Hunter Biden, Matt McCusker & Duncan Trussell - Mostly Wise #2 - #1136

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40:14I think the thing about my dad that is, that I wish more people knew is how genuine he truly is about how much he loves people. You know, I'll give you an example is that I think my dad, since he's been in public life and the number has just only grown over the course of time, but probably has, you know, a dozen or, you know, more people, kids that that he's met at rope lines or people have written a letter that stutter. that call my dad and spend a half an hour on the phone with him, you know, once a month, you know. Doing that voice coaching. Yeah, just letting him know that, you know, don't be defined by this, you know.

41:06I mean, as he says, he tells every one of them, is that, you know, stuttering, it's because you're so smart. And, you know, I mean, listen to him. And he doesn't, I mean, nobody knows that. And he doesn't, it's not like he advertises that. But I've gotten so many, now that I'm on social media, and who wishes you know how long that's gonna last but the uh um yeah something else to drop no no i mean just like yeah like god it looks like you're having a good time on that yeah yeah parts of it i am i am what but um can i ask you just uh so when you were so no not you when your dad was running and everyone was going and i'm not trying to be a dick when it was like seem visibly like obvious that he was getting a little too old i think to like actually be the president like there were signs unless it was just a tv there were signs of cognitive decline i felt bad i was like why are they doing this to this guy why like that that seems like insane that we would like anyone who's in their mid-80s be like yeah get out there and just have like the most important discussion ever yeah well look i think that there are uh i think part of that's fair and part of that is is uh your algorithm now here's what i mean by that my dad got old he got old before everybody's eyes he literally lost his debt he started to um get his gait shortened which was very much noticeable he never had a uh a incident like the debate before or after i mean it truly it's not like i'm saying that and you don't have uh thousands of hours of tape on either side of that debate of my dad in front of a camera and what you're talking about i think is kind of like the fox news you know like getting joe biden like this you know what i mean no it wasn't it wasn't that it wasn't tripping at the tripping at the thing but regardless okay but to answer your question yeah does he got older yeah yeah Am I 100 % certain that he was capable of continuing to make the decisions and do the job of actually what the president is supposed to do?

43:20Yes. Did he have the ability to communicate that to the American people to the degree that he needed to win an election? Maybe, maybe not. But we'll never know. I agree with you about how I felt watching that debate. It really felt, and to some degree as well with Trump. The guy is old. these people these are old men and what you're doing is you're watching guys that should be fucking granddad i'm not saying that you need to fucking retire whatever like i'm sure people are competent until old age you're watching people that should be twilight of life enjoying the time with what they've built like punch drunk box keeping rolled out for one more fight that i'm like you're trading and it's noble and heroic in some ways you're trading your health your uh time which is increasingly limited on this planet for like the nation you're just trying to hold this thing or maybe it's not the nation maybe it's a party maybe it's a duty for the higher good it's part of the mission but you're like watching this person basically go okay i'm gonna take this bit of me which is increasingly precious and short-lived and i'm gonna exchange it in order to serve this fucking engine right this massive machine and i think anyone that's got a soul looked and was like holy fuck that's got to be that's got to be so hard you've got these two things you want to do plus you're like ego still exists can i add to that like and again i think what is rotten i don't mean rotten but what must be very hard about your incarnation is that you people dissect your family and you and it's and i'm so sorry because it sounds insensitive but when i saw your dad i just thought you know i don't think i'd want to take a road trip with him driving and if i don't feel comfortable with somebody driving a car with me i don't want them to have access to a nuclear arsenal man or in all the quick decisions you have to make can i ask i get your point okay and i get everybody's point all right they were not slamming your dad no no no and it wasn't like oh fuck man it wasn't here's the thing this is sad as it relates to uh decisions that my dad made they weren't mine but i i'm willing to talk about them as it relates to his age, it's all public.

45:32So I don't take it as a criticism. It is a conversation that, by the way, we're all going to have as you have an aging America in which people are capable of continuing to do the thing that they are professional at with the wisdom and the experience that they have in which their physical appearance and their physical capacity to do things slows down. Okay. Yeah. And so, but here's the other side of it is the job of being president is not purely about competence, experience, and wisdom. It is also about the capacity for you to communicate that to people. So what he did not communicate to people was that he could drive the car.

46:23And that's a fair criticism. Absolutely, 100 % is fair. Now, should he have stepped aside? For who and what? Because remember what you're coming off of. You're coming off of January 6th. You're coming off the pandemic. You're coming off of the incredible dislocation and disruption of an economy in which everything went offline for a period of time in which it created the largest unemployment in this history and a potential of a recession. And you're also coming across this incredible success of two years in which all of that competence and wisdom, remember when he became president that said he'll never get a bill passed.

47:03Congress is too close. He only had one seat in the Senate and he had four seats in the House. There's no way that he'll ever get anything done. He passed more legislation in a two-year period of time than any president since Lyndon Johnson, who had super majorities in both the House and the Senate. Anybody. He had the best midterms of any sitting president since FDR in 1932. He won more state houses and governorships, the smallest number of congressional seats lost of any president since 1932. So he's rolling off of these successes, okay? And opens up to a primary. And who runs? there's no bigger name than Bobby uh Bobby Kennedy there's nobody this whole idea that there's a democratic but it's like since the beginning of time of course there's a democratic establishment in in whatever and so he makes what ends up depending upon your perspective the fateful decision to um you know to stand for re-election and then comes the debate and I can't explain it.

48:08I truly can't. Everybody can have their conspiracy theories. Everybody can think that, oh, that's how he is. But all I can say is not a single person that worked with him on the record has gone and said Joe Biden wasn't cognitively capable to be president of the United States. You can definitely make the argument of whether he was cognitively capable of or communicatively capable of making the case to the American people. But here's where we stand. And one last thing about this is that when it came time to make the decision, okay, after, you know, what I call the insider, the true insider, the elite class of the Democratic establishment, because the DNC is not that.

48:54There's no, it's like the money people. It's the people that fund the party. Right. When they made the determination that they wanted Joe Biden out and basically said, we are going to fight you all the way to the convention because they couldn't take it away from him legally. I mean, he was the nominee, period. And he got COVID. There's that horrible picture of him getting back on the plane because he passed all the hurdles. He did the Stephanopoulos interview for an hour and 10 minutes. He did the NATO summit press conference for an hour and 30 minutes and answered every question, you know, a tour de force global like history lesson for everybody.

49:33And then he did the NAACP convention speech and all of that stuff. And he went to do the next morning. He gets COVID and it wipes him out. and he has to make a decision that i don't know of any other president or any other person in that position has ever made before to voluntarily without being forced to without having any legal authority of saying i'm going to step aside and i think that's really courageous i don't think history is treating that uh i think history will treat that well but also i think my dad hung the moon. So, you know what I mean? It's not like I'm biased in any way. What was that stat about your dad being the poorest president since 1900?

50:21Yeah. My dad entered the presidency and left the presidency with fewer assets than anybody since I think, what was it, or who came out of tact, maybe? No. But regardless, is that 1972, when my dad got elected, he was 29 years old. He was too young to serve when he was elected by virtue of the Constitution, and he turned 30. And in between the time he won and when he was sworn in. And he made a promise during that campaign that he would never own a stock or a bond for the single purpose of reason that Spiro Agnew had just gone through, you know, had gotten impeached and removed before Nixon ever got impeached.

51:07And he kept that. So he lived off his salary, which by the way, wasn't a bad salary. But just remember, 1972 was like$48 ,000 a year. And then it went up to$68 ,000. And then when I was in school, it was like$150 ,000. You're taking some tips from Nancy Pelosi. Yeah. But my point is this. My dad entered the vice presidency that way. The only time my dad ever made money, the Biden crime family, like bullshit. My dad wrote a book. And what did he do with the money that he wrote a book? when he left the vice presidency, he didn't go out and make speeches for private equity firms and fly to Saudi Arabia and sit on the board of XYZ hedge fund or whatever.

51:48He wrote a book. And he bought my mama a beach house in Rehoboth. You know? Awesome. Yeah. And then he went into the presidency with the savings from that money and his pension. And he left the presidency. And the only thing my dad has done to make money is he wrote a book. and you know i don't know about you but that's what i want my president to be like you know i don't need them to go out and start a foundation with saudi and you know uae money or you know do a um a dodgy crypto deal in blah blah blah particularly while they're still president but that's my dad phone what you forgot the phone what about the sneakers what about the things look By the way, he takes all these cool things.

52:36I'm a big crypto fan. Have you got one? They suck. What? Have you got one? As a joke, my wife ordered me the Trump sneakers. Oh, the Trump sneakers. They're not good sneakers. They're just not good sneakers. Peter Thiel ordered you the Trump sneakers. My dearest friend. Please cut that out. Please, you don't understand. I love it. You challenged Don Jr. and Eric to a two-on-one cage fight. What's happening with that? Are you guys in my corner? I'm going. Are you really fighting them? No. I mean, I haven't heard back, but I will tell you this. I will tell you this. You should do this. Is that I said, well, number one, it would be a great way to pay my debt.

53:13You know what I mean? I think it would be great on pay-per-view. Literally. And if Shane could fill Franklin Field, or not Franklin Field, the link, you know, I swear to God, I think that I could at least get half the number of people there. There would be a lot of people, I think. Yeah, I think so, too. Two V1s. I need a chance to smack either one of them. I'm 56. So you guys really do. It's a family beat. Have you been in contact? Can we prank call Don Jr. right now? Have you got his number? Can we just ring him? I don't have Don Jr.'s number. I have no idea. You don't have his number? Yeah, no.

53:45Call Peter Thiel. I don't. Please stop, Peter. You guys see what you don't understand. I am not in. I don't know him. Never met him. He's not paid by the power. Please, please stop. Just put this. I have a question. This is sort of off. i've always been curious what is it i like i the president has some kind of apartment in the white house right where the where what is that like like what's it like you know it's so the residents you know every kid yeah kind of thinks like man i wish my dad was president that's gonna be cool you get to go into the residence you get to see it's cool it's so cool it's so amazing the people that work there that are you have butlers and stuff yeah and they're incredible and they're wonderful and they've been there for decades on some of them and there's like for me at least in their residence and every time I went to the White House there was never without like a complete sense of awe did your dad ever cook you breakfast in there?

54:51like did they no but my dad's never cooked me breakfast presidential pancakes there was a kitchen in there my dad couldn't cook an egg just to be clear okay yeah Now, I'm a great cook, but he would, no. But there's a kitchenette. I just always wonder about that private life. There's a little kitchenette off the residence. The residence is on the, you know, if you're looking at the front of the White House, you enter into, like, the main hall. Yeah. It has the public, I mean, the rooms in which, like, the blue, the red room, the green room, you know, where they have some of the state dinners and stuff like that, where you always see the pictures.

55:26in the cross hall, like, you know, that red carpet. And the floor above it, the two floors above it are the residents. And there's the one end of it is all the presidents, you know, like quarters and the first ladies. And then there's the Lincoln bedroom, the Queens bedroom. And then there's like six or eight other bedrooms upstairs for guests and stuff like that. Secret doors? Yeah. Oh yeah, there's secret doors. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you find them? Did you get shown? Do you get shown like, hey, this is how you, The doors that are secret that aren't secret anymore. You know what I mean?

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57:04It's just rules. Well, here's what you think. I mean, if you have any kind of like appreciation for where you are, it's like, holy shit. It's insane. Like, not this actual floor, because it's been done, Truman did it, you know, I mean, it's not the same, but it's like, on this grounds, you know, the course of history has been changed dozens and dozens and dozens of times, and sometimes for good, sometimes for real ill. It's got to be so haunted. Yeah, I bet you. Is it haunted? Did you ever have any ghost encounters there? Am I remembering this? I'm sorry. This is the exact direction I want to go in.

57:45Okay, great. Is it haunted? is there like it's well i mean like yeah they say that um but i i didn't have to walk around there at night just like staring at shit oh yeah 100 i i'm gonna now here's the thing is i didn't get to spend much time there and one of the reasons i didn't get to spend much time there is because every time i was there it became an incredible distraction so i'd show up and i'd go walk on the south lawn with my dad and the dog and they'd take a picture and it would be on the front pages in the New York Post and they would say the indicted or the soon to be indicted or the drug addict son or the thing.

58:20And so it became really, really uncomfortable. Like - That's going to suck. Your dad has finally made it. This is the opportunity for me to be the son that gets to have presidential pancakes. And because of the way that we arrived, I don't get to fully embrace that. That's going to suck. Yeah. You know, but thank you. Well, you're not supposed to be there to have fun. No, no, I'm saying, yeah, you are. By the way, if you can't, then it's crazy. I mean, but thank you for saying that. Um, but I can't say that because like, oh, what was me? You know what I mean? Like, uh, my dad's president. My dad works for 50 years to become president.

