#762 - Mark Normand - Secret Hollywood Rituals, Shane Gillis & Toxic Masculinity

25:10So I'm like, which one is it? So it kind of just shows that listen, a lot of this shit is bullshit. Like, you see the Brian Stoltzer, you know that is? He was a CNN. He was a CNN panellist or whatever you call it, pundit, and he was like, oh, he's like, like, ah, these Republicans, and now he's gotten fired, and now he's gone Republican. So it's just kind of funny that like, things flip and flop and we can go 100 miles an hour in one way, something changes, and we just, you turn and go the other way, and you're like, well, what about all that stuff that you were doing? So it's all silly, and we're all gonna die one day.

25:49Well, I don't know, I mean, people who change their opinions with the wind, it does make you think that that pretty unreliable. You know, if SNL, and this wasn't, I wasn't really paying much attention five years ago when the Shane original thing kicked off. But you just said, what was the on the front cover of American life or something? Who? Shane. Well, I think it was like Newsweek. Right. Which is big deal. Yeah. That's a big thing that's going on. It was him, Cosby, Harvey and Shane. And it was like, what are we doing here? Yeah, it's crazy. And then you think, okay, so in five years time, I mean, I don't know, it would have been interesting for us and out to have made people understand why they changed their opinion.

26:32Because it sounds an awful lot like, well, change more popular now. Right. Because it's not, he's still, I mean, during his opening monologue, he managed to say the word gay, retard, and cracker. So we're all okay. Nobody died. Everybody's fine with the words. We're going to be all right. Well, you know what I love about it. All these outlets are like, he bombed, he bombed. First of all, it wasn't a bomb. He was a little loosey -goosey. He looked a little nervous, but he got big laughs. I thought he did well. But I know a couple of comics who have bombed on there, but they didn't write that about them.

27:07And they were like definite bombs. So why won't you write it? It shows that there's an agenda always. There's always something more behind it, which is weird in journalism, because you should not be like that. You're supposed to just report on fact. I guess everyone's got an opinion, right? Do you like it? I did see someone had done a search and so many of the headlines just appeared to be the same thing. Almost like, I know. That whole kind of coordinated. What's the same with late night? Every late night is like, we hate this. We like the, you know, they're all the same jokes. Just, that's why when John Stewart got the daily show and he did like the Biden's old and Trump is annoying or what it was like, whoa, you hit two.

27:44You hit both. That was like revolutionary. Yes. And then he got attacked for that. Did he? Yeah. Well, you know, people got mad and I mean, got some backlash. What, he shouldn't be talking about Biden's good to decline. Exactly. There was a, the White House physician didn't assessment of Biden's health. And he said it was like, you know, this has been, it's one of the most overdone topics. Like is he capable to do the job? He's gonna be the oldest president ever that comes into office if he gets reelected. But the same's gonna be true of Trump as well. Even though Trump doesn't seem at least mentally to be the same.

28:17White House doctor claims Biden fit for duty after physical. President Joe Biden is allegedly fit for duty following his yearly physical exam, according to White House doctor Kevin O 'Connor. O 'Connor says that there were no new concerns identified during the course of the exam from the last time Biden was examined in 2023. He claimed that Biden remained fit for duty and fully executed all of his responsibilities without any exemptions or accommodations. He also called Biden healthy, active, and robust. While the results from Biden's physical exam seemed positive, no cognitive exam was performed.

28:47That's classic. Well, did you see the thing with Trump where he said uh, he said something on a panel and he was like How about that Mercedes and everybody's like he got his wife's name wrong. Oh my god He's slipping. He's slipping. There's all these articles about him slipping and then it came out that Mercedes was the name of the woman running the panel So but they don't go back and they don't go. Oh shit. We fucked that up and you're like Well, I haven't seen you guys do that to Biden when he slips and he eats ice cream and talks about Palestine Yeah, so like, and look, I don't care, but that's what I'm saying.

29:21Like, there's always an agenda or a message that you can't go against. And I'm fine with the message, but you just got to acknowledge it. That's what kills me. Like the AI thing is great proof because you're like, all right, something is going on. Unequivocable, obvious, going off what's going on in Dene. Exactly. That's all I ask is just to go, all right, you're right. It's happening back to work. Yeah, it's a it's kind of interesting when the mask slips and I think people have just got such a problem with The accusation garnering so much attention and then the retraction being so piss poor. Yeah always We like we like a headline.

30:00That's why they have to write Shane bombs because it's like we got to get we got a grab him Hmm. I wonder you had Thinking about Shane getting back on to SNL and going all right is this a is this a landmark moment that shows that we've gone past the peak woke stuff and everything's kind of coming back around. I don't know how big of a deal SNL is in the US. I don't know how much stuff's downstream from it, but certainly that guy who went to Apple and then went back to on Stewart, the other guy. Yeah, I always get him and John Oliver mixed up. Both were on the daily show, but one's British. Yes.

30:37He's sort of starting to push things a little bit. Bill Mars Mars kind of always been relatively kind of one foot in each camera, or at least to kind of call stuff out. I don't know, like ultimately rather than looking at narratives and what sort of desire, what kind of big story or message is being pushed, it's way easier to just look at incentives. It's like, what are people incentivized to talk about? Because if they're incentivized to talk about this one thing because it makes them look empathetic and caring and like there are an altruistic truth teller, people will just do that. By far, the easiest thing is to make it either cancerous or uncool or obviously manipulating to do that thing, to do the forced diversity, to do, and I think almost, who do you know in normal life that cares about that stuff?

31:31Yeah, that's true. That gives me hope. is when you see just, you know, like, I remember I went to a thing with my wife's family and I, they were like, you want a beer? I was like, throw me a bud light, yeah, trans, whatever, and he was like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, you know, Dylan Mulvaney and he's like, who? I'm like, oh, you're a healthy person. Yeah. You got your kids, you live out in the suburbs, you, you, you golf, you know, that, that guy's living life. And I'm out here like, uh, Hunter Biden, Mitch McConnell, I'm riding all these jokes, and I think all that shit slips in and it makes you sadder.

32:01Yes. So he's living it right. And I think we're kind of dialed in to the world and the culture and all that shit. And I think it might be eating away at us. Yeah, I think you're probably right. What's your strategy for remaining positive? Because you've got to keep on top of this stuff. I know. In order to be able to do the jokes and the tough of things. But you also don't want to be completely at the mercy and have your brain sucked out of your ears. I think you've got to be just be aware of it. You've got to kind of go, all right, I'm watching a lot of Gaza Strip stuff. I got to pull back. Is that your relaxation music on an evening time?

32:33Some people play a video, a 4K video, a fireplace, you just got Gaza Strip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've just got the iron dome getting bombed. That's my screensaver. But yeah, so I'm, I think you gotta be aware of it. You gotta be conscious of it. And you gotta keep it silly. You gotta keep it funny. You know those comics who go up and just, this is happening in the country. and better out, you're like, well, this isn't fun. You gotta put a dick joke in there somewhere. So somehow keep it silly and be aware that this is all news. It's all gonna go away. The guy lit himself on fire the other day. That will go away in three days, which is sad.

33:08Yep. But that's just how it works. And none of this affects you directly. You go to the gym, you eat your protein, you get laid, you move on. That, it's a two way selective amnesia or sort of short term memory that the press or SNL or whoever seemed to very quickly be prepared to forget the thing that they stated as absolute 100 percent undeniable fact. But then the audience also forget the thing that they were previously vehement about. How many people, I would love to see someone do a study of the proportion of people with Ukraine flags in their bio. And like, how does the graph peak? And then it sort of tails off and it tails off.

33:56And then, oh, the guys are happened. And like that was a big drop. Yeah. And to stop the stock of Ukraine discussions, really, really hit us. Yes. October 7th, probably a big dent in that. Right. And then we'll continue to go along, continue to go and go. And it's this flimsiness of people's convictions about things that they care about. Like, look, if you're gonna force me to read 100 tweet thread or you posting about this particular thing over and over and over again or news stories being dominated by this thing, then I have to encourage you for convictions to stick about and keep talking about that when it's not popular.

34:32Of course. It feels like fashion. You're like, oh, you're still wearing those pants. Those are so out. You're like, oh, shit. But instead of fashion though, like you made Ukraine your whole personality and now it's kind of faded out. And so now you got to just pretend or hope no one noticed and go to the next thing. Hey, remember stop Asian hate. Are they okay? Did they get stopped getting hated? What happened? But that was a hashtag for eight minutes and we all got on board and then it moved on. I think I've heard someone call it the opinion pageant. Oh, I like that. Yeah. Well, it's all about what opinion are you holding and what's fashionable at this one time.

35:08You have a team It's speaking of opinion, Pagin, what's your bomber jacket that you were wearing? Oh, I have a Miss Teen USA vintage coach coat that I found at a thrift store. Was that owned by Donald J. Trump? Did he do that? What was he, no, he did Miss America. He did Miss America, yeah. No, this is, I just found it at thrift store and I was like, I'm buying this. It says Miss Teen USA. So I love the idea of some guy with a whistle and a gut was just like, all right, ringer, we're gonna, we're gonna win it this year. Kelly, you know, so that I had to buy it. Like in a boot camp for Miss Teen America?

35:43Yeah, yeah. When I was a kid, a girl, I know girls in high school were like, oh, I'm done with you, Playboy. I hope I can get in Playboy and then Playboy became this evil thing. So it's funny how much that shifted. Remember the Playboy mansion was every guy's dream? Like if I can make it to the Playboy mansion, I'll be set. I've made it. Yeah, and now that's gone. And now girls do only funds instead. Yeah, right. Good point. It weighed strange. I think something that, with one perspective, could be seen as exploitative as seen as empowering when done just at a slightly different kind of angle.

