Why Some People Become Rich, But Most Don’t

6 Mar 2026 · 37 min · 14 chapters

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Money Guy Show - Episode Summary: Why Some People Become Rich, But Most Don’t

Podcast Overview The Money Guy Show aims to empower listeners with simplified wealth-building strategies that go beyond common wisdom, helping them achieve their financial goals faster. This episode focuses on the differences between those who build wealth and those who do not by examining four key financial decisions.

Episode Insights

Key Themes

  • Financial Decision-Making: The episode compares two archetypes: Average Allen (representing the typical American) and Manny the Mutant (an ideal financial mutant). Their financial outcomes are based on different saving and spending habits.
  • Impact of Small Decisions: Emphasizing that small decisions can lead to significant changes in financial health over time.
  • Compounding Effects: Both positive and negative financial decisions compound, which can greatly affect long-term wealth.

Four Key Financial Decisions

  1. Savings Rate
  2. Average American savings rate: 4.6%
  3. Recommended savings rate (Money Guy Rule): 25%
  4. Example:
  5. Allen saves $321 monthly at 4.6%.
  6. Manny saves $1,744 monthly at 25%.
  7. Over a career, Manny accumulates over $4 million compared to Allen's $736,000.
  1. Car Purchases
  2. Common mistake: Buying an overly expensive car.
  3. Money Guy Rule (23-8 Rule):
  4. Put 20% down on a car.
  5. Finance for no longer than 3 years.
  6. Monthly payments should not exceed 8% of gross income.
  7. Comparison:
  8. Allen’s car payment ($772/month) limits his ability to save.
  9. Manny’s payment ($554/month) allows him to invest, leading to $42,500 in savings after 69 months.
  1. Home Buying
  2. Typical American spends 33% of income on housing.
  3. Money Guy Rule (3-5-25 Rule):
  4. Put 3-5% down on a house.
  5. Total housing costs should be less than 25% of gross income.
  6. Example:
  7. Allen’s mortgage payment ($2,783) versus Manny’s ($2,083).
  8. Over 30 years, the difference in investments leads to a significant wealth gap.
  1. Timing of Investments
  2. Importance of starting early:
  3. A 20-year-old’s dollar can grow 88 times by retirement.
  4. A 30-year-old’s dollar grows significantly less.
  5. Comparison:
  6. While both start investing at 30, Manny starts at 20 and gradually increases his savings, leading to a wealth difference of almost $3 million by retirement.

Conclusion The episode illustrates how small, strategic financial decisions can lead to vast differences in wealth accumulation. By encouraging listeners to adopt a financial mutant mindset, the hosts aim to inspire better financial habits that can drastically improve one's financial future.

Key Takeaways

  • Start Saving Early: The earlier you start saving, the more you benefit from compounding.
  • Avoid Lifestyle Inflation: Resist the temptation to overspend on cars and homes.
  • Incremental Improvements: Make small, manageable increases to your savings and investments over time.
  • Stay Informed: Use resources like the Money Guy’s website for tools and calculators to assist in financial planning.

Resources

  • Money Guy's website for financial calculators and additional resources: [moneyguy.com/resources](http://moneyguy.com/resources)

By understanding and implementing these concepts, individuals can position themselves more favorably on the wealth-building spectrum.

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Chapters

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Understanding Financial Behavior

1:25 to 2:27

Explore how small financial decisions lead to different wealth outcomes.

“Brian, we call our community financial mutants for a reason because they tend, at least when it comes to financial matters, they go against the grain and they live life from a financial aspect a little bit differently.”

Case Study: Average Allen vs. Man of the Mutant

2:27 to 3:20

A case study comparing two financial mindsets and their outcomes.

“And what I think is interesting is I look back at my own life and I think about a group of my peers where we all came out of school making about the same amount of money.”

The Importance of Savings Rate

3:20 to 7:20

Discover the critical role of savings rates in wealth accumulation.

“So, Brian, with that, let's dive right into the very first one, the first decision that most people face when they begin earning some sort of money, some sort of paycheck is, okay, what am I going to do with it?”

Mistakes in Buying Cars

7:20 to 9:10

Learn about common car-buying mistakes that hinder wealth.

“go out to moneyguy.com slash resources and check out our deliverable that shows what 1 % more can do for you.”

The 23-8 Car Buying Rule Explained

9:10 to 11:40

Understand the 23-8 rule for responsible car financing.

“I was about to say decision, but it's not a decision.”