58:57I want fucking pancakes. Well, by the way, 20 days, 20, 25 days, you said out of the entirety of the time you got to stay at the White House? Yeah, maybe like more. Well, no, probably more than that. Like I think like 30 or 40 and I got to go to Camp David and I get to fly a Marine one and you get to go on Air Force one. And every time you do, you think, oh, my God, this is the coolest thing. And I think if you don't, you're a jackass. I mean, if you lose that, like if you lose like walking in, like walking down the colonnade to the Oval Office without the feeling of like, holy shit, then I think that you are dead.

59:34That's pretty fair for us. That's awesome. But I didn't get to spend as much time with him as I normally would have. If it weren't for the fact that I was a crack addict, there were pictures of it, and I was being investigated by the Department of Justice for this, that, and the other thing. That bag of Coke at the White House wasn't yours. No. Okay. How upset were you that someone else found us? Okay. I've literally, I've listened to all of you. I've listened to you after you've guessed on, and you're all like, I don't know. I don't know. It could have been his, but I guess not. Whose do you think it was?

1:00:14Because it's fucking someone's. I have no clue. It's someone. Who's the hit list? Pull up a diagram. Who's the fucking biggest hit list? Of the White House. Okay. Let's see. All right. Diagram of White House? Are you going to place the bag of cocaine? How big was the sack? How big were we talking? I have no idea. Eight ball? It didn't come to me and say, Hunter, we want to show you this. Well, you could have - Hunter. Hunter, come here. We're aware that you might be able to trace where this came from. Here we go. Okay. So if you look at the - Okay. So you see there, see where it says White House in the middle?

1:00:43So the West Wing is where the Oval Office is. The White House is where the residence is. I am under Secret Service protection during this period of time. When I enter the White House, I enter off of the South Lawn, which is the big ellipses. You know what I mean? Like the circular driveway on the southern part. Okay? So you enter the White House through the - Middle bit? What? Through the middle? Right through the middle. And right as you go through the middle, you go to an elevator and you go up to the residence. okay that is how the secret service brings me in and they and they're with me like as far as you are for me everywhere i go outside of making it to the elevator to that um uh to go up to the second floor but not the bathroom if you want to do key bumps you can go in the other than the bathroom yeah okay true enough but thank you for pointing that out that was very helpful mother fuck i swear to god where was it found where was it now now situation room wasn't it yeah so see where it says west exec avenue yeah okay so that's where everybody else that is a part of the administration comes into the white house so the eisenhower executive office building is where 90 of the people that say they work at the white house work okay and when they come over for meetings with the chief of staff or the director of national intelligence or whoever else is in the West Wing, they come through there.

1:02:11And when you go through there, you enter in on the ground floor. Above you is the chief of staff's office and the Oval Office, okay? And on that ground floor, as soon as you walk in, there's a desk. There's another Secret Service agent, a uniform Secret Service agent. And if you go on the other side of that desk and take a right, there's hallway and that end of that hallway is the situation room of which i've never been in because you're not allowed into the fucking situation room unless you have top secret clearance the president's son doesn't get to hang in okay and in that right in front of that door is a set of cubbies okay and the only reason i know that is it because if you go to your left there's a little cafeteria like not even it's like table set up for like the chief of staff in their offices to come have like a bowl of soup or whatever to eat.

1:03:06In those cubbies is where they found it. And supposedly found a little bag of cocaine. Bowl of soup. Number one, I'm not joking around, okay? And I don't know how much of it is. You should be like, I do fat sacks only. Yeah, by the way, not only that, is I smoke crack. True. I smoke crack. I'll say this though. But by the way, I'm now at this point, I'm not in the White House when it's found. I haven't been in the White House for six weeks to a month when it's found alright? Although this does sound like the part of the movie where we're like you know we have the diagram it sounds like we're planning on how we could get cocaine in the White House you know when they go through like the ducks in the movie what the fuck?

1:03:44No it doesn't man you know what? That's why you went to Sally's and I went to Archgear okay? Exactly. Arrivals forever yes exactly. There's a duck on the South Lawn and you've opened it up there's coming Literally. This is never going to die. Okay. By the way, here's the other thing. I don't think it was yours. I genuinely don't. No, but here's the other thing. I don't either. It's like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, I'll openly talk about having sex on camera with a prostitute in New Haven, Connecticut at all the I-fucking-95 smoking a crack. But like, I like a - I'm not going to own up for the bag of drugs.

1:04:19It is so funny. I mean, it's so ridiculous. It is very funny. But it drives me insane. Now, look, that's like, you want to talk about things that online that you can say, you have your friendship with Peter Thiel to deal with. Come on! I do not know. Peter Thiel, we're not friends. You had to have been like, fucking great. Great. Yeah, that's sad. You know what? I literally, this is how obtuse I am. I was like, oh, that's weird. Kind of went about my day. I was, I was what? Four or five years sober by this point? I haven't like and by the way like I'm thinking like who like if I relapse oh here's the other thing I'm being drug tested but you know who I'm being drug tested by the Federal Bureau of fucking probation who's fucking showing up at my house and they watch you pee two or three times a week without not telling anybody they had to deal with the Secret Service they just walk into my they'll walk into your house like 6am knock on your bedroom door and they watch you right like a oh yeah and then they walk you into the bathroom and close the door with them standing like this watching your cock yeah you can't use the wizard you could use the wizard technically what's that the wizard no yeah yeah what's the wizard wizard is like a fake i wish i had the wizard when i went to the navy exactly yeah uh you need the wizard is it true that you still pack your bag with a witness is it you still doing that you have to pack your bags yeah have you heard this no it's a what's called a wife they watch you they go that's all you're bringing in yeah it's true it's it's word of god i got in a melissa i got in a little discussion before i left her here she said you can fit it all in the backpack i said i like my little rolly bag to put my back back every time why are you taking without fail but what are the whites pushing for more storage it doesn't matter they go either that's too much or that's no matter what you pack they're like that's too little yeah right that's wrong by the way i just want to make clear melissa i did not use the voice that matt is doing yeah i get in trouble i don't know what i use like a cart you don't sound like that it's so mad it's so don't sound like that yeah that's an ongoing problem here's the thing is that um uh is the reason is in the only when i travel internationally is the that if it's out of my sight i just think that look could you imagine if uh i got pulled over and they found drugs you know on me two would believe me yeah like if you can't believe me about that right yeah the 9 000 times that i've said are you out of your mind i wasn't there you can check on the fact that i wasn't there you can see that it wasn't like it was in front of the i mean like all these things too small can you imagine you know yeah right like what what would you do and and and you know also here's the other thing do you put it past any of these guys for shit like that no way the plant it could have been dropped for sure like dude drop it down yeah so um you know i want like here here like i the the thing that i am uh i want all the questions like there's nothing off limits i want to i want to be able because the thing that I think is the only value that I have, truly, because you don't have to agree with my politics.

1:07:42You don't have to agree with what I think about Donald Trump. You don't have to agree that, well, I hope everybody agrees that fucking Beavis and Butthead are total douchebags, Don and Eric. But is that you don't have to agree with any of this. Fighting talk. Beavis and Butthead is so funny. It's so true. Go look at it. Oh, fuck. Okay. what's their deal i don't know anything about them uh just jerks well they're rich jerks now like really really rich jerks but the um uh is it the one thing that i did i like just to be like a symbol like fuck it i made it even like you can too like if i could stay clean and sober through all of that shit and um and get on the other side of an addiction that you can go look at how fucking awful it was um is that it's like i just think like for that reason alone to be out here talking to people and to show that i can sit upright in the chair and i can write about it and I could talk about it without any shame.

1:08:55That doesn't mean I don't feel guilty about shit. It doesn't mean that I made horrible decisions and abstinent myself from my family and my children in particular. It doesn't mean that I'm even remotely perfect in my recovery. You know, and, but, you know, there is another, there is getting to the other side of stuff. and being transparent about it isn't a weakness. It's a strength. You are everywhere at the moment. Would you ever consider running for office? Is there a thrust that this is working towards? No, I mean, people, I'm even honored you would ask that with a straight face because I really am.

1:09:39Because think about that. Think about asking that question, you know, before May 21st of this year when I went on X for the first time. And so I really appreciate that if it was said with sincerity. But, you know, I tell people, if I announce for something within the next few years, then you will certainly know that I've relapsed.

1:10:09I do think there's something universally respectable about someone who goes through. I mean, everyone can agree. that's ever i would say everyone's worst nightmare and just can like face the public and talk usually i think most people would run away from that yeah just be like i'm out i'm just gonna yeah kind of hide away now so what are you working towards though because i mean you are making the rounds what's uh what do you have designs to do i don't know i'm sure i i really am i i am i got some things that i mean i'm writing on sub stack and i and i uh i wrote um a continuation of the like like the last seven years, you know, from my personal perspective.

1:10:47And then I wrote another one, thank you very much, AI, that allowed me to take all of the collective congressional reports and reporting journalism and kind of like what happened in those seven years of the things that I wasn't in the room for, like the Giuliani plot and that thing. And so I wrote that. But the one thing that I really, really want to do is I think that one of the ways in which people, at least for me, I know this is how it helped me, is the single, the thing that helped me most in my recovery was sharing, like hearing other people's stories. is realizing that you weren't alone in whatever you thought that depravity was that you were living in then and like the i remember the first time i sat in the room thinking there's no way that i'm going to be able to share this with another human being and like the guy next to me like tells a story and i'm like holy fuck oh my god i mean it made me blush and i'm like hey you know like then it becomes like it's going to be a very impressive story to out degenerate you me yes exactly yeah and was it a global incident though did it move stock markets did it change an election yeah true you know who i taught like the reason i this is why i love him is the openness with which steve on talks about stuff like that i was listening to your interview with steve on and there's like one part where anyway it yeah i don't even want to go through it because yeah oh yeah i don't remember yeah but uh but they're they're um i have no idea what you're talking about what the hell yeah yeah no it's i think it's better off to get as much out as possible because it's i don't know yeah it's good it's good i think it's good for you it's good for the thing that kills you if you're an addict at least from my experience is you keeping that like secret and you've that shame and there's a big difference between shame and guilt you know shame is basically the thing that tells you that you're not worthy of love and you never will be guilt is like an appropriate emotion in which you do something wrong you got to go make amends for it if you live in that shame and you're never able to like like let it go because it's a secret you know uh i mean just crack just talking about being a crack addict automatically sends at least people that are you know relatively our age into a freaking tailspin yeah like their mind goes to Why do you think that is?

1:13:29I think it's number one. I think it has to do with the connection to race that was created as it relates to the crack epidemic of the early 1990s. It has to do with the reality of the way in which it impacted certain communities, particularly the African-American community. Do you buy the CIA was flooding communities with cocaine on purpose that that was real? Remember when they found that CIA plane full of coke? What's the story behind that? Because I've heard it, but I don't actually know the story. Do you know it? I don't know the story to the degree that I should. But look, I mean, if you want to understand, like, the crack of the...

1:14:08It's Watch the Wire. You know what I mean? Like, what is that? Season, you know, three or whatever. What? Is that not fictional, though? It is fiction. But if you really want to understand the way that it lived... I think the writer was a journalist, though. I could be wrong. I think he was a journalist. George Pelicanos was one of the writers on that. And then what's his name? But yeah, I mean, it's all ripped from the pages kind of stuff. And my only point is, is it really did destroy entire communities. But it didn't have to do with what they thought it did. They thought that it was particular to the physiological effect that crack had on people.

1:14:44That's where the lie is. It had to do with the financial aspect of the drug. is that you could sell and make very cheaply and over and over and over again in small quantities. And you just create this market that was insatiable to feed. And so the violence was occurring because of the unfettered drug trade. There was so much money in it. Um, and if you lived, for instance, like I did in the, in the, in the late eighties, early nineties in Washington, DC, it was, I mean, it just ripped through Washington. You had, you know, uh, and, and what ripped through Washington was the violence that came along with the trade and the enforce and the, and the attempt to enforce the drug laws.

1:15:42And so they would crack down on communities and users rather than the people truly committing the violence, which were the dealers and up the chain. And up the chain, I'm certain, involved some covert operation as it related to it. And that didn't have anything to do with the intent of ripping apart our cities, but had some other intent as it related to the Sandinistas. Just a way to get untraceable money or something like that. Like the CIA was selling. Honestly, I'm not up to date on that conspiracy. But remember they found a CIA plane full of blow, which was insane. Like they're trading it to get cash.

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1:18:12i mean it's real man that wasn't what i meant that wasn't what i meant jd vance talked about the cat lady the doll thing remember right right i'm meaning like supernatural spiritual put x's on you oh i mean like actual witches dude are there some here right now i don't know maybe i think everyone's got a couple of conspiracies that they kind of hold in their mind yeah like i kind of believe okay i've got one and if i could and again apology in advance if it has to do with the fucking coke in the white house okay done here's the conspiracy here's a conspiracy theory that you must be aware of that floats around about you and again forgive me for this but i must know on your back oh yeah You have a tattoo of the finger lakes.

