#950 - Craig Jones - Drugged In Colombia, Escaping Jail & Defeating UFC Wrestling

23:21Plus, they're shit internationally. Right now, you can get 35 % of your first subscription and that 30 -day money -back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to livemomentus .com slash modem wisdom using the code modemwisdom. A checkout that's livenem .com. ENTOUS .com slash modemwisdom and modemwisdom. A checkout. That's insane. That's crazy to think about that. I don't know, you think about that being real outlier, you know, the worst poverty in the world, but I know something tells me this is probably pretty representative for a lot of areas maybe around Africa that have got this kind of poverty.

24:03Yeah, and Ethiopia is like, Addis Ababa is quite like... A flood through that. Yeah, it's quite there. There are some last areas of that city, so it's like, and there's definitely significantly worse parts of Africa. What was training the kids like? Were you able to like... Oh, one. There's another.

24:28No, it was good. You mean the crippled hyena chased X tribe children. They managed the best of them in the sport that you were professional. That's honestly, when I select matches, that's the type of match I would. A opponent I would select myself, you know. Someone who's been chased by a hyena for the last couple of weeks. Yeah, pretty much. Now, the kids are awesome. You know, we're trying to just try to... They're like, they're trying to use Gigi to give them a foundation of like discipline and the teaching of English at the same time. They have sort of a safe environment there. But there were so many difficulties even us filming there.

24:59Like, we were trying to film it. The Gigi to Academy itself is when then this apartment complex and we were trying to film the kids' stories as they were speaking to the camera. And even they're like, like a guy that ran the apartment complex comes out, being like, I see like, grilling us, asking us questions, interrupting the filming, like not wanting us filming it. Like, I don't wanna say too much to get the guys back down trouble, but obviously they have to do with a lot of corruption as well. So it's really, like, I mean, it's mind blowing a thank Lake who runs a program out there, like for him to see his country and try to have a positive impact on it, despite the scale of problems they have to overcome.

25:36It's pretty mind blowing. Yeah, he's going to Pellder. What was the ketamine thing? All right, so I want to say where we got it, maybe I'll smuggle it in, but at one of the campfires when we're out of the tribes, we were obviously trying to entertain ourselves. Some of the stories you've told me off camera for sure, we're trying to entertain ourselves, so we had this ketamine nasal spray and we were sitting around this fireplace just being idiots. We were drinking the local moonshine, so I thought that'd be like a cool experience, but basically tasted like gasoline. The local guy was like, I'm going to go get you guys some of the moonshine.

26:13I was like, fuck, sick. Let's get drunk. And he came back. And it was in a plastic bottle and it basically smelled like pure ethanol. So I had to put that down. You know, I wasn't going to turn it away. And then we busted out the ketamine nasal spray. We were hitting that. Obviously, being quite reflective of the fireplace. And there was a dude there that had just left goat hurting, Goat hurting had been his thing for generations, his family's thing, very proud of the culture of Goat hurting out there. And he saw what would do with the idiots. And he looked at the sprain he was like, he didn't even speak the same dialect as the guys were with, but definitely you see a face that's interested and wants to try something.

26:53He hits the ketamine and he sat looking at the fireplace for two hours, not moving. And then the translator came out and this guy was like never give that to me again and then 15 minutes later He's like he saw it passed that back and then I had to mean I'll do that to you Yeah, it'll be in a hole we in a dark place if you come out of it And then this guy basically gave us his speech through a translator afterwards how he's how he's had all these like vision And then he's like he was working for the I wouldn't even say it's a hotel I just really know electricity or anything that was sleeping in some tents, but he would sort of cook for us And he'd only just started doing this cooking roll and following the ketamine experience He's like I have to live after it turns my roots of go toting.

27:38He's like I'm gonna cook you breakfast in the morning and then I'm out of here You gave a guy an existential crisis with ketamine. I've given a few people existential crisis with a few substances But uh Ethiopian go to her in the middle of the desert. It's definitely a first for me Yeah, I mean look he's your chance. He's your rates. I'm sure he's probably enjoying that more I don't think the cooking life was for him. Oh, okay. So you're a life coach now as well. More than wisdom, that's what we're here for. Yeah, well, it's a hard pivot, but I wonder how many people would sign up to be life coached by you?

28:07Could you imagine what the sort of outcomes of clients that were life coached by you would be? Probably a few large divorce settlements, I'd imagine. Uh -huh. Yeah. All right, who got arrested in Bali? What was that like? Yeah, me like honestly, I don't know how high I have and ended up in a prison really in some of these travels. Yeah, you're kind of like, you've been dodging very effectively. It's impressive. The Teflon Don, you know, we're getting to airport security. Obviously, I look, I don't look suspicious at all. That's what I like to think, you know? But we've, I've managed to dodge it.

28:37But yeah, I know a ton of people. A ton of British guys getting popped even racially into buy with a larger... Two kids just got popped to the clothing company owners, right? For having this big party going on, a friend's girlfriend was someone who's just in the room next door or like nearby, take if you're at a party and the somebody that has drugged, it's like, ah, we'll just lock you up for two weeks and we'll see what's going on here. So knock it, really, really, really knock it. Yeah, yeah, you got to be careful on some of these countries partying. That's the problem with, I wonder whether it's the same with Aussies, but I certainly know that British people have this disregard a lot of the time for the laws abroad.

29:16It's weird because British people are very orderly. Like if you've ever driven in the UK, you'll notice if I'm in front of you and I indicate, I get your lane, like you back off. As opposed to in America, you guys protect the lane that you're actively speed up to not allow that person to get in. It's very territorial. They defend the lane like the southern border, basically. Correct. Well, now, yeah. Whereas the British defend the lane like the southern border a year ago. So very, very opened up. So in some way, 97 % I think compliance with the first COVID vaccine, like 90 % with the second one, quite a rule following the type nation.

29:54Apart from when we leave and we go elsewhere and the sort of party culture, I remember I was a... Fuck, I can't remember the name of the hotel. It's during COVID. So we'd fled the UK, me and a friend had fled the UK because another lockdown was coming and we weren't gonna be able to fly anyway. And we just went to Dubai. And we were watching MK play a rooftop pool thing in Dubai. Everybody there was British because they'd all done the same thing that we'd done in Fled the UK. And you think if there's one place you really don't want to be caught with drugs, it's fucking Dubai. I mean, also maybe Bali and Thailand and stuff like that, but you really don't, they do not fuck about.

30:33And it was just this classic sort of Larry British culture passing bags around, leaving them out on the table. You know, bottle of grey goose, bottle of belver deer, bottle of like unpronounceable pink fucking powder. What was it? I only was playing fucking a word. I don't know. I'm on the UAE. Honestly, I can't remember what he was called, but I just remember thinking this is during fucking lockdown. So it's supposed to be social distancing. You're supposed to be masking. Like, okay, do you get through the new rules that you can maybe say are a little bit silly? But then you get to the ones we go, they've been around for a long time and they're going to fuck you up.