36:16I love the empowering. That's a real catch -all for horse shit. Isn't it, you know, it's like, oh, I'm stripping now. It's empowering. You're like, all right. I guess I gotta go with that. Ah, I'm a hooker. It's empowering. I mean, that might be one of the patriarchy's greatest tricks. Perhaps the patriarchy is as powerful as we think it is. If it's managed to convince women that getting naked and selling their nudes on the internet to the price of a cheeseburger, is it actually something approximating empowerment? I get, was that us? I thought that was them. Well, that's my point. That's the real sirep.

36:50The real sirep is that we convince them that that's something that they should enforce between themselves. Sure. Well, I mean feminism is great because it's like, we want to be shirtless like men. We want to pay for dinner and you're like, bring it on, sister. Rah -rah. I found a interesting study looking at who pays for dates. So, for Gen Z, an age old question who pays for dates. Young people tend to lean more liberal on a range of issues, pretending to relationship norms. But when it comes to dating, the idea that men should still pay prevails in heterosexual courtship. Research has found that young men paid for all or most of the dates, around 90 % of the time, while women paid only 2 % and they split the check, around about 8%.

37:32On subsequent dates splitting the check was more common though, men still paid a majority of the time while women rarely did. Nearly 80 % of men expected that they would pay on the first day while just over half of women expected men to pay. Surprisingly views on gender norms that didn't make much of a difference. On average, both men and women in the sample expected the man to pay whether they had more traditional views of gender roles or more progressive ones. The findings strongly showed that the traditional pattern is still there. that the persistent tradition of men paying for women may seem like a harmless artifact, but in a relationship, some acts don't exist in a vacuum.

38:05Wow, how about that? It's like that old Bill Burjoke, you know? Like women want equality, except for a couple of things over here. Like if somebody breaks in, you gotta stop him, you gotta pay for dinner, the ship sinks, I get off first. You know, so that's his joke, but it's an interesting point. You know, we all want equality till you gotta lose something. You know, the WNBA is like, hey, we should make as much as men, but male models make less than women, but I don't hear any women like, hey, they should make as much as women. I sent you that video the other day, the highlights from the WNBA.

38:37One of my friends replied to me and was like, dude, look at the stands. The stands are just empty. And you think, well, I don't know. Again with that, it's not saying that the WNBA doesn't need support. Maybe female basketball players, it would be great if more of them were incentivized to do stuff, but for all of the people saying you aren't supporting the WMBA, why aren't you attending? Of course. Why aren't you in the stand? Sure. And this is why I've had this idea for ages about how hypocrisy is kind of the perfect purpose -built issue for the internet because it's like, do you remember those games, maybe even exists still on iPads, what?

39:15It would be a spot -the -difference thing. It would be in a touch screen in some pub somewhere and you'd be like, looking between these two different images and be like, okay, so that's there. And the reason that hypocrisy works is because what someone said or tweeted previously is available for you to see. And then the new thing that they said or tweeted is available for you to see. And you're able to compare and contrast the two. And he said, well, it's interesting because you once said this thing, look what's happening here. And this is why, well, look, you just said that the WNBA needs way more support, but you haven't bought your season ticket to the like WLakers or whatever Right, right.

39:50So put your money where your mouth is. How is it that you can talk about this and not cat? Like I saw you caught side at like a bull's game, but I didn't see you caught side at the women's bulls game. Sure. Yeah, I mean, it's obvious. It's dead on, but that's how people are, I think. They don't like having the hypocrisies pointed out. Quite right now as well. Like what, you know, it really shows up the less gracious parts of you. But yeah, I think that's what people are looking out for. They're looking out for, hang in a second. Is this person fucking telling the truth? That's like comedy, that's where comedy comes in.

40:24We come into that little opening and really blow it up. You know, like when, when Caitlin Jenner turned into Caitlin Jenner, a lot of women were trying to be nice and they were like, she's beautiful, look how pretty she is. And then I would go, well, you look like her and they'd go, fuck you. And I'm like, oh, that's fun that you can just, you're full of shit and I can prove it. It's like when guys say, I don't see color. You're like, yeah, you do. All we talk about is we need more black people in this movie. This is a racist. I'm like, so you saw the color. What if I'm like, I'm black? You go, no, you're not.

40:57And I go, ah, yeah. So again, I'm okay with all of it. You just gotta stop lying to me. That's when you start going nuts. Yeah, how, again, looking at that sort of shame thing, how effective do you think de -platforming is generally or the kind of cancellation thing? because we had a, who's the fucking big guy that I plays at the mothership a good bit and he got in some trouble about doing a George Floyd joke? Oh yeah, yeah, Lucas. Yeah, yeah, David Lucas. Yeah. What's your, do you live in permanent ambient fear of the wrong clip going up on the internet? A little, it used to be way scarier, just because people would really, like they made a career off of getting you.

41:40So it was like, they were more incentivized to get you. but now I think, I think going after George Floyd, I guess that is pretty, that's pretty dicey. No matter who you are. Flying close to the sun. Yeah, so I'm not actually surprised at that, but I don't support getting him in trouble, but like, I'm not surprised. And also he put the video up. So, you know, you're kind of like, if that happened, if I made a joke about that, I would not be posting that. So there is, there are some degrees to this, but, you know, he is a comic, and he can say whatever he wants and people can backlash and then he can rebut, then that's how it goes.

42:17So, but I do think de -platforming is pretty shitty because it's, all we talk about is compassion. But what about the guy or the gal, like what's the lady from the Mandalorian, the UFC fighter lady who got in trouble? Yes, I'm not the leading. You know, like she went through hell and then there's like a lot of like suicide talk when that happens, like they really go through hell. But people go, well, she's working again. and she's fine and I hate that she's fine because you're the one who always talks about compassion. So like let's say you called a guy the N word and then he went back to work the next day and I was like, these finds, well what about the N word thing?

42:54Like that's not her to his feelings. So it just feels a little hypocritical to me. Yeah, I, there's definitely something about a person overcoming a difficult situation and you thinking, well, because they overcame it, that means it's not big deal. Yes. Like, you don't know how much difficulty people went through. Of course. So there's a good example of this. I'm trying, I'm purposefully trying harder to be more disagreeable in my, really? Personal life and on the show as well. Yeah, I just, I've found myself to be a bit of a people pleaser. I don't, yeah, me too. Sitting with discomfort, especially on the show, just makes me feel like, me too.

43:31Why do we have there? What's wrong with us? Well, I mean, I, I'm in fucking therapies. So I've done like a million bro psychology reasons for why that's the case. But at least for me, if I say something that I know is purposely going to push the guest or even someone that I'm sad opposite into an area of discomfort, it makes me, it's like, tokellingly difficult. Same. So I understand if you look at Douglas Murray or Ben Shapiro or even Rogan or whoever and you go, well, they're able to do it. and you go, yeah, but it comes more easily. Well, actually, I don't know. In all truth, I don't know. And this is the point that I'm making.

44:10But if you, people please the number one on me, people please the number two, does that. It's like, it's like the skinny guy that manages to get muscular. You go, wow, look at what you had to overcome in order to be able to give this lukewarm pushback against a person. Something tells me that Ben Shapiro's cringeometer when he makes somebody else in a debate or a discussion feel uncomfortable, is not as high -peratuned as mine. You know yours might be. Sure. And that's the same as this. Well, think about it. They look okay. And so you don't know how much work this person has had to go through.

44:44100 % In order to be able to feel okay, they might have had to do fucking a thousand sessions of meditation. Yeah. And gone to Peru and done a ton of ayahuasca or maybe they cried themselves to sleep for three months. You don't know just because someone comes out the other side looking okay, It doesn't mean that they didn't go through some bullshit. And that, and look, it's fine if you want to be mean and be a bully, but don't act compassionate also. That's what bugs me about it too. So I completely agree. Like you're putting someone through hell. Like I know a couple guys who went through it and Jesus, they're like different people now.

45:18They, you know how the president goes in and then comes out and looking older, they're like that. You know, they had night terrors and therapy and all this shit. And I think it's like a biological thing where when you're outside the group, you know, this, we're all social creatures. So when you're outside the group and outcast, it fucks with you. It almost feels like you're dying or something. It's like this panic attacky feeling. It's very stressful. Yeah, so I think that's a lot, that's hard on somebody. There was a conversation I had with Robert Sapolsky, who's this evolutionary biologist guy, and he was teaching me about epigenetics.

45:53So I thought epigenetics was total dog shit. I thought it was like the god of the gaps for behavioral genetics. Basically, life circumstances can change your genome, not just change the way that you feel or your memories. They can actually impact you on a genetic level and that can be passed down. Now, you get perilously close to like ancestral trauma and stuff here, but there was a study done on pregnant women who entered poverty during their pregnancy. That's interesting. Poverty is a reliable stressor. It's a very reliable way to make you, it's really ruthless because being in poverty takes up so much of your mental stress, getting out of poverty becomes more difficult.

46:34It's a really vicious sort of catch -22 trap. And they were able to show genetic changes in the kids. And here's the wild thing. When your grandmother was pregnant with mother, the egg that was going to make you was inside of your grandmother. Because when a female baby is born, that born with all of the eggs that they will have for the entirety of their life. So at one point, there was grandmother, mother, and egg that would make you all inside of the same person. Jesus Christ. Anyone else hard? This is a lot going on here, man. Yeah. Ah. Boy, the human body, it is wacky. It is, but my point being that, you know, the stress that people go through, and you're totally right, I mean, those photos are Barack Obama.

