#850 - 2.75M Q&A - Women’s Value, Loneliness & Bernie Sanders

28:24But I don't know, you're just a kid. You're made of rubber and magic and you just sort of bounce through things or at least I kind of did, even if I was unhappy. And it's only in retrospect that you can see kind of how wrong things were or how rough stuff was. The overcoming the bullying thing, I don't know, I got rid of that chip on my shoulder maybe about five years ago, that was doing things to prove other people that had doubted me or had mistreated me or bullied me or whatever. Wrong. That was something that I overcame. I think largely just through achieving lots of things that I never thought I would.

29:03After a while you have to sort of admit to yourself that the fuel you're using is toxic. And if you're still being driven by that kid in year 9, when you were 13 that called you that name or whatever, you're giving that person an awful lot of power over you, somebody that you hate or don't like. And also it's not allowing you to get to any peace, like you're never gonna be peaceful. So, yeah, childhood was, I mixed bag, I played lots of sports, I spent a lot of time on my own in solitude and, it came out of it in one piece, or at least in pieces that were together, should I say. And then in adult life, you spend some people kind of arrive all put together and then some people kind of have to put themselves back together.

29:50And I was the latter. And still largely I'm doing it. But I know, hey, here I am still going. Lorenzo Pietra Piana, 4707, fucking hell. What should you do if you realize that you're striving for success is only a compensatory mechanism for past trauma or an inferiority complex. There are a lot of people just being seen by these questions. It's a bit more somber of a mood today, both from the questions and maybe from me. I know why I am. I wonder if the questions are maybe because we're going into Christmas or autumn or something like that. People are starting to reflect on the Earth. They're feeling a little bit more melancholy.

30:35I don't know. It's, or maybe I'm getting it totally wrong and that's like an unfair assumption. What should you do if you realize that you're striving for successes on your compensatory mechanism for past trauma or an inferiority complex? I think a lot of people it is. I think many people are trying to prove to the world that they are valuable in a way that in the past they felt worthless. and the inferiority complex of if only I can become sufficiently impressive, then maybe the world will love me. Maybe if I create this grand cathedral of accomplishments and accolade and status and money, someone will pat me on the back and tell me that I'm good enough.

31:22I think maybe that's most high performers, maybe that's most successful people in the world. And that's sad. I think it's an ironic realization that many of the people that we admire the most have the least admirable internal mental states that you literally wouldn't trade the life that you think is dog shit for the one that you think is amazing. If you got to spend five minutes inside of that person's head. So what should you do if you realize that you're striving for success is only the compensatory mechanism? Well, you've seen through the first illusion, right? You understand why that motivation is there and you can continue playing that game and trying to fill internal voids with external accolades or You can try and assess why that's the case.

32:11If it was me, I would do a good bit of internal work I would maybe speak to a CBT person or do some therapy or some hypnosis I would journal and I would try and work out. Okay Why do I think that I need to be successful in order for the world to love me? Why do I need to strive in order to create this grand important thing in order to feel like I am sufficient? I need to offer the world something in order for it to love me back. Why do I feel like that needs to be the case? And is that true? Is that true? Why do I love other people? What are the reasons, like why do I choose to be around the people that I choose to be around?

32:51Is it because of their success, their striving, how impressive they are? or is it that they're funny and caring and hold space for me and a kind or gentle or reassuring or enjoyable or energizing or whatever. For the most part, I've asked myself this question too or a similar one. And for the most part, the people that I love to be around, it's got fuck -old to do with their accomplishments. Literally some of my best friends, the ones that are happy and not striving and are not looking for this success, like endlessly filling this hole like the cookie monster just eating new achievements. Look inside and work out why you think that success is something that you need to do.

33:36What are you compensating for? What are your past traumas? What's your inferiority complex? And then decide whether or not you want to actually keep trying to be successful because you're not choosing to be successful. You're being compelled to be successful. It's a compulsion and I I don't think that that's necessarily what you want to have in life. You don't want to be forced to do anything. You want to choose to do the things that you want to do. Just in, don't be, 1 -8 -48. Being a pleasure to feel as if we are a part of your journey since I found you almost two years ago, thank you. My question would be, from your perspective, what do you think the future of Britain is for younger generations growing up?

34:13And what would you suggest to be, what would be your suggestion? What would your suggestion be to someone who wants to leave for a better life. Love your man, you're a true inspiration to so many, and seeing a fellow Brit shine the way in such a fashion makes me driven for more. I cannot read today, apparently. Ah.

34:37What do I think the future of Britain is for younger generations growing up? What would be my suggestion for someone who wants to leave for a better life? I mean, if you want to leave, you got to leave. There is no way to rework that game. I tried for a very long time to impact British culture and we had a few thousand people that worked for the events company between the ages of 18 and 24, personally coached maybe a hundred, hundreds of young people. They went on to do amazing things, but unfortunately, as anybody in the UK knows, trying to find other people that are positive, positive, some have agency are interested in trying to make change to themselves and to encourage other people to make change as well.

35:29It's a rarity. So first off, realize that if you're able to grow in that country, it's a very impressive, it's like lifting a weight on Jupiter or something that it is harder than typical to break out from the mold because the tall poppy syndrome, they're cutting down and the sort of mockery that everybody encounters, or at least everybody that I know, is a big weight. It's a drag. So the future for younger generations growing up, I mean, the UK was, it had the second highest number of millionaires leaving in the world in 2024. China was number one with 15 ,000. The UK was number two with about 10 ,000.

36:13But China's population, it's basically, I think the UK is 3 % of the population of China and yet it's 66 % of the number of millionaires leaving. And China's a literal communist dictatorship. So I would love to see a change. I tried for a decade and a half to have impact on it, but I don't know. I'm yet to be proven otherwise, but hopefully I'm wrong. J Lebron777. Impressive as fuck. Thank you. Okay, question. Any dream guests you'd love to have, but feel they may slightly be out of reach for now. Any names you'd be able to drop, terms, Ryan Reynolds would adore to speak to Ryan Reynolds. I think he's super cool guy.

36:59I think he'd be really fun to talk to. Larry and Sergei from Google would be great. Zuckerberg, Bezos. He well says like really, really out of reach. I'd like to have a chat with Beyonce. I think she'd be really interesting to speak to, to work out what it's like to be that famous, or like a Taylor Swift, just in Bieber. I mean, just in Bieber at the moment, with all of this P -Ditty stuff. Speak to P -Ditty. Him and Sam Bankman Fried side by side in a jail cell. We could do a three -way conversation that would be interesting. Yeah, I don't know, man. There's so many. Just an endless list of people.