31:07And yeah, British people, but Arazzi's like that. Are they kind of just still go D -Gen, disregard the laws abroad mode? I would say for sure. Yeah, we're pretty reckless as well. Definitely take some chances. I for one. Yeah, I'm aware that you might be and I was assuming that you weren't representative. I think pretty representative. Yeah. All right. Okay. This is just normal. Yeah. Right. You're not you're not anything different. You're just Australian normal burg and culture. Yeah. Okay. All right. Cool. Uh, what about this school in Peru? Yeah. So again, with the Guardian program is around these schools around the world.

31:45well for kids, we're building one in Peru because we visited a, I wish I could remember the name of the city, but it's basically a surf spot. Peru is one of the best surfing in the world. So it's kind of like a, a bit of a tourist spot. So there's a lot of foreign tourists coming in, having a good time party and hitting the bars and hitting the surf spots. And it's created a culture of like a lot of kids dealing drugs in the poverty -strikin areas around it. So where, I know it sounds a bit hypocritical, but we're building a school down there. They basically reach capacity as it is. So we're trying to build a bigger facility for them to expand so they can take in more kids But like I mean Peru the poverty was really quite severe quite shocking I think most people just go there.

32:28There's a muchu -pitu Lima get out of there, but we went up to the Northwest and yeah the poverty Was real bad like lack of clean drinking water lack opportunities so through Gigi to teaching the kids discipline and And they teach me English, provide them a clean drinking water, the new facility will provide them food as well. But they're going to at least make a difference within that little city. What's driving this other than tax incentives? What's balancing the moral... Oh, this is comic retribution. Yeah. Basically, yeah. That's what you've done to Gabigasi, you feel like you need to repay the world.

33:06I would say I was the victim of the Gabi Garcia thing to truth be told, but there have been many victims of Gabi Garcia as I've told you off camera But yeah, I mean it does feel good to do to make a change like that Mm -hmm, and I'm trying to like change the narrative a bit on charity because most of the time People tune in to watch some sort of charity documentaries almost like like sadness, porn or something, you know what I mean? Where it's, and then the... Took me at the heartstrings, making you feel bad. Here's some guilt. And then there's the guy that's like almost the savior, too good to be true to type character.

33:42So I'm trying to balance it out by at least providing a cemented time and value, some realness, and most importantly, going to these areas where kids are selling drugs and buying those drugs so that they don't have... Oh, that's where the money goes. Yeah, that is actually tax deduction, I believe. to reinvest into the local community. Reinvesting into the community and improving exports. Okay, good, pretty good. What is it when you're building these places? Who's actually on the ground doing it? You've got to find some fixer, local person to actually operate all this stuff. You can only fucking sat there.

34:22I wish I could. So does this family. But yeah, obviously, as you know, I'm an incredible judge of character through and I've never met any mistakes hiring or associating with people in the past. So it is very difficult, luckily Guardian really chooses the right person because again, like you're running a charity program for kids, you got to be very careful. Discerning. You got to be very careful who you put in charge of those kids. I thought it's very, I would say that is more difficult than any other part of the process is finding the right person for the job. I've been wearing my wop for over five years now, as in Sway before they were a partner on the show, it is the only wearable that I've ever stuck with because it quietly tracks everything that matters, my sleep, workouts, my recovery, my breathing, my heart rate, and even my steps.

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35:46And what would success look like doing this more? I mean even just help him one kid you know like if once you go down there you meet the kids You sort of like some obviously some of the kids are really talented, charismatic and you see them and you think With a little bit of help maybe they have a chance to change their life, but on the on the flip side of that If kids drop out of the program that you're aware of that's gonna be quite devastating as well What about Brazil? You spend some time now? Yeah, so we went to Brazil We did a clothing release with street X and it was basically Brazil themes and And we chill, we were basically trying to take some cool photos and videos.

36:26So we're trying to recreate the Gracie origin story back in the day where the Gracie's would go there. There's a famous video of Hicks and Gracie going to the beach and slapping this dude that had been talking shit and then they brought on the beach. Our version of that was to go to the beach, get extremely drunk with the local bartenders and then have challenge matches against the bartenders. And that was our reincarnation of it. and then the barter, we were trying to get into the Favellas. You know, you want to see the Favellas, I've heard so much about them while places. So, I just trusted this barter and this guy was like, oh, you want to go to the Favellas, I'll take you.

37:03Drunk at the time, we agreed to do this. Next day, picks us up, takes us into the one of the Favellas. Drops us right at the top, and on the way out, we had to stop filming. You know, let us film any of the dudes with guns. You know, let us take photos with the guns, despite me asking many, many times and they have some like impressive weaponry up there, even like RPG launches to take out police helicopters and stuff. And I remember we get to the top of the hill. He drops us off at the very top, turn around. There's a guy with a gun and he's like looking at us and he basically get the local bartender introduced us and then he saw the cauliflower is and was like, oh, jujitsu, jujitsu.

37:42And he is like, I competed in the last world championships when it used to be Haudenville. So we got the free pass from there. And then I realized behind him, this was the motorcycle pickup point for all the drug pickups for people making orders, right? And he goes, oh, do you want anything? And I was like, I went to say, obviously, yes. And he's like, no, you're a judo athlete, not for you. He's like, okay. So first off, you were saved by being a BJJ athlete and then disappointed by to. Yeah, the Lord give us and take it away. We were like the ketamine goat herdsman at that point, you know, we back to our jiu -jitsu roots.

38:20Yeah, but I mean, we had the free pass. I mean, I think it's a lot safer and like the guys were quite insistent on wanting us to show that the favelas can be safe, you know, because they just have such a bad name. So they're quite appreciative when you show the favelas in a positive light because it's not as bad as we will think like really when we were walking around up there, we realized there are safe points, like especially this one for Vella, forget the name, but it overlooks Bayse the Rio coastline. And it's like, the Fugallas have a bad name. Obviously, some of them deserve that. But for the most part, the people out there were super cool, super welcoming, super nice.

38:54So this is one of those super narrow streets, rickety, corrugated, iron, tin, roof type places. Yeah. And you like at the very tip, I was at the very, near the very top, I would say there's some like clubs and some restaurants that are probably pretty tourist friendly. and then but as you do the walk down you kind of need someone there with you so he'd given us this kid That must have been 15 who threw the red shirt over the shoulder, which was the signal to the people above that Don't rob these guys I assume no way because we had some expensive camera Quimmer with us So that's the pass to get through so now anybody that's got a red shirt thrown over the shoulder walking through for Valor Just unless they changed the color code in which case that that means something else it tend to be a blood and you're all good Wow.