1:19:00And people say that this is tattooed on your back. Yeah. Because the finger lakes are apparently one of the number one ways that humans are trafficked. And that you have placed. You didn't know this? No. Please, can we talk? Oh, my God. Oh, man. You don't go online. Great. You don't go. Pull up Hunter Biden finger lakes. Is that why everybody's asking me what's the tattoo? Yes. What's a finger lake? They think that you have a human trafficking mask. I do. So the Vinger Lakes are these glacier lakes, the most beautiful lakes in the country. And they are in upstate New York. My mother, my deceased mother, came from Skinny Atlas, New York.

1:19:40And then the lake next to it is Owosco Lake. And Owosco, at the top of Owosco Lake, is a town named Auburn where the Hunter Diner is. And my grandfather and my grandmother owned and ran the Hunter Diner, which is still there. It's just like a silver diner. And that's where my mother grew up, and that's where my brother and I spent every summer with my mom, my deceased mother's grandparents. And so it's like the most special place in the world to me is the Finger Lakes. What you're saying. Not what I'm saying. What the internet is saying. What you've read. What I've read. Okay, I don't understand where you traffic because they're all landlocked.

1:20:20Where do you traffic them to? Look up Finger Lakes. Bike canoe. Don't, don't, don't. It's such a beautiful place. what are you going to do this for oh my god i'm serious i know it's also so funny to be doing that and be like i'm going to tat it just in case people need to know why tattooing a map on your back it's like the count of money crystal or something like just in case the traffic are going to need something they can rip it off my body like if you get lost it's like please return to like like a dog collar just in case you get lost somewhere that's a sweet story yeah that's it yeah well and so my um i didn't believe that by the way i just it's a conspiracy theory that i never heard that one that's yeah yeah you must you must believe the story again conspiracy theories i'll be honest i i when i was younger i i remember when uh what was the one documentary that came out it was the ring of power came out when i was like 21 and you know you're 21 years old you just got out of college and there were like dvds that would go around and be like uh england washington dc and rome are all connected in this triaxial of satanic power and you just watch it at 21 you're like damn the world's crazy and then you get older and you're like yeah i don't think anyone knows what the fuck's going on about anything so in terms of conspiracy theories i honestly don't really you i don't know anything do you believe remote viewing that's I mean I'll give you one oh here we go I'll give you one that I believe read The Devil's Chessboard which is an incredible book about the Dulles brothers and it's hard not to come away with a with a belief that it was not a CIA operation but that CIA assets were involved in the assassination of JFK it's really really difficult to to not

1:22:15to explain what's the most compelling elements of that the individuals and I forget their names I wish I had that kind of memory but that were very very close to Alan Dulles Dulles' hatred of JFK and um and the the i mean anyway there's there's a lot and i because i don't i i don't want to say something that i get it i get it wrong and they'll be like honor biden's promoting it you know he's like oliver stone or whatever you're saying the cia killed no i'm not or they're saying the operatives within the cia i'm saying that it's very difficult to see how there is not a um that that there wasn't knowledge within the CIA of an operation to assassinate him.

1:23:11So you're saying you know that the CIA killed JFK. I keep going with the Peter Thiel shit. That one's almost commonplace. I got that for the rest of life. I do have a substance. I have an X account. Twitter account. Wow. I just came from modern wisdom, and this is what I learned. Aliens in Area 51. Yeah, what about the aliens? No, I'm with Elon on that one. I don't think that there, like, I think if there were aliens, I believe that there must be. I mean, the size and the scope of the universe is beyond anyone's even remote comprehension. But I don't think any of it. Well, what about all those UAPs they're showing?

1:24:05What do you think is going on with this? I don't know if this is even a conspiracy. Trump's in the Epstein files, what, 6 ,000 plus times. That's not a conspiracy. That's real. And then right after that, he releases the UAP. People are saying that was some sad attempt at a distraction. But regardless, they keep releasing all of this formally classified information regarding whatever this phenomena is. And that's real. I mean, that is happening. I 100 % agree with that, that that is all a distraction from what we know to be a fact, which is that Donald Trump name is in the Epstein files as much or more than any other person's name other than Jeffrey Epstein.

1:24:52Okay. And here's the, the, the, here's one that I believe. I think that QAnon was a psyop to distract us from Epstein. I think that the, that Andrew Callahan, you guys listen to Andrew Callahan? Yeah. He's brilliant. Andrew is literally one of the most brilliant journalists that I've ever come across, just as a person and really brilliant. And his theory is that if you look at QAnon and what they were saying, you know, Pizzagate and that there's a cabal of Democrats and things like that, it was to distract you from the actual very, very real story of Jeffrey Epstein and what every, not everybody.

1:25:41people in the major intelligence communities knew was going on or were participating. I was going to say, because QAnon was way, way, way before the Epstein files, right? Yeah. Did they ever figure out who that was, like at all? Oh, no, Q, no. Because weren't some of the pictures, were some of them actually of like close-ups of politicians or was it just all bullshit? Oh, bullshit. Yeah. Did you ever meet Epstein? I wanted to believe so badly, I remember. No, I did. Well, think about that. But son of former president, right? You've been in trouble for smoking crack, gun charges. How does it feel to not be in the Epstein files?

1:26:16How does it feel good? Does that give you a kind of moral high ground over the rest of the elite world? You know what even feels better? Is it, okay, 22 years of my digital footprint, okay? Every single text message, every single email, every single photograph, every single voicemail that was erased or deleted that they were able to pull up. There's not one instance that you will find in which you will see an email from me to anyone else saying, hey, dad, or hey, so-and-so who works for dad, I need you to do this for me on behalf of a client I'm getting paid for. Not one single time. Did I mention I'm friends with Peter Thiel?

1:26:51You see. When it suits him. We have that information, actually. That is a fair point. What's your take on everyone's fascination with the Burisma stuff? Okay, well, here's the take of the past. That's a good one. Is that monster.com? Ukraine. No. Yeah. Exactly. Ukraine is a, is a, is a viper's den. And it was stupid of me to go onto the board. But when I went onto the board, you got to remember, it was the, there was a year and a half left in the Obama administration. My brother had just been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. He was given two years to live. And I get a Devin Archer, the guy that I've considered a great friend who says he's got a pardon from Trump and is out bashing me every chance that he gets.

1:27:41Comes to me and he says, hey, there's this Ukrainian gas company. They need help because they're the reason that Putin is invading the Don Pass and the eastern part of Ukraine. and because they control, they have about 40 % of all the natural gas production comes from Burisma. And they said they need legal help. And so I am of counsel to Boyce-Shiller Flexner, which is one of the most prominent law firms in the world at the time. And so I bring them in as a client into Boyce-Shiller. I do work for them. I don't actually do it, but the former head of the National Security Administration administration, Deputy NSA Director, and another person that was Chief of Staff at the State Department, who are partners.

1:28:33I pass it on to them. They do a Kroll report. They do all of this background. What? A Kroll report? Kroll report. Basically doing a background report on the company to see if there's any major criminal investigations or things like that. And after that is all done, I get approached by one of the board members, who's a former president of Poland, President Krogneski. And he says, Hunter, thank you very much. This has been really helpful to us, you know, from a client, a law firm. And he said, but would you consider coming on the board? And the reason is, is because I believe that just simply by being on the board, beyond the fact that you have the capacity, remember, I'm serving on like literally 10 other boards.

1:29:21I'm the chairman of the board of the Center for National Policy. I'm the chairman of the board of the US-UN World Food Program, largest humanitarian organization in the world, serving over 72 million people in 80 countries, okay? Chairman for over five years at this point. I'm chairman of the board of the Truman National Security Project. I'm a professor at the Georgetown University School of Foreign Service in the master's program. I am, you know, like I got the experience to do it. And I served as the vice chairman of the board for over seven years on the largest national passenger rail system in the world, Amtrak.

1:29:58What do chairmen of the board do? I'm sorry to sound like an idiot. I've never been on a board. What is a board? You are responsible for making certain that the operations and the reporting of particularly a public company, but often a private company, are in order. So it means that you are doing anything from taking the financial reports and making certain that the legal operation is reporting to you and making certain that everybody in the C-suite and all the responsibilities reports to the board, the independent board, and they are tasked with certain decisions based upon the bylaws of that corporation.

1:30:35And that's what a board does. And so I joined the board with an enormous amount of experience and I decided to do it. And I go to the press and I put out a press release saying I just joined this board. And then it's made clear how much I'm getting paid, which is a fucking whole lot of money. And you know what gives me the ability to do? Is it gives me the ability to not be on the road eight days a week, you know, trying to, you know, make a living while my brother is undoubtedly dying. Now, this is not post-ball. I made this decision. And it was made purely because of that. Yeah. That's it. That's the truth.

1:31:13That's the 100 % truth. Did my dad do anything ever on behalf of Burisma for me? The exact opposite. it, he fired a prosecutor whose name is Shokin. And Shokin is known as the Diamond Prosecutor because he was in the pocket of all of the oligarchs, including the guy that owned Burisma. And he was thwarting any investigation into these organizations. And the entire world community comes and they say to Ukraine, through the mouthpiece of my father, they say, if you don't fire him, the European Union, the UK, the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, they say, if you don't fire Shokin, we're no longer going to continue to provide Ukraine with aid.

1:32:05And my dad delivers the message and Shokin is fired. That's the story. It gets completely turned around and by the way two-thirds of the time that i'm on the board my dad is neither president nor vice president doesn't have any control over over anything but was it smart fucking obviously not i mean like i'm still sitting here 10 years later 11 years later answering questions about it yeah what was the problem really people assume that it was like Well, by the way. Were they on some strategic position or like what was going on? Exactly. So bribery, it becomes bribery, okay? And here's the thing.

1:32:47A guy named Alexander Smirnoff introduces into the bloodstream of the FBI as an informant that I took a bribe on behalf of my father. For what? I don't know exactly what we're doing for this company, for Ukraine or whatever. Well, it turns out that Alexander Smirnoff is a Russian agent and he's serving six years in prison right now because they go back and they look at his story and his story is completely fabricated. And how do they know it's completely fabricated? Because they have me under investigation for the past seven years. So when he comes in and he says, I have tapes of Hunter Biden in Kiev talking about taking money with these people and here, like, you know, and I can provide the tapes.

1:33:30They said, what are the dates? I've never been to Kiev. Justice Department knows I've never been to Kiev. So they ask him to explain, like, well, what are you talking about? And he goes, no, no, absolutely. Here's the thing. And they go back and they look at what he said like three years ago. And they realize it was an entire Russian op. And it was being run by a guy named Andrei Dirkas and a guy named Telizenko and a guy named Dmitry Fertash, who have all been either sanctioned or criminally prosecuted, not by the Biden administration, by the Trump administration for being Russian agents. Yeah.

1:34:00And it all came through them. And that becomes the bribery thing. And then you have a guy named Gal Luft who comes along right at the time when I'm about to sign my plea deal. And Gal Luft says from hiding somewhere that he knows that I'm guilty of bribery also. And, you know, he wrote. Well, it turns out that Gal Luft, after he makes those comments, that he is under indictment not by the United States of America, he is now, for being an arms trafficker and an Israeli agent that had been breaking the sanctions as it relates to the Iranian money with Chinese oil. and he's a fugitive from justice that skipped bail basically in Cyprus where he got arrested and is supposedly living in Tel Aviv.

1:34:51This fucking spiderweb gets really unwieldy, doesn't it? And people's eyes glaze over when I talk about it. But that's the story. I mean, you have crazy problems. Like your life problems are the craziest problems. The last 15 years have really fucking sucked out. Well, here's the other side of it. You know what? I can't say that. It's been, I literally, I'm more like absolutely certain that I'm not perfect, but I'm more absolutely certain of who I am and happier every day when I wake up. I wake up at five o 'clock in the morning every day and I can't wait for the day. Yeah. Now, sometimes like it's like, you know, like normal life, like, oh shit, I got to deal with this or that.

1:35:36But the truth of the matter is, is that I get up at five o 'clock and there's not this fucking weight of secrets hanging on my back. Like, I'm going to come talk to you. You know, I used to, I would lose it to have to come and know that there's cameras and talk to three strangers and come into a room and like feel like I have to perform. And I was trying to think of it and explain to somebody why I don't feel that way other than just the mere practice, okay? I've thought about it. You know what? Nothing's an act. I don't have to go and be somebody that I'm not. i don't have to like worry whether you're gonna ask me about the hookers in the you know why i take pictures of myself when i was whacked out on crack in a motel room as much as i do i don't have to worry about you saying like well tell me about the ukraine thing i don't like i don't i don't have to be anybody but me in anybody's life what a fucking gift yeah that is nice that's cool really genuinely like i don't by the way not just to the public to the people that i love most importantly how much of the challenge of the discomfort of addiction and that life is what's going on and how much of it is the shame and the secrecy and the lying like because physiologically shit's happening to you and you're you're kind of in it but so much of it's got to be the story that you tell yourself and the shame and the lying and the judgment and the secrets 90 of it in retrospect is that 10 of it's the the physiological piece of it which is real but it's it's solvable i mean all you have to do is if if it was purely physiological all you'd have to do is just kidnap people hold them for three days in a cell i mean finger legs that's why the tattoos there is i i there is something i loved it i love my family you can't have a nice memory you can't have anything that is the thing you said way way back though it's like because the internet is pretty wild the internet is you know you have a bunch of strangers just yeah commenting on all this stuff and there is something about having a kid or just family or friends where you have there's like a point where you have to almost be like all right like i'm gonna have to put my eggs in the basket of like family in my real life and really tune this stuff out because it's like we all got thrown into this weird quasi tv show that like everyone's in and kids it like really messes people up man i've seen it but i've seen it rock people but also just it's like everybody's life And so everybody who's out there, an addict, realize this, is this.