47:25Yeah. You know, because he went in and it's, you look at someone like Joe Biden or Trump and you're like, he's kind of, it's not exactly looking his best. He was all going in. Entering, yeah. Whereas Barack was, you know, this sort of sprightly, handsome dude, going in and then he comes out and he's very line face and the gray hair is very, and some guys just cross that threshold in any case. Like me and you have got a little, the gray coming in on the old beard. But yeah, I think just giving people a bit more grace, and I find this in myself as well, you know, playing the, making a judgment about someone, making a very quick call about, oh well that's because they're a bad person.

48:06Well that's because they're in trust with you, whatever. I'm like, yeah, hang on a second, you don't know anything about them. But you've seen this small thing, and you're arguing for people to give more leeway, both of us today have been saying, oh, aren't we trying to just see the best in people? Yeah. As best we can. And maybe we even need to do that with the ones that are trying to push the narrative. You know, Schultz taught me about how he thinks internally it's not coordination, it's cowardice. So people scared of losing their jobs. Yeah. People don't believe that, and you think, well, cowardice is pretty bad, and it's caused a lot of evil shit to happen.

48:35Sure. But still, like, yeah, just, oh, God, he's slowing down, slowing it all down, and being a little bit more forgiving to people. But we did. We do look to like the outlandish, brash people kind of like Muhammad Ali, you know, in the 60s, like I'm the greatest, I'll kill anybody and you're sitting there in your little house as a kid going like, whoa, you're not supposed to be that arrogant and he's doing it and he's a killer out there in the ring. So I think comedy has that where it's like, holy shit Tim Jones just said that, you're not supposed to say those things. Things, oh my God, and it's fun.

49:10Richard Pryor was the king of that, or George Carlin. How so? Well, prior, Pryor was so revolutionary because like you had Cosby, you had Flip Wilson, you had mom's Mabley, but he was out there like, I'm gonna say the real shit. I'm not gonna walk the line. I'm gonna make fun of Whitey. I'm gonna say the N word a bunch, and he's smoking, and he's dirty. And then Carlin was like, what's up with this? What's up with that? He made fun of the man, the establishment, and that's what was fun about it. And they got pushback, but now we have the internet. So you can get pushback right to your door. Whereas before you just got like, you know, a letter from the Catholic Church or something.

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50:54That's justmeats .com slash modern wisdom 15 and modern wisdom 15, a checkout. I was found a study that recently was done de -platforming, norm -violating influences on social media, reduces overall online attention toward them. From politicians to podcast hosts, online platforms have systematically banned de -platformed influential users for breaking platform guidelines. Previous inquiries into the effectiveness of this intervention were inconclusive because one, they consider only a few de -platforming events, two, they consider only overt engagement traces, like likes and posts, but not passive engagement, like views, three, they do not consider all the potential places users are impacted by this de -platforming event might migrate to.

51:35They did this huge study, a quasi -experimental study, of 165 de -platforming events targeted at 101 influences. They looked at Reddit and then manually curated the data and did all of this stuff. Through a difference in difference approach, we found that de -platforming reduces online attention after 12 months. We estimate that online attention toward de -platformed influences is reduced by 63 % and on Google by 43 % on Wikipedia. Wow, so this is a really effective thing. 63 % on Google and 43 % further as we study over 100 de -platforming events we can analyze in which cases de -platform is more or less impactful, revealing nuances about the intervention.

52:14Notably, we find that both permanent and temporary de -platforming reduce online attention toward influences. Overall, this work contributes to the ongoing efforts to map the effectiveness of content moderation interventions, driving platform governance away from speculation. So we got some hard and fast data. 63 % on Google and 43 % on Wikipedia from Deplatforming. That sucks for those influencers who are part of this test. They're like, great. Now I'm fucked because you had to run a test on me. I think that it was, they looked at existing deplatforming events. I see. So your Alex Jones is, you're my Lee, you're not a police, you're a Tate, so whatever would have been looked at.

52:49I've never understood the whole thing. Oh, but it's a stri -zander effect. You know, it makes people Yeah, sometimes though, but it's very I mean Shane is I'm trying to think Kanye He was already huge before but Chappelle already huge before so yeah That you kind of have to have a base and you have this leeway as well and it's all about optics You know, I think that Kanye is in an interesting position because he genuinely doesn't care Doesn't seem to care and then Jesus god damn it. I missed I was watching the Super Bowl. I even texted you during it But I missed the Kanye advert. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome.

53:27I only saw it after the event. Yeah, just him on a phone. Hey, I spent seven billion bucks by my album. Thank you. So good. And it worked. He made millions on it. Yeah, but so he kind of doesn't care as he's evident by his handheld super, vertically shot, super well advert. And then, Um, she'll and Shane have got this like it's, you know, they gift people joy in a way. Yeah. And I know I feel like you guys, I said this ages ago that I feel like everyone should do stand up once so that they always have the ability to say, Hey, just a comedian. They've just got that as they get out of jail free card.

54:06Well, my thing is, look, you can hate the comic, you can hate the message the guy has to say or the girl is saying, but like, why does it have to go away? Like why the de -platforming? Why can't you just go, that's not for me. You know, when you're on campus, and they're doing like a, you know, a trans drum circle for climate change, you go, I'm not going to that. I'm going to get drunk, but you're not going to go, we got to shut this down. And that's the part that bugs me. It's like why the shutting down? That's so, that's so Trumpian. All these people hate Trump are very dictator -y. You know, it's same with like defund the police people, tend to make a lot of rules.

54:42also. So I'm like, you're just policing everything. It's very mirrored. I saw just around the corner from where I live that's got defund the police sign in the front garden. And every single morning I see this and a private security sticker in the front window. Yeah, there you go. Every single time that I walk past it, I think like, it's this a joke. We need a word for that. Like the climate change activist who's on the private jet to give his lectures about climate change. You know, the Republican Senator who's like, God hates fags, but he's blowing a guy in the rest stop. You know, there's this overcompensation of like, you gotta do this.

55:17I'm not doing that. But you gotta do it. So the closest thing is luxury beliefs. Oh, dude, tell. So a friend Rob Henderson's repopularized this. It's not his original invention, but he says, luxury beliefs are beliefs held by the upper classes is that Bistos status on them, but in their costs on people of... Oh, that's good. Yeah, so D from the police is a perfect example of this. Another one that's kind of obvious is two -parent households have no advantage or getting married has no advantage for raising a child. So you look at the number of college graduates and people in the upper echelon society, almost all of them are married, in monogamous relationships with a classic nuclear family setup.

56:02And the lower classes that may believe this particular narrative that's pushed by them, other ones that suffer. In the same way as you behind your gated community tweeting, yeah, we really need to, you know, these police are racist and we don't, we, they shouldn't be there and all the rest of it. It's like, yeah, but you're not a black guy from inner city, Chicago. Yeah, exactly. I know. And it looks good on paper like I saw in California, they're doing a thing where they're lowering test standards for black kids because they're having trouble in school. And I'm like, I guess that's nice because moral pass, but you're fucking them in the future.

56:35Like isn't that way worse? There's a huge problem in Illinois at the moment in the schooling system. Some huge percentage of kids can't read at grade level. And then they finish high school and they get out and it's just there's nothing there. They finish like K through 12. They've, math ability is way behind where they should be. Reading comprehension is way behind where they should be. You think, what are you learning? I know. You're doing. I know. It's scary. And you following the Roland fryer? No. Oh, this is right up your anal, baby. This is Chris all day long. I don't want to get too much into it, but he's a Harvard guy, Harvard professor, very like the youngest black professor at Harvard to get tenure or whatever you call it.

57:21I don't know. Brilliant guy. From the hood, black guy made it to Harvard, did it, wrote a bunch of books, esteemed. Everybody loves them. He started doing studies on police in black crime and all that and he came out with a study that there's actually way less black death from police than we think. And they're not actually going after black people as much as we think they are. This is his study. He couldn't believe the numbers because of, you know, because what we've been hearing for years and years. So he did it. He did it for a year with eight interns working under him. He couldn't believe the numbers.

57:55So he said, let's do another year and do it again with eight different people just to make sure we got it and it came out the same way And everybody at Harvard's like don't put this out. It'll ruin you. What she goes back to what I was saying about how I'm okay with the bullshit, but at least let me acknowledge it. They don't even want you to acknowledge it You know, so he's like I'm putting this out. This is data. It's facts So like it doesn't look good. Don't put it out. They tried to get him fire They tried to ruin him. They tried to meet to him. They tried all these things. He beat everything and he put it out And now he has an armed guard with him all day long because he's getting death threats So he's got his kid at the grocery store with a fucking security guard And the irony of like hey, I'm just saying it's not as bad out there for blackpills We think to saying that to now needing protection from a cop I mean the whole thing's wacky and I'm not saying he's right or wrong folks don't come after me I'm just saying this is happening in America right now and it's fascinating.

58:51That's wild I've got a friend, Carol Huvon, who wrote a book about testosterone. And when she did Rogan Show, she cried, I think four times. When she did my show, she cried at least three times. We went for breakfast in Austin. I think she cried twice at breakfast. What? She's just a very emotional lady. You know, it's in joy and sadness and stuff too. Like she'll start talking about her son and immediately start welling on him. She just loves her son. Anyway, she talks about biological differences between men and women, spicy, she was at Harvard. She had, I think it was one of the most popular courses of undergraduates in psychology.

59:36I think it's like some insane number. It might have been 500 people that attended this particular course that she did, really interesting course. And after she did the Rogan thing and then the book came out and then she maybe posted a couple of things as well. None of her teaching assistants were prepared to work with her. So these are post grads usually doing a PhD or something and they'll be part of some lab, but you need your TAs. You need the teaching assistants to its an ass. Because sorry, sorry. TAs. I'm listening. You need that to help you because it's a huge class in working work and they kind of assist during the lecturing.