Comparing Financial Decisions

11:40 to 14:00

Analyze how Average Allen and Man of the Mutant approach car purchases.

“If you're buying one of the luxury brands, we want you to pay cash for that or at least have it paid off inside of a year.”

The Wealth Comparison: Average Allen vs. Manny the Mutant

14:00 to 17:44

Explore how different financial choices can lead to vastly different wealth outcomes.

“You're going to see a consistent trend here.”

The Impact of Housing Decisions on Wealth

18:15 to 21:56

Understand how your housing decisions can significantly affect your financial future.

“This is multi-millions of mistakes that people are making.”

The Cost of Home Ownership: The 3-5-25 Rule

21:56 to 27:36

Discover strategies to keep housing costs manageable and promote savings.

“It puts you in a very precarious position.”

The Importance of Timely Investment

27:36 to 28:01

Learn why starting to invest early can drastically increase your wealth.

“So savings rate has been significant, and buying a car has been significant, and buying a house has been significant.”
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The Importance of Time in Wealth Building

28:01 to 29:16

Discover why starting to invest early is crucial for building wealth.

“this is the one that's going to be the biggest shock and awe stat for you.”

Comparing Investment Strategies: Alan vs. Manny

29:17 to 31:30

Learn the impact of starting age and savings rate through two contrasting examples.

“It's still young, and you still have time to correct force.”

The Long-Term Impact of Early Investing

31:31 to 33:59

Understand how early investment decisions affect long-term financial outcomes.

“you look at their two trajectories over a working career from age 20 out to age 65, Allen still ends up with an amazing portfolio.”

Mindset of a Financial Mutant

34:00 to 35:35

Explore how a proactive financial mindset can lead to greater financial security.

“And if you bring these small decisions together, you can change your life.”
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0:00Manny the Mutant:Spring is here, and there's a whole new way to chai at Starbucks that's made perfect for you. Choose your sweetness, dial it up, or keep things light. Add a touch of pistachio, a hint of strawberry, or vanilla, or make it a spring classic with lavender. Because this season, there's endless ways to chai at Starbucks. Kayak gets my flight, hotel, and rental car right, so I can tune out travel advice that's just plain wrong.

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0:49Bo Hanson:Here's the thing. Getting rich, everyone wants it, but the gates are narrow and only a few make it. If you want to be part of that wealthy crowd, you need to hear today's show.

0:58Brian Preston:Brian, I am so excited because while we know that many people don't end up actually building significant wealth, we can actually pinpoint some of the reasons why that's the case. And hopefully, after today, help lead you down a very different path.

1:12Bo Hanson:Now, you guys know we're financial advisors here to put the math behind the mistakes. And with that, let's jump right in.

1:25Brian Preston:Brian, we call our community financial mutants for a reason because they tend, at least when it comes to financial matters, they go against the grain and they live life from a financial aspect a little bit differently.

1:37Bo Hanson:I mean, if I could just get anybody out there who's brand new to our content to understand that small decisions can create dramatic or life-changing results. And that's really what I hope that we can cover on today's show is we're going to change people's lives with this.

1:52Brian Preston:And what I think is what we recognize is that these small decisions and sometimes even these large decisions, they stack up over time. And when you stack decisions, both on the good side and the bad side, they can both compound. So on today's show, we're going to do a case study across two different types of people. We're going to look at Average Allen, which is a representation of the way that most Americans make their financial decisions. and then we're going to contrast that with our favorite financial mutant, Man of the Mutant. And you're going to be amazed at how a few small decisions can have a huge impact on each of their financial lives.

2:26Bo Hanson:Look, I'm old enough. I'm the kind of after. I'm not the before picture. I'm the after. And what I think is interesting is I look back at my own life and I think about a group of my peers where we all came out of school making about the same amount of money. But I'm telling you, it is these things we're covering today that when I look back, and if you want to know where people's book of regrets are on things that they wish that they could have over, it is going to be these four topics.

2:53Brian Preston:Yeah, I think when we think about common decisions that people make, these are the ones we're going to outline today. We're going to outline savings rate, buying a car, buying a home, and then maybe the most devastating of all that we see the most often, waiting to invest, assuming that you can always do it in the future. And I think you're going to be amazed when we compare these two different individuals, how different their lives look at the end of their financial journey. So, Brian, with that, let's dive right into the very first one, the first decision that most people face when they begin earning some sort of money, some sort of paycheck is, okay, what am I going to do with it?

