#741 - Dr Joe Dispenza - How To Unlock Your Mind & Master Your Life

25:40Well, everybody has a story, right? And the way we make memories is from emotions. So if you have an event in your life that's highly traumatic just as an example, the moment you perceive that event in your life through your senses, the chemical information that's coming back as information to your body is telling you to be altered. So once you begin to change your internal state, the greater the change in your internal state from its normal continuity, the more the brain freezes a frame and takes a snapshot. And that's called the long -term memory. So then the person thinks neurologically within the circuitry of that experience and they feel within the boundaries of the emotions of that experience.

26:32Every time they review the event in their mind, they're producing the same chemistry in their brain body as if the event was occurring. So again, the body's reliving the trauma 50 to 100 times in the day and now the trauma is no longer in the brain, the trauma is emotionally conditioned in the body, right? So, if you say to the person, why are you so bitter? Why are you so sad? Why are you so unhappy? They'll say, I am this way because of this event that happened to me 10 years ago, which what they're really saying is after that event, I changed and I have not been able to change since this event.

27:12Well, the research on memory says that if you ask that person that story of the actual account. 50 % of that story is no longer the truth. In other words, they're embellishing the story so they can excuse themselves or making it worse or making the conditions worse. They're telling the story and they're embellishing it to some degree to excuse themselves from changing. Right? So if 50 % of that story isn't even the truth or reliving a miserable life they never even had, all to reaffirm their addiction to that emotional state. So here's the crazy part because we work with veterans and Navy SEALs.

27:54And can you then forget about the memory and just overcome the emotion? Because the memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom. And now you no longer belong to the past, you're ready to create a new future. And so the stories we tell about our past are only stories we tell when we feel those emotions. We would never tell that story when we feel a different emotion. Why? Because the person's telling the feeling that emotion and that emotion is the record of the memory chemically. So they're telling the story because they can't think greater than that feeling. Feelings have become the means of thinking.

28:37But what if you told a different story? And that's exactly what we teach people to do. Stop romancing your past, start romancing your future. Stop telling the story of your past, start telling the story of your future, stop believing in your past, start believing in a future. And that process is an unlearning and a relearning process. It's literally breaking the habit of being yourself and reinventing a new self. It's pruning synaptic connections, it's routing new connections, it's unfiring, it's unwiring, it's refiring, it's rewiring, it's deep programming, It's re -programming, it's re -programming, it's losing your mind and creating a new one.

29:12It's unmemorizing emotions that are stored in the body, and then reconditioning the body to a new mind and to a new emotion. And so what happens in this immersive experience when we do our week -long events is we take that person right to that point of that emotion where they say, I got to go, this is too uncomfortable, and we don't want them to whitenuck with there. we give them something to do. And if they practice that formula and they keep lowering the volume to that emotion, sooner or later the body becomes liberated. They're stepping out into the unknown. And we've seen people who have had the most brutal, the most horrific, the most difficult past.

29:58Look back at their past and say, I would never want to change one thing in my past because it got me to this moment. And that's the moment the past no longer exists. They look at there be trayers, they look at their abusers, and they see the they see the purposeful good and the meaning behind all of that that had to happen because it would have never brought them to this moment. And I think that's the moment the past no longer exists. What is one of your favorite stories of somebody who's been locked into one of these loops for a little while? Gosh, there's so many of them. We just had a woman on the stage in Dallas.

30:42And I watched this woman come to the event months before. This event in Dallas was an advanced follow -up, but she had done the weeklong seven -day retreat. and she was in Delsen, she was sitting, sorry, she was in Denver, she was sitting in the front, way from the audience, under a screen, you know, under the screens, and she was in a lounge, and she had a wheelchair, and she had a scooter, and she had oxygen, and she had well crutches, and she was kind of camped out in that area there. And she had about five different serious health conditions. And at the end of course she couldn't get out of, get off the couch.

31:34If she went to the bathroom, she was done for the day in terms of her amount of energy she had. She was living on six foods. She was on all kinds of medications and couldn't think greater than how she felt. right? So if you see a person like that, you think there's really not a whole lot of hope for this person. And yet she began to learn the information and begin to practice the information for the entire week. And at the end of the seven -day event, we were doing a walking meditation as a group outside. and I saw her out of her wheelchair smiling and walking and they sent me her testimonial.

32:22And I read the whole thing. And then when she was in Dallas, she came to the Evans follow up and they brought her backstage to tell me the story. And she told me the story. And it wasn't until she got on the stage that I realized that that was the woman that was in Denver because she did not look like the same person. She looked like a completely, a completely different person. She has none of those health conditions any longer. She's doing all the things that she was doing before she had them and she broke out. You know, she had her moment and when she changed, her biology changed. Too a lot of people that sounds fantastical.

33:05It's almost unbelievable. It is unbelievable. It really is unbelievable. I mean, I have difficulty believing some of the things in terms of the testimonies on transformations we've witnessed. I mean, I have watched certain testimonials of people giving their accounts of all kinds of crazy changes in their health conditions like muscular dystrophy. I mean, I've never seen a case of that reversed. I know that it's a degenerative condition and yet this guy left the event Walking and he was in a wheelchair when he came and I watched that testimonial I must have watched it a hundred times I watched it a hundred times because I couldn't believe it I could not believe that this guy was standing and I could not I could not stop Looking at the joy on his face and the excitement and the enthusiasm he had for life It was so real and so authentic.

34:03I couldn't believe it. And so it's difficult to believe this. I have difficulty believing it in a lot of times, but there's nothing like a good story because that person who's standing on the stage who's telling their story is a four minute mile. They're breaking through some level of consciousness or unconsciousness, and they're the example of truth. They're examples of the truth of the collective, and a collective who's listening into the story of transformation. And there's seeing that the person doesn't look vegan and doesn't look ketogenic and doesn't look young and buffed, but looks like a normal person.

34:40And that person is seeing and they came blind or they're hearing because they were death or they had stage four cancer and they don't have it. It's invariably someone in the audience is going to look at them and say, God, they're no different than me if they can do it. I can do it. And that now is information for the collective to believe in a greater level of possibility. And I think that that's exactly how it becomes infectious. It's a health and wellness, become as infectious as disease. We see this at events all the time. So yes, it is unbelievable. And I have to catch myself. You tell me, Pit One, and I think, oh, but half of these ones I would tell, most people wouldn't believe because they're unbelievable, but we have a lot of those.

35:23Well, you have a huge research team that's been collecting, I think I had 500 billion pieces of data in one form or another, given the fact that these outcomes that you're talking about are so unbelievable. Are you having to work additionally hard, be additionally rigorous when it comes to the science in order to dispel any accusations of the pseudoscience stuff? Gosh, what a great conversation. Thanks for asking the question. The whole reason that I started measuring, and we've been measuring for a long time now, was because when I saw someone with MS in a wheelchair come to the event in a wheelchair and walk out without one, I said, we got to start measuring.

36:03I mean, what is happening in that person's brain? What is happening in their body? What's happening in their biology? What's happening on a cellular level? what's as their information and their blood, what's happening to their immune system. And we started, you know, gathering, you know, a lot of data. I mean, we have way over 500 billion data points. That's usually just one or two studies. And so when we started partnering with the University of California, San Diego, I simply said to those scientists, okay, same thoughts, same choices, same behaviors, same experiences, same emotions, that's the known same biology.

36:46Sounds right? New thoughts, new choices, new behaviors, new experiences, new emotions, new biology. Possibly that's a good hypothesis. You will in the measure it. So we've measured so many things in the human body that says that you can change your brain to work way better in four days. You can make your heart way better. You You can express new genes. You could release thousands of metabolites, thousands and thousands of metabolites in seven days that promote growth and repair in your body. We find information in a meditator's blood that has a resistance to viruses, all kinds of viruses, even ones with spikes, that the information in advanced meditators blood somehow diminish as mitochondrial function in cancer cells, that's the energy in a cell.

37:42Not a little bit, but 70%, which is dramatic, and cancer cells love to multiply and move, and they have no energy. They don't live as long. There's information in the blood of advanced meditators that somehow downregulates the genes for Alzheimer's. We're finding robust amounts of endogenous opiates that reduce pain across the board. We measured 63 different health conditions, 63 different diseases, all different diseases, one -on -one prevention, and the majority of those people have a significant can reduction in pain and a very elevated level of endogenous opiates in their bloodstream, natural pain relievers, natural chemicals that make you feel good.

38:35So we've explored the microbiome. We see that you can change your microbiome in seven days to look like a way healthier person without taking a probiotic, without changing your diet, without eliminating anything. somehow the microbiome changes dramatically for the better. And the reason is because they're not the same person any longer or a different person. So we've spent the last four years working with the University of California, San Diego, in doing extensive research on the brain, extensive research on heart measurements, a lot of blood values, urine, everything. We've measured saliva, we measure breast milk, We measure tears.

39:19I mean, we've measured just about everything. And the these published? These results are published? Yes, we have some papers that are published now. We have some papers that are in peer review right now. We have about five more papers that were getting busy writing, but we have, we probably have the largest database in the world on meditation right now. What are the most common criticisms that you Wow.

39:46I would say that, you know, when you see the empirical science, a lot of people that see the data, whether we show it to reputable universities and professors or NASA or to whoever, I think one of the things that people have the most,

40:08that there's like you know, drugs that you don't ever see these kind of, we're talking about thousands of genes up -regulated to suggest the person's living in a completely in different environment, a completely different life in their in a ballroom, you know, so, so when you see the effects change like that in seven days, anybody who's a scientist that has that trained mind, they're gonna fall out of their chair because the the the metagenomics around it is not just one or two people, it's the whole entire group. So think about it. 1500, 2000, 2500 different people, all different genotypes. Everybody has their own gene sequence.

40:51Okay. At the end of seven days, 77 % of those people are signaling the same genes and making the same proteins. That's kind of wild. That means at the flock, the herd, the school, you know, there everybody's evolving. There's an emergent consciousness that's actually everybody's biology is evolving together like and that's and that's exciting because people change people that's what we discovered. So when we show the data to the people and you they see it, the conversation that we used to have where we'd have to be on the defense has changed dramatically because these are double blind and triple blind placebo studies.

41:34These are very, very rigorous studies. So the scientist that sees it questions the time. And then a drug study is about 25 % effective, and it usually takes three to six months before you see the efficacy it turn out. Our data is somewhere between 75 and 100%. So it shows that the nervous system is the greatest pharmacist in the world that actually works better than any drug. So when people really begin to see the science and you know, it challenges their belief, it challenges, I keep telling the scientists, I can't believe this is the truth. Like I'm more surprised than anybody. But I also say to them, where do those chemicals come from?

42:26Where are they coming from? The person's not taking opiates. They're not taking anti -carsinogen. They're not taking anything out to change their biology like this is coming from within them. So it's been changing the conversation in medicine quite a bit and we're just working on finding the language. But people who see the data are very surprised and they want to know what we're doing, which is a different conversation that we've had in the past. In other news, this episode is brought to you by Mementus. A lot of supplements say that they're top quality, but very few can actually prove it. And Mementus has the most rigorous third -party testing of any supplement company that I've ever found.

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44:14That's a great question.

44:18So, that's one of the things about this work that I really, really love in terms of our community. It's not like people go, oh, I got to go meditate today, it's the morning, it's not not how our community is. The majority of the people that come to a week long event keep doing the work, the majority of them do because the magic in their life is starting to happen. And why would you want to stop from having those events actually take place? So we see that people who heal, this sounds kind of crazy and we've had a lot of people instantaneously have a reversal in a health condition from one meditation from one inward experience.

45:06There's an arousal that takes place in their nervous system. They move into these heightened states of gamma brainwave patterns. The person is having an inward experience that's greater than the betrayal or the trauma from the past and somehow there's an upgrade in their biology. There's the exome now it's gone. There's the myosenia gravis now it's gone. There's the Parkinson's. It was there now it's gone. There's the cancer now it's gone. There's and seeing, it's like that. It's like the person comes back and there's an upgrade, right? What do you think is happening inside of the body? What's going on?

45:41Okay. So anyway, I'll be finished. That thought, and then I'll answer it, because it's important to ask that question. Those people who have those biological upgrades that are instantaneous, when we measure them three months down the road, six months down the road, nine months down the road, there's a sustained change. Yeah, they got the upgrade. If they continue to do the practice. No, no, even if they don't do the practice, they got a very good upgrade. Now, a certain percentage of people that have an upgrade like that and they go back to the stressful life of the Parkinson's returns, the cancer returns because they're back to the same personality again and they're making their same chemistry.

