#857 - Ryan Long - DEI Wars, Trump's Bible & The Masculinity Vote - Modern Wisdom: Summary & Transcript

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Podcast Notes: Modern Wisdom Episode #857 - Ryan Long

Overview Host: Chris Williamson Guest: Ryan Long (comedian, writer, filmmaker) Episode Title: DEI Wars, Trump's Bible & The Masculinity Vote Episode Description: In this episode, Ryan Long discusses the current sociopolitical climate, including the backlash against Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI), absurd trends in popular culture, and the upcoming election dynamics.

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Key Themes

Backlash Against DEI
Discussion on how companies that previously embraced DEI initiatives are now rolling back their support.
Reasons include backlash from conservative sectors and a desire to avoid alienating customers.

Pop Culture Observations
Ryan shares humorous takes on bizarre trending topics, such as:
Japanese and Indian fetish porn.
Odd conspiracy theories (e.g., P Diddy).
Florida man antics as a reflection of American absurdity.

Political Landscape and Elections
Insight into the upcoming presidential election and how it feels different from previous cycles.
Discussion on the current candidates, particularly focusing on Trump and Kamala Harris.
The significance of the "masculinity vote" and how candidates appeal to different demographics.

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Key Arguments and Discussions

The Dynamics of Creativity and Hard Work

Ryan discusses the difference between Type A and Type B personalities:
Type A: Overachievers who may need to learn to relax and embrace creativity.
Type B: More laid-back individuals who need to develop discipline.

Importance of creativity in problem-solving, especially in fields like comedy where hard work alone won't lead to success.

The Role of Humor in Politics

The idea that humor can diffuse tension and make difficult topics more approachable.
Importance of knowing when to be serious and when to be humorous in political discussions.

The "Grandmother Treatment" Analogy

Ryan introduces a term he calls "grandmother treatment":
Relates to how men treat their thoughts versus how women address their own feelings.
Men tend to dismiss their inner thoughts as frivolous or unnecessary, while women often defend and rationalize their feelings more publicly.

Trends in the Entertainment Industry

Observations on how quickly trends come and go in media, particularly in comedy and superhero movies.
Discussion on the “peak-end rule” in comedy:
Audiences remember the funniest and last part of the performance, making it crucial for comedians to end strong.

Cultural Observations

Ryan discusses how both the left and right in America have their own versions of righteousness.
The concept that the cultural landscape is a constant battle between fun and seriousness.

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Key Takeaways

The current political environment is highly polarized, and humor can serve as a bridge for understanding complex issues.
Creativity often requires stepping back from hard work, especially in fields like comedy.
People often seek validation from others regarding their experiences and thoughts, indicating a desire for connection.
Trends in media evolve rapidly, and understanding these patterns can inform both business and creative strategies.

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Final Thoughts Ryan Long's insights provide a humorous yet critical perspective on the interplay between culture, politics, and the human experience. His observations on creativity, societal expectations, and the absurdities of modern life resonate with listeners navigating today's complex landscape.

For those interested in exploring these themes further, Ryan Long's work, including his podcast and upcoming tour, offers an engaging mix of comedy and commentary.

Sponsors Mentioned

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Links

[Ryan Long's YouTube Channel](https://www.youtube.com/ryanlongcomedy)
[The Boys Cast Podcast](https://www.theboyscast.com)

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0:00You know what else Chris? Yes. I probably would never do this on a podcast, but I made a couple of notes of things I'm gonna say. Oh, yeah. Well, because you're probably one of the most people that you kind of remind me of, you know, some of my like closest friends in home where it's always like trying to get to the bottom of something, you know what I mean? So I feel like I have a good, a couple of good theories that. Oh, I fucking love this, you came prepared. Yeah, also, well, we've talked about this already, but I said, your stuff that you post, a lot of times feels very much directed for me.

0:30Like I'm the exact, like, you know, I'm the one target audience. Being seen. What was one of the ones that that's happened with? Probably the most ever is, because the idea that, you know, hard work, you can't always just like hard work your way out of a problem. And I think, you know, you become so accustomed to, this is how I, you know, excel over people. And then you're like, well, everyone's talented at a certain level. And then also these problems aren't that. And then on top of that, adding creativity into that is like even worse, right? Because sometimes stand up, it's like, it almost feels silly when I'm just like, what might be the work is like, you need to just like sit there and think.

1:10You're like, you're like, there's a crazy, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, but you have to, and you're like, well, how do you rationalize all those things of like, I'm trying to work hard, but at the same time, this isn't a problem that just requires more work. I think creativity is one of these really unique domains that sits outside of... There's very few problems in life that working harder won't make a bit better. Yeah. But one of them... But you've usually, a lot of times, you've maxed that out, I guess. Yeah, you're already foot to the floor, going as hard as you can. Yeah, that's not the issue.

1:42You're not lazy, right? Yeah, so I've been trying to write this for ages, and I'll see if this makes sense to you. So I've been thinking about, you know, type A people and type B people. Yeah. So people that are sort of insecure overachievers that work too hard and then there's sort of lazy people that need to get off the couch. I've been really trying to sort of work this out. So type A problems, type B problems. I think type A people have a type B problem and type B people have a type A problem. Insecure overachievers need to learn how to chill out and relax and lazy people need to learn how to work hard and be disciplined.

2:14Given you subscribe to me, I'm going to guess you're a type A person. A kind of walking anxiety disorder harnessed for productivity, as Andrew Wilkinson says. type A people get no sympathy because they're miserable but outwardly successful person always appears to be in a much more preferential position than a type B person being lazy but on the verge of bankruptcy. Goggins and Hormosi style advice reliably makes everyone more successful in the only way that you can get judged outwardly but there aren't many issues in life which can't be solved by just working hard for a little bit so everyone just smashes it with a hammer but for a certain perhaps minority cohort of people they actually need to hear the opposite we need like a a parasympathetic goggins, a hashtag rest harder than me, and that's the creativity piece.

2:55I'd probably even go a little further than that, where if you are a type A person, you're not gonna respond to the idea of, well, you just need to be more, like you need a reason. Chill out. Yeah, you need a reason. So I think the reason is if you were like to really boil it down, it was the great ideas come from making connections between things. and you need the, and so a lot of times you're building those connections in your brain that you could now use, whereas a lot of times you're out of connection. So you're kind of, you know what I mean? So your brain, it's not just that you need to rest, it's that you need to, you know, regear your inputs and like, centralize them.

3:36Then, you know, there was kind of a, you know, in this stuff, which, again, I'm not just to keep compamating, you know, obviously we're friends, but like, whatever this is you do, I think you're one of the best at. Thank you. Whatever you've called it. You're second talking. But there's kind of like, when you're talking about the amount of connections that you can have, that's why in a lot of ways, the smartest people aren't good at creativity some ways, I think. So if you talk about, why are the best comedians in the world, not just the smartest people? Okay, for example, or the best artists a lot of times.

4:15And obviously you could say, it wall, it's because there's better options available to them and whatever, right? But still though, there's people that we probably know mutual friends, they're like, you go, there are two people and you go, this is the smarter one and this is the guy's funny year. So it's not just career wise, right? And I think the reason is, is in a lot of times it sits at like 120 to 140 IQ or probably like a lot of times top comedians are creative people and there's probably some smaller, less IQ ones. but the reason is, at a certain level, the more connections you have in your brain, you need to make shortcuts because it's exponential, right?

4:50So if you're 20 % smarter or 40 % smarter, that's actually not 40 % more connections. That's, you know, 8 ,000 times however many, maybe, and at that level of connections, it starts to, you know, multiply in a way that you're, not by millions more connections, right? What would you say to the type A person listening that wants to become more creative? like you work hard, even though it might not seem like it from the outside, even though you might seem like your sort of just... I think the first step is to understand like whether that actually is the goal. Do you think it'd be creative? Yeah, because I think some people probably you know think they want to be creative and they're like, well you actually don't.

5:26There's so much like sacrifice for that, you know what I mean? It's like sexier, but it's also less like financially and every other way rewarding in general, you know? That's interesting. I agree with you and I do think that the like hard work the creativity being sexy because it seems like I know you're a loof -free, you're an artist. You know, you're like fucking Salvador Dali with the twiling is mustache. But there's another bit, I think where everyone prays at the altar of the Goggins, the Jocco, the 430 AM, kettlebell swings and stuff. And I've never heard any of those guys talk about where they like embrace the muse from.

6:02I'm not hearing Jocco talk about like, you know, my creativity spoke down to me from above as I went for a slow walk through a meadow. Like, that's not, I'm not hearing that. So I think that there is a real place for the conversation about creativity, where does sort of artistic inspiration come from, coming up with solutions that aren't more of the same, but a genuinely novel and different to the problem that you've maybe been facing for ages. Especially when you're talking about content though, because that's the other part about is like creativity really for a lot of people that are running businesses where they're putting out tons of content.

6:38Like, you know, there's that kind of, I think James Al Jeter had like a really good point about Jim Kramer where he was kind of like, you know, and then all people joke about him being like wrong a lot and they've got the index, but he was like, he was a really good, he was really good at being, you know, a hedge fund manager and he was like one of the top guys. It's like, yeah, but, you know, Warren Buffett has three ideas a year, you know what I mean? Where it's like, if you got 10 ideas every day, it's like, well, they're not gonna be good or they're gonna be borrowed. Yep. Which is kind of, you know, I think, you know, a lot of times I'll, you know, when I'm doing standup, I'll be like, okay, let me, I'll spend, you know, maybe two full days kind of like thinking and I have a lot of systems that I'll do.

7:12I'll be like, okay, go through these words and I go through all this stuff, then I kind of, you know, whatever, right? Whatever weird systems that I have to do. And I'm like, at the end of that week, if I have like two really good ideas, that's a lot. It's so cool. And some people are like, oh, I have eight, eight, eight things to say a day. You're like, well, okay, you didn't make them up. Yes. They've been adapted by somebody else, they're straight stolen from somebody else. I mean, it's cool in any industry, I think, where you get paid for the quality of your ideas, not the volume of your ideas.

7:38So, I mean, I know that you can't just tell one joke on what kind of stage. So there is like a volume component, but really what people are looking for. I mean, how long did Rogan's last special, from special to special, it's like six years or something, right? So he does it, and obviously... Yeah, it's like a luxury position in some way. He can do what he wants, but still... I don't even just him. I mean, it's a luxury position in some ways to, yeah, because it's, I guess to some degree, I kind of have heard people say that, but you're, some of it, you're like duh. Yeah, you're obviously rather be paid for my one good idea of this.

8:10Yes, yeah, then I'm trying to get your attention. Running a bit, you're a ton of bad ones. But you're like, how do you get there? Your new special. You have to be insanely leveraged, essentially. Correct. Yeah, so what you're doing is you're looking to get paid for the quality of your ideas, not the quantity of your ideas. and also to have a really good idea give you a huge return, which is the Buffett approach. I think it's like, I don't know. I think some absurd amount of his net worth percentage wise has come from like five decisions. It's less than 10 decisions. Coca -Cola was one of them.

8:39I think Apple was another one of them. Something else, something else. And he, yeah, that's the position. But to go back to your original point then, so now in like people making content and all this stuff, like what is that? You know, the guy running the company, that's who it is. You know what I mean? Who gets paid for his one big decision? Because the other thing, you're like, well, yeah, you could, like, there doesn't exist. The only, you know, when you describe the, like, artist who kind of exists in terms of like, everyone's in a while, he pops up with one great thing. Those people are all like legacy people that are left over from like, or not left over.

9:11They're still around from a different era where it was different. You think that you need to grind more and sort of, well, there gets, there's like, maybe in movie industry through your books, there's people that kind of do that. But I don't even even need to. It's just like, it's kind of like set up that way right now. That's a really great point. Yeah, that, uh, it's just like the game's the game a little bit right now. That's such a good point. The world really is sort of rewarding the pace that people can pump stuff out at. And obviously if it's total crap, it doesn't matter. But there's people who are prolific from their volume at like an okay quality way more than people that are prolific from their quality.

9:44Yeah, yeah. Like a pretty powerful. Can you, like, 90 % be really funny? Yes. What there's another tension, obviously, between creativity and the quantity of your work, is that you need to do quite a lot of reps or publications or tweets or writings or whatever it is, drawings of your thing to be able to determine what's good and what's not. Yeah, yeah. You have to take tons of shots at goal. I mean, unless you're some savants that was just gifted to play the guitar like a, I'd know, a genius from birth or whatever. But you need to write a ton of songs in order to work out that they're not good, and then you can create something which really is good.

10:18And then you can allow the creativity to sort of, no, now it speaks through me, and I can just be Rick Rubin and like, you know, where glasses pop up, do something awesome and fuck off again. Even when you've, you know, that kind of, I was thinking about a lot in terms of like, you know, the Drake Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West and kind of rappers or musicians that have kind of been around forever, where you kind of are like, you know, they were, when you think of like a young virtuoso and why, you know, why is like a young person and generally better than an older person at music. And it was like, well, because you're kind of a collection of a culture that you were like a part of, you know, in the start, when you were in grades six or whatever, you're part of that music.

10:54So it's like, you were a part of it, right? After you're older, it's, you know, you're not gonna be very much a part of music culture. It's you're not gonna be have like, you know, you see the like intricacy of the fashion. You can kind of like study and analyze it, but you didn't like feel it. So I think, when you talk about them being virtuoso, yeah, the actual technical component, but the impact on culture component, it kind of feels like they have,

11:18you're saying like, oh, they just had it in them, but it's like, well not really, they were like, came up at a time and they like processed that in a way to spit it. And they were able to be like, part of what's happening next, but then how do they do it again? It was kind of like, they almost just watch what's happening with the new one, and then they go and sort of like pretend they're part of it. That's a really good... That's why you have it now. I have an auto tune album now, over this now. Why suppose the first album can be groundbreaking and super interesting, but by album four, are you reinventing it each time?

11:51No, it's the new people that are inventing something completely authoritative. Yeah. And then you're repurposing what comes off that. Did you see that story that I found about Kanye West when he was writing, what was it? Betrayed the throne? Enter the throne? What was his fucking big album? Something the throne. Anyway. So Kanye was writing writing and graduation? No, he was writing one of his one of his big albums and apparently Some guy went in to sit down and just watch him work in the studio and he had Mary Kate and Ashley Olson in the studio with him The fucking Mary Kate and Ashley Olson doing here can you just turn around quick to flash him went then my thermometer for what white girls like Like true story fucking wild But yeah, like even then you have this guy who's super competent and has got this sort of illustrious history and some questionable politics and he Is still out sort he's got this you know Somebody in there that acts as like a finger on the pulse of yeah, you become like a good barometer for where things are going Yes, but like you want sauce actually part of it because it's not possible Yeah, so I kind of feel like I try to have a grasp on those things, and then they become not something to because things can like piss you off Where you just you know for example like the content thing You're like what the fact that that's the way the game is or you know the fact that I feel like a lot of these things can start to Irritate you because it maybe doesn't the way you want it to be But if you then you just become agnostic to things that are just well, that's how it is well I understand that like you can start to hate the game that you're being made to play even though you sort of didn't want to do You get resentful about the fact, why is it like this?

13:32Why couldn't it be, you know, back in the fucking 80s when I could take all this time and I didn't have to create all of this stuff, I could spend fucking three weeks walking through a meadow coming up with an idea with Jocco. And I get it, but you're right. I think that working out a way to sort of, this is the price of doing business at the moment. Yeah. It's just the entry cost to being in the world at this time and look at all of the advantages where I can frictionlessly post some awesome that reaches a few million people, but on the flip side of that, I'm gonna have to be a bit of a content.

14:02And then also, if you can address it, you're like, well, how do I now react to it? You know what I mean? Yes, and call it out. I was kind of thinking about, so if you look at, there's kind of, there's different times in culture where, you know, certain times where it's like, you know, probably like five years ago, is there's a lot of things, it was hard to say things, you know what I mean? And it was very tense. And there was kind of a lot of like truths to be said that weren't part of the public discourse. And then now it's kind of like, all the stuff's been said. You know what I mean? And I was kind of thinking that if you look at what's a lot of people in culture are right now, it's following from the front, if that makes sense, where they're really like following, but if you think of like a mob of people, because to some degree, the media's being like, okay, we care about this now, we care about this now, But there's some degree it is a little organic of whether, you know, whether, you know, this group of people likes this candidate or we can't, about this, right?