37:37Let's try to get Bernie Sanders on for ages. That was interesting, but yeah, Yeah, it'll be, we're coming up to episode 1000 and I really want to do something like phenomenal for that period, maybe 999, 1000 and 2001, just absolutely sort of break open all of the expectations. So I've set an expectation. We'll see. I'm trying to do something cool for that. Matt tell, oh, 999. You mentioned in a private video that you have tinnitus. Many of us do and it will be helpful to hear your comments on the subject and how you dealt with some of the annoyances that it brings. Yeah, I guess this is one of the reasons why I didn't bring up the health stuff before that so many people deal with challenges that it feels like another necessity for me to sort of make comments and talk about it.

38:40And the problem with that is I'm still going through it. I'm still trying to recover and like it's slow really slow and tough and then Trying to talk about your experience of dealing with a thing while you're still going through it Like I just don't want to be a Debbie downer to you guys. I don't like Feeling like I'm not on top of my game or like I'm you know talking about all of this bullshit that I'm dealing with But on the topic of tinnitus It sucks For the people that don't know, it's just like a permanent, loud ringing in your ears. It specifically happens when there's lower volume. So the reason that it happens, I want to go and see, of course, I want to go and see any a specialist.

39:20The reason that it happens is your brain, when it can't detect frequencies, it tries to fill in the gaps. Kind of like how the optical blind spot is filled in in post -processing by your brain. This is not too dissimilar, but for hearing and it just creates this quite loud buzzing noise and Especially at times when you want it to be quiet like when it's silent on a night. You're trying to go to sleep. It is awful and It's for me brought on by inflammation it's brought on by my brain not being very happy and Yeah, anybody that lives with this chronically which currently I am but like you know, pure entire life not just for nine months Fuck, like it's so bad.

40:05It's so permanent. It's it's like the hearing equivalent of chronic pain It always reminds you that you're there and the weird feedback loop is the more that you think about it the louder it gets and It reacts to cortisol, which means that if you think about it and it gets louder you get more stressed because you can hear it more Which means cortisol goes up which means it gets louder. It's vicious. So yeah, I am I'm sorry that you're dealing with that and Yeah, it's, I've never heard anybody talk about it. I've never heard anyone talk about it. And then this year, I've just been swimming in it and it sucks, so I'm sorry.

40:43Poncho Johannes, Chris Willex, what's it like being friends with Alex Holmosey? It's pretty cool, it's intermittent. Perhaps unsurprisingly, he's busy and so am I. So it really is like speed messaging memes and stuff to each other and then not speaking to each other for a month and then doing it again and then sometimes it's more frequent. These cool is a good counterbalance to feeling like a bitch and in the right doses for me he is a good influence. Zander Journey, what is the true definition of work -life balance for you. Not the guy to ask, bro, not this year. I have been so far on the work end of work -life balance much to the anger of the people around me that keep on telling me that I need to sleep or chill out more.

41:42The true meaning of it, I think, is finding a way to not just live life in service of work, that a lot of the time we do things that are relaxation because we think that it's going to allow us to then go harder when we get back to work, I'm not convinced that putting every single ounce of your identity into a single pursuit, your work, is the best way to live. I think hedging your identity across multiple things. Yeah, you care about your company or whatever, but also your friend and you're a part -time pickleball player and you like CrossFit and you're into 80s jazz and you're a father and a husband that, you know, like all of these other things as well.

42:30And I think that like the true definition of work -life balance is having enough life that you don't think about work -life balance. The ancient Greek word for work was not at the leisure as a definition, not a leisure. So work with scene is an aberration and leisure was seen as the set point. And it seems now in the modern world that this has been turned upside down. And leisure is not at work. Life is not at work. So yeah, work life balance should be that you have enough life to not have to worry about work life balance. Anti break even tell us your simple hack on body language. I am not convinced I have a hack on body language.

43:13I was told by lots of people that watch some of the vlogs that I stand very still and I reflected on that. And I think what's happened is because I spent $10 ,000 in my 20s stood on the front door of a nightclub. I got very used to standing very still with my hands three positions. Like this in front of me, like that behind me, I like this on my hips or in our hands in pockets, I guess three or four positions. And I can just stand there not moving for hours. I know a trained guard dog or something, but instead I'm looking for people's stamps on their hands or VIP bands or something like that. I have no hack for body language.

43:56I'm not even sure that it's a thing mirroring and holding masculine frame and all of that stuff. I'm sure there's better and worse ways to sit being crunched over. So I think if you're sat upright and you're looking around, that's, and you're awake, that's usually a good start. Red H H 7 F D. If you could give one piece of advice to the young version of you, what would you give? It's the same one, the same one all the time, which is feel -ass. I think a lot of my life, both now and in the past, is driven by fear.

44:37worry, anxiety, vigilance, being concerned that things are going to go wrong or that you've done wrong. This sense I've had for a long time that someone's mad at me and I don't know why. So, fearing less, I think about that would be a good place for me to start. And one of the interesting things that you realize with this question, what advice would you give a young person of you, in a version of you, is that if you ask yourself that question and you get somewhere close to an accurate answer of it, that thing that you wish that you could tell a younger version of you is almost always the single most important thing that you need to tell the current version of you.

45:25I'm yet to hear an answer where the person has totally sanitized themselves from the issue that that thing would have fixed. So think about what you would tell yourself 10 years ago and then apply it to your life right now. Yeah. CJ Wolf ST1 QI. Do you think it's humanly possible for you to get through a podcast without saying downstream. Well, definitely not now, I don't know whether I've said downstream yet so far, but now you've made me fucking say it. So I can't use this as an example. Do I say it that much? Do I say downstream all the time? I might do. Now I'm worried that I say it. Fucking every other sentence.

46:14I'm gonna try at some point soon, CJWolf, But you've thrown me a curveball by making me say it today, so not this time. Smoking groove. Does any part of you miss the nightlife scene? Do you know what it is? I've been reflecting on it more recently, and I do miss, like the memories. I miss working with the boys, building something. I miss the interplay of the team of staff that we had, you know, 10 to 20 managers that were very, very, very tight and then 200 to 300 staff every year. I loved it. I really did. And in retrospect, it's sort of one of those things where you can only realize how beautiful it was with a bit more perspective.

47:01I certainly miss working with my business partner, Darren. I mean, just a phenomenal, shrewd, like, savage of a business person who, you could drop him in like one of those, throw me to the wolves and I'll come back the leader of the pack, like throw him into any industry and he'll fix so much of the operations. So I certainly miss working with him and it is fun, but I do not miss the late nights and the drunk people and the loud music and fair play. The club promoters that keep it going into your late 30s, I mean, I salute you. Jake, are you red -pilled? If not, how many steps removed from Red Pill are you?

