#849 - Calley Means - Is Our Food Supply Making Us Sick?

24:34COVID, it's come out very clearly. It was like four comorbidities, the average person that died at COVID had. I mean, it's almost a definitive statement you can make. if you or five metabolic biomarkers were in normal range, and that's HDL triglycerides, blood sugar, blood pressure, and waistline. If those five biomarkers that define metabolic dysfunction were in a normal range, you had an almost 0 % chance of dying of COVID no matter what age you are. So all these things are connected, and that point is obfuscated by the medical system. It's a huge problem. You mentioned that these are lots of branches on a single tree.

25:09What would be the trunk of the tree? Metabolic dysfunction. Metabolic dysfunction. Okay, so defining some terms, chronic disease, chronic inflammation, metabolic health. What are they? Chronic disease is something that will not kill you right away. It's how I define it. If you have a infection, if you have a major acute cardiac issue where you need surgery, if you have a complicated childbirth, If you have an inflamed appendix, the medical system is a miracle. That's a cute go to the medical system. So the way to think about it is if something has a chance of killing you or your child imminently, rush to the hospital, give the doctor the benefit of the doubt.

25:57Peter Atiyah, the first graph in his book, talks about acute and infectious conditions. Okay. That is 100 % that contributors, advancements, acute, acute infection to the doubling of life expectancy we always hear about. So you'll have people come on and they'll say, well, the medical system, you know, there's problems, but it's a miracle we doubled life expectancy in the past 100 years. He takes out chronic conditions, right? It's contributed nothing to life expectancy. And that's 95 % 99 % medical spending. It's all acute and infectious disease management. That's where medical miracle, if we think of a medical miracle, we're probably thinking of something that's an acute surgical or pharmaceutical intervention like antibiotics.

26:40So if something is going to kill you right away, if your child has an infection, go to the doctor. Now, acute, excuse me, with chronic, let's think about what's happening. I always take it to kids because I think it's elucidating to the rest of the adults. But high cholesterol, what happens? Oh, you gotta go on a stat. It's risky if you don't go on a stat. The kid's a little bit sad. You gotta go in an SSRI, right? The kid's a little fidgety. Gotta go in Adderall. You know, the kid has high blood sugar, right? In that form. And now the American Academy of Pediatric is saying that if a child is overweight, overweight 50 % of 12 year olds, that is ozemic.

27:18Like that's the guidelines. It's a medical guidelines. It's not weight and sea. Does this being released as a press announcement? Big press announcement from the American Academy of Pediatrics about eight months ago. The American Academy of Pediatrics, which sets the standard of care, which is is endowed by Congress to set the standard of care for pediatrics It's 90 for again, not conspiratorial just just facts is 90 % funded by the pharmaceutical industry this Danish company Nova Nordics which makes ozimpic the ninth most valuable company in the world is a huge funder of the American Academy of Pediatrics Which came out with a press release it can be Googled where it says don't wait and see wait and see is out the window emergency quick, aggressive interventions when that 12 year olds overweight is what the standard of carous.

28:02Okay, chronic inflammation. Chronic inflammation is our body's reaction to a foreign invader. Inflammation can be good, right? Inflammation is actually our body's response to something foreign in our body. It's an evolutionary, very beneficial thing. But why are we chronically inflamed? Right? We are ingesting things through our food and through our environment that we aren't evolutionarily made to have in our bodies. Our bodies for whatever reason, the majority of Americans think that there's something foreign inside us that they need to be reacting to. So you've had guests on and we talk, you know, have all these dietary debates, right?

28:45You know, is there the right, you know, human randomized control study on seed oils, on the food colorings on all these chemicals we have in our food. Now, I think there's a real place for that. But we've taken leave of our common sense a little bit, I think. Sea Doyles did not exist in this world 100 years ago. They are a highly processed, manufactured ingredient. Right? They are in our food because it's cheap and descendants of John D. Rockefeller, after finding a way to create this product, this engine lubricant, figured they could make more money by putting in the American diet as a cheaper oil.

29:23I mean, I can share a oil just the facts. That's true, but I'm yet to see any studies. And I avoid seed oils also. Right. I'm yet to see a single study that says that the consumption of seed oils as a seed oil is actually related to any negative health outcomes. You're playing on a terrible, when you start looking for the studies of whether it's the dyes in our food, of whether it's the seed oils, of whether it's the highly processed grains, sprayed with glyphosate where there's not a study in the United States definitively that's that's bad, but people that spray glyphosate in our crops need to wear hazmat suits.

29:54And it's literally a herbicide that kills any organism that it touches. You get into a situation where just within the chronic inflammation front, let's just use common sensor, which we've been completely divorced from, you know, in our medical discussion. Whatever it is, we are just by definition putting items in our body that did not exist throughout human evolutionary history. The foundation of a diet I've talked about this a lot, the three things that make up halter process food are refined sugar, which is a new invention in the past 100 years, highly processed grains, which are not grains.

30:28They're taking the fiber off. They're basically franken foods. And then seed oils, which just again, not getting into any peer -reviewed study, is a new invention. That's highly, highly processed. They have to use bleach and other things to make it. And these foods are going in our bodies among many other environmental toxins and causing our bodies to react with chronic inflammation and being a constant state of stress. Like if you get into this thing, it's getting into the same thing with the 42 specialties, it's getting the same thing of like, okay, no, no, no, no, it's not the sugar. It's this.

