#870 - Cenk Uygur - How The Left Continues To Eat Itself

26:40Which obviously doesn't allow you to sharpen your sword particularly well, because you can actually do it constructively in a way that's aiming to improve and move toward things speaking the same language with the same goals, the same outcomes, et cetera. But yeah, the fact that it's not taken well, internal criticism and difficult questions aren't taken well. Yeah, there's two elements to that. So one is they believe that the role of the media is to do marketing for them. So anyone who doesn't do marketing for corporate politicians overall, but now it's mainly become corporate Democrats. They find that to be deeply offensive.

27:20And unfortunately, they've trained a lot of Democratic voters to find an offensive. So when I criticize the Biden administration. I get pushback from actual Democratic voters saying no, Jank, Jank, you're supposed to do only say only positive things about them. Don't say anything critical because that'll hurt our chance of beating Trump. They've trained their own voters to believe in propaganda as a concept. And I love Democratic voters. And so I'm not, I want to snap them out of it. I want to say, Hey, guys, you guys are generally kindhearted folks. who want to look out for other people. But you cannot have this ideology of no criticism.

28:04Because if you do no criticism of your leaders, you will have very shitty leaders. Okay, they will get power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And it'll make your side weaker and weaker and weaker. And so for 10 straight years, I've been arguing for stronger primaries, actually way longer than that. But it's, I say the last 10 years because they had the ideology of, no, we will anoint a leader and democratic leadership is geniuses playing four dimensional chess and I swear to God they would literally say that to me. They're playing four dimensional chess. Your little mind can't understand it, Jack.

28:39Okay. So we picked the one who's the most pro corporate and who's, you know, pleasure, the donor is the most. And that is the anointed leader who has the best chance of winning. And then they send every robot on MSM. You see a bass chance of winning, bass chance of winning, and then, okay, but Bernie's like he went from 1 % to 48 % in a miraculous run with no media coverage. That was unbelievable, right? So how about that? That looks successful. No, he has no chance at winning. He has not our corporate run. All about has no chance at winning, right? And he got Democratic voters who are good people to believe that bullshit, right?

29:15So I'm trying to snap them out of it. And one of those things that I point to is they're like, no, we should have no primaries. We should just have an anointing in a cheerleading and you're ruining the cheerleading. Okay, had that work out for us because in 2016 the DNC did everything they could including illegally funneling money to Hillary Clinton's campaign through the state parties To make sure that it was Hillary Clinton and not Bernie Sanders, right? And they did as smaller primaries they possibly could And then on the Republican side there was a free for all you remember the old I don't know if they still do it in WWE but They were everybody's in the ring and then they the Royal Rumble.

29:53What's that? Is it a Royal Rumble or Battle Royale? Yeah, yeah, yeah, both of those. And with the starter calling the Royal Rumble, you got to throw everybody out of the ring, right? And it's one against all. And that's what 2016 was. And Trump came out of it. And I keep asking them like super simple question, can you remind me who won in 2016? Oh right, Donald Trump won in 2016. to Republicans won in 2016 after they had a super tough and I would argue vicious private. In 2020, there's no primary on the Republican side, but there is a significant primary with 27 Democrats on the Democratic side, Democrats win.

30:32So in this case, again, they canceled the primary, they say the guy with dementia is the anointed one and don't tell anyone that his brain is melting. I'm like, guys, he shakes hands with invisible people. We already know his brain is melting. There isn't enough propaganda in the world to get people to believe that Joe Biden is mentally healthy. And they're like, no, there is. And then he goes out and he's like, oh, my uncle was eaten by a cannibal. I'm like, I mean, if you can't recognize that this brother is in bad, bad shape. You're trying to deny reality. and it is such a dumb strategy. Forget that it's wrong and it's immoral to lie like that, et cetera.

31:14If you want to win, you don't want your candidates brain falling out of his ear. Like this is not complicated. And that's why I had such blowups with Alan Lickman. Because even after the debate, they took the professor with the keys. He came on the young curve, he's like, no, Biden's the right guy. I'm like, he said he wanted to destroy Medicare by accident. it. Do we think that that's the right guy?" And he's like, no, the keys to side always go with incumbent, always go with the establishment guy. Joe Biden. I'm like, okay, look, if you guys are going to be lunatics, I'm not on board for that, right?

