#809 - Cory Allen - The Spiritual Pursuit Of Becoming A Braver Person

25:35I did a couple of my friends have journaled more aggressively than me and they say that they go back and read some of the stuff that they used to bother them. There's one in particular where I have a journal that I use for like big shit. It's make -ups and break -ups and about to leave country or change career or do whatever. So there's maybe like a hundred entries across my entire life. And one day I decided that the MC that wrapped over the music in the second R &B room of the Saturday club night that we ran. He told me he was leaving to go to another night in a different city, but I was adamant that this was going to be the end of the business.

26:12And because the Asian society, they only went because he was wrapping upstairs. And then if Asian soccer doesn't go, then that's gonna be the beginning of the cascade. And I'm gonna be homeless on the street. And I'm gonna have a gluten intolerance and live under a bridge. Like, you know, this huge fucking snowball, and it was, to me, salient enough to put in my fucking day one journal. Like the most important stuff that's been in there. And I'm back and I go like, what the fuck are you thinking? Like why was that of all of the things that you could have had in your mind? But for that period, it's a big, big, big deal.

26:47Yeah, it's wild how we confuse our emotional response with the intellectual material moving across the stage of our mind many times. So we have a feeling about something in our nervous system is reacting to it. And whatever mental formations, whatever thoughts may be pinging around our brain at the time, get wrapped up in the emotional reaction, and then those get supercharged with whatever it is that we're feeling. And then what happens to you happens? I think to wrap up the notion I was talking about in terms of like feeling self -conscious, you know, if you consider the fact that we all feel like we are the center of the universe, and there's this saying that goes, you know, no one's ever thinking about you, they're always thinking about themselves.

27:33Now, like to add on to that, that, and even if they are thinking about you, they're thinking about how you relate to them. You know, so they're still thinking about themselves, they're just using you as this kind of interpersonal, like, you turn. So if we think about that for a moment, it's like, hold on a second, we're all background players. Like, there is no main character. We're all background characters and that's a really freeing thing to consider. It's because if everyone is going around thinking about themselves, that means that we are, you know, even the most famous person you can think of, like, you're still thinking about how they relate to you.

28:12You know, I mean, it's not about them, it's about you, you know, it's about you. Even also, I think, even the more attention that is on somebody, the more it is about how does that person relate to me? Absolutely. And so that's a very freeing concept because it means that whichever in that bar and you're like, oh my god, everyone in here is looking at me. You go, look, we're all, no one is looking at me. No one cares. No one gives a shit that there's some dude in here, you know, trying to chat with someone for 30 seconds. It doesn't matter. It's all good. And just remembering that is a great way to, I mean, somebody here that can go like, oh, well, then, okay, now nothing matters.

28:49Everything falls apart. I'm going to turn to an analyst. But that's that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about is just turning the volume down a little bit and just easing up the pressure on yourself for relaxing or remembering that like you have some space in life you can move around you can do your thing and like you're not under the microscope and you know you know you know you know I've the spotlight syndrome on you all the time like it feels you know and the more that you start moving like that in life the more that you can start to trust that because whenever you're just like you know I'm gonna just like I start giving the fuck about all this fear that people are judging me all the time and you just kind of relax in your skin a little bit and start doing what you want to do, paying attention to what you know what you want to focus on, not what other people are focused on, and you realize that like not only does that feel good and it's true that people don't really care what you're doing, that allows you to do more of what you want to do, but then ironically, when we start moving in that way, then other people will do become interested in you, but from a positive perspective.

29:49It's a self -fulfilling prophecy in the other direction. Exactly. Exactly. What role does bravery have here? So I think that a lot of people think about bravery in terms of the world outside of them. You know, we think about it like I need to face this thing, right? There's a challenge in the landscape and I'm going to meet that challenge and overcome it. I think about bravery in terms of the other direction. I think about bravery is being able to hear what is arising inside of you, what is the thought that's coming up, what is the feeling and the intuitions coming up that you know and your gut is going to make you happy, it's going to be something that's going to become meaningful to you, that is the thing that is pulling you forward in life, not the thing that you're trying to force in life.