30:59It's not the glyphosate. It's this. That's the game we try to get podcasters talk about while working for the food industry. Like that's why we create so many studies. Like, I think it's very important of course to be evidence -based, but the purpose of studies is PR. Right. So you're saying that even if you're looking at the evidence -based community, that can only be downstream from what evidence is available, and the evidence which is available is based on the studies that have been conducted, and the studies that have been conducted are going to be incentivized or paid for or focused on by people who have incentives for that particular area to be looked at.

31:34The Atlantic magazine, when we did our testimony to the Senate with health leaders last week, ran an article calling us the Wu Wu Caucus and attacking us for not being science and evidence backed by saying glyphosate might be a problem. So the Atlantic is the billionaire owner, you know, the guy who started the Atlantic made his money from Farma and it's heavily funded by the pharmaceutical industry. Right? They used the fact that the FDA to this day says glyphosate, which is a herbicide sprayed on our crops from China often. and again, that kills every organism on site, that there's not evidence to say that that's harmful for the US diet.

32:13So you have this study saying that, you have the media prompting that, you have the people that should be kind of the referees and protectors of kids and protectors of us, the government, the media, other referees, they're actually referees for the industry that's paying them. Farma, let's not forget, right, owns the regulatory agencies, pays 75 % of the FDA as we talked about, But it's also five times more higher political donator than the oil and street by far the largest, there are the largest, literally, a pair of politicians themselves. So you have all the referees basically saying you're anti -science using the rigged scientific studies.

32:44Now, I'm not saying there shouldn't be any evidence -based work, although I would argue that if you fire every single nutrition researcher in the country, literally, you can replace it. No, I'm not joking. If you fire and cut, I'm actually not being hyperbolic. If you fire every single nutrition advisor in the country and all funding whatsoever for nutrition research and have a principle that we should lower our percentage of all to process food consumption from 70 % to 20%, it would radically just unleash human capital in this country and unleash health. Another thing we should consider doing is firing every single nutrition advisor in all funding for nutrition sites and just adopt Francis guidelines.

33:28If you want to be evidence -based, the French live six years longer. Are we lazier than the French? What did you say? You might as well insult both US Congress and the French in the six sentences. But yeah, yeah, it just the last point I'll make, this kind of a spiritual point, you know, is clearly just something wrong is happening holistically with getting detached from our farmers or soil, like natural food that we're putting in our body, we're raping the soil with our industrial agriculture, where a tomato in the United States to 70 % has 70 % lower nutrient content than a tomato growing in the United States 50 years ago.

34:11Like there's something like really bad happening with our ultra -processed food and trying to isolate like one little variable when we're just putting all this manufactured, chemicalating crap in our bodies instead of just having a higher level perspective of it, I think is playing into the system. And we don't need to isolate one variable. We need a fundamental reset of getting back to whole food as an urgent medical imperative, I think. That's an interesting framing that the problem is so multifaceted and coming from so many different directions that trying to individually snipe each one of these different.

34:43It's playing the game of the enemy. But also ineffective because for each one that you take down, there's still 50, 49, 48 that are there. And by the time that you get to 45, fight more of being added that have changed something else. So you've mentioned a couple of times you've sort of compared America specifically to other countries, to France, to Japan. What is uniquely happening in America? Is it food and drugs and the quality of the municipal water? Or is it something else? What's the comparison between Europe and Europe's food and better environment and viral and quality and environmental toxins versus everyone else?

35:23Yeah, so what are the components of metabolic health? It's multifactorial, 100%, but food is really important. Food, we 3D print ourselves and 3D print our bodies out of food. So you've got to start with food and what is happening to our food? We have a much higher percentage consumption of ultra -processed food in America as a starter. than Europe and Japan and other developed countries. We're at 70 % for kids. And again, like in you have folks on that, I really respect, come on and oh, let's not demonize any particular food. And sure, you can get into nuance. But I go back to what is ultra -process food?

35:59Ultra -process food is addiction instruments created by the cigarette industry. We all have to just understand that. So if we're gonna talk about facts, let's just understand that the cigarette industry was the largest food producer in the 1990s. Can you create that lineage for me to start? So in the 1980s, Philip Morrison, RJ Reynolds, were two of the 10 most valuable companies in the world. Cigarette addiction dopamine is really good business. So it wasn't Google and Microsoft in the 80s of the Cigarette companies. So the surgeon general, way too late, had some courage and said cigarette smoking is bad for the first time in the 1980s.

36:32So they had the largest cash piles in human history, the history of capitalism. They had high balance sheets, high cash piles. And as they saw the writing on the wall that cigarettes were declining, they started it's strategically buying food companies. So the biggest M &A deals in the 1980s, the three biggest M &A deals, when you know the 1980s Wall Street kind of all this M &A activity, the three biggest deals in human history up until 1990 were cigarette companies buying food companies. It was RJ Reynolds buying the Biscoe and then Kraft, excuse me, Philip Morris bought Kraft and US Foods, which was a bit conglomerate.