31:47And so that I challenged Biden in the primary, we had a petition 14 months ago to get him the hell out of the race. So that kind of, you must share lead, you must do marketing, you must do propaganda. Dispise it. And that is why we're oil and water. Like the establishment Democrats probably hate me more than they hate any Republican. If you said to them, you're forced to go to lunch with Jank or Trump. I think every one of them picks Trump. They're like, oh, fuck Jank. No, no, no, no. I don't want any piece of that guy. I was listening to the rest of his politics. They did a number of post -mortems, I guess, after the election trying to break down what was going on.

32:28Now, have this guy on? I can't remember who it was, but he worked with Trump during his first administration. And he was telling this story, you know, sort of one of these classic ones about Trump's fragility around knowing things, or not knowing things, this sort of egotism that seems to be pretty endemic, although at least the snappier parts of it are nerfed publicly. And I can't remember what it was. There was something about the Middle East. He needed to know this thing about the Middle East. And one person tried to teach him something really important that would help to future proof them against the situation that was coming down the line and Trump is like nobody knows more about the Middle East than me I already that that's that I've read the book and I know all the rest of it But he really needed to learn he really needed this to be given to him so this dude that used to work there went in and took a different tack because he seems like quite a canny shrewd sort of dude and He said have you ever seen this movie brings up a movie Trump's like a best movie that's ever been made maybe the best movie that's ever been made And he said, well, interestingly, there's a back story to that that I'd love to tell you about.

33:32And he teaches Trump through this sort of odd acrobatic dance that he has to do to sort of get himself to the stage where this information is to be accepted. This is, you know, if there are character flaws in Trump that people really, really do not like and that are sort of out front, this is one of those big ones. this sort of fragility about knowing things, the brittleness around this sort of stuff. And it's wild to me that the very thing that most people on the left would point their finger at around Trump and the nostrils of the ego say, you know, all of the accusations that typically get thrown at him are precisely the thing that they have decided to embody.

34:17as if you ask me an offensive or difficult question, that's dissent, that's treason, this is mutiny, you can't do it. I'm like, you are aware you're taking for your own playbook, the exact thing you see is the biggest weakness from the other side. There's this weird ironic tragedy around that. Yeah, God, that's such a great point. And I hadn't thought of it that way. So it's absolutely true about Trump. And it's kind of hilarious. he's often accidentally very funny. So, you know, like the clean coal one is an example, but there's like dozens of these. He says, oh, you know, clean coal is when they take out the coal and they wash it.

34:57I'm like, no, it's not. Okay. But that's not the important part that he got that wrong. The important part is, if I was going to give that speech, I would think, do they take out the coal and wash it? That seems unlikely. Let me ask someone, right? But Trump never thinks, let me ask someone, right? Hey, if you put this in fact that inside the body, ask that off air. Don't ask it on air, right? Learn like, and he comes out and he's like, no one knew healthcare was this complicated. No brother, we all knew healthcare was super complicated. You didn't know it because you didn't study it. And I'm like, I get mad at the Democrats for all the things that they do wrong.

35:36I'm surprised that the right wing doesn't get mad at Trump for all the things he does wrong Like he never does any homework. He's never done a piece of homework in his life And that's probably because his daddy got him through school anyway, but you're right that the Democrats now have that same kind of Imperious attitude Whereas yeah, maybe they read books and they went to Ivy League schools and they did all that full stuff but But if you say to them, hey, I have a suggestion for you. They're gut reaction is fuck off Can't wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, okay. But you said Trump was terrible for not taking any suggestions.

36:10Why won't you take any suggestions? Because they find the idea of taking a suggestion from someone who doesn't have status as an inathema as something deeply troubling that they would never even consider this gatekeeping based on background, position, social class, social group, whatever, is a very British thing. It really feels like it's sort of inhabited the posh versus proletariat discussions that happen. They're just endemic to UK culture. I've never, I've never once heard an American person use the word posh. In the UK, it is used every single day by every single kid in school because class permeates Everything everyone is aware of it front and center and it's so odd to see Americans who you know we Criticize the left for not uplifting the working class for not sufficiently focusing on the working class Also the fact that Americans kind of almost deny that it exists They get all squirreling it's recently been put into race or it's been put into sexual orientation or into the the the airy that you live in or whatever.