30:42The more you can start listening to that voice and trusting that voice as opposed to this big complicated script that we're told we should care what other people are doing. Care what other people think. Care how other people are operating. Care what other people find important. Hit all the beats of life that everyone says you're supposed to do this and you're supposed to do this and then all that stuff is total It's what make a person feel alive. What will make a person build meaning is listening to that thing inside of them and being brave enough to trust it in the face of what's going on outside of them.

31:27I think a lot of people that listen to podcasts like this one that are unreasonably reasonable and they're not crazy and they're not angry. You know, they're thoughtful, they ruminate, they consider how to do things well. They want to do things well. And I think that there is a big battle between intellect and intuition. And you know, most people, I think, need tightening up, not loosening off. Most people need to be more thoughtful. They probably need to pay a little bit more attention to things. They probably need to not react quite so quickly. But there is a specific cohort, maybe quite a large cohort of people, all of whom are listening to this podcast.

32:02that could do with actually allowing that intuition to come through a little bit more, to give a little bit more faith to the voice that's inside of them, and to not rationalize away, to not come up with a good justification. And if you're smart, then your rationalizations and your justifications are pretty well walled off. They're very well fortress and buttressed and they're strong and sturdy because you use your intellect to disregard, you know, that little voice, it's just a little bit more. Look at how powerful my intellect is. Look at all of this cognitive horse power that I can apply to this thing.

32:36Look at how well it served me when I was in university. Look at how well it served me when I'm at work. Look at how well it served me when mum got ill and I did that thing and it really, really, I didn't act for intuition there. But there's a time I think when that needs to learn to be turned off and the problem is you have evidence that in the past using your intellect made your life better and you now need to give a different, a whole other wing of thinking faith. You need to have kind of have faith in that, a degree of faith and bravery. So how do you think about this sort of tension and this balance between intellect and intuition, between the rationalization and the little voice inside of you?

33:14Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, you know, and you're talking to someone who spent their entire life in the camp that you just described, you know, or most of their life. Really, whenever I drill down into it, what I see is, first off, the intellect is just a beautiful processing machine. That's really what it is. It just processes data so wonderfully. And it is very useful, as you said. But it's not very magical. It's not very, there's not a lot of whimsy in the intellect a lot of times. And people could hear that and they could come up with criticism of that. But you know, I would say to them, you know what I'm talking about.

33:55I would hope. You know, and so like ultimately seeking balance, I think is really valuable. We want to be a full spectrum human. You want to be able to have all the intellectual power to be able to understand and larger size and strategize and all these things, but you also want to be able to feel yourself. You want to feel your life. You want to be able to feel what's coming through in your experience. And generally, people that are so high in logic and low emotion, they're very closed off to what they're feeling, right? Because like any system, these two things are sort of a shifting balance.

34:37Like you're either moving into a more intellectual and logical frame of mind or you're moving to a more emotional mind. These two things generally don't overlap in intensity because they really can't. It's sort of like being, if you were like laughing with, hysterically, it's something while being super sad at the same time, you would just look psychotic, right? Same type of thing. And so finding some balance in these two things is really important. And the, you know, the main reason to me, I think that it's important is because, and I just speak from experience on this, is that whenever you are in this intellectualizing state all the time, ultimately what happens is you isolate yourself.

35:18You isolate yourself from being able to really connect with other people, being able to connect and infill yourself and deeper things in the world because you come up with this, a self -proving system of thinking, which as you said, doesn't have a lot of flexibility, it doesn't have a lot of growth, both, and ultimately it makes it to where you don't, you know, one of the keys is it, you don't allow yourself to be vulnerable to the world, to feelings, to other people. And in that vulnerability of our emotions comes connection. And connection is a huge part of the human experience. And it took me about 40 years to really understand this and feel this.