1:00:18I've got a few friends in Austin who work as TAs for their professors, the head of their labs and shit. And that's like soft cancel. She was being pushed out because how can you do your course if no one will work with you? Of course. And then there wasn't backup from the dean and there wasn't the rest of it. And she's out now. She's out. She's being pushed out. I'm pretty sure she had tenure at this, which is supposed to be the protection that you could get. Yeah. And then she was part of this Bill Ackman thing, you know, where he called out Claudeine Gay. Oh, right, right. A couple of months ago.

1:00:49But the weird thing there, and I spoke to her about this, she was basically used as a very fortunate political football to be kicked around. See how perfect this is, shows that the woke Marba trying to push people out that say things that aren't egregious and no one, this is something I haven't really thought of before, no one considered what she wanted as a part of this. So she's already lost her job. Good point. But just because she's a very, same with Shane, like Shane strikes me as a large, ruddy, robust guy. Yeah. And you using him as an example of somebody who went through difficulty with SNL to then sort of come out the other side of it, I don't feel that he's taking that as, oh, you know, you've retrygared my PTSD from this awful incident that occurred to me five years ago.

1:01:37You just strike me. But the woman that cried five times on a podcast, maybe does. Yeah, right? This is, you know, again, do we care about people's feelings or not? Yes, it just comes back to trying to give people a bit more grace. Yes, there you go. It's, we shouldn't be boiled down to this one tweet or one thing we said or one joke we made or one thing this lady did, you know, but that's what we do. And I think we have negativity bias. So we go, this is the thing, fuck you. And you're like, what about all the good I did? And they're like, ah, forget about that. that Shane actually has a great sketch on a, ah the fucking lounge.

1:02:14What are you doing, the lounge? It's horrible food. So Shane has a great sketch where he's a fireman. He saved a bunch of people's lives and the guys like, wow, did you just save that whole burning building? You know, the babies, the women, everything. Yeah, yeah, that was me and he goes, looks like I found some tweets from last year and he says this, this and that, you know, it's gay and whatever. And he's like, oh yeah, why are you pulling that up? He's like, dude, what are you doing to me? And it's a nice, it's kind of a nice micro card and what's going on, like this gotcha shit. But the guy just saved a building full of people.

1:02:45So not good enough. Sorry, not good enough. Yeah. But I feel like, are we talking about this too much? I'm worried that I don't know at all. So I've got something I want to teach you about. Okay. Women are loving men who embrace baby girl vibe and ditch toxic masculinity. Delving into a new trend of baby girl, following Jacob Allordy, Timothy Shalame, Pedro Pascal and more, this includes men carrying purses, wearing shorts and sequins, an embracingly traditionally feminine aspect. A man who's a baby girl comes across his sweet charming, a bit bashful and seemingly in touch with their feminine side, ready to talk about their feelings or carry a purse to brunch at any point.

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1:03:55About 31 % of American men have actively changed their behavior to become more vulnerable and open with people they are dating, according to Bumble's 2024 Dating Trends report. Well, I think this is nothing new. You know, like, like Mick Jagger, David Bowie, they all went through this like, what do you call that when you're kind of feminine and masculine and drudgenous? And drudgenous. And drudgenous, like, I think this is, you know, in the 60s guys grew their hair long and every dad was like, you fucking homo, like, look at these, you get a haircut, pussy. And I think that was crazy then, you know, having long hair or tight pants or whatever.

1:04:29So I think it's just this, This is just another swing of this and masculinity is the norm. So we got to go against the norm and then eventually baby girl, whatever will be the norm and then being masculine will be weird. So that'll be in. So I think it just, it all just flip everyone's whacked by whatever looks novel. Yes. That's a better way to concise way to say it. I've been, me and my house may have been thinking a lot about things that a bitch that you don't realize a bitch. So trying to pick up a moving ping pong ball. No, that's a great one. Very bitch. Stopped bicycle. Stopped bicycle.

1:05:07Oh, yeah, that kind of awkward. Yeah. I got one. You know, when you close the door and it doesn't close the car door and it doesn't latch all the way and you got to give it that booty bump. I hate the booty bump, but you got to do it. These are great. This could be like a TikTok running series. wearing as a man wearing a towel wrapped around your upper chest rather than wrapped around your waist. Oh, I got another one. You know, standing like this is very masculine, but if you just rotate it like that, it's so much gayer. What is that? Well, it's just the same hand, same hip, but if you flip it, you look so much more feminine.

1:05:46Doing that thing when you wash your hands. Oh, yeah. into the face of the finger from behind. Yeah. That's pretty bitch. Turning it, he has Zach has one, which is turning around ever. So if you walk past the entrance to somewhere, you're going around the block and coming back in, because if you go and then turn around, that's pretty bitch. That's good. He had one at dinner the other evening, which we would sat outside and the receipt blew off the front of the table. And we've been talking about things that a bitch that you don't realize a bitch for six months now. This is gold. We've accumulated this huge, big, long list.

1:06:21I love it. I could go for the rest of the podcast. And I was watching it and we hadn't come up with chasing a receipt blown in the wind. And I was watching it happen and sure enough the wind picked up. And you sort of, you know, you bend over and you, that and then it goes away again. And I was, and he came back over and he went, this is adding, this is being added to the list, isn't it? That's a great one. It's getting added to the list. I would say applying chapstick could be pretty bad. Getting a banana. Banana classic. Oh, a heavy door. You have a you have a door we're like Oh, it takes all the manly confidence out of you when the doors too heavy Sleeping in a blanket with your arms all the way under as opposed to having your arms out.

1:06:59Oh, interesting I think that's pretty bitch. I'm holding a coffee mug with both hands. Yes. That's a great one massively bitch My wife she says if I see a guy with flip flops live a gin is just just sown up like the those ones. The Tongue. It's the idea of that thing between the toe. That really freaks her out. She's like, it slides, I'll do a slide. But the Tongue is what gets you. Which is interesting because Crocs are obviously the most sexually arousing type of footwear that are available. You know what my favorite thing about Crocs are? That flap, that little ankle holder. If you put that up, it's called sport mode.

1:07:38Which to me is like, what are we getting? No, this is that, that, that, that, that. Let's sport. What are you gonna go run a mile with that? You're gonna play football. Someone's, there is a crock marathon. Come on. Record. Really? There's a crock mile and there's a crock marathon record. People can go and look this up online. I will. Yeah. I'm sure it's a lead athlete. Yeah. Well, look, I think that, oh, do you know what the BMIs is? We have no news. Okay, well, I think it's technically called the Chunder Mile, but you do, I think four laps of a 400 meter track, which would be 1 .6K, I think that's a mile, I think 1 .6.

1:08:15Maybe you start tiny bit behind the line or something to absolutely nail it. And at the beginning of each mile, at the beginning of each lap, you drink a bottle of beer, I think. Or maybe it's a pint, I think it's a pint of beer. So it's four pints and four laps of a running track, one mile. And this is a very prestigious, in the running world, super prestigious record. Superpress, like the guy that wins this is an entire channel that's committed to it and they track all of the things And there's people that and they've got you know tactics for how they're gonna drink and it's not just your ability to run it to your ability to Not run and not throw up and it's called the chunder mile because as soon as everybody finishes Paul pints two liters of beer just comes back out.

1:08:59Oh, I love it and it's fun. It's like highly held Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this should be televised. This is way more way better than pickleball I do love pickleball. I adore pickleball. Me too. Problem is, it's the, it's got the highest disparity between how fun it is to watch. Yeah. How fun it is to play. Great point. So true. There is no more boring sport to watch. It's like sizzling. Way more fun to do. Watching sizzling, I don't love. But yeah, you're right. And I always say pickleball is like COVID because it swept the nation and old people love it. And fat people are scared of it.

1:09:36Have you played Padel? Have you tried that? No, it's a paddle. Yeah, paddle, whatever. I don't know. I'm around some people that are you repeating and they call it Padel. But I think that maybe Padel, something different to paddle. I don't know. Anyway, I tried to play it over the weekend in Miami. And I've decided that pickleball is tennis for old people. Yeah. And Padel is tennis for rich people. Because it's all everyone that's there has got some got it. Nice Rolex on. and everyone's like, I don't know, it's just, it was very strange sport and I'm all for pickleball and I think the pedal can go fuck itself.

1:10:11Okay, okay, yeah. Pickleball to me is so perfect. I don't wanna try anything different because you play indoors or outdoor, you must be playing indoors in New York. New York mostly indoors, but there's a basketball court, two blocks away from my house, and it's just been, the basketball's over. It's all pickleball, it's bunch of yuppies out there with little nets going at it. I would love to see street ball New York play. Yeah. Coming up against ice, soy, frappe. Right, right. It's total gentrification of sport. Of the sport. Yeah. Yeah, it used to be like this gritty kind of, yeah, like real basketball court with like street guys.

1:10:49That's a great skit. If you did a, Yeah. It's the pickleball gentrification. It's got nothing to do with the number of Starbucks that you've got or whether or not there's a Chipotle. Like that's when you know that someone's been fully gentrified when there's a Chipotle. I threw and then it would just be through pickleball. All that you would do is find different courts to put pickleball in and that would sort it out. Yeah, I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood and I used to skateboard back when skateboarding was like, it was like a grungy white guy thing in the 90s. Now this all, it's all over the place, which is great.

