In short
Comparing Money Guy vs Ramsey home-buying rules—down payment, income limits, mortgage term, and the “how long to own” break-even window—plus a few listener Q&As (medical bills, teen investing, deferred compensation, HSA rollover, MAGI/Roth limits) and a “news or noise” segment.
Guests/backgrounds
Money Guy hosts Brian (Money Guy) and “Bo” is referenced as absent/traveling; Ramsey Solutions is discussed but no Ramsey guest appears.
Key claims
- Ramsey: 5%–10% down; housing capped at 25% of net income; 15-year mortgage; no clear ownership-period guidance.
- Money Guy: 3%–5% down; housing capped at 25% of gross income; 30-year mortgage (with flexibility to prepay); buy-and-hold 5–7 years (data: ~6 years to beat renting).
- Using gross income and 30-year flexibility makes homeownership more attainable.
Notable examples (numbers)
- $300k home: Ramsey needs ~$184k household gross; Money Guy needs ~$113k.
- $600k home: Ramsey ~$406k gross; Money Guy ~$189k.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Money Guy's Approach to Home Buying
0:45 to 2:59
Explore the Money Guy's philosophy on home buying, emphasizing lower down payments.
“I did not take it that way, but I know you've described it that way, so I like to say it.”
Comparing Home Buying Rules: Money Guy vs Ramsey
2:59 to 4:23
Understand the key differences between the Money Guy and Ramsey Solutions home buying rules.
“And let me just say, too, to give a shout out to our friends over at Ramsey, these sound great.”
Mortgage Terms and Income Requirements
4:23 to 7:09
Review mortgage terms and income requirements based on different home buying strategies.
“you as you said we're three to five percent we've been three to five percent all the time anytime so the first home purchase.”
Cost Comparisons of Home Buying Strategies
7:09 to 8:47
Analyze the financial implications of purchasing a home using both strategies.
“And it is just a big transaction and big decision.”
Understanding the Income Gap Between Strategies
8:47 to 12:43
Discover the income gaps that arise from different home buying strategies.
“So it gets grossed up to an even higher number.”
Key Takeaways on Home Buying Decisions
12:43 to 14:01
Reflect on the nuances of home buying and renting decisions in today's market.
“Like I said, we're not here to pick on Ramsey Solutions with their overall because they have a great message to keep you out of debt.”
Understanding the Housing Market
14:01 to 14:42
Learn about current market distortions affecting housing decisions.
“And we're like, no, no, realize there's some distortions in the market currently that it might make sense in the moment to rent versus buy.”
The Non-Mathematical Aspects of Homeownership
14:43 to 16:00
Discover why emotional factors are crucial in housing decisions.
“And that kind of brings us to one last key takeaway is this isn't just a mathematical decision.”
The Non-Mathematical Aspects of Homeownership
16:03 to 16:19
Discover why emotional factors are crucial in housing decisions.
“Anything and everything you might need to help you make the better decision.”
Financial Questions from Viewers
16:20 to 17:18
Dive into viewer questions regarding personal finance challenges.
“Our goal is to equip you with this type of information, these breakdowns, and even discussing the non-mathematical parts of it.”
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Navigating Unexpected Medical Expenses
17:19 to 21:08
Strategies for handling unplanned medical bills without debt.
“I was trying to pick on Bo since he's not even here to defend himself.”
Teaching Financial Literacy to Teens
21:09 to 23:54
Methods to instill financial habits in teenagers for a secure future.
“How does the FU apply to working teens with no debt, bills, et cetera?”
Understanding Deferred Compensation
23:55 to 27:22
Exploration of deferred compensation and its implications for retirement planning.
“We would love to send you one as a thank you for your question.”
Health Savings Account (HSA) Management
27:23 to 28:01
Advice on managing HSAs when changing insurance plans.
“And thanks for being here and asking a question.”
Understanding Health Savings Accounts
28:01 to 29:45
Learn about the process and benefits of transferring health savings accounts.
“Because remember, before you can even fund a health savings account, you have to be under a high-deductible health plan.”
The Importance of Financial Advisors
29:45 to 31:07
Discover how financial advisors help navigate complex financial scenarios.
“and that's one of the benefits of having a good financial advisor is that sometimes these custodians, they play reindeer games that they don't want to.”
Question on Modified Adjusted Gross Income
31:07 to 31:53
Explore what modified adjusted gross income entails and its implications.
“Because your life can stay as simple as you want it to be, but success is going to create complexity.”
Maxing Out Roth Contributions and After-Tax Accounts
31:53 to 35:38
Find out what to do if you max out your Roth IRA contributions.
“With some unexpected bonuses, I'm looking at 150K this year, close to the Roth limit.”
Navigating Financial Complexity
35:38 to 36:38
Understand the intricacies of managing wealth and financial success.
“I've tried to write the book on what you need to know to build, you know, your first few million dollars.”
Assessing News Headlines
36:38 to 39:38
Learn how to differentiate between news and noise in financial headlines.
“Here, From the Wings is where I read a current headline.”
Market Reactions to SpaceX Stock
39:38 to 42:05
Analyze the recent market trends and perceptions surrounding SpaceX stock.
“Yeah, I think you have to do what's best for your financial life.”
Discussing SpaceX and Investment Strategy
42:05 to 43:31
Explore the importance of focusing on index funds rather than speculative investments like SpaceX.
“Even my mother-in-law, who's, she's in her, well into her 80s, she asked me about SpaceX.”
Neil the Seal: A Local Celebrity
43:32 to 46:02
A light-hearted discussion about Neil the Seal and the local fascination surrounding him.
“Like you have a bigger problem if this is like wrecking your financial life.”
Budgeting Challenges and Solutions
46:05 to 51:46
Strategies for overcoming budgeting hurdles and understanding financial behaviors.
“He says, my wife and I are in a cycle of saving and spending.”
Buying a Porsche: A Financial Perspective
51:47 to 56:00
Analyzing the financial implications of purchasing a Porsche, especially as a hobby car.
“Did you like my fear comment or was that too fear mongering?”
Discussing Financial Independence
56:00 to 56:45
Learn how financial decisions can impact lifestyle choices and investments.
“Could be pretty powerful, especially if you're doing a lot of the work yourself.”
457b vs 403b for Early Retirement
56:46 to 58:22
Understand the benefits of 457s and 403Bs for financial planning.
“My wife is about to take a state job and will have access to a 403B with a match and a 457.”
Engaging with the Money Guy Community
58:22 to 58:48
Discover ways to engage with the Money Guy community and their offerings.
“If you would like a MoneyGuy Tumblr, just email winner at moneyguy.com.”
The Value of the Money Guy Newsletter
58:48 to 1:00:10
Explore the benefits of subscribing to the Money Guy newsletter for financial insights.