37:05Just for the people who aren't so business -pilled, what's downstream from some of those big companies, more brands that people might actually recognize? almost every single brand that we know has disaggregated from US Foods, which is like every brand week. You know, you've got those viral charts where it shows like four companies. Disney is one of those. Disney owns every show that you want. Yeah, yeah. There's these viral charts going around where it's like five companies and like it's like thousands of sub brands. This is those brand, those three companies. So they were all owned and in the 1990s by cigarette companies and RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris where they two largest food producers in the world.

37:43So this wasn't like some, you know, when you talk about don't demonize food, I'm absolutely demonizing ultra -processed food. These, this food was created by the cigarette industry literally and what happened when the cigarette industry bought these food companies, they shifted their scientists from the cigarette department, the food department. And when I say, weaponized, I'm not being conspiratorial and I'm not being hyperbolic. They put the world's highest paid scientists that they had employed at their companies and asked, how do we make this food more addictive? They're not trying to kill people, right?

38:15They're probably going home and thinking they're doing good things. They're making palatable great food. They're creating cheaper calories for lower income Americans. They're providing joy, right? They're making Dunkerous and all these fun things and cereal that's really fun. So, so, so, so, again, the plausible liability, but that's what they did. They weren't trying to make things healthy. And then what were they good at the cigarette companies? They were good at the addiction. So they did that. And then they were good at lobbying. The 1980s was way too late for the, you know, Surgeon General come out.

38:43They delayed that 20 years. They used the same playbook that they're still using today. They bought off the USDA and created the food pyramid. The food pyramid was the deadliest document I believe in American history. The thing in 1992 that said that we should have carbs and basically processed food and sugar at the base of the pyramid. And that meat was kind of this niche thing and fruits and vegetables were up here. It was carbs and processed food. And my parents and all the parents in the 90s growing, raising kids thought they were doing good things for getting their kids, you know, the crackers and low fat crap.

39:12What's the truth behind the story of how that food pyramid was created? Who did it? Why happened? The cigarette industry funded research at Harvard from the Sugar Research Council. They created the Sugar Research Council and the Sugar Research Council. They didn't even hide the name. Sounds like gay research. Yeah. Now it's like, at least they'd hide it a little bit. It's like the, you know, health, nutrition, freedom council. Now it was the Sugar Research Council. So the Sugar Research Council was the chief donor to the Harvard nutrition school. So the Harvard, the chief nutritionist at Harvard, created reports in the 1980s saying sugar doesn't cause obesity and is a key important part of a child's energy balance.

39:59And that added sugar is actually a really good thing. So the foundational research, everyone can Google this. the foundational research of the food pyramid was research from Harvard, look at the report down at the, who's funding it, the Sugar Research Council funded it. So it's like a human centipede of what goes in them. This is not complicated. I mean, I worked years later for the food industry, but we know that people, what higher level do we have than a report from Harvard? Like what higher level do we have than a report from that? I, excuse me, from the NIH. So this was something that I was interested to ask you, which is, I understand how the system can be rigged, how incentives buy in the scenes about profit motives and so on and so forth.

40:45But it seems very much that it's not simply the ultra -process foods very palatable, that there is both a top -down and swaying of the wind, but there's also a bottom -up culture of the way that people eat beyond this is simply very, very healthy, and that's one of the injections, that's one of the ways that you can bottom up rig the culture as opposed to just rigging the system through education. In correct education. Yeah, I get really sad about thinking people kind of did a cry American culture and say the Italians and the French have a better food culture. I mean, this is where I really really try to make a clear point which is that our culture is defined by our policies often.

41:32When we have completely co -opted our dietary guidelines to say ultra -process food and sugar and carbs are really good, Americans listen to that. In the 1990 to 2000, the 10 years since the food pyramid, our consumption of carbs as a percentage of our diet went up 20%. So I think we actually did have a relatively good culture in America in the 70s, 80s. Like I joke, we'd be healthier if the cigarette companies went back to making cigarettes. Like I think we were kind of a threat. You look at like, you look at like, you know, the videos from the 70s and the 60s. Like Americans were good -looking people.

42:08We were like really, really on point. I think our culture... Because everyone was smoking. It didn't have any time to eat. I mean, I don't think smoking's great, but like, you know, there was something better happening back there. We didn't have much lower rates of cancer. Like the surgeon general report was all about endorsing smoking, but like this, we got it all wrong. Like the surgeon general report came out on smoking to reduce cancer. Can't like I tweeted the graph recently. It's like eight X increase per capita in cancer in the United States. It's exploding. So hilarious. Yeah. What is a Lower income families food and health education like now?

42:47Yeah. So we have a we have a I think I think it's the most criminal, policy, and kind of dynamic in America, what we do for people in this country. And our systems that feed and then Medicaid, poor people are completely co -opted. So let's look at a lower income family. So 15 % of Americans, low income and Americans are on SNAP, food stamps, supplemental nutrition assistance program. We are the only country in the world where this nutrition program can go to sugary drinks. So 10 % of snap, 10 % of this program, which is the main source of nutrition for lower income people 15 % of the country goes to soda So I do not think coke should be banned.

43:33I think most drugs should be legal, right? I think that cigarette should be legal, right? I enjoy you know beers, you know, and drinks whatever like it should all be legal, but we subsidize we send 10 billion dollars a year from the US Treasury to soda companies from food stamps and tell moms that are depending on that program that you know this is nutritious and with that who tells the moms that it's nutritious. Well, the mom, a single mom working hard low -rank home would assume the supplement of nutrition assistance program could go to food that's not going to poison her kid. There's no nutritional value from soda.