15:02There is like organic directions of what, you know, movements go in. And then it's kind of about people are like, in the people that like were leaders of the last one. It's like them running around trying to catch up and act like they were leading. You know what I mean? So there's almost like people acting like they're leading groups of people. But really it just kind of went there and then they kind of run and then they get up the front. They go, yeah, we care about this now. And then you know, it's I mean, I could think of like 20 examples, but there's so many people that they're they're following from the front louder.

15:31That's a really fucking good insight that I hadn't considered. But you're right. It's a it's the exact same good example. Might be in Pride month every year where the organizations changed their flags, Mercedes and Xbox and fucking Nike or whatever changed to a Pride flag. but they only change to pride flags in countries where gender, like sexual orientation equality has already been reached. And in the Middle East where it actually needs to be, what needs to be done on it, it's still the same. There's no change made at all. So that would be an example of like following from the front where we're going to stake our claim and put the flag in the ground right here.

16:13Yeah, we're asking like we're leaders of this movement. It's already been, this has already been one. The place where it needs to be done is the place where you're like, zup. Yeah, it definitely happens a lot in that kind of, you know, that, you know, media activism space. But it all happens in everywhere. Yeah, you'll see, you know, like you'll watch the right wing movement of like, what's the thing they're all talking about now, right? And then someone will be kind of, you know, out front being like, you know, leading the flag, and you're just like, you didn't talk about this two years ago. And it's like, well, why?

16:45It's like, we didn't leave them here, but you acting like you did. The full horseshoe fucking infinity loop of the Bud Light conversation has been pretty interesting. For one. Sure. I got in so much, I got so much stick from people. When I said, all right, I get it, Dillammel Vaney should she have, he have got a fucking six pack of Bud Lights with the face on it, probably bad move from a marketing department. But really, does this mean that Bud Light is infused to its very core with progressive ideals that show that they're the anti -American Communist country, the U .O. company that you always knew they were.

17:21Is that really the case? Or is it probably just some person, some intern somewhere that I did to do one thing? And the right is always that we mustn't cancel people for one small slip -up. That seems like way too judgmental. This person didn't mean to say that. And you go, you're not extending the same luxury the same sort of charity to this other side. And then I got shipped for that. And then fucking a post -malone and Shane Gillis sponsored ship later. Everyone on the right now fucking what's his face? The guy that shot it up with the fifth. I did a pretty good job of making it come back. Well, he just fixed everything.

17:58He human centipede did everybody. And you're like, okay, so somehow everyone's asshole is in everybody else's mouth. And it just sort of loops all the way around. So stuff like that. It's like people are so prepared to even the outrage is like circular. They're prepared to be at the front of while actually being gracious with Bud Light. That's the position that we should take. How many people are still holding their feet to the final? No one. Well, yeah, there's almost like a hundred things going on at once at the Bud Light thing. Would you be right? It is a pretty good case study of everything.

18:28Because I guess there was one part where the principle... There's always kind of an argument to... are like between, hey, are we trying to win or are we trying to have principles? And those things are almost always like going against each other, you know what I mean? Like in any political movement, it's kind of like are we trying to win? Then you're like, I mean, with political movements, it's always kind of like, that's why they get sort of hijacked by cynical actors always, because there's always just a bunch of energy there. And then someone can take it and be like, like, well, I have some goal here.

19:04And then I guess, so I don't think anyone was specifically outraged with Bud Light as much as they're like, well, here's the poster child. Yes. And then I think there's like a rationalization where you can say where, well, they aren't gonna realize what it's like unless we do it back to them. And you know, that can go on forever, but. Yes. Yeah, I asked, uh. But you go, you're not, you're not a political actor. Like you're not running for office, you're not running a political movement. So you're like, why do I have to pretend I care? Yes. Well, I asked. And you're, you're no, sorry to drive together.

19:32You're your normal body. It's one thing you go, I get your thing. You have a whole channel like telling people how to vote or whatever, but you're normal person being like, don't you don't get sucked in? Yeah. You don't need to be complicit as a normal dude on the street. You have enough stuff to worry about. There's a fuck yeah. Don't get sucked into their bullshit. There's a hurricane outside. I asked Jeremy Boring, who's the CEO of Daily Wire and I asked Shapiro this as well. And it's like, maybe similar to your leading following from the front thing. It's like a lot of what the platform of right wing sort of commentary has been over the last six years, seven years or so has very much been anti -woke and that Discurted it's been like reactionary.

20:10Here is a crazy new flag that's got 55 different colors and here is a person that got Jailed for bird scootering over a crosswalk that was put down with the pride flag on it and all the rest of it that very much was the position. But I think you're right over the last five years ago. Also, the things that you couldn't say, largely now most people are saying, most people, I think, were past peak woke, were very... Yeah, yeah, that stuff's... That's kind of gone, but I was like, okay, so given that you guys have made so much of your platform off the back of this, are you worried that when most people probably agree with this decision?

20:47I think they'll always be a space for just being like a meat and potatoes, conservative commentator. You know what I mean? I think you look at some of those guys where you're just like, look at what's that guy been, you know, what, I don't know, like what's the guy's like, I don't know, I think not him, but like the Rush Limba, the Glenn Betts, the world, you're like, oh yeah, remember that guy? You're like, remember that guy? He got four million viewers every morning. That's seven hours. Yeah. Over the span of about a year, I tried pretty much every green string that I could find to try and work out which one was best.

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22:24Too gay or not gay enough. Yeah, there was a pretty good rip there where companies were having a hard time finding the perfect amount of gay to be.

22:35I've found on that I did a little bit of research. Toyota won't sponsor pride events following backlash from an anti -woke mob. So pink news, which I think is like a gay website. In a memo sent to 50 ,000 US employees and more than 1 ,500 dealerships, the company said the decision follows a highly politicized discussion around business commitments to DEI, not sporting festivals and parades, it's called Bloomberg, they're not participating in some other stuff and DEI and all of that. They're stopping all of that anyway. So I did a bit more digging and it turns out that there's a lot of companies that are sort of quietly rolling back their DEI efforts.

23:10and pink news has a big problem with this. But I can't imagine pink news loves it. The choice of companies that they were getting outraged about rolling back their DEI efforts, this is the best list. So this is the list of not gay enough? Yeah, this is the list of not, was too gay for their customers. Now not gay enough for pink news, but they've highlighted that they could have done it and they're in real shit. Okay, so this is the list of companies who have rolled back their DEI efforts because of right wing pressure and are not providing an inclusive working environment. John Deere, the tractor manufacturer.

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23:47I remember the J .S .A .L .A .D. John Deere Hasselbuzzle. Jack Daniels, Harley Davidson, Ford, Lowe's, Moulson Cours, and Stanley Blackendeka. I'm like, you couldn't have picked a list of less gay companies to be angry about the fact. I think Harley Davidson was actually doing some stuff. What were they doing? I don't know exactly, but I think they were just, a lot of it is kind of that there was a moment where, if you look at it like stocks, right? There was a moment where there was like an arbitrage opportunity where a lot of these companies were like, you know, we can make money by paying or into this bullshit, it's an easy way to get clicks.

24:29The problem is if you stay in those waters for too long, before you know it, you have actual people in your company that believe it. Where it's like, you know, at the top, you're just like, oh, this is, yeah, okay, this is what you do to get pressed or whatever, and they probably don't give two shits. And then, yeah, but if you're in that for four years, you have turnover, now it's like, now you have 35 % of the people, and also you have to sell the bullshit to the company. And then you're like, well, guess what? Now they all believe it, so you can't, when it's no longer an arbitrage opportunity.

24:55And you're like, You've got this like a fucking, there's no value in it, like monetarily for a company. Well, now what do you do? How do you back out of it? It just blows my mind that those were the, this was like the vanguard of the issue of, we can't believe that these companies aren't supporting LGBTQ rights. I'm like, John Deere, really? Is that the fifth tip of the spear? They probably had, you know, a lot of these companies, I've seen this a lot in television, like I've, you know, worked in television a lot where it's like, there's, and especially, you'll talk to, you know, a lot of people that are higher up and they're like, you know, we're not about this life.

25:32But they, you know, they kind of hired some hip -new marketing team and the marketing teams like this is what you do, you post all this stuff and they're kind of right at that time. They're like if you want to get a lot of clicks and now I think people have a little bit of a difference between like what's a good click and a bad click, you know what I mean? Whereas before you're like, hey, I did your ad campaign, it has 18 million views and you go, well, if you look under it, you'll see that that's most people saying they hate us. Well, I wonder if the Bud Light thing has kind of highlighted to companies that caving into pressure and that they're then gonna have to go back on.

26:04I think Gillette is still kind of out in the wings. I don't think so. Yeah. Caving into pressure is being generous because I would say it is like, you know, being vultures trying to, you know, be able to cash in on this like little energy that's in this sort of pre -destining. Yeah, I don't think they're innocent in this. Right. I think it was like, you know, I mean, we have people and you're in this industry. I'm sure you see all the time where, you know, like some, like something is like a trend. And there's people that sort of like address the trend, but stay themself. And then there's certain people that are trying to like, really cash it in and you can see that.

26:40I'm just waiting for Russia to use $10 million check. I'm still fucking dude, 10 of media. Where are you at? Come and pay me. I thought Lauren Chan had my number. But yeah, it's, I spoke about this on the show a couple of weeks ago. We got this email through just the general contact form on my website that said, we want to pitch this person to come on the show and we're willing to pay six figures to bring them on. And the topics that we would like to discuss and the fucking list of topics were all like oil prices in the Middle East. And this is some Saudi deep state conspiracy bullshit. And yeah, it's funny, man.

27:22It's funny. You know what, that would be funny though. If you ever want to do it, is have those people on and then allow us to do like a prank show thing with them. It's like half the people on that are paying 100 grand, they give their 100 grand back after, but like half the men like prank them when we're not doing any of the stuff. Have you been watching, who's that guy? No cap on God? Yeah, I know that guy. Yeah, fuck me. He is so good at what he, I mean, you have this like on street thing. I can't do it. My cringe meter, my British cringe meter goes through the roof even second. It's very British.

27:52It is, thank you. It's very premon proper. But it goes through the roof watching you. do your thing. What was it that you were walking through Times Square asking people to donate money to Trump's legal fund? Well, I had a while where I had a bunch of different funds. I was going to people to donate to. I tried to get that. I want to do one where I was like Alex Jones legal fund and I did Trump's legal fund and then I did Tucker Carlson was making a doc, killery and liberal lies. And I was asking, but the Trump one, yeah, the Trump one I was telling people in New York, I said that they have a chance, they get entered into a raffle to win a chance to go to lunch with Baron Trump.

28:30And she goes, I would never want to go to lunch with Baron Trump. I'm like, well, it's not like guaranteed you're gonna win.

28:45Yeah, I think you're getting ahead of yourself. Yeah, it's not guaranteed. Those on three interviews, for me, like, I love watching them, but I can't, I can't deal with them. And the dude from No Cap, I'm got line line line line. I think his name is fucking sweet. Did you see that Trump had his own line of Bibles? Do you see this? Yeah, he's got a lot of fucking wacky stuff. He's got, he's got it all. He's got his Bibles. It turns out that Trump's God bless the USA Bibles were made in China. The official Bibles of Donald Trump were printed in China. It has been revealed. Thousands of copies of his God bless the USA say Bible printed in a country that the former president has repeated the accused of sealing American jobs.

29:29Trump never said where they were printed or what they cost a copy hand signed by the former president sells for $1 ,000. So yeah, like maybe they, maybe you could offer one of the signed Bible as well. Yes, probably guarantee that. Dude, I've actually been talking about this on stage a bit that is funny to me that Fox news can't get good commercials. So they just have to sell junk to old people and rumble has that a little bit, but you know Fox CNN's always like you know McDonald's and most most of the family of all time just enjoying a bag of Doritos as in combos you don't even see like Asian guy black woman Indian son.

30:07No stereotypes in this house the Asian and the woman are both really good drivers just she never see her and then you're gonna Fox News they're like rise up patriots this is this is a shrapnel of 9 -11 that is made into a bucket of Trump's cum, but you know, this is a scab of Ronald Reagan's arm when he was, but it's just like there was one where, oh this is what I was, this is what made me start. I think I was, I can't remember if it was Rumble or Fox or whatever, but I was watching something and it started out, the ad just pops up and I actually burst out laughing where it goes, sleepy Joe doesn't watch you to see this.

30:45And it's like a coin or something. But the idea, just out of the blue, sleepy Joe doesn't watch you to see this, that was dying. This is the funniest thing ever. That is, you are right, the right wing advert versus left wing advert. If you didn't catch, you must have done that. I did it a while ago and then a lot of the things have happened because I said they're selling patriot water. Oh fuck, yeah there is actually what's it called? Like Patriot 2 .0, what's some shit? Yeah, the only thing they haven't done is Patriot Air, which is like Air for Patriot. Yeah, there's no immigrants have breathed this air in.

31:22It is a good air. Fucking hell. The other thing from your special that we need to talk about, you taught me that there is a YouTube niche of breastfeeding your eyes. And I didn't even know that this was a thing. I mean, I guess that you need advice for everything. I wish I didn't know as a thing, buddy. I hope you're not in this situation. I am because the problem with the algorithms, and I've been saying this with, I got on disability TikTok, right? Which is, what are you a jerk off to? So there's this guy, he just rolls around. He's got no arms and legs, and there's like a bunch of them, right?

32:00And this guy's laughing. The guy's crushing, he's probably a bazillionaire right now. He's rolling into a bag of money, right? But the thing is the algorithm is so wild because you don't ask for it. But you know, if you were, I said, if you were walking around the street and there was a guy rolling around on this floor or like taking a shit in the alley, like of course you would look more than you would just look at a normal person. And then the algorithms like, oh, that's your shit. Huh? So it's like, that's all you get now. So if you walk, like, so now when I see any freak show content, I try to scroll as fast as I can.

32:35But I guess they got me with the breast meat.

32:40Because they go just, it's a literal like, you know, only fans chick just sitting there, you know, fake babe. Oh, I don't know if I didn't mention that part in the special. They got fake babies too. So basically it's a loophole that you can be nude on Instagram if it's breastfeeding content. Okay, even if it's not a real child. Well, I don't know the logistics of the real or fake child because maybe you could say it's, you know, they're, it's educational. Practicing, it's a practice child. Yeah, and you know, and they say it's for new mothers. That's why my special. I'm just like guys 10 ,000 new mothers that's who's watching this But so they have basically fake babies now and then they're feeding this to me man.

33:17I'm the demo that I don't watch it anymore They keep giving it to me like you did that one time though. You love it. Well, it's funny to look at whether or not It was like them activating a secret thing that you actually did want in the back of your mind what tits Well, yeah, fucking zey me. If I'm seen a full out pair of tits on my timeline, I scroll a little slower. Fucking wacko. I remember reading the TikTok terms of service thing that was in some news article, and they were talking about how the app is allowed to use the front facing camera to detect micro expressions. How would it be? They must have mapped the way that your face moves, and then it's watching you looking and you see some of the breastfeeding content.

34:00Also, if you go like that. Yeah, but that's a reaction. Right, so maybe that's good. Maybe that's, but I'm sure they've like my - What's the micro - The micro expression to breastfeeding porn, real breastfeeding porn to a fake baby, I guess, technically. I mean, yeah, whatever. You hacked the system, you figured out how to be nude on the internet to get people to subscribe to your things and get views. It's probably good, but yeah, the problem is, now the algorithm is just the whole thing's based on, did you look at it for longer than you looked at the last thing? This is now your thing. Hey, guess what?

34:30This is your entire identity. Yeah, and well, that's, you know, it's one thing to be like, you know, you tricked me into having an algorithm full of boobs. It's a whole nether thing to be like, you tricked me into having a whole algorithm full of like, guys whose faces are burned off. Right, or rolling a quadriplegic rule of the hand in bags of money. You know what, I tried to hack my algorithm where I went and just, so my Facebook and my boy's cast page, so I only scroll through those. And I loaded my thing up and I watched only horse hoof tutorials. So now, I think you were Rancho. And what are you still getting delivered all of the holes?