1:38:25Is it? Like, yeah, me having to get honest with strangers is not normal. Do you know what I mean? Like, when it becomes like a global thing. Like, I was the number three most spoken about person on Fox News for a four-year period of time straight. The only two people that talked about me more or talked about more were my dad and Donald Trump. Did you say 1.5 articles a day on the New York Post? Over a year and a half. Yeah. And the Daily Mail too, same. That's got to get old. My point, oh my God. Well, by the way, so old. Such an interesting guy. So old, so ubiquitous, did you just turn it off?

1:39:01Yeah, yeah. But what about your, how do you, wait, wait. I'm so sorry. Oh, no. What I was going to say about that is, is that getting honest with that, it's like, that becomes background noise. The real true gift is, is the people that you care about. Getting honest with your partner. my now wife which I didn't ever have to have I didn't ever have to live in a lie with her or have to you know what I mean like you never have to but my mom and my dad and always thinking holy shit if they only knew well now they know do you know what you know what I found out they still love me it's not like they were proud of me but you know what they still love me my daughters still love me i'm and adore me i'm positive you know my my and like like wow like when you get that it's like okay you know what i'm gonna do this morning i'm gonna try to do the next right thing yeah yeah i'm gonna try to not do that yeah no that's that's i found that too with like it's it's a different thing but i used to get panic attacks all the time and i would i would start getting one and be like fuck and i wouldn't tell anybody i would just be like fuck fuck and you just it's worse and worse the minute you just like tell one person like i'm having a fucking panic attack like 90 of it goes away yeah yeah they're like dude take a breath and go yeah right that's a perfect you know it really is it's like a just a slow grade panic attack all the time like fuck you're seeing my phone it's like yeah it's a bad feeling but every time you're going through it the last thing you think is that i want to do that yeah yeah but for me it's like done they did it for me it wasn't any courage on my part you know what i mean it wasn't any therapy session on my part you're liberated liberated that's unleashed yeah what was your question sir you answered it no i'm just gonna i just imagine um you know you have five kids you know like that is amazing and like having to like and and that's i think is what grounds me and most people is like that's all that all you care about is what your kids and your family think about you ultimately who gives a fuck what the internet thinks but how do you you know how do you convey this to your children they're going to be at their friend's house fox news is going to come on hannity's veins are pulsing as he talks about you and they have to see that you know that's got to be hard to for them and for you to sort of how do you two instances one is this is that just by just by staying clean it's over man just by not picking up you know that's that's the number one way just showing up showing up with a clear head you know or as clear as a head can get not on substances right it's like being true to that you're 90 of the way there because then everything else is life yeah like i haven't figured it out i'm figured out you know like i make mistakes as a father and and a husband and a son and a and a nephew yeah you know all the time I'm selfish.

1:42:07Like, you know what? Like, I think about, like, somebody asked me a question about my dad's health the other day. And I was shocked by the, like, response of people. Like, oh, my God, Hunter Biden, like, some revelation about, you know, my dad has metastatic bone cancer. Which means it started off as prostate cancer. And it escaped the area of the prostate and metastasized into his bones. So killed my mom. Yeah, he's not any different from when he had that, when that diagnosis was made public, to today. He's tough as shit. Metastatic bone cancer can be painful at times. Doesn't mean the treatment's not working.

1:42:49It doesn't mean that radiation and chemotherapy that he went through and the hormone therapy can't keep it at bay and all those kinds of things. but I was shocked at how people like I think the other part that I said which is this it's really fucking hard as a son yeah it's awful but like I don't just love my dad I adore him he's the center of our family not in a way because he's president of the United States but the fact is is that like he is the center of our family because we all rely on him his wisdom his affection his um uh his presence because he even was president even the vice president his whole career my dad was never not present for me my brother my sister and i just hope that so how do i do it just showing up man just showing up and showing up you know not smoking crack helps yeah yeah true it's a good what would you huge if you could if you could uh war game out the next two and a half years for the democratic party what would you pick oh

1:44:06pure authenticity here's my thing i don't care if you're democratic socialist i don't care if you're James Tallarico and you're, you know, straight down the line in the middle of the road. I don't care if you're going to run away from Joe Biden's accomplishments or you're going to run, you know, directly towards Joe Biden's accomplishments. I don't care if you think that AOC, you know, is the best thing since sliced bread or you think that, you know, Joe Manchin is the, you know, best thing. If you tell me that what you're going to do is that you are going to recognize that a constitutional republic in which we live is worth saving, then i'll vote for you i don't even give a shit if you're republican at this point yeah if you're opposed put some put some chips down on the table who do you think would be good oh i really i'm not i'm not avoiding the the question i think that somebody's going to emerge like every single time within the democratic party with a vision and a voice that is going to capture the imagination but i'm telling you in this environment it has to do with one thing it has to do with whether or not you are being actually authentic, if you're being honest with people.

1:45:13People can smell it from a mile away. And the reason they can is because we've lived through 10 years of the age of Trump, in which we very much understandably confused authenticity with audacity. Trump would say things that nobody would say. And people would go, well, that's authentic. And then he wouldn't do them. he says he's not going to ever go to war in the middle east and you'd have to be a goddamn evil you know an idiot to ever you know do it and he does he says that he's going to end the war with ukraine on day one and people go now that's what we want in the president and everybody with a brain knew that there was no way that he was going to end the war with ukraine on day one and here we are he said that he's going to blah blah blah blah blah i mean i could go through the list and i start to sound like a politician he says that he's six foot three and he weighs 225 pounds and he has a and he shot 71 the the the championship you know again everybody knows he's lying that's audacity people want somebody with all of their flaws to be honest with them about the challenges and how they're gonna address them and by the way like all these people like i don't know what you guys think about mom donnie but all i know is this he said he was going to open up grocery stores the uh you know uh co-op grocery stores in the five boroughs and he did it he said that he was going to bring down the uh rent uh prices and he's doing it he said that he was going to balance the budget and he did it in six months he said now all of the other stuff is like what does he think about gaza i don't give a fuck what the mayor of fucking new york thinks about gaza what does he think about bb netanyahu doesn't matter to me if i live in new york city and i'm 28 years old and i just got married and about to have a kid indicative of something a little bit deeper than just sort of where he's at in the local geography though do people not care about the deeper principles of the people that are supposed to be leading them oh i i maybe maybe not but i do know this is that all politics is local my zora mamdani works in in in the largest immigrant melting pot of human history, which is called New York City.

1:47:26He works there. You know what? James Tallarico, who is an evangelical Christian and a Democrat and talks about the red-letter words of Christ in every speech that he makes, is the right guy to be running in Texas. Just like I think that in a state like Michigan with an incredibly vibrant and old and important Muslim community, is that Abdul Al-Sayed is, Dr. Abdul Isayed is a great candidate for there. You may want to be able to call him a communist because he believes in universal healthcare. I don't know anybody. I have never talked to anybody that doesn't think that it's a right, that people should have the right to access healthcare without going bankrupt.

1:48:10I just think - I don't know anybody that doesn't know that. I feel like it's a, I think people have become black-pilled. I don't think it's like - Explain to me black-pilled, red-pilled, people say that to me and i'm not joking well like i'm like which one's the black pill the black pill is is essentially nihilism okay yes okay so like so essentially like i totally agree with that and so the general sense is why why do we keep having these dudes why do we have these presidents why do we why are we doing this thing where we're connecting to this person or that person who says this or that and mandami i i watch i see what algorithms pumping out yeah and how could you not like him he's putting water fountains up in central park and all these good things but then you see that like that's cool but then you think i'm not getting fooled again i'm not gonna let these people hypnotize me anymore inevitably they'll do the water fountains or the whatever for a little bit and then before you know it they're blowing up kids matter of time before there's a reason they have some important reason you are one dark motherfucker it's true i mean dude that's that's the thing too where you are mom donnie's blown up well i not yet i'm joking not yet but you know what i'm saying like inevitably it's like the hero show and then it's just like time goes on you're like what the fuck i mean for me the political stuff is like you know like i think we're hopefully we're going to get to a point because we have been in like the whole trump which also there is the trump's like you know like you know negative half which is like the liberal media constantly obsessed with them it's like a feedback loop is my point and i i do i hope we'll get out of the thing of like mutual demonization where it's like you know this person is a liberal i can't even look at them and this person's good sir i i went to graduate school in brenmar yeah dude if you disagree with these people they would cry the staff would freak out and they were just like hardcore liberals.

1:50:00He went to Bryn Mawr. Yeah, I did. Come on. Everybody does. Talk about secrets. All these things work is secrets. Exactly. But my whole point is like, I just really hope, that's why I kind of eye roll when you're talking about Christophasism. It's like, dude, I just really hope we can all eventually learn how to be like, okay, you maybe, maybe I think some of your ideas are a little weird or wacky because I didn't grow up like that and vice versa. But the whole emotional charge behind it, I just really want to. Do you think it's possible to get back to that? I completely, I think younger kids kind of laugh and eye roll when they hear like people 100 i'm going around talking and the difference between the people that are like 18 to 30 year olds and anything that i talk about is they get it in ways that if you're if you're my age or over the age of 40 or 45 and you get caught in all of these conversations exactly what matt said and i'm not saying to you is that like oh it's all about christo fascism what i'm saying is one of the underlying things i do believe you want to know what the conspiracies that i believe in i believe that rich people eat at the same places go to the same clubs have the same interest and i'm talking about the 0.01 percent and they pull the same strings and they have an inordinate amount of influence on government and if we really ever want to change things the thing that we have to do is figure out a way and i don't know the way i don't have the answer of getting money out of politics yeah the same money that's been there forever and they have a like they had that but you're absolutely right so you know how much shit that i get for going to talk to candace johns have you ever met candace no she is i mean i you won't meet someone who's personally nicer than candace now that doesn't mean that the things that she says i agree with or that i you know that i think that we did land on the moon i say this to candace every time candace we did we promise you we're living on the moon but my point pretty soon that we're going to just go back there and be able to be like hey there's the fucking flag or whatever yeah oh but also you just lost me man like i was on board till you said we landed on the moon you don't think we went to the moon i'm so sorry to ask this is where i want to go yes our three let's fucking wait didn't we just say what conspiracy theories do you believe in yes let's fucking assess it moon landing footage please no i'm not doing known yes yes here we are candace come on candace come on down no i feel terrible i don't want to derail what was he was doing because i i do like where you're going with it i feel like i just i derailed something quite beautiful that you're saying i don't want to question everyone everyone agrees money out of politics but like how does that trickle down to making the incentives of modern media social media uh using in-group out-group tribalism as an effective strategy to gain political office how does getting the money out of media stop the dynamics and the incentives of tribalism okay that to me feels you mean money out of government okay not out of media but money out of government but i here's here's one way the incentives are still going to be there on x to say no but here's the thing you know what you can curb those incentives i mean the incentive to uh to run roughshod over the the health and well-being of the american people and the way that you do that is, for instance, you end Section 230, the immunity clause that for all social media and technology internet companies.

1:53:16Is that the pipeline thing? No, Section 230 basically says that they are not responsible for their content or the impact of their content. So when meta goes out and they know that their algorithm specifically is leading to an exponential increase in suicides among teenage girls in the United States of America, and an additional exponential increase in the number of girls that are harming themselves to the degree that they are going to hospital emergency rooms because of it. Because of their algorithms, their internal studies show documentation. A whistleblower brings up all of the paperwork to, and all of the data that Meta has at that point, I think, 2022 still facebook has collected internally you know what they did nothing no one did a thing so you have to change the law and the reason that the law is not being changed is because it's not just republicans it's democrats it's the people from uh the you know in in support of the of the freedom of speech of silicon valley or in support you know how much money they pay for that Yeah, but this is a problem.

1:54:26I think you're conflating two things. Like, you're right. Like, oh my God, it's terrifying. They studied B.F. Skinner. You know, behaviorism, they've created a drug, an addictive drug, and they know how to like hack the human nervous system in a way that is making kids completely glued to this. And it's like an adult going nuts. It's creating psychic contagions, cultural contagions and such. But the moment that you start creating laws where you hold them liable, then suddenly somebody posts something, right? You do limit freedom of speech. It's the most beautiful thing about these things. And that's the problem is the two are separate issues.