44:08Right because you can spend. So you, I've immigrant to this country We also, massive idiot. Can you just explain what food stamps are? Yeah, it's like a car, the lower income folks get to help them buy food. Like your credit cards? Yeah. But it's only valid at certain stores. For certain invitations. For certain invitations. And that inventory is dictated by the nutrition guidelines and because the USDA nutrition guidelines, and this is all multifactorial, but the food stamp program goes by the USDA nutrition guidelines, okay, which is like the main nutrition guidelines for the country that set the standards for a lot of other government programs.

44:45Working for the food industry, okay, so the nutrition guidelines are pretty important. Okay, let's get to the nutrition advisors. The 20 people that make nutrition guidelines are outside experts from Harvard and Tufts Nutrition School in Stanford. 19 of the 20 advisors on the US Nutrition Guidelines Committee are paid for by food and or pharma companies, process food companies. So the nutrition guidelines today say that a two year old that up to 10 % their diet can be added sugar, perfectly healthy. It also just released a report saying that ultra -process food, there's no evidence that's bad for kids and a child's diet can be 93 % ultra -process food and perfectly healthy.

45:23So that goes, so if you're a mom and you're struggling to make ends meet and you have a government program where your kid has a card and you have a card and you're shopping for your family, we are allowed to have an opinion on not poisoning the American people in this country, but because the science is rigged and these companies got to the scientists, the program for lowering people is subsidizing 10 % soda and then 70 % of food stamps snap goes to ultra -processed food. So, you know, it's just crazy rules. I was recently, we're partnering with the CEO of founders of Sweet Green, which is a great company, you know, making healthy food, grass -fed steak, you know, fast.

46:02That's not available on food stamps, but McDonald's is. So you just have very, you have wild rules. calorie for calorie, you would be running behind with going to... I love me some. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I absolutely love it. But I wonder, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here, despite not eating much of this. Right. I'm trying to wonder about calorie density, ease of access to the food you're a busy mum. Do you have time from scratch? It's, you know, with the sweet potato, and now I'll get the potato peeler out and we'll throw those in with some organic olive oil or oregano can go. You know, the soda example is so perfect, because it's so evidently pointless.

46:44Right, right. It has no satiety, yeah. Yes, and when we, it's the most empty calories that you're ever, I mean, you could even do it and say, this is available for soda, but only diet soda. Yeah, you could even do that if you wanted to dial back the amount of calories. For sure, yeah. Yeah, the cheap calorie thing's interesting. And, you know, you have folks, I'm not trying to get Lane Nordham have huge respect for him, he's super rigorous, or never debate what the studies say with him. But I think there's, I'm kind of on the corruption level. And I think what the problem with ultra -process food, getting out of the calories, a calorie debate or anything with that, it's weaponized to make us want to eat more.

47:24So when you subsidize ultra -process food for lower income Americans, the point of that food, the point of the food is to hijack our biology. So you cannot, if you ever overed Eden steak or overed in broccoli. I'm kind of over. I'm not thinking about anything. Yeah. Yeah. You can't really over eat like like like I always say there's not I don't beast the epidemic or dive. He's epidemic among wild animals like like we're born with under you know, unison with the food we're supposed to be eating to to trigger our satiety. We can regulate ourselves quite nicely until it gets hang 100 percent. When ultra -process food, deliberately from tobacco scientists, is meant to hack or brains to be ultra -palatable to not produce satiety?

48:08So that's the criminal part. Cheap calories thing actually doesn't make quite so much sense. All well and good, if you take calorie per calorie compared how much it is for the sweet potato that someone's going to chop up versus how much it is for the hot pocket that somebody could throw in. Calorie for calorie, it may be cheaper for the hot pocket, but you're going to consume two three times as many calories from that that are going to be free from a lower source that are going to be more highly processed. And then when you actually run the calorie for calorie allowance, it's probably brought it back in line or maybe the sweet potato is now lower.

48:38So that's problem number one. Problem number two, I did I know that there's going to be a problem. So problem number two with subsidizing this ultra -process food for for kids and and and saying it's to perfectly healthy is and I think this is missed a little bit from the evidence -based community. And we can just use common sense, and there's increasing evidence coming up. This cheap, dead, hyper -processed food is absolutely causing issues to our cells and to our microbiome in ways we don't fully understand. Again, we're getting pounded over the head for more studies and that we're not being evidence -based on talking about the herbicides and pesticides on our food, right?

49:16Which is like, sprayed over things. It's like, do we need to wait 10 years for a peer -reviewed study to say that spraying herbicides and pesticides all over our food might be bad for their microbiome, which produces 95 % of their serotonin, regulates almost every single hormone and is completely out of the threat. To the cheap food, getting away from natural food also inevitably is putting these 10 ,000 chemicals that are allowed in our food in the United States. There's 400 in Europe. So it's actually you have to prove harm in Europe. You have to prove that they're good. Here you have to prove it's automatically - Assumption of guilt or assumption of innocence.