3:30Brian Preston:How am I going to save it? And what's my savings rate going to be?

3:33Bo Hanson:Well, first, let's get some context. What is the typical American doing? I mean, when we pull the research, research, research. George.

3:41Brian Preston:When we pull the research.

3:43Bo Hanson:When we pull the research from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the average American has a savings rate around 4.6%. It's kind of abysmal. Compare and contrast that to what we say on the financial, what financial mutants should be doing.

3:58Brian Preston:Yeah. We say that we want you to aspire to saving 25 % of your gross income. So 4.6 % is far off from 25%. A lot of people ask, okay, well, guys, did you just kind of like pull that number out of thin air? How'd you come up with it? No, we actually put the math behind it. And there's a reason why we want you saving 25 % of your gross.

4:20Bo Hanson:I mean, when you look at this slide, look, if you start, if you're blessed and you found our content and you're in your late teens or early twenties, you can actually see a little really does go a long way. You can, as little as 10 % savings rate is going to create dramatic results. But unfortunately, we know from the stats, the typical American does not discover the great, wonderful world of finance until their mid-30s. And that's, voila, the intersection point of where 25 % comes from. But I want you to notice, when you go to moneyguy.com slash resources and look at this and download this for yourself, you're going to notice none of them have 5%.

4:56Bo Hanson:So Americans are missing the mark completely, even when you look at what the stats say you should be saving.

5:04Brian Preston:So let's talk about, okay, how significant of a deal is this? How big of an impact can this have in the lives of real people? So let's look at our two individuals today. Let's look at Average Allen and Manny the Mutant. And let's go ahead and assume that they both make the exact same income. We're looking at the median household income right now in this country of$83 ,730. And what we're going to assume is that Alan is going to have the average American savings rate of 4.6 % of his gross income, which is going to be about$321 a month. However, Manny knows I need to be saving 25 % of my gross income.

5:44Brian Preston:So Manny's going to save 25%, and that comes out to$1 ,744 a month. Now, Brian, we assumed no pay raises, no significant changes in financial life. How does it stack up if one saves 4.6 starting at age 30 and the other saves 25 % starting at age 30? And the numbers were mind-blowing.

6:06Bo Hanson:Well, I think this is – look, I want to give us credit on trying to be somewhat conservative. We know that saving and investing 25 % of your gross income, that is so aspirational. We didn't even start this in the 20s. We could have really blown this out of the water even more if we'd have done this, Allen versus Manny, in the 20s. But we said, no, let's go ahead and punt. This is from age 30 to age 65. But guys, look at this. Manny ends up with close to, it is over$4 million. Meanwhile, average Allen doing what typical Americans, by the way, typical Americans don't even end up with the 736 ,000.

6:41Bo Hanson:So even this falls apart. The average American is not even doing this consistently.

6:46Brian Preston:Now, you said something right there, Brian. You said 25 % is aspirational. And you may be sitting out there listening right now saying, guys, it's just unrealistic. Housing is expensive. Groceries are expensive. Life is expensive. I can't do 25 % right now, and that's okay. What we would encourage you to think about is what can I do tomorrow that's better than today? Maybe I can't go from 4.6 % all the way to 25, but maybe I can go from 4.6 % to 5.6%, and then from 5.6 % to 6.6%, because you would be amazed at how much just a little bit extra can do. And if you don't believe us, go out to moneyguy.com slash resources and check out our deliverable that shows what 1 % more can do for you.

7:27Brian Preston:And what we've laid out is at every age, how much of your retirement income can you replace just by increasing your current savings rate by 1%. If you're early, if you're young, if you have a lot of time on your side, small adjustments now can have huge impacts later on in life, but you got to start today.

7:49Bo Hanson:So don't sleep on the what 1 % more can do, But I also think if you get a pay raise this year, how about giving us 60 percent? Put 60 percent more towards your savings and investment of that new pay raise. And I think you'll be shocked if you just consistently can, every time you get a pay raise, start stacking more and more of the money working for you. You will end up in a much better place. It is really the culmination of those small decisions building on top of each other.

8:17Brian Preston:All right, Brian, let's talk about the second decision that a lot of Americans face. And frankly, a lot of Americans get really wrong. And I've heard you refer to this before. You say that this is literally napalm for your personal finances, and this is buying a car.