35:07That's the majority of what I get now. I have favorite hoof guys now and stuff like. Like I have, I literally watch hoof content of a guy just cleaning it off and I'll be like, guys missing a spot. Nate, the hoof guy would never miss that. He's like, he's nowhere near as good as Dry Creek Drain. And then I got into horseshoes too. So I got horses, cowshoes. So that's all I get right now and actually life's better. Right. Ever since I pivoted from watching breastfeeding content to horse hoof cleaning content. Yeah. Everything's gone right. So I wanted to teach you about this book that I read a couple of years ago.

35:42The number one Google search in India that starts with the sentence, My husband wants dot dot dot is my husband wants me to breastfeed him. So porn featuring adult breastfeeding is higher in India than anywhere else in the world. Why is that? In just about every country, nearly all Google searches looking for advice on breastfeeding is how to breastfeed a baby. In India, Google searches looking for breastfeeding advice are equally split between how to breastfeed a baby and how to breastfeed your husband. So I mean, it has to be, I know a guy who's into this. Have you ever met my buddy JJ? He met JJ?

36:24Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Is he Indian? No, it should be. Yeah, yeah. But they have some messed up thing. He's got a, you know, overbearing Jewish mother. He's freaking messing with me. Right. That he's got the fucking need to piss complex about. So Indian dudes, I, where I grew up in like right around Toronto, which is like huge Indian population. So a lot of people where I grew up with her Indian, and like a relative's union. They do have a culture of a bit of an overbearing mother, I think. So, India, especially like the boys are very like the golden child to the mom. So, you know, to some degree.

36:56Maybe baby later in life as well. It's gotta be related to, you know, obviously that has something to do with mom shit, right? And maybe it's something to do with. Like I think Indian people have that same like overbearing Jewish mother, like an overbearing Jewish, Indian mother. I wonder why it's not, I don't know how much sort of Jewish - And the dad, you're also getting real bad. Oh no, much Jew breastfeeding porn there is. Definitely not between the hours of whatever it is, 6 p .m. on a Friday. So this Huff Pulse person that was doing this... Well then you know why the Jewers people do it.

37:25Why? Well because milk's free. You're awful. Next to the dude. You're awful. So this Huff Pulse person put a search in, put a search, my husband wants me, top searches that came up, My husband wants me to breastfeed him. My husband wants me to abort our first baby. My husband wants me to sleep with other men. My husband wants me to quit. My husband wants me to quit my job. And then a conservative person did it at HuffPost. My husband wants divorce, breast milk, or all the time, me to breastfeed him. Like this breastfeeding is just real. I mean, or all the time's not that crazy. But that came in as like third after divorce and breast milk.

38:07It didn't even appear for the liberal person either. What's your theory as to why? I don't know, the Indian things, I wonder whether it was maybe something to do with the sacredness. You're from London, London, super high Indian population. Similar. Yeah, the whole UK is pretty high, sort of subcontinental stuff. But I wondered whether it was something to do with cows, cow milk, the sacredness of cows. Say, their mom's fat.

38:34I thought it might be something. You think it's the sacredness of cows. No, you're that's not it. No, evidently not. No, you've got to have a more sophisticated fucking thought process. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Ask JJ. I'm sure he might be telling you it's messed up mother stuff. Okay. And what's it? All of India overbearing mothers just across the entire country. Well, not every, I mean, a lot of Indians. So I don't know if all of them are on the on the breast videos searches. What? I'll tell you another thing. Okay. This is my other theory. That's like, you know how that's like being in defeat, like one above that in a sense where it's like, it's not, I'm not, maybe I'm not that crazy yet, you know what I mean?

39:11And they're like, this is like, I'm fucking this kinky dude, but it's, you haven't fully crossed over into, you know, the craziest stuff. So maybe this is like a trend. A dynamo necrophilia. Yeah, maybe that's one of those things where it's like India's getting into breastfeeding stuff. And you're just like, oh yeah, that was America 25 years ago. Are you saying that it's a gateway drug? That's one. That's my hypothesis. Breastfeeding porn is a gateway drug into much more hardcore. This might be like a transitional period. You go, you check in on India seven years from now, you're like, that's not even the top, not even crack at the top 20s.

39:45It's like when they look at chimpanzees and stuff and they say, it seems like chimpanzees are beginning to first use tools. But it's like, oh my god, I'm watching them evolve in front of my eyes. And it's the same thing, but with like degenerate porn for Indian people. Exactly. This might be a transitionary step, but I think it's also a transitionary step because of the mother stuff. Right. I wonder what we're gonna see in a few decades time and we're gonna be like sedimentary rock. We can just track the Pornhub searches of all of the like everybody across the world and see who's out front. That being said, Japanese men have recently become obsessed with tickling porn.

40:21More than 10 % of Pornhub searches for young Japanese men are for tickling. That one I really don't have a... I don't know Japanese guys. I know Indian people pretty well. I don't know the Japanese as well. They want to be tickled. So that's all you need to know. I mean, if I was to guess, this is completely out of nowhere. What you're saying that this isn't a well -researched opinion that you're about to put in front of us back by date. I feel like my hands are on the money. I feel like I'm tapped into the Indian culture. Okay. Japanese stuff, my guess would be that Japanese culture is very childlike.

40:56If you look at all the, you know, they have the girls where it's hot and they're basically dressed schoolgirls. Yeah, schoolgirls. The anime kid stuff. So if you think of that stuff being very popular. Oh, it's a babying. Tickling is very cartoony. I think you maybe owner something there. That wasn't total dog shit. Yeah, that has to. If I was to make a connection between two things, it's the child -like fashion stuff versus... That stuff, you do change your... You know, you ever watched like a movie about like, you know, a place that's all not white people and you know, whether that be like Asian or, you know, and then you leave that, like let's say you watched a whole thing about fucking Jamaica or something, you leave that kind of being like, like, I think I'm into black girls.

41:48Like, you know what I mean? Like it does change your, whatever you're around, obviously changes. Like you're saying that you've got this like a proximity, like impact on what you're attracted to because - sure true is just the extent of which each person is, you know, that's just a nature nurture conversation, right? And for every person, that's whatever percentage, but what chicks are into is for sure nature nurture, there's gotta be a split, right? Yes. Well, I mean, you can't be into something. So if you're always just, you know, surrounded by like all of the imagery of hot chicks, is that me and like, like, you know, you, yeah, okay, that's interesting.

42:21Then you're just like, oh, yeah, like, well, that's the same thing about, Are you finding something that you're genuinely interested in from the algorithm? Or is it training you to be interested in what it wants you to click on? I know. And this is kind of, you know, the very negative parts about all of like algorithmic based, you know, art form. I mean, it's moving closer to, you know, no property law, China kind of thing. But the more important thing is that isn't a metric. So if you were a company, and I mean, you are a company. And if you said, okay, I did this thing. If you made a video and it got more views, right?

42:57And people watched it more, but most of them hated it. And no one, you know, signed up for your stuff, no one's, you know, you would consider that, well, let's not move in that direction. Like, views is not your only metric. Their main metric is how long you watched it. Again, if I'm walking by and a guy is shitting on the street, I will probably look at that longer than a guy who's sitting in a chair doing nothing. I didn't prefer that. So that is inaccurate. And I'll tell you where it leads to is because I just stop using the apps like that. Okay, so TikTok's the most like that. And I know everyone, the joke everyone always makes is they go, you go, I actually don't like that.

43:36And you go, sure bud, it's based, the algorithm knows you better than you do. It's like, well, sure, the same way that you go, if I was sitting in my house and every day, there was like the best food in the world or something healthy, you know, or the best tasting food or something healthy, or the hottest girl, or someone that you're not gonna get in trouble for sleeping with. You know, every day, you would still want to make those, you would still, eventually you would stop going to that room. You would stop going to that party, like, you know, the same reason. So eventually I just kind of stop using the apps that, I go, I don't like this more.

44:09You go, yeah, technically you're like, good at like keeping me here longer, but that doesn't mean I like it more. So there's, you know, shows that, here's a perfect example, sorry to bring. a lot about this, but I stopped watching shows that forced, you know, there was a, shows used to be kind of episodic and then they realized, you know, when it went to the streaming model that we need to end everything with like a huge cliffhanger to keep you involved, right? I stopped watching shows like that. So I won't watch shows that are episodic because yeah, I like can't go to sleep if I'm watching and it's like I need to watch more episodes.

44:42It's like, yeah, but then I won't do it the next day. Right. So you don't - before you go to bed. Yeah, you beat me in the short term, but not in the long term, in the long term, I just exited the game. Yeah. That's funny. In other news, this episode is brought to you by True Classic. True Classic teas have some of the highest quality t -shirts, hoodies and jeans on the market without a premium price tag. The shirts fit incredibly well. They've got this awesome cotton, a last -tane blend. They're loose around your midsection, but they're fitted around your arms and your chest. As the weather starts to dip, their long -sleeved henlies and waffle hoodies are perfect for layering in comfort.

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45:55Yeah, it's very true. It keeps on expanding. But there's a one that's kind of similar called Good Hearts Law. Good Hearts Law says, when a measure becomes an outcome, it ceases to be a good measure. So for instance, if you were to say the measure that I want is the most number of email newsletter subscribers that I could get. And that is the only thing I'm optimizing for. That's the outcome. A measure, email newsletter subscribers becomes the outcome that you optimize for. You would say, right, I'm going to post online that I'm going to give $10 ,000 to every person that signs up on the internet.

46:25Yeah, that's good point. Then they don't get $10 ,000. What have you done? Hooray. You've got all of these people to sign up for your newsletter. But that wasn't actually the outcome you wanted. It was just a measure on route to it. The outcome you wanted was, I want a large list of people who are interested in what I do and want to hear from me and think about me positively and so on and so forth. And that's the same with talking about the content thing or the views thing or the optimizing for anything thing. It's the same as I want girls to like me, therefore I'm going to get as jacked as possible.

46:55You get super duper jacked, but you don't realize what the externality of that is going to be, which is just tons of fucking attention from men. Or if you want to company, if you want to company, that was - I never found it getting jacked, it helped it all one way or another with women. With getting men? Oh. Yeah, with getting men it was did okay, yeah. No, I think you'd be surprised at how little of a difference it makes. I might have been, might have been adverse for me. Yeah. How jacked have you got? I think if I had a six pack, I think the like the knowledge that, you know, it sounds like a cope, But I mean, you know, obviously it's different types of girls, but like if in you know, I played in you know, Bayon the my whole life and I've been in entertainment my whole life and been a comedian touring comedian for 15 years and I would say that the people that are around that Seeing like I've never seen a correlation between the most jacked guy and the most girls like you know to a point But I think that there's like a level of like cool, you know, nihilism that is negated by having a six pack Oh, that's funny.

47:56I wonder how special that is to your particular industries of like Lithario Yeah, fucking leather jacket wearing 4 a .m. People. I probably I probably especially depends on your body type too But I think that like the skinny heroin version of my body types look like is more appealing than the jacked version You've sex you texted me something about that the other fucking pissing myself But that good hustle or thing. So imagine that you run a company and one of the measures that you want, you tell, we need to drop the fraud rate in our company as much as possible. So you get customer support and you drill them.

48:34This is the most important metric. This is exactly what you're focusing on. Hooray, they manage to drive the fraud rate to essentially zero. Boo, what they actually do is treat every customer like a potential fraudster. That's not good. But that's not actually what you wanted to achieve. So I think when you're looking at stuff like the pooping man on the street that you look at for a little bit longer, the equivalent of that on the internet, what you actually end up realizing is, okay, I can make something that will cause people to look and may even accumulate an audience, but it's not the sort of audience that I want.

49:07What are they here for? Are they here for the right reasons? And what are their expectations around me? This is one of the things that you should always be scared about if you ever do anything that blows up, even as a musician. Like, let's say that you make a song, and this song's amazing, but it's like kind of a bit out there compared with what your usual stuff is and what you love to make, and you just experimented and had this crack, and you go, I've just got 50%. That's you now. That's you, and you go, oh, I need to now play in that field. I made a right -wing country, that Oliver Anthony guy, remember that guy?

49:39Like, guess what? You're now like a political football for the rest of your music career. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody cares about you and what you think to do with DC and the Richmond, North of Richmond, and blah blah. That might have just been, I don't think it was, but that might have just been one, I'm just going to have a crowd write a thing that's about like Richmond, that kind of in the Washington DC area. You go, that's you now, that's your entire identity. So be careful doing that. 1000%. I think the hardest part is when you're trying to explain to other people your version of it because when you're trying to have employees or whatever, any one else that's working for you, it's like, because you're basically describing an equation that's like, this, if this, right?

50:21You're saying like, if these, you probably know the better wording for it, but if these criteria are satisfied, then this is the thing we're optimizing for, right? But it's, I feel like that's a very hard thing to get people on board with. I have this. Like, I mean, a big, huge thing that, probably the, you know, and you can have a million of them, but the big thing I always have that, it's like, none of this matters if it isn't funny, right? So I'm always like, and it's like, well, you said you want this and this and this and this and it was like, yeah, none of that is, we don't even have any of those conversations like until it's funny.

50:54Yep. So it's like having conversations like doing things in the right order maybe is the answer. Well, having a gate that you have to pass through. So if it's, if this isn't funny, it doesn't matter how much money it makes, doesn't matter how much impact it has, doesn't matter how cool it makes me. If it's not funny, it doesn't get through the first. So there's like an ordinating principle, kind of similar Jeff Bezos and Musco, supposedly, have got one. Bezos, who's an Amazon, was, does this make the customer experience better? And Musco was, does this get us closer to Mars? So everything, all of the choices, doesn't matter how fucking cool it is, doesn't matter how fast the Tesla is, it doesn't matter how much money it makes on Amazon Prime Day or Black Friday or whatever.

51:35Does this make the customer I'm experiencing about it just to get a good close to tomorrow's. And if it doesn't get through that, is this funny? If it's not funny, doesn't matter. Yeah, that's the base level of like, makes everything easier. And I think that that's why, you know, on stage, it's easy, because you're like, well, obviously, if it's not getting laps, like, kill it. Well, maybe not kill it, get it to the point where it's getting laps, but you go, none of, no matter how good I think this is, doesn't matter until that's solved. You know, so that makes it easier. You think it's impactful if you think that it's like, useful if you think that it's cool for your career, if you think it's gonna make headlines, if it's not funny, it doesn't get...

52:11I mean, it's like one of those things where, you know, it's like working in a magazine and you're kind of like, you have this amazing scoop, but it's about the boss's wife. It's like, well, it doesn't matter. They're not gonna say yes. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know, you don't understand how great this is. It was like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. But it's hard to... I had this conversation with a guy called Stuart Russell, who wrote this book, Human Compatible. So the worldwide textbook on AI may still be the case, but it certainly was for a couple of decades, was written by this guy Stuart Russell.

52:39Anyway, wrote this book, and in it, he told me this really interesting thing about how the algorithm works. So the algorithm works in two ways. First way is that it finds content that you are likely to click on by getting better at predicting what you're gonna click on, right? That's kind of the way that everybody understands that the algorithm works. But there's a second way that it works as well, which is it moves your preferences, it nudges your preferences to make you easier to predict. So it's a bidirectional relationship. Oh, that's sinister. Fuck you, really sinister. Yeah, that's a great word.

53:16And yeah, so one of the reasons that we talk here, why is the internet so... People hate unpredictability. But the internet's so polarized and these two camps don't talk to each other and all the rest of it. And you go, okay, like, maybe that's because of tribalism, maybe it's because you're stating your opinions to everybody all the time. Maybe it's because we don't have time to have nuanced opinions and these sort of shows of loyalty to your own side and threat displays to the other. Maybe it's the algorithm meaning that if I know your far right, you're always gonna hate click or love click on these two buckets of things.

53:50And if you're far left, you're gonna do the opposite. Maybe everybody is just being cooked by the algorithm And we've all been turned into these sort of easily predictable preference engines. Yeah, I always think of things a little bit like, you know, stocks is maybe just everything is stocks, but it's the only one that is, you know, there's a centralized body which describes everything. But it really does, though, the more they do it, the more there is that arbitrage opportunity where they're, because you know, you know, like in, you know, attraction or whatever, It's like, you know, there's the kind of the oldest men, women thing, but women aren't attracted to a man who they can predict every thing about him, you know?