“We have been scheming behind the scenes.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:06Today we're going to answer an important question. What's the salary you need to make to buy a home? I am so excited, Brian, because this topic, not only is it a big financial decision, if not the biggest financial decision a lot of you may make in your time on this earth, It is a decision that you single-handedly really helped me make. I don't know if I would have a house right now or at the time that I did if it were not for the money guy rule. So I think I have you bullying me into not putting 20 % down on my first house to thank for what turned into a very good financial decision. I was curious to know if you'll use the term bullying because that is kind of what Bowen did.
0:45I did not take it that way, but I know you've described it that way, so I like to say it. So you guys know Bo's traveling. Well, I don't know if you know. Obviously, Bo does not look like Rebe. But Bo is traveling with the family today. And we want to cover something because this is one of those things where, look, y 'all know my story. I am a financial mutant through and through. I never had the bus cycle where I was bad with money. I've always kind of knew there was a better way to do things and had that, I don't know if you call it an engineer's mentality or whatever. But I was always trying to figure out how things worked.
1:18And home ownership was one of those things where when I went to go buy my first home, I was like, wait a minute, there are creative products that let me buy into this with 3 % down? So I did that. And then what's funny is I've grown my financial planning practice. I'm out there and I ask all my advisors. We even did a survey one time of our advisors. I think it was 70 plus percent put down less than 5 % of their first homes. I'm like, wait a minute. if this is what people who are good with money are doing, why are all the talking heads out there telling everybody to put 20 % down on your first home is because that seems so disconnected.
1:55And by the way, this has nothing to do, at least for our rules, with the 2021 inflation run-up of real estate. These were rules that even back when I was buying my first house in the 90s, that it kind of hit me that there is a better way to do money. So we thought, Hey, if you think about all the talking heads out there in the money world, it's us. And then there's Ramsey Solutions is out there. And we love Dave. We love what Ramsey Solutions is doing. George gave us a shout out recently on a show on something. So we love those guys. Nobody gets you out of debt better. However, I do think that if you follow their home buying rules, it might keep you from this valuable goal.
2:41it's going to cost you time because just the requirements are different than our rules. So we wanted to clarify the difference in the rules. So hopefully if you're out there sitting on the fence going, should I buy my first house? And if I do, what are the rules? We got you covered today. Let's dive into the comparison of the Money Guy home buying rules and the Ramsey home buying rules. And let me just say, too, to give a shout out to our friends over at Ramsey, these sound great. If you can afford to do this, this isn't necessarily a bad decision. I do want to throw that out there. But to your point, you're going to see it makes it more difficult.
3:17We're going to dig into that now. So for Ramsey, they say a down payment needs to be 5 % to 10%. MoneyGuy says 3 % to 5%. So right off the bat, that is easier for a lot of younger folks and families. Well, there's more to the story here because you have to admit, when you told me on your first house, what were you really thinking you had to put down? I thought I had to put 20%. And where did that come from? Because for a long time, it was because I grew up with the Ramsey Solutions knowledge just in my... So this is what I was talking about. Systems change. And I want to give credit to Ramsey Solutions in the fact that pre-2022, they were 20 % all the time.
3:53You know, this is what you had to put down. I do give them credit with the post-inflation run-up of housing. They realize, hey, this thing is starting to get away from affordability as a true issue. So they amended their rules post-2022. and it's 5 to 10 percent. Which is still a lot but way more doable than 20. Yeah but it's much more I give them credit because they even though we're not known for for changing rules I mean if it's like if it's good for 1995 it's good for 2026 but I do give them credit for for updating this as you as you said we're three to five percent we've been three to five percent all the time anytime so the first home purchase.
4:29So yeah so to keep going Ramsey says you need to use 25 percent of your net income on housing expenses moving forward. MoneyGuy uses 25 % of your gross income, which is going to come into play. Yeah, this is going to be one of those things. Net is actually going to be a smaller number because that's after your 401k. That's after your tax withholding. That's after all your benefits from your cafeteria plan. All of that to say, we use gross because not only does it give you more, but it also is harder to manipulate because you can take whatever your take-home pay, your gross amount, what is the amount that they tell you, hey, congratulations, you got a pay raise.
5:07This is what you're going to make this year. That is your gross. After all the withholdings is your net. We like using gross. Mortgage length is another big difference. Ramsey is really set on you doing a 15-year mortgage. Money Guy says you should do or could do a 30-year mortgage. Yeah. I like, once again, by the way, all mortgages, the majority of mortgages I've seen from clients, I haven't seen a prepayment penalty in forever. So all mortgages pretty much allow you to prepay them however term you want. So you could do a 30 year mortgage and prepay it in 10 years. You can prepay it in 15 years.
5:43So it's all on how your cashflow and your money's flowing in. Now I will say the benefit of 15 years, it's going to be a lower mortgage rate, But I like the additional flexibility you get from the 30-year mortgage. Because you also could not prepay it and invest more. Just a thought. I know the ghost of Beau. I am the ghost of Beau. I'm playing that role right now. I do think post-45, once you've made wealth and you're in the maintain phase and multiply, there's going to come a season where you're going to try to extinguish that debt. But there's a time and place for paying that. The truth of the matter is that 30-year often allows you to stay within that 25 % of your gross income on housing.
6:20That's just the reality that we'll dig into more. And then lastly, the ownership period. Ramsey doesn't really speak to this. We say you need to be in the house for five to seven years to truly make that transaction worth it. We even have a data point that buying a home doesn't beat renting financially until you've owned it for approximately six years. It lets kind of all those closing costs and additional costs with owning and buying a home kind of work themselves out and come out in the wash after you've been in it for five to seven years. Well, there's a lot of transactions. So, I mean, think about any time you do a real estate transaction, there's going to be the county government's going to get involved.
6:53You got attorneys that are going to get involved. There's all kind of, you know, recording fees. There's insurances. There's just a lot of hands in the cookie jar. So you've got to have enough time to kind of smooth out the costs and the friction costs of those transactions. Makes sense. And it is just a big transaction and big decision. So you want to make sure you're thinking through the long term as much as possible. So now we get to what everybody's waiting for. I know. Show us some numbers. This is great. You guys gave us the philosophical stuff, but let's actually show you in the reality of the world we live in, what is the difference of these two home buying rules look like.
7:28So we're going to cover if you're buying a home the Ramsey way. We're assuming a 15-year fixed mortgage at 5.85%. You're putting 5 % down, a PMI of 0.75 % of the home value, plus taxes, insurance, and all of that. So if you wanted to buy a$300 ,000 home, the Ramsey way, you would need$15 ,000 for a down payment. You would need a resulting loan amount of$285 ,000. Your estimated monthly housing cost would be$2 ,935 per month. So your required take-home pay, again, that net number would be$141 ,000, which means your gross income required to buy a$300 ,000 house, household income would be$184 ,000.