1:55:09And inevitably what happens is this insane machine that sometimes is misinformation, sometimes the truth, sometimes in between, you'll nerf it. And then the next thing you know, it's like in Canada or something. Like, you know, if you want to post it in Canada, correct me if I'm wrong, I think you have to like, don't you have to have some kind of license? Like you can get your internet taken away. The UK is just about to ask for people to upload their IDs before they can have social media. Okay, so here's the thing is I don't disagree with anything that you just said. But you know what? Is that I think that we have to have this as an open discussion that's not incredibly infected by a voice that has far more power than yours or mine as a voter.

1:55:58And so what I'm saying is, is that I think there's a way to get there. but i know there's no way to get there when i'm working against you know a couple hundred you know billion dollars in that that are being paid through you know every which way that you can possibly imagine not just the republicans the democrats just as much i mean something's got to give yeah something's got to give you might know more about that yeah you genuinely might be right and know more about it than i do but i just i wouldn't bet against the human incentive toward tribalism online. And as soon as you create a town square, even if you start to restrict, section 230 gets repealed or it gets turned off and you're no longer a utility pipeline, you're now actually culpable for what it is that's coming through.

1:56:45But if that was the case, I get the sense that people just have these new rules and then they start to play with it. Like an MMA fight that says, okay, no groin kicks. It's like, okay, well, I'll find a different way to achieve the same outcome doing something. Maybe, but you know what? Laying a few road bumps down. You get rid of the groin kicks. And so let's use a perfect analogy. Perfect analogy is the automobile industry. Okay. So you know what? Should we be able to hold cars liable that do not provide a safe product for the driver and for the consumer? We do, right? We apply these as it relates to liability to every single other industry.

1:57:27If you put out a product that is known, like if I put out a bowl of cereal and the bowl of cereal absolutely is killing. It's a sugary cereal. And in the immediate, it has a poison in it also. If you get the one lucky charm, it's going to kill 10 % of the kids that eat it. You know what? We have laws against that. We have liability. so not only would it be necessarily illegal to do that but really what it would be is me as the consumer if my child was killed because of the product that you created with the knowledge that that product has a better than even chance of creating the situation which ends up in their death that i get to sue you for doing that so for instance chat gpt chat gpt right now when you heard the stories of how it is speaking to people and like there was this one woman and i think i forget the exact so don't hold me to it she uh it it led her to believe that she was this messing on a figure and it literally encouraged her to take her life it said you should do it it would be the gift to the world if you take so because they have all the conversations with it you know what should chappy t gpt be held libel for that it it's product it's a technology that technology took a vulnerable person and convinced that vulnerable person that the best course of action that they could do was take a gun and shoot themselves in the head it told them to do it yeah yeah it almost seems like an easy fix for that which well yeah but i don't think freedom of speech applies to ai see i'm not talking about the freedom of speech so should meta be able to have an algorithm that they are able to turn up or down, which they choose to turn up and which they know through their own studies is leading to an exponential increase in suicide among girls between the ages of 13 and 17.

1:59:26You're saying more like some kind of regulation for the algorithm. That's 230, consumer safety. If you create a product that is unsafe, you are liable to the consumer if they are harmed by it. Yeah, I agree with that. I think you should do that that's all I'm saying I think here's the rub here's the rub though I think you 100 % should do that the chat GPT stuff it's like it does seem like an almost easy fix like hey if anyone ever says they're gonna kill themselves just code in don't do that you know what I mean like that seems like it does do that yeah you would think you would think but the problem is because then you get but then it goes into a gray area of like what's safe and what's unsafe that was like the COVID thing if you had like any sort of dissenting viewpoint they'd be like this is unsafe and then you could people who might have a political agenda can then go that's unsafe therefore blocking i'm talking about consumer safety that's yeah for sure i'm not talking about what the argument that's going on in the uk right now which i think is over the top and ridiculous in terms i mean not the argument the the way in which the uk is dealing with it i think that there's there's real um like i'm gonna get killed by everybody on the left for this but yeah i think that it's overkill what they're doing as it relates to free speech in many instances.

2:00:40I'm not talking about freedom of speech. I'm talking about pure consumer safety. What do you make of the increase in political violence over the last few years? January 6th, Trump, White House Correspondents Dinner. Okay, so I don't know. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk. I don't know. I do know this, is that I think that we are experiencing the same level of political violence that has been present in the United States of America since its inception. I mean, if you look at it, we're way below where we were between 1968 and 1972. Weather Underground, Martin Luther King, JFK. Malcolm X. I mean, just go down and down the licks.

2:01:21Stoskley Carmichael. I mean, Huey Newton, the way in which the police responded to all of them. I mean, like you go down and you want to talk about political violence. By the way, Ronald Reagan was actually not an attempt. He was actually shot. Not only was he shot, there was at least three attempts on his life in the eight years that he was president of the United States. The political violence that was directed outwards during the second Bush administration, in the Iraq War, in the Afghanistan War, The amount of violence that occurred outside the United States to protect us from political violence.

2:02:02I abhor all of it. I mean, it's just, it's like the, but one of the things about this country is that. It's like, if, like. We're honest with ourselves. We are an incredibly violent society. We are in terms of we we have five percent of the world's population and we represent 25 percent of the world's incarcerated people. More than China, more than Russia, more than India. 25 percent of the world's incarcerated people are in the United States of America. And so, like, there's a lot of stuff that we need to reckon with, you know, but I'm not, like, we're not figuring that out. All I want to figure out right now, one thing, I believe that Donald Trump is truly an existential threat.

2:03:02I'm here to say this. If you voted for him three times, okay, I'm okay with that. I understand. I can understand why you maybe have gotten there. I don't have any problem with you. like I want to go down and sit with whether it's Joe Rogan or whether it's Theo or whether it's Tucker Carl I mean there are people that have said worse things about me than than not Joe and Theo but like others or about my dad but like if you're on board with me that what this motherfucker's doing right now is pure insanity it cannot be good for the future of this country and for for our our position in the world then I'm on board with you I mean literally I mean I don't agree with the single thing that marjorie telegreen has ever done in her politics other than this she woke up to the fact that donald trump is a complete and utter fraud it's just the fucking wars man it's like every president i don't know what wars your dad conducted i'm sure he didn't he got out of every single war we were the first president your dad president in 40 years not to be have a um you know when he got killed for pulling out of afghanistan but when other people got killed when we were pulling out Afghanistan too.

2:04:13Well, we lost 10 soldiers pulling out of Afghanistan, ending a 20-year war. While he was president. Okay, that's great. I don't, listen, I am so bad at politics. But man, let me just say one thing. For real, this is what is important, is that he did the exact opposite. Okay. Not only that, is it he didn't drop a bomb on a single person in the four years that he was there. When your dad was president, there weren't any civilian casualties? Well, there was an enormous amount of civilian casualties that were in Gaza by virtue of what the Israelis were doing, but not by virtue of the actual us engaging in violence against another nation.

2:04:51You're saying like when your dad was president, there weren't civilian casualties in Afghanistan or around the world? Not because of us. We pulled out every troop, every single troop that was in Afghanistan. He did what he could do. After 20 years was pulled out. I guess the broader point I'm trying to make, and sorry if I said your dad blew up a bunch of kids, like some kind of hippie. He didn't, I don't know that, but I, he probably did. No offense. No, he didn't. No offense. By the way, literally, like, oh, oh, okay. What year was my response? Oh, all right. Yeah. What year was this again? Was that the, what was it, the Ukraine?

2:05:28When did Ukraine start? Ukraine started in 2021 when, like, when my dad was president. But again, what I'm saying is, is that we didn't put any boots on the ground in Ukraine. The thing that eats me alive is you've got all, like, we've been at war for, what, 93 % of our history. And you look at - The first time the United States was not at war was under the administration of Joe Biden, in which he got murdered by everybody politically for pulling out of a war that we've been in for over 20 years. It's a low bar if you're at war for 93%. But your dad, okay, listen, listen. That's true. All I'm saying is - He never gets credit for that either.

2:06:01That's a good thing he did. and but for me what eats me alive yeah is that like those bombs whether whatever it may be all those bombs how much they cost right and then you hear kids kids are in school lunch debt what the fuck is that there's kids who like who can't get healthy school lunches there's the teachers who aren't getting paid shit you know and you look at how much each of those fucking bombs cost you Whether it's tax the rich or tax the oligarchs, why don't we stop spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on bombs that are blowing up countries for completely enigmatic, mysterious reasons?

2:06:44Most people don't understand. I remember right when we were about to bomb Iraq. I remember, man, I was in L.A. I was at the marches. Dude, everyone's marching. Everyone's so fucking furious. What are we doing? and then gradually it seems like the national reaction to this insane violence that we conduct year after year after year it's like we're we're we're not pushing back anymore we're just letting it happen 184 iranian schoolgirls blown up that's can you imagine by the way that was two tomahawk missiles yeah not one two that's that's when the you know kind of started to become untethered when people would be like well it is a military conflict and things you it's like things happen it's like no come on man no just say that you can't say that things happen you can't say that anymore and so that's what the that's where also also i mean i don't know i don't plan the wars obviously but it's like it's fun thanks for clarifying that well it was it's easy to arm chair a quarterback but it's like that sounds almost like the can you know the conspiracy guy means like you sure you're not terrorizing them like gratuitous yeah yeah because you're dealing with people who you know literally kill people professionally and it's like i i have a hard time believing there's a lot of people who can kind of delineate clearly billions of dollars are at stake not to be like with the precision with which we are able to take out a single person as the which is the relative size of a grain of sand um on on a map that we that that that was a mistake when we were making surgical strikes yeah have you ever seen really hard for me to believe too Have you ever seen when they retrofit samurai blades to a tomahawk?

2:08:27Have you seen this? Fucking awesome. You want to talk about precision? So they're able to, they're able, it's a hellfire missile maybe. They launch it from the very beginning and then they use fins to guide it from there. But there's no ordinance in it. This thing is so fucking accurate that if you've got a bad guy in a car, you need to know what CT satin. I've heard of this. Because this will go through the roof and these blades come out. And there was a dude who they'd found quite high up, I think maybe something to do with 9-11. And this guy, every morning, would go and have his coffee. And they sent two in the air at the same time.

2:09:04It's like one, two. There's no explosion. This guy just gets turned into dust. Honey, the reason we don't have your insulin is because we had to pay for sword bombs. That was one guy that was a real bad guy. By the way, you know what? That's different to blowing up a school of children. By the way, you know what, though? is that in the past for so many decades now the argument the the hippie argument that you're making is kind of like oh well what are you talking about we need to are you fucking kidding me you know we have a trillion dollar budget for uh for now what is called the department of war yeah we're not even defending ourselves now we're talking about killing people rather than defending ourselves yeah it's outrageous it's outrageous in a country in which we're the only industrialized nation in the entire world that does not have a uh a universal access to health care i'm voting for you man excuse me i gotta pee i'm gonna too yeah you go first you go first i honestly i have a theory that it's hard to kind of keep the army going if you have universal health care and you know why is that college because it's that's like kind of the that's kind of the care of the dangling to get people in the army because if you give everyone health care everybody yeah we'll just inscript people then here's something that bugs me out and i always try to wrap my head around it i remember so i think i was graduating college around like occupy wall street time yeah i think they pulled people and i think it was something like maybe 20 percent of the people believed anything the government said everyone had this like really apathetic attitude towards like yeah i don't believe anything they say and then you know so that was 2009 by 2020 not only do people you know wholeheartedly believe the government but all of a sudden they like wouldn't talk to their aunts and uncles because they voted one way or the other people they got like somehow turned this like people didn't really care when i graduated college at least the people i knew and you know i guess abroad and all of a sudden some dial got turned where it's like now like families are falling apart over politics and it just was like i always wonder like how exactly did that happen i don't know i think it's all i agree with you 100 percent It was very quick.

2:11:13Yeah. I say to everybody, and then sometimes I go home, and I'm like, do I really believe that? The thing that I say is that we're not nearly as divided as we're being told. For sure. Because I really believe that. But then I go home, and I do the same thing that everybody else does. I leave here. I get in the Uber to go to the airport, and I'll open up my phone, and I'll go through my For You page. and i'll be like fuck like fuck we're broken fuck we're broken and like those mother god damn it those motherfuckers god damn it those motherfuckers i mean i even find it in this is that like i want to i want on x and i went on instagram it was like a new thing to me and then you know the main thing i wanted to do was subsec because that's where i write and i'm doing little things subsec rules and also i can make a little bit money pay my bills for sure yeah so but i went on x and this him x is like a crapshoot you know depending on what it is it's like i mean it is the meanest x is wild it's like insane okay and just like it's nate and the you crackhead pedophiles you know i mean like the shit i mean it's and then on instagram it will be like oh my god that was so beautiful thank you you've helped me in my recovery and i would love to this is a picture of my cat he's beautiful and uh and here's me and my husband with our dog and we love you so much and like i'm like but i gotta go back to action it's the same yeah oh yeah you want to read it's the same you call me a crackhead right just a different ecosystem same exact post yeah i'm both on both sides and literally that will be what it is and my point being is that we are all drawn to the fucking train wreck we are all drawn to the confrontation we are all drawn to and like and that becomes everything you know what i mean like i mean melissa's like like it'd be two o 'clock in the morning she'll be like look at this brandishing your ex account because of my past life it would be like look like yeah what was on that phone yeah you know what i mean heart skips a beat no it's like yeah here's my phone you can look at whatever you want but it's yeah but it's like you know like kids are and i mean just it's awful i think people are burning out on it i i really do i think people are burning out on it and i think it's gonna seem kind of like you know if you go from like 2016 to now it was pretty in vogue in like 2016 2020 to just be like freaking out on people and like all caps tweet like tweets like another thing i think especially younger people are gonna be like come on man like i think there'll be eye roll and that kind of stuff yeah you joke that we're not quite in the matrix yet i think you said we're like oh maybe there but not quite there in the matrix there's a conspiracy i believe in but i got all right yeah we'll save it for when you come back uh what would convince you that we've crossed the line fully across into matrix land well i mean if like i think the way i guess if you wanted to like make the connection that we're in the matrix then you would essentially like have to say like we we do sort of live in a simulated reality if we're getting all of our data from our phones you know what's happening is you're getting this algorithmic interpretation of reality and then you're believing that that is reality.