54:34And so it's like the people think they want that, but then they kind of stop wanting it. So at a time when everything kind of becomes predictable, when you see something that wasn't, you know, in a lot of ways, it's so much more attractive. But then, yes, so you kind of like, how do you rise above the algorithms to be that? that there's a tension between sort of novelty or being exotic and being reliable and consistent. Because people like that, I think this is one of the reasons, again, I listened to tons of Shapiro during 2020, during COVID. If there's a global pandemic going on, you need a daily show, I chose him.

55:10I know you can, I can just read the title. I've got a pretty good idea of what it takes gonna be. It's like putting on an old, like the Power Choose. You know, there's a cadence. By watching the car shows, like NCIS and stuff like that. No, it's the fucking brother, it's the uncle, it's the guy that was sort of snooping around the corner at the start and asking too many questions. You know what it's going to be, but you're almost there for that. It's comfortable log fire, you've got your fucking slippers on, like I'm familiar with this. And I think that the tension that people have between this desire for reliability and consistency and predictability, but avoiding being boring, and also the sort of spice of novelty and and and newness that everybody wants Finding that is exactly what it is.

55:52But I mean how many times have you been on the Algo and it's just thrown you something You've never seen before and you're like, oh, that's fucking good So I I went down a rabbit hole of yes Star Wars The meme if you're in the meme culture, there's a lot of you know, it'll get you dude I went in I went down this huge rabbit hole of Star Wars character battle power, like analysis, people that had read all of the law and they know who the most powerful Sith is of all time. And they work out what would have happened if Luke Skywalker at peak power had actually fought this guy and all the rest of it.

56:26And then that led me into this one about Marvel comics and all of the Marvel comics. And this is the biggest, most powerful guy. And it's that same fucking black man AI voice that everybody uses. And I was like this and I was in troll. But that was one video I'd never seen before. So that was the, you know, a bit of novelty that just gets tossed at you and you're like, oh wow, like this is fucking sweet. And then other times you go, I, if I had the all the time, it's too chaotic. It's like cap video, breastfeeding video, cow video, fucking marvel video, too much. It's got, there has to be, you know what?

56:58This would be the opportunity for the company that you basically are like algorithm curators. Because you know, especially like what you do, where you go, you know, there's people that are like, like, yeah, I know that this is worse for me. So I'm choosing to sort of, you know, it's obviously you don't wanna just be like, using your willpower every second, right? So you're able to say, okay, this is someone they take over your account for a week, and then they give it back to you where you're like, this is like the success algorithm you're about to get. I was saying that it's, I don't get, you know, I never get messed up by politics shit.

57:35Like, it never really like gets to me. but the alpha male should sometimes where it's like, if you sleep your gay and I'll be like, what the hell? You know, dude, it's something. I will, just be like on a plane and you know, guys just like, you know, y 'all sleeping, you know, they're sleeping while I'm working content and I'm just like, fucking loser.

58:00It's just yelling at me. Do you ever get to go one thing? Yes. My buddy, I know a guy that he filmed with Jordan Peterson. I know you know Jordan, and he goes, he was like the camera guy, and he was doing like a rant, and he said he like honestly went home stressed out, because he was all like, just right here, right? What Jordan Peterson's like, and another thing, fuck off. And he goes, I went to work, I said, yelled at my Jordan Peterson with three hours. He says, I can't just shake it off. Like, just the camera guy.

58:40Oh my God. Yeah. I have no idea how people that have to put up with that sort of stuff. There was a dude that worked for us, Bennett, my DP, the camera opt -in show for the Jocco a willing episode that we did a few years ago. And he was, I mean, Jocco's got, he's a man with a large head. And this shot was zoomed like just that. Sure. It was just his eyes and his nose. Yeah. And this guy for three hours, Bennett, had just been looking down the lens of the camera like this, like tracking his head as he'd moved around. And it was like, dude, I just like stared at a guy that's killed people's eyes.

59:19But we're in a half hour. Yeah, he's getting my soul. Yeah. Yeah. I know he wasn't looking at me, but it kind of felt like it. Yeah, it feels like it. Okay, we got to talk a bit of politics. Like what the fuck is the assessment you've got? This isn't your first time in the US during an election. That is this more crazy than it is typically. It's my first time here. Oh, this is your first time being here for it. It feels less crazy to me. Really? Do you feel more crazy to you? What, I haven't been here before. Well, you've been, I mean, everyone's been inundated by American politics. paid attention.

59:50I don't know, man. I mean, from two assassination attempts to a replaced candidate to like one of them going on call her daddy like I mean it's It's all not using Danny's the AI king right now bro So for the people that don't know I had to text Danny about this I also sent it to the guy that did Alex's 125 million dollar serious XM deal and I was like bro. He's seen this yeah Danny did a Kamala and Alex AI. He AI, Paul Kofa. And makes like a script that the AI must read in their voice. And he was talking about Kamala. Everybody knows that you're the throat goat. So can we talk? Unreal. I mean, if you're 70 years old and you just watch a video and you're supposed to know it's AI, like you're cooked man, you know, you're done.

1:00:43Yeah. But yeah, in terms of, to me, it feels like, like, I mean, the last four elects, okay, I remember I was in, I guess we'll see who wins and how it shakes down. I remember being in Toronto when Trump won the first time and I was at a comedy club and girls were crying. Like girls were like bawling their eyes out and I remember I went on to the... Nadine goes. Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, American politics is everywhere. So you are, yes, it's funny that it isn't Canada, but I guess it doesn't feel like like that, they feel like, you know, I feel, and I'm sure they were correct that like Trumpian president is going to affect the next four years of the life or whatever, but yeah, that's how much, you know, and I know people in New York that were like, yeah, I cried and they kind of feel like a little embarrassed about it now.

1:01:26But I remember I went on stage and I was like, it's 2016 and I was like, there's going to be some fucking changes around. You know, you're like, the first thing that happened. But I was like, yeah, it was crazy before crying, right? But to me, it doesn't feel like it feels to some degree like a lot of people are in some ways embarrassed about how much they lost their mind. People lost their mind so many times where now it feels back to probably a little closer to how I grew up where people are like, yeah, there's podcasts with people that have different political views. It seems to me like both candidates are sort of, you know, Trump's going on being like, like, no, I'm not crazy on abortion and then Kamala's going on being like, I swear, I'm not like this fucking crazy woke person.

1:02:12Like they're almost, you know, they're clearly sort of whether they're going to do it or not, but they're clearly like that's who they're trying to sort of, you know, move into. Again, we'll see what happens afterwards. But I was kind of thinking that so many of arguments right now is just, you know, abortion will be an example, but you can probably, you know, pick anything. most arguments in politics are just who has the more egregious edge case. You know what I mean? So it's like, in most of the time, 99 .9 % of the time you're not talking about edge cases, but it's really being like, here's this edge case of what happens if you get your way and then this guy goes, well, here's an edge case of what happens the other way.

1:02:53Okay, one person's like immigrant that's killed an entire family of five is another person's third trimester dead baby that's actually been five hours born or such shit. And in reality, none of it, you know, most of it, almost, almost never any of it happens, right? Yeah. And I'm sure whatever people are probably are, you're arguing like, well, this one happens a lot, and maybe there are edge cases of what I'm saying. Well, if it's a true edge case, then it doesn't happen a lot. That's what the definition of an edge case. Dependent definitions, there you go. Yes. But yeah, so to me, it was like every argument I watch right now, it feels like it's like, how can you prepare the most egregious edge case?

1:03:30It's just not picking from left to right. Yeah. Well, and I think why it's gone a little more politically. Like if you watch, if you watch the debates with the VP debates, right? And I kind of watched this stuff because we talked about it a bit. But like to me, that was your classic vintage. You know, I was gonna say, like, you know, the politics we're used to now is just like, these guys are going on being like, he has a pretty good idea. I actually agree with them on that one and pretty good idea. And I'm like, call him fat. What are you? What is? Like call him a rapist. What do we want? I came in from, like, that's what me and Danny were saying that you just have a flashback where you go, wait, am I just watching a VP debate?

1:04:06What the hell? I'm like, I can't hear for a royal rumble. Yeah, I thought I was watching politics, not politics. We were saying the same thing about conspiracy theories where sometimes you get it too deep into conspiracy theories like I was watching all the P Diddy stuff and watching all this stuff and you're like, it's an Epstein sex trafficking ring and then eventually you're just like, So JLo is leaving Ben Affleck and he's not happy and you go, RFK's wife was seen without her wedding ring. And before you know, you're just gossiping. And you're, you're like, what are you talking about? RFK's wife's even, I'm doing conspiracies right now.

1:04:44Right, it's been so watered down that everything is now a part of that. You can do it like those kind of conspiracies. You're just doing it. Yeah. How much do you think the Kamala going on podcast and doing the 60 minutes and all the rest of it is just a response to the fact that Trump is everywhere at the moment. Do you think that's them playing defense just sort of trying to get her out there? Because it's too obvious. If she doesn't go on all of this long, any long forms of it all, there's this big sort of open loop of... I think it was too obvious. And they were like, well, let's crank out a few, you know, softballs, like stern, you know, sterns, you know, going to be like, what's it like being so great?

1:05:20You know? So I think that that's what they're doing. They're like, yeah, let's crank out a few. and then I think that people just don't like her. So it seems to be that it's kind of changing the things. I'm sure it's not changing a lot, but I mean the betting markets are not fueling our interviews. Dude, do you follow Polymarket? Yeah, I love following Polymarket. All right, so everyone, I had Mike Solana from PirateWires on the show a couple of months ago. He's so fucking great. They wrote this thing today I wanted to read to you. So this is sponsored by Polymarket, right? They're like a product.

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1:06:54I think I can do that better. I think Luke Tenant Dan, the hurricane guy, he's going to be the new Hawke two again. So he's going to be interviewing the president. But the people that don't know who's Luke Tenant Dan. He's like a guy that's been going viral during the hurricane stuff. And he lives in a boat, I guess, or something like that. He refuses to leave during the past three or five hurricane. But yeah, so I guess that there obviously she can do no interviews. So yeah, she had to do a few at some point It's it's funny that you say about that like retrospective shame PT like PTSD post traumatic shame disorder of You must know people have that a little bit, but I don't know So because 2016 I still really, really had my head at my ass.

1:07:46So it was not paying much attention to what was going on politically. But I can totally see how that would be the case. There's another element as well, I think. There's people that were like mad crazy during COVID. Yes, that's true. That would be more accurate that one. But with the Trump thing, I think there's a bit where people don't want to admit that he gets to them. Like everybody knows his stick largely. Now, the, like, did this bit the other day where people, this someone was like, like Gaze for Trump. Gaze for Trump. And he said, who said that? Some guy was like, oh, it's me, you don't hear it.

1:08:17You don't look gay. Like, you just know that what he's gonna say, he called Alex Cooper like dumb, she's a dummy. Like he's a dumb, dumb girl, she's a dummy. And he like, you know, there's like fair criticisms and then there's like your brain's gone. Like I can get like a normal person being like, you know, I don't wanna like live in a world that revolves around one man again for four years. Whereas just the whole world revolves around this one guy. That's fair to say. And I think some people think that. So I mean, probably a referendum on whether people want to run begin. And then out of the people that are like, we don't, being like, is this too much?

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1:10:05That's functionhealth .com slash. Modern wisdom. Isn't it interesting that the press are pushing so hard against Trump? The Atlantic came out in support of Kamala. Wait, the media was against Trump you're saying? I didn't catch it Which one? But like The single greatest thing that could happen to all of the clicks of every single news Oh, they don't believe it in clicks for on the planet would be four years of a Trump presidency sort of, but again, it's a short term thing again. Like, think about what, how did that end? All of those places that you go, this was a click bonanza. How are they doing now?

1:10:42Are they doing better or worse than they were doing? Keep them in power. Keep them in power. But that's what I mean. It's, it's kind of, I mean, I've been, I was having trouble sleeping and I started taking sleeping pills and it was like, well now I have to take sleeping pills. I'm right, okay. But I'm, well, yeah. But it feels like that a little bit where you go, yeah, that'll be a click bonanza, but you, I think you have to like, but you're gonna ruin your brand in the process. I wonder whether, and literally, dude, they lost their minds so much and tried to like ring out every click, wearing Trump, that it killed media.

1:11:14That's true. That is true. Yeah. It's not a job anymore because they lost their minds so much during Trump. That's a good point. Have you seen the New York Times were striking, right? No. And so the New York Times was going on strike and they basically had to, they had their demands and it was like, imagine what you would think they would be. It was like, we need, you know, like rooms if we're feeling microaggressions. The one thing was they go, we need trigger warnings. Like it's shit that you're like, this year kidding, right? And they was like, they want trigger warnings at the news. Like they work in the news in trigger warnings, right?

1:11:53But it was just funny because the same day that came out was the thing where Wall Street was like We're only gonna let people walk 82 hours a week It's like so funny. They're like right dichotomy within the space of like three miles tradition The media yeah, traditional like fucking liberal New York media versus you know, well, this capitalist versus like yeah Dude bro, fuck capitalist and it was like They're they're making a rule that they're only allowed to work 82 hours a week on paper I mean, no one's gonna follow that, but yeah, you're limited to three grams of cocaine per day in the office on account Yeah, so this uh the Atlantic thing the Atlantic for the fifth time in its history is endorsing a candidate for present Kamala Harris, but another way to write it is the People were waiting on that Yeah, well, I mean dude they wrote an article when was it scientific American came out in support of Kamala They literally wrote an article saying scientific American didn't need to endorse anybody and then a month later obviously whatever pressure has been applied to them that they need to come out.

1:12:52Come on, we really need you. So they're big days of the reason they have a big subscription model in their bases like, hey, we're paying you money. Are you going to say something or what? Maybe I've get the sense that it would have come more from inside of the company than inside of the audience. Gotcha. But another way to write it, fifth time in the history endorsing a presidential candidate or third time in a row, they're endorsing Trump's opponent. Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's not the whole, everything that's happening with regards to politics at the moment is just a big fuck off protest vote.

1:13:20You're not voting for the love of that candidate. You're voting for the hate of the other one. You know, you said that, you know, you were in COVID, you go to Ben Shapiro and you're that's comfort and that's what it is. I mean, that's how I look at news where I'm like, okay, I'll just sometimes I like to look at it to see what the thing that people want you to think is. You know what I mean? Right. So like those publications, yeah. It's not telling you what's going on. It's telling you what people want you to think is going on. Which I think is, you know, especially if you're someone that's, you know, a comedian or in culture or any business where you need to know like the way things are moving or, you know, probably you want to know those things.

1:13:59But that's the only information that you get generally. Or if they, or if they corroborate something that everyone else seems to corroborate, it's maybe another piece of data. I wouldn't want to happen if it does come down a bit. Like, you know, we've sort of crazy wokie stuff on one side seems to be chilling out a little bit. Trump seems to be moderating himself. Maybe that's just in the run -up to the actual voting point or maybe that's actually indicative of what he's trying to do longer term. Well, I think the end of the day, you have to look at it didn't work. At the end of the day, where you go, why is it why are things like moving away from that?

1:14:41You go, because it didn't work for you. Infective. So your job during the campaign is to get elected. You did a thing, it didn't get you elected, do a different thing and see if it works. Yeah, and then also, but you know, it also probably, I mean, okay, Candace obviously like a more aggressive example. They've had 12 years of Justin Trudeau who's like a clown, right? And you go with Facebook. Yeah, and you know, there's like, people went from mostly people being fairly liberal to people having like fuck Trudeau stickers on the, like turned into like a Republican dad over, you know, night, you know what I mean?

1:15:16Like people are legit, you know, your your average person is, you know, ready to is talking about the second amendment and stuff like that, right? And that to me, that's what that's what that did. It like it didn't it made people go the other way because it was, you know, so flawed, like logically that I think that like most dudes just weren't like, I'm not buying what you're selling. You ended up with reaction. Yeah. So, I mean, that's in addition to like politically it was somewhat not effective in the long term. It's probably, I mean, it might be, to be honest, it might have been somewhat effective at points to get people elected, but probably not to make anything better, that's for sure.