46:17Now, many of those people can continue in that direction. Other people catch themselves and they said, if I changed this Parkinson's once, because my father's in the hospital and I'm emotionally reacted, I can change it again and they actually change it again, right? So, and then there's people who go through that process of breaking the habit of being themselves and becoming reinventing another person, and it's a constant process of change. You can't get a super responder with the first one -and -done type person. One connection, one moment of connection, like a brainstorm. And those people who cross river of change, they tend to do the work consistently because they want to keep changing.

47:04They're not doing their meditations to heal. They're doing their meditations to change. And then the other thing when they change, they heal. So it's the process of change that that are interested in. So we have a good percentage of people who do the work and after they finish the immersive experience, that sustain those changes. And we have a lot of people that sustain changes whether they do it or they don't do it. So what's happening in their biology? It's a great question. Let me see if I can answer this in a methodical way. Your sense is plug you into three -dimensional reality, right? So if I took away your sight, if I took away your hearing, if I took away your smell, your taste, and feeling with your body, you would have no experience of three -dimensional reality.

47:53But you would still be conscious. But you would be conscious of nothing material or physical. You would just be conscious that you're conscious. And you would be conscious of nothing, in a sense. So when a person is immersed in three -dimensional reality, their neocortex or thinking brain is super busy, scanning the environment and associating knowns. And it's got a process, a lot of information that's coming in through the senses, what it's seeing, what it's hearing, what it's smelling, what it's tasting, what it's feeling. and that a lot of that information is coming in, the brain's job is to create meaning between your inner world and your outer world.

48:31And if you were to measure a person's brain waves, they're pretty much in beta brain wave patterns. And that means you're conscious, you're awake, and you're aware that you're in a body local in space and time, you're aware of your environment and you're aware of time. And that's how you navigate in three -dimensional reality. And there's neurotransmitters in the brain that support that, okay? If I said to you, you got to do a speech and it's got to be done without any notes, you got about 45 minutes prepared. Your brain would kind of perk up a little bit and it would be kind of a good stress.

49:04You'd have to perform, you're confident, you'd have to get ready, you'd have to change your state, you'd have to think, you'd have to, all right, what do I want to talk about? I got to change my state. You would move into mid range beta, light bulb gets a little brighter and you're a little bit more ready in a sense. But when you react in your emotional and your stress and your out of balance, you go into this very high beta brainwave pattern. And that's three times as high as low level beta. That's when the brain is in first gear on the freeway. It is, it is consuming all of its energy and it's sweeping the environment and it's shifting its attention from one person to another person to another problem to another thing to another place.

49:44It's trying to forecast as it's trying to predict, and the brain starts firing very, very disintegratedly. It starts firing inculherently out of order. And people, they need a drug or they need a drink or they need something to take away that kind of state. And their thoughts are literally driving the brain into higher and higher states of beta. Their addiction to those thoughts are driving the brain out of balance. Okay, so when you're in that state, you're very narrow focused. You're obsessing. I'm thinking. That's what the brain does. It over thinks it over it over analyzes. So if you can change your brain waves from baited alpha, now your inner world starts becoming more real than your outer world.

50:26In a sense, you're become more creative. Your brain stops talking to you in your head. You stop analyzing. You start seeing images. You start seeing pictures. An alpha is an imaginary, very creative state. You're still aware of your outer environment, but not so much. Okay, so here's the answer to your question. If you can get so relaxed that your body moves into a light state and it's in a light rest and you're conscious and awake, now you're in theta. And that's a very hypnotic state. And when you're in a hypnotic state, you're in a state of trance and you're very suggestible to information and suggestibility is your ability to accept information, to believe the information, to surrender to it.

51:10And that's what can program a person to do about just about anything, right? So hypnotists uses when he's making suggestions, the person who's in theta, the draw between their conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open to information. Okay. So that makes sense if you're getting information through your senses and you're in theta, you're in a hypnotic state. But what if the person's eyes are closed? What if others use it filling the space? They're not eating, they're not tasting, they're not smelling, they're not... experiencing, they're not feeling, and they're in that realm of theta, and I asked them, instead of the put, they're all of their attention on everything physical and everything material, to open their awareness, instead of narrow their focus, broaden their focus, and put their attention, not on the material, but on the immaterial, not on the particle, but the wave, not on matter, but on energy.

52:02And the The atom is 99 .9999 % information and energy. So having the person focus on nothing, this is the funny part about it, and broadening their focus if they can dial down their thinking neocortex to theta, they'll have no experience of their body, no experience for their environment, and no experience of time, and they're in theta, they're still suggestible to information. But they're not aware of their outer environment, but they're still suggestible. There's only one other place that information comes from, and that's frequency. All frequency, radio waves, Wi -Fi waves, X -rays, all carry information.

52:38So when the person opens their awareness to the wave function, to energy, and to information, they pay more attention to that, and less attention to themselves. They connect more to that, and less to the three -dimensional reality. If there's coherence in the brain, all of a sudden the person has a moment of connection. And the brain goes into a gamma brainwave state. And gamma now is an arousal. It's super consciousness. But it's not coming from fear. It's not coming from aggression or anger. It's not coming from pain. The arousal is ecstasy. A person is making connection. And when we measure the amount of gamma that's taking place in the person's brain.

53:223 % to 3 % of the population in anything that we're measuring, really good is three standard deviations outside of normal. These people are 200, 300, 400, 500 standard deviations outside of normal and three is really great. Is this on an FMRI? This is on a quantitative EEG. And we see the same pattern. the limbic brain, the seat of the autonomic nervous system is functioning in a very, very coherent, highly organized, very, very fast frequency of gamma. Now remember, stress is autonomic dysregulation, right? This regulation in the autonomic nervous system moving out of balance. These high states of gamma is autonomic regulation.

54:08Now the autonomic nervous system controls and coordinates every system in the body. And if it's processing an energy and a frequency that fast, every single cell in the body is getting the information. And the body's literally raised an energy and raised in frequency. And that's when you see the instantaneous upgrade that goes on biologically in a person's body. And we actually now can predict it when we see a person move into a certain level of theta, we can say, oh boy, This is going to be really good, like really good. And that person is having a very, very powerful internal experience. What is the felt sense that somebody will tend to go through during that process?

54:53What's the embodied subjective experience of going through this? So we have a scientist that studies the language of transformation from the University of Central Oklahoma, a super great guy, and he's been studying the language of transformation and all the testimonials of all the many other people who have had these moments. And the subjective experience is twofold. It's very somatic. What I mean somatic, I mean like they say, like every single cell in my body was vibrating at a fast. or frequency. I felt incredible. My heart felt like it was going to blow open. I felt like I was filled with light.

55:39They'll give you like something very somatic. Like, oh my god, it was, I felt this in my body. And then it's also very emotional. That's the other part. But it's not like emotional. Like, I've never felt love. I thought I understood love. I thought I have felt love. I've never felt love like this. I felt so connected. I felt so whole. I felt so pure. I felt it was the most familiar unfamiliar feeling I've ever had. Oh my god, I forgot. I forgot that I was within me, whatever. And then the other element is after that, they have a language where they only can use metaphor to describe the unknown experience.

56:21They'll say, yeah, my heart turned on like an engine. The top of my head blew off. There was lightning coming out of my fingertips. They're trying to explain, but they'll say, well, it wasn't lightning really. It just felt like this, but it was more like this. So the language specialist that has been studying this had his own moment at an event we did in Mark O' Island last September where he connected. And I sat down with him and talked to him and he could not find the language. The language guy. The language guy could not find the language to explain what the heck happened to him, but he was totally switched on.

57:04So, there's a no -rouse of the takes place. There's high gamma brainwave patterns. It's autonomic regulation. It's very somatic, it's very emotional, and there are people who describe it kind of like a connection. I want to talk about fear. Why do you think it's such a pervasive emotion given that we're living in a time which has never been safer than ever before? Well, I think fear has been very adaptive for us as human beings. I mean, I think, you know, if you have a lot of common sense and you're navigating in your life, There's certain things that you avoid that I think is healthy. And I think there's things where you can't predict something or you can't control something.

57:52And you kind of get ready. That's what the early stages of fear is. You kind of rev up and you get ready. You're ready to perform. You're ready to act. You're ready for something, right? And I think that's healthy when it's within a limit. And then when it gets to that point where you absolutely have the perception that it's going to get worse instead of get better That's when the brain goes into these these high states of arousal and the arousal is really pay a lot of attention to your body Pay a lot of attention to everything in your environment do not take your attention The degree of vigilance.

58:27Yeah, that's it is vigilance and and try to predict the worst thing Right now that could possibly happen predict the worst because if you can get ready for the worst And you're ready for it. Anything less that happens, you're going to survive. So the brain actually predicts the worst case scenario. When it picks that worst case scenario, the body goes into a heightened state of fear, right? And now in fear, though, the condition response that takes place from feeling that emotion is storing that emotion in the body, right? So now, what do you mean when you say storing the emotion in the body? Okay, so fear creates an arousal that switches on the fight or flight nervous system, right?

59:12So keep having the thought, keep having the response and you're taking thought in the form of chemistry and the form of emotion and you're literally activating that third center. And now that third center is storing an enormous amount of energy in it. And when there's a enormous amount of energy in that flex solar plexus That center that center is driving more information to the brain for you to be more ready for the next Possible thing that can go wrong and so you could have 10 really great things that go on in your day And one thing that goes wrong and you're gonna focus on that one wrong thing because you got to be prepared for it If it happens again, so so I think fear was adaptive at one point and it's become very maladaptive because, again, people are always trying to forecast the worst case scenario.

1:00:03How can people feel as if we've got this intrinsic drug dealer, this endogenous drug dealer inside of us that continues to just tick the button, Just keeping on pressing it, pressing it, pressing it, pressing it.

1:00:20Is becoming aware, is it stepping into noticing when that arises? Is it trying to find a degree of safety? Yeah. Well, I think what we discovered is that most people don't think that they have control over that. I mean, it's so primitive. It's so in our biology, it's hard to think that you have control over a fear of response. Now, there's nothing wrong with having a fear of response. There's nothing wrong with getting aroused. The question is, how long, like how long is this going to go on for? So you have a reaction five days ago from something that's happened and you're still aroused by that event.

1:01:06you got to agree that you're addicted to that emotion. Keep it going and it'll become more automatic. You'll constantly be thinking certain ways and doing certain things to reaffirm that addiction to fear. So for the short term, you know, have the fear of response. If you can't shorten the refractory period of that emotional response more than likely, you're going to be in a program for the remainder of your day. What we teach people is how to master the fear. Take anxiety as an example. Many people come to the work and they have a high amount of anxiety, CEOs, engineers, doctors, nurses, dentists, people can't cross a bridge.

1:01:55There's a business book called Only the Paranoid Survive, I think. Yeah, there you go. And they've tried everything to try to change their anxiety, but what they haven't done is they haven't caught themselves feeling the feeling of fear and practicing with their eyes close first. Not in their life when they're feeling fear, but let's practice when you're sitting in the meditation and your body starts getting a little anxious, starts getting a little worried, starts getting a little aroused. What are you going to do in that moment? Can you become aware that the body's feeling, that emotion, and could you like, like, taming an animal, settling the body back down from that aroused state back into the present moment?

1:02:39Okay? It goes great. I'm going to do this for two seconds, and like a spoiled child, it goes, it starts getting aroused again. Now, most people think I'm never going to be able to overcome this, but the act of sitting with that and keep lowering the volume and not letting the body be the mind, but you actually executing being the mind. Do that enough times and you'll condition the body to a new mind. And what happens is the brain stops firing those same circuits. Okay, then the person says, but what if this happens and what if that happens and then what if this happens and they catch themselves going to the worst case scenario or going to the memory of the past and they keep bring their attention back to the present moment.

1:03:24What we discovered is if you keep doing that, you get better at it. And when the body, as I said, finally surrenders into the present moment, it cannot be in fear any longer. So the person then that returns back into their life and has lowered the volume to the fear because they've been practicing it will respond less emotionally in their life because they've overcome it. If they haven't overcome it, then the response is going to be the same. So first thing, eyes closed. You got to practice with your eyes closed, but get so good at doing it with your eyes closed that you can do it with your eyes open.