1:11:21But we built a skate park and it happened to be next to a basketball court and we came back one day and it was burned down and it was kind of like this racial thing like, hey, don't take our basketball court. Yeah, it was heavy. New Orleans is hardcore. It really is. It's a wild place. We'll get back to talking to Mark in one minute, but first I need to tell you about element. Stop having coffee first thing in the morning. Your adenosine system that caffeine acts on isn't even active for the first 90 minutes of the day, but your adrenal system is unsolved acts on your adrenal system. Element contains a science -backed electrolyte ratio of sodium potassium and magnesium that helps to curb cravings, regulate your appetite and improve your brain function.

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1:13:19Yeah, and it's super fast. It's usually maybe 25, 30 miles an hour. Fun, but also if you wipe out at 20 or 30 miles an hour, you feel it. And you're attached to this bored thing. Wake surfing is much slower. It's like 11 miles an hour. And you're actually surfing up and down, carving up and down the wake that's made by the boat. So you live seen people. It's weathered, you know, as far as from me to the wall behind a boat and they're kind of with a rope, with a rubber, then you let go of the rope. Okay. Because the boat makes a particular a shape, wake behind it. Ah, yes. If you're goofy, then you can have it on the other, the bolts can usually switch side.

1:13:56Got it. So it can make a smooth arc. And I did that, I've been doing that pretty obsessively for two years since I've been here. Really? Yeah. But I didn't have the background in skating. Yeah. And my friend, Alex O 'Connor, who is a philosophy theology hyper nerd, debates, Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson and all of these. I know that guy. Yeah, he's great. He's phenomenal. Doesn't strike you as someone that would be a master of physicality, but he had this background in skateboarding, and I'd been trying, for ages, this is a year ago when he came out, he wore a suit to a boat party. And it's like the true philosopher.

1:14:33And first time that he gets pulled along in the rope, stands up no problem. So there is a skill set, I think, inside of people that did skateboarding as a kid or some sort of balance board. Sure. Dan's probably other stuff. Put a bowl in a paddle or a bat in my hand. I'm laughing, but balance sports. Interesting. Yeah, I think there's two kinds of people. The people who want to go straight forward, like skiing, and then the people want to go sideways, like surfing or snowboarding. And I'm a sideways guy all day long. I snowboard. I don't like being straight up, it freaks me out. Is that weird?

1:15:11I don't know. I saw a video of the first time that snowboarding was introduced to the slopes of America. And all of these sort of old granola, grizzled ski guys that were running the slopes or whatever were saying that they're like missiles and they're super dangerous and they wouldn't let them on the lift. The liftees wouldn't let them on. So they had to trek up and then they'd find some unprotected part of the mountain and they'd snowboard down. But yeah, they saw it as this. It was a travesty to the world of snow sports. And this is only in the 80s, I think. See, that's how it go. Whenever something's new, it's attacked.

1:15:51Yes. But everything, the car was attacked, you know? Like anything new that comes out, people will go at it and they say, this is horrible. Like the self -driving cars are coming. You know, everybody's like, that's crazy. They're going to run people over, blah, blah, but I'm like, they're coming. There's a pretty good amount of evidence, I think. even now with the data sets that they're playing with and the level of sophistication, which is obviously going to get better is there's more training sets. It's way, even now, way safer than a human driver. Like the the risk profile is lower. But there's something strange about if you're in an accident that happens because of a person, I wonder, I'm trying to work out whether there's something more reassuring about putting your life in the hands of other people and yourself.

1:16:36or outsourcing it to an algorithm. If you were in a crash that crippled yourself, would it be easier to deal with? Ooh, good point. Then because of some bug in a computer code or the fact there was a weirdly shaped cone and it caused it to swing as a rope. Oh my God, that is scary. Now you're suing a corporation instead of you're getting mad at yourself. Yes, I wonder, I really don't know what the humans, I guess it's gonna change person to person, but on average, I don't know how people feel about that. I don't know if they would feel more comfortable being injured by their own hand or surviving at the behest of an AI.

1:17:16Yeah, that's dark. I guess I'd rather myself. But that's no good either. Yeah, it's a lose -lose. Yeah. Well, that cat Williams thing was that he said was interesting. Like, in the future, there's no police chase, because the car will just be tuned in to the internet or satellites or whatever, so if you're in a getaway, the car will just stop and the cops will get you. The dude who lives across the street from me, his insurance for his Tesla is organized by Tesla. I didn't realize that you could go full stack, manufacturer, and insurance company. But the problem is that Tesla has access to the metrics, diagnostics that come out of his car, and they know how closely drives the cars in front, they know how fast he accelerates and breaks, and his insurance premiums are higher because of his more dangerous driving style.

1:18:09There you go. That's why I'd never heard this story. I believe that's not broken on the internet. I know. But yeah, if you get your car insurance through Tesla because they know the metrics and the diagnostics of how you drive and they've got the wisdom around thing to see how close you are to other cars, they know how close you came to an accident every single time you need to get to the hospital. I don't like that. I don't like that information out there. I have a 1973 BMW with crank windows and a stick shift. Like you, you don't buckle up, it doesn't go, boop boop boop boop boop boop. You know, it's just, it's all analog and I love that.

1:18:42I like cash. I'm not one of these libertarian off the grid, but I do like a little bit of, leave me alone. You know, you don't wanna be dialed in like these people pay for everything with their phone. All that shit is a paper trail. I don't like it. It makes me nervous. Two connected. Speaking about the shit from the past, I found a job advert for Ernest Shackleton. So Ernest Shackleton was the British explorer who first went across the Antarctic on foot, unsupported. So he needed a crew, I think it was about between 18 and so the 25 people went with him. There was a stowaway actually, which is pretty interesting.

1:19:24There's a great book, great book by Alfred Lansing called Endurance, which was the name of the ship and they leave in 1914 and they actually were due to leave the day after World War One was announced and they sent a message to the king asking whether or not he still wanted them to go. There were all men of military age with military experience and you know they were rough fighting robust dudes and they said like if you don't want us to do this thing even though we've been planning it for ages we're not going to go and he's sent back like crack on and we'll beat the Germans on our own. But he put a job advert out, and it's one of the best job adverts I've ever heard.

1:20:01It says, men wanted for hazardous journey, low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness, safe return doubtful, honor and recognition in eventive success. Wow, I love that. So cool. Yeah, now who are the guys who read that and go? This is me. Apparently there was a, he was way over subscribed. Really? That's kind of gives me hope. I mean, what year are we talking? That would have been probably 1912. Well, you got to think back then, like you ever seen the movie 1917? Yes, but the World War I and the British kids. That's the one that only got like five cuts in the entire year. Yes, yes.

1:20:36Amazing movie. But they show these kids and they're like, hell yeah, I'm signing up for war. What else are we doing? We work in a mill. I'm homeless. I'm toothless. I'm a chimney sweep. I'm a, you know, just an Oliver Twist, Lyme, you know, loser kid. So they all signed up because they had nothing else going on. You know, and I think that there's probably a lot of that back then too, like adventure? Hell yeah, I work in a factory. Yeah. So I think we're missing that. Yeah, I think so. Well, there's just so many other things that people can do. Of course. Convenience and comfort and distraction and entertainment and all the rest of it.

1:21:08There was a TikTok that was put up that I saw by a girl that said something like, you're going to make me a little girl go to war. I'm sat here eating cereal in my pajamas for the third time today. And I think you wouldn't be sending that 21 -year -old girl off to war no matter what. But the sense, the subtext is there are other things that I can do with my time that entertain me. Whereas men wanted for hazardous journey, the low wage is bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness, safe return, doubtful honor and recognition in an event of success. Someone to go, well, I mean, the alternative is to just stay here in Leicester.

1:21:49Yeah. Yeah. Manchester or something. Yeah. So I think we need to teach people, sometimes you should go towards the discomfort. Yes. Instead of just, all, everything is comfort like Uber Eats, Netflix and chill, Tinder. You don't have to approach the girl. You can just Tinder her. Everything is getting more, more more more dialed into less effort and ease and I think that will fuck us if it hasn't already. There's a website called Spurious Correlations. It's one of the best things that I've found. So this guy is tracking thousands and thousands of different metrics and he's looking for correlations between the two of them.

1:22:26I like that. So the total rainfall in San Francisco correlates with the number of printing press operators in Rhode Island for some reason. Whoa. The number of people who die by drowning in backyard pools and the total volume of Nicholas Cage movies released in a single year are the same. Wow, that's wild. So just because he's a US bottled water consumption per person and the solar power generated in the Sudan, like very, I mean, you know, they affect each other. This is super strongly correlated. It's like a time travel shit. You step on a roach in an 1801, and it affects. Yeah, there you go.

1:23:05Yeah, the number of movies Nicholas Cage appeared in and votes for the Libertarian presidential candidate in Georgia. Like, and it's a, dude, that's a tight fucking correlation then. Wow! That's, you know, there's that study that men who kissed their wives before going to work in less car accidents. No way. That's a fact, yeah. So there's all, this is cool stuff. Yeah, I love shit like that. There was a really great story in Matthew Walker's book, Why We Sleep. I'm talking about the impact of low sleep on surgeons and doctors that work in hospitals. And I can't remember what this shift called.

1:23:40It's like a triple shift or a night shift or something. And they're awake for this insane amount of time. And the percentage of surgeons and doctors who do these shifts and then get in car accidents and to re -deliver back to the same hospital where they would have worked to get looked after. Right. The same thing happens around daylight savings. So when we lose an hour, the number of heart attacks, I think increased or something, increases by 25 % and so do road accidents. And the same thing is decreased on the other side when you just give people an hour more sleep. Right. And they tested this with college or high school students in a particular town.