1:15:54Well, that's the game, right, is between what you need to do or say in order to be able to get yourself into office. But what does that actually do in terms of making the world a better place? How do you do it again? You know what I mean? It's like the, it's the girl that you promised the world and then deliver, you know, you can say. Well, that's the thing, that's the mad thing about the sort of Kamala situation is that you're in power now. Like you're literally, you've been in office. I know you're second, like number two or whatever, but you've all of the things that you're highlighting that are problems with the country that need to be fixed.

1:16:26There has to be attention when it comes to the talking points that her team are creating for her. That is, well, we can kind of derogate where the world and the country is at right now, but we can't do it too much because kind of, we were in charge a bit. So whereas the person that is the opponent is opposed to the incumbent, is she the incumbent? I guess kind of kind of not. The person that's on the other side can go, this has been ruined, I'll come and fix it. Like all of the problems are there fault, technically her fault. She's got like a bit of culpable deniability, but not that much. She's like, well, you were fucking inside of the tent pissing out, not Trump trying to burn it down from the outside.

1:17:05I mean, I think you're talking to like your audience and you're talking to voters the way that maybe people are supposed to think about it, but I don't think that is how people think about it. I mean, most people have their one issue. Like any girl that I know that's like, I'm not voting for Trump, he's against abortion. End of story. Like that's so many New York people. I mean, so I mean, really, that's all like semantics. It's like an argument that The change is nothing to some degree. Well, it's wild every time that I read an assessment, if it's Nate Silver, that polling guy, or even more partisan media stuff, everybody that's talking about polling is basically saying almost all of this campaigning stuff could just be shut down.

1:17:51Probably 98 % or 99 % of America could just switch off about the election and there's like four counties in Pennsylvania and a couple in Nevada. and they can actually deal with it. No, he seems weird to me. Yeah, people don't probably made this point, but they're like all the undecided voters. You're like, who? No. I don't know anyone that's like, about 5 % of the vote. At this point is like, oh, I don't know. They're both good. It's like, who is that guy? I mean, the only thing I get is the guy who, you know, do I like this person enough to actually get off my ass and do it? Yes. To me, that makes sense where you're, they always start with undecided, but to me it probably seems more like unregistered.

1:18:32Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not yet registered. Am I actually, you know, this guy that, you know, maybe, yeah, I prefer Trump, but I don't like him all, you're like, are you actually gonna go do it and you're like, probably not? Motivated enough. Can you get that kind of vote? To me, that feels like more what it's about. Yeah, that's a really good point. But when you think, I think it's about 5 % of voters are class themselves as undecided or classed as undecided. But then of that 5 % of 330 million people, How many of them have registered to vote? How many of them are going to go and vote? And if that subset, if that subset, how many of them live in the counties of the places that actually matter, the Pennsylvania, the Nevada, the whatever the fuck?

1:19:11It's like you might actually be talking about the entire political campaign running rampant across the world, being for less than a million people. That might actually be who it is. Less than a million people. Less than a million people. Like that might be who is, all of this stuff is being funneled toward. The only ones that matter can vote will vote the living. I guess it's really based on blunders then, you know, at this point you go, I don't know if there's anything good someone could do or like their speech was so good they changed people's mind. It's really like, did you not mess up so bad that you dropped a point?

1:19:45I, going on Call of Duty, that's a high risk strategy definitely. I don't know. You are right though, I mean, how many times the Trump did flagrant with show? Me, I didn't see it that way. It is hilarious to me, but to me that felt like, I mean, the caller daddy, when they were doing the blowjob tutorials, that was more like the five years ago bar stool days from what I understand. So really, it was like, she go from what I think, in my mind, what I think it is now, is like women talking about mental health, and you know what I mean? Checktalk. Yeah, like that kind of shit. So it's Haley Bieber talking about how difficult it is to deal with the pressures of fame and stuff like that.

1:20:26Like a lot of that kind of shit. I think it is too. Although, yeah, you're right. Alex kind of branded herself as one thing and then I just want you to go. Yes, you want to get out of it. Yeah, I think I think that seems to be the case, but the We're playing off errors not successes. I think is like absolutely dialed. I think fucking straight on the money. How many times that Trump was on Shultz's show and he described himself as I think like kind of truthful or mostly, I'm a mostly truthful person or something like that and everybody. Yeah. Shultz was like, what? Hey, mostly truthful. Like what is that?

1:21:05That was in a campaign ad for Kamala like today. Really? Yeah. That happened. They recorded it on Monday. It came out yesterday. It was in a campaign ad today. So it very much is just obsessively watch what the other candidate does. See if you can find a Belander. Yeah. So the amount of, I guess, opportunities that you give the other person, like the fewer opportunities, if you don't do so many... You think that's kind of wild when you look at it where you go, you know, like you know all these people that are kind of like pivotal people in deciding the election now, you know what I mean? Yeah.

1:21:38That kind of wild, like the media like changed so much and you kind of in the last five years, you look around, you go, oh, I guess I'm like, it's like your friends that are kind of like pretty evident. And pretty evidently fucking important in the future of the country somehow. Yeah. And a lot of people like that, it's pretty wild. It is pretty strange. Yeah. I, I don't know how I feel about that. Like it's kind of flattering to everybody that, that, that, that, that it's power, but it also feels a lot like who the, I keep bringing this up. There's this image of Mark Zuckerberg in front of Congress and he's being shouted out.

1:22:10It's when he still was AI. They love show, now them. But it was like AI Mark, where everyone was sure he was a lizard robot person and not Chad Mark, now with the beard and a necklace chain. Grills. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's fucking. I beast Mark. Abs. He is, he is, yeah. He's Error One Mark. And it was just an image of a guy who 15 years ago had tried to be able to work out who was hotter on a website and whether you were in a relationship with someone or not. Yeah. Now being told that he's suppressing information which is crucial to the future of the Republic, or some shit, and he's like this. And he's like, it's just a guy.

1:22:45But it's kind of the same with, you know, what the fuck is going on that Alex Cooper, some girl that just wanted to have a chat with her friends and like maybe some famous chicks about what it's like to fucking be a girl and grow up and have casual sex or something. And now you have a chat with like the vice president, potential future president of the country. They go, oh, like we've handed a lot of power to like random people. Oh, it didn't hand it to them. They took it themselves. Yeah, they've grown that power. Yeah, it's super interesting. It's fucking... The people they had the power before, like probes themselves not to be trusted and then people left.

1:23:23You know, it's kind of... I mean, there's that... I'm sure you've heard it in tech where they like everything is just decentralizing and decentralizing again. Well, basically, like every new company is bundling and unbundling of some sort, where it's like, you know, there was, you know, first it was, you know, songs were a thing. And then you started having CDs. And then basically then they started, you know, the new company was like, you could buy a bunch of CDs at once. And then, and then then it was back to like original songs and then Spotify bundles them again. And like, so basically there's a thing that every company is basically like bundling and then unbundling products.

1:24:02But it's kind of thinking like, you know, it's almost like if you look at everything, you know, politics, culture, it's all just fashion going from baggy to tight and tight to baggy. Like, kind of it relates to like everything. But it's like music always goes from like soft art or like technical and then back to like kind of nihilistic. It doesn't matter like the rap. And then you get the rapper who's like, I'm the best at rapping and then you go to the guy that's like, I don't even care about being good. It's not about that. You just go back and forth. But it's all just things going from tight to baggy to tight.

1:24:31And like politics and media, it kind of is like that too, where it really went from like, you know, it went from baggy or tight, which is, you know, buttoned out, rimper and proper to baggy, which is like a bunch of people like talking shit on a podcast. And then yeah, so it's like all of, you know, kind of culture is just things going from tight to baggy and baggy to tight. Really funny. I never thought of that. But also it's in line with what you were saying about the Trump Biden and then Trump Kamala debates. And you go, that could have been the intro to the flagrant episode. It's the same tenor.

1:25:10Do you know what I mean? It's personal. Oh, I see what you're saying. It's like the exact set. So for us to say, oh, isn't it crazy that no, Alex Cooper and Andrew Schultz and all of these people have got you. Aiden Ross is important to the future of Donald Trump's presidency and stuff like that. And you go, oh, kind of, but only if you're comparing it to the wrong period in history. If you compare it to the right period in history, which is right fucking now, it makes total sense. That's what happens. I don't think you know what he said at the end of that sentence. He doesn't know either. Like it was just, it's complete.

1:25:38It's continuation. Yeah. So the removal of like gatekeepers, but yeah, you can imagine why that like, even when they're on the gatekeeper program, you know, they had to reinstall gatekeepers as in, there's and the way that we can mute your mic. Like that's a physical fucking gatekeeper because the natural decorum that would have typically been had in a presidential debate. You ever see that one? It was whoever Obama ran up against in like 2012, whoever that was, and they go and they sort of shake hands at the beginning and I think, before we get started, I'd like to wish the honorable gentleman's wife a very happy birthday.

1:26:11And he think, who are you fucking? Gonna lame shit. Come on! Call him a dick. It's always, it's always switches. To me, it's like politics is politics, and then it becomes culture. You know what I mean? Where, you know, Trump is culture, where it's like, you could, whether or not you were into politics, you had an opinion on Trump. So it kind of transcends, you know, there's certain issues like men and women and you know, race stuff. They're kind of more of a part of culture. And then there's issues that are less sexy, like the Federal Reserve, which are the actual, you know, usually important ones.

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1:27:59And basically each different group is trying to pretend to be one above them. You can't pretend to be two above you. So you know how a barba pole when it rotates, it goes up and then it restarts at the bottom. Like if you think about... It's pretty good, I like it. Talking about the baggy to tight, tight to baggy thing, when Kanye West started making clothing, what was it? It was almost hobo chic, right? It was like literally like oversized long sleeves. From a million dollars. Correct. Here's a rip -up shirt from... The only people that could afford it were the people at the top of the barber pole, but how were they dressing?

1:28:33They were dressing like the people at the bottom of the barber pole. So why... Oh, that's... Oh, fuck, I like it. Yeah, you're signaling, but the only reason because everyone's going one up, but when you're at the full top, you've got to go right back. That's the, you know, hedge fund kid son, hoodie red sneakers slum it or the, yeah, Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, yeah, where they don't actually thing where they're all wearing the hoodies. It's the same as the guy that just got his PhD saying it's a doctor long, actually, yeah, yeah, as opposed to the dude that's been a practicing surgeon for 50 years.

1:29:02Probably Mark, yeah, 100%. That's a great theory. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I love of that barbapol idea. So I'm always thinking about, okay, what's this person signaling and who are they trying to be? You know what I'll tell you what kind of something that I think about that is that relates to that because when you're thinking about, people are always moving and looking to present themselves as something different. I'm always like, never listen to anyone who hasn't been the thing for less than two years. So when someone's telling you about religion, you know, you'll have a friend that's like, I'm religious here's why it's great.

1:29:35or I'm, you know, here's why, you know, they just got into... Veganism. Yeah, or, you know, just got into right wing stuff and they're like, you know, calling you a sheep now. Like, and it was like a week ago, this guy was, you watch and CNN, you know what I mean? Like, but I feel like two years is the amount where, you have to be in it for two years before I want to hear. Then he can preach to me. Yeah, yeah, because then, otherwise, it's like, you know, use that on someone else. Like, if you want to go talk to your family and bother your coworkers and your bullshit. I don't want to be the test subject for you, you know, playing with your new toy.

1:30:10Playing with your new toy. Yeah, now that's, that's not a sucker. Yeah. If you find yourself being like, yeah. What am I, a fucking son? Am I a Pete predish for your like, like, dog shit new ideas? Yeah, that's when you're a sucker. That's a, that's a good point. You're a, you're an easy mark for me to like, dick about with this new idea. One of my friends has a rule where he never listens to the suggestions that anyone's got for software and like productivity, is like, into productivity and stuff. And someone, everybody's known, oh, bro, I've got this new task management app. Loops him with Google Calendar, and then it automatically populates.

1:30:45It tracks all your time, and then you've got the, you can do it on your phone, and it automatically does all this stuff. And he's like, how long do you use it for? And he goes about two and a half weeks. He goes, so his rule is he never takes suggestions for software for anyone that used it for less than five years. Yeah, because they don't know all the problems. Yes, yeah. Why does it, what's the limits that this thing comes up against? What's it like living with this thing today, today, today? When the shininess and the novelties, what is left? When I'm working with people, especially films, a big one for this, comedy, even more so, and any comedy film sense, it's like, everyone's pretty good at their job until there's a problem.

1:31:21So people that aren't that good, that haven't been done it for every year, like really what makes a great sound guy a lot of times is they've dealt with every single problem. So nothing will happen and there's a piece of mind to know, you know, whereas someone that's not that good and a lot of people that are mediocre will always kind of be like, well, this is wrong. And this is wrong. You're like, yeah, that's things go wrong. Everyone can be good at that job when this problem. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's a good way to say it. Everyone can be good at there. Everyone can be good at everything. Like, you can, you can spend six months getting to the point where you're good at this in perfect conditions.

1:31:55But like being good at something means there's not. So yeah, so people that kind of have that thing often You you like hire them and they'll kind of be like well this went wrong and this went wrong And they'll always be giving you things that went wrong and you're like yeah things go wrong I don't know yet. That's why you're hired you're hired to start things when I was When I used to do like showcases in comedy what's that like if you let's say you know They have festivals and you know TV things if you're so people would be on the like that moon tower thing It's kind of like how people auditioned for things for a long time.

1:32:26Like a lot of times they would have, you know, people auditioned this way and stand up to kind of audition if I do and stand up. And I, but a lot of times, you know, especially in the 2017, 18 eras, there was a lot of people that were, you know, shooting up in the industries that weren't actually that good at the thing. So I would always, whenever I was a, I, I always would hate when it was a hot crowd. I would love it. Like whenever I was doing a, oh, yeah, because you're like, if there's 10 people in four of them, like, can't even, they're not even that good. If it's a hot crowd, you're not going to be able to tell which one of those are.

1:32:53If it's a bad crowd, those people are all gonna bomb. Oh, it's the proving ground. Yeah, so I always used to like it when it was, whereas if you've been doing this forever and you're pretty good at it, you're like, oh, I actually know how to switch this. It's like, whatever. No, you're not gonna, every time, but like you might be able to do it, they won't be able to do it. That's so good. So I was, yeah, there's a, I've been using this analogy about lifting on Mars or lifting on Jupiter. So Mars less gravity, Jupiter more gravity. And what you want to basically do is do your practicing where you're lifting on Jupiter and do your performance when you're lifting on Mars.

1:33:25So prepare for the worst and hope for the best type thing. And that's really interesting. I've got my first set of work and progress shows for the next live tour happening starting this Monday that you helped me with last year. And I got the same thing again where I'm like, the room's really cool, it's really dark. You want the perfect temperature? Yeah, I'm like fucking committed. But Jerry Seinfeld has a pretty good point about it. that applies to I think a lot of things, but he's pretty good points. He doesn't make much comedy, but he has a good points on comedy. But he says he goes that good rooms are for exploring and bad rooms are for refining.

1:34:05Oh, that's great. So this goes a little against what you're saying, but if you're looking to figure it out at the beginning, that's not the worst to have a good room or good alert support of. However, I would imagine the most of your rooms are that. Like I can't imagine you're gonna do like, if you did like a small room for 100. Yeah, and people are like, I don't wanna get that energy. I've been loving, I mean, I gotta, again, I need to thank you and you thank me at the beginning, but I gotta thank you with some of the stuff that you gave me last year. It was so fucking amazing. I, if you are a person who doesn't have a friend that's a top flight comedian, which maybe I guess most people don't, But I texted you a couple of times about a few things I was trying to work out.

1:34:49You could have been on the toilet or like in an uber somewhere. And I just got nothing short of pure gold that given 100 years I couldn't have written. Just as like stream of consciousness from you on my iMessage and I still like hold on to these fucking bits. Like it's, I you won't even remember them. You won't even remember what that is like one bit about Amber Heard which was just fucking phenomenal. Like this three -part bit, there's another bit about Bill Cosby. There's another bit about something else. I was like, it blows my mind like to see, I guess it's probably what it must feel like if you have a friend that's an unbelievable MMA fighter and you just know him, right?