36:04But only until we stop relying completely on hyper intellectualization, can we open up and expand and allow ourselves to connect with the people because it creates the space for us to have new information flow in, to have even new thoughts about ourselves and other people arise, to have new feelings arise, and someone who is always relying on and intellectualization is probably trying to protect themselves from feeling those things because of some negative past experience. And generally, I find that people that are hyper intellectual have had some, you know, sense of trauma from a pretty young age.

36:48And so they had to become hyper -independent or in, I'm sorry, hyper -independent and create a system in which they could not only defend themselves, but also teach themselves the world because they didn't have a parent, a father figure, something like that to teach them what they needed to learn. Then you become reliant on that. Ironically, you then make your own intellect, the father figure, the god figure, whatever symbol it needs to represent to you. Then it makes it to where you're fearful of disrespecting it, and actually not minding it because you're getting trouble by the god by this thing.

37:22And so, the ultimate to sum it up is being able to take the foot off the gas pedal a little bit and let a little space in there will allow you to be gently vulnerable to feeling, to new ways of thinking, to new ways of being in the world. And that being will create a new type of connection in your life and that connection will broaden your human experience and make you what I like to refer to as a more full spectrum human. Have you got any practices or mantras or places that you go to when you notice that happening, when you notice you pulling yourself away from feeling and intuition? Yes. What I do is, and this is just me, is I like to slow down and to sit with whatever it is that I notice I'm feeling, and I start treating it like a glass of wine or something.

38:16I just go like, okay, what notes are these? What am I, I'm smelling this, I'm tasting this, I'm getting this, and it's just gently kind of labeling what's arising without trying to judge it or shape it anything and just listening to it, you know, because like those the feelings arise, that's information. Like we have that, and if you need to process this to your logic filter here, here's something for you to run through there real quick. Like our bodies are designed with that functionality for a reason, right? Everything that's inside of us in our minds, our bodies, it's all evolved for a reason.

38:50And that's because our feeling, and then ultimately our also our intuition, is trying to tell us something, if not about us, about the world. The fact is, is that it just speaks a different language than the intellect. But when you hear the information and the wisdom in your feeling outside of the language you're used to using for your intellect, you can learn this whole other dimension of life that exists and it broadens your understanding and your awareness and ultimately it makes you a stronger and more rich and deep human being. But really the practice and stepping into that experience is recognizing whenever you're ultimately, it depends on where you're at.

39:36I would say starting at kind of the peak level, like recognizing whenever you're blocking something off. Like, we can feel, it's like saying like the soul knows, you know, but the mind doesn't, you can feel that kind of dull, weird sense of feeling in yourself and your body. Maybe it manifests in like tension in your stomach or something like that, but you can feel that in the body. And what if you recognize that, that's when a view, use your mindful awareness to slow down and just start listening and just go like, okay, what is this? I feel tension in this stomach. What is this? It's like, oh, it's, it feels like fear.

40:11It feels like insufficiency, it feels like unlovableness or something like that. I feel like, what am I feeling? And then the more that you start just noting and quickly labeling without overthinking, just intuitively labeling these notes of feelings that are arising, then they'll start to expand. And that's where you're really strong intellect comes into play. That's where you can reuse that thing that a person is cultivated of their entire life. Because now that's this superpower and you can use that to work into this other place yourself. So if you are in a conversation with someone like a partner and like that, and for example, this is a classic move, it's like, let's say you start talking about finances and things like that and you like, oh, you get closed up, you feel tension, maybe you feel a little like anxious or weird or it might, you know, might present as frustration, you know, but really that's, there's a lot more than going on.

41:06So you notice, okay, why do I feel that way every time we talk about this? We touch on this topic and you go into it and you just go, okay, what is that? What does this feel? It's like, I feel, actually, I feel anxious. I feel a little frustrated. I feel scared. I feel like I'm in trouble. Like, what are all these? And the more that you kind of sit with that and allow it to unfold and use that strong intellect processing center to sift through and be able to label and identify and track back those feelings, ultimately what will happen is you'll go, oh, I feel this way because my family struggled with money and my parents were like emotionally abusive every time that the concept of money came up.