8:31Bo Hanson:Yeah, if you're trying to blow up your finances, do this mistake. And this is one, you know, when I wrote Millionaire Mission, and I'm having a chance to make some updates right now on some things. More to come on that. But this is the section I'm trying to really tighten up even more is because I want people to know this is the biggest mistake I see. I have so many people in my life, as they come out of college, the first mistake they make is they go buy too nice of a car. That's right. And I don't literally want to see you driving around your wealth because when you get to retirement age or the ages you want to start working less with your back, your hands, and your brains, this is the biggest mistake.

9:10Bo Hanson:I was about to say decision, but it's not a decision. It's the biggest mistake I see people make.

9:14Brian Preston:Now, don't mishear us. We're going to talk about what it looks like to buy a car, but I think we're at a level set because sometimes we get a bad rap on this. We love paying cash for cars. And we think that realistically, if that's an option for you, it's most likely the best option to take. However, a lot of people just can't do that. We need a responsible automobile to be able to get us to our job so that we can create the income that allows us to build for our future. And so oftentimes we're not able to pay in cash. But if you can pay in cash, we love that. Don't mishear us. And so every year, Brian, we do an annual survey where we ask our clients, hey, what do you do?

9:52Brian Preston:How do you buy cars? And what's really, really interesting is when we look at our millionaires, only 40 % of them finance their current car. The car that they're buying right now, only 40 % finance. That means 60 % end up paying cash. But I feel like that only tells part of the story.

10:08Bo Hanson:Well, yeah, definitely. Cash is king on car purchases. That's what financial mutants do once they're established. But if we pivot the question and say, hey, yeah, that's fine, but we have to meet people where they are. And we know we have a lot of people who come to the Money Guy show who are brand new, freshly minted financial mutants or aspiring financial mutants. What do you do when your biggest wealth creation tool is actually going to your J-O-B? You need to have reliable transportation. So your first car out, more than likely you need a bridge that will allow you to have responsible, reasonable, and reliable transportation.

10:46Bo Hanson:And we found out when we asked our own millionaires, their first car that they ever purchased for themselves, 72 % of them financed it. I resemble this, Bo resembles this. We want to make sure we compare and contrast what millionaires do once they're successful, but also what did they do at the beginning of their journey.

11:05Brian Preston:And so if these are millionaires that obviously had to finance at the beginning part of their journey, but now we're able to pay cash, there must have been a right way to do it, a responsible way to finance an automobile. And we believe that if you have to borrow, there's a right way to do it. And that's how we came up with our 23-8 car buying rule. Whether you're buying a new car or a used car, we want you to put 20 % down. We want you to finance no longer than three years or 36 months, and your total car payment cannot exceed 8 % of your monthly gross income, 23A. Now, there are two small caveats.

11:42Brian Preston:Do not buy a luxury car with 23A. If you're buying one of the luxury brands, we want you to pay cash for that or at least have it paid off inside of a year. And as a litmus test to whether you're making good decisions, we never want your car payment on a monthly basis to be more than the amount that you are saving for the future. If you are saving less than your car payment, there's a good chance that you're doing it wrong.

12:07Bo Hanson:Well, it's easy because we're about to compare and contrast this to what the average American does. But here's, guys, the why is very simple. We know cars depreciate like a rock when you buy them. So that's why we give you, let's get ahead of this, put a 20 % down payment. We know a lot of people, what dealerships are doing to people in the auto industry is that they're saying, hey, you can finance anything at a few hundred dollars a month if we just expand out the amortization of how long you can pay for this. So we keep your eyes and your wallet and your purse in check by making sure you don't finance this for longer than three years, because then that will make you be very honest with what your car payments can be.

12:44Bo Hanson:And then we wanted to put you some guardrails of, well, how much is too much? So that's why we said, okay, let's do 8 % of your gross monthly income. There's a lot of things vying for your monthly cashflow that's coming in and out. Let's try to give you some guardrails so this doesn't get out ahead of itself. Now, you've heard the why. You've heard the context. Bo, share with them what the average American, unfortunately, is doing.

13:07Brian Preston:Yeah, when we look at the average American buying a car right now, we know that right now the average car payment for a newly purchased car is$772. If we just stop there for a moment and think, okay, well,$772 and the car payment can't be more than 8 % of my monthly gross income, that means you would have to have an income of almost$116 ,000 for a$772 car payment to make sense. And we know that the average American does not make$116 ,000. So right out of the gate, we've kind of blown it up. Well, we continue going down. The average loan term right now, almost 70 months. It's like twice what we said.