1:35:26You just talk, you go for dinner, you hang out, and then every so often you get to watch him put on this very specific set of skills on display and you go, holy fuck, like what's that? What's that bit of you? Yeah, yeah. And it's just this like growth, this sort of like like a bit of the additional side of your entire capacity that nobody else has. So yeah, it's... Yeah, there is like a brain thing of like how jokes work. And I think a lot of, yeah, but so you kind of get good at doing that. And I think for what you were doing too, there was an element where it's like, you know, a bunch of eights would be like really good in this hour, but like when you're actually, you know, trying to put together like a thing that the purpose of this is just pure standup.

1:36:05You go, most eights don't usually make the cut. Yeah. And then also there's usually, I could maybe like had an idea of like what type of stuff. Remember there was one joke where you're like, I don't really get this one and I'm like, listen, obviously do what you want, but I'm like, I'm telling you that's the one that it'll get. That was the Amber Heard, that's the Amber Heard. Yeah, I was like, all right, yeah, I can just tell. I trust you, and sure enough, did it and it fucking destroys. And I was like, that's, yeah, it's just, it's so wild. but yet to think about the capacities that your friends have and to go, I just get to see you and you sort of usually do this thing.

1:36:42And then you go. You actually saw the last time, so when I, the special that I just released, you came and saw the second time I started putting that hour together here. That was like the second time I started putting that together and then that was a two years later. Fuck. What else have you got? Have you got anything else that you wanna go through? I was like, okay, I've rolled from home. Yeah, I told you, I brought a couple of points that I've been thinking about for the last like a few days that it. So I was thinking that in politics, you can either be the funner side or the more righteous side and you can't be both.

1:37:16And it always kind of switches back. And whoever's the funner side, it's too delectable for them to not start being the righteous side because it's like, being righteous is like so, maybe not addictive as the right word. it's so appealing, like you just want to. So, but the funner side usually does better. But when you're the funner side and that expands, the funner side can't help but start being the righty side once you have like a movement. Who's the funner side? So you built a movement with the funner side. I think right now, it clearly like, obviously, at one point, the liberals were the funner side.

1:37:54They became the less fun side. I think that Republicans became the funnest side now probably like, you know, the, I mean, there were the OG like it is fun. It's fun. It's fun to just be like, oh, yeah, America guns like jet skis then to be, you know, telling you what, you know, you can tweet or whatever, right? Federal reserve and immigrants and now I think that the, the, the draw to be righteous is is very strong on both, in my opinion, right now. So I feel like, I feel righteousness coming at me from both ways. Well, it's interesting. They're getting spit -roseted by righteousness. I feel like a little bit.

1:38:35Probably, yeah. It's funny that, definitely one Kamala got nominated first or whatever. It was, it all vibes and it would just brat -summering our way through. She's so cool and it was memes and all the rest of it. But you do have this very moralistic side that's righteous because Rovers is weighed and abortion is such a key part. Yeah. Talking points. So you can't speak non -seriously about what you're saying is an extra -stunnel threat to 50 % of the entire fucking country. Yeah. So you can't fuck about with it, but then you've got this sort of brand. And I guess with Trump as well, his whole thing is to be the, I mean, to flip the table over.

1:39:13I'll drain the swamp. I'll say funny things. And go, well, yeah, but if you do that, what are you actually going to, like, we've got all of these problems. What about the communists? You can't call them communists and just like mean -load your way through tweeting and truth -socialing everything. It kind of is in real life too. There's a little bit of, you know, definitely in comedy where you're go, you know, it's very attractive to kind of be like, I don't even fucking pay attention that shit. But then like, once you do, it's like, it's hard to go, but you know, you, I think that was the big problem, like, liberals had is they all kind of were like, scolding you and then they went back to trying to be silly and you're like, what the fuck?

1:39:44It's like, you always see on stage a guy will, there would be like an audience member who'll start yelling, get the fuck out of him. And he's like, this is a real show. And then he tries to go back to like, some on the bus. And you know, I'm just like ridiculous, right? But I think that on in people, it's like, people, it's like funner to be the like, you know, I'm not, I don't, whatever. And then it, but then it's attractive to be like, okay, actually, this is ridiculous. So it's very, there's always a pull to be the right. I get to lose to baggy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm tight to baggy baggy to tight.

1:40:17Yeah, I think that funny theory that, you know, girls put guys in friend zones, right? So people say, well, what's the guy version of that, right? And the guy version of that is grandmother treatment. So like, so a girl puts a kind of friend zone because for girls, like, that's a, you You know, male friend is like really the most nonsexual thing. Like, you know, where's a guy you'd be like, yeah, I can be friends with a girl and fuck her. But like the guy see friends is higher. So girls when they treat a guy like a friend, it's very like a little brother, like a friend. Those are like very, no, the least sexual that's the lowest run.

1:40:58Whereas guy version of that is grandmother. So you would never talk about anything real, you would never talk about anything sexual. And you I'm sure you have women in your life like that. You're like, oh, how's it going? Like, you know, they'd be, and if they ever said something sexual like, oh, that guy's hot. You're like, yeah, he seems to be doing pretty good. Like you would never engage with anything sexual. She'd be like, I'm masturbating. You'd be like, speaking of pregnancy. Man, he's having another kid. Like you would never engage in anything like sexual. Yes, the grandmother treatment is the guy version of a friend zone.

1:41:28But when does that get deployed? Who uses that ever? I would say, where do I deploy friend and grandmother treatment? I would say a lot of people that are like your coworkers, for example. Right. Okay. You know, like, because of all of the female co -workers you've got. I would say, okay, there's no way to say that. Okay, I'm sure, listen, you're a good looking guy, girls like you. Obviously, I would imagine that if you show up to a city like Austin, there's plenty of girls that are like around that you would probably make a lot of enemies if you just like ran through a bunch of the hot girls in a city.

1:41:56So you're smart enough to not do anything like that. You're not that guy anyway, but like... Friends, girlfriend, friends, ex -girlfriend. Whatever, shit like that, exactly, right? So you would probably just not do that stuff because or or your friends girl. That's actually a really fucking good one. So you would treat them like the way you treat your grandma. That's so fun. You were actually really right. I'm now starting to find like little pockets of girls that fit into that. Friend's ex girlfriends are a big one like. Friend's ex girlfriends is the perfect grandmother treatment. You get ultimate grandmother treatment.

1:42:23You're very pleasant to them. You're very nice. You basically sort of be nice to them. You've detached your penis and like left it outside. The penis is not in the, yes, it's so gone. You're actually in opinions. You might not tell them opinions either. So the grandmother treatment is gay best friend. That's basically what you're trying to position your self as. Yes. You're like talking about, oh, your hair looks lovely and like, isn't it nice outside? Hey, that's friend of probably drift into the, then I was, your hair looks lovely. But if she ever said she, okay, if you're, if you're a grandmother, ex -frenders, if she was like, give you a really extreme political opinion, right?

1:43:00And it could literally be like, you know, like this handler guy's actually the man, you'd be like, everyone has good points. Like there's no way you're not engaging. Just don't engage at all with anything. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, there was a time when I was in the gym not too long ago. I'm one of my friend's ex -girlfriends, like I had this crop top thing on and took a crop top off, huge fake boobs. One nipple was out and I was like, I'm not gonna hot day today, isn't it? And like, can we see? There's a dog over there. I didn't even tell it. I was like, I'm gonna let someone else.

1:43:33I mean, let somebody else sort of, she walks away. That was like a bad friend thing to do. But it was like almost the second hand sort of grandmother. I can't, I can't not. I can't, there's no, I don't want anyone to know that I've seen your boob. I don't want you to know, I don't want you to know. I definitely don't want to address it. Single titty. One, one titty that's out. But no, that's a really, that's a really great part. The friends on thing is so, I mean, it's become like a mess. Yeah, they go, oh, what's the female equivalent? That's what it is. Yeah, friends, ex -girlfriends, and current friends, girlfriends, and shit like that.

1:44:05Like the orbiter thing, or like people that your boys, you know that your boy fancies her. So like, I'm, I can, I gotta do this. The only thing you were talking about is how sick he is. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah, the gay best friend thing comes in again. Yeah, dude, great cock. What kind of other quick one just about that was, There was sort of, I was thinking about, there was this girl that I knew that she said, she was like, I knew the girl and the guy and they were friends forever. And then they ended up being together, but they've been friends for six years and someone was like, why were you, what took you so long?

1:44:40And she goes, oh, I see you never even crossed my mind. And I was like, I'm not like stuck with me where I was like, no guys, you know what crossed his mind? You know what I mean? Like no guys, no no woman for six years. And it's like it's never crossed your mind. And I was thinking about, I think that like men treat our thoughts like a Men treat our thoughts sort of like a friend that's a piece of shit That's like you should try to fuck that girl and you're like, we're not they're not doing that He's like, yo, we should party tonight. You're like I told you I'm having like three beers like and women treat their brains Like an abusive ex -boyfriend and they defend it because they'll write about like articles being like it's actually pretty reasonable to be you drunk texting your ex.

1:45:22Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So because guys, our thoughts are more aggressive. So they're like, you know, do well. And you're like, we know we can't let them out. We don't defend our own brain. Because we're like, this guy's, this guy's too much, man. Yeah. Like, whereas girls like they defend their thoughts, like, there's not, I'm not weird for thinking this. Yeah. You're best friend. Nothing wrong with your best friend's brother actually could be the right guy for you. Yeah, they write the article defending the crazy shit that they're thinking. Yes. Fuck. So that's my other one. Dude, I think that the, I can't stop thinking about that grandmother thing about grandmother treatment.

1:46:02Fucking real. I'm kind of, you know what? I had an old saying that me and my friends used to say forever that just came back and it's kind of just from grandmother dreamer reminds me of it and not related. But I said, we used to always joke that when like, you know, if you're dating a girl and spent like three or four months and she's kind of like, what is this? We used to always say our one friend was an expert at it. You play the groggy tired guy where you're kind of like, maybe like talking with us tomorrow. It's kind of like an employee being like, you know what, we're gonna talk about the region like, oh, you know, what time is it even?

1:46:34Like, you basically act like you're really groggy. Like in the morning, like, okay, look, no, I doubt have this conversation, I'm just fucking like. Very forgetful. Yeah, you act like you're just so groggy, right? And then when we just said everyone friend was like, always looking groggy. so he could never get a new, like, you know, he's never got tricked into a relationship because he's so groggy. But I get a joke we used to say, but then I was watching like interview, I was watching a lot of the like stuff, the interviews with rappers when I was getting into the dragon Kendrick stuff because I'm from Toronto.

1:47:04And I was saying, all rappers do the groggy, tired guy to every question. Like if you watch like no jumper, like I'm trying to and stuff, it'll be like, you know, where were you the night of this? And he's like, fucking, oh, you know, what you ask? Like, every rapper dodges every question by doing the groggy tired man. I was like, it's kind of brilliant. You dodge every question. You act like... Like pretending like you're not in the room. But you're like, what? I don't even, I barely know my name right now. Like, hey, I can't, that seems like a lot for me. I don't know if I'm gonna pick up. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

1:47:35What do you think, speaking of the rapper beef, I really didn't pay, haven't paid anywhere near enough attention to the P Diddy stuff. I know the outline of the story. We don't need to do a 30 ,000 -foot view of a thousand bottles of blue. I'm still looking a lot of them done, too. Is that in any way linked to rap worlds, the rap world? Or is it all just culture and weird sex party stuff? Or is it going to end up being that he was looped in with some other rapper that ended up being... I depends on you, ask, man. If you ask the rap... I don't know how deep the fucking rabbit hole of this goes.

1:48:06I mean, there's always that community that's just like... All of Hollywood and rap is trying to make black dudes banged guys, right? You were the first person to ever teach me about this when we were texting about the cat Williams thing. Oh, you didn't know about that. I didn't know. And you were like, oh, this is the meme of Hollywood. The Hollywood just tries to put black men in dresses. Yeah. And I texted him, I was like, what? You're like, you mean you don't know? Like this is the meme. Yeah, right. I had no idea. It's not a thing. I had no idea that, but this is maybe a further continue. So P did he, it's like the fucking, they're like, would they always make them an address?

1:48:44And Chappelle said it and Cat Williams and Dick Gregory was like, if you watch Dick Gregory, like he has these old videos on YouTube. And it's just like, I mean, I'm sure there's, you know, like anything, there's some truth to it and not truth, but it's literally like every move that was ever made in history is to make me suck a dick. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's deep, right? And to me, as a white guy, like, obviously I find, And I find guys and dresses funny. I find gay shit funny. So when they're, you know, they're always saying this and they're like, they're always trying to make black guys and dresses.

1:49:18I'm like, every one of my comedian friends is also wearing dress. You're like, no, we're wearing them too. Like, you know, but I guess it's white. I think what it is is like white and Jewish, like Hollywood writers, writing white sensibilities for black guys that are like, they don't realize that, like, you know, this guy's gonna get killed if he does that. Like the same way that right now, if you're like, like, hey, if I go out, if you're just like a normal commentator that's like, you know, maybe associated with like the UFC or something, but you're not like a political guy coming out and being like, you gotta get vaccinated.

1:49:47And you got, you know, just like maybe all that stuff. You're like, you do realize this, this isn't like free for me. Like these opinions have like a lot of weight in the communities that I'm part of. And I think that, you know, feminizing yourself to like black culture, they're like, that's the number one you sold out shit, right? So they see it as like, you're, I'm sure there's both. and maybe there is some control components, but I think a lot of it is like, you know, writers that are guys like me, writing stuff for black eyes and being like, yeah, and then you guys fucking kiss without realizing that they're like, yo, his community's gonna like obliterate him if he does that.

1:50:20Yeah, so I think some of it's that. You know what, it carries the weight off with all of this. It is a, again, I totally didn't realize, and I said this to you when I watched the cat Williams thing. Like, it is, you know when you hear somebody that's, Mexican person or whatever, like an Asian person or whatever that's speaking your language, but the way that they speak, like the pacing that they speak at and the cadence and the accent and the pronunciation of everything, you kind of need to tune an old radio in and you're like, I'm like, oh there we are, there we are, I'm fricking in. And it's like that, I was like listening to Cat Williams on a club shake, I'm like, what is it?

1:51:01No, there it is. I'm not trying to beat match. I'm DJ trying to beat match and I'm phasing it up. I'm out of phase. Ah, there it is. I'm locking. It just took time for me to really get it. And then you realize, oh, this is an entire other world. This is the references to different, the people they're talking about, the different, the way they're talking about things. Their assumptions about the world are different. And you go, like, shock horror person from different culture has different world view than you, like it was surprised by this nobody. But I think it was one of the. And it's a different culture in a different culture because you're not even American.

1:51:37Double different culture. But I think, and I've, I keep talking about this, when you're an immigrant in a country that speaks the language that you speak, you're off the knickknacks. No, I have a knickknacks. So spat. I got to know. I'm loving these, by the way. We have in our studio. Good. We have them on, on our show all the time. You're on the rotation. I'm putting a new tonic in Nicknack. Yeah, Danny loves him too. Stimulated. When you're an immigrant in a country that speaks the same language that you do, you forget that you're an immigrant. Because if you're in, again, Guatemala or fucking France or something, you know, you're permanently reminded of the fact that you're not from there.

1:52:16But when everybody understands you, it kind of creeps up on you. And then every so often you try to use some cultural artifact or history thing, or somebody from your pop culture in your past or whatever. And you go, oh, I can't, I can't use that, I can't say that thing. I need to say, so that's kind of like, you know, Bill Cosby or like, you know, the fucking Hoolaid or whatever. And you think, what is the thing that I think this is? When I was here, your queen Elizabeth reference. Exactly, yeah, no one gets my battle of Hastings, like talking points. So very much with that. Bill Burr out of thing once where he said he goes, the number one, I think it was Bill Burr, but it might have been someone else, but he was like, the number one way to start sounding old in your comedy is your references are dated.

1:53:04And it was like, I might have been Chris Rock, actually, one of those guys. But yeah, he was basic, like that's, you know, it's like, it's crazy the extent to which like, old things are just relevant, but you just gotta change a few words. Mm. Yeah, but so listening to, Britney Spears, Detailer Swift, like, you know what I mean? and it's basically the same talking point. I mean, Britney Spears, it's been a little while since she's popped up on my timeline, but my god, that period where she got access to her phone back again, and it looked all kind of serial killerly, but it was an iPhone five or something, and you go, Britney, if you're gonna do dances in the entrance hallway to your mansion, don't record it on a potato.