37:23And yet, this just sounds like a lot like class gatekeeping, but just coming out in different ways. So there's a really good reason for that. You're absolutely right about the observation. And the reason is because established human Republicans and established Democrats for my whole lifetime have been trying to make sure that we don't talk about class. They want you to talk about race and sex and gender and both sides do identity politics, and if you're a right -winger and you think, no, we don't, you're nuts, and I'll prove it to you in a second. Okay? But what they want us to do is they want to divide us on culture war, bullshit, so that we don't realize all what we have in common is that we're the 90%.

38:08If the 90 % realized that we're united on those grounds, the top 10 % that are all rigging the rules to their benefit would be fucked and they know that. So they're like, okay, here's some red meat on trans issues. Now, masses go fight each other, right? So the reason why I tell the right, look, you guys are full of shit too. You do nothing but identity politics on your own right. So here's an example. Nancy Mace comes out after the election. Does it look at me, daddy, move with the trans bathroom with bathrooms and go, no trans people on the women's bathroom. That's that's the big issue in Congress.

38:46I mean, we're got 36 trillion dollars in debt. You know, we're a mess. We're not funding. We don't have paid family leave. Every other nation on earth has paid family leave. That's still every time that I fucking hear that stat. It blows my mind. I mean, again, that's because we live under corporate rule. And we've had these corporate Republicans and corporate Democrats getting us to fight one another for decade after decade and doing mass propaganda through mainstream media. Hey guys, don't focus on the fact that you're slowly getting crushed by corporate rule that trash compactor scene in Star Wars.

39:26We're all getting squeezed and squeezed. So that's why Americans don't even know that the rest of the world gives moms 12 weeks off after they have a baby because they are human beings and they understand that of course moms need three was at least to bond with their baby that is a very right wing position that is a very left wing position that is a very human position and that is why 84 % of Americans agree and these bullshitters in Washington tell us oh there's no way we can pass it and so what I say this about Biden the same way that I would say it about George W. Bush or Donald Trump don't tell me that you can't pass a bill that has 84 % popularity and then tell me that you're good politician because those two things are not possible.

40:10If you can't pass that bill, that means you suck as a politician. And the reality is, it's not that they suck. It's that they don't want to pass the bill because corporations would lose a whole seven and a half cents over that. And remember, I run a company. I know how much they're bullshitting you, right? It's not that big a deal for companies that give paid family leave at all, especially issue for trillion dollar companies, they're doing it out of unbelievable cruelty. And so they bought all of our politicians and they get them to go, oh, it's pay travel leave is impossible. Higher wages is impossible.

40:47Universal healthcare is impossible. Everything is impossible. Anything that helps you is always impossible. And anything that helps the rich, all of a sudden, oh, yeah, giant corporate tax cuts. Here you go. All of a sudden, that's the easiest thing in the world. So how much do you think the equivalent middle management bureaucrat, government officials, are shitting themselves about having Elon Musk and Vivek breathing down their neck if this thing comes off? Well, a lot, and they should be. So look, I'm, so if they're talking about actual efficiency and they actually want to cut pork barrel spending, like I said on X, like I said on every show and I'll say here, I'm here for it, okay?

41:30Put me in, coach. Let me out of them. Because these sons of bitches have been wasting our money this entire time. I give one more example from the Pentagon in 2015, they buried a report. Why? What did the reports say that they had wasted $125 billion? Billion. How do you lose and waste $125 billion? You do it by saying, don't ever cut the Pentagon. on your end age or security we're all going to die unless you let me steal this 125 billion dollars bullshit they've been robbing us blind at the Pentagon my entire life now they're not the only department that does it and if you find other is this a waste abuse great i'm happy to take it out but what i'm worried about is they're not worried about the abuse or maybe they are but on top of that they also have another agenda which is oh lean a cons a pain in my ass regulating my businesses.