8:16Now, that's got a shock and awe factor to it. It does. If you were trying to say, hey, where does that fit in the number of American households, you'd be in the top 21%. Yep. So that's actually top 19 % because it's the 81st percentile, so top 19 % public math gets you every time. But it is one of those things where that just seems hard. And it's all because a lot of this is, once again, we're looking at a 15-year mortgage. We're also looking at, we did net, so you have to take into account all the withholding rates and so forth. So it gets grossed up to an even higher number. That's a lot for a starter home.
8:52Rebe, what happens when we're talking about your upgraded home? By the way, I guess it's not even upgrade because this is maybe your higher cost of living market because we allowed the lower down payment. So the average home price, I don't have it off the top of my head, but it is in the$400 ,000 range. So if we're looking at a$400 ,000 house, you would need a gross household income of$253 ,000 by these rules. For a$500 ,000 house, it'd be$326 ,000 gross income required. And then for a$600 ,000 house, again, that's not even too crazy if you're talking about a family or maybe a home upgrade like you're talking about.
9:30you would need a gross household income of$406 ,000. And that's where it just starts to hurt. Because we're truly talking in the 96th percentile of income out of all of America. So, yeah. Once again, I'm an optimist. And these are difficult times to buy a house. Let's talk about the Money Guy rules. Let's do it. What is it? Let's compare and contrast here. So here by the Money Guy home buying rules, just to refresh, it's a 30-year fixed mortgage, a 6.54 % interest rate, so it is a little higher, 5 % down, same PMI and insurance values used before. For a home price of$300 ,000, you would need$15 ,000 down payment again with a loan amount of$285 ,000.
10:14Your estimated monthly cost of housing is$2 ,362, so that's already like ballpark$600 less per month you would be spending, which is pretty huge for most families. And your gross income required would be$113 ,000. Now, Brian, I'm going to shoot straight with you. This is still hard for a lot of people. Average household income in America is what? $83 ,000? Yeah, dollars. But man, that number hits different compared to what we just said. Well, if you have two workers in the household, it at least makes it where - It's at least possible. Yeah, it starts becoming where homeownership is going to likely happen.
10:54I think that's why, and also we took out the net column. It made the math a lot easier. It is, look, we tried to make this an apples to apples comparison. We could have done a 3 % down payment if we wanted to make this even easier to get into the, to grease the skids, to get into homeownership. But we said, let's keep it consistent, do five to five. $400 ,000, like you said, that's probably closer to where the houses are in the United States in a lot of markets. Gross income. Yeah. Yeah. It's about$151 ,000 for a$500 ,000 house. It'd be$189 ,000 for a$600 ,000 house. It would be$227 ,000. Not saying these numbers aren't still high, but man, this is more realistic or at least possible to more people, I would say.
11:41And like you said, too, there's still levers that you can pull of like, this was 5 % down. What if you did 3 % down? And then if you are upgrading the MoneyGuy rule, we didn't put it in here today, but like you can use your equity and you should put more 20 % down on a home upgrade. And so those all change the numbers and at least give a path forward. And that's something that I've always appreciated about MoneyGuy. And that's honestly why I own a house right now. Yeah. And that's what we'll quickly put up the income comparison just for all those out in the audience who want to see it. I mean, you can see we don't need to go through spending a lot of time on this, but it is interesting is that just for that starter home of$300 ,000, the difference in these systems is 63 % more or$71 ,000.
12:23That's like an additional household income. It's a lot. Just on that. And then if you were trying to upgrade or it's not even upgrade because it's just a higher cost of living down payment because we're using such a lower down payment. If you need a larger house, yeah. If you need a$600 ,000 house, the difference is$179 ,000 of income. That just seems separated from reality. So I think the big key takeaway is just to kind of go through these is that both of these rules have the same goal. Like I said, we're not here to pick on Ramsey Solutions with their overall because they have a great message to keep you out of debt.
12:55Absolutely. And I think when you're looking at how you're going to buy your first home, both of these rules will keep you from the house owning you. You won't be house rich, life poor. They will both protect you. But if you just want to get on just like younger Rebe trying to buy that first home to raise a family with, you needed a little nudging saying, hey, don't try to do this with 20%. I did. 3 % to 5 % in a 30-year mortgage is A-OK. And it was OK. Like it did turn into a good decision. Also, the key takeaway here is that home ownership, it is currently historically expensive. Like I just don't want to shy away from that.
13:31You really do have to weigh your options. Is home ownership right for you? is renting right for you. And that's going to look different for different people because personal finance is personal. And you and Bo did an incredible breakdown of this. If you want to go check out our episode called, should you buy or rent in 2026? The numbers shocked us. They do full case studies of breaking down the numbers of scenarios where a person rents versus buys, and it will help you at least start to kind of hone in on what is going to be right for you in this season. Yeah, I would encourage you. We really, we poured a lot of soul into this show because I wanted to shoot everybody as straight as possible because I do think we have a, everybody has a recency bias that you see how much houses appreciated around 21, 22, and even 23 to the point that I think a lot of people are like, this thing's just going to keep running from me.
14:23And we're like, no, no, realize there's some distortions in the market currently that it might make sense in the moment to rent versus buy. And I wanted to shoot everybody straight on that. So go watch this episode. If you are even considering buying a house or thinking about doing anything with a housing type decision, this show will help you. Because we really tried to think about this in a different way to take into account all the unique things that are going on in this crazy marketplace. Yes. And that kind of brings us to one last key takeaway is this isn't just a mathematical decision. And you are wonderful at talking about that.
14:56And I think that that comes into the rent versus buy conversation, too, because just because homeownership can be a great goal, it doesn't mean you have to do that. It's not required to build wealth. And just because you're renting now and that's the best option, it doesn't mean that you're not going to reevaluate later and have a different option available to you, a different thing that's going to work for you and your family. And why else? I mean, do you have anything else to say? Because I know you are great. It's not just a mathematical decision. I always want people to understand the why, and I've shared this before, is that a reason that you can rent in a lot of markets cheaper than you can buy is because the person who bought that house that they're renting to you probably paid about half of what it would cost to buy it on the market because we've had such a huge inflation run-up with housing.
15:39And then the other part is that they probably have an interest rate that's half of what the interest rate you're going to borrow at. So take advantage of those unique things in the market. And then as things adjust, because realize that we live in a dynamic world where the financial system is always changing, if you understand this and you understand what your metrics are, you'll be primed to take advantage. And that's why you've got to go to moneyguy.com slash resources. We'll load you up. We've got checklists. We've got calculators. Anything and everything you might need to help you make the better decision.