1:04:01And when it's the hardest, it matters the most. And so justified, valid or not. Those chemicals are not good for you. They're not good for you. Whether you're right, whether you're justified, the only person that's hurting is you, right? So then the person who says, okay, Well, is this is just loving to me? Okay. So the fear is real. Okay. So what what emotion could you change from fear into? Okay? So we teach people okay, can you practice breathing and slowing your brain waves down working with the animal working with the body slow your breath down slow your brain waves down Yeah, but I don't want to okay do it anyway Practice slowing your breath down breathing a little bit slower your brain waves start to change put your attention on your heart We have great data to show where you place your attention is where you place your energy.

1:04:51You see a very low frequency of the heart starting to build in the person. So now the heart is getting energy and then parasympathetic nervous system starts coming up. The body starts moving into that state. Okay, that's really great. It keeps doing it over and over again. Keep relaxing into your heart, energy moving into the heart. The heart informs the brain. The trauma is over. Betrayals over. the event is over, what you're afraid of is over. And it resets the baseline in the amygdala for trauma. And the side effect of that is the person now, when energy moves into their heart like that, they start getting very creative.

1:05:28The heart is a very creative center. Okay, what do I want to do now? What do I want to create now? So it's something that you can only talk around. But when you're in the work and you're practicing it, it's first so important to face off with it with your eyes closed and it's David against Goliath in the beginning because the program is so ingrained in our biology. And yet people who keep practicing lowing the vahn, lowing the vahn, you see the brain scans. So CEO's, as I said, all kinds of different athletes. You see the dramatic change in the brain. There's the anxiety. And now it's gone. And there's just a significant change in a person's subjective view of the world as well.

1:06:07Now, is this your format, your process to move through most painful emotions?

1:06:20That's one of the ways that we do it. I think just it isn't enough to inhibit the thought and the feeling. I think it's practicing feeling something else. And then we use technology to actually tell you when you're doing it and when you're not. That's so important. So take a Navy SEAL, for example, who has done all the talk therapy, tried all the pharmaceuticals, tried all the antidepressants, tried all the pain relievers, tried the ayahuasca, tried the plant medicine, and they still can't function in their life. Right? And so why can't they function in their life? Because they haven't gotten beyond the emotion that's keeping them connected to the past.

1:07:10So if what you said earlier on is true and you continue to replay this story and if your body and your physiological system and your endocrine system and everything else is just cascading down the same, it's like you're reliving, it is actually like you're reliving that same experience over and over and over and over again. So it does make sense. It would be like trying to fix a soldier's PTSD see while he's still in the field. Exactly. Because that is why the brain is taking him back to. Yeah. So we have seen people come right up to the edge of their emotional belief. We're the pain, where the emotion is at its height.

1:07:55And the hardest part of every war is the last battle. And they go one more time. You know, they're just saying I'm gonna go again. And when they go again, many times they, they're, that's when they have their breakthrough. And the breakthrough isn't, as I said, just like, a little breakthrough. It's an immediate relief for the person. And so that's the moment then, when they look back at their past, they see it through a whole different lens. I want to show you a clip of Theo Vaughn with Sean Strickland. So Sean Strickland is the current UFC middleweight champion and in a podcast with the two of them He talks about some trauma that he's been through in his best You know I'm talking about Have you ever heard that?

1:08:51Yeah, I'm sorry bud So I'm sorry buddy We don't have to talk man, I can just sit here with you for a minute.

1:09:07Oh fuck. I think it's a hard thing that people don't understand by trauma, you know? Yeah. What do you say when you look at that? Oh, I see a real vulnerable moment moment for somebody, really vulnerable moment. And yeah, I think childhood trauma is, I think probably the biggest trauma for many people to overcome because children, their brain waves are very slow. I mean, in alpha, in theta, and information goes in very quickly right into their subconscious. And I think that we figure out adaptive ways to not have to feel those emotions or not have to look at that past, but we're always aware of it.

1:10:01It's always there, right? But we don't really have a moment where we fully allow ourselves to experience it. And I think he had a moment where by association, he let himself be vulnerable, which I think is great. That video is every single time I watch it is very difficult to watch for me and it's twofold. It's first off someone that's become a professional, hard person, right? He just punches people in the face. He likes violence, him opening up and him struggling and then Theo saying, it's okay man, we don't need to talk. We can just sit here for a while if you want. It's so beautiful. Yeah, and I think uncertainty and I think that moment of vulnerability needs space.

1:10:48I think it needs space and it needs time for the person to sit in that and allow themselves to fully feel it, right? And that's how you sit in it long enough, it goes away. It finally goes away. What's your advice for somebody playing the Theo role? someone's having a conversation with somebody else who is on the verge of opening up, they're on the cusp of feeling something uncomfortable or trying to open up about it. How can someone hold space more effectively? Oh, I think all people really want to do is feel safe and feel loved. So again, I think he played that really, really well. And that is just let that person know that you're there for them and give them the room to go as far as they want to go.

1:11:38And some people feel really safe when that happens, and I think they release it. You mentioned before about this discomfort with feeling feelings. We live in a world which is very good at distracting us from feeling feelings. There are a whole host of drugs, philosophies, technologies, ways of thinking that can distract us away from feeling feelings. And if there's somebody that's listening to this and thinking to themselves, I don't think I'm feeling my feelings that folly. How can someone get back in the rhythm of feeling the feelings again? Yeah, you got to sit with yourself. You're going to take your device and set it in the other room.

1:12:24You've got to shut it off and feel without that thing. And you got to think for yourself. And I think that kind of art of contemplation has been lost because I think that process of self -reflection kind of is a building process neurologically in our brains. And so to, you know, we joke all the time with people who go through a week -long event, I say to them, when's the last time you sat with you this long till you finally like you? You have you sit with yourself long enough. Those feelings are going to come up. They will come up because you have nothing to do. You have nothing to do. Your inner world and how you're thinking and how you're feeling is going to become very obvious to you.

1:13:15And so I think people ask all the time, well, why is my health condition like this? What are the thoughts? What are the feelings that I need to change? It's really simple. sit with yourself and you'll know exactly what it is that you need to change. So I think you got to create a time to invest in yourself. One of the things that I've discovered with many people that tell us stories of transformation is that they kind of have this kind of belief like I believe this stuff works. I just never believed it could work for me. I mean that's a really really fundamentally key moment in a person's evolution because that means they actually have to change their belief.

1:14:00And that's sometimes a, that means I got to come out of the resting state and they got to choose themselves every day. I see that with a lot of things that, that's something that's nice, but for other people. That's something which I believe could be true. The data seems to be, to be true, but that's not for me. The weight loss isn't for me. The transformation isn't for me. The relationship that's healthy isn't for me. The group of friends that genuinely want the best for me isn't for me. This... It's like solipsism in a way. It's persistent disbelief. Yes, but only around you. Of course, but there all there is is you.

1:14:43So that person then, who's arguing for some limitation, just doesn't believe that they can change their life. They don't believe that their thoughts have something to do with their destiny. They don't believe in possibility because they don't believe in themselves. You cannot believe in possibility without believing in yourself. If you believe in yourself, that means you got to believe in possibility. And that means you got to do something. You got to get off the couch. you know, you got to get up and you got to get engaged in your world. And you got to be a creator in your life and instead of a victim in your life.

1:15:19Now that's an easy thing to say, but it means that means you have to carve out some time for you. I mean, and you invest in yourself, invest in yourself, and invest in your future. Do it and get uncomfortable and know that that's normal. That's natural. That's the unknown. Okay. If you have, if I keep making the same choices, I'm going to keep having the same health condition. If I keep doing the same things, I'm going to still have the same level of abundance. Okay, so I got to start making changes. It's not that hard to do it if you really want to do it. I mean, if you really want to do it, then you'll invest in yourself.

1:15:55Now, for me, I think everybody to some degree, Chris, believes that they have a hand in creating their life, unless they've had a really, really horrible childhood in past. But on some level, people believe it, right? So people say, well, yeah, okay. So I believe that I can get the car, I can get the vacation, I can get the new home, I can get the relationship, I can get the second home, I don't know, whatever it is that people want. But the way they're going to do it is, okay, I'm going to work really hard, I'm going to study a lot, there's nothing wrong with this, by the way. I'm going to be trained, I'm going to learn, I'm going to make a bunch of wrong choices.

1:16:32I've been to learn from my mistakes and then I'm going to get really good at gathering a lot of things and doing these things. Okay, I've created a certain degree in my life, but people who really really Start shortening the distance between the thought of what they want and experience of having it Something changes they may say, oh, I have the belief that I create my my life in some way, but is it possible that It's more than the synchronicity, you know more than the parking space more than thinking of a friend and they call you like Everybody kind of accepts that as kind of, oh, that's possible.

1:17:06Well, why don't I take it to the next level? I mean, what if there, what if you could actually do more of that? Like, is that a belief that you can begin to embrace? So that means if you believe that on some level that you can create something greater of greater magnitude, greater amplitude, that means then you'd have to get involved in the experience a little bit more. That means I'd have to believe how could I possibly do that? Like, what would it take for me to do that? And so people evolve their belief around creation when they start seeing bigger synchronicities happen in their life like the opportunity the the job the the phone call the synchronicity the coincidence that's bigger than the parking space because they're investing in themselves now here's the cool part The moment they have that synchronicity and it has something to do with what they're doing inside of them They're gonna pay attention to what they did inside of them.

1:17:57We're gonna do it again They're going to believe now, oh, I actually am the creator of my life. I'm no longer the victim of my life. Keep practicing that over time. Keep getting better at it. You don't have to go anywhere and do anything to get things. Somehow they seem to come to you. Somehow the opportunity is coming to you and you're not having to do it. Now, that's another way to create. And we're all creators. So taking time to be a creator, taking time to invest in yourself, taking time to get involved in the experiment. This is an experiment to see, to measure the effects of you at cost, right?

1:18:36So do it really good one way and then find out a way if there's a way to flow, if there's a way to change, that all of a sudden allows your environment to change around you when you change. That's when the experiment gets exciting. I want to talk about gratitude. What do most people get wrong when it comes to a gratitude practice? Get wrong. Well, if you think about it when you receive something favorable or just receive something favorable, if something wonderful is happening to you or something wonderful just happened to you, the feeling that's created from that experience is called gratitude.

1:19:17So the emotional signature of gratitude means something wonderful is happening to you or something wonderful has just happened to you. And gratitude is the ultimate state of receiving. That's the ultimate state. So yeah, you can practice with gratitude, journal, and write down the things in your life that you're grateful for. and I think that has a really great reminder to manage your attention and to manage your energy. But by the same means, can you be grateful for things that you haven't had yet, but you believe enough that you can have? Now, we only accept, believe and surrender, to thoughts that are equal to our emotional state.

1:20:05We'll never accept, believe and surrender, to thoughts that are not equal to our emotional state. So if you're feeling really unhappy and you're feeling really negatively and you're thinking positively, the thought of thinking positively never makes it past the brainstem to get to the body because the body is feeling miserable. Positive thought never changes the biology. Okay, so people accept, believe in surrender information, equals with emotional state, you watch something on a program and you get fear, the information that comes in after that fear, you're going to accept. You get a diagnosis, the doctor says you got this amount of time to live and you're in that state, that information is going to go right into your subconscious mind because that information is equal to the emotional state that you're in.

1:20:55Makes sense? So you can't think positively, I'm healthy, I'm wealthy, I'm free, I'm unlimited and your body's going, no, you're not dude, that you're miserable. So the thought never makes it to the body, okay. So that means then we would have to change the emotional state of the body and we're doing research on this really, it's really fascinating research on this now. So the person then wants to accept, believe in surrender to thoughts of their future and they wanna reprogram their subconscious mind to a new future. If they're feeling gratitude, gratitude. In gratitude is the ultimate state of receiving.

1:21:35They will actually accept believe in surrender to the thoughts that they're thinking equal to that emotional state. And that's exactly what programs the autonomic nervous system to begin to make a pharmacy of chemicals that causes the body to move into restoration, growth, and repair. And a lot of immune function. So we took a group of people in a study and we measured their So, in the quarter -zole levels, we measured an immunoglobulin called IGA, immunoglobulin A. It's your body's natural defense, it's the body's flu shot. In fact, it works better than any flu shot. And so, as quarter -zole levels go up, IGA levels go down.