42:25Oh, she doesn't want me to have monopolies. Yeah, she doesn't want you to have monopolies because monopolies are against capitalism. They destroy capitalism. So JD Vance said he was in favor of Lina Khan. Let's find out. Let's find out because Elon Musk is against them, against her. And so is all of Kamala Harris' top donors, Mark Cuban, et cetera. They were all against Lina Khan. That means she's actually trying to protect the average American. Okay, so if you cut Lee and a con that isn't saving anyone money it's costing a lot of people money, right? I give that as an example, but we go on and on but what's gonna happen is they're gonna cut until they get to a point Where the American people are gonna go nah, we don't like that right so I think where the rubber hits the road will probably be Department of Education and if they go to cut the entire Department of Education As they've threatened to do multiple times I think the American people are going to go, no, no, no, we asked you to close the border.

43:21We asked you to end inflation. We asked you to care about the average guy. We didn't ask you to destroy education and replace it with private education, which you're all going to get rich off of. Right? So let's see how that goes. Yeah. Now that the dust settled, you know, we're a few weeks hence from the election, what's your sort of post -mortem being able to tie everything together? Now the fog of war is fucked off. Do you think this was more a right victory or a left gloss? Was your head fallen on this? Yeah, I think it's actually super clear. People voted for change. They almost always vote for change because the neoliberal system, they sometimes they call it neoliberal.

44:03Sometimes I call it corporate rule. It's basically the same thing. Corporations have gained so much power, which by the way, in my book, Justice Coming, I explain the founding fathers, the American Revolution. not just against the British Empire, but against the British East India company. Right? So the Boston Tea Party was not against the British government. It was against that corporation. They went through their tea overboard because they were tired of their bullshit. Right? And so the founding fathers kept warning us, be careful with corporations because they will accumulate so much money and so much power.

44:38They will use it to choke off democracy and they were exactly right. Right? So that's what's happened all across the world. So people like, I don't get it. Brazil's going left and right, then left. And Argentina's going extreme left, extreme right. I don't understand what's happening. I can clear it up for you. They're voting against the incumbents. They're voting against establishment. They're voting against corporate rule. So, and they're doing it all across the world. So in this case, Kamala Harris was actually, people have already forgotten on this, there was a brief window when she was up in the polling by about seven points.

45:16Now the polling turned out to be wrong by about three or four points. It wasn't off by 30 or 40. It was off by three or four. So in that window, she actually could have won the election if they had held the election that day. So why was she popular back then and then she lost all of her popularity? Yeah. Well, because she came out with populist positions in the beginning, she said, I'm going to end price gouging by these sons of bitch corporations. I'm going to go after what they're doing on housing and I'm going to lower the prices of housing. I'm going to pick Tim Walls and I know a lot of the right wing now have problems with Tim Walls but Tim Walls was a populist in Minnesota that past paid family leave etc etc so she started out in a great direction strategically and she Biden was down eight.

46:00She's up seven. Holy shit she gained 15 points nationally which is so hard and then her moron corrupt brother in low Tony West, who was a corporate lawyer for Uber, was like, no, I've got a great idea. Let's go kiss corporate ass. So he convinced her to put out a letter saying that 90 corporate CEOs were on her side. And he convinced her to put Mark Cuban all over cable news. I got no beef with Mark Cuban. I have agreements and disagreements with him. That's fine, right? But strategically it was a massive mistake to put Cuban on cable news going, no, she loves big business. No, she loves corporations.

46:36No, don't worry, she's not gonna do any of that price as you can stuff. She's gonna let the corporations keep fucking you, right? And then her lead evaporated. The whole end, oh, she loves Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney. Are you guys idiots? Dick Cheney's last poll was at 13%. Who the hell do you think you're gonna win with Dick Cheney? If they just can't get it through their heads. So as soon as she turned around, Anna and I and the young turist started saying, terrible strategy were word were doomed and that's exactly what happened. How big of a deal do you think the woke stuff has been? Because everybody's heard 30 % of the Trump campaign budget went on this one ad, the most effective political ad in modern history, talking about they, them and for you and us, which on the surface probably makes it feel like well that was a linchpin issue or the linchpin issue.

47:31How much do you believe that? Yeah, so at Young Turks we have a total open mind. So I have people to the left of me, I have people that are more established from them. And so we had this huge debate after the election. I was on the side of it made a difference. We had two other hosts that were more leftist than I am who said, no, the ad didn't make a difference. Okay, I'm going to have the same debate with my nephew, Hassan Piker, on Thanksgiving, we do a thing called Janksgiving on his stream. And he's more of a leftist than I am, so we fight for an hour or two, and then we go eat Thanksgiving together, okay?