39:39So it seems like you've been capturing a lot of the content from this. I haven't seen shit tons of favela Brazil content. Is there some latent documentary thing coming at some point? Yeah, I mean, we have the content. We have a lot of it out there, but I mean, mostly just social media. And you know, like I'm pushing, I would say, people like you have ruined the YouTube experience where it used to be incredible vlogs, cinematography, well, artistic sort of things. and then it's just been taken over by the podcast guards who have gained the algorithm for maximum ad revenue. But yeah, so I must use it for socials or photos, things like that.

40:17Memories when I struggle to remember them. What about Venezuela? Yeah, so Venezuela was another interesting destination. Obviously, sanctioned country, US citizens can't visit there. So not allowed to visit there? Yeah, US citizens are not allowed to visit there. I think because the Venezuelans say that you visit there are the American people, so the you come visit there. I think America's sanctions on Venezuela have caused Venezuela to basically block you. I think there is a path, but it's a very difficult path for US citizens to get into. So just the sheer thought of a country without Americans, I was like, sold.

40:54That sounds brilliant. That sounds like a peaceful oasis. So I set up sort of a charity seminar down there. And the the GigiCin was actually quite big. So we went down there and pretty heavy experience when you get to the airport and stuff like it's like, where did you fly from? I fly from Medagin. I think it was straight off to Medagin. I think I went up to Cata Hainer again, say I loaded some old friends, and then flew straight from Medagin to Venezuela Airport. And I had some guys on the ground that will help me out, but like it's bizarre, like the airport security. The immigration part of it is like, obviously all the Venezuelans are gone through and then I'm just standing there alone for two hours while they're using WhatsApp to message the security people to work out whether they wanted to tame me or not.

41:42And I shouldn't be able to Instagram until this guy's fucking idiot. He's not going to do any harm, let him in. And then we went on a bit of an adventure there. We went out to Angel Falls, To Welles Tulls waterfall, beautiful experience out there. We said, I love the resort, for taking care of pretty damn well. The only thing is that obviously my friends and family, Venezuela is typically a pretty dangerous country. I think 10 million people fleet it over the last X amount of time. I see a lot of Venezuelan immigrants getting around and it has a bad reputation. So when I went to Angel Falls, I had already smashed my phone in a drunk incident.

42:23And I remember being like, oh, I found it's a waterproof. So we were walking through waterfalls and shit, nice to start. I was starting to film. Phone died and I'm like, I was off the grid for three days where people just not knowing where I was, if I was okay, what happened. I think I got an SOS signal out there at some point. Just everything was all good. And then my cameraman met me at a later date in Venezuela and we're able to get basically a communication without the government. I imagine that was finally blessed for you. South to have been liberated from having to look after him for three days.

43:00I'm sorry, I was getting calls from some miles. Oh, I see. Yeah, we had a... We had a companion send out SOS signals. I mean, that... I was okay. South had to get me a new phone and get a hand delivered to me. I think I had a later location. And then again, it was another location I brought in Falkanowski's coach, Joe Lopez. So you brought him to Venezuela. Wouldn't have been a swaler. Fantastic. And he, again, any excuse for him to use his Spanish on protecting women. Yeah. That is like the bad signal for him. He will arrive. And yeah, we had a bit of a blow out the last night. Good. What's Venezuela like generally?

43:37I mean, honestly, one of the most beautiful, if not the most beautiful country I've ever seen in my life. Incredible. Angel Falls area. Amazing at the north. along the coastline there, some of the most beautiful coastline in the world. I think it's a tragedy that it doesn't have a tourism industry for Americans, because it's right. It's so close. But yeah, I would say, and I'm not just saying this to a fan of Americans to come, is it there, but it is the most beautiful country I've ever been to. So you were allowed, was that because you would have come back into America with a Venezuela stamp on your passport presumably.

44:13Yeah, and this is, you know what's funny is, I got cleared for global entry. I don't know how. Like, if you looked at my pub, Ukraine, Venezuela, like, I should, whatever it is, the test is not working. Yeah. Because I passed the initial stage, but I had to have the interview. And I just left Colombia and Venezuela, and they forced me to do the interview at that border entry. And the guy was like, oh, yeah, pass. And I was like, you think you'd leave a sanctioned country? I'm really testing the limits. So do have a tattoo reveal for you. You've got a tattoo reveal? Yeah, I'm really testing the limits of US deportation here.

44:49Okay. And really it's based on the idea that really there is an avenue out there for an all expensive paid trip to the beautiful country of El Salvador. And it just comes at the small price of a tattoo. So just stand up for a second for me, put that. Oh, you want to get it out? Marvel at the size of the quad, so thank you, Pierce.

45:21You got the connection, though, if I get sent out. Tim Candid to come and fix you. Yeah, well, I mean, we need to pull in some government favors when that deportation, when they come for me. You got an MS -13 tattoo. But I know it was a bold choice. We're just saying it makes you out the other day and I thought it'd be a funny idea. And then you got your feet tattooed. Yeah, that was a mistake honestly. He was was my vision right. In Gijitsu people often criticize Godpullers, people that scoot on their butt along the ground right. And I always do this. Stand up, stand up like you're a man if you can wrestle right.

45:54So then I had the idea that off lay flat on my back it says, fuck you. I stole this tattoo idea off a guy that trains at Scrappy MMA and just didn't credit him at all. But he had it as well. I was waiting to share it. Scrappy wore Jack Delatrain and this guy comes up to me the whole way and goes, Jack this out. And I was like, that's fucking genius. So when I was in Perth, I was like, fuck you're the same tattoo. That was one of the most painful experiences of my entire life. And it didn't heal. It was the dumbest idea ever. Jack Delas fighting for the belt. And I'm like, oh, fuck it, I'll get my feet tattooed.

46:29So then I had to train with him for his title where my feet were an excruciating pain, healing. I was, it's bad spot. Usually the tattoo's the worst part. This was like, the tattoo was very fucking bad. But the healing process was significantly worse. Why? We're just walking on all the time, you know? It's like, you know. And you can't rest in your own mats and it's ripping it back up. Yeah, and I'm not gonna be like, oh, sorry, Jack, I can't help you prepare them because I'm a fucking idiot. I got two stupid tattoos. Yes, I just kept taping it up, putting socks on and training. I've been debilitated by seven letters.

47:02Yeah, that's one of the worst decisions of my life. And that says a lot. Well, I mean, the MS -13 one is yet to be... Yeah, we'll see how that goes. Breaking news. First of Shady Aman in El Salvadorian president. There's a part of MS -13.

47:17Fuck. I got it in Mexico too, which I was a bit... I was in Nuevo Laredo, which is not the safest place, and I remember being like, should I be getting another gang status in Mexico? But the guy thought it was hilarious, so we're good. Okay, what's the nomadic life like for you? It seems like you like it. I get brief windows when you're back in Austin for two days to wash your pants and then turn around and go back again. What's the best and what's the worst about it? What's good and what's bad? I mean, I don't know. I just get bored in a place. I kind of in a place too long. I just get a bit stir crazy.