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51:02That's L -I -V -E -M -O -M -E -N -T -O -U -S .com slash modern wisdom. and modern wisdom. Check out. So, you know, I've been starting to talk a little bit more about this on the show. The last eight months or so has been the worst for my health in my entire life. And a big chunk of that has been gut health related. Now I know a number of friends who have got partners, Mark Manson's wife, I think, was born in Mexico. She came over here, a bunch of her other Mexican friends that ended up getting into relationships are marrying Americans, within two years, all of them have got SIBO and H. Pylori overgrowth, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

51:40And I look at this laundry list of gut dysbiosis stuff that I've had to deal with this year, that I'm still dealing with with Candida, with Roundwell, with Liver Fluke, with fucking H. Pylori with SIBO, with all of this other stuff, which then turns into chronic inflammation, then you've like, okay, well, maybe EBV's gonna be kicked off, and then what about the environment, or toxins, so on and so forth. And this two years ago, to me, would have been one of those, all right, Chris, I can see that you've gone fully American now that you're even using the talking points about the food and stuff.

52:09I'm like, look, I'm a really good case study because I was a Petri dish that had never had digestive issues ever once in the UK. Not exactly, I mean, I'm a bro. My turnover of calories is very high. I eat it stupid times. I eat too much. I have lots of protein. I do eat process foods. I've got a sweet tooth. But even that, I have the same diet. Right. Country to country. I just have a new country. So I have new constituent parts to my diet. So I understand that it might seem like I'm grilling you so far today. But the reason that I'm doing that, I think, is to hopefully try and have real firm proof to people who would have been as skeptical as I was.

52:46Meanwhile, the guy that would have been that person being super skeptical is sat here going, I'm the last six months of just being a combination of low -mood brain fog and going to bed at APM. I mean, as you're talking, right, it's just like how much more warning science we need to see. Like, I have a bunch of friends, women who joke, they go to Europe for the summer and they're boob shrink. That's like a known thing. Like, we have so much endocriner disrupting chemicals in our food that like people experience dynamics like that when they go to Europe. And the United States kids are hitting puberty years earlier than Europe.

53:25The puberty rate, the average puberty age where a woman hits puberty in the United States has gone down years in the past generation. I think that the cementicrin disrupt is that it closing big titties on early puberty. There's wild sexual dysfunction and hormone dysfunction happening to kids. I mean, look at what's happening in fertility. There's demonstrably just chemicals in our food. All you have to do is look at the testimony, Fanny Hari, she goes by food babe on Instagram. She has the most powerful graphics I've ever seen, which just make the point so politically well and so succinctly, it just shows the foods and the ingredients between the U .S.

54:06and your Apple. And they completely... This is the one that completely... That Kellogg's thing with Canada, right? Yeah, yeah. So Kellogg's makes the Canadian version of Fruit Lips in the United States. And they make the Canadian version and because these artificial dyes, which have no reason to be in foods are petroleum based are highly linked to ADD and other neurological issues for kids demonstrably are basically phased out of every single other developed country and developing countries. They color them with watermelon. They color them with carriages. Here it's petroleum based. So they make the different ingredients and then ship them across the border.

54:48So, even getting, you know, before we even get to like, you know, the ultra -process food is a shorthand for this weaponization. And I think we're not gonna get there unless we really fundamentally, not just look at like micro variables, but say what are they doing differently in Europe? In Europe isn't perfect, but like, there's more respect for food. Can we talk about Walter? Yeah, I mean, you go to the EWG database, environment working group and you can hype in your exact address and see what's in our water. I mean, I would just ask everyone to think about how competent the government is on various metrics and various services and then ask if you trust how they're making our water.

55:33I mean, it is an absolute as an absolute disaster and I think it's an urgent national pyramid, our company, true med, you know, steers, HSA dollars, we write medical notes for medical interventions that are root cause that are science -backed. And we are writing thousands of prescriptions for water filters because if you look at, you know, what's fueling ourselves, fueling our body, it's toxic food and toxic water. And, you know, if we, I want to actually tie this water point back to what you asked about a single mom or a lower income mom being up a Ford healthy food. That's not the free market at work.

56:15The fact that it's hard for low -income people not to poison themselves is a total just abdication and moral blinds about a public policy. We spend $4 .5 trillion on health care. There's nothing cheaper we could do for our budget in the United States than not poison our population. Right, that's causing dramatic economic dislocations, human capital is being decimated. 33 % of adults are now pre -diabetic. If somebody's diabetic by the time they're 30, they're going to die 15 years earlier than a normal person. We are causing devastation to our human capital and budget. The number one driver of problems I would argue in this country is that we're poisoning our population.

56:56There's nothing cheaper that we could possibly do. What our whole thrust is from a public policy standpoint is not look at, as Casey was told, as dietary interventions in food as these and water as these kind of fringe issues. Like it's an urgent medical necessity with that $4 .5 trillion we already spent on healthcare to get our water clean and to get toxins out of our food. That would just cure everything. It would be very disruptive though for the existing players in the system. What contribution do you think there is when you look at air, when we're talking about environmental toxins, I drive through Austin and I see all of these new builds properties And you guys, for some reason, decided to build your houses made out of fucking timber.