1:22:16Because if you're in emergency, your immune system's compromised. If all your energy's going to the outer world, and you have no energy in your inner world, you're going to be unhealthy, and the internal protection system kind of closes down. Okay, so four days of changing their emotions from resentment, enjudgment, and frustration, and impatience to gratitude and appreciation. Four days. And we measured their hearts because when you're frustrated and you're impatient and you're judgmental, your heart beats very differently when you're grateful. Well, when you're grateful, your heart starts to beat in a rhythmic way.

1:22:56In, there's a couple pathways where oxytocin signals nitric oxide and nitric oxide signals another chemical that causes the arteries in your heart literally to swell, to open up. And so when you actually feel gratitude, there's a physiological component that takes place where your heart feels full. And when energy or blood makes it to the heart and energy makes it to the heart, it's a different consciousness, right? It's a different level of awareness than when you're feeling resentful or you're feeling impatient. So, feel the emotion of gratitude and open your heart, keep activating that center.

1:23:34We discovered that when a person feels that emotion, they do it for four days, the Rig -A levels went up 50 % just in four days. So, there's no robust the muse in response that takes place by just changing from those limited emotions to more elevated emotions. So we saw that when a person's feeling gratitude and their heart goes from kind of a very incoherent state to a more regulated and organized state, that once energy makes it to the heart, as I said earlier, somehow it begins to move to the brain. And if you would imagine like grabbing a big sheet and going like this. It's almost like the heart is causing this beautiful pattern of energy moving to the brain, causes the brain to move in these beautiful alpha -brain -wave states.

1:24:27That is that state of imagination. So I think when we're grateful, those social networks turn on where we want to connect. I think we have more appreciation for the moment and I think we're more prone to give, which actually releases more oxytocin, which releases more nitric oxide, and causes us to feel even better. So we teach people then to feel grateful for things that they haven't had yet, as well as the things that they have in their life, and it tends to produce profound changes in their biology. Tactically, what are the cues that you're giving to people? There will be people that are listening now that think, I have a gratitude practice, I've seen the results from existing research, positive psychology.

1:25:11Gratitude seems to be one of the most robust ways to improve your baseline level of happiness, completely free, cost -free. What are the most powerful elements of a gratitude practice? What are the triggers? What are the tactics? What are the way markers that you're saying this is something that you should be really focused on when it comes to your gratitude practice? Yeah, I think the first step is changing your physiology. I think there's levels of gratitude that you could feel, but you have to stop feeling other things first in order to feel it. So it's not... I don't think it's enough, and I'm just saying this for myself.

1:25:50It's not enough for me to feel gratitude for five minutes and then spend the rest of my day feeling miserable. That's not why I'm doing it. I'm doing it to sustain that state for an extended period of time. That's I want to get really good at doing it with my eyes open. So I believe that if I'm walking around in a state of gratitude with my eyes open and I can sustain that state for an extended period of time, there should be there should be opportunities coming to me as a result of my change in energy, right? So I make the effort in the experiment, okay, because this is an experiment. I make the effort in the experiment that if I can stay in this great state of gratitude, that I should see something unusual come to me as a result of it.

1:26:38That's why I do it. So that means that you have to, we're hypnotized and we're conditioned to believe that something out there has to change in order to take away the lack of separation of not having it inside of me. Gratitude kind of fills that lack and so if you're not waiting for your life to change to feel that emotion, you're actually saying if I generate gratitude, I actually heal. If I generate gratitude, I should create this in my life. So I just like to use it in a way that tends to be more creative and not just be grateful for the things that I have. I think that has a lot of great biological effects, but as the creator in your life, to shorten the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of having it without having to do a whole lot, I think gratitude is that perfect state of receivership.

1:27:26Talk to me about the role of hard work and how you see it, because there is a temptation, I can imagine, for people to believe that thinking it is all that needs to happen. And this, you know, I remember Ronda Bunn who wrote the secret. There was a tsunami in Thailand or Indonesia Boxing Day, 2005, I think 2006, something like that. And there was a famous news article that came out shortly after that. I think the secret had come out. And then as always, an author that's got a book that's in circulation. Let's get Rhonda Burn to comment on this geological issue. And she said that the reason that the tsunami had hit the people of Indonesia or Thailand was because that they were attracting that energy.

1:28:17And that went down quite poorly, perhaps unsurprisingly, that hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced by a tsunami, and it was being blamed on them for sending out energy that then got this tsunami to come. The converse being that lots of people who believe in agency and like the idea that they've got control over their own lives take a very materialist, very utilitarian, very sort of rationalist, traditionalist, perspective on, I just need to do the thing. So how do you marry this need for hard work with the insights that you have around envisioning your future? I don't I just want to define hard work first because I think I don't see hard work as the way people see hard work.

1:29:03I mean I'm a very immersive person. So if I'm going to get good at something, I'm going to put my mind, my body, my heart and soul behind whatever it is I'm going to do. And I do that because I like it. You know, I like to learn, I like to experience, I like to grow. And I think you can get really good at doing it one way. In the hard work, you know, all the stuff we talked about, get really good at doing it and become successful and then have just about everything you want. But you may not truly have happiness. you just may have a lot of things and you got really good at doing it, right? Okay, so for me I said there's got to be another way.

1:29:42There's got to be another way to do it. That's different than the way that I've done it. I've gotten really good at doing that. Is there another way to create where I don't actually have to go and do something? If I could change my energy and I've been at this long enough to tell you that nobody changes, until they change their energy. If I change my energy, well my life changed. That's kind of the experiment that I'm interested in. Okay, so what piece of knowledge, what piece of information, let me find the information that can help me build the model of understanding that this is actually possible.

1:30:11Now, I'm not watching Netflix, I'm not watching Ted Lasso, I'm not watching suits, I'm not watching the news, I'm not watching the game, I'm reading this information because I want to understand the what and the why. Okay, now I got it. Okay, quantum physics says Einstein says the field is the sole governing agency of the particle. The field controls the particle. Particle doesn't control the particle. Energy controls matter. Okay? All right, let me build this model a little bit further. If the field is sole governing agency of the particle, then it's not matter that's emitting the field. It's actually a field that's actually slowing down frequency and creating matter.

1:30:49Okay. I'm telling you all this because I'm using quantum physics as a way to help us understand that mind and matter are inextricably combined. It's impossible to separate the two. Okay, well, it works on the very tiny level of subatomic particles, but can it work on a greater level? Can you make real life events happen in your life and collapse the wave function? Okay, well, if I matter trying to change matter, if I'm Joe D'Spenza aware that I'm local in space in time immersed into the illusion of this virtual reality experience, this hologram. Then I got to play by the rules of Newtonian physics, which you got to predict and plan and do a lot of things, okay?

1:31:27Okay, what if I could get to the field? What if I could become pure consciousness and be aware of nothing, physical and material, become nobody, become no one in nothing and nowhere in no time, become pure consciousness and move to that realm beyond space and time. Okay, let me just say, okay, if I could get there as pure consciousness and I'm not aware of my body, not aware of my environment, not aware of time, and I'm in the field. Okay, what are the principles of the field? Everything's connected, everything's frequency, everything's energy. There's less separation, there's more wholeness. Okay.

1:32:00So if I get to the field and I can create from the field instead of from matter as an experiment, could I then begin to produce changes in the field that ultimately would change the hologram of three -dimensional reality? Okay. So I may not be very good at it at the beginning. So it's going to take some unlearning and changing my beliefs about a lot of things and studying them, make sure that when I do it, I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. Okay. So nothing happens. Do I go back to just going back the other way or am I just not that good? So maybe I'm just not that good yet. Like maybe I got to get better at it.

1:32:33So I'm going to practice again. I'm going to keep building my model through experience and then all of a sudden you start noticing changes. Now the hard work was worth the effort when I start seeing the effects that it creates in my life. So I think that there's a delicate balance between intention and that's getting clear on what you want and surrender Which means trusting in the outcome and if you over intend You're working really hard and you're trying really hard and if you over surrender you're lazy and lethargic and you're not doing anything Right, so it's kind of a razor's edge when you talk about hard work because for me It really is about building a model of understanding and then being able to immerse myself in the experience to prove to myself that it actually could be the truth.

1:33:23So the hard work is just good, clean effort and getting so lost in the act of what you're doing that the act actually becomes the experience. I know that for me, when I get to that point where I've stretched myself past the point where I normally stop, especially in a meditation, if I go one more time, it's not the same. It's always worth the effort. Something changes when I go past that point. I think that works in all kinds of ways. I think hard work for me is just immersing myself until I start seeing effects. There's a line from Machiavelli where he says, God doesn't want to do everything.

1:34:02Some of it is up to you. I think that's a nice blending of those two. I have another friend who we were at a party. My birthday party actually last year. And we were walking back toward his car who was parked nearby and he was going to give me a left home And I was waiting for him to beep the car so that I could get in and he didn't and the door was open Did you not lock your car? He says, I don't lock my car That's interesting. Why do you do that? He says I'm not sure man. The universe just has my back and Locking your car. I think that's just that's a sufficient low lift that you might as well do it anyway But that line really stuck with me.

1:34:38The universe has my back and the times when I feel like that's the case The times when I feel like I'm swimming downstream not upstream Life's better. Yeah undeniably life's better. Well, you may have to put 10 in and get one out in the beginning And then if you stick with it you put one in you get 10 out and that's when it gets fun So there'll be a lot of people listening who again the people who pray at the altar of raw cognition, right? Very, very utilitarian materialistic, that left brain is always on. How can they learn to expand the view of what contributes to happiness and well -being and fulfillment and achievement in life?

1:35:24What would you say to the person who's still unsure? Well, I think it was the last year we were at an event, a week -long event. And we do a lot of walking meditations because you gotta be able to stand as it, walk as it, sit as it, lay down as it. And so we do a lot of walking meditations to embody it. And I was, it was in, Ken Coon, Mexico. There was 2200 people at that event. We were on the beach at sunrise. The sun was coming up. This is one of the last meditations, you know, and I just, I looked at all these people and they were looking facing the sun, they had their hands over their heart and their eyes were closed.

1:36:03So many of them, like, had tears of joy, rolling down their face. They were so incredibly joyful, so incredibly grateful, so worthy in that moment. And I realized like, nobody is making them happy in that moment, but them. And I think when we hit these points where we finally break free from the chains, you know, of our own limitations, I think when we overcome the emotional addictions that keep us tormented and reliving the past, I think that the overcoming of those emotional addictions aside effect is joy. It's a freedom of expression without feeling limited in any way. I can tell you that again, this is only my experience, but when I look at an audience of people, you know, at the end of seven days, and I always tell them, nobody's making you happy, but you.

1:37:07And all you've done is decided who not to be and who to be. And you've sat with yourself long enough to change that. So when people do that and they get to that point where they're worthy to receive, they showed up enough times when they could have laid in bed or skipped a meditation, but they didn't, that they kept showing up. I think the universe only gives us what we think we're worthy of receiving, right? And so the person who's feeling that level of happiness at level of joy because they've made themselves happy, then they're okay with you and they're okay with everybody and I think that's the important point is that when we overcome ourselves the side effect of that is true joy.

1:37:54How can people better learn to love themselves? Wow, I mean that's an interesting conversation. I think love has to be redefined And it's a some degree, because I think a lot of people have a different definition about love. But once again, I really have seen this numerous times. They have to practice feeling love. I mean, you cannot love unless you practice feeling it. And I think if you practice feeling love, you get better at feeling love. And if you get better at feeling love, you become less selfish and more selfless. In other words, when you're executing from your heart, when you're feeling love, I think you consider the whole.

1:38:45And so for me, I think when people push themselves past that point where they normally stop, and they truly, truly believe in themselves. I think they're in love with themselves. And when they're in love with themselves, they're pretty much in love with everybody. And when they're angry at themselves, they're angry at others. And when they're resentful with themselves, they're judgmental of themselves or judgmental of others. I think that's the law. So we've seen it numerous times. We've seen, you know, especially when you see a collective group of people in a state of joy. It's not common that you see that in the world these days.