41:49And so now I'm scared that this is going to manifest in my relationship and I'm going to have the same problems and basically have a reenactment with my partner that I had whenever I was a child. I love the idea of treating a sort of wall of un -observed feelings like a glass of wine. And you know like a musical sound, audio engineer, and you go, that's sound. You go, yeah, it's sound, but let's pick this apart. Oh, well, this sort of low rumble, this sort of this sub -base, and then, oh, there's some sort of high notes up there as well. Yet, this idea of using just giving yourself the mindfulness gap again and allowing your intellect to be the superpower that you can deconstruct this thing with, what's the trigger for the non -meditationally inducted that are listening?

42:48This thing arises and I think that this is the point that's so, it's that zero to one, It's the never talking to the girl in the bar. It's the never noticing when you actually get carried away How can people just be a little bit more deft and adept at doing that? Yeah, I would say you just start paying attention Start paying attention more to and you have to do anything and there's no real skill to learn It's just Notice where your focus is start paying attention to that and if you're in a social situation or whatever and you're hanging out and normally maybe you start talking shit or something like that and you realize like, I don't, that doesn't really feel good, I don't want to do that.

43:29Then you just kind of note it and you're like, all right, well next time you'll just pay attention and the more that you start doing that, it's kind of like your tongue going to a sore tooth in your mouth. Like it can't resist it. Your tension will start doing the same thing. So then you'll notice again the next time that you start doing that behavior and you'll be like, hmm, there it is again. You just notice while it's happening, right? So it's just, you know, labeling the thing that you want to change and then start watching for it. And then as you start watching for it, then you will slowly over time notice that there's some space around those things and that space is where you can start to take action.

44:10So it's really just paying attention more to what you're saying in the present moment, how you're acting in the present moment, noticing your reactions. And as you focus more on those things that awareness will start to expand more and more and more, you know, see that you can actually apply intentional choice making in those moments as opposed to just repeating the autopilot behaviors again and again. What have you come to believe about imposter syndrome? I think a lot of people want to live boldly, that's a desire that they want in their life to take control, to do things. What is imposter syndrome play a role here?

44:45I think that imposter syndrome, if you are in a situation where you start feeling it, it's pretty simple. It's like you wouldn't be there if you weren't good enough. People don't invite you to go, you know, to be like, hey, let's, I'm going to give you a raise and give you promotion. And then you're like, oh, God, I don't, yeah, I don't know if I can go, you know, hang with all these executives, it's like they didn't invite you by accident. Like they invite they brought you there because you belong there because you are capable, because ultimately you probably were more impressive than the people that they have.

45:20That's why they want to get you in there to try and add value. And you can just map that on to any other area in life. It's like, one of your sitting around thinking like, oh, I'm here, but I'm not good enough to hang. It's like you were invited because you were good enough, right? But if it's in a situation where you are, you've yet to enter that space. Again, I would go back to recognizing that imposter syndrome as just a narrative that's in your mind in looking for the proof. Where's the proof of this? Because our negative thoughts hate facts. They really hate facts. That's because facts shatter and you know delusion ultimately.

46:04So that's what imposes it syndrome is. It's just a delusion because it's something that hasn't happened yet. You're thinking like, oh, why don't belong here? Well, you belong where? You're not there yet, you know? So whenever you apply this notion of like, this is again just this narrative that's rising for you, you can help, you can start releasing that and then actually taking the action to move into where it is a chore to go. One of the strategies that a lot of people rely on, I think, in an effort to keep moving life forward to feel like they're happening to life is setting goals, long -term goals, medium goals, 90 -day sprints, broken down to daily actions.

46:45Where do you stand on goal setting and habits? Yeah, I think that both of those are huge. I mean, especially goal setting is really good for people because, you know, and I would see, say, setting attainable goals is really valuable because, um, you know, one of the negative thinking habits that really haunts people is not being able to thinking that they can't achieve something. So they start, they're going to try meditating, you know, and they try for five minutes and then they never try it again and they tell themselves a story like, oh, well, I guess I, I'm not someone that can meditate now where they say, I want to try and, you know, go to the gym and start working out and get better shape and they go one time and then And they're like, well, they didn't work out or whatever.