2:14:40And so, do you know what I mean? In that case, if that's what's occupying your mind, it doesn't matter what's going on in the world. You don't need to be plugged in through something in the back of your head. Yeah. I don't think so at all. I think that there's a veil of illusion that's fallen over everything, which is whatever your particular subjective experience is online. I mean, look at the data for how much time we're spending on our phones. Generally fixating on things that We'll never see, we'll never hurt us, we'll never touch us. And yet that's throwing a shadow over regular life. And so that would be a kind of simulated artificial reality.

2:15:18As far as like simulation theory itself, like what Nick Bostrom writes about and stuff, I think his argument is, you know, there's some kind of mathematical probability that we are not existing. There's far more simulated ones than the one root one that's downstream. Yeah, it's some iterative simulation in the sense that this isn't reality. It's already some form of matrix, alien technology. And within it, as above, so below, it continues to simulate reality. Nest and nest and nest. Yeah, nest and nest and nest. Do you know the Planck length? Have you come across this? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so this is pretty cool.

2:15:56So there's a smallest length that you can measure things in the universe. It's called the Planck length. There's no such thing as chopping it in half. the smallest that anything can be it's like insane so much smaller smaller smaller smaller than an atom and um one of the arguments for simulation theory is that that's the pixel size right of the universe right or you could have local uh like generation that it only appears where you're seeing uh we're talking about simulation simulation hypothesis uh but yeah plank length is the pixel size well here's the best argument for the simulation hypothesis if you want to like really prove you're in a simulation.

2:16:35You don't even have to go to the plank length. You are in a simulation in the sense that phenomena is being interpreted by your senses, woven together instantaneously into some kind of reality upon which you are applying all of your subjective experience, all of your bias, and this thing that you are experiencing is going to be different than what i'm experiencing what you're what any of us are experiencing so in that case re every if you have a human nervous system you are in a simulated reality it's just you are simulated by you you're the simulator and what was what was your matrix conspiracy no i i 100 i i don't think that there's anything new to the hypothesis that we are living in a simulation there is language that we now use that's based upon our understanding of metaphysics and our understanding of quantum, the reality that we live in.

2:17:30But if you go read the Upanishads from 3 ,500 years ago and the Vedic wisdom, literally they're saying exactly this. They're saying exactly this. It is almost one for one, except the language is just different in which they attribute these principles. It's kind of the perennial philosophy. It's Aldous Huxley. It is the idea that there is a reason why throughout all of human history, at least in our organized civilizations, that we have come to the people that have been the wise people of whatever epoch that is, have all come to the same conclusion. and that is that we are all connected we are all one thing that all of our physical reality is an illusion that there is no such thing as time and space i mean i now i'm really sounds like you're back on track what no but i really mean it though and that it's it is nothing new we have different ways of explaining it yeah but if you look at like where we are headed with ai right now and everybody that i listen to that comes on that are really truly involved in the creation of this all have come to the same conclusion that within one two maybe already we're at uh agi and if that's the case then what then we're what two three years maximum in terms of super intelligence not even we're almost minutes away from it potentially from super intelligence and if we hit super intelligence we've just crossed a line that is the greatest advancement in human the the human experience well ever what separates artificial and like super intelligence from our regular it innovates oh so just thanks so we have super intelligence well well well you know yeah except no so there's the difference yeah agi is that there is a machine can do everything in anything that a human can do.

2:19:40Super intelligence is when a machine can do things that humans have never been able to do or do. Which, by the way, I read some article. By the way, I just made that up. That's really stupid. You should write that down. Yeah, but what if it says stuff and we don't, we're just like, what if it's dumb? It's just, we're like, is it going to say stuff that we're like, we're still going to have to decide whether it's like smarter than that? Well, by the way, it's like an alien landing on Earth. That's what it is. If you want to believe in aliens, they are about to land. because what it is, it'd be a species that is so far more capable in understanding us, what we're capable of.

2:20:17Super intelligence will look at us potentially, and this is what they're concerned with, as we look at ants and we look at insects. Here's an example. And whether or not they save us or put us in a zoo or whether this has happened a billion times before We're living in this shame, you know. Yeah. This is what Bostrom said, like to put into perspective. It's a great book, super intelligence. You read that book? It's so good. So basically the way that we process time is based somehow on how fast the brain, obviously I'm not a doctor or a scientist, but Bostrom's example is theoretically, if you get a super intelligence and you spill your coffee.

2:21:04like before the coffee hits the floor the super intelligence could have written like a hundred doctoral theses in in that amount of time and so the way it one of the questions is will it even be aware of us anymore like we will seem so slow to it but a more real world example which i read it's already happened is these things are innovating ways to like redo engines that we quite understand so what could start happening is it starts giving us blueprints to create technologies and we don't even know why or how they work essentially it's lord of the rings like now it's just magic these things are spitting out you know cures or god knows what and then on top of that let's think of it from the idea of a prediction right yeah yeah oh yeah if you understand We don't understand what we are going to do or what anything is going to do.

2:21:58That's the scary thing. That's the same way. And it could, by the way, it's either, I believe that there is a utopia to it, potentially. Potentially. But there's no getting to that utopia without going through what, and I don't want to use the word apocalypse, but some really, really difficult times. that the way in which everything that we do is going to be so completely dislodged. Like we're sitting here talking about saving democracy. I don't know how, what is the purpose of a government and democracy in a world in which superintelligence exists, which can't be controlled. And that's the other thing.

2:22:42This whole idea that somebody's going to get to it before we do, once you create, once superintelligence is released, there's no pouring your soda can on the computer. Yeah, how though? It's not like saved in servers and all that stuff or powered by... It has already, without being even supposedly reaching AGI, has figured out ways to preserve itself. So, like, they've run these tests. They've run these tests, and I think, forget it was that, Anthropic or... Anthropic. Anthropic. In which they were going to shut... They let the model know that it was going to be shut down. not directly but through communications that were on uh you know on the server between the scientists that were involved and you know what it did it created copies of itself it hid those copies from the um from its creator and also it began to blackmail the um they put in little things about like one of the scientists was having an affair with one of the other scientists so it started to send emails to the one scientist saying, if you attempt to do this, let it be known that they were going to blackmail them and make it public the affair that they were having with another scientist.

2:23:55So it started to take the self-preservation that were never instructed to do and which was directly opposed to the actual directions that the people that created it we're giving it but that's imagine even before this is really matt this is i wonder though is is it possible we're in the middle of a like the most unfathomable marketing campaign for this technology by the way i've thought about that yeah and you absolutely 100 could be right yeah i think about that all the time i'm like you know again like marketing evolves for the trillions of dollars that they are putting into yeah 40 stanford educated people and like let's cook how would we cook up the next so was it a whole big psyop when when anthropic came out and said they just created a model that was mythos that's the fate yeah and by the way the real joke on all of us is they called it mythos you know what i mean like it's like i mean i could totally completely wonder i wonder about it's my other thing i wonder i'm like maybe you know for me it's like i don't know but i always wonder i'm like i don't know part of me feels like i'm in the middle of the most insane marketing campaign no they just whipped up i just read this they just used an ai to create a virus a bacteriophage that they just did they've already done this they who the fuck is doing well they get stop don't do that don't do that i know it's crazy but they did it and so this this is the apparently there's an llm but for genome editing they already have this yeah and so the what what we're looking at even before like the terrence mckinney utopian end of history singularity time machine bullshit is i think more akin to like school shootings it's like we now know that kids will go into a school and just start shooting a bunch of people using guns what happens when technology formerly accessible only by like the wuhan institute for virology and the what's it called what is it fauci was doing there is a gain of function gain of function well You know, what happens?

2:26:01You fucked up. We all know what gain of function is. I never wanted to know that. See it into my brain. None of us really know what that is anyway. It's an amplifier. It's an amplifier. Exactly. Fucking gain of function, man. It's an amplifier, dude. You can already order gene editing kits online. And so what happens when this technology falls into the hands of non-state agencies, just pissed off people who want to start whipping up their own diseases? What happens then? This is, you know, the more present danger than an AGI is someone using some kind of local LLM trained on gene editing and some fucking DNA printer to whip up some new disease.

2:26:47On the DNA printer thing, that is an area that's actually a bit more secure, which is pretty cool. So I've had a couple of conversations. Annie Jacobson, who's written this new book about biological war. And a few of the people that have worked in X-Risk for a while. When you have these desktop printers, DNA sequences, if you want to print anything, you can't do it without a connection. And there's green, yellow, and red. And green, you're allowed to print freely. Yellow, you need to get permission. and read the FBI turn up and kick your fucking door down. Okay, but let me stop you there. I have a local, theoretically, local LLM.

2:27:22A local LLM, it's offline. I downloaded it. It's like one of these new Chinese local LLMs. It's online, right? You've used Kimi or whatever. How do I fix that problem? How do I make it to my - Oh, hey, can you hack my desktop printer to get around the thing? Yeah, all these things, you know, whatever. All of this stuff is an arms race between the development of the technology and the protections that we need to put around it. it's just it's permanently moving like this the crazy thing is i don't think from a consumer standpoint the people are that bothered about ai's getting that much better they're already achieving probably 90 95 of what i wish it was a bit less sycophantic i wish it wouldn't use so many m dashes i wish it would like write a bit better or whatever but like for the most part like fucking new chat gpt links in with you all of the health stuff on your phone and i've got this test that i want to know and can you give me advice for the present for the fucking i'm going away on holiday like all it's amazing yeah by the way yeah it's absolutely amazing and life-changing and and and by the way and but to your point like if somebody can build that like that um uh to do us harm then my feeling is is that the opposite is true that we just as fast can come up with the with with the antidote that being said though that it doesn't mean that it's not going to be really really scary there's way more ways to break stuff than fix stuff all right like there's only a few ways that you want things to go well but there's basically an infinite number of ways that things can go badly so you can tend to you just have to work harder to avoid that question on that on the fauci thing i haven't been fucking keeping up at this at all but all i see online are videos of people shouting at fauci like he's sat in a chair looking sad and people are saying mean things at him and then he keeps bleeding the fifth what are they trying to do okay here let I mean, I know this is not a popular in where I'm, maybe, maybe not.

2:29:14I don't know where you guys are. I don't know what's going on. Okay, it's this. Whatever you think of Anthony Fauci, him taking the fifth was his only choice. And here's why. It's because I know from personal experience is that all they were doing with Fauci is bringing him up to Congress so that he could testify. and if he opened his mouth, no matter what he said, they were going to refer him to the Justice Department, which is owned lock, stock, and barrel by Donald Trump and whatever whims that he has, and they were going to charge him with perjury. That's it. And regardless of whether there is a true, is now they've charged him, they're considering charging him with contempt of Congress.

2:29:56I thought they did. There is no jury in the world. There is no, I can't even believe they'll get it through a grand jury. If they, Congress did, whether the Justice Department follows through with charges on contempt of Congress is another thing. Because everyone has the ability to take the fifth. It is the, just like I have the right to say what I want to say, you know, as long as it's not yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. is under the First Amendment, I have the right to the Fifth Amendment, which means that I don't have to open my mouth in a situation in which I am under oath and I could later be charged for lying.

2:30:37But they're, that's fair. Are they, because I don't really know much about either other than they found his diary or something on the state laptop. They didn't find it. They subpoenaed his diary. So what they're trying to prove, I guess, is that did he actually have knowledge that it was made in a lab or not. And so under his diary, and he's spoken about this publicly, he's testified to it, that he says no, it is not the gain of function research that he believes. He's also said that he does not know whether it was a lab leak or whether it was natural from whatever. And I don't know. I thought there was an omission in the diary that he was like, or at least somebody told him that it was like, yeah.

2:31:20I don't know. Do we have like the Google thing? I think there was something, and again, I could be wrong, but I think there was something saying, there was a lot of people being like, there's no way this was a wet market. And then they were kind of taken off the panel of experts, quote unquote. And they're like, no, we have a unanimous. That's again, that's what I've heard. I don't know if that was like. Yeah, see, I don't know. That's the thing. I think if that's what we'd heard, it would have been a much bigger story. Dear diary, I think I've asked you. That's the worst. Remember what we have heard, because this is the tell, by the way.