1:39:26I heard a story from you about the basketball player, maybe basketball player in a wheelchair who said that you never loved himself at one of your events. It just really struck me that line I never really loved myself. Oh yeah, yeah. I was really interested. He had MS, I'm pretty sure he's professional football player I think you and he came to the event it was kind of funny and he his brother brought him there and he thought he was coming to a yoga reach he didn't know what he was getting into and you know the guy came in a wheelchair and he's walking at the end of the event he never occurred to him to love himself and we had it someone else with ALS that came in a wheelchair and they brought him backstage he was walking on that beach and he said oh my god And the more I practice feeling love, the more I feel like I'm healing.

1:40:20He didn't say, I'm, how come I'm not healed all the way? He said, oh my God, every time I feel deeper and deeper levels of love, somehow my body is changing and healing. So now, now he's feeling love with an intention to heal, right? And I think that's, I think that's, I think that you get to a certain point where, you know, what we've seen this, we've seen oxytocin levels in our community. You know, the love chemical, you know, 200 times normal. And when you're feeling that amount of love, it's really hard to hold a grudge. You would never want to stop feeling that way. And so you're okay with everybody, and that's the...

1:40:59Any other thought that you have is ripping you out if that state that you're already in? You start to go, oh my God, I like feeling this a lot. So then now it just becomes contagious. You want to feel more of it. And I think there's always more love. Is there something similar to do with fear of other people, judgment of others, criticism, dealing with criticism of other people that if you have this sense of innate comfort, enjoy with where you're at, that any opportunity or risk or threat for that to change just looks like a really shit deal. Why would I take that deal? I want to take that deal.

1:41:39Yeah, and I think that's a natural state of being when we're not in survival. You know, when we move out of survival, I think we tend to be as a species, very good, very kind, very caring, very loving, very supportive, very informative, and that's what people heal each other, people shine for one another. I think that's who we are. We're wired to be that as well as a species. And I think that's that model of then when you're like when we see in the coherence healing is as a you get a group of people that behave all kinds of ways in their life and you get them and come together and you instruct them and they all behave the same way.

1:42:18When they all behave the same way it's no different than that flock of birds or school of fish. There's an emergent consciousness that's taking place. In other words, in the whole the whole is greater than some of the parts and the intention to heal another person as an example as the collective puts their attention on these individuals. What they're saying is we're intentionally making the effort to heal this person because when we do heal this person we strengthen the whole, right? And so something happens with us where we're wired, I don't know why it's so much easier to clean your neighbors back, your are then your own.

1:42:52But something in us, innate in us, where we get to give life to another person's life or to love another person into life. Wow, I was just in a Zoom call Yesterday with an autistic guy 27 years old that was catatonic, he could move. I mean, it's a horrible depression and God, just a different scuba diving in Cancun last year after our event, a different character. But that's not important. What's important is the people that administered the healing on him. And the mother who was sitting there telling the story about how their lives have changed because he just broke out. Like he's a different guy.

1:43:34He's super poetic. He can talk. Now he couldn't talk before. He's practicing. I mean, this is a new life for him, right? And she's crying. And you want to talk about self love, the group of people that had ministered the healing or all on the call. And we're all, I'm on the call too. And we're crying because we're feeling the mother's gratitude. And I think that's one of the greatest ways we can feel gratitude is when we receive it. So some kind of empathy is born that says that God we made a difference in someone's life. We took care of somebody in the tribe. Like we're strengthened because of this.

1:44:14And this kind of empathy that takes place kind of draws us closer together when we bond better. So the experience then for that person who had managed the healing is creating a level of love that they hadn't had before. And it wasn't from getting the sports car and it was from going on the vacation. It was by giving to somebody else and then opening your heart becomes less of a technique. It's not a technique any longer. It's just a way, right? It's a thing. And so the people that do these coherence healing is remotely in great studies on autism, great studies on PTSD, great effects on all kinds of health conditions remotely.

1:44:55I have sat with them and they say, I would never miss, I would never miss because I could have the worst day in the world. And I can, when it's no longer about me, it's about somebody else. And I can do this and I can make a change in a person's life. They're moving closer to love, right? They're the experience then from that experience that they've never had before, or the repeated experience brings them so much joy, so much love, that they need less from their outer world. And I think that we're wired to be that way. Self -regulation, the term that gets thrown around an awful lot. What's that mean to you?

1:45:33Tactically, how do you employ that?

1:45:37It's so easy in a matter of seconds. to react, to someone or something, to respond to some stray thought. And in a matter of seconds, default back to those subconscious and unconscious programs because that emotion is driving you to behave as if you're in the past. It's automatic, right? So it's seamless. The default system causes us to lose our connection to the vision of the future, our belief in the future. and it happens so fast that we forget of that future, right? So self -regulation is the ability to regulate your control, your internal state of how you're thinking and feeling, in a condition in your environment that normally would create another feeling or another emotion, right?

1:46:30So here's one of the things we did in our studies. We don't do it any moment, we did it for a long time. We saw that our community, we could teach them how to make their heart beat more coherently. When the heart does that, it sends out a magnetic field up to three meters wide. It's a big field. And people can get really good at that. And you can do it in a ballroom with a thousand other people, a two thousand other people. Close your eyes. Forget about your outer environment. Breathe and feel. Practice feeling is elevated emotions. Get good at it. And you can manage that. Okay. But what about when you open your eyes now?

1:47:05What happens when you walk out into your life? You know, and so we decided that we would take our entire community and We would put them in circumstances and conditions whether it was repelling off the side of a building or standing on the top of a 50 foot pole and you know reaching for you know jumping for trampoline Whatever it was bit of dysregulation Something to disrupt that level of order and this was not about an adrenaline rush This was actually about the opposite. That if you put the person in the circumstances that would normally cause an automatic fear response, automatic vigilance, automatic anxiety, and give them something to do and teach them how to regulate their internal state.

1:47:52Get back into hardcore here and send their wearing monitors when we're doing this. Practice that and accomplish. right? If you could self -regulate in that moment and you return back into your life and you just did it there, it's going to feel like you should be able to do it in your life as well. Not only that, if you put the stakes really high and the threshold is really high, then you face the problems in your life. You're like, ah, that's not so bad relative to what I just did. So self -regulation is to be able to change your emotional state, get back into that heart relaxed, Relaxed, the formula that we discovered is that the more relaxed you are in your heart, the more awake you are in your brain.

1:48:31For some reason, if you keep relaxing in your heart, the brain keeps becoming more awake and aware. So instead of stressed out, unconscious and living in a program, practicing, relaxing your heart and awake in your brain can actually become a habit. So being able to regulate your emotional state in the same environment, in other words, think, act, and feel differently in the same conditions in your life. And that's regulation. What are the cues that you're getting people to follow? What are the most powerful ways that people can self -regulate? Oh, my goodness. We discovered that when energy makes it to the heart and moves to the brain, we start seeing this resonance that starts to take place in the brain.

1:49:13In other words, if people get really good at this, their brain actually has a delta wave that's acting as a carrier to a theta wave. And the theta wave is in a resonance or a harmonic to an alpha, an alpha to beta, beta to high beta, and high beta right to gamma. So we practice doing that with our eyes closed and we do it over and over again, relaxed and awake, relaxed and awake. And then of course, we practice the walking meditation. So if you can do it seated in your chair, that's stand up. Let's all go to the beach. Let's practice standing up. Why? Because you got to practice standing up, practice with your eyes closed.

1:49:50Do the same thing. You were doing laying down. I'll do it standing up. Okay. Now I can do it standing up. I can change my state. Now let's open your eyes. Now, what do you say do it standing up? What is it? Practice relaxing in your heart. It's a formula that we use. It's a meditation that we use. And we take people through it. So practice that, standing up instead of laying down. Now open your eyes and self -regulate. like practice doing that with your eyes open until it becomes a habit, right? So walk in that state with your eyes open, keep practicing that over and over again. Sooner or later, it's gonna become easier and easier for you to do it.

1:50:25So when a person has practiced it enough times, they can create the distinction, they can know the difference between when they're there and when they're not. They'll know it immediately, they lose it, like they fall from grace. Oh, I lost it. So then they have just one of two choices. Stay in the program the rest of the day and complain, blame, and make excuses and feel sorry for yourself. Or pause for a moment, excuse yourself, get back into that state, relax on your heart and awaken your brain again. And being able to do it when you're out of balance is the reason why we do it. We're doing it to get back into balance.

1:51:03So it takes practice, but gosh, we have so many people that do it really well. So walk as it, practice with your eyes open, just like you do with your eyes closed. Talk to me about the power of mental rehearsal. This is something that you spend a lot of time working on. Yes, so I'm always fascinated with neurogenesis or growth in the brain. I've always been fascinated by it. And so if you look at a musician, you look at athlete, you look at a performer or an actress, You look at a dancer, anybody who's learning a skill, there's a period of time where they have to consciously practice what they're doing.

1:51:47They have to consciously put a lot of their attention, a lot of their awareness and a lot of their energy on what they're doing. It takes a lot of energy for them to start this whole process. If they keep practicing it after a period of time, the redundancy of the experience then starts to install enough circuitry for them to do it more automatically. It just gets more natural and easy. And that's kind of the physical rehearsal of whatever they're doing. That's really important. But what separates that person to the mind of the champion is the person who will sit down and rehearse the act of what they're about to do.

1:52:26They'll take the time and they'll mentally rehearse the action. And what the research shows is that when you mentally rehearse doing something, the brain does not know the difference between the outside world event and what you're imagining in your mind to the brain. It's exactly the same. So as you begin to rehearse what you're doing and you put yourself in the scene and you practice it, if the brain doesn't know the difference between the real life experience, that's out there and what you're rehearsing in your mind experience creates circuitry in the brain. So you start laying down hardware in the brain to look like you've done it.

1:53:02To look like you've already experienced it. Now the brains, as I said no longer record it past, it's now becoming a map to the future, okay? Keep practicing it, doing it past that point, keep rehearsing it, then all of a sudden nerve cells that fire together, wire together, it gets more automatic, it gets more like a software program, it becomes easier to do. So studies have been done on this where they took people that never played the piano before and divided them into categories. And they did functional scans on both of the groups. And in one group, they had them come and learn one hand at Scales and Cords for five days.

1:53:39They had to practice two hours a day. And so they played the Scales and Cords, and at the end of five days, as you would imagine, they had a whole new set of circuits in the motor cortex of the brain. Well, you learn new information, learning's making new synaptic connections, get some instruction, get your body involved and get your body involved. You're going to have an experience, experience in which is the brain. Pay attention to what you're doing. You've got to pay attention and repeat it over and over again, repetition, firing and wiring. You assemble neural architecture. Okay. Post scans show that.

1:54:09Take a group of people and have them close their eyes and mentally hear us playing the scales and chords for two hours a day for five days. At the end of those five days, the people that mentally rehearse playing the scales and chords, their brain looked like they've been playing the piano for five days, but they never lift the finger. Take those people and sediment from a piano, and they weren't played the piano before, and they'll actually play those scales and chords. So they prime their brain so they can actually step into that footprint. So if you're going to really want to begin to make measurable changes in your life because you want to heal from your condition or disease, then you can't be resentful around your ex.

1:54:45And so you're going to have to figure out a way how you're going to have to act, what would love do, what would greatness look like? How am I going to, how am I going to overcome this? And how am I going to behave in this circumstance? Because the one hour of my good meditation where I felt great and in my heart and connected and coherent in my brain. And then the rest of the day, I'm frustrated and patient. Okay, I got to figure this out. So I'm feeling better. I'm sleeping better. I have more energy. I have less pain, but my, my values are still the same. Okay, one hour against 15 hours. I got, I got to get, I got a cart rehearsing so I could actually get in the game so that I'm not going to fall and return back to default to that old personality because I'm not going to heal.

1:55:30Throughout this conversation I've had this idea in my mind of sort of the shallowness of a lot of practice that doesn't necessarily incorporate this. And I've spent a lot of time with some very very smart people that are very very effective at getting behavior to change. But I often wonder about how much deeper than the behavior it goes into belief about what they're worthy of. Many people are really great at doing things even if they don't think that they're worthy of doing them. For a very, that's kind of like the intrinsic side of imposter syndrome when you succeed. I didn't believe that I could do the thing.

1:56:10I went out and did the thing and yet I still don't feel like I was worthy of the success that doing the thing gave me, right? And it kind of shows to me this, I think, shallowness is the closest, what I can think of. Let's see how I can say this. I thought people came to our work to heal, to create abundance, to get a new job, to have a new relationship, to have a mystical experience. I really thought that. Those were the reasons that they thought they came. But really what they're really coming for is wholeness. Because when you're whole, it's really hard to want. You could only want when you're in lack or you're in separation.