47:46I don't know how to answer that question. The Red Pill fucking hates me. The manosphere absolutely does not take me as one of their own. I have never identified myself as those things. I seem to sit in this amazing balance where people on the left or people that are more ardently feminist, like fourth -wave feminism, seamyism, such and as, and then people on the right or people that are red -pilled in the manosphere see me as a cuck. So I'm like, I'm ideologically spit -roasted by either side of this. I don't know. No, I don't. If red -pilled means understand evolutionary psychology and mating dynamics, yes.

48:33If it means anything else, I don't think so. Gan core, can I get a VIP for Riverside mate? People won't get this reference. I wonder how many people in the audience will get this reference? Maybe less than 1 .1 % Riverside was one of the big events that we ran for half a decade. We did maybe quarter of a million entries more, probably through that venue on a Saturday and around the VIP along with the rest of the event. So yes, you can certainly. If it's still open, I will see you there on Saturday. Sagacity, sweet science. Why don't you challenge your guests? I'm trying. I tried with Nate Silver, I tried with Shapiro, I tried really hard with Cali means.

49:23I thought that was me giving it a really, really good crack. I tried with the therapist's lady, where my mole brain doesn't want to let me remember her fucking what was she called bad therapy Abigail Sharia It's a skill set that I'm building up. I'm working hard at sitting with discomfort I did one thing that was pretty proud of on the wilderness an episode which was he was telling this story he was Getting emotional and you want to step in to stop the thing from happening you want to fix the other person and I have a Compulsion where I feel like other people's emotional state are my responsibility.

50:03So as a people call that people pleasing or what, oh you could call that just being a good person, I don't know, pathology or like charity, but sitting with the discomfort of emotion is something that I'm really learning. I learned it first from the Theo von episode that he did with Sean Strickland, which is just amazing. sitting with dad, giving him space, and then telling him what I thought, which was that I was sorry that he'd gone through it. That was, I thought that was really, I was happy that I did that and I was proud of the way it went. When it comes to pushing back against ideas and all the rest of it, I do, I think I'm trying harder, but there is always more to be done.

50:45Adam, who was your toughest guest and what would you have done differently if you'd Mr. Dawkins, great interview by the way. I mean, it feels like you're begging the question a little bit there. Dawkins wasn't an easy one. Firstly, Homeboys 80. Secondly, it's kind of disagreeable in any case. Thirdly, we basically had the same conversation the night before. So thank you for enjoying it. But that was a tough one. I prematurely blowing my load in front of 1200 Richard Dawkins fans and then 16 hours later, sitting down to be like, right, I've shown all of my cards. Do I have any more cards? Do I have anything else that I can talk about without going over the old stuff?

51:32That was a bit of a battle. Rahul, when's the next episode with Mr. Hormosi coming out? He was just on. He's been on twice this year and was twice last year. So I think he's he's he's benched. He's chilling out for the time being. Some point probably first half of an extra. He'll be back. Peyton below do. Did you have a back at plan? I was it all or nothing for the podcast. So it happened in stages that when I first started the podcast, I was still running Voodoo, my events company, I was still modeling, was I DJing? It stopped DJing. But you know, I had a lot of different things going on. I had my properties in the UK and was just like learning about me.

52:26So I was living perfectly comfortably, but then the move to America, that was all on nothing. And I never really spoke about it at the time, how much of a risk it was. I guess I never also thought about it all that much that I just knew that I was happier out here So I wanted to just go and it kind of didn't really care what I was risking. I'm so risk of us For the people out there that are just terrified of taking risks like I'm here with you But I reached whatever unbelievably high threshold. I needed in order to be able to convince me that I should Actually commit to this decision And yeah, if I'd come out here and the podcast had gone wrong, or if it does go wrong, still, it's not like I've reached escape velocity with finances or status or business, anything like that.

53:17I still need to work every single day in order to keep this thing going. And if it doesn't work, I'm going to have to go back to the UK with my tail between my legs looking like a right knob. So yeah, it was when I pulled the pin, I exited my last company, I couldn't go back, it couldn't be like, oh, hey, would you mind having me back in the company that I just left? I don't know what I would've done. I don't know what I will do if that happens. So I think it's crossed it doesn't. Check 82. Hey, Chris, I've been watching you since the beginning and I'm so proud of your accomplishments. Thank you.

53:54Can you give an update on your experience in therapy? I'm a male therapist in training and I'm a happy, positive figure in the men's space is talking about therapy. It makes my blood boil watching some amazing friends struggle through their life in their 30s and 40s and feeling so low. We have a crisis on our hands. Thank you for promoting mental health on your channel. Keep it real, bro. Thank you. I appreciate that.

54:19So I did therapy twice a week for, around about the last year, maybe. with travel and stuff about nine months. And I've actually stopped now. I've taken a little break for a while. Partly because, again, this is how it's like they're talking about the health thing. Fucking just falls out of you. The only way that you can say it is to be truthful. I need more time per week to focus on the stuff that I need to do in order to be able to recover, which is like IVs, It's sauna sessions, fucking charcoal, like tablet shower bullshit after you go in the sauna. Like, it's just, it's complex. There's a lot of shit that I need to do in order to be able to get my health back.

55:05So I had to sacrifice something, something had to break. And I was taking two hours to get to and from a therapy twice a week. So it was four hours a week at the perfect time at the end of one of my days, two of my days. So I stopped. My experience with therapy was I learned more about myself in therapy in the space of nine months than in five years of meditation. That's not to say that either are better or worse, but from a self -knowledge, self -understanding standpoint, it is phenomenal. It's like inviting somebody into your house and you've lived in this house your entire life. And they start walking around pointing out rooms that you didn't realize were there.

55:52Like, what's that door? Where does that door lead to? You go, holy fuck, like I didn't even, and you open it and there's all of this stuff in there. You go, holy shit. And then you realize that the back of the kitchen that you did know about leads to this corridor that you've just found out about, and that leads into this and everything starts to connect and make sense. And yeah, it's an iron stake of perspective, sort of stabbed through the middle of a lot of your assumptions about yourself. It's very good, but it's rough. It's not easy because you can't hide away from the things that you use bravado or momentum, self -deception, ignorance, willful ignorance, to just cover over.