57:40And the timber's exposed to water when it rains, it's not covered over. And then the water's wet and it's hot, and it gets wet and hot, and that means that it gets moldy. And then you build a house around it, and the skeleton of the house is imbued with mold. And then the house gets cold and hot because of AC and because of heating. And then air pollution, there are lots of big heads to sort of chop off with regards to this. How big is the head of the most sort of ebony environmental toxins that area of what we're discussing? I love on drilling down to that. I would not trade living today for any other time.

58:14Modern society is amazing. But the large point we're trying to make, I think the point of this conversation is that there's a toxic stew we are living in, which is a result of our modern society and not being clear about the health benefits and how that's impacting ourselves. And I think we've really gotten away from nature. When I think about all the environmental toxins in our air, I think about how we've just disrespected crop cycles and have monocropping and how soil is, as I said, 70 % less nutrient dense. So when our personal care products in our air, I think environmentalists have really done the world of disservice.

58:51It's not about the specific measurement of carbon capture. Like our environment is being poisoned. and we're trying to outhack nature with the materials we use to build with our farming practices, with what we're putting in the air. It's becoming unsustainable. And I think what I would argue for is realizing that. And then looking at the $4 .5 trillion we spend and seeing and millerating some of these dropback to modern society as part of the healthcare budget. It's not about over regulation or having a nanny state, but it all gets to me of like, we just need clinical from the top, from the NIH, from the FDA, this is getting a little bit in the policy, but this is how my brain works.

59:39We just need to have scientific reports on why these things are happening. Everything right now, and I really mean everything, like the NIH, 90 % of funding goes to researching pharmaceutical cures, accepting all this poisoning of our cells as a given. There's no government research happening to like these issues of our mold. That's still considered pseudoscience, right? About toxins in our building supplies, about our personal control. My white blood cell count tries to disagree. Yeah. No, and I know people whose lives have been destroyed by mold. These things are all pseudoscience because, again, is it evil people?

1:00:18No, but the NIH has been totally co -opted and we're not studying these things. So to me, we need to just know the truth. And if I could snap my fingers on one policy, one of the first things I do is steer the NIH and steer all federal research grants away from R &D for marginal cures accepting, basically, throwing up our hands at the problem and really deep research on why we're getting sick. Because before we get into any policies about banning or altering how homes are made, what's in our air, if you have a report, this is what our enemies have learned. If you have a report saying sugar doesn't cause obesity or whatever it is, that's the highest level of trust.

1:01:08So we need to get conflicts out of that. And then I think that's upstream of all policy, but it's obvious that we have to get back to, this is the root cause. I put food, I put the sedentary lifestyle Americans higher, probably 70 % of Americans aren't eligible to join the military because they're so sedentary. But right below that, the toxins in our air and water is a big deal. Getting into that, didn't some health buddy recently say that people were exercising too much? You can't make it up. You had a report funded by the USDA recently in the University of Michigan saying that it was dangerous to farm in your backyard.

1:01:51You've had Time Magazine saying exercises, an example of white supremacy. You had a recent article in a major publication saying it's right wing for people to be attractive and fit. You've had government guidance saying that it's dangerous. Yeah, there was government guidance saying it's dangerous for elderly Americans to be exercising too much that might hurt their heart when really that like, as Peter and I always say, that one of the chief causes of death is frailty of our muscles, our muscles are a huge, important organ for our hormones and have to be preserved. So we're getting bizarre world advice.

1:02:27But what do the, when it comes to that, so I understand this incentives to sell food to people, this incentives for the disease to keep going? This seems the, especially the movement, the exercise sedentary nature side, This seems more upstream. This seems even more, more, more upstream, you know what I mean? What's going on there? Who are the antagonists of exercise? Well, okay, so let's just get out of the conspiracy. Just go back to the framework and we always got to go back to the framework. So what type of patient is profitable for the healthcare industry? A profitable patient is ingesting environment to toxins, is using poor hormone disrupting personal care products, is eating ultra -process food, is in fear, and not questioning the medical system and their sedentary.

1:03:12Like the most important, you know, one of the most powerful dynamics you can have to ensure that you're gonna live a more tortured life with more chronic diseases to be sedentary. So, you know, let's talk about in the book, exercise to me is kind of, it's kind of annoying. Like exercise, the fact that we have to do it is another result of our modern life. Like we didn't use tab gems and used to be super thin. Like we have incentives for a super sedentary environment, but the fact that this has them and called out that getting moving at least 180 minutes a week and your heart rate up is existential to disease prevention and reversal, you know, is a blind spot in the medical system.

1:03:53I mean, I just go to the incentives. It's like, it's not a evil body saying that, you know, we need to prevent Americans from exercising, but at Stanford med school, it's seen as a friend situation. I've talked to people at major insurers. Every insurer now has this exercise incentive. It's all window dressing. They're not actually paying out of insurance for gyms. And I've talked to insurance executives to say, yes, it is bad for us if people exercise because they're going to get healthier. So it's just like, are they being evil? No, are insurance companies incentivizing exercise? No. The healthcare system is not emphasizing this.

1:04:31And then of course it's in a small lifestyle budget. This is where, you know, Justin Merrizenai and our company, Trumed, this is like the entire point of our company is that is that it's just not clinically accurate. Like, like, like, it's a free country. People are going to make mistakes. People aren't all going to do the right thing. But if you have high cholesterol and the doctor across the table says you have a 70 % chance of getting heart disease and dying an average of eight years younger and you're not going to be able to walk your daughter done the aisle unless you exercise for a hundred and a new 80 minutes a week with some strength training.