13:47Brian Preston:Literally twice as long.

13:48Bo Hanson:People literally are not buying cars they can afford. The only way they can afford them is to pay for them for literally forever. And you realize, guys, the thing that while we're bringing all this to light, and we're going to do a compare and contrast of what the opportunity cost is, but your time is the most valuable thing. You're going to see a consistent trend here. And to see that you've now delayed this by almost double is horrible. And then you think about the fact that interest rates are as high as 7 % right now. The loan amounts are up to$44 ,000. You can see how this thing literally, as I said earlier, you are driving your wealth instead of actually building that wealth so you don't have to work so hard.

14:29Brian Preston:All right. So now let's see. Okay. What if we stack up Average Allen versus Man of the Mutant? How does this compare? Well, if we assume that Average Allen is going to do what the average American does, he's going to go out and finance a new car for$43 ,759, but Manny the Mutant is going to be a little more responsible. He's going to go out and buy a used car, and he's going to follow 23-8. Alan is going to have a 69-month loan term, and he's going to have a payment of$772 a month. Manny, on the other hand, is only going to have a 36-month loan term, and because he bought a less expensive car, his monthly payment is only going to be$554 a month, which means right off the bat, he's able to invest$218 a month that Allen is having to put towards his automobile.

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15:17Brian Preston:When you look at Allen's additional margin for saving and investing, he has none. All of his money is going towards his monthly car payment. But Manny, after he pays off his car in 36 months, now he can invest the entire$772 a month. So you think about these two individuals over 69 months, they have the exact same capital outlay. They're both spending or consuming$772 a month, but they are putting them in very, very different places. So when we stack them up, Brian, after 69 months, they both have a paid off car. Check. Excellent. However, because Manny was able to begin saving and investing and he was able to get that car paid off.

16:02Brian Preston:After this 69 months, Manny has been able to accumulate$42 ,500 in addition to having a paid off car. All Alan has to show for his$7.72 a month is just a paid off car, no additional assets.

16:18Bo Hanson:What I think is interesting is that I think about my younger years, without a doubt, nobody was ever asking to go ride around in my car. Like when you're all going out to eat or doing something. So you do hope that you have a friend that's making the average Allen mistakes. So that way you can look cool. They sure do look cool. And it's nice to ride in those cars when you go out as a group. But I think, you know, the point I have is that we're going to show you, just like this shows right here, is that Manny, at the end of this term of 69 months, he not only, yes, he's driving around in a car that's not as cool, but he's got$43 ,000 in their army of dollar bills.

16:55Bo Hanson:Now you're like, okay, well,$43 ,000. How does that change your life in the long term? Well, here's what we did. We actually, if we grew this, because it's not just that period of time that you're driving the car, it's the opportunity cost of what that$43 ,000 could become with 30 years of growth or 35 years of growth, it's close to three quarters of a million dollars. It's a little under$700 ,000. And a lot of you are like, okay, well, but maybe I'm willing to pay a$700 ,000 premium to be cool and fabulous in my 20s or early 30s. But I want to remind everybody, we've done research on this. And it's back to behaviors of what people who actually have money, who are building wealth versus those who just want to look rich.

17:40Bo Hanson:And we found that in our own surveys of ownership, 84 % of our millionaire clients are driving their cars for seven plus years.

17:48Brian Preston:I love that. Check the box.

17:50Bo Hanson:So compare and contrast that to, we found this for, I believe it was from Yahoo Finance. 65 % of Americans drive their cars for five years or less. So this is not a$700 ,000 once-in-a-lifetime mistake. This is a twice-a-decade disaster that the average American's doing. So if you look at it in those terms, this isn't$700 ,000 of opportunity. This is multi-millions of mistakes that people are making. And do you see how, if I get get in the room with a bunch of 20-somethings who are freshly minted and ready to start jumping on their career and start saving for the future. Don't go buy a fancy car.

18:33Bo Hanson:That is a disaster. The only people who are going to smile are the people at the dealership and the auto manufacturers.

18:39Brian Preston:And the banks. All of those people are going to be smiling. You're going to be the one who's sad at the end of the road. So obviously, buying a car is a very expensive decision that can have huge implications down the road. But there's actually another decision that we see people making. And for most people, this is the single largest financial decision that you will ever make in your lifetime. And so as you can imagine, the single largest decision you might make could have the largest impact to your financial life. And that's buying a home.