56:39You can't you can't smooth things over in that way. It just there is really nowhere to hide if you're doing it right. So good, but to be used with caution would be my advice. Ben rose 2329. What's been your favorite books that you've read this year? Okay, this is an easy one. Fucking hell. So what I really enjoyed meditations for mortals by Oliver Birkman. That's his new one that just came out and I got to read that early and then he came on the show and I fucking love that man. He's so great. Meditations for mortals highly recommended. You read it once a day for four weeks. So there's like 28 small chapters and it's fantastic.

57:27So that's one. I read Seven Eaves again, which is just this outstanding sci -fi book. I went through a period where when I was feeling sad on a nighttime, I was comforting myself with check novels. So I read The Housemaid. That's actually pretty good. Andrew Michael Aides, or Alex Michael Aides book, The Silent Patient. Also really great. Good twist at the end. And I started trying to read Varity by Colleen Hoover. It's just loads of sex scenes, so I bailed out of that. But also I read that I really enjoyed. The anxious generation by Jonathan Hyte was good. Ted McKenna's spiritual enlightenment now is just so fantastic.

58:17Every time that I think about the path that you're on from an enlightenment perspective and spirituality. It's a, like the most objective look I've ever had, the least woo esoteric look at just what enlightenment is from a person who seems pretty fucking enlightened. I've read some of the stuff on night times as well that I can't remember. I'll come back to you. Nile Berry 202. Who are your favorite bodybuilders past and present? Would love to see some of the 90s early 2000s legends on the pod. Love your recent vlogs man, unbelievable work ethic. Thank you. Favorite bodybuilders, I mean Ronnie is an absolute legend.

58:57It kind of makes me sad to see him. Now you know it's this guy that used to be just this man mountain behemoth and now he's got to kind of gently walk himself from bench to leg press. It's I mean the guy still just seems so fucking positive which is amazing. Dorian, legend, he was a little bit before my time. Who else? Like, it would be interesting to see where some of the old animal athletes are, like Branch Warren. I think he, didn't he fall off a horse and heard himself? Branch Warren would be also to speak to. I know that a bunch of the guys will listen to the pod Ben Pekolsky in particular has reached out.

59:47We called to speak to him because he's pivoted. Everyone's gone in different directions, spirituality or business or something else. But yeah, that's some. Techie 8036 legend. Last time you told me about how you fixed your back problems. This time, please be kind enough to give us the detailed start to finish of how you increased your testosterone. All right, yes. I talked about this last year. I worked with Marik Health and now working with function. And they are blood testing companies. I think the first thing is that you need to work out what's going on inside of your body. So you need to get your blood done.

1:00:25You can't fix any of the people talking about just like randomly increasing their testosterone levels. And they have no idea what their testosterone is. So certainly for me, playing around with like FSH and LSH and what's your sex hormone binding globulin, you don't just get to sort of throw a one -size -fits -all hammer at the problem. You can do that and it'll probably reliably give you results, but there's lighter, more precise ways to do it. All of that being said, I'm not convinced that I'm the best person to talk about increasing testosterone because this year with all of the stuff that I've been going through, that has been a big problem.

1:01:03So I think the only reason I've held on to any good condition is because of training a lot consistently, but one of the problems that comes along with chronic inflammation and autoimmune is it's not fantastic for testosterone. Cortisol and testosterone are not friends. So this year has been again a difficult one. I don't mean to be a fucking such a Debbie downer today, but the alternative is that I just don't tell you what's been going on. And uh, yeah, I don't I don't want to do that. Geneva Arthur 877, been listening since early 2020. My number one podcast ever since. Thank you. I'm a 51 year old mum of three.

1:01:46And I've learned so much from you and your guests, which has helped me in this phase of my parenting journey with grown kids aged 16 to 23 currently. Your podcast isn't meant to be a parenting podcast, but I'm a better mother due in part to so much of what you've shared. Wow, thank you. One question, when will you finally get a golden retriever puppy? I need a dog. I feel like all of the, all my whining and all of my bitching about like things are hard and I'm tired and my brain doesn't work would basically be fixed if I had a nice little golden just here. So maybe that's the answer to all of these questions.

1:02:23That being said, I do get to hang around with a new dog called Monroe. He's beautiful and I get to see him relatively frequently at the house. So I've got a little bit. I'm slowly inching myself toward that. But given I can't look after myself right now, Puppy might be a bit of a big ask, but soon. Radicus Finch, what do you do in those times where even though you know you're doing the work and making the right choices for your future, you have that nagging sense of what if this is it for me and there is no more? What right do I have to expect anything more for myself. It's hard sometimes not to feel like will in fresh prints asking what if I never get my life together.

1:03:05Semi -related note, thought on Beto's surface as a positive metal album, it very much feels like if Modern Wisdom was a record. I mean, first off, the Beto thing is phenomenal and I, what's the new song? Attention? my god, so good. So yes, everybody should go and listen to Betooth the surface, especially the track ATTN on that. What do you do in the times when even though you're no you're working hard enough, you have this nagging sense of what if this is it for me and there is no more? I don't know man, I think expanding a time horizon here is pretty important.

1:03:48It's hard because of the people that you listen to, if you're listening to podcasts like this and reading introspective books and doing journaling and self work and all the rest of it, your comparison group is so skewed. You are comparing yourself with the smartest, most introspective, most balanced people in the world. And you're watching all of these YouTube's and podcasts and reading these books and trying these practices. And you're comparing yourself to perhaps literally the number one person in whatever this domain is that you're trying to get better in. And you're permanently going to be in their shadow.

1:04:24You have posited an ideal, and by design, you're going to begin comparing yourself to that ideal. Guess what? You're going to fall short. I think if you expand your time horizon and you start to look over months and years, rather than days and weeks, you will begin to see that what feels like no more progress us. And that this is all that there is for you, that you actually have been making consistent progress throughout that. And the alternative is stopping trying to get better. This, what I think it is very much is a fear. This fear that this might be it, that things might not get better. But one of the ways that you can guarantee that things will not get better is to stop working at them.

1:05:13There are very few problems in life that a little bit more attention won't help with. That doesn't mean work harder always. Attention can result in you actually needing to take a little bit of foot off the gas, but it's paying attention, right? And paying attention also includes expanding your time horizon and realizing, as he got, look at where I was two years ago, and look at where I am now. And you have every right to wind that things aren't coming as quickly as you would like, and that the required pace of progress that you need in order to stay motivated is not where it's at. So motivation is waning, that's fine.

1:05:56You're, that's okay. But fuck me, you've got here. Like you've done an hour and 20 minutes into listening to me, harp on about introspection and lonely chapter and health problems and you are learning things from people, not me, other people who are able to change your entire life and I really, really feel like just being less hard on yourself and not feeling the things aren't going to come your way. I'm pretty much adamant that the outcomes that you are supposed to get in life are the ones that you're going to get. And over a long enough time horizon, people usually end up getting what they deserve.