16:11so you're measuring twice, cutting once on this big financial decision, we are going to hook you up. And it's all completely free. So go out there, moneyguy.com slash resources. I love that. Yeah, personal finances, personal. Our goal is to equip you with this type of information, these breakdowns, and even discussing the non-mathematical parts of it. Like, hey, you might have other really important goals that matter to you that you're going to use that cash for so you don't have a down payment right now. That can be okay. and that's why we want you to take advantage of our free resources moneyguy.com slash resources that's why we do this show every tuesday at 10 a.m central and that is why we're going to dig into your financial questions next so i have the team normally i'm out in the wings but right now the team is still out in the wings gathering your questions from the youtube lives room chat and we are going to answer a few of those today now did you this is it's unsaid but since bo's not here.
17:05This is when you're supposed to do like a pec pop or make your bicep stand out or do something. You have to. Bo typically does this stuff. I just didn't know if we were doing. You were just telling me you set a PR in your workout. This is all you. I was trying to pick on Bo since he's not even here to defend himself. Oh, man. All right. With that, we are going to dive into questions. The first one is from Jacob. Are you ready for it? Okay. Jacob. Let's hear what Jacob's got. It says, hey, Money Guy Show, I have a medical bill coming up that is a lot more than I expected, and there's no way I can pay for it without going into debt.
17:41I'm on foo step five, and I'm curious how you guys would go about it. Honestly, great question. You don't know what you – like the unknown happens. What do you do now? Yeah. What I'd be curious first is this post-insurance. Like your insurance has gone through everything, and you're left with covering the high deductible. Have you just triple checked? And that's the first part of this. And that's the case. Then you just have to – it is what it is, and you have to kind of figure it out. If it's – you didn't have insurance and you had a big medical thing come up and you have to now – you have a medical provider that's sending these huge bills, realize that sometimes those brochure rates or what they send you are more of a shock and awe tactic.
18:25If you're a cash payer, you can – everything is negotiable. And what's crazy is you can even use a chat GPT, a grok or whatever, to help you write a letter campaign or to come up with a call script and see if you can negotiate. And you might be shocked to find out that it's literally like nickels on a dollar for what you can pay on a medical dynamic. And you still might even if there's, you know, like I said, that's why it's limited if you have insurance on what you can do because they supposedly are doing all that for you on your benefit and you're really already qualifying for the discount. But it's one of those things I would first want to know now if it is a deductible.
19:03This is where I hope that the step four and even step one of the financial order of operations is this is why we have those two steps is to make sure you have your deductibles. Right, because he says he's on step five. So can you hold up the FU and tell us what step five is just to refresh? If we got a medical expense that exceeded it, you start getting into it. So I'd go back, and there's nothing wrong with, by the way, a lot of people think the FU is just a walk up the stairs. And I know we have a great understanding that we share with people. FU actually looks more like this. As life happens to you, you might go back to step four and build up the emergency reserves, use the reserves to pay off the medical expenses, and then get back to work to build those reserves.
19:46And now I'm going to go out on a limb. You can tell me if you disagree. But because the FOO is just like it's a framework that's so helpful in taking some of the emotional decisions, say you did drain your emergency fund and had to go into debt, that means you're back on step three. And you've got to knock out that debt. Am I wrong? I don't know what the interest rate is, I guess. But like medical debt, you know, we don't want you to just stay in that debt. And so that means you're putting any extra money you have towards that debt until you're back to step four and then can get back to step five.
20:16That's why we have this food to follow, right? Yep. Okay. Awesome. But don't be scared to call the provider, the medical provider, to see if they can give you, instead of you using a credit card to pay it off immediately and running up a 20-plus percent, see if they'll give you a little grace on how long you can pay it back. Right. And they do payment plans and things like that that probably would be a better interest rate. So, yeah, definitely ask all the questions. Just don't be embarrassed about it. Just do it for sure. All right, well, Jacob, thank you for the question. Let us talk really about kind of the foo and how it's an all-weather terrain vehicle, as you say, or something like that.
20:51That was a Brianism for you. But I think that since Bo is not here, I am going to dub it a Tumblr day. So Jacob, if you would like a MoneyGuy Tumblr, since we answered your question on the show, just email winner at moneyguy.com and we would love to send one to you as a thank you for being here. Okay, next question is from Chancellor Carter. Chancellor. Chancellor. How does the FU apply to working teens with no debt, bills, et cetera? How can I best help my kids get a head start in life? Well, I think the – look, a lot of times when you're 15 years of age, you're getting the basics. This is the financial order of operations.
21:36Yes, it could work in a lot of ways because let me tell you how this is going to work. You're going to like the creativity of this. Most teens don't have a deductible to cover because they're under their parents' insurance. So step one is kind of covered on that, having the highest deductible covered. But guess what? If you are doing what I've shared is I love a parental match campaign, meaning that if your kids go get that first job in fast food that I recommend and they figure out how crazy the world is, you can offer a 50 cents on the dollar, a dollar for dollar match on every dollar they make to start funding a custodial Roth IRA.
22:10that very much matches into step two of the financial order of operations because you can set up your own prime the pump type thing just like you to get an engine started you have to pour a little gas in the carburetor you can do the same thing with your kids savings behavior because i love that's why i love that first job is because it it not only scratches the itch of them figuring out that they have a work ethic but then you get them into a behavior of living on less than they make by saving a portion of those dollars to a matching fund this gets really exciting really quick. Now, and also a 15 year old, typically you're not going to go open up a credit card, so they don't get out of step.
22:45They're really kind of stuck in step two because they're not doing so. So it is, you know, it's part of the food, but it's just that they're kind of at the parental matching is where I'd really like you to encourage getting them saving and investing for the future. You have done a really good job at that in your own parenting journey. And I think just the idea of teaching them about compound interest, both how it can work for you or against you, I think that's key. Because then once they do have a job, they can follow the food, and they're kind of set up with the behaviors that will help them do that, hopefully.
23:14That's why I would definitely go to moneyguy.com slash resources and look at our wealth multiplier. We even have some calculators. Wealth multiplier calculator. Awesome tool. But for a 15-year-old, a wealth multiplier for a 15-year-old is$145.37. So, I mean, to know every dollar has the potential to become$145. to know that if you just want to build your first million dollars at retirement, you only have to save$58 a month. You'll just think about spending differently if you know that your money can be that powerful. And even just that mindset shift can do a lot, I think, for somebody who's 15, like to carry that into their adulthood.