1:05:12And here's a letter of medical says you recommending this that allows you to use insurance money to propel that exercise regimen. People will listen like that there's this whole idea that people just shrugged their shoulders and like don't want to exercise. It's like if that was the emphasis from Harvard Med School from the NIH from the FDA, that That was the clinical guideline, that was what was repeated. I look around, people listen to doctors. Most kids are vaxed on the schedule, 72 shots. People listen to the food pyramid, as I said, our diet changed. People listen to the surgeon general, smoking rates plummeted.

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1:07:01Talk to me about your thoughts on a Zampic. So a Zampic is a case study of the problems and these dynamics at work. So let me just give a quick like and just think about this is like kind of a societal like example, an example of the larger societal issue. So it attires a lot of what we talked about together. So there is an epidemic. I'm going to go to kids of childhood obesity. So 12 year olds, 50 % are overweight or obese, unprecedented. Every parent with a kid can tell you they walk in a classroom, something wrong is happening. That is not because of an ozemic deficiency, right? That, as we talked about, is that obesity epidemic is one branch on the tree that's also leading to the mental health crisis among children.

1:07:5040 % of high schoolers qualify as having a mental health disorder. You know, the diabetes, the cardiology issues, all the issues that kids are seeing all at once. This year at 2024 is the highest rate of heart disease, diabetes, obesity, autoimmune conditions, cancer, kidney disease, and almost every other chronic condition among kids this year. and adults. So, so, so the fact that's the problem. So let's just assess the problem. Okay. So that we should be asking what's the solution for that problem? The solution at some point in time needs to be that we need to reverse this metabolically destructive environment for adults and kids.

1:08:31That we need to start attacking the toxins, start attacking the food, start being bold and clear headed about that and not just continued drug the problem. We need to view the data and the science and realize that there's never been a chronic disease pharmaceutical treatment in American history that's lowered rates of the chronic disease that it's trying to treat. Stands have led to more heart disease and that form and it's led to more diabetes. SSRIs have led to more depression. Increased rates of cancer, drug to lead to more cancer. People can think about it in fact, check in the comments. I cannot - You're not saying that that's causal.

1:09:04You're saying that these - I actually am saying it's causal, because it's a moral hazard. The fact that when a kid has high cholesterol, they're told you're doing something, you're taking action, you're reversing this with the stand. The American Diabetes Association in tell 2018, when they were shamed on this, advised that if you took diabetes medication, you could eat whatever you want. They said that, the American Diabetes Association. They still, the American Diabetes Association, still doesn't definitively link sugar consumption to diabetes. So, no, I think it's very causal. I think the fact that we have been lied to in the past 40 years and that it's not, it's not like this is, this is a small, the, the stand right for the past 30 years, it's not this is like something but you need to really rigorously work on your life still habits.

1:09:57It's like, my uncle is on the stand. Oh, I'm, I'm getting my burger and it's like, it's literally sold as a tool. and ozimpyx sold as a tool. Ozimpyx not being paired with lifestyle interventions. It's being paired as the magic cure. You can go to ozimpyx right now in a couple clicks online. This is a lie to say this is. Mms has got their own version, etc. So I think it's very causal. And I think this road of seeing every one of those micro issues, even one of those branches as a siloed condition, and then, you know, drugging it with a very incremental pill has been a failure. So, ozimpic is the greatest example so far of this where it's if somebody's 300 pounds extremely diabetic, I talk a talk to a doctor about that.

1:10:45I'm concerned about the median child. I'm concerned about what to do and the median adult. I thought the median child was obese. Exactly. I'm concerned about that median child. Not not the morbidly obese diabetic LDP person, but the average child in this country is ozific the correct intervention for them because that's what's being argued. And weeks ago I went to Congress, I met with 40 members of Congress. I sat across from the person who introduced a bill to cover ozific on Medicare. That is $1 ,600 per American per month. Medicare is for elderly Americans. So 80 % of Medicare patients are eligible for ozific.

1:11:26like this bill, the second it signed will open up a floodgate where any single person that's eligible, 80 % of people overweight or be so Medicare can get this on him with one click and get it government funded. Okay. The second a drug is approved for Medicare. This is why Nova Norex is arguing so well much for the bill. It goes to Medicaid because why would somebody, why would old people be entitled to a drug, but not poor people? This is a game. So the bill puts it on Medicare because these old people need their olympic and then it immediately goes to Medicaid And then on Medicaid they're pushing on six year olds the American Academy of Pediatrics as I mentioned that saying it's good for 12 year olds They're now doing research on six years old because if the drug works for adults why not for kids?

1:12:09So given the downstream from obesity and Metabolic dysfunction there are lots of problems if olympic comes in and reduces those problems, would that not be in that positive? Is not the correct societal intervention for obesity. If, just, let's use common sense, and we're getting divorced from our common sense, I think, with the O's in big debate. If we start jabbing the majority of Americans with a lifetime injection that causes so much gut dysfunction, our body tricks itself into not, it's liquefied anorexia. It's a liquid crash diet. And those people are continuing to be sedentary and continuing to eat ultra -process crap.