47:29I didn't have a good time. So I'm not going to go back to the gym. But really setting these attainable goals is a great way to evolve in any direction. So one, it helps you clearly define what it is that you want to achieve. And I think that that's really important. Because a lot of people have, as you said, they have a feeling that they want to live boldly. But I would say to that, well, what does that mean to you? What does that look like? What does that look like in six months? what's that look like in that year? Like how are you going to live boldly? What would that feel like? What will you need to achieve to then reach that definition of your own success?

48:03And so setting goals is really valuable because it clarifies what you're doing in life. It clarifies the direction that you're going and the path that you're making. But I think it's so important to make those goals easily attainable because you need consistency. Because everything that you want to, if you want anything that you want to achieve comes through compound interest. everything is consistency plus time equals lasting change in results. And so, for example, if you're like, I want to learn how to meditate, you don't go. And this is what most people do, is they go. They get really excited because again, the emotion influences the thinking.

48:38And so they go, all right, I'm going to go and be, I'm going to become the best meditator, I'm going to meditate two hours a day, and I'm going to be levitating before Thursday, you know. And it's like, so what happens is they go, maybe three days in a row and then they basically spend all of the energy and don't get the results that they're looking for because they never really defined the results that they thought they were looking for in the first place and then they go, oh well, I guess that's, I'll get distracted and do something else now that didn't work. That didn't give me the shortcut to whatever success I thought that I wanted.

49:06The right way to do it would be like, I'm going to start for five minutes today for, you know, let's say two weeks. And let's look at like, what is it that I want to achieve with this? I want to feel less anxiety. I want to have a clear mind, like they don't think more clearly. And I want to have, let's see, let's pick a good meditation benefits. I want to build a sleep better. So you could say, let's put those three things down, those are the goals that are moving towards and now I'll meditate for five minutes a day for two weeks and then you revisit that. You go first off, it's easy because it's only five minutes a day.

49:46So you achieve the goal, which is really important. And then you can look and see if the actions that you're taking is actually getting you to where you want because, you know, the life is such a moving target that we typically we can have, you know, an outcome that we're looking for and the week will go by and we'll complete forget what that outcome was and things will change and then we'll go, okay, what was I trying to do here? You know, so defining that's really good. But being able to get there, you'll see that you've accomplished the thing and see if what you've done has actually mature the outcome that you desired.

50:24And the really important thing about setting the agenda goals is that like we like feeling good. And so if you can do something simple for yourself that is easy to do, but do it consistently you'll keep doing it. It feels like self -trust is a big part of this. This sort of need to build momentum and to start off small. I think it's so true. People want to have the best outcomes that they can. There may be even a little bit of embarrassed or ashamed about the fact that I knew that I should have started meditating. It was in my New Year's resolutions in 2019 that I was going to start meditating.

51:06I said I was going to do it during COVID and like I didn't do it. And now I'm going to start. Oh my God. I need to catch up and how pitiful of me to have not only not started, but now to set such a low goal. I'm going to set a big goal. But there's so many places that high achievers find to castigate themselves for falling short. I think purposefully programming in something which is so difficult that the chance of you not doing it is quite high Is you basically just racking up another L before you've even stepped out under the field of play? Right right totally yeah, and a lot and in that like the setting the crazy high goal that that's kind of like a different problem You know that's more of a motivation issue.

51:50That's like And you can use that to your advantage, I would say. So like, you know, but these are macro and micro. So the micro is setting these small goals right over a long period of time. That's basically, you know, in my view, to get you into action because a lot of people are so sedentary or don't ever try it all. And so what you want to start doing is getting into a repetitive behavioral habit moving towards something. And so that's where the self belief itself trusts comes in because you're, okay, I can do a thing consistently. I can get there. And then you start to believe in yourself.