47:56I want to go somewhere else. Someone sends me a message. There's an opportunity and adventure. I like the idea of an adventure. Maybe it's a middle -life process. I don't know, but I do love living out of a suitcase and just being out of travel. I think it's a totally different experience if you're staying at hostels. I think that's the vision people have. Living out of a suitcase to it at European backpacking trip or South American band. And derailing. Yeah, but if you can afford a semi decent hotel, it's actually something bad. And what's the worst parts about it? What are the things that you don't like?

48:30Carrying a fucking massive suitcase around the entire time. That's where Seth, again, the personal assistant comes in and he meets me in destinations for wardrobe changes and Xanax resupplyance. That's basically keeps me going.

48:47Tired to back pack for climates, you know? Yeah. I defeated a gay cowboy hat in there too. That's true. That's true. What's happening with CGO 2? We're not far off now. CGO 2 is back August 3031 in Vegas, Thomas Mac event center. This time we're mixing it up. I think the first event, we won that battle. We proved sort of the judges who can be exciting. might have to fight a woman to do it, but it can be, that's what Lua Juin, you heard about me fight a woman, you were like, I'm there. Yeah, well I don't, it's weird because I got all of this inspiration from an Ethiopian tribe about how you should treat women.

49:26And then thought, right, I'm gonna get to see this play out on the big screen. Honestly, the worst thought I have when I saw the women getting whipped was really like, I wanna be like, guys, we can do this emotionally. I was gonna see you in the last cast lighting. I was like, save your shoulders. You need stem cells, Columbia. but yeah, CGI 2 will be a team's event. So the most exciting event I've ever participated in was a Japanese event called Quintet, which... Did they make it up? Who made up Quintet as a small... Kizushi Sakuraba, famous Japanese MMA fighter, and it was his contribution to grappling.

50:02And I mean, it's sort of an iteration of a wrestling meat where guys are fighting off of different divisions, but it had the last man standing sort of dynamic to it. And I didn't just wanna do CGI1 same format again. Obviously we gave away $2 million fucking expensive. I thought how can we cheapen out a bit on this event? I was like, all right, teams of an $1 million prize pool. Cause really a lot of people, CGI1 sort of showed who the two best athletes in the world were. And there's a lot of contention about really, who's the best team in the world. So I was like, let's try and do real teams.

50:36you pick your five best guys, five sort of ADCC Olympic divisions and we'll do a last man standing starla vent and we're gonna add in with obviously heavily inspired by Quinter Quinter with Ben Hillhooks and then Mayfly does a terrified of leglocks I don't know why they always do that so a leglocks are allowed for us and we're boring obviously from wrestling so Royal Rumble style entries So it's basic like when we do Quintet, the team lineup would already be predetermined. So you kind of like last man said like, you submit your opponent, you can't, you know who's next. We're going to leave that a mystery so the coach on the sideline can basically be like, he's got to get submitted, he's like, oh, send in.

51:21That's kind of a yeah. Yeah, it's going to be like, it's going to be a big impact for the crowd. Oh my God. Who's going next? Oh, that's cool. It's such one person from each weight category. Yeah, so like we'll put basically the ADCC way divisions like you take your five best guys we take out five best guys And we'll see it so be eight teams match up over the two days I'll be competing as well unfortunately. I'll be facing a character that somewhat resembles Gabi Garcia, I would say but that would be Gabel Steven. Who's this guy to get wrestling? Olympic gold medal wrestler American wrestler He would be 125 kilos or for the unintelligent to 165 pounds Massive size to screbency.

52:06I think I think I'm weighing like Man rule right right now. It's been a tumultuous couple of months, you know It was good to few people. I'm a desiccated diet. Yeah, I mean part of that is handy capping myself Because I am facing a wrestler and wrestlers all they have is takedowns once he hits the floor They have no idea what the fuck's going on. And we basically, we try to prove that when Volcanovsky outgrab all these line mac and chev and Jack Della outgrab and below Muhammad, Australian Jiu -Jitsu trumps all forms of wrestling. We've found the cure of the antidote. So really, for me, I'm going to face off against this giant, absolute giant human being who only has wrestling.

52:50And what's the rule says? Three by five minute rounds. Okay. One minute break in between. All submissions legal. He's gone into a career in MMA in the future. So he's pivoting. He's pivoting, yeah. Okay. So it should be a fun one if my spine doesn't get broken. I'm really testing the boundaries of insulting his lifelong work of wrestling, tearing apart wrestling and some slight racial innuendo jokes in there as well. So like I'm scared he's gonna sap one of these days and actually do some damage to me. These seems like a good sport. Yeah, he has been excellent sports so far. We're gonna release it soon, but we just recreated the dirty dancing stand together.

53:32Me lifting him obviously. This episode is brought to you by Shopify. Look, you're not going into business to learn how to code or build a website or do back -end inventory management. Shopify takes all of that off your hands and allows you to focus on the job that you came here to do, which is designing and selling an awesome product. Shopify powers 10 % of all e -commerce companies in the US. They are the driving force behind Gymshark and Skims and Allo and Nutonic. And that is why I've partnered with them because when it comes to converting browsers into buyers, their best in class, their checkout is 36 % better on average compared with other leading commerce platforms and with Shop Pay, you can boost your conversions by up to 50%.

54:11You can upgrade your business and get the same checkout that we use at Nutonic with Shopify by going to the link in the description below and signing up for a $1 per month trial period or by heading to Shopify .com Slash modern wisdom or lowercase that Shopify .com slash modern wisdom to upgrade your selling today. Yeah, I've heard that you've fixed the UFC's wrestling problem. I heard that you've solved it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, everyone's UFC's on the decline to many boring ass wrestlers taking other divisions. So So USC basically called me and they said, hey, can you help us out? Can you help Jack Della beat Belama Hammett?

54:47And we just fixed his wrestling overnight. So now we've got exciting strikers taking the belts. What's the strategy? How do you beat wrestling? I mean, first of all, you're not going to have the most intelligent human being in the sport of wrestling like some of us articulate high social skills people in Jiu -Jitsu. You know what I mean? It's basically jokes for the autistic people. We're going to win the war. You know what I mean? And really, they have the tag down. They have the initiation, but they have no follow -up. They're confused. It's like a dog chasing a car. They don't know what to do once they get it.

55:24In wrestling, they get the pin. It's over the referee saves them. They stand by a car. That's where Jiu -Jitsu takes it. So it's a huge hole in their game. We'll forget about American folks are wrestling completely. And we'll just talk about the broader type of wrestling. But yeah, for me, it's not a big problem. Get taken down. That's what we take over. Hmm. Sit down. So it's sitting down in a solution. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the joke of the sport. Imagine if you spent your whole life dedicated to an art where the goal was to take the other person down, but you never spent any time, thought, or effort into thinking what you'd do if the fight continued on the ground.