1:12:50Are we going to see reduced comorbidities and improved health over the next 30 years? This is an interesting question. I guess it depends on how much weight contributes to most of the problems downstream. I mean, you dig into the drug itself. There's huge problems. The drug causes so many side effects that 50 % of people that have insurance for it go off of it within six months. Really? So the drug is gut dysfunction, right? Our gut is connected to the rest of our body, right? You've seen this, you've talked about this. The drug tricks are gut and did not mind eating. It's like you jamming GLP1, which our body produces to acute satiety.

1:13:28It's jamming like thousands and thousands times more than we're normally made to end it. So it's been approved for kids based on a 64 week study. It's a lifetime injection. You've got all these different comorbidities and side effects. I've said this, people can fact check me. By my count of Zimpyk, actually, is the most pronounced side effects of any mass drug ever approved in American history. More than 50 % of people have to stop using it due to vomiting, due to intense gastrointestinal issues. There's a black box warning for thyroid cancer, which I can tell you. It's very hard to get a black box warning.

1:14:05The FDA is totally co -opted by pharma, and that's a very, very serious warning. So if that's already on there, there's a iceberg of other... You're very skeptical of these GLP ones and what's going to come next to zepatide, retributide, all of the other... It's a free country. I think they should be available. But it is absolutely criminal and makes no sense that the largest company and most valuable company in Europe is a Denmark company That's projecting 90 % of their profits from the United States for a drug that is not the standard of care in Europe and Through a rigged system through a system they've rigged in the United States is ten times less expensive in Europe So they have rigged our system and are now the most that they passed LVMH They passed the fashion giant.

1:14:49They're the most valuable company you're up based on assuming $1 ,600 per month from Americans, from the taxpayer, to jab this shot into the average American's arm when I can't go to a playground without seeing soda bottles and ultra -process food that's subsidized by the government to get people found in the first place. This is dark. So the reason that I was particularly interested to find out your thoughts when it comes to a Zem Pick is that you know this. The dream world that you have, which is also the one that I want for America and for the family that I hope to raise here, return to Whole Foods, removal of all of the 10 ,000 down to an acceptable number of things that can preserve it, it can be in foods and stuff like that.

1:15:37There is going to be a very messy middle and between incentives, conceptual inertia, understanding availability, what's in your local target, what's in your local Walmart, what's all of this stuff, it is going to take time to reverse this behemoth. My total Bro Signs theory was, well, maybe a Zempiq is an artificial solution to an artificial problem, but that if it offers an opportunity to have a metabolic intervention when it comes to the amount of calories that are being consumed. And given that being obese and overweight is such a huge problem, I wondered whether it would be an interesting stopgap between now while the calories and the cases of the world can get in, try to change the more systemic stuff, and then we come out the other side and it's less needed.

1:16:32I hate to do this again, but I gotta dispute the premise of the question. about this taking a long time. So let's just look at why I am so passionate about this ozambic thing. It's $1 ,600 per person per month. What could you do with $1 ,600? What if you had $600 for a visa American? And as just because the American isn't paying for it out of that pocket, it's the insurance doesn't mean that the money isn't coming from somewhere. Of course. This is on track to cost the US taxpayer with one stroke of a pen, billions of dollars. So when are we going to, that's the problem. I don't care if compounding pharmacy, you know, people, you know, I think the price of it is an absolute scandal and needs to be attacked.

1:17:15It's not the free market that we pay tends to be. If you look to the production price of it is, how much it costs to make? Three dollars. Yeah. No, it's true. And then it's like, well, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to harm farm It's like we can, we can, we can deal with less farm innovation on chronic disease management. I don't, I don't see, but let's get out of any price controls. The US, it's not ideological. This is not a person issue. The US is the largest buyer of drugs in the world can have an opinion on not paying 10 times more than Germany. If I were to put one policy down on the price, it's you can charge whatever you want, but we're not paying more than Germans or the Scandinavians, because right now we're paying 10 times more for this drug.

1:17:56They are laughing at us in Norway. They are sitting there, drinking their lattes, riding their bikes and laughing at us.

1:18:08So I do want everyone to maybe have some optimism. And I think what you're saying. I've been very cataclysmic conversation. No, no, no, no, no, no, this is optimistic. This is optimistic. Because I think what you're saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Knowledge is power and this is important. You're saying, I think you're absolutely putting what everyone says is that this takes a while, but $1 ,600 per person. You can change, you've probably seen this, right? You can change your biomarkers very quickly. If you go on the eliminate and elimination diet or have curiosity with your food, what if every single obese child, right?

1:18:48That that doctor talked about our food system and talked to that child about how they start pursuing a life of curiosity about their food and putting whole food in their body and the miracle and spiritual power of food to heal ourselves and putting live food in our bodies and whole foods and that with one fourth of that $6 ,600 with a couple hundred extra dollars a month, we're going to help that mom afford whole food for her family. So I don't disagree, but the problem there is, that can be quick, snap your fingers and get doctors that have been indoctrinated for so long, the conceptual inertia, the momentum that they're having in one direction, are you going to be able to change the incentives, what the doctors expect to do when they get into a conversation, what they've been trained to do, what they've been told to do, what their colleagues do, the peers, etc.

1:19:39etc. Next essential issue, Chris. I mean, we are, I didn't disagree, but we're going to have, like mass like society.