23:50It's pretty powerful stuff. So I love that you're thinking about that, Chancellor Carter. If you would like a MoneyGuy Tumblr, just email winner at moneyguy.com. We would love to send you one as a thank you for your question. All right. Next question is from D. Gloff. Are you ready? D. Gloff. D. Gloff. D. Gloff. I just got promoted and I'm now eligible. I know. That's awesome. And I'm now eligible for deferred compensation. I am married. I'm 50 years old and I'm in step eight of the FOO. How do I figure out if deferred comp is right for me? Yeah, this is a great question. this is one i actually consider this more of a step seven of the financial order of operations if you're holding it up is because you're thinking about you know once you're you're beyond 25 savings rate how are you going to use this money in retirement and a lot of for you know and by the way that also is probably a compliment to you when you qualify for deferred comp is they usually structure these type of plans because it means you're going beyond the the you know the limits of what you can fund in your 401k annually.
24:56So good on you for reaching that level of success. I would start thinking about, because the way we've used deferred comps is a lot of people, if you think you want to, because you're 50 years old right now, but what if you want to retire at 58 or 60, which is earlier than most people who are working until 65 or 67, like social security would have you believe. But you could use a deferred comp because realize what it allows you to do is put the money into these plans. You don't pay current compensation. They're kind of building in the background. But then as soon as you have separation from service, they start paying out and you kind of can structure right now how that's going to be.
25:32That could be your bridge until you start qualifying for other income streams. And then this allows you to really create your own little mini pension as you enter retirement. So you don't even have to use your other assets. We do. That's what I love setting up, whether it's a five year, eight year type planned where you're as you're funding these deferred comp plans, you can really start laying out what those first few years of retirement ago look like for you. And also lower those taxes, because you're probably in a higher tax bracket situation right now. This allows you to kind of legally manipulate that into a lower bracket.
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26:09And then hopefully when you leave work, you'll start running the tax game and you'll have lower taxes. You'll have this bridge money coming in. It really creates a lot of cool planning opportunities for you. Now, the only downside with deferred comp is realize that it's a promise to you in the future. And if that company ever gets into financial trouble before you get your money, creditors would have access to that money before you would. Now, if your company's in great place financially, that's usually not something to worry about, but I at least felt like I needed to disclose it to you. No, that's really good.
26:41I'm just curious, how common is deferred comp as an option for people? Is it like a pretty unique It's on the size of the company. Once companies get to a certain size that they have enough employees that are at higher compensation, that they're trying to figure out how do they help the employees plan for the higher income to take advantage of all the benefits out there. They add top hat. They add deferred comp. There's all kind of cool planning opportunities they'll do to incentivize executive teams. Okay. I was just curious. That's what I thought. but took advantage of your knowledge. So D. Gloff, if you would like a Money Guy Tumblr, we would love to send you one.
27:21Just email winner at moneyguy.com. And thanks for being here and asking a question. All right, Christian is up next. He says, hi, Money Guy team. I'll stop contributing to my HSA after switching insurance next year. So he can't help it, Brian, before you panic. Yeah. It says, better to leave the money in the Wells Fargo account with limited options for when I contribute again? Or should I move it over to Fidelity, I'm guessing, to another type of investment account? What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I like, because, you know, there's nothing wrong with if you change employers and maybe now they offer you Cadillac health insurance and you don't even qualify for a health savings account.
28:03Because remember, before you can even fund a health savings account, you have to be under a high-deductible health plan. So it sounds like Christian is moving to a different employer, going to be on maybe a PPO or some other, you know, it's not gonna be a high deductible type plan. So he can't make additional contributions. But he's got money left in there. He's part of the 90 % of people who are not just using as a clearing account. I mean, he's part of the 10 % that's actually trying to invest this money. My personal opinion, I think I would try to move it to Fidelity. Because I think Fidelity is just going to have easier and better investment options, lower cost index funds.
28:43So it's going to be a pain in the rear though, because moving HSAs is not the easiest process, but it's, it also will set you up because if you're already investing, I don't know if you said you were investing at Fidelity too. I do love how it's all integrated into their one mobile app. It just makes your life a little bit easier. Um, and Fidelity, I mean, that's, that's where I have my health savings account. I get nothing from Fidelity for saying that it's just, that's where I have it. And I do like that I can kind of administer it and invest it right there from the same mobile app that I use with the other accounts.
29:14When you say it's a pain to move, is this still something that an individual could do on their own? Oh, yeah. You can do it. It's just you have to shepherd it. Yeah. Because custodians, you'll find whenever you're transferring money, sometimes it goes very cleanly and easy. And other times it's a phone call here or there. It's a follow-up here or there. Where are we in the process? because every custodian has a process to help you transfer the money. Okay. I just thought that was a good distinction. I was like, you don't need professional help with this, right? It doesn't sound like it. I mean, it is something we do for clients.
29:44I mean, we have a whole team that goes out there, and that's one of the benefits of having a good financial advisor is that sometimes these custodians, they play reindeer games that they don't want to. It's almost like they've designed a system to keep the money in-house. We have a crack recovery team. and they'll go out there and make it happen. A crack recovery. Well, you see those repo shows where you have to go send the biggest, baddest person to go out there and recover because somebody's acting like a deadbeat. It feels like sometimes custodians are acting like deadbeats with not giving you access to your money.
30:20We got some pipe holding people. They don't look like it on the outside because they're the sweetest looking lady. But they've got the knowledge. But they go out there and they know how to unlock those assets. Right, right. I love that. If you are ever interested in becoming a client, you can just go to moneyguy.com, click on a become a client button and fill out the form there and we'll connect you to the right service and see if this is a right fit for you. And also, I think that's a really good point of that is a great benefit of being a client, especially when you start having larger assets and you don't want to mess around with it.
30:52It's nice to have somebody in your corner. So I appreciate that you shared. Oh, there's so many. Like when you start doing QCDs with charitable contributions and other things and tracking all those, there's so many things when you get to retirement that you're going to be thankful to have somebody who's tracking your basis and all the other stuff for you. Because your life can stay as simple as you want it to be, but success is going to create complexity. Yeah, that's great. All right, we are going to do one more question, and then we're going to get to our From the Wings segment. I actually kind of like From the Wings.
31:23I know, I do too. I like it better than the it doesn't depend segments. I don't like the rapid fire stuff. I think you do well at it, though. I think you get in your head occasionally. Bo's better. Okay, I'll let you fight that out when he's back. But for now, let's go to JB's question. It says, hey, Money Guy team, what all goes into mad? How do you say this? I always read it. M-A-G-I. I would say just modified adjusted gross income. Modified adjusted gross income. Thank you, Brian. What all goes into that? I got a promotion from 100K to 135K. With some unexpected bonuses, I'm looking at 150K this year, close to the Roth limit.