55:59That's the most funny, humiliating thing to me about the sport of effort. So how do you think of fight with Gable Steve's and is going to go like just Roll the clock forward for me roll the clock forward Again handicapped myself. I've decided to not train for this match Just like I didn't train with the Gabby Garcia match show the same level of respect for both good life opponents there and Really I'm just gonna come out sit down. He's gonna come for he's gonna well first of all he's gonna just be like If he could read, he'd be angry. You don't know me, but he's a wrestler. So you're going to see that fee.

56:35It's going to be trying to read it, be confused. Maybe a bit of a rouse. It comes forward and gets leg lock straight away. It's basically my vision. And I'll try and show some mercy here. Like we've done a lot of damage this year to wrestling. Americans in general as well. So maybe we let him out of a few. But we'll definitely take him out. But he's 265 pounds. How heavy does he need to be before it becomes hard for you to do as a wrestler? Well, that's part of the training protocol. We're finding heavier and heavier dating partners to feel the experience of being under such a heavy creature. Uh -huh.

57:14And I know you've pointed me in the right direction as some bars in Austin where we'd find this. Mm -hmm. And Gabel is just the next iteration of this. But yeah, basically he's like a giant athletic woman that can do handstand back flips. He can do some athletic maneuvers. So let's see, let's see, in the midst of trying to read for the first time, falls over and loves you. All right. So your feet tattoos are an attempt to try and confuse people. To confuse him, yeah. No, so it insults the people that can read and confuse is the ones that can't. Yeah, a little known fact. A lot of wrestlers are just like that.

57:51Okay. Does that change the way that they wrestle? I don't know, but the feet will definitely throw out. Spanner the works for my thing. What was the fallout from ADCC around? Because presumably that happens every two years. Every two years. So that's not going to be a competition this time around. So it'll be easier to get more teams, more people, more spectators, etc. Yeah. So like last year we went head to head, we were mildly offended by petty things. the owner said. So we decided to host an event the same day on someone else's, uh, with someone else's money, which is always the best tactic, as you know, it new tonic.

58:29But really, the full out was, I think we just saw civly one, but this is a good opportunity actually. ADCC is on flow grappling. And I have just signed, I would say, and it's not saying much, the most essentially take over flow grappling. So it's kind of a corporate takeover. So flow grappling hosted ADCC, they had the subscribers. I went on a malicious onslaught of an attack against ADCC and as a result, flow grappling as well. We tore them down to a point of vulnerability that now the only person they could call for help was me, essentially a corporate takeover. And now they've basically given me the reins to save grappling.

59:17So what have they done? What's the deal? I can't talk too much about it. Floodgrapping usually is a streaming platform to host events and original content. CJO will remain free on YouTube. I mean, I'm basically going to run the operation now. We're going to fix the damage we did. We're going to try and get the fan base back. You've caused the problem and now you're selling them the cure. Exactly. Sounds like my dating love as well, really. But that's the gaslight incoming back in. The gaslight incoming back in. Yeah, but we're working together with Flo now. Now, you know, because there are big enterprises trying to enter the sport of grappling, and they're trying to lock athletes down to exclusive contracts.

59:59Again, they're going to try to monopolize the sport of grappling. And grapplers, whether it's barely $3 to throw together as it is, if this big organization were to monopolize the sport of grappling, the athletes themselves would lose the leverage for negotiations and getting their true value from the different events out there, like obviously we've got one championship as well. The big three would be one championship flow grappling and UFC fight boss, right? So if one of these were to take over completely and create them monopoly then they would not have any incentive to pay the athletes more.

1:00:38You're able to negotiate where else are you going to go? Yeah, or even put more effort into the spectacle of grappling. Like Why thoughts are if fake grappling is one of the most entertaining things in the world, WWE, why can real grappling not be that? And I believe that's the root of professional wrestling was they used to actually have real matches, but it was too boring for the fans to watch. So they decided to have real matches behind the scenes. And then the winner of that would determine the winner of the professional show. No way. Yeah, and so we're trying to steal, I want to steal the theatrics obviously Vince McMahon, personal hero of mine.

1:01:16I'm really trying to steal what he did for professional wrestling minus his personal life and bring that to the sported digits. And I think if we borrow from professional wrestling with the spectacle or even in the history of MMA, like in Japan, these have an event called Pride, Pride Ultimate, they got shut down because you're using connections, but they used to put on an incredible spectacle of an event. They just put a lot of effort into the production, into creative ideas to happen event. So meeting the promoter, being the promoter of this event, I'm trying to push the envelope and creating excitement in the event.

1:01:53And I'm worried that if any one of these organizations were to get them monopoly, well, then there's really no reason for them to push the envelope of the events, athlete pay, because they've already controlled the market. What else can be done to make grappling more exciting? I mean, here's a thing. Anything's exciting if there's a storyline. Like so, the more we invest in the story, whether it's fake or real, the more we get people invested in each of the individual athletes or the teams or whatever, the more excited you are going to be to what you take place. Like, there's been some boring MMA fights and boxing fights out there, but the hype has been so good that even though even when you're watching the live event, you're sort of on the edge of your seat.

1:02:41So as long as we invest in the storyline and build up the event, CJI had a, CJI won had a huge benefit because it was, the story was basically CJI, first ADCC. So we create this division and people were invested in picking aside. So when you leverage storylines like that to invest people's time and energy into actually watching the event, whether the match is exciting. I enjoyed some of the fights at CGI. I think one of the issues that you have, the art forms are subtle that for a muggle like me, to fully be able to understand the nuance of exactly what's going on. This is where actually being within earshot of the commentators made it way easier because they were able to translate for me what was going on.

1:03:31You can tell when people are on their feet and they're spinning around, there's like, you know, a packet, Routolo, that fight was fucking spectacular, right? And I total idiot normal person, like I can tell there's something exciting going on here, but I do wonder what, and I think that you guys helped with slanted walls with tighter time limits, with different modes of scoring. I think that you spoke about this last year that that helps to incentivize people to not fight in a more boring manner, to make it more of a spectator -friendly event. Yeah, and real, I mean, that would be one angle of really why I'm trying to fight these exclusive contracts is like, TAC of us, Kade Ritoli, is one of the most exciting matches in history.

1:04:16If both these guys get locked down exclusive contracts, we may never see that rematch. But in terms of making grappling exciting, yeah, that is a tool order to do. But I believe the quintet format is what will make it exciting. The last man standing style where we have teams, right? Because if there's inactivity in Gijitsu, it's boring. When nothing's happening, it's boring. However, when we're imagine like, because it's going to be different way of divisions, imagine it's Nikki Rod versus a smaller guy like for Breciu Andre. So there's a massive weight discrepancy. But when you're taking the weight of the team on your shoulders as that smaller guy, suddenly him surviving, simply surviving against the bigger opponent now becomes exciting.