52:26So that way, wherever you go to do something else, you can go, yeah, cool. I can change my diet as well. Because now, I did, I started going to the gym three times a week. That feels good. And that's possible. So I can change my diet. And then you do that. And I, great, wait a second, I actually have some say in my life. Now I want to go do this thing. I can do that too. And you follow the same process. But if we want to talk about reaching wild and crazy heights in life, I think that that's the groundwork, these small, consistent goals that we can use to build up the strength, to build up the dedication, to build up the clarity and the self -trust, to then go for something really big.

53:05But we just follow the same process. But that setting that giant goal is basically like, once you clearly define a big thing that you want in your life. some, you know, some huge aspiration. You then, I always say like think even bigger. So it's like dream as big as you can and then dream even bigger and then try and dream even bigger. Now what's that look like? And really clearly define it for yourself. And then go, okay, let's go towards that. Let's try and do that. And what's going to happen is of course that you're probably not going to actually reach that. But by looking that high, it's going to change your mindset.

53:37So the way that you approach all the steps and trying to get there will be a lot more aggressive and ambitious and serious than you would have if you were looking at something that seemed really small. Why do you think it is that anxiety is the pervasive emotion. It's the most invoked of all of the emotions for the modern world. It's super hip, man. It's a hot new girl in school. Yeah, it is. I think our nervousness is just frazzled, man. We're fried. It's like, we have not only we have all this technological input that we're always doing with all the time. It's like, you know, we're basically like air traffic controllers.

54:17We're just dealing with these notifications like a million of them a day. And we've got notifications. We have the bits of information. Our mind is like hopping in and out of constantly. So we're looking at our phone, we're looking at our email, we're looking at like the texture of the internet. It's basically our mind just like playing chess all day, like getting in this, getting out of that, getting in this, getting out of that. And so that's just bad, you know, that's a bad diet for our brains in our nervous system. But also I think that, you know, a philosophical part of it is that like humans aren't designed to have this level of like cultural and social and self -awareness, like in terms of like everything that's going on all the time.

54:57I think that it's sort of existentially overwhelming for people. You know, it's like if whenever people, if we look back, like someone is, they have a farm or something. And of course, there's problems. There's things to think about. You know, life is never without suffering. But they were sort of just aware of their little, you know, five mile radius. And that was all they really had to worry about. But now, you know, you wake up and you look at the internet for two minutes, you're like, okay, well, in the Philippines, there was an earthquake and, you know, in Round Rock, there was a mass shooting yesterday, which unfortunately, it was real.

55:32If you, there's the tsunami coming, there's this political shit going on. There's this happening. Oh, cool. There's a new bacteria, flesh eating bacteria in Japan that's claimed three lives already, you know, better cancel my trip to Japan. Yeah. It's just like so much shit. And then you look at like the attention of social change and differences always happening too. It's like everyone's like, a lot of people struggle. I think with like, well, like, who are we? What's happening in the world? You this because everything is changing and then of course it's being manipulated by a lot of different forces out there in the world as well.

56:07So I think it's just really overwhelming for people on an existential level and it makes it difficult for them to understand how they fit into the world. Does this weird blend between short -term predictability and long -term unpredictability? I think we know what the weather's going to be tomorrow but we have no idea what the economy's going to be like in a year's time. And the reverse was true, and cestrally, we knew that really over sort of yours stuff was largely going to stay the same. We had no idea what was going to happen tomorrow. Maybe a tribe was going to come over. So you have this flipping.

56:42And I think the problem with that is we are given a sense of control, an illusion of control, because even if all hell broke loose tomorrow, I bet that Starbucks would still be open. I bet that you can still get, you know, some nightmare happens. Washington, DC gets hit with some like freak airplane accident or there's a attack of some kind. I bet that the Starbucks on South First Street is still doing whatever spice latte is available right now. So you go, okay, so I have short term predictability, but long term turmoil and this gives us the illusion, why should be able to? I don't think we ever had that previously.