32:06What should I do if I've already maxed my Roth? Yeah, there's several questions here. There are. Look, we could get into what modified gross income is, but realize there's things within the tax code. I mean, it can be, it's all kinds of things. So it can be IRA contributions. It can be, you know, in the past it's been like, we've even added some charitable contributions to the frontline instead of, you know, on standard, I mean, on itemized deductions, we've added teacher expenses. So it's just a gazillion things. There's half of self-employment income. There's just a whole list of things to go through.
32:44But for most people, the thing I want you focusing on is it's your gross income. That's really what your AGI is. What's your income before we get to deductions and all the other things? So I'm looking at$150 ,000 a year, close to the IRA limit. What should I do if I've already maxed out my Roth? Yeah, so he's maxed it. What if he goes over the limit? What does he do now? So the income limits I have, now I have 2025's limits here. is we need to get this thing updated. But it's for a... Let me find my limits.
33:23This is good radio when there's silence. 153 ,000 single? Is that right, guys? From the wings? Hang on, hang on. I've got it here. It's just... This is where... I thought it had gone over$200 ,000 I think that's still married filing jointly. And a quick Google. Yeah, here we go. This is 2025's numbers. 236 to 246. For single individuals, it's 150 to 165. Yes. So he must be a single individual. He's 150 to 165. Follow the foo. I mean, when you've crossed it, when you've maxed out both five and six on this, I like funding an after-tax account. You know, that's part of step seven of the financial order of operations is nothing's wrong with you opening up a brokerage account and start investing for the long term, even into that after-tax account.
34:26You know, you can buy index funds just as easily in an individual brokerage account as you could a retirement account. It's just the taxability is just a little bit different. What if that was a segment? We just pop quizzed you guys on contribution limits, current contribution limits. Because that's the problem. You have to understand, in my brain, I've been doing this so long. I know, it changes every single year. The number that comes out in my head for even married couples phases out at$166 ,000. I don't know what year that was, but that's the last one. And then I just told you, now for married couples, back in 2025, it was up to$246 ,000.
35:01So they indexed this stuff for inflation. so all it would do is show you the time capsule of the year that my brain works in and i've you know what i've often found interesting i think the year that i was the best financial advisor technically was probably when i was 28 years of age but i had the hardest time getting clients when i was 20 but i could tell you any fact or figure i had it i was like an encyclopedia now i think most people now think i'm a better advisor now because i have all this wisdom because I've built my own money, and the more success I've had, I've been able to pay it forward to our team where they understand where all the complexities lie with successes.
35:39Because that's the thing. I've tried to write the book on what you need to know to build, you know, your first few million dollars. But the reality is when you're going to DECA and beyond millionaire status, there's not like a single book out there on all the things. We've figured this out, and that's why I tell you, You don't have to be all by yourself with your success. I mean, that's the thing. I think about Beau when we've done commercial real estate and we're doing cost segs, all these fancy strategies we're doing. We do this stuff for our clients, too, because it's just hard to unearth all these different ways that money works if you want to kind of streamline, maximize, and also just make sure you're living your best life financially.
36:21You shouldn't have to try to figure all that out. Yeah, I love it. With that, real quick, let me give, who was it? JB. If that was your question, you get a Tumblr. If you would like one, just email winner at moneyguy.com. With that, let's move into our From the Wings segment. Here, From the Wings is where I read a current headline. And then Brian and Bo, or in this case, me, since I'm in Bo's seat, will hold up a thumbs up or a thumbs down. Is this headline news or is it noise? News or noise? And then we discuss. Are you ready to dive in? Yes. All right. First headline from Wall Street Journal says, moving back home used to be a sign of failure.
37:04Now it shows financial savvy. A little context from the article. Nearly half of American adults under 30 pinched by the high cost of housing are living with a parent. What do you think? Is this news or noise? I think it's noise. Yeah, I think it's noise too. But look, this is, I just had, we had a Q &A segment that Bo and I reacted to. And I was talking about how I did, I moved home for like three months after college. And I saved up enough to buy my purple recliner or burgundy recliner. The content team, by the way, in that react nailed the color. So I was very, you know, hats off to the editors on sticking that color.
37:47Lots of rejoicing going on in the wings right now. Because I think I said chartreuse or something. And somebody in the comments says, hey, you realize that's green. I was like, that shows I don't know any color either, but it just sounded like a fancy word. Really good at math and financial planning. But look, we know this whole, you've heard the term failure to launch and other things. We just also started the show talking about how hard housing is right now. So there are definitely unique things going on, but personal finance is so personal. I don't want you to see a headline like this and let it cloud your judgment on how you're navigating the financial world.
38:23You can do this. I'm here to tell you, I think that you just have to modify things. And you staying at home is a tool for a moment. But I do want you to try to get out on your own as fast as possible because just life happens different when you're out on your own. I have an adult daughter, and she's come back to the nest for a few months, but she's already got a plan. We've actually asked her to stay until we get back. We're going on a big trip to Scotland in September, and I've begged her. I was like, please just stay until we get back because my youngest child, we have to deal with that. It was nice having her there to help, but I want her out of the house at some point just so she can start living, doing the adult experience.
39:11Yeah. No, I agree. I said noise because just because somebody's living at home, you don't know on the surface if this is savvy or failure. It still could be either one in my opinion because personal finance is personal. Like what's the reason? What's the impetus? What's the plan in the future? Is there some family dynamic that's making this a big win or is there some family dynamic that's making this a big L? Like it's not all just that housing is up. I think that's, we kind of know that this is not as cut and dry to me. Yeah, I think you have to do what's best for your financial life. Just take into all the variables and don't let the noise of the news media or even people outside of your influence are saying.
39:55Because a lot of times they don't know the full picture. Okay, we've got some more headlines. The next one from CNBC. b. June home sales disappoint as prices reach an all-time high. I'm going to say news just because I hope that's good news. I don't know, though. You actually need to speak to this. Well, I mean, look, I think inventory is back to, well, as we came through a unique period where for 2021, 2022, and 2023, the typical house price went up by over 50%. So you can't have such a huge market event and it not create some weird distortions going forward. So I'm not surprised at all. That's why when people think trees grow to heaven and they think just because houses ran up this fast, there's going to be some distortions that come.
40:44So it doesn't surprise me. What under the surface of this is, is the inventories are getting bigger and bigger on houses for sale. And when you, you know, it's law of supply and demand. If you have too much supply, the only way you can get more demand to it is probably start lowering the price to where we start clearing out the inventory. So if you see June sales prices disappoint, prices reach all-time high. Right now we're still in the denial phase where I think the inventories are going up. People haven't necessarily dropped the prices as much as they're going to have to. and you're starting to see some of those distortions from that huge run-up are slowly starting to work their way out.