1:06:44And that, for somebody that asks these kind of questions, I think will be exactly what you want. Joe Shird, do any episodes stand out as ones that underachieved in viewership compared to the value it provided. Conversely, did any do really well that you didn't think was your best work? That's interesting. It's hard with the best work thing because I can be surprised by the performance. It's like under -achieved in viewership. Do really well that wasn't your best work. What creates viewership and best work is not the same thing. So really, really great episodes often don't do lots of plays, but that's not what drives the viewership in any case.

1:07:27So, for For instance, Tulsi Gabbard came on earlier this show and destroyed the internet, six million, seven million plays. It was pretty surprised by that. In retrospect, maybe shouldn't have been, but still kind of was. Great episode. Interesting. I thought that she was an engaging speaker. But Oliver Birkman, which is one of my top 10 episodes this year, awesome, so cool. exactly where I started this show, this sort of precise self -deprecating view of the human condition and productivity and life and what it's all about. I knew that was never going to do huge plays, but that did really well.

1:08:10It underachieved in viewership, but as far as I'm concerned, it provided all of the value that I wanted to. So yeah, the Oliver for Berkman 1, I wish I could gift that to everybody that listens. It's so fantastic. And Tulsi would be two, where I'm like, wow, that came out of nowhere. And then the Eric one, Eric's popular, but fuck me, that last episode just went to the moon. Cold, tone 5, salt, salt in you much design, any updates. I really probably should just get my act together and get this sorted. But I've said, I mean, people have been asking for this for like two and a half million subs.

1:08:49So I probably just should stop staving things off and actually get around to it. Lalo, barba 83. Have you ever considered updating a list of 100 bucks you must read? Yeah, I should do that too. That's a little bit old now. That being said, I believe in those books and I believed in those books when I wrote that list. And even if I was to update it, it's not like I would swap out all 100 because there are 100 books that you should read before you die. Maybe 30 would change or 50 would change perhaps, but there's some, like the Almanac and Neval Rehvakant's not going anywhere, essentialism by Greg McEwan's not going anywhere, red -rising's not going anywhere.

1:09:35I know, that's not a bad shout. I'll consider it. And if I can make it better and if I disagree with more than 30 percent of it, I'll consider doing it. Carpe Diem GG1HG. What would you say to a young man who was very lonely that looked up to you as an idol?

1:09:57I'm sorry that you're very lonely and I know how it feels and I hope that this show provides some solace, like a little, a no, a waces of comfort and some compatriots, even if they're virtual and on the other side of the internet. And a community of people who actually are into this stuff as well. Now, just feel, I remember from listening to, you know, Peterson 2016 or, you know, Sam Harris or whatever it is, if you're living in butt -fuck -nowhere, nobody around you that seems to be interested in the stuff that you're interested in can be a very isolating experience. And it can kind of actually be even more isolating because you know that somewhere out there, there's people that are interested in the things that you're interested in, but they're not here.

1:10:54And the fact that you know that they're there almost makes it feel like more your fault more real or something. But I'm sorry man, I hope that I get to see one of the live shows or that you find your tribe. I promise that there are people out there that are interested in the stuff that you're interested in and you're worthy of finding them. Ethan 0056. Hey Chris congrats. Love the show. How to deal with the lonely chapter and loneliness while pursuing your goals. I've been working toward my goals for the past few years, but I lost all my friends this year. I'm quite young and struggle to find meaningful friendships and relationships.

1:11:35How to find meaningful friendships and relationships while pursuing your goals and coming up really appreciate you again, congrats. I'm definitely seeing a trend here, this sort of lonely chapter, loneliness. I'm growing my friends are falling behind and not coming with me and I have to make this odd trade between wanting to change myself. I'm wanting to be accepted and there's this tension and then I feel this guilt about leaving them behind. I'm young and struggle to find meaningful relationships and friendships. Being honest dude, when you're young, meaningful friendships and relationships are hard to find.

1:12:13So don't see that as a personal curse. That is endemic. It is built into the age that you are at, which is one that's young. It takes most people a long time to actually start to really care about the meaning that they put into their friendships. And I didn't really think about that until I was 27, 28. You know, so much of it, especially with my industry was transactional, who's transient, it was friendships of fortune and convenience. So half take it as a compliment for the fact that you're young a bit of progress quickly, half take it as not a personal curse but an accepted problem that any mindful, introspective, thoughtful person has to deal with.

1:13:05And then take solace in the fact that there's so many other people, so I keep itching this fucking moustache, which needs to go. It needs to come off.

1:13:16Take solace in the fact that you're not the only person that asks this question. How many other people, three other people, five other people from, I know there's like 2000 questions every time that we do this. And then they get, they get stripped down. So many other people are dealing with this as well. So it's not just you and the challenge that you're facing is not one that only you have to go through and everybody that wants to get to the other side of it and is where you are has to go through this. You have to go through it. So go through it. Dylan Birch, congrats bro. I've listened to hundreds of hours of your podcast.

1:13:52Thank you. What's one? What's one? The number one productivity tip you can think of and if possible the scientific backing slash reasoning for it. Thanks so much. Keep it up. A scientific productivity tip is a little bit difficult. Certainly from a learning perspective, memory is repeated, recall, not repeated exposure is the best tagline. You're going to have to recall that number of times if you want to be able to learn it. But the way that the memory system works is not by seeing a thing a lot of times. So if you were to read a page once and then try and recall what was on the page. You will remember way more than if you read that page 10 times.

1:14:35It is all about repeated recall, not repeated exposure. Secondly, I guess there's a nice breakdown of procrastination. You can sort of break it out into a series of steps. Like, do I know what I need to do next? Do I know how I need to do that thing? It kind of helps you to overcome a lot of the time, at least for me, the science of procrastination seems to suggest that most of the time when you're not doing a thing, you don't know what you're supposed to do, so it's an ill -defined next step. And if you do know what to do, you don't know how to do it. So if you get over those two things, typically procrastination tends to fall away, at least for me when I'm being my gold standard self.

1:15:16John Omla, I'm really curious about when and how you're go into metal, metal core. Not to judge your book by its cover, but I wouldn't expect someone with your background in the nightclub scene to enjoy that particular genre. Also, thanks for turning me on to sleep token. I can't get enough of taking me back to Eden. Fuck yeah. That's what I'm here for. This entire podcast is me just trying to slowly get people to listen to sleep token. Yeah, I guess I've been wearing metal shirts on the show more because I can finally dress myself and decided that I was going to dress like like 14 year old me dreamed he could have dressed, which is to have a ton of different metal band t -shirts.