57:25I think that people were a lot more open to the vicissitudes of life coming and smashing them in the face. A lot of it is expectations versus reality. If your expectation is that things are going to be, well, you know, if my Amazon Prime delivery can be done by to the hour, I know when the toilet paper is going to arrive here. Why is it that I can't X or Y or Z? Yeah, Doline. Not only you're so right about Starbucks and not only would it be, you know, open and operating, but they would have branded the disaster somehow like the post apocalyptic pumpkin. Yeah, come get it. Just three packs of cigarettes or one, you know, one pound hunk of random meat, whatever whatever you want to barter with, come on in, you know.

58:13Yeah, it's an interesting one. So you've spent a lot of time doing all manner of rejuvenation practices. What do you think that most people get wrong when it comes to designing a routine for physical and mental relaxation and rejuvenation? Yeah, I think that really getting too precious about it, man. I think that's the big thing that messes people up. is like, because again, we're living in this ecosystem where there's like, okay, what do I have to do? Okay, six AM, I have to wake up, I got to view some light and then I got to take a cold plunge and then I have to activate my heat shock proteins and I have to do this and this, like there's so much of that shot there is I think it makes it really overwhelming for people and basically they get a bit of like, there's this sort of signal to noise thing that's lost, right?

59:02And so then they go to try and create their own routine and they're like, it becomes too complicated and too difficult and then they get frustrated and then they give up, you know. So I think really just keeping it basic and doing stuff, also like looking at it again, this goes back to kind of what I was talking about earlier that I touched on the book is it's like, stop worrying so much about what all of these other people are telling you that you need to do to feel better like experiment, like figure out what works for you, what feels good to you and build your own routine out of that stuff.

59:33Because not only Does that actually get it to where you're interested in it? But then there's a sense of ownership and meaning that is built into your routine. And that means that you're actually going to be more likely to continue doing it, right? Because if you look online, you're like, okay, well, this influencer says, do these five things. This guy says these do things. This person says eat these things every day. I'll do all this stuff. It's not really an intrinsic type of motivation, you know? And I would say you should try some of that stuff and experiment with that with what's offered because there's so much incredible information out there.

1:00:06But if some of it doesn't work for you, it doesn't matter. Like just use the shit, like don't worry about it. Don't try and force it into your routine because like, no, they say I have to view sunlight at six. I'm I'm at six a .m. and 10 years. I'm fine. You know, it's like I'm thriving. You know, it's all good. It picked the shit that works for you and it speaks to you and actually that you feel results from and start calling that and building your own routine. I'm a huge fan of like of model eclecticism like and that come I would say is spiritually health wise mentally and in by that to define that is basically looking at all the information out there and then playing with it, messing with it, seeing out feels to yourself and then cherry picking the pieces from all the different schools of thought that happened to speak to you that feel good to you that means something and then create your own school, your own power through your own version of the thing.

1:01:03Parasympathetic non -monogamy. Well, you know, it is the rest of the digest system, man. So, you know, that's true. New book is out now. Where, what is something that you think people are going to gloss over in it and from the people that have read it already that you wish that they didn't? Is there something in that is a really big element where it's maybe not as flat and sexy up front, but you go, you really need to focus on this. Yeah. I think that one of my favorite things in there is I talk about this kind of magical thing that I realize and start noticing throughout my life. I wonder if people will read that section of the book and go like, oh, that's interesting, but they might not really embody it and try it.

1:01:54And I'll talk about it. And so really quickly, is I talk about this thing called portals and life. And these are these moments that I've experienced and I've noticed that have every step of the way, where there's been a big advancement for me, whether it be personally, professionally, or whatever it is, it's this weird culmination of things comes together and this opportunity starts to open and arise. And you have to be watching for it, And it will seem weird. And if you're not watching for it, you'll miss it. But every time that I've been watching for that, and I've noticed it, and I've walked through it, it has changed kind of my universe, as it were, not literally, but, you know, well, I suppose literally, but symbolically.