1:53:44I had a bit of a contrarian view on that, and I wanna go back to the British thing, because I actually listened to your interview with that British guy talking about the differences and I thought it was really cool. But the Britney thing, I was thinking and I'm like you was like that where, you know, I felt I was in the mob. Everyone's like, free this woman, you know, and then she got her phone back and everyone was like, maybe she'd be back in the thing, right? And it was just like, and then I remember a guy that I don't tweeted. He was like, we should have never had freed her. I go, what do you mean we?

1:54:13Like, like, do you think that you like, that's how fucking that's what internet does do like you're a guy being like, I should have never let Brittany out. It's like back in the dungeon with her. And I was also like, if so when your tits on camera gets you put back in your dungeon, like, I got news for half this country. Because so I was kind of laughing. Like I also, what your own self importance? Yeah, yeah, you're kind of like, we shouldn't have, like what the, we like, yeah, we're all part of the mob. And like, what we think about the UK. I thought it was interesting. Like when you, the main things you were saying about how, you know, you'll have a wire people more successful here.

1:54:53What is it about that? And it was, you know, you're saying there's a lot of funny people in Britain, wire all the comedians here. And there's this element of the crabs in a bucket of like, oh yeah, you're gonna go be a fucking famous. Like that's who you think, oh yeah. Like you think you're like, oh, and that is a funny instinct. And a lot of the better people have that instinct of being like, oh, you think you're so good. So how do you, you know, how do you, you know, remove that like, you know, shame and find the balance of, you know, how do you find the, there's kind of two things. One is if you, if you be too nuanced, you won't ever say anything, right?

1:55:30Also, if you be too cool, you'll never say anything, right? So if you're like too cool for everything and too nuanced for everything and like, and then also, So you're too cool to fail, which means you never try anything. And I think that's, it's a lot of that too, right? Too much care and attention and not enough care and attention. And too much pride, there's pride. But it's funny that the self -deprecation and the sort of sardonic wit and the sort of cutting elements of British culture are awesome, but they're also, they cause you to be in stasis because you're so fucking terrified of doing anything in case people take the piss.

1:56:07Yeah. So the very thing that makes you potentially funny is also the very thing that makes you terrified of trying to be funny. And it also makes you a pussy. Like, you know what I mean? And I don't just mean you. I mean, like, I mean, you know, me or, you know, a British commentator is a lot of times I see that. It's like, you know, but sometimes it can make you like, not bold. Well, that's why, that's why someone like a, he is Morgan, for instance, is a bit of an outlier. Like, you don't have a massive number of people that have gone, like, most British people, if you're going to get them and port them over and they're going to do that kind of thing.

1:56:37You're going to be James Corden. They're not going to be Pears Morgan, right? Pears Morgan just fucking, he'll fight you on the beaches and he'll like hold your feet to the fire and bench up here or you and your gun rights, like what, 15 years ago that debate was had and he's still doing it. Now it's about Hamas or it's about Ukraine or it's about P Diddy or it's about whatever. He's just still wielding a big flame sword. He did it in the US, he did it in the UK again. He go, huh, yeah, that's it. Rikage of Ace, like just overcame the concern about it and then goes and just scorches. What was it, the Oscars or the Gold Beasts?

1:57:10Yeah, all the Oscars. Yeah, that he did that with and he goes, oh, okay, that's what happens when someone's able to retain their ability to be cutting, but reaches escape velocity to get out from the self -doubt. And he still has his Britishness in him. Like he's, you know, in a way, he, you know, kind of disappears for a bit and then comes back. Like he doesn't seem like he's, you know, lives kind of a modest life. He doesn't have this like, why am I not a movie star? Because to be honest, there could be that. Like, why am I, you know, Why didn't I become Jim Carrey? Like, you know, he could easily have that attitude, but he kind of is like, no, I'm happy with my lot and whatever, which is in some ways British.

1:57:45Very British. Cultures in America start, go from like, oh, here's a new thing to like every variation of this has been corporatized within like, corporatized and sold within like two years. What like? What would be an example of that? Yeah.

1:58:08Okay, I'll pick a comedy thing and then I'll pick a business thing. In comedy, I would say crowd work would be an example of where a comedian's kind of realized that, oh, doing crowd work would be a good way and people like it and it works well with algorithms, right? And I think that people from where I'm from, people from London have a little bit of, yeah, I'll do a bit of that, but I'm not going to, you know, whereas in America, it was just like within a year you saw every person be like, this is my whole thing, got to the point where people were like almost sick of seeing it. That took a year.

1:58:41Right, the meme cycle was in and out in the space. It like Jimmy Car has done it, it blew up. Let's try it, intro it, get too much, and then it's old. Yeah, and you could say that with like a genre of, you know, reality shows, you know, I would say. Well, superhero movies, right? How long did it go from Iron Man 1, 2006, 2008, something like that, to Avengers Endgame? And then after that, like Thor, Thor, he's doing John Claude Van Damme splits over a set of lorries. Sure. So there's this cool critical drinker, you know him, the sweary Scottish guy. He taught me about this. It's pretty cool. There's four phases, I think, to any media movement.

1:59:22I think it tracks with what you're talking about here as well. So I think there's introduction, growth, maturity, and parity. And it starts off with something that's new. It's groundbreaking. It's Iron Man, no one's ever seen this before. It's like slick and sexy as a superhero. It's kind of not as dark as all the DC shit. And then the growth, you end up still sort of building on what you've done previously. That's like Iron Man 2 and 3. You've got like Captain America. You've got Ant Man. You've got all of these other bits and pieces. is then you've got maturity, which is we kind of know what to expect now.

1:59:57It's not so much about further establishing ourselves. It's about like rinse and repeat. It feels comfortable. But then you've got parity. When you get to parity, that's when you're in decline. And that's when Chris Hemsworth is made to be the butt of every joke. He's kind of this big lumbering idiot. He's a caricature of himself when he was in intro, growth, and maturity. And he is the joke is everything's matter, nothing's actually about the thing. We've seen this with suicide squad that you have to make a movie about superheroes, about bad guys, because it can't just be good -looking man or woman has good intentions, overcomes difficult things and saves the world.

2:00:37No, it has to be this weird upside down meta commentary. And you know how quickly it moves in America that people are left still doing the parody when the thing doesn't exist anymore? It's a dead and they're still flogging this fuck. But that's only, that's like, that doesn't happen in other places because the things go on for so long. So that's the corporatized squeezing and rigging. Yeah, do you remember when, how many, like I'm always, one of my favorites is like every comedian doing, and I love doing it too. It's almost become its own genre, but like the old school cop like rigs, you know, I'm getting too old for this shit.

2:01:09Like you know that. There's like no one's making those movies, but everyone's making parodies of those movies. So the things comes and goes so quick that the parody outlives like the - That's so good. You're making fun of something that doesn't exist. Yes, but everybody knows. Everybody knows about the parody. That's a quick things move. The parody phase was longer than the lifespan of the actual thing. And there's so many things kind of like that. Yes. What was your business role? You know, emo or genre's of music that are like for four years that's all you ever heard of. I have sleep token t -shirt.

2:01:38Oh yeah, you're into that stuff. I don't know. Right, right. Do you still listen to Scar? No, I was like a punk guy, But like, which, when I was growing up, like, Ransid was kind of like, in my opinion. You and Huberman. They were, yeah, yeah, I was kind of like, all the same shit as Huberman. But he was, when that band came out, I think they were like very like defining. And they had a bit of like, you know, that kind of like British punk and Scott influence, then Scott with the Boston's and everything really took over. And I kind of like that stuff, but I was more into the kind of that. The Ransid, like to me, that would be like the coolest band of my generation.

2:02:11Yeah, I've decided that I'm going to start dressing like 15 year old me would have wished that he could have dressed if there was no If he had an unlimited budget for t -shirts like $25 t -shirts. Yeah, so I'm like in neck deep and Polaris and fucking bad Omens and sleep token and bring me the horizon. I'm like slowly trying to accumulate like all of the bands I still listen to and used to listen to but I did this in a you remember silverstein Yeah, you're like why don't I just go buy four hundred dollars with the t -shirts? Yeah, and that's gonna last me for the next like like you're on a laugh, but it's kind of, you know, I'll treat myself.

2:02:43Silverstein? Yeah, they're Canadian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So discovering the waterfront, that the original, original, original record, I managed to find one of those t -shirts, like Olive Green with pink. And I was like, I don't care how much this cut, it was $35. I was like, it could have been $350 and I was gonna buy that t -shirt because it was like something from 20 years ago that meant a lot to me, but it wore it and like, I fucking love this. It's so cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were like band t -shirts too. I've seen you in my old school. Yeah, we're about to do. Yeah. Yeah, I'm funny. Sometimes I'll think of that.

2:03:14Like, sometimes it'll be like, a lot of times I'll be, what one thing that'll happen now is a lot of the bands that, I was so like involved in music that I'm, a lot of these people I'm friends with, right? And then or it'll be like, I'll talk about something and then the guy will like it and message me and then we'll start talking. Then when that happens, I'll be like, you know what, let me go buy a couple of their shirts. So then I'll just go to their merch store and like, buy a few shirts. Yeah. That's pretty sweet. It's actually my special I just did. That was like a pretty popular, like, you know, kind of like punk, reggae band from Kansas called Il Scarlet.

2:03:44And they had a couple like, pretty big hits and he's like a good friend of mine. And I actually wanted to put their song on the my special and that proved. You would have got pop for copyright. Yeah, exactly. It was a Sony song. I knew I wasn't gonna be able to do it, but I didn't realize the extent to which it was gonna be like the nightmare of my life for three months trying to get that song cleared. You're kidding. Oh, I said night there. And the guy was like, I'm trying to make it out. He was, Swav, he's like a buddy of mine. He was trying to make it happen too. So you, that's what you ended up using?

2:04:14Because it is a kind of scar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like a very, very popular event. The people that don't know, I guess. Oh no. If you don't make YouTube videos, why would you? You have to get sort of special dispensation to be able to use copyrighted music in your videos if you want to monetize them. Yeah, good luck. I think, yeah. Well, because you're basically allowing, it would be like Sony going, and he had some of our money. He goes, dude, this is... I was gonna pay them. It's 20 seconds out of an hour and 20 seconds comedy special. It's the intro music to something that's taking me two years to write.

2:04:46Like, people aren't coming and going, well, I can't wait to re -listen to that 20 seconds. So I never stream that song from Sony directly again. Sure, yeah. I mean, that's even 100 % true, but even, and the band signed off on it, but like, they have a deal and that's the deal. But like, more importantly than that, I wasn't trying to do this for free. I was trying to pay for it. Please take my money. Please take my money. You know, they'd put me onto some guy. He would put me onto some guy. He put me onto some guy. That guy would take a week. Like it probably like took me like four or five weeks of like badgering people to like just get someone that would talk to me.

2:05:21Why I suppose that shows just how rare it is for anybody to use licensed music on YouTube. Which is sucks. Maybe that's part of it too, or maybe like they see it as like, you know, small potatoes. Oh right, if fucking Dave Shapowell had come and had like a million, my first special on YouTube and he go, oh my god, it's gonna do 200 million. Yeah, maybe I could have caught someone's attention a little easier. Yeah. Or maybe the song, maybe the thing. I have to say something. Right, okay, yeah, how many people have bothered about this particular, where is it? Do they have someone that's even like dealing with their files right now?

2:05:56Yeah, if you don't know. Kamala comes and says we want Taylor Swift to be our new campaign thing and it's gonna be the front and center. Okay, this is like two big deals. Either way, it was a nightmare, but I'm glad I got it figured out. That's good. Yeah, we use an MGK cover for a vlog recently. And I didn't realize it because you need, you want to monetize the video. If you don't monetize the video, I think you can get away with it like significantly more easily. But it's that they don't you to nab any of the ad sense from them. And a bunch of people message, I'm like, dude, how do you use MGK?

2:06:30Like, do you know MGK? Well, he's like a friend's friend, but I just think turn ads off. I think if you turn ads off, everything gets fixed. You could use whatever you can queen and fucking Michael Jackson. The problem with that for my specific thing is I needed to make sure that it wasn't going to get flagged. Yes. So you need to look at the monetization to find that, but you can't, because you don't have that, if it's someone else's claim. So you turn it on, game off. So I couldn't look to find out if I was getting flagged, which I needed. So that's why I needed to have this cleared properly so I could do it.

2:07:01Do you look at, I have a buddy that he runs the hard times. The website, the funny comedy website, nice to do stuff with them. And he's like an entrepreneur and he's like, you know, built and sold some successful companies and stuff like that. But everything he does is back to like punk. Like, you know, he'll be like in these meetings with like really high -end people and he's telling me about them and it's always it's funny to me, they'll be like, you know, oh yeah, it's like kind of like when you're selling a t -shirt, it's like everything's back to like, punctures, damn right? And I kind of feel like that, like I kind of look at everything like a little like music, which is why I look things maybe different than a lot of comedians even though I've been doing this for 15 years and way longer and the other stuff, but it's like, okay, your, so my question is, do you look at like everything kind of, like club promoting a little bit?

2:07:46Yeah, like all the time. You're the one thing you look, yeah. All the time, it's the only thing, it's like what do you know best? You know how there's a rule, I need to learn this to keep me into bringing it up. There's something that happens between the ages of 12 and 17. The music that you listen to when you're going through puberty is like ossified, it's locked in, concretized in you for the rest of your life. You'll always, it seems on average, have warm place in your heart for the music that you listen to during that period. And maybe it's because of what you were going through as life experiences or maybe it's something to do with brain development at that time.

2:08:21Well, my theory is what I said earlier, which is that, well, you're actually a part of the culture that created it and you'll never have that again. But what if there's a guy who's 35 when you're 35 making music for people that are 35? Does that not mean that you would be part of that culture there? There's something like why - I wouldn't call that a culture. Because old people don't have culture. Kind of no. I mean, that's a little bit true. They might have thought culture, but I don't think that, to be honest, I don't think that they really do have music and fashion culture. That is like a young man's game.

2:08:53Your identity gets captured in it when you go. You can be like a popular artist, but if you have a culture, it's young people. Like what, you convince a bunch of 35 -year -olds to change their entire identity to like, people don't like change their identity really at that point. You know what I mean? And start dressing a different way. So in the same way as that happens with music when you're young, I think that whatever the first thing that you learned sort of framed the world, especially the world of business, networking, social networks, stuff like that, whatever that is, you just sort of, I'm sure if you were a trader, if you knew you had been traders straight out of college or whatever, like writing, working at Goldman Sachs, the 80 hours and the three grandbags of cocaine.

2:09:34And you go, for the rest of your life, you would just be talking about free alpha and you know, like there's a lot of volatility in the system today, you just use it. I do that a little now, but yeah, I know it, Of course I get your point. You would have that as the frame. So I guess that's a beat. Well, the lessons are all like universal, but you need to plug in, you know, it's just like if you're teaching math to someone, it's like, you know, what's the thing? You're like, okay, this guy's selling apples. Like so apple. Give me a fucking analogy. Yeah, so every, you need it, you need kind of like a, yeah, a world, a world that you have, you funnel every lesson through in some way, because the lessons are somewhat universal, I guess, right?

2:10:09Almost everything is, how can we make this Q look longer, which is basically how can you make something look more popular than it is if you need to play with that level of popularity. So in nightclubs, the length of the Q is indicative of how busy and popular the event is, but the length of the Q is determined more by the width of the Q than the number of people in it. So you can just make a longer Q by taking it from five people wide to three people wide. So if you push the barriers up against the wall, it makes the Q way longer. So we realized if we kept it two people wide, we only needed fewer door staff because they couldn't push as much and it made the queue look fucking massive So you're always kind of like is this actually bigger?

2:10:45Or did they make it look good? Exactly, exactly If they just created this funnel that sort of squeezes stuff down One of the other cool things that we did there's this Problem in the UK Nightclubs are open pretty much everyone till two or three in the morning in a city center And a lot of the city centers have got residences that live there and not everyone is obviously a degenerate student that's supposed to be awake at that time. So noise abatement orders, as they're called, trying to reduce the number of, like, anti -social incidents that occur in the amount of noise that people make. So we were thinking, what is a way that we can get people into taxis quickly, shut them up and sober them up as they walk out of the door.