1:15:57I've got in, I was listening to this music when I was 13, 14, 14 -ish, 14, 15 was when I first started getting into it, and then especially throughout college and all throughout uni. I mean, I went through the full gamut from job for a cowboy to a Venge 7 fold to every time I die, to bullet for my Valentine, to attray you, and then bring me, and then sort of phased up into now what this slightly more melodic, slightly more mature sound is, the Polarisis of the world, the sleep tokens, Bill Murray, that. I know, I love it. I'm never going to stop listening to it, so I'm glad. And Polarisis album from last year highly, highly, highly recommended.

1:16:46Get it on. Xion S45, what we like as a teenager. Pretty uncool. I think pretty socially inept. Not exactly a charmer. And like not worldly, very unwirldly. Didn't really understand how the world worked at all. I really wish. I know there's no I think there's zero video of me from when I was a kid. I'm no idea why that would have even come from I really wish that I could Show the difference between then and now you know like people bring up videos of sneaker or whatever and he's 13 and They compare it with his red pill arc and his fucking islam arc Unfortunately because I was 13 like 20 years ago.

1:17:40I That wasn't around And um, pretty uncool. And spending a lot of time on my own. Carlin Sanchez. I read the red rising trilogy and the King Philo Chronicle books because you recommended them along with Tim Ferriss, I think. They were great recommendations. Fuck yeah. Got any more. At Seven Eaves. Dude, I love Seven Eaves. Read it at least three times now. I think that's fantastic. The Forgotten Highlander by Alistair Karte. Also great. That's real life nonfiction. One of my reading at the moment, Lexicon, I've got, I went through my chick novel phase earlier this year when I was feeling sad about myself.

1:18:20I can't remember the rest of the story. I don't think I've done a massive amount of reading from that side. I read a tax topia, which was pretty cool, but the red rising and king fellow chronicles are just outstanding. I read the narrow road between desires, which is the new novella that Patrick Rothfuss wrote. I tried to get into a bunch of other stuff, but I've swung and messed a few times this year with nonfiction. Josh Taft YouTube. Do you ever worry about talking about things you are not well versed in and how do you overcome that fear of saying something wrong? Well, as the first question for today highlighted, I do sometimes say things wrong, especially if my brain isn't working correctly.

1:19:10Do I worry about talking things I'm not well versed in? I think you can usually get away with that if you identify that you're not an expert. The internet doesn't have a particularly good forgiveness mechanism for people playing with ideas. And this is is Eric Weinstein's idea of an accuracy budget, that if you restrict only experts to speak on the things that they are experts in, nobody else is allowed to talk about or play around with ideas outside of their tight domain of competence or whatever. What you end up with is a situation where no one can ever play with ideas in the way that precisely sort of crossed domain learning is supposed to work.

1:19:55So I know I'm trying to, I'm purposefully trying to get out over my skis and come up with new ideas. I came up with this thing to do with a Zempik a little while ago and I really enjoyed this evolutionary psychology perspective on why thin people seem to be very critical of widespread ozempik use. and my theory was that people who were able to easily get thin reduced down the status associated with being thin previously it was something that was difficult to achieve and required willpower now it just requires an injection once a week over simplification obviously. See now I'm having a caveat everything in case I fucking put my foot in there again.

1:20:45That I thought was an interesting take. Is it right? Probably not, but I like playing with it. And I tried to caveat within that post, which was I actually used the word, bro signs theory. So talking about stuff that you're not well versed in, just state up top. Look, I've got no idea what I'm talking about. But here's a notion that you should consider. I think you can usually get away with that. How do I overcome the fear of saying something wrong? Be around people who are forgiving of your ideas. Like you want to be around people who are like, yeah, that's interesting. I think it's total bullshit.

1:21:13That's not a bad take. That's the perfect environment to be in. Quote, brainiac 2593. How to deal with the guilt of ghosting all your friends and acquaintances. I'm an introvert, but for the last 10 years tried to be more extroverted, accepting invitations to gatherings and giving much of my time and energy to help friends. Since the last six months, I've been extremely recluse from everyone as I recover from burnout and work in my business. I feel like a fake who manipulated them through a performance of kindness not through, though not malice. Yeah, that's a difficult one. Anything you necessarily need to ghost them, my advice here would be to just say, hey, I'm really working hard on my business.

1:21:56I fucking dealing with burnout. I'd love to catch up at some point in future. The fact that you're an introvert who for a full decade managed to be more extroverted and overcome it suggests to me that you have a lot of capacity and at the moment, maybe you just need a bit of time to recover. So I would just tell them, like, be truthful. Hey, I'm working on some stuff on my own. I would love to catch up, but I just need a little bit of space. I've had to do that this year. Like, it's been really bad, an hour and a half deep into this, I can talk as much as I want. I've had to do something not too dissimilar this year, although it wasn't because I made myself more extroverted.

1:22:42One of the really sort of unenjoyable challenges of some of the health stuff I've gone through is it impacts your mood and your extroversion and your bravery as well, sort of your courage to go out and do things and your desire to be around people. So I've ignored texts or not replied to texts for ages because I was embarrassed to say that I don't want to come out or can't come out or I just feel too rough or I didn't know, just I didn't want to see people, I didn't want to hang about and I wanted to still keep the show going and I want to keep this momentum and keep learning and doing all the rest of the stuff.

1:23:22And something had to give, and to be honest, this year a lot of that was social engagements and spending time with friends. So a lot of friendships have had to drop. And a lot of the time with that, I just had to say, hey man, I'd love to hang, but I'm sort of going through it at the moment. So, I'll loop back to you when things are better. And most people, everybody actually was like, fuck dude, so sorry to hear that, if there's anything you can do to help. I mean, so for the friends that I didn't get around to replying to, I'm sorry, and for the friends that Said I hope that everything gets better.

1:23:54I appreciate you and I think that your friends would say something not too dissimilar as well Nobody wants to force their friend out who's got fucking burnout and is recovering from it and is building a business Like just what to entertain them like to why roll you out like some dancing monkey those aren't friends Uh, who won, guess one. How did you deal with loneliness in school? Yeah, really... Pfff, digging into my fucking past traumas here, aren't we?

1:24:29Um... How did I deal with loneliness in school? To be honest, I just don't think I knew that I was lonely. I mean, I was. I was alone all the time. All I did was be alone. I was alone in my room playing, I was alone in the school yard, I was alone in lessons, I was alone walking home. So I played sports, which was good because sports forced you onto a team and I was good at sports, which was also great because people kind of want you around, even if you're socially kind of useless. If you're useful in a sporting environment, you're functional. People keep you around. So that was good. I guess I made myself useful.