1:24:23And they allowed there, I think instead of getting into class at 9 a .m. or 8 .30 a .m., it was 10 .30am and the total road traffic accidents in the entire city went down by a statistically significant amount. Jesus! The teenagers have a later go to bed and get up time. So for the parents of teenagers, you don't have some dysfunctional broken child. It's just that's the way that their body clocks tend to operate, that the government is staying up late and getting up late. But yeah, the impact of that sort of stuff is... I love it. When Uber came out, cities lost so much money because DUI's went way down.

1:25:02DUI's bringing a ton of income to the city, with legal fees and police and whatever. So yeah, that everything correlates. It's all connected, baby, the great fag Nate. That's cool. Yeah, I am. So I've got my car. No, I did it. Good for you. Thank you. Right side of the road. Yeah. Well, whatever. I'll get used to it. But I've still... I've managed to habitually using Uber so much. Yeah. That there's still time where I'm like, I'm just gonna, it's to think that you can get from where you are to where you need to be for 15 bucks. I know. With a driver that arrives at your house when you want him there, and then he'll drop you off exactly where you need to be, and you're pretty safe, and if there's a problem, you can call an SOS thing, and you know exactly how long it, there's no parking, it's like a hooker.

1:25:49You just leave, you know, there's no attachment. That's the best part of a hooker and Uber, is it just, it's over. We're done here. Have you ever used the comfort thing on Uber and then you get to select your preferred temperature and your amount of conversation? No. So you know this Uber X, Uber Priority, Uber Comfort, XL, blah blah blah, black and all this stuff. And one of them is comfort. And if you select comfort in certain cities, you can select the temperature and the conversation. I love that. Preferred. Because I mean, let's be honest. We've all gotten that Uber and it's like crazy loud music and the guy's seat is way back and you're like this sucks And then the guys got crazy B .O.

1:26:30B .O. should be on there too by the way if we're gonna do music and conversation Deodorant should be part of that But yeah, no that some of these Uber's are a little brazen, you know what the shit they they get away with Have you ever got in one where someone's had either their friend or their partner with them? No, I've never seen that that's hilarious I guess I'm in a bunch of times, I'm in London a couple of times to me. Someone's just there, like hanging out with the wife, or ghostly, or whatever. And they just do the front seat, and they're just like nottering away. And you just sort of join this short family vacation from where you're going to where you end up.

1:27:04That's wild. Yeah, Uber gets a little too comfortable sometimes, but is it an amazing way to live without Uber? Like the fact that I don't know how old you, I'm 40. So like getting a cab was an issue. That was, I'm from New Orleans. So it wasn't like a yellow cab on the street, like New York or you hail it. It was like call the company, set up a time, pray to God, they show up, you got a flight to make. That's insane that we live like that. Now I Uber eight times a day. Yeah, it's phenomenal. And I understand that there was problems and pushback from taxi driver people because it was taking over.

1:27:39But it's just so much better. So much better taxis fucked up. They got too comfortable. Yeah, they thought that they had it all I sort it out. Yeah, I really love, really, really love Uber. I do too. I'd go to sleep my friend's house and my parents would be like, can you come get me? And they're like, ah, okay. Now they'd just be like Uber. Yeah, that's so easy. There's a in Ibiza part of Spain, so the way that Spanish taxis work. Yellow cars at night, they have a little thing on the top. And if it's vacant, it's green and if it's taken, it's red or off. And the number of times when I spent, I went to Ibiza, like, 30 times in a row.

1:28:19Are you doing Ibiza now? You're that guy? No, I did it. I haven't. You can't say Ibiza? It's Ibiza. Is it a TH? It is for us. Okay, okay, Zed. Yeah, I forgot. It's, we're trying to angle -size everything, taking over the country, one mispronounced. Good point. Country at a time. The amount of time that I've spent looking down a road waiting for a car with a green light to come on. It's some horrific after -party. Exactly. Coming down from a concoction of mystery drug. Right. And just thinking I really, really want, and then if I'd had a new bro to be in bed. There you go. And in bed staring at the ceiling, hating myself.

1:28:58It's being in a red light green light, and I throw a fun nugget at you. Yeah. This is why I'm obsessed with YouTube, because shit just pops up. There's a town, there's a town called Syracuse New York. It's a real shit box that used to be like a booming but tropolis with like, uh, you know, manufacturing and that all went overseas So the town's kind of fucked, but there's an Irish neighborhood. The only one in the country has a stoplight Only one of the country that's the green light is on the top and the red light is on the bottom Why? Because the Irish immigrants who moved there in 19 whatever did like the British Red being above the Irish green.

1:29:40So they flipped it like a couple of street tuffs just went in overnight and flipped it. And it's the only one in America like that. And it's still like that. Still like that. Yeah, so that just shows people are serious about their ideologies. I forgot to teach you about this thing. I learned about poor sleep quality is linked to self -defeating humor and profanity. Oh my God, and you me. I was going to say this explained to the entire comedy world. In a novel explanation into the intricate ways our physical states impact our use of words, researchers have discovered a fascinating link between poor sleep quality and an increased use of specific types of arousing language, namely humor and curse words.

1:30:18The study published in Current Psychology explains that those experiencing poor sleep quality may be more inclined to use arousing forms of language as a physiological mechanism to counteract feelings of tiredness. So they make themselves a target of a jokes. That's more common, more commonly reported among participants that experience more sleep problems, noticeable relationship between sleep quality and the frequency of curse word usage. Wow. That's pretty good. See, these correlations are great. Yeah. This one's actually, this isn't serious. This is studied, not, not, not serious. But I think, especially being British, there's a problem, Americans have a problem with you So peppering a sentence with swiwards.

1:31:00Daniel Sloss has a fantastic bit about this. He's good. Where he's pretending to play the drums and each different part of the drum is a swiward. And he says, as Scottish people, it just sort of falls out of you very, very quickly. Whereas with Americans, you are, apart from maybe the comedy world, much more sort of uptight around profanity. There's still a big concern. I mean, I used the C word on my, it's a different thing here. There's normal in England. Yes. Here it's heavy duty. Yeah, it's a real weapon of mass destruction. Yeah, yeah. There's no other acceptable, unacceptable, more unacceptable, acceptable word.

1:31:41Like you have to, Yes. After that, you're onto the N word. Exactly. You're into real No Man's Land Territory. Yeah, you call a woman, then it's fighting words. Yeah. It's game on. Where is, you call your friends that in the UK? Yeah. So yeah, it just learning, re -centering the scope of my linguistic usage and realizing what words are in and what words are out and what I can't say and what I can't say. Yeah, yeah, we do the F word a lot. It's all a buffer. It's all like, I'm trying to think of something. So what's the name of that fucking drink you sell? And it's not good and it's comics use it too much.

1:32:17The problem now is the word like. This is like an American epidemic. This is a real problem. You watch like Gen Z and all these people, everything is like, you know, you'll watch a Candice Owens or something go for yellow to a college kid. And they're going, well, like you said, like you were eating and it's like, no, not like she was eating. She was eating. But they fill it with like and it's so fucking frustrating. You sound dumb or it bleeds into everything. I had a really great conversation two years ago with a linguistic analysis lady and she was explaining what's going on here. and they're referred to as filler words.

1:32:53Yes. Found this out, this is fantastic. So, um and uh are two different use cases. People will um and uh at different times. Uh is knowing what they need to say, but searching for the word more commonly. And um is trying to work out the direction that they actually want to talk in. The reason being, if you were to just open your mouth and make a noise of talking, What you end up with is something like, it's that. It's just the noise of, use a MacBook, and it's got that spinning colored wheel. It's the spinning colored wheel of linguistics. The Mitch McConnell. I'm gonna call it. There you go. Yeah.

1:33:35Perfect. That's, it's a holding pattern. And like has come in to say, it is something approximating this thing, I'm about to say. That's what like is. But it's also been used as a filler word, and it's taken up both of those. Which is why the frequencies increase so much. Great, great point. Yeah, because it is a use warrant, this tastes like chicken. Yes. So now we're going, okay, it's similar to chicken. Correct. But everything has become, I was reading like a book. No, you were reading a book. You were reading the Quran. Like just say the book, but it's just a filler. But you're right, it's a filler and it's a...

1:34:14The other thing is that. Here's a second swearing study that I thought was brilliant. Repeating the F word can improve threshold for pain. I've heard that. During an ice water challenge, recent study found that repeating the F word during an ice water experiment increased subjects tolerance and threshold for pain, however reciting made up swar words showed no such pain reducing effects. Humorous studies have shown that the use of swar words can strengthen pain tolerance during an ice water experiment. UK researchers, Stevens and Robertson set out to explore the mechanism behind this pain in a unique way.

1:34:47Team specialists invented two new swarwords, with properties similar to known curse words, that then tested the invented words on a cold presser experiment to see whether they would mimic the pain -reducing effects of known swarwords. One theory suggests that the swearing produces analgesic effects through autonomic arousal caused by increased emotion. So you're basically distracting yourself from what you're feeling by increasing the emotion inside of you. It's like getting angry and then punching something. Right. To explore this idea, researchers chose the made up swarword Fouch. Ah, selective fouch.

1:35:18Yeah, what a fouch. Selected for its emotion, provoking potential. Another theory suggests that swearing alleviates the pain by distracting attention away from the painful event. Research is, it clearly shows the second made up curse word, twizz pipe for its potential to evoke distraction through humour. So fouch and twizz pipe don't work as well as just screaming the f word if you're in pain. That makes sense. But twizz pipe It sounds like a slur for British people. Doesn't it? These fucking twist pipes over here. Yeah, a little bit. I don't know. It's fascinating how language gets sort of used and abused.