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20:12Bo Hanson:Yeah, I mean, once again, this is showing it's not the latte effect. I mean, that's important. I want you budgeting. I want you being good with money. But man, oh man, do you have to watch these big life decisions. And a lot of you, if you hang out with us, we're going to give you some rules on how to do house ownership or rent very well. But if you just go get some level set of where it's the context of what the typical American is doing so we can know what average is, you can see the average American ownership is putting them at 33 and a half percent of their income is going towards housing and their mortgage.

20:46Brian Preston:You can imagine if one third of your income is going towards housing, that doesn't leave a whole lot of room for other stuff like living life today and enjoying the present and saving for the future and building wealth. And a lot of folks fall into this trap. And again, we think when it comes to making these consumptions decisions, there's a better way to do it. That's why we came up with our 3-5-25 rule, which says if you're buying your very first home, you don't have to put down 20%. We're okay if you only make a 3 % to 5 % down payment. But before you buy that home, we want you to make sure that you believe that you will be in this house for at least five years.

21:23Brian Preston:Homes should be long-term decisions, not short-term decisions. And when you look at your total mortgage payment, when you add the costs that go into the housing, we want your total mortgage payment to be less than 25 % of your gross income. So that's the rule. And yet we know that most Americans are spending 33 % of their income on their housing. That's 8 % that's not going towards other financial goals, like building towards financial independence. You can see when you do this, when you put yourself in this position, especially if it's a 30-year mortgage, that's an additional 8 % for 30 years that you're not going to be saving otherwise.

22:01Brian Preston:It puts you in a very precarious position.

22:03Bo Hanson:Well, a lot of you are probably starting to catch on that, look, we're giving you some boundaries once again. With car buying, we're talking about 8%. With house buying, we're talking about 25%. It's because we're trying to make sure you still keep some margin in your life, not only for living your life, but also for saving for the future, that whole concept of deferred gratification. If you go out there and just let the market or the consumption society we live in have its way with you, you will spend every dollar that comes into your household and you'll be miserable. Now, yes, you might be driving a nice car.

22:36Bo Hanson:You're going to be that commercial that we all remember, at least I do from my childhood, of a guy who's on the riding lawnmower in the front yard going, don't you like my house? Don't you like my car? I'm in debt up to my eyeballs. That's not the better way to do money. That's the way, like I said, book of regrets. This is the way, if you just go with what society tells you is going to be okay, you will have periods of looking back and going, what have I done with all this opportunity that I could have been building wealth?

23:07Brian Preston:So if you want to do this right, if you're looking for a tool to help you, you've decided, okay, it is time for me to buy a house. I'm at that stage. It makes sense. We have a tool out at moneyguide.com slash resources. It's our home buying calculator where you can put in, This is my income. This is how much I have for a down payment. This is the interest rate that I can get. Here's how long I'm going to borrow for, where it will actually help you figure out, okay, how much home can I afford? If you use this tool, it'll prevent you from being in that spot where you are house rich, but life poor.

23:39Brian Preston:So again, let's look at how this might look different across two different individuals. Let's go back to Alan and Manny, Brian. Let's assume that average Allen is going to put 3 % down on a$415 ,000 home. Manny, on the other hand, goes out to moneyguy.com slash resources, uses the home buying calculator, and he recognizes that he can buy a$332 ,000 home, and he's going to put 3 % down on that home. Because of Allen's outstanding mortgage, he's going to have a mortgage of$2 ,783, which is 33.4 % of his income. Let's just assume that both Manny and Alan have$100 ,000 household income. So Alan is putting 33.4 % of his income towards the mortgage.

24:28Brian Preston:Manny, on the other hand, follows the money guy rule. He's only putting 25 % towards his mortgage, and that's a mortgage payment of$2 ,083 a month. Alan, because all of his money is going towards his mortgage, He has no additional to save, no margin for building for the future. Manny, on the other hand, has an extra$700 that he can be saving every single month. Now, I can already hear people out there saying, Brian. The trolls are crawling out from underneath the bridge. This is real estate. Alan bought the more expensive home, and that's levered debt, and it's going to make money. If the more expensive home goes up in value, it's going to be better off.

25:05Brian Preston:So we said, okay, great. Let's look at how that plays out. Let's assume that on average, the homes increased by 3 % in value. Remember, Allen's was more expensive, so it's going to be worth more. At the end of this 30-year period, once the mortgage is paid off, Allen's house is going to be worth a million dollars. Now remember, he paid a little over$400 ,000 for it. Now it's worth a million. Pretty solid ROI on that. Manny, on the other hand, bought a less expensive home. It increased at 3%. His house is only worth$806 ,000. So right off the bat, he's saying, yeah, that's why we love her. That's why we have love her growth.