1:56:49We actually create from lack. We actually create from separation. If you see something that you don't have that someone else has and you're aware now that it exists and you say, I want that, the lack of not having it actually inspires you to create and get it. We create from lack and separation. If people are spending their whole time and their life working really hard to get the things that they want and behaving differently so they can get that thing. And then when the novelty wears off from that thing, here comes that feeling again of lack and separation. And we reach a point in our life. For many people, nothing's making that feeling go away.

1:57:28And that's a really important moment in life where you start realizing, oh my god, I got to wake up because there's never going to be something that does it out there. Well that's one of the reasons I think that you get sort of gold medalist syndrome or whatever the equivalent is that you can always justify to yourself that, ah, that's it. It wasn't the $2 million house. It's the $4 million. That's the one. This was just the reason that I still feel empty after having achieved that. It wasn't the corner office. It's the corner office with the penthouse windows at the top. It wasn't the wife and there is no, there is always a manana.

1:58:07Yeah, I think people confuse pleasure and happiness on one level and God, I have sat with billionaires and more than one and they have leaned over and said to me We are miserable. We are an agony We can't even we can't even enjoy a sunset like because Money has nothing or success has nothing to do with genuine Authentic joy and in mastering yourself Overcoming yourself in so many ways creates so much wholeness in order in the nervous system. So much wholeness that you don't want anything anymore. And that's a great moment when you feel so whole that you no longer want. That's the moment you're free.

1:58:49I think that's the moment you really feel free. So it is deeper than that. I think there's an intrinsic innate quality for us to remember something deeper and more profound in us. And I think when people have that full on sensory internal experience, that moment of connection that overcoming that arousal, you know, that whatever that is, that connection or union, I think they feel these elevated states, they stop looking outside of it, outside of themselves for it, they start looking within. And I think that's a really great moment. And I don't know how deep that rabbit hole goes, but I know that there's always more love to feel when we do that.

1:59:30It was an awful lot of attention paid to self mastery, but it's self mastery within a very particular domain. Self mastery to make sure you don't hit snooze. Self mastery to not eat the sugar. It's self mastery to go to the gym, to lift the weight, to complete the to -do list, to do the things. This is a world that I inhabit very, very heavily. And it's opening up the doorway to the potential that it might be something more than that. might be molding just doing the thing. I'm glad you're saying that because I believe that also. I really think there's way more than that. There's way more than that because there's so much that we haven't experienced yet that has nothing to do with the material world.

2:00:15Have a full on mystical experience and to the point where you can't go back to being the same person any longer because you're changed as a result of it that your perception of reality changes from that inward experience. I think that there's a lot of unknown experiences that await us, that have nothing to do with the world we know. Do you think that everybody has the same propensity, openness to these sorts of experiences? There are some people that I'm around and that I'm friends with. And I think in order to get you to the stage where you would be keen to open the door to the mystical experience, we're going to have to drag you kicking and screaming through a mile of glass.

2:00:56Ah, yeah, you know, it's a it's a I think when people are ready. They're ready, you know I'm people meet information on their own level, you know, and and I think that's great I think everybody's on the journey back to source, you know, and You got to you got to forget that your source to have the experience of something other than it You know, and I think it's it now it's a process of of of awakening and so God, I think there's I think there's so much more to experience in life besides that and and and Having those moments of those transcendental moments where you realize that there is something greater, it's hard to go back to playing the game the same way.

2:01:38One of the common pitfalls that must get in the way of people is chronic stress. It's what we've spoken about earlier on. What are some of the ways that stress might show up in our lives that people don't realize the sneaky, surreptitious ways that it comes and starts to negate our quality of life. Well, just think about the emotions that are associated with stress. It's anger, it's hatred, it's violence, it's hostility, it's judgment, it's competition, it's control, it's envy, it's jealousy, it's insecurity, it's fear, it's anxiety, it's vigilant, it's hopelessness, its powerlessness, its guilt, its shame, and psychology calls all of those emotional states, normal human states of consciousness.

2:02:23Those are altered states of consciousness. So, if you're feeling any one of those emotional states more than likely, you're having a stress response. The problem is we get so conditioned into it that we don't know how to feel any other way. So I think we describe change in this work as being greater than your body, being greater than the body that's been conditioned emotionally into the past, and being greater than the body when it's programmed into a predictable future. Executing a will that's greater than the program, executing a mind that's greater than the body and moving it into the present moment takes a lot of energy and takes a lot of awareness and you've got to sit with it long enough to get good at it.

2:03:05So in order for you to change, you have to be able to move from that place of knowns, familiar past, predictable future, into the present moment, the unknown. Okay. To change is be greater than your environment. Every person, every object, everything, every place has a neurological network in your brain because you've experienced it. Okay. So if you're not being defined by a vision, the future, and you open your eyes and you plug yourself back in the three -dimensional reality, you see your coworker, you see your ex, you see your boss, you see your friend, you see your cell phone, you see the news,

2:03:36and the way you're feeling and the way you're thinking. So now it's no longer your personality creating your personality. Your personality is creating your personality. Your environment is controlling the way you're thinking and feeling. So to change is going to be greater than your environment. To not respond the same way. Not to think the same way. Not to act the same way in the same conditions. And not being a predictable future in the familiar past, you've got to be in the present moment, means overcome time. Okay. That's our model for change. When you're on the stress, the arousal stress hormones causes you to really feel like your body.

2:04:07The arousal causes you to put all of your attention on your body because you're the priority when you're in survival. When you're in survival and the brain is in the arous state, your attention is, you're not going inward now. You can't get vulnerable. You can't drop your guard, you know, like the video there. Drop your guard. You got to drop your guard to do the vulnerable. But if you won't drop your guard if the threat of the danger is out there, you don't want to go in. It's not time to create. It's not a time to go in. It's not time to learn. It's time to run, fight and hide, right? So the arousal causes put all of our attention on the environment.

2:04:39And when you're under stress and you're trying to predict the future based on the past, you're obsessing about time, right? So if the change is to be greater than your body, to be greater than your environment, to be greater than time, and the stress hormones cause us to put all of our attention on our bodies, our environment and time. It means when we're under stress and when survival, it's really hard to change. Is it really not a time to change? It's time to run, fight and hide, okay? Overcome the addiction to those emotions lower the volumes and then give people the application and Have them work with it.

2:05:11They're gonna break they're gonna break an addiction. What happens when you break an addiction? You go through with trolls Come on just a little suffering come on come on just a little judgment just be good. Come on. You know that's so The body's craving the bodies the mind is craving those chemicals and so Now overcoming an addiction to something outside of this is one thing, but overcoming the addiction to the chemicals and the emotions that are within us is that's a huge thing, right? And so it's funny because if you're addicted to something like, I don't know, sugar or caffeine and none of these are, you know, have your own belief on them.

2:05:47But if you're addicted to alcohol or whatever, nicotine, and you say, I'm going to quit. I'm going to quit and you say that with intention with your conscious mind. And then you know, I throw my feet up on the table. I grab a sugar donut and a cup of coffee and I got you know Powder all around my mouth and you're you're still you know, you're still trying to overcome it Your body is gonna say start tomorrow This is not a good day for you that come on one bite or he else is doing and you know all of that Those are the voices in our head that lead to the same choices right so But if you truly broke the addiction to the emotion I'm to them to the the substance and you walked in, you could have the sugar and not have the sugar or the coffee or not have the coffee because you're not addicted to it and it's no tug any longer.

2:06:32The difference is that when it's something that's outside of you, one of the most effective ways to change behavior is to change your environment. Right. So you say, hey, you can't eat the doughnut that isn't in your house. You can't drink the coffee that isn't in your hand. Yeah. Problem being you have at a moment's notice, the opportunity to access all of the sugar in forms of stress or resentment or anxiety or distaste or judgment or whatever it is that you want. That's always that. You have a permanently open covered of an unlimited number 24 hours a day when you wake, when you go to sleep, which is what's particularly insidious about it, right?

2:07:06Sure. Sure. And stress mismanages are attention. All right. So if you're addicted to an emotion and you're addicted to fear, there's going to be some person or some circumstance that you're going to put your attention on that actually is associated with that fear. And so the stronger the emotion you have to some person or problem, the more you pay attention to them, where you place your attention is where you place your energy, then you're giving your power away to that person. So lower the volume to that emotion, overcome the addiction, you'll take your attention off that person or problem, and that's energy that's coming back to you and it actually builds your own field.

2:07:41Now there's energy to heal. Now there's energy to create. There's energy to design in the future. or so. So lowering the volume to the emotion or overcoming the addiction is an art because you go through that period of cravings where your body, which has been conditioned to be the mind, is telling you, come on, just one memory, come on, just do it once. And if people are white knuckling it and they don't know what to do, then it becomes like withdrawals. Give them something to do. Let me replace this emotion. Let me replace this thought. Let me do something differently. I think it helps it. I think you move a little quicker that way.

2:08:17I saw a study a little while ago about the Boston Marathon bombing and they compared people who had actually been there during the bombing and their level of trauma response after the event to people who hadn't been there but had watched more than 90 minutes of news coverage about it. The people that watched more than 90 minutes of news coverage about it had a worse, more severe trauma response than people who are actually literally there while the bomb went off. What is your perspective on a always on world with technology, with 24 hour news, with social media, with screens? What you're talking about here is connecting to ourselves.

2:08:57We're in a world which is always trying to get us to connect to something else. Just how important is it to disconnect? I think it's super important. I think who controls the information controls the behavior of the masses, right? I think that's just the way it is because information causes us to be aware of something. So if you accept that information as the truth, you get a collective group of people all behaving in the same way. So wow, what an amazing time in history right now because if you look around so many different paradigms are collapsing around us and wow, it's a crazy time to be alive.

2:09:34So I don't know what information honestly to trust anymore. There's just so much information out there. And I think that, well, I think that I think there are motives for self -interest in the world that aren't are genuinely good for human beings. So I think it's important for people to commune, to connect, to bond, to interact, and 3D reality. That's why we do our events in person. And because something emergent happens in a collective group of individuals that come together. We've measured the energy in the room. It's something emerges that wasn't there before when you show up in your commune.

2:10:21and community is the answer.

2:10:26So technology, I think it robs our pleasure centers, it hijacks them to higher and higher levels. And I think technology causes us to get to a point where we can't find pleasure in anything, except that little device that people are putting their attention on. And we do this at our events, we watch people, they don't even know that they're addicted to that device. until they have to sit all day and not think about it. And then when they finally realize how addicted they were to it when they've overcome it, they have a different reset for themselves. So I respect technology a lot because all of my companies use it in all kinds of wonderful ways.

2:11:11But if you can't set that thing down and break away from it, it owns you on some level. And it's regulating your thoughts and feelings things on a very high level. And so the problem that I've had with technology with younger people is that when you blow up a nation or you punch somebody or you break through a certain level or you overcome something, there is an enormous release of dopamine in the brain. The pleasure centers are just dumping dopamine, but that quantity of dopamine is not normal for the brain. So the receptor sites close down because it's like living with a spouse that always yells that you just close down and get desensitized to it.

2:11:48Well, so that means in the next time you play, you got to use, you got to create more dopamine to switch those systems, you know, switch that on. And so over time, you kind of hijack those pleasure centers to a really high level. So the problem I have with that is that learning should be a reward in and of itself. And if you just did all those crazy things on a device and your brain is stimulated to that point, you can't turn it on when it comes time to learning and you can't learn without stimulation. I remember the first time that I started getting into meditation and reading. I've tried to do a lot of pivots all at the same time and I would sit down on my cushion at my old house in Newcastle and I'd have my hands in my lap and my body would move a little bit like that.

2:12:36And I realized that it was just so used to raw stimulation. And I would start to read a book that is black and white text on a piece of paper that doesn't move. There's no beings or bones or vibrations or notifications coming down from the top. And my body felt agitated. I felt agitated looking at this page because it was such low stimulus. and trying to, it took probably over a year for me to actually be able to sit down and feel that as a pleasurable experience, so not one that was agitating. Cause I was, and then you get this sort of second order effective, oh my God, how stupid is it? That I can't sit in front of this page.