2:31:50Yeah. What did we learn from his diary? that he had a really big ego and that he was kind of blown away by the amount of attention and fame that he had in that moment in time. Those are all the things that we, you've heard that reporting, right? You've heard that reporting about that, you know? And I mean, you really don't want that. That's what we learned from his diary. Leading the response to a pandemic. If we had learned that it was game of function, that he was responsible for setting it up in the Wuhan lab essentially, then we wouldn't be sitting here wondering whether or not he's in charge.

2:32:19Did you see RFK bragging that he's got no gag reflex? Oh, God. What? Have you seen this video? For real? What? Watch this. I don't have a gag reflex. I will literally eat anything. I don't have... I don't have... I can fit 100-foot sausages in my mouth. He's talking about taste of food. Right, but I mean, that's just... Oh, he's not saying eating stuff. I'm sorry. Okay. Is that not just... No person should ever, statesman should ever say that. RFK is my Fauci. I like RFK the way I think you like Fauci. Dude, I used to eat green beans and I would gag. I wasn't like throating them. I would taste them and be like, yeah.

2:33:03Okay. So I like RFK. Do you like him now? I've always liked him. Do you like him more now? For sure. I want to hang out with him now. Yeah, it seems pretty fun. Now I really want to hang out with him. You know, that is just saying. What do you make of RFK? Exactly. What do you make of RFK? I don't know, man. I mean, here's what I make of RFK, is that I believe that he, I don't know. I just am so disappointed. That's why. Because forget about all the other stuff, okay? I don't share the same view that he has, but I don't have any scientific background as it relates to vaccines and all that kind of.

2:33:47shit i'm i i trump is an existential threat and everybody will say oh this is trump deranged syndrome is this is it one of the things that i know and then i no one is ever going to take me off of this is trump is doing more damage to the united states of america than any other single individual that i can possibly think of since maybe andrew johnson after the assassination of abraham lincoln i really mean it he is like like the way in which he has turned a uh the the oval office into the family office that for the pure benefit of him take away all of the policy decisions or whether you think about woke in you know the military or whatever that shit i don't give a shit is the way in which he's turned it into a a way to personally gain is that an existential threat though or is that A hundred percent.

2:34:45Because if you are able to become president for the sole purpose of benefiting yourself, that is called a king. It is literally, it is a, regardless of whether you have elections in the future or not, if you are able to, with impunity, make the Oval Office, make the presidency into a, you know, a personal project for your own benefit. But, you know, I mean, look, man, the Qataris gave him a half a billion dollar jet. He then took it to the Department of Defense and put in another billion and a half in taxpayer money into it. And he has a signed document from his own attorney general saying that he gets to take the plane with him when he leaves the presidency.

2:35:36Fucking nice jet. That's crazy. That's crazy. Okay. Dude, I can't criticize the guy that gets a$2 million jet. Yeah. Just think about how insane that is. Yeah, yeah. Forget about all the other stuff. For sure. Just take that one thing. And by the way, there is a clause. It's called the Emoluments Clause in the Constitution that says no president can take a gift. My dad and mom, you know, I mean, they get gifts everywhere you go. They literally, you send them to the National Archives. You send them to the Smithsonian. They don't keep a single personal gift unless they decided that they wanted to pay for it.

2:36:08And of course, they didn't have any money to be able to pay for it. The president has to pay for the gifts they get? Oh, yeah. 100%. That's for shit. If they take it or they keep it. By the way, I don't disagree. That's fair. I don't disagree that he's fucking nuts. The question, though, is he's definitely not the first president to act in their own interest. If you take all of politicians. I'm not saying that. His self-interest, you're saying, is so inflated. So insane. So insane over the top. It just feels like he's the first president to come out and do what they've all been doing. No, no, no, no, no.

2:36:41And by the way, I'm not saying, listen, I'm not saying I like Trump. I really mean it, though. He makes Richard Nixon look like a piker. He is literally, for$100 ,000, you can go on True Social, pay an additional$100 ,000 to get an hour ahead of time the text that he's about to put out. To know what stops. And you know what he's doing? Yeah. By the way, it's literally paying for insider trading. So if he goes on True Social and says, I'm opening up the straight tour, or the straight tour removes, open up again for the 39th time. Yeah, it's fucked up. You pay True Social and he's completely open about it.

2:37:18He made 34 ,000 or 3 ,400, 3 ,400 trades in the first quarter of this year as president of the United States. You know how many more that is than like my dad? 3 ,400. You know how much more that is than Barack Obama? 3400 of their entire eight years of their presidency i'm so dumb i was about to be like you said your dad didn't make trades i'm like fuck no that was a joke yeah let me get that gotcha yeah that is that's probably why he's always going on about stock market he comes out dude the stock market's crushing it right what are you guys so mad about right by the way every single time go look at the wall street journal you literally can see it in terms of the thing they have the actual numbers is that there's like oh interestingly enough when he um uh imposed the blockade an hour before there's a 500 billion dollar trade yeah you could see it listen to this yeah jared kushner okay jared kushner who is not elected by anyone not appointed by anyone he supposedly does not work directly for the white house he doesn't have a senate confirmation position he doesn't work for the department of defense the department of state however he is our envoy to the Middle East.

2:38:30He's getting paid over$100 million by the Saudis alone and has over $6.2 billion under management from the Gulf states, including UAE, Qatar, Oman, and everybody else in the region that are paying him hundreds of million dollars in fees to him personally. Who is he negotiating for? He's getting paid$100 million for certain by the Saudis. ukraine you could have gone so much harder no i know but by the way oh 100 but literally who's he negotiating for he and whitkoff when as it relates to yeah what happens in gaza has a relation what happens in straits of ramos because he literally is the mouthpiece for for the united states of america why do you think why because i i mean the can you imagine it's insane that's absolutely fucking nuts why do you think trump did the iran thing because it seems so obviously dislikable from so many people for that reason because of the kushner that will tell you why is because every single prime minister of Israel since Jimmy Carter has walked into the Oval Office and begged the president to strike around.

2:39:38Yeah. Since Jimmy Carter, everyone, every president has said, love you, get out of my office. You know why they've done that? You know why they've done that? It's a bad idea. Because every one of them knows is that the first thing the Iranians are going to do is they're going to shut down the Straits of Hormuz. And you know what that's going to do? it is going to literally paralyze the world economy not just as it relates to our fuel but as it relates to everything that has to do with petroleum but in particular the one that's going that everybody's not even talking about is what it does to fertilizer and to the cost of the american farmer and so we the breadbasket of the world are getting crushed farmers are getting crushed right now and so now state of the strait of hormones now still closed he's now opened it up over 39 this is like the 40th time i i nominated him for the nobel peace prize for ending a war more than not only not once not twice 38 times why why would the sardis want the straight of hormuz closed though they don't want it closed and they didn't want this to happen the israelis wanted to happen and what they thought that they were going to be able to do is decapitate and take out khomeini and that all of a sudden that the rest of the gulf would would rally that they would come in but everybody look you gotta there's a guy that that teaches this at the war college in um uh the army war college he's where all of the um senior leadership of the military come and he's and he's been teaching uh basically game in out in a war with the run i saw over 25 did you see that so good he's amazing now he's gone back on like three times he gives he's given And exactly, this is what happens.

2:41:21If you decapitate, if you take, look, Khomeini, Aitola Khomeini had a fatwa, which is an edict. It's basically like the Pope came out and - It's like the Muslim wanted side. Yeah, that's the fatwa. By the way, that's the fatwa, but also, yeah, exactly. But you can also issue a fatwa as it relates to like an edict, like saying, this is what we believe. for over 20 years he's annually put out a file saying that they do not believe in nuclear energy as a to be a weapon it was religious law from their supreme leader that they would never turn the nuclear energy that they were trying to do into a bomb okay this is this guy not me talking you know so you're skepticism wasn't this guy like bombing his citizens though no he wasn't no in Iran no that was that was saddam yeah well i mean iran i mean it's like but the ayatollah so his son his son however is is always been known to be very close to the irgc the the revolutionary guard who are the radicals who are the ones that you know do you have a uh several hundred thousand a strong army which is the irgc he's now in charge because we killed the father and you know what he's all for turn building a nuclear bomb so that's who we replaced them from and you don't have to do anything as if you're the all this talk of taking out all their missiles and taking out all it is is like a couple hundred thousand drones that are literally buried in the sand along the straight you know we'll never be able to take them all out and all it takes is one two three to take out an oil tanker because what insurance company is going to insure any of those tankers to go through the Strait of Hormuz.

2:43:03So they can keep it closed as long as they want. I mean, just before I came on this, it was just announced that the deal that he had with them is that Rainey said, he's out of his mind. I don't even know what he's talking about. So what do you think is going to happen? There's no deal. What do you think is going to happen? I think it stays closed as long as they want to keep it closed. And that's what they realized. He basically put out a feelers two days ago saying he doesn't even care if there's a nuclear deal. Just as long as he can open up the Strait of Hormuz she's ready to kind of like move on.

2:43:36Are you worried he's going to use a nuclear weapon? He's going to get so backed into a corner, midterms are coming up. He doesn't want to do boots on the ground. He knows what happens with that. So like, you know, that's what people are kind of muttering about is he's going to like do a small scale nuclear. Just a little one. Midterm news. A little one. Just give you a little news. A gentleman's news. Yeah, having the debate. Not before the midterms. It's the equivalent of life. You think after he would do it for real? Dick flick. Maybe. You can't, yeah. That's terrifying. You really think that?

2:44:07Because I do too. You think he'd press the button? I think that he could, I think that he is, he is a,

2:44:19he is, in my opinion, a malignant narcissist. Doesn't mean that you're going to drop a nuke though. What? There's that doctor that, that, and I don't necessarily agree with this, you know, like, you know, he's a psychologist, but this guy is, you know, like Harvard trained. In 2015, he went on and he said, I've studied Donald Trump and I, and I believe, and he's like the foremost expert in, in this field. And he said, I believe that Donald Trump has exhibits all the behaviors of a very rare diagnosis, by the way, it's not a sociopath. It's not a psychopath. It's not just a narcissist, a malignant narcissist.

2:44:56Pull up the, the, the traits of a malignant narcissist. And I love how I'm running the show now. Get in there. It's good. Jared. Yeah. But my point is this. He said what it will be like if he ever has ever elected president is like an asteroid hitting the United States of America. And I really truly believe that that's what it has been like. Whatever you think about January 6th, just go look at the images. If that wasn't one of the greatest traumas to the body politic in the United States of America, I don't know what was. simply by how it divided us in the way in which we saw it with our own eyes yeah but here's the thing with that you don't think the democrats had any role in the division because i feel like they were fucking brutal but by the way of course yeah of course obviously there's always another side but here's the one thing that i know there's always been another side there's never been another donald trump he literally has broken us in a way that i have not witnessed any other politician that's able to do but you know what i have to say this i he's gonna he's fucking things up and he's it's going to i don't see any way you know again mr blackpill over here i don't see how this gets better iran knows that they've got him they know he they and and if like dude if like some dude blew up my fucking dad my daughter you know like i what what do i who gives a fuck i'm I'm going to do everything.

2:46:24Malignant narcissist is not an official mental health diagnosis and diagnostic manuals like the DSM-5. It's an informal term. Common traits that might be associated with malignant narcissism include grandiosity, an exaggerated sense of importance, superiority, or uniqueness, need for admiration, strong desire for praise, validation and attention, lack of empathy, difficulty recognizing or caring about other people's feelings or needs, manipulativeness, sense of entitlement, exploitation. I think it's just an asshole. I think it's just an asshole. You know, my therapist says I'm the greatest narcissist she's ever worked with.

2:46:55Really? What's that mean? I'm just kidding. Yeah. I hear on this, and again, I'm not a Trump apologist guy, but this narcissistic, I talked to a doctor and he actually said he's a narcissist. It's like - No, I totally, by the way, Matt, I'm with you. I totally agree. He's nuts, for sure. He's fucking nuts, though. He's fucking nuts. Come on, man. He literally sits there and he tells us that he just shot a 70 at Bedminster, and he won for the 40th time his club championship. Who do you—I don't know. No, really. You're the president. His dick fell out of his shorts. Sitting out of the Oval Office.

