Billionaire Naveen Jain Reveals How AI Will Change Medicine Forever | EP #121

30:32Right. And that's a fundamental thing is our healthcare system was designed when we were dying from infectious diseases and acute care. And our healthcare system delivers that really well. If you have a acute condition, that is really what's designed for. It's not designed for this chronic condition. And let's not forget the fact that we made incredible progress. But I'm still the healthcare per unit dollar in the United States is failing. Yes. Right. Absolutely. And it's just the bureaucracy. I mean, I went to medical school and I opted out of medicine and I'm so happy I did because it's all paperwork and insurance.

31:17And it's just, it's a, it's a baroque, a baroque. But people are paying so much, in a, think about it, we as a company paying for every employee, $1 ,000 a month, wouldn't that be better to give a $1 ,000 a month for a system like fountain life, where you pay $1 ,000 a month, and someone is out there to take care of you to make sure you don't fall sick. I prefer $1 ,000 a month, you know, at two, wait until you get sick. And even I go to a doctor and if I tell them, I'm pre -diabetes. They look at me and what's the problem? Wait until you have diabetes and come talk to me. Well, no, no, no, no, their answer is take these drugs.

31:57Well, that, they're in there, it's your lucky. Yeah, don't worry. If you're lucky, because they say, you're not diabetic, you're not diabetic yet. So wait until before I can give you a drug. Oh my God. Yeah, it's like, it's like, okay, you've got the chronic disease. We're not gonna try and cure the chronic disease. We're just gonna reduce the symptoms of the chronic disease. It's still gonna be there. You're still gonna get it sicker and sicker and all the secondary and tertiary effects are still gonna happen. Yeah, it's insane. It's the same, Peter, that we manage these diseases and we take humans like a credit card machine that anytime somebody has a chronic disease, you have a lifetime subscriber.

32:30And so you don't let them die because the credit card stops working and you don't let them live because they don't pay you. Chiching, everybody, I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that's very important to me and could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love. Companies called Fountain Life. And it's a company I starred years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented physicians. You know, most of us don't actually know what's going on inside our body. We're all optimists. Until that day, when you have a pain in your side, you go to the physician and they burn into your room and they say, listen, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you have this stage three or four going on.

33:08And, you know, it didn't start that morning. It probably was a problem that's been going on for some time. But because we never look, we don't find out. So what we built at Fountain Life was the world's most advanced diagnostic centers. We have four across the US today and we're building 20 around the world. These centers give you a full body MRI, a brain, a brain vasculature, an AI -nabled coronary CT looking for soft plaque, dexascan, a grail blood cancer test, a full executive blood workup. It's the most advanced workup you'll ever receive. 150 gigabytes of data that then go to our AIs and our physicians to find any disease at the very beginning When it's solvable you're gonna find out eventually Might as well find out when you can take action found life also has an entire side of therapeutics We look around the world for the most advanced therapeutics that can add 10 20 healthy years to your life and we provide them to you At our centers So if this is of interest to you, please go and check it out.

34:16Go to FountainLife .com -peter. When Tony and I wrote our New York Times bestseller Life Force, we had 30 ,000 people who reached out to us for Fountain Life memberships. If you go to FountainLife .com -peter, we'll put you to the top of the list. Really, it's something that is, for me, one of the most important things I offer my entire family, the CEOs of my companies, my friends. It's a chance to really add decades onto our healthy life spans. Go to fountainlife .com, backslash, Peter. It's one of the most important things I can offer to you as one of my listeners. All right, let's go back to our episode.

34:56So I list, I'm going to run down these AI healthcare interactions. So a 24 -7 health coach, right? And so advising you, it's like if you, I mean, listen, multimodal AI is here, you know, we're seeing Claude 3 .5, we're seeing, you know, GPT -40, Gemini, all those doing really well. But what's coming next is gonna be the ability for if you want to turn on an AI health coach agent that is just like, listen, I wanna live the healthiest I can do. Please give me subtle reminders. years, please give me more brutal reminders. Because there's so many times, I now take my Zoom board meetings on my techno gym bike that's right over here versus sitting on my butt like I'm doing at this moment, sitting as thing you're smoking.