2:13:17I'm so stupid, what a piece of shit that I have that I've managed to condition myself. I can't learn anymore, I can't learn anymore. And that's the reformation. Actually, you're not conscious that you're saying that but your affirmation is I can't learn anymore. I'm not good enough or whatever you're that's your affirmation. You're actually believing that I am and then you take it one level above that You say god what a piece of shit. I am that I think the thought I can't believe and oh my god I'm not am either I'm the sort of person that thinks I'm the sort of person that thinks that I have this thought this infinite Regressive turtles all the way up feeling bad about feeling bad.

2:13:48Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm a I'm a black belt third degree master at that well well I think there is is I think I think There's a limit to multitasking and I think changing your attention so quickly on a device becomes habituated so you can people attention spans have shortened just an enormous degree. But what I think is so important is we do this work where we synchronize the heart to the brain and when the heart and the brain are synchronized they're actually exchanging information. Same frequency, same energy, frequency carries information, heart and brain are synchronized. Now the heart starts to inform the brain.

2:14:31The brain may think, but the heart knows. And so getting those two systems in balance, a lot of times allows us to gain it and gain information from within us. And I think, you know, I don't know about you, but there's a lot of information that I just am not sure of anymore. Oh, massively. I mean, the interesting thing is being, as we've got more information, it hasn't made people better informed it's made them more uncertain. Because the multiplicity of inputs has resulted in so many different points of view that no one can agree on what is what anymore. Yeah, go back to the Boston Marathon. There's a lot of information that you're watching that's actually worse than you being there.

2:15:15Is it really, is it even real? You know, who knows? I mean, it's a huge interest of mine because I just, I think you can program people to do anything now. I'm absolutely certain of it. Relationships seem to be an interesting sandbox for patents to appear in. There's something about being with somebody else that draws you out of yourself. You can't, you're pushed in ways that you on your own wouldn't. What are some of the patterns that people should be conscious of when they are in relationships with others? I think one of the biggest ones is you should make me happy. It's not a conscious belief.

2:15:58It's a subconscious belief. And only when you're happy, I'm happy. That's another challenging program to be in. And I really think that, you know, for real, I think we relate with everything. We relate with people, really, you know, we relate intimately. But we have emotions that we share with different people. And when we share emotions, we share information, we share energy, right? So, in a relationship, as long as two people are evolving in the same, have the same interest and evolve in the same direction. I think there's a lot of growth that can take place. And I think after the honeymoon stage, whereas off in a relationship and now you're back to yourself, your routine self, I think people really learn a lot about themselves and a lot about other people that they didn't know before.

2:16:56And so I think it's really important for people to show up in a relationship and bring their best. That just should be the deal that they make. I'm just going to and bring my best and when I can't, if I don't excuse myself and I'll get there again, or if I ask you, will you tell me the truth? Don't tell me unless I ask you, but if I ask you, tell me the truth. So I think there's ways to grow off of each other in all kinds of relationships, but it doesn't have to be an intimate relationship. It could be all kinds of relationships. And some people just have friends they love to suffer with or siblings they love to feel guilt with or parents they love to feel guilt with where enemies they love to hate and but that if that enemy dies, they'll pick another one so they can still feel hate, right?

2:17:40So we have relationships, I think, that are based on emotions and emotions are the end product of experience. So all men are this way or all women this way. We have because we both have the same experience. We share the same emotion. We can relate to one another. And that's what happens a lot of times when people change. They're no longer suffering any longer. They're no longer unhappy any longer. there are no longer feeling victimized any longer and they break their emotional agreements with people and that's because they're not the same person any longer. And those relationships change as a result of it.

2:18:14You got to be willing to do that. I suppose the strange thing is if you're not already willing to show up for yourself, capable of showing up for yourself and making changes for yourself, what makes you think that you know how to step in when it's you for somebody else or when you're trying to work out whether somebody else has your best interests at heart, when you don't have your best interests at heart. Yeah, I think there's a lot to be said about that, but if two people will support each other on those blind spots, I think there can be a lot of growth that goes along with it. We want somebody who makes you more of what you want to become.

2:18:55I think people are in relationships, they go into a relationship to be happy, right? I mean, these people say, I want love. Well, why do you want love? I want love because I want to be happy. I want to be happy with somebody. Okay, well, there's nothing wrong with that. That means then you have to become happy in order to be in that relationship. Because if you're unhappy and you go into that relationship, more than likely, you're not going to be happy. Sooner or later, what role does spirituality have in science?

2:19:28I think science now has, in my world, has become the contemporary language of mysticism. I think it's science that demystifies the mystical. If you can use different branches of science that demonstrate possibility, right? I think the moment you use religion or tradition or culture or even spirituality, you say word you're going to divide an audience. Because everybody has their own experience of that word, their own definition of that word, and a lot of times people turn off. So we work really hard in renaming everything in the model of a scientific understanding so that I think science creates community.

2:20:14So I think it's the language of mysticism. And so the research that we're doing is specifically interested in demystifying what it takes to change. And we have a lot of information that's kind of filling in the gaps that was once considered spiritual or metaphysical. And I've been at this a long time and I've been accused of being a pseudoscientist. You can't call me that. It can't say that any longer because of the science to say that it's absolutely the truth, right? So I think the discoveries that you make when you have a hypothesis and the the outcomes are actually supportive of that hypothesis It changes your belief and and we have we have scientists that I really really respect That are running experiments five six seven times in a row because they are actually thinking they're gonna get a different result They're changing their belief right in that moment.

2:21:20I say to them, why did you get in the science? And they're like, for discovery, oh, well, well, you're discovering something new. And it's unbelievable. So they re -running it, thinking this can't be right. This can't be right. There's no way this could be, like, you know, like, this is bullshit, like this cannot be. Is there a scientist that was particularly hard one in terms of that? We had our head of research, a head of research, Hemel that runs our research, he's the head. He was open to the idea, but he wasn't very, he didn't really believe it. And now he says, in my freezer, I hold the cure for all diseases.

2:22:00His lectures are about the evolution of the species. This is a scientist with over 200 published papers. He cannot believe the outcomes. And the cool part about it is not like a small percentage, of this part of the parietal lobe is actually enhanced and you know 15 % of the people that did the study and this one standard deviation above that's not what we're seeing. You know like you know when we saw the data with the cancer studies that we were doing and we were seeing one particular person we were studying his blood that it was taking all this mitochondrial function in cancer cells, we said, okay, let's do now, let's do a community, let's do a group of advanced meditators and see if the information's in their blood as well.

2:22:4984 % of the people, 84 % of the people that we studied, their plasma had a dramatic effect on pancreatic cancer cells, breast cancer cells, all different types of cancer cells. It's 84%, that's a high percentage. So, So again, you want to talk about demystifying through science. That means on some level, the information in their blood is coming from somewhere and it's not coming from anything outside of them, it's coming from within them. So that is quite mystical. And the conversations that I'm having with the scientists now in this studies that we're doing, are really bridging the gap between some of the things that were considered, you know, mystical and some way or miraculous.

2:23:34But in order to have a miraculous event, you have to challenge convention. And if you challenge convention, you're considered a fool. You know, or it's foolhardy, it's insane. Pull it off, though. Now you're genius. Now you're a saint. Now you're a mystic. So we're seeing people in this work have really amazing testimonials. They stand on the stage. They tell their story. They're the example of truth. People are watching the audience. The whole entire audience is leaning in. They're leaning in because they're looking at truth. And it's coming from a story, and it's not elegant, and it's not nice, and they've got sick, and they lost a lot of things.

2:24:11They went bankrupt, but there's a lot of really powerful information that's being told in that story. The stories that people are gathering are actually causing them to become a work that happened to them. take that and combine it with all the science of a data that we have. Evidence becomes the loudest voice. The evidence in testimony, the evidence in science says that it actually is possible and I don't want people, I don't want them to forget it. That's why we're doing all the scientific research. I don't want them to forget that when they do change their internal state that it has profound effects on their health and on their biology.

2:24:51So the science is removing the doubt for a lot of people and I think that's really important and people that tend to be cognitive that tend to be rational that tend to be left brain that be reasonable. We take them on a journey You know and by the way we have great scans to show that people who come primarily men by the way that come and they're just like I don't buy this. I don't even like the guy you know kind of like that But their wife's dragging, the partner's dragging, when they come, and their heart's all open, and they're sobbing, and they're happy, and they're free, and their wife is just could not believe.

2:25:27And the guys like many of them are like, and never meditated before I always say, you're perfect, you're perfect. You're gonna do exactly what I tell you to do. They do exactly what we's gonna do, and they have these. Not because they have no existing patents of meditation or expectation or anything else. I remember meditating for 20 years. Well, okay, so we see these people that just come with no expectation. The white belt mentality. Our data shows, Chris, that if you don't expect anything to occur, the unexpected happens. 100 % of the time. And when that unexpected happens, we look at the brains of those people.

2:26:03They look like they're on psilocybin. They look like they're on a hallucinogenic. And yet, they're not taking anything. Their brain just looks like they're in a whole mystical world. It's kind of cool. What's your thoughts on psychedelics and the role? Have you guys considered trying to somehow weave what you do in with a engendering estate? Obviously, MDMA therapy very good for lowering that sort of safety threshold, making people feel a little bit more comfortable going into difficult places. Same goes for ketamine psychotherapy. be. Yeah, okay. So I'm here are my thoughts on it. I think if you use plant medicine and you use it with the intention of giving you another perspective about yourself or your life or your past and you go into it with that intention, you go into it to understand or to learn and make it reverent and there's rituals and there's ceremony and you can get really into the experience and have an intention, I think it's great.

2:27:01And I think it's great. And I've just used it a few times and I had great moments. But I've also seen people, you know, when I did my first one, I sat next to some woman and I said, how many have you done? It was my first one. She said, I've done 63 of these and she said, I have cancer. And I said, oh, wow. You might want to try something else, you know, like, I mean, it didn't work as 63, you know, ceremonies. time 64. Right. Number 64 is the one. Yeah, of course. And then we've seen a lot of the veterans that we work with in the Navy SEALs and prisoners. Now we do a lot of work in prisons now.

2:27:38We see the same exact thing that they're stock and they're traumatized. So So, anyway, change the person in one state or another and get them beyond the trauma in some way. And while there's amazing changes that can actually take place in a person. So, must be interesting for you as somebody who's more familiar than probably almost anybody on the planet of higher states of consciousness, experiences of observing them in other people, of thinking about them yourself of all of the rest of it, to then take probably the most reliable form of kind of catapulting you up there because you've got two types of perspectives.

2:28:26Right. So the person then who does the drug or the ketamine or whatever, the point of making is that they return back into their life and they're still living the same life. The insight never change their behavior, right? So when we start looking at the derivatives of melatonin that are secreted from the pineal gland, we're going to start measuring those actual endogenous substances that the pineal gland makes, that is dimethylchryptamine and all of its derivatives that are manufactured in the body. So if we're seeing people's brains look like they're having a full on mystical experience, then there should be information in everyone.

2:29:12Residue some of that. Of course, so we're this, an event in San Diego in March, we're gonna start measuring those endogenous substances. And the question is, do you really need them? You know, do you really need that exogenous substance? And I think it's great. I think it's getting another perception of the world, another perspective of life. I think it's great. But the person really hasn't changed. It doesn't really, it really doesn't help them. It's not instrumental. But when people do have their own internal experience without any exogenous substance, and all of the derivatives are released, and they fit in the same receptor sites, and people understand how to activate those latent systems, I think it's way more profound for the person because it's not chemically induced.

2:29:55It's the person doesn't feel, it doesn't feel chemical. I just say it feels electric. It feels very electric. Very, that's very electric. Well, the idea of spiritual bypass of going to have this peak experience in the Amazon rainforest or in the office somewhere in the nice cushy room and then coming back and not doing the integration and not making any changes and then just saying, okay, I'm just going to go back and have the peak experience again over and over and over. I have a good friend who way before it was trendy had taken pretty much everything from a psychedelic standpoint. And I keep asking him, he's one of my most insightful friends, keep asking him, are you, you know, you've been using these things or you used them so long ago, have you not got any temptation to go back?

2:30:44And he says, I'm still learning so much from what I did back then. Sure. And there's a lot of respect. I have an awful lot of respect for someone that I've done the work and I'm still doing the integration. Well, that sounds like his personality type anyway is very inquisitive. So I mean, I know people do a lot of DMT and a lot of a lot of those substances or some of the other ones. And it takes them years to be able to explain what has happened to them. And they said they lived, felt like eternity and they were gone for five minutes. And so those derivatives that are actually endogenously made in the brain, you know, from that little tiny gland that's in the back of your brain that causes an inner vision, you know, a profound inner vision.