2:11:23One of the things that we decided was we're going to give little kids lollies out, buckets, like good -looking girls, stood on the door with buckets of lollies, people would take them, put them in the mouth, and then shut up. because they had a lolly in their mouth and they're busy tasting this nice thing and everyone would just shut up. So we managed to fix all of our noise abatement problems by just giving away all of the secrets of my whole business here. Well, you're not doing anymore, is it? Yeah, my business partner is, though, so you might still want them. Anyway, sorry, Darren. But we gave does out and it's so good people up a little bit.

2:11:53Got them in the taxis more quickly. It was like all of these tiny little things. That's great, yeah. It's always very interesting to hear. All right, what's one of the things that we can do to improve people's exit experience and make them behave in the way that we want. So like little bits and pieces like that. I mean, you do comedians know this intuitively. You have a peak of the set, and then you have an end of the set, and often those two things are the same, right? You often finish on very strong jokes or one of the strongest jokes. It's kind of like the classic theory. But why? Well, it's because the way that human memory works when we're remembering experiences, the most emotionally intense and the last part of the experience are the two that stick in memory the most.

2:12:37So it's called the peak end rule. So Daniel Kahnman got super famous for this work. They got people to, I think it was like colonoscopies or endoscopies or something. And they were able to track how long someone had been under this procedure and the amount of movement of the camera or whatever. a more movement of the camera would mean more discomfort, so that should be higher pain. And obviously if it's over a longer period of time, people should also find it more uncomfortable because it's been more pain for longer, right? If pain is like intensity times duration, in retrospect, so first iteration of the study, they did this particular procedure, finished it, and got people to rate in retrospect how painful it was.

2:13:20Second version of the study, that did the exact same procedure, but then just left the camera in for a while, a minute or a couple of minutes, not moving. So there was significantly less pain at the end, even though objectively it had existed for longer, so it should be more, should be more uncomfortable. But retrospectively, people in the second group rated it way more comfortable than people in the first group, even though objectively it was more uncomfortable. Why? Well, because the end, which is one of the most important things that people remember about an experience was the thing that they colored most of the experience with, which is the reason why comedians should finish on the best joke, bands should finish on their most popular song.

2:14:00Nightclubs should ensure that the way that they finish a night is with everybody's hands in the air and all the rest of it. If you've got a kid that's scared of going to the dentist, what you shouldn't do is allow them to leave while they're still scared. You should leave them in there so that their lingering memory of that thing is the identity. That's actually a pretty good point. Dent is being nice. They give them a sticker. Do you ever get stickers when you enter the I like a little past book and each time I went in. So what is it? Well, you're excited because you're sticking at the end. I don't think you can buy me off of the sticker.

2:14:29That's what you're too clever for that. Yeah, you were a little easier to buy off. Peek -a -wut, look, dude. Hey, the simple British man. Peek Andrew, fucking, and every comedian uses it. Yeah, it's a... It's a... Loss of nature like that that you want to sometimes fight against, but they don't... It is, I feel like the same as all the stuff you do, but in comedy, you also realize how manipulated the human brain is. And I'm sure like pick up artists and stuff like that, you know, realize that's why they become cynical a little bit. But I always think the one that's funny to me is, you know, like obviously you do three sets of nights sometimes for 15 years or whatever it is.

2:15:11Like you know, exactly like this was better, this was better, right? So I've had a few jokes where I did one of my special where I was kind of doing like a thing about pedophiles, if you remember. And then I kind of, the joke was like, oh, no, you guys don't want that. And then I kind of did something worse. And I'm like, okay, no one laughed at that. But I just say that. Like it actually gets a big laugh. I just say like, oh, nothing on it. Like because the joke is, I'm gonna keep doing something. I'm gonna keep, like the joke is eventually that I just tricked you four times, right? But I've had a lot of people come up to me and being like, you know, they weren't, you know, obviously that crowd wasn't feeling that, but I thought that was the funniest part.

2:15:49And I'm like, yeah, everyone thought that. Like I just said that I just told you that no one was laughing. Everyone was actually laughing, but it's like all it takes is for me to tell you like, oh, you guys don't like that one, eh? And everyone in their mind was like, oh, no one likes that one. And then they come up to me, be like, I don't know why no one liked that one. I'm like, you were there, you heard everyone laugh, but then I told you that no one laughed. And in your mind, you were like, you left being, so you could, the opposite of that is you tell people like, oh yeah, you guys really liked that one A, and they were just like, oh I guess that joke killed.

2:16:22Like you just tell them how they thought about things a lot. So much fun. Isn't this so great? I love being here. Well, I mean, it's the same as the, this is really fun A, we're having a fun time. I gotta tell you guys, you know, Dallas, you have been the best crowd of this entire toy. It's like, hey, guess what? That's the script. for everywhere why because it makes you feel special. I think there's a bit, maybe this is just my only child syndrome coming through. But when I watch comedy a lot of the time, I think about the comedian and I think about my direct relationship with this person that doesn't know that I exist.

2:16:52And I think what you're playing into maybe a little bit that total broscience theory. What you might be playing into is people's, because all of my other ones are so well -rounded. A lot of good broscience theory, man. I think that a good part of it is is the audience really wants to feel, like they're watching this person on stage that everybody's attention is on and is very admirable and competent and they respect them and they kind of want to be that a little bit and they're trying to find the bits of them that are like that, that are the center of attention that are performance that are superior.

2:17:23And if you tell people a thing that makes them feel like their realization was unique to them, like, oh, we don't like that, they don't like that joke and you think to yourself, well, I did and by liking it, I'm like, oh, I'm one of the chosen ones. Yeah, I'm cool. I'm one of his crew. Yeah, I'm cool. I wonder whether it plays into that. There's an old saying in Arda. I mean, I always just say everything's old saying. I don't know if it is old or not, but that it's like, you know, having an audience, a lot of times it's not about whether they like you. It's about whether they, whether they want you to like them.

2:17:58You know, so if you have like an audience, like, really, if you're really killing, It's not so much that they're like, I love this guy. What they really are thinking is like, I think he would like me, you know what I mean? Like all this guy would like, this guy would like to hang out with me. And then they come out after you, like, you're just one of my body bodies, you would like, like they, and so there's this kind of weird economy where it's like, yeah, you're more, so then, but if they want you to like them, like, because they're like, oh, this guy would like, they want you to like them, and then all of a sudden, they're like, they find themselves like trying to get into it more because they like want you to think they're cool.

2:18:34So there's... This guy, Mike is retail. Have you come across? We got him on our barcast. No fucking way. Yeah. How was that? It's great. He's the best. I wonder real. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mike was telling me this story about why he learned game and pick up. And he said one of the reasons was that when he used to be very intimidated by attractive women and he just found himself not being able to be himself. So he'd be hanging out with them. Yeah, I swear to you, different guy. And he'd be like laughing at jokes that aren't funny and like, ah, like playing, like, do what he's like, who is that?

2:19:08Like, who is stepping inside of my skin? What are you doing by doing that? Yeah. And doing this thing, which is because of you, because it does something. So he was getting warped by that. And I suppose it's not too dissimilar to the audience seeing the comedian that they want to like them. So like, laughing, even giving more grace than they should to jokes that aren't that funny because they think, oh, well, I should make him like, if I like it. But it's, yeah, subconscious. It's kind of, yeah, with the mic, as you're talking to, I was thinking that with the red pill stuff, like I think you probably had this conversation, but you know, whether or not they have good points or bad points or whatever, but it's kind of like there's the one central problem where for some guys, they put two girls on too much of a pedestal, which is that.

2:19:52And then you aren't able to like not need them, which is like a very, you know, attractive thing for women is you don't need them. One of the ways to get there is to sleep with a ton of women. Now you have an abundance mindset. One of the ways, but it's not the only way. So I think that's real. You know what I mean? It's kind of like, that is one path to solve that problem. It's like, do everything you can to get so good at women that now you've slept with a ton and now it's like, oh, now it's nothing. Yes. But yeah, I think that the real answer is like, well, yeah, but you could also get there a different way.

2:20:22Talking about the edge cases thing, I think that a lot of the dating advice online, maybe not quite so much the red pill stuff, but some of it, but especially the black pill, more in -cellly world. A lot of that is edge cases. It's guys that I think in the in -cell community, there's a 10X. In -cell communities, a funny word. It exists in the community of in -cells. There's 10 times the normal rates of autism in there. Right? So what you're talking about is, by design a psychological, like a non -typical setup for men who are struggling with women. You go, this proves that women are this, that, and you're the girl, well, you wouldn't say that for most other, you wouldn't say this proves that bicycles don't work because for people that have only got one leg that is, you know, only a small portion of the population.

2:21:16That's so funny thing they don't work, the girls, you're like, girls are broken. That's kind of it. That's kind of it. That's typical meaning. That's what blue pill is. Blue pill is like you believe the sort of Disney princess, the handsome charming guy is going to get the girl and he just needs to play along and be nice and all that stuff. And yeah, it's like, I think that much of dating advice is coming from edge cases, both for men and for women. And it probably is going to always that way because you're like, who else needs it? Yeah. The people that are happily married, they're not trawling red it, looking for stories about how to get it back at her, that girl that broke your heart when you were this like.

2:21:54So yeah, it's the edge case thing is interesting. Yeah, that's 100%. I always kind of felt that there's a lot of, there's a lot of, you know, even like when Jordan Peterson first came out, there was a part of it that I felt like he was really good at, you know, the make your bed talking to the 5 % people. But to me, I was kind of like, I was more attracted to advice that's like, okay, you're, you're pretty good at stuff, how to get great. You know what I mean? So that as opposed to like how to get out of bed, which goes back to the, you know, that's a really interesting point because I've moved through the trajectory.

2:22:27I've been like each different level of like uselessness within the Jordan Peterson verse. That's interesting. So I went from fuck I really need to hear that telling the truth is something very important. I'm basically a man child at 27. Yeah. To he is interesting and I I admire the way that he debates sort of these important topics. To now, some of the stuff that you're talking about symbolically to do with religion and the collapse of the Western Judeo -Christian, I'm like, maybe just not for me anymore and I don't listen to the old stuff quite so much either, but there's certain elements I really wanna dig into.

2:23:00But it's like how grading systems in fucking Brazilian jujitsu work, right? Like you start off as a white belt and the techniques that you're learning as a white belt and the ways that you're using them when you're a black belt are very different. and that's what personal growth is. Now, for me, I needed to like, hey, fucking tell the truth, stand up straight with your shoulders back, stop being such a pussy. Like, don't pick up a burden and carry it or whatever his thing was. That was a big deal. And then as you start to grow, you go, okay, I need to let that go. What you hope is that the person you're learning from is growing with you.

2:23:28And one of the problems that you have of, this is goes back to your, like, are you a part of a scene or you part of a trend thing? What I think an advantage that you have if you are the same age as your audience, as a writer, as a poet, as an artist, as a singer, as a whatever, is that you get to basically just be two steps ahead of where everybody that's consuming your shit is, and you just leave little breadcrumbs behind you, the way that you go. This would be the best older brother in the world. Older brother in the world. Yeah, and if someone gets too far ahead, they leave. So it's like by design, it stays that way.

2:24:01Yes. So you're just sort of chugging along and... Yeah, best older brother is a good way to find. That's the good advice you're supposed to be finding, yeah. Like here's the thing that I dealt with, and oh, you're dealing with it now, and you're like four years behind me, or whatever, or 10 years behind me, or something like that. And I remember what it used to be like, to be like that, and these are the challenges that you're gonna face. And I was in it too, and you go, fuck. But then as you keep... Sometimes you just need someone to be like, you're not crazy for thinking about that. That is actually a real problem.

2:24:28That you need to solve. So that's your big part of it, to just feel less lonely. And like, well, I wouldn't even, that's true, but I wasn't even saying on the lonely thing, I was saying like, Okay, here would be like a lot of, you know, tech and bro advice when it kind of start to first pop it off probably, you know, maybe 15 years ago, right? Spot you've taken over. But, you know, a lot of it was very, I remember, you know, when you're trying to build something and then you're kind of like, you know, how do you tell like someone you're dating that, you know, like, okay, can I slot, you know, what you wanna hang out?

2:24:58Like how about Thursday and girl being like, ooh, fucking slot me in. And you're in your mind, you're like, well, I can only run my life and you're like, what, so you have like, oh, this is your mandatory, like hanging out with me time for three hours, and that would seem like an unsolvable problem that was kind of like, and I, in some degree, I'd probably written it off when I was younger to be in like, your girls are paying in the ass. Like, you, that's really where I probably ended up on that. But then I think there was people talking about you're like, yeah, duh, like if you're trying to build something, like, people aren't gonna be that receptive to it.

2:25:31Like, and you're gonna have to figure out a way to like, like make that, you know, and I'll tell you what the answer isn't, explaining to them over and over, like, you don't understand, this is important and you need to be understanding of how I, that ain't the answer. The answer is to sort of lie, not lie, but like you almost kind of figure out the way to do this in a way that's like respectful of how they're gonna see it. And like, you know, it's like a game, you're like, yeah, that's a hard equation and you need to like maneuver it and it's like, or don't and stay where you are. Like, correct.

2:26:00Yeah, and it was like, but if you are gonna try that, It's like building a company. It's not oh you won easy answer. You're like no this is hard that actually is hard Well, you there's that Thomas Soul Court where he says there are no solutions only trade -offs Yeah, fucking everything just comes back to that so I was wine. The money or the hooker correct cannot Exactly unless you like killer after which case now we're talking uh speaking of that uh there's this YouTube channel I think it's got maybe 3000 subs. It's called T -palettes and one of my friends sent me it earlier on. He's just like some kid on the internet but happens to be the best investigative journalist for internet shit ever.

2:26:42So this hasn't even broken but this kid has done a ton of work. He did just drop a huge video on the Romanian Mafia's links with Andrew Tate and he's like, geolocated on Google Maps. Is he saying the Tates tapped into the... They've left. So, take said it himself that he was working with the Romanian Mafia. That was why he started all of these casinos. With the Gamelin stuff? Yes. So, that was why he started them. And this kid has like geolocated on Google Maps, worked out where they are, then done Romanian Facebook photo caption analysis to reverse engineer where all of these guys are. Then he looked at their tattoos to work out which one was the captain and there's different shaped stars for different levels of lieutenant and general and all within the fucking Romanian mafia.

2:27:28Like looking at Romanian police records and trying to like doing all of this shit, it's fucking wild. Sick. But this gang, what you found out, they own all of these casinos and stuff and there's mostly slot machines, it wasn't playing poker or whatever. And um, this gang, if someone won the jackpot, they would wait for them to collect their money and when they went outside, just beat them up and take the money back. Oh, we're pretty good. Yeah, pretty good scam. Absolutely. Like flawless system. Yeah. So there's this one video of this dude who wins $110 ,000 in Romanian rupees or whatever it is.

2:28:02And the machine's going off and one of the attendants just comes over and unplug the machine. Wow. It's crazy. This is the Romanian math, but they stated in some police report. The only reason I went down this rabbit hole is because Tate's having it out was Sean Strickland at the moment. Do you see that? Yeah, I mean, they've kind of been going back and forth for a long time. Happened again, like today or whatever recently. But yeah, someone that wins money in your casino, finding out because they need to put their address in where they live and then just going around to the house after they've won and they've got money and beaten them up and taken you money back as the most GTA solution for this.

2:28:40That's the killing the hooker after it. So you can't have you take an eat it too, I suppose. Fuck yeah. Okay. I got to take a piss so bad. Don't know what we're all good. Where should people go? Yeah. Definitely check out my special. Seems like the response has been pretty good so far. So it just came out YouTube .com slash Ryan Long comedy free on my channel. Check it out. My podcast is the boys cast, but also I'm just going to say a few dates because I'm doing this crazy tour. But if you are come out, the tour has been awesome. And I'm doing a new hour for Wayne Louisville Sarah Togas Springs Philadelphia Nashville Chicago Las Vegas Minneapolis Phoenix, Portland and then more

2:29:20I appreciate you man. Yeah, you're the best. All right, we're up. Go piss

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