35:49What do you think about healthcare AI agent coaches? Absolutely. 100%. This is really where the world is headed where your AI agent is actually going to be not only monitoring eventually everything about you. So when you go to toilet, you'll have a smart toilet analyzing your stool, analyzing your urine. Your tiles are going to be analyzing your weight, your perspiration. It knows how you're walking your home device. You're going to be analyzing your voice. It's all the data is going to go to your AI agent, including your fridge and including when you're at a restaurant to say, Hey, now that you're at this restaurant, here is the best that you should order that fits in with your Y on results.

36:32If you are ordering the food, here is the restaurant that you can order it from, or here is a kit that you can get, and you can cook at a home if you want to do that, right? So, ordering the food from Amazon, it based on what you need. Here is the recipe, here is the stuff that you can actually throw in into the microwave that will actually put the things and cook it for you, right? So right now it's a bunch of work. I'm guessing it's within three years will be fully there. Maybe it's even two years. But there is an optimized, you can dial, I want taste over health, I want ease or cost over health, I want health over everything.

37:14There is an optimization function which an AI can do for you. And I describe this as an auto -magical life where it's automatic and it feels magical for you. And I think Peter, that is going to, I think you're absolutely right. A lot of the pieces are starting to come together already now, but they're not integrated. In the next 18 months to 24 months, these pieces are gonna get integrated into one single agent that is going to be your health agent. And it's going to tell you what you need and it's going to cazole you, it's going to, you know, sometimes motivate you and sometimes actually coax you into doing things and say, no, Peter, you really shouldn't because remember, your information numbers are so high, you're going to get sick, you won't be able to do what you're doing if you keep doing this.

38:02And you don't know, honestly, very few of us actually know what's going on inside our bodies. We're all optimists, right? And you're all, you're doing what feels good in the moment and hoping it's good for you. You know, I just got back from India, I saw it. You were a homelike. It was an amazing trip, right? I was in Bangalore for two days and in Delhi for two days and by for two days. And Met with some, I had a chance to meet with the right -thentata who's been a friend of ours on our boarded ex -price and Chandra, the CEO now of Tatya Grue, who had no connection all that. And it's clear to me that AI, it's a nation of 1 .4 billion people, average income per person $2 ,400 right compared to US at 50 ,000 China 8500.

38:50The only way India thrives and India so much potential is AI. Absolutely. Focus on healthcare and education. All right. So, people, one of the interesting thing about India and I really think this may be the biggest advantage that India has. So remember, India has a better mobile system, a cellular system than we have in the US. Amazing, amazing. And you know why? Because we had for so long the wild line system and there was so much baggage that we had. So people who did not have a wild line system completely jumped into the actually LTE. So they were there, first ones to implement the system that we didn't have in the US.

39:31And same thing is going to happen by the way there. The education system is now going to be completely driven by AI because there is so much need for it. and there is not as much baggage because hard work since 10th of the world are not going to let that happen, right? Same thing is going to happen in healthcare. There is a 1 .4 billion people who need healthcare and they don't have a medical industrial complex. They have a national healthcare system and that means they will be able to implement healthcare using AI for everyone and they're going to in fact have so much data that they're going to surpass US and someday we're going to go to India or use the technology developed in India to actually help us in the US.

40:11It's just so difficult to do. I agree with you. GEO, which is their 5G network that Mukesh Ambani built. And by the way, I'm really happy. Mukesh has agreed to come on the moonshots podcast and talk about his vision. Amazing human being by the amazing. Amazing. I mean, they were the 14th mobile phone company to enter India. And now the dominant player and much better self -service than the United States. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Anyway, I think we are, the beautiful thing about healthcare and AI is breakthroughs that are valid in India, are valid in the Bronx, in valid in Detroit, because we all have the same biology.