48:12So we're going to have that same fight. And the essence of that fight is they think, no, go maximalist position and say that, you know, every other president should be African -American trans disabled person and we'll win all the elections. And I'm like, nah, it's not going to work. It's not going to work. And I had this huge fight with Hassan earlier about crime. And he's like, no, it's imaginary. He's like, okay, if you'd like to get your clock cleaned, tell the voters that they're imagining being in danger when they're actually in danger, okay? You're going to get annihilated. And what happened?

48:51Prop 36 was a referendum basically on crime in California. In California with massively democratic voters, it passed was 70%. That is democratic voters going, yes, there was crime. Yes, we were pissed about it and cut the shit out. Okay, move those misdemeanors back the felonies. We're not interested in domestic assault being lightly treated. We're not interested in having our toothpaste locked up but it's CVS, right? This shit is real, okay? So now, but it connects though. It connects with our earlier conversation because the end of that trans ad was, okay, so that position is so extreme and they don't get it, they think it's not extreme.

49:35No, asking me to pay for your surgery when you're not a citizen yet and you're a detainee. Brothers and sisters, I got 1 ,000 priorities and maybe we disagree on whether I would pay for that surgery if I had all the money in the world, right? But we don't have all the money in the world. We don't even have paid family leave. What are we doing giving surgery to prisoners or detainees in that case? Anyways, at the end of the ad, it says, Kamala Harris is for they them and Trump is for us. See, that connects it back to populism. So Kamala Harris seems to be generically for they them, whether it's an extreme position on trans rights rights.

50:18And by the way, I want to be clear, I'm 100 % for trans rights, constitutional rights. I am not for, I have a right to play in the WNBA. No, you don't. That's not a constitutional right. Okay. But if you try to take away their actual rights, I'm going to fight you to the end on it. Okay. But, but that idea of there for other people, Democrats, whether these extreme transpositions, whether it's sometimes criminals, it's such bad framing Democrats, what are you doing? Okay? Or it's corporate goons. There for them and not for you. And the reason why it resonated so much is because that establishment Democrats have proven over and over again.

50:58They are for them, not trans people, not black people, not immigrants, but for corporate donors. So they will never, ever listen to the people. That's why that commercial resonated so much. Yeah, it plays into a wide narrative. This sort of skepticism or this suspicion that people have I kind of feel like that might be the case. And then it legitimates any claim that then follows along that same set of train tracks. Yeah, that's exactly right. And so those two things collided in a way that was toxic and ultimately proved fatal for the democratic chances. And by the way, again on the young Turks, what did we say?

51:35We said, don't go that extreme left. We were right. And don't go corporate and we were right. And so we did that at the risk of losing some of our audience and we did, we lost some of our paying subscribers, it hurt us financially, but it matters if you're being honest or not. It matters if you're authentic or not. And so, what I'm hoping for is at the end of the election, that there's three wings of the Democratic Party, the corporate wing, the establishment wing, that's one, they're the dominant ones, unfortunately, that's Biden, Harris, Hillary Clinton, etc. There's the extreme left wing that I didn't, and Terry and left, et cetera, where you guys, what right wing would call woke politics.

52:15And so, but there's a third wing. That's our wing, the populist left wing, right? The Bernie Sanders 2016 take care of the average American wing. So honestly, that wing was the only one that was correct. The other two wings were totally discredited in this election. Now will we be able to convince Democratic primary voters of that in 2028? That's the big question. I just had an idea. So that three pronged layout that you've had, I wonder how much of the Democratic Party, if that's true, let's just assume that that framing's accurate. I wonder how much of the Democratic Party actually likes both the right and the left obsessing over the identity politics woke stuff because it creates a specter that people can throw stones at that isn't the corporate at side that isn't the establishment side.

53:06It allows them to hide behind the much sexier, much more headline grabbing little nefarious underlink that occurs for the dams. 100 % and guys, what you don't know is that a lot of those culture wars are started by the Republican donor machine. So what they do is they go, okay, let's try to dig up something that the American people will hate that's on the left. So on the trans issue, for example, they started with, okay, if you remember in the first Trump administration, he thought about banning them from the military. And that turned out to be unpopular, because people were like, well, they're risking their lives for the country, that seems nice, that seems good.