25:42Brian Preston:But wait, there's more.

25:44Bo Hanson:Because remember, Manny was saving and investing during this period. He was taking that margin difference and investing at$700 a month. Well, wouldn't you know it? Now that$700 a month has turned into right close to$1.1 million. Now, look, average Alan, congratulations. On paper, you're worth a million dollars. But we all know you can't eat your house. You have to make really difficult decisions. You either have to downsize, which is a lot of people I think you realize, downsizing, especially if you stay in the same community, is a lot harder than it is to just say it out loud. That's right. The housing is expensive.

26:22Bo Hanson:There's all kinds of things going on. Interest rates are much higher now than they were back then, and you don't want to have debt when you're retired. So it's hard to eat a house. But you have Manny. Yes, their house is not worth what the average Owlens, but they have a million-dollar portfolio to live off of. So that's why their net worth statement shows close to$1.2 million. I mean, close to$2 million in assets versus Allen just having the seven-figure house. But here's what I'm telling you. Once again, you can't eat the house. Manny the mutant, he has close to$44 ,000 a year forever that he can pull out just using a 4 % safe withdrawal rate.

27:01Bo Hanson:That's a lot of it. And you add Social Security on that. Now you're starting to see how just small decisions on just how you live can actually build your entire retirement.

27:10Brian Preston:That's exactly right. It was a million-dollar decision to just have the idea of instead of having a 33 % housing coverage ratio, have 33 % of my income go to housing, instead I'm going to have 25%. Just that one decision over a 30-year period made a million dollars of difference. Again, these small decisions over time can stack up. And Brian, these have been significant, right? So savings rate has been significant, and buying a car has been significant, and buying a house has been significant. But I think the one that I see the most people fail on, and I think it's the one that I see the most people fail the most aggressively on, is decision number four, and that's waiting to invest.

27:56Bo Hanson:Yeah, I need everybody out there. If you fell asleep during any portion of this, or you need to scoot the chair closer to the TV screen, this is the one that's going to be the biggest shock and awe stat for you. And this is the culmination of something we've been sharing with you guys. The most valuable thing you have going for you when you're young, you're a billionaire of time, is that component of time. And if you need proof of this, we have what we call our wealth multiplier. And we even talk about 88 times over. For a 20-year-old, literally every dollar that you come into possession of is worth$88 at retirement, but this is cruel.

28:33Bo Hanson:Like most things in life, it's definitely not fair. So if you just wait and defer investing and turning your money into your army of dollar bills, by the time you're 30, that same opportunity that could be at 20, 88 times over, is now dropped down to 23. That's right. So you heard that. It's four times easier to build wealth when you're 20 versus it is when you're 30. If you fast forward to when you're 40, now every dollar only has the potential to become$7 at retirement. You heard that right. We're now talking about a factor of 10 for the 20-year-old over the person that's 40 years of age. Guys, this is a scary thing.

29:10Bo Hanson:And then when we find out that the average American waits to start discovering the wonderful world of personal finance when they're beyond the age of 30, we got a problem.

29:20Brian Preston:Now, I want to be clear. 30 is not as bad as it could be. It's still young. It's still young, and you still have time to correct force. But again, to correct course. But again, if you start stacking these bad decisions, if you say, all right, I waited till I'm 30, I'm gonna start saving, but all you save is the average American 4.6%, now you're beginning to stack these less than ideal decisions. And if you wanna see how impactful that can be, let's, again, let's go back to Alan and Manny. Let's say that both of them wait until age 30 to start investing. And let's say they both make the exact same income at age 30,$83 ,730.

29:56Brian Preston:dollars. Alan is going to wait until age 30. He's going to say, you know what? At 30, that's when I'm going to start saving. I'm going to do what the average American does, but I'm going to go from zero to 25%. I'm going to hit it running and I'm going to start crushing it. Manny on the other head says, you know what? I understand that maybe I can't do 25%, but I can just do something. If I can just start at age 20 and I can start saving 10 % and every year I'm just going to get a little bit better and a little bit better and a little bit better. I'm going to increase by 1 % all the way out until I get to age 35.

30:30Brian Preston:And then I'm going to save 25 % from 35 all the way to the end of my career.