40:54And we're gonna, just the same way that Google is the same for Larry Page's kids and the poorest child in India, AI -driven healthcare systems, which are democratized and demonetized, will be equally valid. So, exciting. And there's very interesting is Peter that, you know, our genetics may be different, even our microbiome, people in India may be different than in US, but what we learned, Peter, this is something that I never shared with you. We did the study in Japan and US, and what we saw was they had very different genetics and they also had a very different microbiome, but the functionality of microbiome that RNA that microbiomes were producing to produce the functions to stay healthy were same.

41:35There was 90 % similarity in the functions that they were providing and less than 10 % similarity in fact in the organism or the composition of the microbiome. So one of the things I'm tracking right now is the data acquisition tech. So wearables, right? So I've got my levels CGM on my ororing, my Apple Watch. But there are companies that I've been investing in through bold that are sub -dermal long -term that can measure a number of different of molecules and I think we're going to get to a point where we're monitoring our biochemistry 24 -7. Yeah, right. What are you tracking and seeing in that area?

42:22So I can be there a lot of companies that are trying to build these that can monitor 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 things in a single ELISA essay. And that is really the kind of thing you need to do. The now just need to miniaturize that enough to be able to actually put them on skin to be able to get, you know, just a set up or a fluid to be able to analyze everything. It is going to happen, but I suspect given in US, the FDA, anytime you have to do anything in US, it takes so long. So my suspicion is unfortunately many of these tax will come out of India and other countries because it's so much easier to implement and test these ideas and US makes it extremely difficult to test these ideas.

43:10Now I hear you and hopefully you'll be able to travel to where you need you to get the technology. I mean, the day -to -day -pyram youth travel to Costa Rica and other places to get stemmed cells because we know it is something works, but in the US it is so difficult to get approval to do anything and people, especially people, members of fountain life, you take them to the places where they can actually benefit from it. You know, once you've got the data, once you have all of these systems reporting into your health AI, right, which is monitoring you 24 -7. It's got all of your all of your data and it's constantly gathering health data.

43:52It's a ability to analyze billion of data, billions of data points per day from you and then flag red flags of, you know, need to get you to do these greater tests. So I think that's here now. It's just we do it episodically, right? We do it with a biome test every three months or a fountain life upload on a quarterly basis. But it's going to become continuous. And I think that's when, and I think one of the things is going to happen is where we can really impact the US healthcare system is when it's cheaper for me as an employer to make sure that I give you these wearables and implantables for free and turn on your your health AI, because given that I can find disease at inception and prevent you from getting sick and optimize your health, because a healthier employee for me is a better employee.

44:54So Peter, we do that. For our employees, we give them 75 % discount. We don't give them 100 % the reason is because we want people to actually take some responsibility otherwise people just don't think about it. If you get stuff free, you don't value it. That's right. So we give them 75 % discount on everything that wine does. The test every time you want to do a test every three months All the supplements your you know toothpaste everything right our goal really is that it's not a cause because we absolutely believe it's gonna reduce our Insurance cost right yeah so we are now doing it for a whole bunch of other employers where we say look by offering it to actually gonna Reduce your insurance cost and make more people more productive less, less absentism, more happy, less depression, less anxiety.

45:37And we published these data. I think people I shared with you in the last time, I think especially in that one of the emails that when we published the data, that by simply doing these tests and taking these personalized nutrition, your IBS symptoms were done by 48%. Your depression, that by 47%. Anxiety, clinical score by 42 % diabetes, HBA once you're down by 30%. These are the kind of results from food and supplements. I mean, these are mind boggling results. And there's, I mean, listen, there's going to be a mental component too that if I'm taking care of myself, I think better of myself, all of this is self -supportive.

46:16And I'll, you know, I'll quote a study I wrote about in my last longevity book, which was that that optimists live 15 % longer, right? So if you're optimistic about your health, if you're optimistic about the world, it puts you into a very positive feedback loop. And there is very much a mind -body connection there. Peter, so I think I'm going to just give you a little bit on what we actually found. There were five things we found that people need to stay longer and healthier. Number one, we have, I think, discussed nutrition because without the proper fuel in the body, nothing matters. So that's the number one thing is to make sure you have a proper fuel in the body.