1:05:01So I think we can, what Sakaraba did to make quintetzo exciting is you can create a style of rules that somewhat makes the boring parts exciting. just survival, what mean the your team wins this series. So we're trying to reinvent sort of how grappling's viewed to even make those boring parts exciting. Who are going to be the teams? So we've got Atos, New Wave, 10th Planet, B team, Pedigo, and then we decided just due to the difficulty. There's a lot of teams out there, but they might not be able to fill five divisions. We decided to add in three region -based teams. The Americas, Australia and Asia, and Europe and the UK.

1:05:52Those will be filled with region -based guys, because it was about making sure that we get all the good athletes in there. A lot of teams, like a class example would be Levi, who made us the final against... Blue guy. Blue head guy against Caterpillar last year. he trains up my old team absolutely at MMA, be tough for them to put in five guys. So we're like, well, we don't want to lose a guy like Lever. So we're going to have region -based teams. And then oh, that's cool. So you'll have this sort of avenge as a symbol of people that aren't usually together. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe even fought against each other.

1:06:25Maybe even be from rival gyms. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So they have to come together and basically take on these powerhouse team names. And then one other thing we threw in there was kind of like this idea of a wild card. Because really there may be two or three teams in the world that would have five contenders at each weight division. So we said to each team, listen, we need four of your guys to be authentic members of your team, but you can pull in a wild card. So we're still keeping to the team versus team nature. Some of its region based, but also you can pull in a wild card and we exploited that fully.

1:07:01Well, this is your wild card. Victor Hugo, who's one of the biggest best guys in the sport today. So we exploited that. We exploited it. I mean, we told all coaches out there early that, hey, you can pull in a wild card. We just got ahead of them. We jumped on Victor straight away. Right. I saw a photo of you and John Danna, talking through that meeting of the months. Yeah. So we had our falling hour. We had the Danna her desk, which I jumped aboard late to the party, which was Eddie Cummings, Gary Tonan, Gordon Ryan, Nikki Ryan, Nikki Rodd, I jumped in. I tore that team apart piece by piece from the inside, turning everyone against each other to exploit that into an opportunity to create the B -Team, which we have here today.

1:07:49And that's obviously left a bad taste in John Dana, her mouth, but in the effort of getting them in the event because for CGI I won, they supported ADCC instead. They were gone after the legacy matters and they did very good at ADCC. I will say that was a bit of an easy ADCC. We took most of the guys, but we've managed to put out differences aside for the greater good. So new wave will be submitting a team. Me and Gordon, on the other hand, have not put out differences aside, but John Danahue is LHAF A. He's the boss over there.

1:08:25So That was good. I've run into him a couple times. We never had a full conversation, but yeah, it was definitely good to Make the past the past, you know what I mean like Part of that conversation was Craig took things a little too far. I look like I'm guilty of fucking around sometimes, you know But when we had the conversation. Yeah, he we're friends again for sure. Hmm. What you think so likelihood of Gordon Turning up and fighting it. C. J. I mean, I've got a special cook chair waiting for him there and the audience So like I think that's that's gonna pull him in you know that's kind of cool.

1:08:58That's just made it however likely It was I think you've just made it slightly less likely the the porcelain throne will be there waiting for him I'm gonna guess that you think that it's quite unlikely that it's gonna happen then I think you'll be there I think ultimately as much as you hate me. You should love your teammates more and he is a great team member Great training partner I might be in horrible human being, but in an effort to support his training partners, I imagine he want to give them the best opportunity to win and his presence and coaching ability. But not competing. Not competing.

1:09:32You don't think that he would compete? As far as I know, he's never going to compete again. Yeah. And although I don't like the guy, great competitor, Drew and the fans, sad to see him leave. And although I persistently harassed and bullied his teammate Nicholas Marigali who got a computer ADCC ultimately lost, he got injured in the process of losing. It is sad to lose two of those guys to support. Nicholas Marigali's shoulder injury is going to keep him out for quite a long period of time. So did he have a ham too? So after posting many pictures, saying he's going to be the champion, he's going to win double gold, attacking everyone else, criticizing everyone else, he got defeated by a blue bell.

1:10:16Was it blue bell? Bigs, he was a per... Actually, take that back cut. He got defeated by a purple bell, but in the process of the the hip toss, he posted his arm on the ground to storage everything in his shoulder. Really, really bad injury. I think unfortunately a couple of the surgeries, difficult thing to come back from. Might need a trip to Columbia with some stem cells. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Devil's Breath. Yeah, we could have used some Devil's Breath from time to time, but really, yeah, he's out for a while too, so we can't have him in the next CGI. And I mean, most of the, most of the outtricks, like I just like, first of all, I'm picking on Marigale, because English is second language.

1:10:57He's coming in on the quips. Gordon, easy target. Most American human being on Earth, you know what I mean with the banter. So it is sad to lose them, not just from the bands of perspective and the insult perspective, but they are great athletes and it would have been great to have them participate. People think I have a vendetta, I'm vindictive. There's only, and I won't say it's name, there's only one person it can't be in CJA2, but I don't give a fuck. What you've said about me, anything, go for a walk. Kiss the ring. Kiss a few things and put you in the event. What is the sort of future ambition for CGI?

1:11:34Like what would be a great place for it to come into land more money, bigger brackets, more viewership? Like where are you trying to end up? Where do we want to end up? I mean, my goal was just to grow the sport. You know what I mean? Like I've put so much effort into the sport. I've humiliated myself, I've been injured, I've wasted my life on Jiu Jitsu mats, talking to people that have gone a total conversation. So I want this to all mount to something. So I failed as an athlete so the pivot would be as a promoter and We've had some enemies that have never come friends for the first event. We have some I wouldn't say enemies but some big challenges coming up for the second event in terms of I think I contributed to the sported jujitsu in a way that brought so much attention and I so that one competition Then now we've got some sharks circling trying to take it over and monopolize it.

1:12:22So for me now it's kind of a battle To make sure that we don't end up being monopolized and just some other product on the shelf. So really it's like for me now it's to ensure that there's a viable event that doesn't have exclusive contracts that just wants the best athletes in the world to participate put on a spectacle exciting sell out for the fans and that they have that alternative. But surely there's only so there's gonna be what five people that win Ultimately, which means that there's gonna be 40 people that don't win or whatever or 35 people that don't win So how are the 35 gonna keep taking over is it that while there's a lot of exposure at this sort of an event You can monetize on the back of this me being the man that's never won anything I would say losing is just a marketing pivot, you know, it's how you it's not It's not winning a losing the man as it's how you lose.