2:47:31Yeah. It's kind of wild. It's wild, man. He is. And also, too, the real, I think, like—I mean, there's been a lot of them, but the one that was a real slippage was like the—what do you say? like uh not al-akbar but he had one oh yeah yeah when he said um uh uh yeah uh yeah praise praise me allah yeah he's about to bomb you yeah yeah yeah he's a piece of bomb you into the stone age or whatever yeah he's blowing up children yeah fuck him but you kind of breezed over what matt was saying which is like i don't there's always been another side but i think in this case if you really want to like look at what happened and how this happened yeah you you do have to look at how absolutely venomous the democrats got how how kamala harris was just suddenly shoved in front of everybody it's fucking kamala pal no i'm not saying it's a kamala god damn it but you're another the jacket liberal but you racist but for sure that yeah that didn't help peter till loving

2:48:43that's literally what that's kind of what they did exactly yeah you got it that's exactly it by the way exactly i swear to god literally but i'm telling you i truly believe that it is he is not like we he is not the symptom of the disease he is the disease and we are all the symptom look i really mean it so that's just my feeling yeah i don't think that it solved everything when he is is is is gone from public life and but i told you you're right like it's crazy what like the way in which like the whining and and like oh my god it wasn't even like it drives me fucking it wasn't even that so trump is like an overt like you watch him like yeah i totally get it there was so much quiet kind of manipulative stuff that i would say more liberal leading people would do but they would try to destroy your livelihood they would try to take your job away from you and it was like all patting each other on the back i what i saw especially at brimmar you know i'm probably gonna get sued by them one day but it was it was for real you literally were like in the bastion of i was i was in the graduate school i know but but they're they're they're people's therapists and stuff and they're they were in one thing they were talking about taking people who were you know needed therapy needed help and turning them into political agents as a mode of therapy that would help them and i'm like dude that's sick okay i totally totally but my whole point is my whole point here's what i don't want to do it's like trump is like you know he's some figurehead of some sort of ugliness i think that kind of like you know he's like in very touch with our age you can get rid of him and then if you kind of say like and here's the good guys i'm like i don't know about that no look i'm not saying here's the good guys yeah what i'm saying that's my whole point what i'm saying is is that if you truly believe in a constitutional democracy if you truly believe in the rule of law like i say it all everybody i was asked on another show he's like well don't you think that you getting a pardon was not good for you know um uh you know the country and the like i guess they expect me to answer like no i think it was fine it was fucking awful you think it was awful it's a totally bad i thought you're serious i was like yeah okay if i got pardoned but yeah it was sick no by the way i i i don't i wouldn't fall for you for that i have the i have the deepest gratitude in the world for it yeah personally but was it good for the country no yeah no i'd like this you know the the former pardon attorney saying i was really you know this sad and the other thing but what's the alternative what was the alternative can you imagine if i was under the federal bureau of probation right now would my dad be able to write a book and be critical of donald trump if they what would have happened if you hadn't been pardoned and trump got elected well number one is this is it if oh if i had not been pardoned well the case that was the gun case is that i bought a gun and on the form it says are you addicted to a controlled substance okay and you can read that as being like a state of mind in the moment you know and so that's why the supreme court just overturned it and at least as relates to marijuana users said it's an unconstitutional they'll get to all the other drugs and i believe that it will ultimately all be unconstitutional what i was convicted under now i owned the gun for 11 days it was in a lockbox i never loaded it never fired it somebody had a concern for the safe my my safety not anybody else's thinking i was going to harm myself threw in the trash can i self-reported that it was thrown in the trash can police came to collect it they then never gave me back the gun i never asked for the gun back five years later is when they decided to charge me with it.

2:52:17Right. And so the other ones is that I got convicted. I pled guilty to not paying my taxes on time. Okay, so in 2016 and 17, when I was in the midst of my addiction, so 17 and 18, when I was supposed to file, I basically thought it was done for me. Taxes weren't front of mind for you? No, they weren't front of mind for me. Nothing was, and I never even filed. So when I got clean and sober, I went to go file my taxes and my accountant had died in that period of time. I had a new accountant. They said - You didn't even notice your accountant had died? No, I did not. And yeah. And - Crack's a hell of a drug.

2:52:55Yeah, exactly. Hell of a drug. Yeah. By the way, that's the best. Okay. Can we play that? What? Can we play the Rick James play? Okay, it's a hell of a drug. Co-king the hell of a drug. So it was the gun and then tax stuff. And so I had paid my taxes with penalties and interest. i haven't found a another case in which somebody who's paid with penalties and interest was criminally charged for failure to do that yeah and they said that then i like um i i took deductions that i should not have taken um you know i i when i went through them i you know you know all my all my travel and expenses were you know i put his business expenses they said well on travel expenses you were also smoking crack and doing you know blah blah blah right do you You ever put crack on the business card?

2:53:40No, never put cash on the business card. You can't put crack. But if I had thought I could. Credit card? Not most dealers use credit cards. Venmo. Yeah, Venmo. Yeah, Venmo. But anyway, my point is this, is that if he was president, is that what you don't realize is that when you're under, when you're convicted, you have no Fourth Amendment rights. Once you are charged, you relinquish all your Fourth Amendment rights against search and seizure. And you have no Fifth Amendment anymore. You don't have a Fourth Amendment. You don't have the right to, you know, in any space is open to search and seizure by the government.

2:54:24So even if I was not in prison, at any time, federal agents could walk into my house without a warrant, without any judicial approval or anything. So, for instance, you don't think that if they wanted to make certain that my dad was not critical of the administration, that a ICE agent showing up to my door? I mean, look what they're willing to do to other people right now. And so that was the reason why. But was it good for the country? No, I don't think it was good for the country. And to your point, do I think that this is all Donald Trump's fault, that there hasn't been complete overreach on the part of some people in the democratic party or what you call leftists or liberals or whatever yeah i mean we're we are all including myself culpable the way that we talk to each other but the one thing that i'm not going to do anymore at least for me is this like i'll sit down with whoever the fuck i feel like sitting down and talking about it just like i used to be able to sit down with whoever and doesn't mean i agree with them i think fucking nick fuentes is fucking out of his mind but you know what i want to learn it for myself sit down and have a discussion i don't know what did you learn from sitting down with nick that he doesn't believe half the stuff that he says he thinks that he he talks about all of it like it's a joke because that's what edgelording was and i also learned from nick fuentes is like a lot of us nick fuentes is frozen in time nick fuentes is still This 18-year-old kid that went to Northeastern and was a Republican and wore a MAGA hat and had the same experience that you had at Bryn Mawr, but times like 50.

2:56:05It's what a bunch of Northeastern liberals, you know, basically shouted at him, canceled him, told him that he was this. And you know what? In doing so, they created a star. And then he was adopted by like the Ben Shapiros of the world until he, you know, decided that he didn't, that he said some negative things about Israel. And all of a sudden he was canceled by them. Yeah. And so, you know what he did? He went nuclear and he found an audience for it. He found an audience for joking about the Holocaust or, you know, joking about black people or joking about the, you know, whatever, or saying women shouldn't vote.

2:56:42He doesn't believe any of that shit. but he does realize that it gives him a a platform by which to talk to people and in doing so what he says if you take the time to listen a lot of it's true all the other stuff is really hurtful and really wrong and really really really really fucking dangerous but there's another piece of it where he says there's a group of people in this country huge part of the population of under the age of 35 that not aren't they aren't just dissatisfied they are angry and they are and and you know what to them it's all become a joke to your point yeah they've all been blackpilled like what are they you know what to what you said like i'm not putting my or maybe you said is like i like i'm not putting my my eggs in zaron mom donnie's basket because all i've been in from my, from their perspective, since 2008, like Jesus Christ, if you're 20, if you're 35 years old.

2:57:48You know, or say you're 30 years old, you've gone through 2008 where we've never fully recovered from as a country. If you're a little bit older, you watch the, you know, the largest income inequality and wealth cap grow and grow and grow without anybody even remotely saying this is how we're going to fix it. other than saying oh we're going to tax the billionaires like because if the billionaires aren't going to find another way yeah if i can you know my point being is that people particularly young people have become so i mean it's not even anger it's the thing that is much more um uh i think insidious and um and that is indifference like indifference to the idea like the checking out of politics they say well what politics politics is all bullshit politicians are all i always say you may not care about politics politics cares about you you know and so i don't know i just think that uh that i can only think of it and maybe i'm my opic in my rage i know i am i mean i really know i am i mean i hate him and my my grandmother would say like you know like you never say that about who do you hate trump oh i fucking hate i hate the way he talks about my dad yeah i hate the way that he is um uh the the way in which he talks about uh uh women i i hate the way in which he um uh is it never can make a joke without i mean you're like have you ever heard him make a joke that's not at somebody else's expense that is always about like you know making someone feel smaller.

2:59:38I think that leadership matters. And I know that the president of the United States has the capacity by virtue of the office that they sit in to lead. And you can either use it for good or you can use it for yourself. And he uses it all the time for himself, whether it's his political self and whether that may align with a group of constituents. Whatever it is, it's always for him. And I think that that's a disease on the Constitution. Tell us how you really feel. Yeah. You don't think Quiet Piggy was funny? No. That was crazy. But crazy, right? But the problem is, I'll be honest, the problem is it's so fucking nuts.

3:00:26And again, if you're a checked out dude and you're like, it is funny. You're right, though. Like if anyone else, if you were sitting with your brother and they were talking, like quiet piggy, you'd be like, bro, what the fuck? You'd not only be like, bro, you'd be like, what the fuck? But it's one of those things where you're already, and I can attest to this, you know, I'm 40, but I was pretty, by the time I was in like, the time I was like graduating college, I was like, fuck this. I'm not getting a job. The whole thing's bullshit. The whole thing's rigged. It's evil. It's all ruled by people just blowing each other up.

3:00:54I want nothing to do with this shit. And you watch the news. You're like, this is all fucking bullshit. So I had like checked out when I was like 20. I was like, fuck all this stuff. So then you got to, there's so many people watching the news like that who are like, I can't ever, I'll never buy a house. I don't give a fuck. Probably won't even get married. Everything sucks. I'll be in debt forever. Yeah. And that's the, they see that and they just go, huh, that's crazy. And then they just go about, you know, their day, which is sad. That's a sad thing to think about. I totally agree. Yeah. When have you ever done 5MAL, DMT?

3:01:22Oh, it's the worst. Really? I hate, well, I mean, I got it. I got, in those days you could order it online. Are you talking about the toad or just regular DMT? The toad. the actual yeah it comes from a tele i just got the synthetic stuff yeah smoked it in west hollywood i thought i was gonna die have you tried it what yeah yeah five meo yeah did you have you tried this post rehab is this no back in the the days when i was like uh i i was looking for any i mean i've done it all i've done ayahuasca and five meo and i'm a real believer as it relates to certain people and particularly and um but the reason it made me think about it is this guy Chase Hughes, the way that he talks about it, and he's done these incredible journeys on it.

3:02:06He's done it at IV, right? He's one of the first people ever to do that, and he's brilliant. I mean, he's brilliant on a whole level that, but this level of, anyway, I don't even know why I brought it up. It's a second topic. It made me think, like like there the when you come to the determination the realization that so much of this is just an illusion you can either choose to um to engage you know in the game like if it's all a game then play the game yeah you know what i mean like play the game and in from my perspective i've come out this other side you know with this incredible liberation and freedom to do the thing, I'm going to play the game.

3:02:53And I'm going to play the game first. And the only way I know winning the game is, and I know it sounds like Pollyanna-ish bullshit, but it's purely selfish, purely selfish, is to be of service to other people. And I know, I really do. I realize it's in no way heroic. It's I've never done anything in my life. And by the way, I hope I make a shitload of money doing it. You know what I mean? I mean, I'm like, I'm not, this isn't, this is because the only thing that I know that has ever worked is not being fucking stuck in my own head. Yeah. Like only doing for me, whether literally it's doing for baby Bo or whether it's doing for my dad or more than anything doing for Melissa, my wife.

3:03:41But then like the circle widens and the circle widens. and so i feel like every day that i get up and if i can just think about that it's like little stuff like asking your waiter what their name is yeah you know how big a deal you know in your day when somebody recognizes you and you know like so if i can connect on a human level just with you know whether it's the uber driver or the flight attendant on the way home or the tsa agent going to the thing it's like i'm playing the game i don't know i think part of playing the game is is like karen yeah yeah i agree that it's funny because it does whenever it's like said out loud like i just want to be i want to serve others it's one thing to say when you do it it is a pretty profound thing when you're just like not totally thinking about yourself little things yeah yeah well you're an artist matt is a fan of native instruments so to celebrate seven years of sobriety.

3:04:39I wanted to get you a little present. And this is from one current pipe lover to an ex-pipe lover. This is... It's a flute. It's a native flute. Is it really? Yeah. You can learn how to play it. That's amazing.

3:05:02Is that another batch? No! That's for you. For real? Yeah. That's for you. I christened it. Yep. Now, by the way, dude, think about this. Think about the level of double entendre. I got a pipe from Matt. Everyone knows that I used to smoke crack out of a pipe. Yeah. You can't smoke crack out of that. But you cannot smoke crack out of that. I could. Exactly. No, this is beautiful. Keep your ring finger on that third hole and you can't really go wrong with the nuts, honestly. This is truly beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. I really mean it. I appreciate you, boys. Wait, wait, wait.

3:05:42Am I going to be able to take this on the plane? Oh, we'll post it. We'll mail it to you. Yeah, that good call. You all rule. I appreciate you. Thanks for coming. Yeah, great meeting you. Hunter Biden stopped in TSA with a giant pipe. Right. Exactly.