1:02:41And so what those are, and I go, I share like, I actually use Miles Davis, the jazz musician, as an example for all the portals that he walked through in his life, and I share some of mine. them. But really these big changes happen every time. And I look at other people and it's the same thing for them. And I love how we started this conversation. I don't know if we're recording it up, but you talked about how much you love and a Zen coins and things like that. I love those two because what are they? They are too often conflicting pieces of information intentionally. And it is by putting both of those things in your mind and reconciling them, then in the process of reconciling them, it makes you think of a third thought.

1:03:24And that third thought can only come through the computation of those two conflicting thoughts, and that's how wisdom often arises. That's why those work. That's why I love them. This happens in the same way. It's whenever there's one part of yourself that you understand to be valuable and you feel assumptions of mastery and then there's another aspect of yourself that is valuable and you have some natural mastery in, something outside of you will arise that will ask those two parts of self to join together. And you'd never considered joining those two parts of your skill set or your personality.

1:04:03But in the opportunity of the rise is when you join those two things together, it creates something new. It creates this feature within yourself that it exists before. And it opens up this whole different world of possibility for you. like it just happens again and again and again. And I think it's the same principle as the co -an. It's because four things to like cut and culture and to break through in life and in the world, they have to be new. The problem is is that people see the stuff that's out there. They try and look at the edge of their rise and they go, well, copy that and I'll try and kind of embody that.

1:04:40And that would be the thing. I'll get out there and I'll do whatever's like trending. That doesn't work because you're already late. So the thing, the new quality that's being asked to be born out of these two elements of self, it is new because it, there's not a template for it, not even within you, yet, until these things connect. So like, as a few examples, I know this sounds rather ephemeral. A few examples of this. Like, whenever I was like starting my, whatever I used to be, like a head -owned audio engineering company for years, before that I thought I was going to be a composer. And problem is that like really weird music.

1:05:18And that's not a good way to make money. Actually, it ended up being one. But at the time, it wasn't a good way to make money. And I was like, huh, well, I don't know. But then my friends that were also making music, they started saying, Hey, your music just sounds really good, man. Can you, I don't know what you're doing, but can you do that to mine? Now, but yeah, sure. Cool. Then, you know, their friends would hear their thing and they'd go, man, that's not really good. Do you think Corey, if I pay him $100, you know, would he do that for mine? And this is, you know, a resume early 20s. And I have a $100 bucks to do what I'd like doing, like hell, yeah.

1:05:53And he kind of dawned on me. This was one of those early portals was like, oh, I want to do music professionally. But my skill, my skill set of being able to make, like, produce music really well, those two things, I hadn't thought of connecting those two things and actually moving into a music career as a producer, as opposed to an artist, like holy shit. And when I realized that, and the opportunities that were sort of arising around me, I started doing them. And then that turned into this big chunk of my life. This is happened with my podcast too, where it was like these type of conversations that we're having today.

1:06:27This is just what I sit around and talk to my friends about, all this type of shit all the time. And then I was on, you know, a mutual friend of ours podcast back way back in the day, like over 10 years ago. His fans started hitting me up and being like, dude, you have to start a podcast. And I was like, huh, I was like, well, I guess I talk about, this is all I talk about my friends anyway. And I have a studio full of audio equipment and I know how to produce stuff. Maybe I should put those two things together and then boom. And it just keeps happening again and again and again. So that's one of the things that I, it's a really interesting thing.

1:07:00I hope people will read and enjoy that. and I hope they'll start looking for those kind of cosmic wings in their own life. It's like lifestyle alchemy in a way, taking individual elements and sort of spinning them up into something which is really useful. Yeah, yes, absolutely. Corrie Allen, ladies and gentlemen, Corrie, I really appreciate you, man. Let's bring this one into land. Where should people go? They want to keep up to date with everything that's going on. Yeah, thanks, man. I really appreciate you having me. People can go over to Hey Corrie Allen as my all my social handles. And if they go to BraveNewUBook .com, they can check out the book.

1:07:35And also, of course, if you want to go to my website, you want to take a look around, see what's going on there. This guy has got a meditations, there's a release into now course that you mentioned. That's just cori .shallon .com. Hell yeah, Corey, I appreciate you man. Thank you. Thank you man.