1:13:12Oh, you sell that loss. So really I mean All this great opportunity for exposure. I wanted to be talking about our we're paying them an exposure But everyone last year we paid everyone $10 ,000 and one dollars to show up this year $10 ,000 to show up. So for the athletes, that sadly uses significant amount of money for a lot of them. Giu Jitsu is like a top heavy payment structure, but there are organizations out there that will overcome and say the top of the bill and severely underpay the bottom part. So really like for me, it's like protecting the next generation of athletes that might get caught up in the allure of being attached to big brands or big organizations and let that blind them from what you do to really is in how different other sports.

1:13:59And we have an opportunity here to kind of prevent it being monopolized. Interesting that a flagrant personal vanity project has now become some stalwart, like protective fortress against big business coming and ruining a sport. I mean, that's a thing really. It's like everything I do is completely self -interested, selfish, and for my own benefit, but when it comes to a talk show, we can sell it anyway. Let's remember this for the great. Well, like you say, it's not really what you're doing or why you're doing it. It's why you say you're doing it and whether or not people believe it. Yeah, which is why people in the politics do run against it.

1:14:40Mine is a lot of sense. I only found out about Greg Soudas recently. He seems like an interesting guy. What do you know about him? Interesting character. Yeah, he's the coach of the misfits team for America. So he's put together in American squad. So like, I mean, I haven't gone too much into this. It's a difficult conversation to listen to. You know, people talking about different learning models in Jiu Jitsu, but yeah, I believe from my understanding his thought process is that you don't need to be just doing static, repetitive, drilling, and understanding and like being taught techniques. He's sort of given the credence over to the people's ability to solve problems themselves with through the positional spot So I mean, I don't think I think the way Just what we do with CGI one the way we sell is to create division and create sides who would have choose on choose to be on And a lot of hips is will choose to be on the on orthodox side of things.

1:15:36So it's like I think Basically a balance of the two is usually the best approach here, but I believe his persistence in his argument is making people reevaluate how they teach. So I think ultimately he's a good influence on the sport. Is there too much, you know, looking at somebody who has done a total of one session of Brazilian jiu -jitsu in his life? But from a lot of my friends, it seems like a lot of time is spend drilling sort of carefully deconstructing moves and then slowly sort of building those back up. Is there a sort of tactical training hole in the world of most Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu coaching at the moment?

1:16:19Yeah, I would say that most Jiu -Jitsu coaches aren't actually coaches, they're just instructors. They show moves. Whereas a coach will be something different, that's something I sort of realized being involved in MMA camps is that like a coach doesn't necessarily need to be better than the person they're training. And Jiu Jitsu has a historical thought process where the better the competitor was, they assume that he's going to be a better instructor or coach for them. And I think that's sort of like a bit of a fallacy where like some of the best guys teaching boxing, even wrestling weren't necessarily the best competitors, but they have a great way to break things down.

1:16:58John Dana would be one of the best coaches ever. No, no history of Jiu -Jitsu competition. So I think that's a massive floor in the sport of Jiu -Jitsu, but I Personally would say that like in the early stages you need You need to understand those moves you need to be taught those moves and then ultimately as we get to the higher level I believe Problem solving for yourself is much better because if I give you the answer quite often I think people forget it but if I create a situation in which you figure out a solution, you remember and I always said to guys, I'm like, look at the people leading this sport and how dumb we are.

1:17:39If they can figure it out, you can figure it out. Come to me with a more in depth question, then how do I escape psychoncho? Give me exact circumstances in which I can give you guidance or Sets you on the right path. What have you learned from all of the time that you've cornered in the UFC? How's that sort of informed the way that you look at coaching generally and sort of the world of fighting? I mean, all competition has an element of performance anxiety, but any combat sport would strike. I think at a severe element of risk, break traumatic brain injury, right? So for me, the stakes are just that much higher.

1:18:18So when you're dealing with an athlete in those circumstances, you really do have to be very calculated and thoughtful about how you approach coaching them. And you really have to be careful about how you build confidence. Like a lot of people, I'm brought in as the grappling coach in a lot of fights where the goal is that they don't use their grappling. I'm just carrying the bucket right. But what really I have to try to do is give them the confidence that if it were to hit the floor that what they're doing is good and that they're going to be okay. And once they have that confidence when they're on the feet and those other positions they aren't as scared to take risks.

1:18:58Right, because the fear of the thing that they don't feel the best at happening is stopping them from doing the thing that they are the best at with full commitment. Exactly. Like Volcanoeski against Islam. It's like most people would have gone to it. Islam, Macature fight, I'm been like at all costs, do not get taken down. Totally different thought process to be like, we're going to play our game. If it hits the ground, we know how to get back up. We're going to get back up. Obviously, no one's Dagestan has this thing about them, due to could be even somebody undefeated fighters. Some of those guys, I will admit, do have some padded records, but they are very talented fighters.

1:19:35Like you might see, I was 16 and 0, but he's for eight bus drivers. And there's not many bus drivers in Dagestan. So we really had to shout of that myth. No one's superhuman, no one's unbeatable. Everyone loses. If you didn't lose, you're retired too early. So I think, yeah, just building confidence in the athletes. But I would say the flip side of that is truth be told, I really don't like cornering MMA fights because you more you more feel relief that you're like, I got out of there healthy and I'm okay, you know, because I think one thing MMA doesn't show enough is how badly hurt these guys are after the fight.

1:20:15Quite often the camera will avoid the guy that's unconscious for three minutes. So from like a coach's perspective, from a friend's perspective, when you see your guy unconscious for a concernedly long amount of time, that's, I would say that's a traumatic experience as well. So for me, coaching, you're second -guessing everything. think, you know, you don't want to completely change someone's game because it's, you don't have a lot of time to work for them, work with them. But you also want to build, you need to build that confidence with them and stuff. So it's like, it's, there's a lot on the line and how you approach helping these guys.

1:20:52And to be honest, it's more me doing slide adjustments or giving them confidence by reinforcing what they already do. When it comes to selling instructional I will tell people that I taught them everything they know. But truth be told, these guys are already very, very good. And what they do, like Jack Della is one of the most incredible grapplers I've ever trained with. And he's predominantly known as a striker. It's like I've learned things from him. So these guys are obviously already very talented athletes. How do you come to think about confidence in the world of fighting? like how can you help to build that up or when it comes to yourself, how can you sort of help to embrace that more?

1:21:34To be more confident, I mean, you just, you need reassurance from people you trust. You know what I mean? Like the guy, the blue buddy, your gym, that's hitting on the females and the gym, telling them they're doing a great job. You don't have to miss something to be that. You're not gonna have that much reassurance, but obviously the more you respect someone's ability to teach or their ability to perform when they tell you doing something right, that's going to add a hell of a lot of confidence. And I think it's always better to be over confident than under confident in any sort of combat area.

1:22:08In any sport, I would say, more fights have been lost to you to under confidence and over confidence. You think that's the case? Well, I mean, walking out with that many people looking at you and so much on the line and it's a good point to make it about striking that I would guess that in Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu or sort of grappling stuff, you'll never, it can't happen that quickly. There's at least a little bit of lead in. You go, okay, I made like two mistakes here. I made one big mistake, but there was a point that this sort of went through. As opposed to it does come out of nowhere when striking is like the fucking Ben Askerin, Mazvidal thing.