2:31:38Causes you see the part of reality that you're unaware of, you know, that part of you that you don't know about. And so that, that by releasing those particular derivatives in melatonin, and we have data that shows... Why is melatonin so key? Because trip the fan is an amino acid, and trip the fan makes serotonin. Serotonin makes melatonin, okay? Serotonin and melatonin are a function of this wavelength, a frequency called visible light. So when there's light outside, your eye is picking up information from your environment, and the brain's switching on and the peneer glands making serotonin, and that's the daytime, they're a transmitter.

2:32:27The inhibition of light or the absence of light is the loss of the wavelength of light, and serotonin converts into melatonin, and that kind of slows your brain waves down and puts you into a state of catatonia so you can rest, repair, sleep, and dream, and so the body moves into this kind of rhythm called the circadian rhythm between wakefulness and sleep based on the wavelength of how much light is in the day and then when the light is gone. So that's normal, but it's a function of light. So when people are in a transcendental state and now they're connecting to frequency, connecting to energy that's transcendent of space and time faster than the speed of light, quantum, and their brain is actually connecting through the Piniagland, a little radio receiver in the brain.

2:33:18Melatonin can't be melatonin any longer because it's only related to the frequency in the wavelength of light. Now you're picking up a faster frequency. Melatonin upgrades. And melatonin already causes you to dream, but now you're going to really dream, like lucid dream. Melatonin is already a powerful antioxidant. You're going to make two of the most powerful antioxidants known to man. anti cancer, anti aging, anti heart disease, anti stroke, anti neurodegenerative, anti inflammatory, anti microbial. Take the molecule tweak it again. Melatonin already relaxes and it relaxes you. Now you're going to make benzodiazepine.

2:33:53Now you're going to really relax. You're going to shut down the survival centers in the brain for fear, for pain, for aggression. Melatonin already causes you to sleep. Now you're going to make chemicals that are going to cause you to hibernate. Like, body is going to move into stasis. No sex drive, no appetite, no preoccupation with the environment. The body is moving into a state of stasis that you'll forget that you even have a body. That's a great way to experience another dimension. Take the molecule, tweak it again. It's the same chemical found in electric heels. What does the electric heel do?

2:34:25It creates amplification of the nervous system. So we see these high amplitudes of gamma, I mean very high, like very outside of normal. So the person then is connecting to energy and frequency that they can't proceed with their front senses. They dial down their thinking brain, they're suggestible to information, they're connecting to frequency, frequency carries information. The pinnacle end is a transducer. It takes the information like a TV antenna and turns it into a picture in the brain. And so now melatonin produces all these derivatives that fit in the same receptor sites. like serotonin and melatonin, but it's going to create a whole different experience for the person.

2:35:06So instead of them just getting di -methylchryptamine, they're getting the whole package of these derivatives and we're just starting to measure them. And so we see that triptophan metabolism is elevated in our meditators that we measure, which means the penal events using triptophan, very using as much as it possibly can, to make some of these derivatives. So we have devices now that will be measuring some of these derivatives, just to see if it's the truth. Talking about dreaming and going to sleep, I've heard you discuss the importance of just before bed and just after waking as an opportunity to investigate what's going on in the unconscious mind.

2:35:49Why are those windows so important? It's really related to serotonin and melatonin because when you are sleeping and you wake up, your brain waves go from delta to theta to alpha to beta and you wake up in the morning and then your conscious and your awake and your back and three dimensional reality. When you go to bed at night and there's less light, your brain starts making melatonin, you go from beta to alpha to theta to delta. And so when you move from beta to alpha, you stop your analytical mind and when you suppress your your analytical mind, you stop thinking. And we stop thinking your brain moves into alpha.

2:36:27So when you go to bed at night, what do you do? You kind of get in bed, you get comfortable, and you think of nothing. You stop thinking and you go to sleep and you kind of slide down the scale. And if you can't stop thinking, you can't go to sleep because your brain waves stay Everyone knows that very well. And you obsess and you overthink and you get all, you're in a loop, right? So there's two times the door to the subconscious just mine opens up when you wake up in the morning and when you go to bed at night. So those are really key times if you want to reprogram your subconscious mind. So I'm an early riser.

2:37:03I like the morning. I'm like early early morning and it doesn't bother me to get up in theta. It doesn't bother me because I know that I'm going to sit my body up and I'm not going to let it sleep. I'm going to linger between those worlds of wakefulness and sleep and rewrite a program, rehearse a new script, write a new script. What does that look like? What's the opportunity? How can people take advantage of that opportunity? That peri sleep and peri waking window? Yeah, that liminal state where non -sleep deep rest state is we just have great data on this is It's it's the most important time for you to regenerate to repair To program the autonomic nervous system to re reprogram a behavior a habit unwanted, you know emotional response The door is wide open you and when you're in beta You're separate from the operating system.

2:37:51You can't get in there. So you got to be able to get in that state is what we do in the work. We get people from baited alpha. Okay, you got to be from baited alpha. Okay, stayed alpha, stayed alpha, stayed alpha. Now practice relaxing in your heart, really relaxing more and really nice when you get your body in a light sleep at stay awake. And so in that realm, you can connect to energy and information and you can rewrite a program. And so if you're a night person, like I have plenty of people in my life that are night people, their musicians or artists or, you know, writers and more, they just say just like 11 o 'clock to 2 in the morning.

2:38:26And so on, writers, they just say that's their jam, right? And then there's other people who are just like, operally, and they're a morning person or they like doing that in the morning. So they do it in the morning, but it doesn't matter. It's just whatever you choose to get in that state, and it's not something that you really have to try to do is just something that your brain naturally does. You can take advantage of it, say, okay, what's the greatest ideal of myself tomorrow? How am I going to show up? What I learned from today that I want to stop doing, let me remind myself of what I'm not going to do tomorrow.

2:39:03Let me remind myself of what I'm not going to think. Let me remind myself of how I'm not going to feel. Let me review these. Let me remember so I don't forget. How do you avoid that becoming too analytical of an exercise? because I can see how that could kick you back up into those more. Yeah, it's a practice. It's a practice. I mean, it's the observation of self. Really? You asked the question and you observed. So what are the cues? Let's, what have you just gone through? Some questions that, what would be some great questions for people to ask themselves before bed and in the morning? How'd I do today?

2:39:33How'd I do today? Like, if you have an intention for the day, I mean, you can't do this unless you're in the game. You gotta get out of the bleachers. You gotta get on the playing field. It's no LAR. This is where people leave the dinner table because this is where you actually have to do something so so What is the how did I do today? You know what was you know one that I fall from grace? What was what are my triumphs? What did I what was I victorious with what I love about myself? Let me get my think box Let me get this all worked out, okay? Now. I'm not asking you do any meditation I'm just asking you get in your think box while you're in the state and getting your think box It's like asking yourself the question, okay?

2:40:09God, I reacted to this person. I felt this way. Okay, I mean, just, I don't want to react that way. Okay, remind myself of how I'm not going to react. Let me run myself of what I did. Let me just review how I was thinking. Let me become conscious of that. Okay, I mean, I'm in my think box. I got that down. Okay, what am I going to do tomorrow differently? What am I going to work on? How am I going to, how am I going to be tomorrow? How am I going to think to my, what am I going to believe? Let me review this thought and fire and wire in my brain and get it to the point where I actually put an intention of feeling behind this belief.

2:40:38Okay, how am I going to behave tomorrow with my co -workers, you know, whatever? How am I going to feel tomorrow? Let me just review that. Now, getting your think box and go over all of that. And then when you get in your play box, you're out of your think box, there's no thinking in your play box. There's thinking, get all that thinking worked out in your think box when you get time to play. That's when you surrender, that's when you open up, that's when you get creative, that's when you let it go, and you go to sleep. What about first thing in the morning? First thing in the morning, what's the greatest idea of myself that I can be today.

2:41:09What's my jam today? How, how, how, what am I going to be today? Then remind myself of the things I want to change about myself. I can. It's too hard. I'm never going to change. I'm not going to complain today. I know I'm not going to blame anybody. I'm not going to judge anybody. This is what I got to remind myself. So I don't go unconscious. If I start feeling this emotion, you go default to this emotion, I'm not going to think positively. I'm just and keep my energy up, my energy up all day today, I'm not gonna do that. Okay, so what do I wanna feel? Let me start practice, let me teach my body what it feels like.

2:41:44Let me bring up the feeling so many times that I can bring it up on my own. I wanna remember this feeling so I don't forget it. Okay, how do I wanna behave? How am I gonna be? How am I gonna think? What do I wanna program? And start off, if your personality creates your personal reality, it makes sense. And if you're gonna create a new personal reality, you gotta change your personality. That's the first step, right? And I think most people try to create a new personal reality as the same personality. It doesn't work. We got to become somebody else. So that's what the word meditation means. It means to become familiar with.

2:42:15Become so conscious of your unconscious self that you don't go unconscious to it. You're so familiar, so conscious of your unconscious thoughts, behaviors, and emotions that you wouldn't default and become familiar with a new self. You know, how you're going to think, how you're going to act and how you're going to feel. That's the process. If you were to design a daily routine or elements of a daily routine that are accessible and based on what your research and your experiences come up with are the most powerful so that people could tactically get moving on this stuff, what would be in the top three?

2:42:56Okay, certainly the basics. What I just talked about, that whole thing personality and personality, change your personality, how you think, how you act and how you feel. If I do change the way I think, change the way I act, change the way I feel, my life should change. That's the first experiment. Okay? Second experiment, if you're living in stress and you're living in survival and you're living in your brain and body, you're out of balance, then your brain's out of balance. It's incoherent. You're incoherent. So practice this kind of focus that we call a broad focus. Focus on nothing. We have this meditation.

2:43:2820 minutes, your brain starts the different compartments of the brain that were modulated or compartmentalized or divided because of the hormones of stress. They start synchronizing. They start firing together, sinking and linking in the brain. So the act of doing this causes the whole entire brain to beat at the same rhythm, to all the networks or whole. What can people get that meditation? on the website, on my website. And then we teach a lot of heart coherence, get your heart back into balance as well. And there's another 15, 20 minute meditation. And then there's one where you get them both working together, synchronize your heart to your brain.

2:44:04I think what happens for a lot of people is they start realizing that they actually can create that state where they feel good without anyone or anything. So you wanna be able to be in that field or be in that energy when you're moving around in your life. Easy ones, really easy ones too. I mean, ones that anybody can do. What are you working on next?

2:44:31We have a documentary that's going to be coming out really soon. It really is about a lot of the science that we've done. It's coming along really well. The people have viewed it as a pilot, really enjoyed it. So that'll be something that we'll be letting out. We have tons of more research that we're constantly doing. We have, as I said earlier, we have at least four or five papers that we're working on. We're working with prisons now. In Mexico, we've trained close to 2 ,000 people and a few prisons in Mexico, maybe more than that now. Men and women's prisons, we just did our first two courses at San Quentin.

2:45:14We have another prison we're working with and are you going in personally to do this? No, I have trainers that go. I really would be would you be interested in going in and working inside of the prisons? Would that be an experience that you think? For me? Yeah, yeah. Of course. Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to go to the big one in in Mexico City. I mean, these are very tough conditions and the warden is so impressed with these people. All the changes that they've made. I mean, these are people that are at each other's throats. And they are constantly in survival. They've had some brutal pasts and they were raised by monsters and they became one.

2:45:52So with no hope. And now that we did our first training three years ago and the changes were so dramatic in this women's prison. I mean, they were grooming one another. They were laughing, totally connected, that all the other prisoners in the prison thought, What happened to those people? And so they pushed the administration. We went and did the whole prison. And so then we did all the men, then we did all the guards, and then we did all the administrators, and then this one warden, at this one prison, this amazing woman, has done the whole entire prison. So yeah, we're working with prisoners.

2:46:38We're working with indigenous tribes now, which has been kind of fun too. And, yeah, of course, the veterans and Navy SEALs. Callie, Dr. Joe dispensers, ladies and gentlemen. Why should people go? They want to keep up to date with all of the things you're doing? Yeah, just the website's Dr. Joe dispenser .com. Joe, I really appreciate you. Thank you for today. Thank you, Chris.