1:35:53And I was thinking, as I often do when I wake up first thing in the morning, I was thinking about the N -word. And it's so, what have I seen? I'd seen Derek Poston doing his podcast. And I think they're playing, it's kind of like Wheel of Fortune, but it's called Who's that N word and they showed it. They put it up on the screen and then they've got a guess. Is it all black people? Yes. And I was like, it is absolutely why, and it's just the most liberal use of that. It's the saying, like smattering a word with fuck, like or like, it's that. But I just thought, it is so insane that we have this, it's fascinating.

1:36:38Isn't it boundary around that particular word itself? I know. I blame slavery. It's the only reason that it could be this powerful. You know, because obviously it's silly. I grew up, I went to public school and all my black friends were like, come on, say it. And I was like, I'm not saying it. I was like, come on. And then eventually after an hour, you'd say it. And they were like, ah! So it just proves like, okay, you can exist with a white person saying this word and not lose complete control and beat the shit out of me. but it is just something about that word. It's just garnered this because people used to say it on the news and stuff in the 90s.

1:37:14No way. Oh yeah, they'd be like, they'd be reading like a police report and the man said to, you know, and it was just like, you couldn't say it at somebody, but you could still say it. Reference it. You could still reference it and now you can't even reference it. Wow. Yeah, and that time of empowering, that's the ultimate empowering. By the way, another thing white people invented, the N word, but and Black people took it and made it cool. But it is in power, that that is in power. Like using it, only you guys can use it and you can't. And if you do, we get to fuck you up. Yeah, it's really, really.

1:37:50When you try and think about it just from outside of the culture and knowing the history of it and how fraught it is, yes. You realize this is so funny that we have this sort of arbitrary boundary that's pretty good. I know, around this particular word. And it's a hilarious word whenever black comics use it the joke is twice as funny correct But I have an idea and I've tried this on stage, but it's too the world's not ready for this shit So tell me what you think guys. All right, so what about an only fans for Racism so a black guy will be like you sign up for my only fans and instead of seeing my vagina Or seeing me my tits you can call me the n -word for a fee I think there's something here.

1:38:34And you can do it with Jews, Gays, Gays. And you, because people are gonna say it anyway, so you might as well get the money from it. Right. So you're kind of like a punch bag for people's racism. It's like a let off valve. Yeah, yeah. Like talk about empowering. You read my friend, I was, it all started because I was bitching about people being mean to me in my comments on my videos. And my black friends like, oh, are you hurt? Look at me and it's just N word N word N word. I was like, oh, you got me beat there, that's horrible. And I was like, it sucks that you can't harness this and get paid, because women are like, I'm getting harassed all day.

1:39:10If you were looking at my cleavage, I'll make money off of it. It's too bad black people or Jew, like Palestinians are signed in the house. The races. Yes, wouldn't that be great? Wow, well, I didn't realize, I wondered why on a bunch of different comment sections, there was so many ninja emojis. Oh, yeah. I had to have it translated by my husband. I said, dude, what, am I missing something? And he laid it out for me. Yeah. And I thought, ah, ninja please. Yeah. Exactly. The, another friend that I had a similar conversation with, he's got this, he's got a disorder where he yelps in the night. So it's very common amongst men that are late 20s or early 30s, very common.

1:40:00And it's called Paris Somnia Overlapter Sword and POD. And basically if he's startled during the night, then he'll make a sort of a... Woo! Like makes that kind of a noise. Yeah. And we were away on a stag -do bachelor party a year and a half ago. We were sharing. It's one of those... like the cheapest hotel that we could find in leads or Manchester over we'd gone to and everyone's in a single, like a twin room with a single, but just classic British stag party. And I farted really loudly. So what that resulted in was, that was the one to punch. And I just remember thinking like what a phenomenal issue to have.

1:40:46It's if someone breaks in, you're an earlier one. Right, right. Saying if you've got some sort of an issue in the house, you're the alarm. Yes, correct. But he doesn't wake up. No. So he just gets, but he wakes everyone else up. Okay, okay. It's a hell get killed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll get killed by the intruder and first he'll go, oh, and then get stabbed. But his misses is awake. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Which helps. So she can watch them come in and do that. That's nice. The swoop stuff is fed. My brother used to sleepwalk. It's all wacky. Really? Sleepwalking is crazy. One time my mom found him naked sleepwalking and speaking French at a window Yeah, cuz we were in French immersion when we were kids So she was naked staring at a window going She must say, wow, ho ho ho You know JimuPel mark or whatever and yeah, so Sleepwalking is fucking weird Because the the psyche, you know sub conscious shit's coming out.

1:41:41I'd love to know why like what it is, how that even worked. Are you conscious? Are you unconscious? I think you're uncalled. He doesn't remember it the next morning. He's like, what? Really? You were walking. You were up right. You were presumably opening doors and stuff. Crazy. It's one of my friends is trying to lucid dream. So he wants to be able to control his dreams and understand what he's doing and then doing dream analysis. So he's writing in a dream journal and stuff like that. I had a weird dream last night about, I was late for a lecturer at university, I haven't been to university for 15 years, late for a lecturer at university, and it was held up by someone doing a photo shoot of horses.

1:42:23And I texted him, I was like, dude, can you do some dream analysis on this? Do we know what it means? Yeah, I'm not really too sure how I feel about analyzing your dreams. Is it deeper insight into your psyche? Yeah, it's hard to tell how accurate it is, but it is pretty cool. You know, you're like, oh, what does this mean? What does it mean when I'm eating by spiders? and it means, oh, you're taking on too much work and you hate your debt or whatever. So yeah, that is it fascinating. I'd love to know how accurate that is. It's the original Apple Vision Pro. The original V -on. Lucid Dreaming.

1:42:53What is that? What are you doing with those on? I haven't put it on, I've seen a bunch of people that have got it. A lot of people I know have sent that back. Really? Yeah, I mean, it's full -ground, too. Oh, geez. Plus, you need the battery pack and you buy a special bag for it and something else. I don't know, maybe people are watching porn, I'm not sure. But I'll spin. I don't know. The VR thing for me is the one area where it was promised that this was going to be, you know, world -changing life -destroying technology. And as of yet, I just haven't seen anything like the mass adoption. And someone's tried to say, well, look, the Applevision Pro is the same as the first iPhone.

1:43:33Look at how much more developed iPhone 1 through 15 was. No, no, it's, I was like, yeah, but I remember when the first iPhone came out and people couldn't wait to get a hold of it It was itself a useful revolutionary piece of kit and no one sent it back. Yes this Yeah, yeah, I know I'm with you, but I mean it just feels like we keep upping all this real virtual stuff How long till it's gonna be a go to a party and it's gonna be like let's just place gravel like that's gonna be a novelty We're gonna get so far technologically that eventually it's gonna be like charades. Come round to my house and let's hoagarden.

1:44:10Yeah. Like hit some fence posts in because it's the thing that's gonna feel real. Exactly. And you're like, oh, my hand is cut. Whoa. How about that blood? That's crazy. Well, you kind of, we were saying this even before we started that for every reaction, or for every action, there's a reaction and then a counterculture, re -reaction to everything. And then there's a group of people saying that the people that are talking about this, they're the real problem. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very predictable sequence of things that you go through. But you're already beginning to see in Austin, people say, I'm out, I'm, you know, I'm gonna, I'm full Ted Kaczynski in this.

1:44:43I'm gonna get myself a ranch in dripping springs or in bass drop. Two weeks ago, I went to bass drop to this dude's house. It's a beautiful, amazing house. And it's just him and his wife and his dogs and that kid. And he just wakes up on a morning and goes for a dip in the river. and it's like, he's regressed by 100 years, as well 150 years. So if a Gregorian life, and he's, oh, this is my, the matrimardos are coming in very nicely. So it's gonna be a good harvest this year or whatever it is. And I think that this is people doing the whole counterculture thing. I think so, but could you do that?

1:45:16That might be a personality thing too. Like I could never live like that. I'd struggle to be away from people and novelty and stuff like that. This, this is nice. You know, building up your channel, like goals and stuff. I can't just have the tomato. It doesn't fulfill me. Maybe it's an age, it's definitely a predisposition thing. But yeah, the dopamine side of life is still fun. It's just that we're all way overclocked on it. Way overclocked. You got that right. Yeah. And it's hard to go back. Once you get that taste, it's hard to go back to, it's like success. It's hard to go down and success.

1:45:49You really hate yourself. There's a Will Smith bit from his memoir, which was written by Mark Manson, the guy that did the Sun lot. And he's good. He says, gaining fame is amazing. Being famous is a mixed bag and losing fame is terrible. Wow, that's so good. Yep, so true. And look at the slap. I mean, that's a big decline. Nose dive to no fame. Isn't he filming I Am Legend 2? He is, yeah. I mean, that could be the salvage. salvage moment better be good. Yes. Yeah. If it's bad then every single knife that someone has got behind that back is gonna come out Yeah, and did it with it kind of cool though how much it helped Chris rock How's it?

1:46:34Well, I don't know about mentally. I'm sure that that'll fuck you up to get slapped on live TV and the whole world saw it By the way, that that was just such an insane moment. That's never happened. Yeah, that happened It's real, all these conspiracies, it's real. But his special did better that year than anyone else's, because we're all like, I gotta hear about this. Yes. And it's kind of nice when the country all knows about, we're also splintered. So when the country all knows about one thing, it's kind of nice. You know, that's why COVID was kind of interesting, because it was the first time we were global since like the Olympics.