41:24That's why I wouldn't panic. Don't feel like you have to force the home decision. There's going to be opportunities in the future. Yeah, good stuff. All right, next headline from Forbes. SpaceX stock down 25 % inside the debt and equity risks. I said it's noise. Oh, so did Brian. Why do you think so? Yeah, no, I think it's, you know, look, SpaceX was the, and I'll say the word zeitgeist or whatever, because you couldn't, like I said, when my mom calls me up, and, you know, she's right at 80 years of age, she calls me up and is asking about SpaceX. We know that we have gotten full, I mean, the whole, everybody's out there painting.
42:05Even my mother-in-law, who's, she's in her, well into her 80s, she asked me about SpaceX. So this thing got way out, out over its skis. it's not what you need to be focused on. It was more of a sideshow. I think it's exciting to keep up with what SpaceX is doing because, I mean, there are big technology developments that are going on. But instead of trying to beat the market, just be the market, buy an index fund. If SpaceX continues to do well, eventually the S &P will add SpaceX after a 12-month period, and we'll know much more what the real price of SpaceX is. It was always a little questionable with you.
42:43And that's why we did that whole deep dive on SpaceX IPO because, and I was very transparent there because I've made money with Elon companies in the past. I will eventually own some SpaceX, but I was not buying into the IPO. I was going to wait to see what settled out because we haven't even seen what happens when all the insiders start selling their shares. It's just, there's such a small trading of shares available. We really haven't seen what's going to happen with the stock. Yeah, I don't think this should play into your financial life much or even at all. So, I mean, there's some unique circumstances where it does, but I think that's why I said it's noise.
43:23I don't think it's really affecting - It's more of a sideshow hobby. It's not what you should be making decisions for your main - Like if it, yeah, I don't know. I was going to say if you're really worried about - This is vacation money, not eating money. Like you have a bigger problem if this is like wrecking your financial life. That's kind of what I'm thinking. All right. Last but not least, Brian. This is from U.S. News. This is a good one. Are you ready for it? Okay. Australian officials ask fans to respect the privacy of Neil, a one-ton seal who respects nothing. Now, is this the seal that keeps coming back and is like wrecking havoc if he knocks over fences?
44:05He knows Neil. No, I saw a report on this. I saw a video. I saw a video. It was on the Today Show or it was on, you know. Oh, I'm so thrilled. The weekend edition of something. Yeah, I mean, so let me read the headline now. Australian officials asked fans to respect the privacy of Neil. By the way, have you seen the pictures of this? Do we have a photo of Neil? The video I've seen is Neil is literally laying. He's literally laying next to like, it looks like a roundabout or an intersection. and cars are literally driving by this big monstrous seal that's just hanging out there. I mean, I think it's cool.
44:40If I lived in this town, I would think it's pretty cool that they've got Neil coming back to hang out and visit every year. It's just kind of like, you know, because what is the Groundhog Day? This is just their version of the season. You know, Neil's back. He's back. But Neil seems like he's a horrible, he's not very nice because I watch him taking over like a utility, like transformer where he's just putting his weight on it, knocking it over. He took over a fence. But apparently Neil has a very large social media following. So now that in itself has become its own hurdle or potential problem because now he's famous and people want to see him.
45:16Well, hopefully people aren't touching him. They keep people out there to, at least the news report I saw, he has like a whole group of people that are out there to protect Neil too. There you go. I'm just tickled that you already knew who Neil the Seal was. I think you know more than me. You know, Bo wouldn't. Oh, no. He definitely wouldn't. Let's say Bo would be like, what? He'd actually know, what's a seal? Okay. That's shots fired severely there. Bo's a laying animal. He has no reason to know what seals are. He can't swim.
45:54All right. With that, that completes our From the Wing segment. Thank you for playing with us, Brian. That was great. We do have a few more questions before we wrap up the show. Are you ready to dive into those? I can do a few more. You can do a few more? All right, let's do it. Tony is up next. He says, my wife and I are in a cycle of saving and spending. We keep falling off budgeting after two to six weeks. This is relatable. We will save three to six K, then flip and pull from savings down to about one K and then repeat. Any tips for us? What I'm a little, because all this sounds behaviorally, from a behavioral standpoint, how much of this is goals driven?
46:39You know, that's what, when we're doing, we don't do budgeting because it's fun. And this is like what we do as a hobby. We do budgeting because this is, we're trying to set up some muscle memory. And so we can hopefully graduate to a cash management plan at some point where the money's automated going to where it's supposed to. but in the beginning it's just you knowing where all the money's leaking out at so it's not a hobby like i said it's goal driven so i don't love the fact that so far it feels like you guys y 'all get very excited about doing it and then you fall off after the money builds up and it sounds like you literally fall off the wagon of of good discipline and go spend the money and then you start the process all over it but y 'all need to figure out and that's why i do love you know whether it's Millionaire Mission or just going and downloading your copy, you have to figure out the why part of it.
47:29Because if you're just trying to save money for the sake of saving money, it will feel empty and you'll find yourself highly subjective to the behavioral stuff. Whereas if it's goals driven and the why intersects with a bigger purpose that you're trying to build money for, I think the stick with it kind of starts building up much more and it also helps you guys to communicate better as a couple. I agree. And here's what I'm thinking about mindset. This is coming from my own personal experience. I think I relate to this on a smaller scale, but the part that I don't get is that you say you save up three to six K or it sounds like you're a couple.
48:06And then, but then you get down to one K in your emergency fund. That scares me. Like I'm almost, I'm too scared to do that. Like it's different if you have a full three to six months of expenses and maybe you spend 2000 and have to like put it back up. But if you're getting all the way down to$1 ,000, I would let that fear drive you. Be like, hey, we can't spend that$3 ,000 right now because, shoot, what if an emergency happens? Because once you have the full emergency fund, that truly is like a backstop. And it does change some things. But I don't know. I would use a little bit of fear to help you get that behavior muscle started.
48:42I don't know. I hate the idea of only having$1 ,000. I'm doing budgeting wrong and the fact that it might be too restrictive. Yeah. Because if you're going hog wild with the budgeting and you're shutting it all down, and then you build up a nice little pot of money, and then you just can't stick with it, so you then spend it all out. Right, because you're depriving yourself so much, maybe. Maybe. I would ask yourself if you're even doing budgeting the right way. It needs to be realistic to where it's sustainable. I mean, this is – look, we always make the correlations to health is wealth and diet and exercise is the same as the same type of discipline that goes into saving and building wealth.