53:47No, don't do that, right? So then they moved to the bathroom issue. And then eventually people were like, what are we gonna do? Check people's generals in bathrooms to see which bathroom they should go in. That didn't prove to be popular. So then they move to okay trans women in sports. Oh boom, they got it right. So why are they doing that? Why are they going through all those things? Because they're trying to find a way to have a wedge between us. That's why they're called wedge issues right. So they're trying to find a thing that is unpopular on the left so they could use that against the left.

54:21Why? Because of the same reason that the establishment Democrats do identity politics because they don't want to talk about the economic issues, because on the economic issues, we're all united against them. So they have to divide us, and so I would ask my right -wing brothers and sisters to stop falling for the trick, okay? And by the way... The nut picking occurs on both sides, right? The opportunity for you to find something on the left, which is a ridiculous, margaritale green, whatever she's got up to this week, or even earlier on today, like you can nut pick the nut picking, You can almost use this is the recursive reactive cycle of story occurs someone reacts to it the reaction occurs to the reaction the meta reaction about what everybody's saying happens.

55:06It's so predictable. And in fact, we predicted it. So on the young Turks, we love doing predictions and so for example, like I said about 14 15 months ago, I said Biden has approximately is 0 % chance of winning this election. and right before he dropped up, his staff said, we believe he had a zero percent chance of winning this election. Okay, so now on this ground, I'm not telling you all this stuff about I might disagree with the extreme left now as a Monday morning quarterback and after the election, we started saying it two years ago. We started saying, hey guys, this is wrong direction and we got under huge fights over it.

55:49And so, and what I was trying to explain to them is, Guys, the other side is digging to find something unpopular on our side. They will eventually find it if you dig long enough. And so when they do find it, can you please not help them by falling right into that trap? And their resounding answer to us was no, fuck off. So, so when they got to trans sports, they like that portion on the left, fell right into the trap. They ran into the trap. They're like, yes, no, there's no difference between trans women and biological women. I'm like, guys, a trans woman entered a weightlifting contest. She's in her 40s, okay?

56:35And notice I'm saying she, I respect all of her choices. I respect all of her rights, but she enters that contest and wins by 200 pounds, even though she's in her 40s. There's a biological difference. Of course there is. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, we're gonna fall into the trap. And I'm like, okay. So you think I'm like, look, give LeBron every hormone on planet earth, put him in the WNBA. He scores 200 points in that. They're like, no, he would be an average player. Okay, look, I can't, so they wouldn't listen. And I'm asking right wing populist now. Can you guys please listen? Every time they do a cultural war issue, they're trying to distract you.

57:20It's a fucking squirrel, okay? Focus on things that matter in your life. Does your daughter have healthcare when she needs it? Are your wages higher or lower? Like here, $15 minimum wage. The right wing was trained through propaganda from corporate Republicans. You should hate them in a minimum wage. You should hate the minimum wage. And the propaganda is, oh, if you have higher wages, it'll drive up inflation. No dick, inflation is already here. Higher wages at least allows me to keep up with inflation. So the one you're saying we should move up the price of cars and bananas and houses. The only thing we shouldn't move up is your wages.

58:00Now fuck off. So you can tell me anything you want about trans bathrooms in either direction. But at the end of the day, fight for your wages, fight for your health, care for your family. Does that make sense? It does. I mean, ultimately the job of the political party, first job, the first job is to get into power. Because if you're not in power, you're not really doing shit. So do you think that there will be a reckoning on the left? Do you think there will be a reassessment of the things that have been focused on? Will it result in genuine change? Have any kind or you said that you like predictions?

58:37What's your prediction for this? Yeah, so and I'm also one of the few people in media that acknowledged it when I'm wrong, right? So I thought that 2020 online media was already strong enough to beat mainstream media, and that that's why Bernie Sanders would win against Biden. Because mainstream media is a propaganda anti -machine and they despise Bernie more than they despise Trump. They hate him with every fiber they're being because he's a true populist left person who's actually looking out for the average guy and nothing bothers the elites more than that. So, but I thought he was online media that was backing him and the uprising and so would be enough to overcome Biden.