1:47:09Correct. Well, there was one moment, you know, for six weeks from March 2020, where everyone was kind of in it together. Yeah, you know, I knew what it was like to be in Wuhan, China. Right. He was like to be in New York City. Everyone was locked down. Everyone was scared. Everyone was uncertain about what was gonna happen. Sure. Then very, very quickly, it just came back to, God, don't do that. It is so quick. We will go negative quick. But yeah, that slap was wild. That was kind of cool for comedy because you had to hear about it. You know, Chris Rock's already a great orator. Now we're going to hear him talk about this, that we all know about and it's kind of like Richard Pryor.

1:47:47He lit his hair on fire and went to jail in the 70s. Yep. And he did a special about it and it was it's probably the best special of all time. It's called live and concert and he talks about the whole thing, but he does it hilariously. He shoots his car, he hits his wife, he does drugs, it goes to jail. It's great. It's interesting that you need everyone to have an insight about one thing. It's like if everyone, well, I guess this is one of the reasons why COVID and masks and vaccines and some was such a popular talking point because you know that everyone knows what you're talking about. Yes, totally.

1:48:21So the buy -in, you know, if you start doing a joke about some obscure skater that you liked in the 90s, you don't have sufficient background information for it to be funny. Yeah. For it to really be interesting unless it's a super accessible story, but, But yeah, that's the consistent trend. When something happens that's completely global, it's so easy for people to wrap themselves around that narrative. Yes. I mean, it's the same as the Taylor Swift. I was just gonna say that. I was just gonna say that. It's super bowl, so it's already this huge thing. Plus the biggest entertainer of our time is dating the fucking quarterback or whatever, not the quarterback, that's my homes.

1:49:01Whatever he is, Kelsey. And it's like, we're all in on this. Some people hate her, some people love that whole thing. It's fun to come back and be a country again. You combat, I didn't realize this because America's a crazy place. You combat on anything. You combat on the coin toss. You combat on whether there'd be a streaker. Did you see that guy? I saw that. Who bet that there would be a streaker and he then struck. Oh, I didn't know that was him. I think that that's the truth. Oh, that's illegal. I might have been, is it? Well, you can't fuck with the bedding like that. Trying fucking stop me.

1:49:35Okay, well I made a bunch of money on Usher because I bet he would take a shirt off and he did. And I bet you're kidding me. Yeah, I bet something else. Where did you go to bet this? I did it in the room. But there's all these websites for it. But I did it. It was like a bunch of comedians at a super bowl party and I went and I was like, I bet he'd take the shirt off one guy's like, I'll take that bet. And I bet we're doing cam like a bookie in there. It was great. But yeah, yeah, the bedding is fun. How many times it's gonna cut just Taylor's lips? Yes, whether or not someone's gonna show a Bud Light on camera.

1:50:02Right, right. All that shit. I know, I know. There's something about, I swear you could do, whether the two captains would shake hands at the start, what the order of different songs was going to be, whether there was gonna be fireworks, like in a, everything, there was nothing that's not up for betting, which is wild because in the UK sports betting is something that's completely ubiquitous. Really? It is everywhere. You can, there's basically no atreastriction, apart from you'd need to do ID on your mobile betting app. But you can bet on absolutely everything. It's not as inventive as what you guys do, but we have betting shops.

1:50:38So on the high street, there will be Corral or Corral, Bet Fred, there'll be a couple of others. And guys will just go in and they'll have sport or horse racing. But this isn't like a... We used to have that. This is OTB, after act betting, but it's kind of gone now. But you have sports bars, or sports betting bars. Yeah, this is different. Okay. Because there's no booze being served. You can't, there's no refreshments in there. It's not an enjoyable place. It's purely there. Those are addicts. For the act of, yeah, it's purely there for the act. And there'll be a fruit machine slapping thing in the corner.

1:51:12But it's not like this is dependent on state -by -state. Wow. This is just, everywhere. Are you glad you're not a gambling addict? Yeah. I mean, that is fuck, that'll fuck you up of all of the maladies that you can have. Like alcoholism and gambling, I think. you should we should all wake up every single day and be like thank God that I didn't get that one. I know I was watching uh who's not watching uh Dana White talking to Kyle and Bob Manry on their podcast that he did a couple of weeks ago and they're talking about Steve from the NELK boys and he's got this sort of gambling compulsion and uh I think Dana's got a bit of that sort of he's got a bit of the darkness in him too when it comes to gambling, he regularly bets 50 grand to hand on Blackjack.

1:51:58Oh, Jesus. And he's got to be a zillionaire. But still. Yeah, I mean, even he says that for him, that's squeaky bum time. Yeah, yeah. And he's squeaky bummed on the worst kid show of all time. Ha ha ha ha ha. Squeaky bummed time. He kind of describes this state that Steve must get in. And it sounds like it's coming from a, like I know this because I get in it. and he's like, when he's called it like rolling or something like that, when he's doing this, you have one job and the job is to get him out of that. And you can't do it this way and you can't do it that way because he's going to say that and he's going to do the whatever.

1:52:37So he's got and he's on my, I think that this is, it sounds to me like a guy who has not only been through it and wanted people to get him out of it, but it's also had to talk himself out of it too. And apparently Steve had been at this set of tables for 24 hours. I need just think, God, I'm so glad that that's not a pathology that I have. 100 % yeah, I've lost so much in gambling just with bachelor party Vegas friends. You just fuck around blackjack and I always lose. So I just like, ah, I'd rather save $500 than fuck around on this blackjack table. So I'm with you. So glad we don't have it. And do you have a thing where you're like, this is my one issue that I need to get over.

1:53:20I guess, kind of like phone use. Phone is bad. Yeah, I find myself, you know, you'll be on a plane and you'll get it out and you'll scroll. And I don't have a signal. What am I doing? I know, I do the same thing. It's embarrassing. I think human taught me this. I used to call it an addiction, but I don't think it is. I think it's a compulsion. Oh, yes. The reason is that, you know, you'll know where the apps are on your screen. Yeah. When you scroll, it's compulsive. It's a compulsive behavior that has, is, you know, reward attached to it. So it's somewhere between a, a compulsion and an addiction.

1:53:54And, uh, yeah, that, that, um, it's like a cigarette, you know, the cigarette guys on a plane, they have to pick up the pack and they kind of flip it around a little bit. They know they can't smoke. Okay. And, well, I guess they're vaping now, but like a lot of guys I know grew up smoking. And when they couldn't smoke, they would just touch the pack. And it's similar. You're not, they put it on their lip, they put it back in and it's similar to the phone. You're like, oh, there's the YouTube button. I can't see it. Can't see it. And even I'll just hit it and it'll come up as white and flowy, you know, and I'm still playing with it.

1:54:23It's, it's weird. There was an interesting study done on air hostesses or whatever they're called, as you would fly to, fly to town, thank you very much. Flying from Dubai to Paris and Dubai to New York, and they wanted to look at cravings for cigarettes. And what they presumed was that the longer time it was from takeoff the greater the craving would be. So the longer flight you should see both flights tracking at the same speed and then one should be able to satisfy the craving and the other craving should just continue to go up. What it turned out was that the longer flight had on sets of cravings that arrived way later and what it reframes around cravings for addictions are that your craving is very heavily mediated by when your next expected hit is going to be rather than when your last hit it was.

1:55:14Now, when you have like a physiological dependency, like let's say you're on heroin, you're going to know if it's been 48 hours. But with something like smoking, if you know that you've got six hours to wait until your next cigarette, right now, you're probably not going to be feeling it too much, but an hour before and 30 minutes before, it's really going to ramp up. So it was all about the next expected hit. That was what really determined and craving. God, it wasn't about how long it would be since the last one. How long it's gonna be? Yes, because that's where the dopamine comes in. They think, I can't wait until I'm get off this plane.

1:55:48I'm gonna go downstairs and I'm gonna light that motherfucker up and I'm gonna do that. Like that's what they're thinking about. Whoa, that's good. That makes sense. But to me, when I'm sitting on the runway for a minute, and I still have internet, and I really, I like gorged, you know, because you're like, I'm not gonna be gone for four hours, so I'm gonna really take it in. And then you get, I did a United Flight, you get free text. So now I'm texting people I hate, just so they can respond back. Ah, you know, because I, I'm like, oh, what text if I put off? Let me knock that out, but you're right.

1:56:21And the problem with the phone is, we all know it's harmful, it's bad for you, it fries your brain, but you need it. You go to the restaurant and go, we don't have paper menu. You go to the airplane, we need your boarding pass. You gotta pay with your phone sometimes. So like, no other drug is like that. You know, it's not like, hey, if you want to do your taxes, you got to smoke this crack pipe. You're like, no, no. You know, and the phone is such a... Because it has the balls to have a meditation app on it too. What a dirty move. I always said that's like putting a button on a gun called a safety.

1:56:54You know, like, what are you doing to me? You know, you're fucking ruining my life, and now you're gonna put a meditation app on this thing that's ruined all of our attention spans? Come on. It's evil. They got us. they got us by the balls, we can't, can't not use a phone. Yes, one of my friends has a solution, he calls, he has two phones, one's the cocaine phone and the other's the kale phone. Oh, I love this. Yeah, so he has two numbers. One has got email and messaging and social media and all of that stuff on. And then the other one has just got Uber and Kindle and Audible and. It's Pay Chiptale or whatever.

1:57:30You're basic stuff. So you can live with that one. Right. But the other one is all of the limbic hijack. That's great. We need that with wives. You know, you need like a wife who has your kids and cooks and cleans and has, you know, you know, whatever, then you need like the horror wife. The freak. The freak. Yeah. The one that you choke lady in the free. Yeah. Yeah. Lady in the freak. Yeah. That would be nice. The Mormons figured that one out. Oh, yeah. Mark Norman, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, what's the people go? What have you got? Coming up. I got all kinds of them all over the road. Markdormandcomedy .com.

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