49:24If you were going on like a fasting, yeah, you lose a lot of weight because you're just not eating. But it's not sustainable. You know, the way you're trying to save money is you're like with an iron claw or iron fist. You're ruling the household, not letting any money go out. But then as soon as the money builds up, it's not sustainable. So you go and you binge, spend the money out. Go look at how you're doing the budgeting process and make sure your assumptions are sustainable. That's the first thing is you have to have a good budget, not just this artificially restrictive budget that's not sustainable to you or your spouse.
50:03And I'll tell you, from marriage advice, it's going to be much better if you're also very realistic to what's going on in the household versus what you want to go on because you don't want to have conflict down the road because you come off as a stingy, tightwad spouse that doesn't let any dollars slip out to have fun and build memories. Yeah, practically Brian's right on that if you're depriving yourself so significantly for too long of a time, it does become not sustainable. I love the idea of putting a time limit on it and then also reevaluating your budget to do what Brian said and make sure there's it's actually realistic.
50:40I also wonder if like if you're putting a time limit, OK, like we're going to try to get this back up in six months or in this calendar year. like is there an opportunity to just for a season bring in a little extra income or like what else could you do to get you up faster so that then again like if you do wanna you go on a road trip you need that that little bit of extra like five hundred dollars it's not as big of a deal because you have your six months of emergency fund built up you know what i mean i mean there's a reason that that in the financial order of operations both steps one and four cash reserves it's it's to keep you from making desperate decisions.
51:16If you know you're like that, then you've got to build that into the system, I think. But I don't know. That's an interesting question because that is one of the ones that's personal. It sounds like there's definitely some mindset and behavior stuff going on and you definitely need to define your why and your time limit on hitting those goals is what I'd say. All right, Tony, all that to say, we do appreciate you being here. You're asking the right questions and we would love to say thank you for that by sending you a Tumblr. Just email winner at moneyguy.com to cash in on that. All right. Next one.
51:47Did you like my fear comment or was that too fear mongering? What do you mean? I didn't want to ask you that. Because I was saying like, man, that would make me like really nervous and give me a little anxiety if I only have one paying cash. I think fear is a healthy motivation. Because you should be fearful if you've completely exhausted your emergency. Yeah. That was truly just me. Like I know that I'm more risk averse than some. And so that was like my take. So I was just curious what you thought. Because I think it can be a good motivator, but I also don't want to fear monger people. No, I want people to feel that sense of urgency when they're not doing everything the way they're supposed to.
52:24Because hopefully that will get them on track with the behavioral stuff. Okay. I was just curious. Next question is from PengiWins2442. PengiWins. Oh, Pengi. Yeah. I'm looking to buy a Porsche. From a good friend and mechanic. $16 ,500. So I want to take money out of my individual brokerage account. I'm 25. I would be left with$265K in retirement and$39K in individual. I think individual stocks, I guess. And so the question is, after all that information, is this bad? I feel like you have so many thoughts on this. There's just so many data points that I'm like, wasn't expecting that. Wasn't expecting that.
53:12Bingy, here's the thing. I mean, you're 25 years old, and to have$265 ,000 in retirement, $39 ,000 in an individual account. That's pretty wild. But the practical side of me is like, because I don't know if y 'all saw the story. When Elon hit his first big transaction, I think he went and bought a McLaren, and he was driving a McLaren around every day. And, you know, this is day-to-day driver. And I think you realize very quickly, that's a bad car to drive around every day. Now, Porsche is a little different than a McLaren, but it's still for a 25-year-old. I just know the cost. I'd be curious for$16 ,500.
53:56This is not a 911. I'm trying to figure out if it's like a Boxster. I'd be curious to know what type of Porsche this is and what's the why. Because that might be a hobby car. I mean, at$16 ,500, this might be just a secondary hobby car. And for somebody, look, this is where Pingy, you're trying to get, I don't know if it's rage bait or whatever, but I would say, because this sounds like you might be at step eight. If it's$16 ,500, I'm not going to pick on you if you went and bought this car, assuming it's a hobby type thing. And you obviously, and that$265 ,000 in retirement and$39 ,000 is through your hard work and your saving.
54:37Yeah, go do that. Now, that's different than if you were trying to buy a$145 ,000 Porsche as your day-to-day driver. I would not be for that. But if you want to just go have a hobby and dabble, I grew up with my father and my dad restored classic cars and got tremendous joy out of doing that. There's nothing wrong with you getting pleasure out of using the fruits of your labor, but probably wouldn't be my day-to-day driver. a$16 ,500 Porsche. But yeah, so I'd be okay with that. Wow. So in summary, is it bad? Brian says no. Is this true? It's$16 ,500. I mean, this is a Porsche that's just, and somebody who's got$300 ,000 saved up at their 25 years of age.
55:23Makes it less of a big deal. Hey, can I go spend$16 ,000 on a hobby? Yeah. Go have fun. I want you to leave your 20s without regret. I want you to leave your 30s without regret. But also, by the time you get to your 50s, that your 50-year-old version of yourself looks at you and says, well done. That's the balancing act with all things in life. Yeah. No, I think that that's – oh, we have a – from Pangy, he says the Y on the – it's a hobby car. I already have a paid-off 2016 Camry. So you were right on. You were right on. Yeah, so go have a hobby car, and then that'll be something from a memory standpoint.
56:02Could be pretty powerful, especially if you're doing a lot of the work yourself. That's kind of a fun little thing to be working on. Yeah, I agree. I like when you get to tell people, like, yeah, you get to spend the money. Because it is true. I was kind of like, oh, he's 25, and he's buying a Porsche, and he's pulling from his investment account. Well, that's the brochure part of it. You look at that, you go, Porsche? 25-year-old? No way. But then as you got into details, the deductive reasoning was, I bet this is a hobby. Yeah. And he's done a lot. Like if he has$239 ,000 in retirement at 25, he's done a lot of the hard work.
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57:14Yeah, I mean, this is somewhat easy, but it needs to have some asterisks on the answer. Yes, the reason we love 457s is because they don't have the early withdrawal. Most retirement plans, like a 403B, a 401K, you have to be 59 and a half, or you have to be separated service beyond 55 to get access to that money penalty free. 457s don't have those restrictions on there. That's why it's typically government. I love this for like law enforcement, you know, fire departments, other things, because those employees get to usually, you know, retire earlier than your traditional 60. And I like them to have access to the money.
57:54Now, there is a caveat here. There's a 403B. By the way, you can do both. You can have 403B and 457. And it says with match. And you all know where match money is. Get that free money. That's step two of the financial order of operations. So before you jump immediately over to the 457 because that gets you excited about funding, those Coast Fire type things, I would make sure you're getting the free money from your employer on the 403B. You can do whatever the funding limit is up on the 403B, and then the amount after that, you can go down to the 457. You can do both. Good answer. B. Wazian, thank you for the question.
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