59:20And it looked like for the first three primaries that Bernie won. He won all three. It looked like we were right. But it turns out no when they coalesced and Obama pulled them in and Clyburn pulled them in and said bootage his global char all you guys shut the fuck up and back Biden and hey morning Joe and CNN everybody shut up Except just everybody called Bernie the most successful Jewish -candidate in American history at Nazi and his followers Nazis Just go do that smear the shit out of them Let's go and when they did that and Obama gave and Clyburn gave that order And he didn't to be clear he didn't give the order to MSM you see a CNN that's more group thing, okay?

59:58And so but when that happened We lost because it turned out mainstream media was still bigger than online media, okay? So I was wrong about that Now in 2024 for the first time online media has been stronger than mainstream media and you see that because mainstream media all said in unison. Mos vote for a Kamala Harris, Trump is great danger. Trump is the worst hurt human alive. And look at this. I launched that I agree with them on about Trump. I think we can get into that another time. He's ego maniac. He should have never said terminate the Constitution, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. But don't tell me that Kamala Harris is perfectly fine.

1:00:41Wish you could barely speak, right? She speaks in talking points. She But those bullshitters for the first time in my life lost, right? Why? Because Rogan, Theo Vaughan, all those podcasts that Trump did got them more views than all the paid media that Kamala Harris got and all the mainstream media that she got. So that gives me some hope not because of Trump or Republicans, but because in 2020 primary that we might be able to win in the primary and have a truly populist left candidate, which would finally give Americans a real choice. Wouldn't that be amazing? Hey, do we go in that direction of that guy genuinely trying to help the American people?

1:01:24Or if you guys come up with a genuine populist, that person trying to genuinely help the American people, but in a different direction. Now let's let the American people decide. So I hope that our side's online media, including the young Turks, is strong enough to overwhelm MSNBC and Windows primaries because this is really important. People misunderstand politics. They think, and this is the mythology that television has been putting out there my whole life. Oh, two sides got together. Everyone in the country watched the debate. They analyze the policy issues, and then they decided which candidate they like better.

1:02:02No. One side got brainwashed by one's media, the other side got brainwashed by another set of media, and then some people broke free of that brainwashing, and they're floating out of non -line media right now, et cetera. So what decides elections is almost exclusively media. So the media wars are going to determine who wins the 20 -28 election as they have throughout. It's just that for the first time, our side as an online media, which is more populist, is now winning. Thank you, Gugha. Ladies and gentlemen, I appreciate the hack out of you. Thank you very much for today. What is coming up for you guys next?

1:02:40What can people expect? So one of the things that we're doing at TYT .com is we got a populist plank and I'm super curious to see if the right wing agrees with those positions and what I'm saying is let's do a voting block and so if your side is true and they deliver on these things, I'm not playing around with any of it. I don't care what the teams are called. I don't care if there's an R or a D on your helmet. You deliver paid family leave, anti -war, money out of politics, whatever those positions that I'm going to vote for you. And that's what signing that pledge means, okay? Whichever side delivers, I vote for them.

1:03:16And if you don't deliver, fuck off. Okay, so I'm not going to vote for you if you don't actually do the things that we want. You could tell me how terrible the other side is and you could both size fear manga. Oh my god, they'll let trans people in all the bathrooms. terms, ah, right? And the other side's like, oh my God, they're going to turn the country into, you know, the fourth right, right? You could say that all you want. But those six policies are all super popular with right and left. So you deliver on this, we deliver our votes. If you don't, again, in unison, we should shout out to them, fuck off.

1:03:54So, but I don't know if the right wing would like it or not like it. So go check it out on t -i -t dot com look at the thing if you like it sign the petition watch the show we do live shows six to eight p .m. everyday monday through friday and every right -winger that watches it goes holy shit they're honest i didn't expect that right and we criticize both sides and by the time we criticize trump they're like oh i get it they actually give a shit and they're not criticizing him just to be a dick to drum or just to be on the opposite side or just because their Democrats are on the left, they're doing it because they have genuine concerns.

1:04:31So come check out Young Turks on YouTube or on tyt .com anytime, sign the pledge if you like it, and at least here are case so you can make an informed decision about which side to go with. Appreciate you, Mike. Good to chat. Thank you, brother.