1:25:17And I wonder whether that's a lesson that kind of followed me a little bit into adult herd, which is in order for the world to love you, you need to be useful or competent or impressive or whatever. And that goes back to one of the questions from before, which is how many people striving and success is very tied to this need for validation, this sort of compensatory mechanism. But dealt with it by not knowing that it was a problem. And yeah, I think in many ways it makes you very robust as an adult because you're so used to being on your own. You don't, oh, moving to a new country and not knowing a single person, fine.

1:26:02I got to know more people more quickly than I did for the, you know, half decade that I was in school. Yeah, it's weird. Kids are resilient, man. Like, it seems like the more that I learn about parenting styles and stuff, unless you do something really, really atrocious to your kid. For the most part, they end up coming out, like pretty fine, at least I did, after a lot of work. That's not to say, see, I'm now I'm caviating again in case I fucking get in trouble from the internet and it gets clipped. Not saying that you can neglect your child and that's an optimal way to raise them. What I am saying is that parents who are concerned about not being perfect or about their children going through difficult things, I think that they are more resilient than we all give them credit for.

1:26:47And if we look back at our own childhoods, what we realize is that we dealt with stuff that we were very, very, we wouldn't want our kids to go through and yet we came out not totally shattered into pieces, maybe just a little bit fractured. Realistic management, how do you stay grounded with all the demands of your newfound success? The grounded thing, to be honest, is pretty easy. I'm not around many people. I don't have a particularly big ego, much to the, perhaps, surprise of people that don't know me well, but no, I've never struggled with ego. I think being so self -critical, it's like it's weird.

1:27:35Low self -esteem or low confidence is a good proxy for humbleness. Like it does keep you humble. How can you ever get too big for your boots when you don't ever believe that you're worthy of the things that you've done? So it's like, it's certainly not optimal, but functionally it ends up doing not too different of a service. One of the more difficult things has been working out whether people want to be sort of in your life around you because they like you as a person or because they think I know that there's some status to be associated with hanging around with you, which even that like what am I of people, see, Muldbren.

1:28:21This entourage of people around me, I don't think that I have this, I don't know, orbiters, blast radius, paradise thing that would inflate my ego to that point. So, and also, I still work with most of the people that I did, each new member of staff. I don't think anybody's joined and left. Mormon Ben, assistant who joined four years ago, is still with us. Dean that was with me six and a half years ago still with me and each different person that comes along that I hang around with. They keep my feet on the ground, they definitely don't sort of believe any fucking hype. Only the paranoid survive 444.

1:29:02Congrats Chris, any new dating advice have you been having any luck finding a woman with similar interests and depths to their consciousness? Maybe I'm simply looking in all the wrong places. is, having any luck finding a woman with similar interests or depths to their consciousness, this is going to be a fucking hard question for me to answer, isn't it? Um, personally, not being a massive priority, uh, just trying to hold my life together this year has been a full -time job. So any new dating advice, finding a woman with similar interests and depths to their consciousness, If you are the sort of person that cares about the way that somebody else thinks, I think

1:29:51allowing yourself to not at least as a guy, allowing yourself to not be distracted by pretty goals is a really, really good idea because there are so many times where there will be a heart pretty gold that you think, wow, like, you know, maybe this is exactly perfect. And then you realize that you don't have anything in common. I'm sure that it has to be the same for girls as well. Some bloke that they go on a date with. They're like, you're really handsome. And we have nothing in common. And I am kind of losing brain cells by talking to you. You just need to cut and run from those, I think. I know that it's seductive and I know that they look pretty and I know they smell nice and I know that they like flick their hair in a cute way or whatever, but they're not for you.

1:30:40They're for someone, but they should not for you. So, um, like, have the courage of your standards in that area. Now, if you start to get yourself into the realm of, well, they need to be PhD leveler above and they need to be this BMI and they need to have this poop size and they need to be this -ed in all the rest of it. You're starting to set very high bars, but what it sounds like is that you're struggling to find similar interests, steps to consciousness. Okay, optimize for that. Don't optimize for the other stuff. If you start optimizing for the other stuff, you will sacrifice these. And maybe you'll come across a unicorn and they've got absolutely everything, but don't get distracted by pretty girls and pretty guys when you're looking for people with similar interests and deep consciousnesses.

1:31:26That's my advice. A doado, munoz, or fichial. What is the best way to manage the painful cost of being exceptional? I mean, how can you follow through with your purpose and goals, taking the necessary actions to achieve them and not doing what everyone else does when the only proof you have that you're doing the right thing is entrepreneurship and self -improvement content on YouTube. This is the other side of the Lone Chapter. So part of it is the social side and the other part of it is the uncertainty that the actions you are taking are going to lead to positive outcomes at the end of your life.

1:31:59I mean, I don't have a title for my book and the amount of people that bring up this lonely chapter thing is wild. The lonely chapter for a book kind of sounds a bit miserable, but it's definitely resonating with people. So, I don't I maybe I should do a more deep dive on it. But yes, you're doing all of this stuff, you're learning all of these fucking productivity techniques and you're watching these YouTube videos and you're listening to these podcasts and you're taking these online courses and you've got Skillshare and you've got read wise and you're doing space repetition and morning routine and you have no idea if it's going to work.

1:32:39But the thing is, no one has any idea if it's going to work. That is a painful cost of trying to do things with no promise that they're going to succeed. If you knew that it was going to work, there would be no risk in doing it because it would be certain. So everybody has to deal with this. This is the thing. This is why I used this term personal curse. It was what I wrote for myself. you're not, you haven't been given this bespoke, idiosyncratic challenge that only you have to face. This is what every person who gets from a place that they are to a place that they want to be has to go through because you need to try things with no promise that they are going to work.

1:33:24There's no confirmation of glory or success or accolade or prestige or anything on the other side. None of it at all. You're just, and it's not even like your David Goggins with broken legs running a fucking Navy Seal hell week. It's mundane, daily, just uncertainty and like ambient malaise as you're reading another book on meditation and you're sitting down with your eyes closed listening to Sam Harris tell you to fucking listen to your breath. You don't know that it's going to work, but that is the challenge. The challenge is no certainty. That's the way it is. And the painful cost of being exceptional is getting through that uncertainty.

