 20? Yeah, Joe, come on. How do you know? Joe, you're always on only funds. That's all that you spend your time. You're always talking about. Take your money out of only fans and put it into like one of the S &P. You want to put it in the S &P? I don't know. I'm not very educated with stocks. I wish I was more educated, but whatever, Tesla. Right. Put in Tesla. Cool. Elon Musk, you get my money. What's next for you? What you do next? After uni. Like, what are you thinking? What's in the next six months to a year? What can people expect? Six months to a year? People can expect that maybe I'll post to you two videos we can settle on.
1:00:13No, I'm just going to consistently keep doing the routine and posting schedule that I have been. And then I've kind of always been the type that I go with the flow and that I'm going aspect and kind of hope that luck plays out. And I maybe meet someone that we can be me truly beneficial with. That's no so the reason I even decided to go MBA route was that maybe one of the companies that I'm working with now or that I encounter in the future, you know, down the line, they'll want me on the back end rather than. And influencer and board member. Yes, maybe. And I could do the back end and the forefront, you know.
1:00:50That's cool. No plans to release a training plan, a diet plan, an ebook, a portal, a platform. Like whatever works for me, isn't going to work for someone else. I think I am blessed with really good genetics because I don't track macros. I don't, um, you know, count calories or whatever. I just, you know, it took me a while, but I intuitively eat, I don't drink alcohol. I don't drink any of my calories, but... It seems like you're doing pretty well without that at the moment. Yeah, I don't think, I don't wanna, right now it's something that's fun for me. I think the second I start counting and tracking, it'll become toxic and I'll...
1:01:33You gotta be careful, we had this conversation a lot over the last week. If you really, really enjoy doing something, you have to protect your passion. And if you don't doing the work at the rate that you're doing at the moment, is just going to get progressively harder over time. And it's, that's fine, but it will change the pursuit from being something that's fuck like yeah, today's rest day and filming day and I'm fired up to do some skits to, oh my god, today's rest day and I still have to work. And that framing is an awful lot. And it's okay, do you want to turn this into a labor or do you want to keep loving it?
1:02:10And it's not that you can't do both, but the more that you work and the more that you monetize, the more hard it's going to become, I think. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Fuck yeah. Sarah Safari. What's next for you? So I've done... Who are you trying to have on this podcast? A few that you have your eye on? A few that I've got my eye on. So have you seen the School of Life YouTube channel? So it's a big YouTube channel that did psychology and philosophy. It's got about five, six mil subs. It's really big. It's great. And it's run by this dude called Alander boton. It's not run by him He's like the creator of it now.
1:02:47He's got this huge huge huge team and he was real formative for me So if I had a amount rush more of podcasts influences on my awakening. Yeah, Jordan Peterson Sam Harris Joe Rogan and Alann Jordan has been on twice and it's coming back on Sam has been on a couple of weeks ago I've been on Rogan's but I've got this elusive fourth guy down here and I really, really want to bring him on and he's got a new book coming out. So I'm working super, super hard to try and get him. He's in the UK, but that's fine because I can fly back to the UK. So I got that. We've got a week in the UK with some massive, massive UK guests that I can't wait to film with.
1:03:29And I'm coming back. I've already said to people that John Peterson will be coming back on at some point this year. So that's going to be very interesting. Got lots to talk about. Couple of returning guests, a couple of new ones. But this weekend's been great. You know, I did this Alex Homozy yesterday, Phil Heath and Rich Roll this morning stan efforting you today. Tomorrow Eric Weinstein, who is like this super genius MD at Teal Capital, very interesting dude. So it's good. Like things are happening and it really does feel like like we've got the world at our feet at the moment and kind of holding on for day life a little bit.
1:04:05No, that's amazing. You're going to, you're going to kill it. Thank you for having me on. I'm honored after all those people you named. I'm honored. And Sarah's Farry. No, I'm honored that you had me on. So thank you. We know. Well, should people go? They want to follow you, check out your stuff. Instagram. Sarah's Farry. What do you want Snapchat? Same. Sarah's Farry. Yeah, Sarah's Farry on anything. Hell yeah. Sarah, I appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.
From the publisher
Sara Saffari is a fitness model, influencer, athlete and a YouTuber.
Many young people dream of being young, fit, and famous. Lots of us are seduced by the idea of the attention this brings, but what's the reality of being so exposed in a world filled with scrutiny, stalkers and haters?
Expect to learn what Sara thinks about the muscle mommy movement, what makes women genuinely attractive, the biggest problem with dating Gen Z boys, Sara’s thoughts on the Bradley Martyn vs Logan Paul fight, Sara’s top 10 exercises to build muscle, whether she would ever start an Only Fans and much more...
Extra Stuff:
Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books
Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom
Episodes You Might Enjoy:
#577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: http://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59
#712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: http://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf
#700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: http://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp
-
Get In Touch:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast
Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact
-
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