30:34Bo Hanson:Pause. Cause here's something that I need everybody understand really quick. We just said average Allen's go at age 30. We he's going to save 25%. That's aspirational. That's pretty powerful that he's already at 25%. Meanwhile, Manny, because that's such a big goal, he's saying, nope, I'm going to make this digestible. We're going to start at 10%. And more than likely, your employer is paying for a good portion if you have a 401k at work. So he starts at 10 % at 20. Then he starts increasing at 1 % a year until 25 % at age 35. So if I'm doing this, if you do the math, he doesn't even catch up at age 30.

31:15Bo Hanson:Alan is still saving more money. So this literally is going to show the example of somebody who just starts earlier, not more necessarily from a savings rate. I'd be curious to see how this plays out.

31:27Brian Preston:What's really, really interesting is when we look at their two tracks, you look at their two trajectories over a working career from age 20 out to age 65, Allen still ends up with an amazing portfolio. Don't mishear us. We're not trying to poo-poo on what Allen was able to accomplish because if you're that 30-year-old that hasn't started saving and you begin saving 25%, we love that. If you do that over a 35-year timeline, Alan ends up with a portfolio of$4.3 million. It is very, very impressive. But Manny, who figured out, man, time is my most viable resource. When I can just start early and get a little bit better through time, Manny actually ends up with almost$7.3 million more.

32:15Brian Preston:It's almost a$3 million spread just from starting early.

32:20Bo Hanson:So then we were like, okay, let's do some goal-seeking. Because we already gave, Alan's doing 25%. What if he, just because he deferred, he wanted to enjoy his 20s the most. What if he increased his savings rate at age 30 to 30 % instead of 25 %? Are you already seeing this on the screen? He's still a$2 million delta between these. Even at 30 % savings rate, just because he started later is$2 million less. It's$7.3 million versus$5.2 million.

32:48Brian Preston:He never got passed on savings by Manny. He always saved 30%. Manny only saved 25%. So you would argue from age 30 till 65, Allen was the better saver. He was saving more money and still couldn't catch him. But wait, there's more.

33:07Bo Hanson:Go to 35%. By the way, that is a steep savings rate for somebody in their 30. Still doesn't catch Manny the mutant, who's at 7.3. And then what's the savings rate? Because like I said, we goal seek this. You'd have to save 42 % of your income. Now, don't mishear us because I do, I agree. Most Americans don't figure this out until they're already beyond their 30. I know a lot of our audience is in that key element between 26 years of age and 45 years of age. And you might have just come across our content. Get to 25 % as fast as you possibly can because the longer you defer this, the more the weight falls on your shoulder and your savings and investment rate.

33:46Bo Hanson:We just want to highlight the fact that getting there early and often is rewarded, and that's why we just want to draw light through mathematics and show you that you do have decisions, not only with how you save and invest, but also how you consume. And if you bring these small decisions together, you can change your life. You can change your children's life. You can change the orbit of all those people that surround you. It is that important.

34:12Brian Preston:What I think is so wild is these four decisions. How much am I going to save? What kind of car am I going to buy? What kind of home am I going to buy? And when am I going to start investing? Are decisions that most of you out there will make. It's not like these are unique decisions that unique people are going to have to make. We all face these decisions. But if you can have the mindset of a financial mutant, if you can go against the grain, if you can think differently than the average American, you can have a future and you can have a financial security that does not look like the world around you.

34:48Bo Hanson:So we do shows all the time. We have collabs. We do other things. And what's funny is we've been doing this so long, since 2006, that we have you guys coming to us all the time that you started these simple decisions, but because of your success and your discipline, your life has gotten complex. And I feel so thankful that we get to be the educators that come into your house many times a week sharing the simple basic facts of how money, math, the intersection, how all these things work together. And then if you do this well and you do it often enough, success is going to find you and success is going to create the complexity that you realize, hey, I just don't know what I don't know.

35:28Bo Hanson:I don't know where my blind spots are. I know I've only got one retirement and I don't want to screw this up. We'll leave the porch light on for you. That's why we work with clients. By the way, we do need to correct the record. It's not South Dakota anymore. We have one state that we're missing and it's the state of Vermont. We have clients in 49 states We'll leave the porch light on for you. We love helping people master their money and really optimize their path so they get to do more of what they want to do and control their time and live their life how they want, when they want, and maximize all those key elements of life.

36:03Bo Hanson:I'm your host, Brian, joined by Mr. Bo. Money Guy team, out.

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