1:34:13Munchai 941. How scared should I be of mold? Ah, yeah, okay. So this was, I guess, another element of the litany of health problems I've had this year. Much of it. Least in part was brought on by the past house that I was in, the previous studio, which why we're in a new studio, which isn't killing me, hooray. I don't want to put the shits up everybody because so many houses, especially what's called sub -tropical temperatures, will have mold. The loads of people, it's not a problem. So how scared should you be of mold? For loads of people, not at all. But for some people, for people who have a disposition for autoimmune problems or for other people who work themselves quite hard and are maybe running their immune system a little bit ragged.

1:35:06I'd get your house tested and if you are tired no matter how long you sleep and if you are dealing with brain fog and if you feel like your mood is never up no matter what you do that happiness is something that is a heavy lift naturally when it shouldn't be and it wasn't previously. I would get your house tested for mold and I would get an immune market test done. There's a number that you can get done quite easily and I would check what's going on in your blood. So for many people totally not totally not an issue if you've got mold in your house, but for Only when 9292, when you have an academic like Eric Weinstein on the pod and he's branching out in all different directions, hitting topics and concepts, you might not understand all heard of.

1:36:04Do you then go back over the interview and take a deeper dive into these things to educate yourself further? If so, how do you do it? You make a note and then take a deeper dive into reading or watching the docs. Love the show. Let's go 3 million. Thank you. I have done some of that, especially on the episode that I really want to go back over. But I usually, Eric's a good example because I have no fucking idea where he's going to go. So I can't really sort of detect it. All of a Birkman, for instance, I'll go back and listen to that, but I've done so much prep and I understand his work so well, I think, that I know where it's going to go.

1:36:40I don't really need to remind myself after I can just sort of luxuriate as it goes along. Weinstein is much more like riding a very unsafe rollercoaster car and holding on for the day of life and hoping that you don't get thrown out. So I don't take a ton of notes after the episode, remembering that doing three a week means I already need to be thinking about the next one. But I do revisit them and I do enjoy listening to guests on the show because I made this show for me. Like the whole people I want to speak to by design. So yeah.

1:37:16Ryan's spoulding. What's the underlying theme behind every interview you've done? Like, does it seem like there's a particular mindset or advice that's common in most, if not all of the interviews you've done?

1:37:31So there's two questions, I guess. The underlying theme is just how to understand yourself. That's the thing I wanted to learn when I first started this show. I didn't understand myself, I didn't understand how the world worked, and I hoped that if I spoke to enough people who did, that maybe it would help. And I think it has. The particular mindset or advice that's common in most, if not all of the interviews I've done, it does vary, but there is this sort of sense of letting go of sort of relinquishing of control, a reduction of fear. That I think is is very common across a lot of the episodes.

1:38:15People, people learning to, not fear so much about the outcomes that they're going to get in their lives at working harder. So it's this odd blend right between the two. It's this beautiful, you can do it, you can work harder. And also the outcomes that you're going to get are going to come along, no matter how much you fear or vacillate about them. So even in that there is a paradox which I think is why Continuing to go over the same kinds of topics is interesting because it each time it gives you a new perspective and gives you a way to manage The distinction and the tension between these two things Snow bear you to I will we ever see a modern wisdom cinema production episode Bernie Sanders his episode on Joe Rogan is still one of the best JRE episodes to date.

1:39:05I love Bernie On Rogan, I thought that episode was fantastic. I guess it we've tried to bring him on I would love to speak to him. I think he's super interesting. I I mean think about all of the different Things that that guy seen he has been like competitor Outcast Independent threat then like back in the tent But I would, why would really love to know, I don't know how much you can talk about this, think about the social politics internally inside of the Democratic Party. If you're a guy who basically tried to, he was the Trump of the left, right? He tried to sort of flip the, I'm aware, not specifically, but like, like, caveatting it.

1:39:53Don't get me in trouble, I promise. He tried to sort of flip the table over. He was as close to that I think as you're going to get on the left of a of a disrupter in many ways I would love to find out does he think that he was sabotaged He seemed like he had all of this momentum going in and then and then it doesn't happen and god I mean yeah, he's great. I think he's he's like a fascinating individual I would love to I'm really trying to educate myself about the best meaning parts of the left I think the ways that the left gets it wrong a so mean, especially on my side of the internet, that it's very obvious and it can sort of cause me certainly to be like hyper -sensitive to them and like, oh, there's that thing again.

1:40:36Am I right? Okay. What is the left in its absolute best light, not from lips of TikTok, not a take down from the daily wire. What is the absolute sort of best foot that they can put forward? I know. Given that people are struggling with cost of living, what does Bernie Sanders think about immigration? I have no idea. I have no idea what he thinks about immigration. It's the biggest talking point for the right. I'd love to know. So Bernie, if you're listening, two hours deep into a 2 .75 million Q &A episode, called me. Ah, Jones ES7 you are. Is sobriety still easy for you or is it the daily slash regular challenge and have temptations?

1:41:27As a fellow Brit, it's the hardest thing to kick because it's pretty much in our blood as much as betting shops harder than SIGs I reckon. Yeah, dude, I um, I wish that I could sympathize with you, but honestly I don't ever think about it. Never think about it. I did, I guess say that six months, three times, and then a thousand days once, and it just broke, I mean, two six month periods broke it, and then the thousand days just annihilated it. There's no part of me that ever feels the compulsion to have a beer. But I remember what it was like. I remember what it was like as a British young dude, 22 or 21, I was working at the AA doing outbound tele sales.

1:42:15So 20, I think it was 20 or 21, outbound tele sales. And there was a summer where I would get this Friday afternoon itch. It would be 1 p .m. 2 p .m. and there would just be this desire to have a corona. And then to go and get on it with the boys. That's how it was, it was like an itch, a gravitational pull toward a beer. And it's nothing like a dependency because I was only doing it every other week or something. I just really wanted, there was some times where it really called to me. So I promise you, if you work at it, you may need to change your friend group, you may need to go monk mode for a little while.

1:43:02I promise if you stick at it, you'll just something snaps inside of that link that you have between having a beer and having fun and sometimes having a beer can be fun, but the only way to have fun is to have a beer, that gets severed. So yeah, I hope that helps. Wow, that was a two hours. Look, I appreciate you guys listening to me start to open up about this stuff and I really think that I'll have the opportunity to hopefully teach people who are dealing with some of the health problems that I've gone through or worried about or need to learn about them. I really hope that that's something that I'm going to be able to do more of on the show.

1:43:52I appreciate you being patient because it is like I'm learning out loud in real time here trying to get things right, going to make errors, going to not be as transparent as I would like to be and then have to fucking retcon and say, hey, I've been ill for however long or whatever I've been dealing with. So thank you for your patience, thank you for your support. It's three million next. my lord, I've waffled enough, appreciate you, bye.