1:22:50You know, like that's like, it's just one incident that occurs and it's like, okay, now it's over. But it is still, a lot of the times, like, so obviously there are some, like there are some lucky shots, but like, like say Mazvidal, he knew that if you applied pressure, he knew the way Askerin would lean. So he knew sort of his habits, right? I mean, that was definitely a mistake on Askerin's end, you know what I mean? You know, it was a great approach from As of It, as well. You know, like he's sprinting towards him at a period of the fight where usually it's pretty tame, usually a feeling out process, usually a hand touch, so he's breaking sort of the rhythm there.

1:23:30So I think there was a bit of planning in what looked to like a brilliant accidental lucky strike. But it was well. Yeah, I think that was calculated. They knew what aspirin's reaction would be. and had you have been in his corner, you could have sold a... I would have sold it as a personal. I would have sold him at a wrestle. Yep, yep. So, I'm just interested a little bit. I, again, have very little understanding about what's going on, but I'm pretty fascinated about eras or different periods within sports. How would you describe sort of the world tactically that BJJ is in sort of what's the trend, what are the popular things that seem to be working and where do you think things are going next?

1:24:18I mean, you know what? Like it's sort of based on what competition is popular at the time. So what I mean by that is ADCC would allow hill hooks and there was a guy that called who's my Paharas, who's notorious for throwing on hill hooks and not letting go when people tap and just breaking their legs. So that created an urgency, even in myself when I thought I might be in his weight division to now learn leg locks because obviously you don't want to lose, you don't want to be embarrassed by having a sort of a hole in your game there. And in that particular circumstance, I was kind of concerned he was going to just get it rippet and not let go.

1:24:56He got banned from the UFC, I'm pretty sure for doing that. That's guys notorious for just being a caveman and just ripping shit. But Giu -Jitsu is sort of like you're looking for holes in the sport to take advantage of it. So once I started training that hill hook game, then a tournament appeared called EBR, which became like sort of a Eddie Bravo's event became sort of this cultural movement where we had the stars from the original talent of the Desquad, like Eddie Cummings and Gordon and Gary Tonan, who were using moves that a lot of the pre -existing black belts had never played with because they were banned into those competitions.

1:25:34So these guys got basically a head star on an area of the game that was going to become very important later. And then once people were so scared of their leg logs, they created opportunities for other parts of their game. So it's kind of like you're trying to get ahead of the curve. So it's just trying to recognize vulnerabilities and exploit them at the right moments. But there's been like 50 50 God was a position. Generally speaking, if the older generation of black belts hated, they hated for reason because it's working. 5050 guard, deep half guard, we had a move called the Burem Bolo, we had all the leg logs, we had sort of arm traps from the back.

1:26:16As ADCC became more popular and wrestling became more important, we had this scrimmage style wrestling which basically just scrambling for top position. And that would be more reminiscent of MMA where the goal on bottom is to get up. Obviously, you just don't have to wear that strike, so we can be a bit more creative than what we do. So really, there's a whole lot of eras, and usually there's like a person that made those moves popular because they came in and beat people that they shouldn't have beaten because they were using moves that were sort of cutting edge or innovative moves. A monster era that we're in now.

1:26:55Good question. I was still watching this. I don't know where we're in now. To be honest, I mean, like again, I think we'll probably see some new emerging trends based on our event because there's so much at stake. There's a great amount of prize money. There's a lot of prestige in that you're going to be able to claim your team is the number one team in the world. So I think a lot of coaches going to be, especially a guy like Greg Sadder is going to be trying to think of some really creative way. Does he got a team that's going to? He's going to control the team America, the America's team. Okay, oh right because you've had to gift coaches who's looking after the other two We've got Lockland Jaws to get me my black bell.

1:27:33He had a fantastic run at ADCC and he was helping a medal as a 77 killer guy in the Openway division and he healed three monsters He basically healed hooks within the game of Hillhugs There were different positions which people could innovate There's a guy who already coming so he's really good outside Hillhugs in a position called outside Aashi Gary Tone and Gordon Ryan were really good at getting this sort of inside St. Calcutta, I was the Toronto -Soup Japanese times around a confused people and they innovated that area and then Lock and Jazz came in and innovated this position called backside 50 -50 and created a massive trend.

1:28:08So he was really influential in this war and he's made bank off the bag of that respect to him and then in the UK we have a guy called Faris who I've picked because he's got good banter. He riles out the Brazilians and I'm excited to see some of that take less. And what do you think? So it's exactly the same in terms of the walls gauntlet style thing. Same size pit. But people in the next competitor is going to be off the street. Yeah, off to the side and no one knows and then the coach sent them out. Yeah, and actually the pit itself is like guys that figure out how to utilize the pit because like We've had the UFC cage forever, right?

1:28:51People worked out how to wrestle against the cage. People changed strategies of the cage, typically speaking when guys got taken down in the earlier UFC's that tried to get away from the cage, and then it changed where guys would use the cage to get up. So I think the pit and how you use the pit, there's a huge opportunity for innovation there, and with innovation comes instructional sales. So that makes Bang Toffa. How much have you got to train over the last 12 months? I'll be honest, not a lot. You know, it's all I'd be in my position because I love training and I just want to go in and have a role.

1:29:28But when you're a known athlete and you're a known promoter, people see that as their opportunity to get to see you. If I can impress, yeah, they'll go on now's my time. And that's how you shout out to the new general manager Ben Kovak's of FloodGrapping. I would say if you guys see him at an open mat, fight him to the bitter end, fight him to the death. If you submit him multiple times, I'm sure you get a spall on the flowgraphing of that. That's what everybody thinks. That's what they think. Yeah, they come for me. So I mean, I don't train too much. I'll show up to random gym and some dude will be there just trying to kill me and I'm just like, what about on to you brother?

1:30:05Or a Brazilian beach up against a bartender. Yeah, but we choose that battle there. That guy was a guy was set side, you know what I mean? All right, so what's the next few months got in store up until CGI? Oh, do I want to say what I'm doing? I don't want to say all right, so we're going to London. We're on the CGI trials where we'll do three divisions, three four man divisions. The winners of those will represent the team team Europe and the other two guys, own Jones and too much forgetting.

1:30:44Cut that. Oh, and Jones is in there and the other divisions will be decided by the trials and then going to do a bit of a European seminar run. So hit up Europe, we'll get some content. I'm going to try and raise a bunch of money for a cause, but I'll keep that core secret now because of my, cost me my life. If people I'm running around Europe with that much money to give to a certain group of people. Fuck him. Great Jones, ladies and gentlemen, dude. I'll see you at CJ. Thank you, bro.