46:55The second thing is reducing stress. So think is when your stress, your body goes into fight -of -flight response. And unfortunately, the way we evolve when you fight -of -flight response is because we would be chased by the tiger. So that means your body shuts down what it considers not essential things. Such as your digestive system. Yeah. Can I add a couple of points here? Because it's really important. Absolutely. So number one, just a small, don't eat your dinner while watching the evening news. Okay, just don't do it. You know, Helen Messier who you know well and I do, who's worked for both of us.

47:35You know, she says vitamin O, take some deep breaths, meditative, put yourself into rest and digest mode, your parasympathetic nervous system. This is why people do thankfulness or prayers beginning of meal. So, right, so slow it down, rest and digest. The second thing is we've got a lot of entrepreneurs who are watching the Munchot's podcast here. And just one of the things I was just hearing Jeff Bezos speak about this, that if you are stressed, it's typically because you have something going on that you're not taking action about. And your stress is a result of you know it's there, you know you're going to have to do something.

48:20But as soon as you take even an action of acknowledging it to the other person or setting up a phone call or doing something that's going to move you towards solution, it will functionally reduce your stress levels. It's that you know it's there you're not doing anything about it that's causing stress. So if you're stressed about something, make your list, take some actions and move it forward. Or actually, Peter, I would say I describe any time there are problems. I describe them. There are two types of problems. They have problems that you have a control over and the problems you have absolutely no control over.

48:52So, Harekiri is going to come. I can distress all I want. There is nothing I can do about it. Right? So, the point is, when you don't have a control over something, to me, I go back to my Eastern philosophy. It is what it is and it will be what will be. And I really at that point, I say, I'm comfortable with whatever the outcome is. I'm going to do the best I can. If the things are in my control, I do everything I possibly can and then it is what it is and it will be what will be right so that to me Is the main thing is used to never really worry about things that you have no control over and the things you do have a control over as you say Take some action because the minute you take action now you're moving towards a solution that then you have a control All right, you were listing five things We got in a car was Peter that is exercise and again I think this is something that only two in exercise people have this idea you have to spend 7 -8 hours, 4 hours in the gym that is raw what you have to do is get body to move and do some muscle strength right so as we are aging Making sure we're doing some strength training at least two to three times a week and but making sure you're doing a fast walk At least four or five miles every single day and that's really is in terms of exercise It is making sure you move you're not sitting as the fear you say sitting is new smoking move You mean if nothing else get on the damn treadmill at two miles an hour just keep moving get to lymphatic system working Get your body to start getting the heart isn't going right?

50:21Yeah, I'm on the exercise front just you know, I've shifted I used to do a really intensive of our three times a week, I've shifted it now to probably what's 40 minutes, five times a week, six if I can get it. I found it really transformational in terms of maintaining and building muscle mass, the frequency of this. And as I just had a friend of mine, an abundance member who had a very bad pulmonary situation and ended up in the hospital on a ventilator, but he was someone who had built significant muscle mass and his recovery was directly a function of that. And so since he's been out, he's been able to add 90 % of it back.

51:13I mean, muscle mass is your reserve for being able to battle chronic situations or acute situations. Absolutely. And the fourth thing I think we can, And most people don't realize as much sleep. The quality of sleep matters, not just the quantity, but the quality of sleep matters. So I think you and I both measure our sleep through oral rig. I also use the eight sleep mattress that keeps up. Yeah, I have both. I have oral rig and eight sleep as well. And I think that changes the temperature as I go to sleep. And I monitor our sleep because as it's important, we get hour and a half to two hours of REM sleep and we get at least hour to hour and a half of deep sleep.

51:54It is really, really important. Absolutely. And I think you and I both, earlier in our lives, used to be proud of how little we would know. You know, in medical school, I was like, okay, I can get through five hours of sleep. That was like my, I'll sleep when I'm dead was in mantra and that's just absolutely wrong. And I think, what I think what I've realized is now I go to bed early. So the couple of things in sleep that I think, I go to bed by night. Yeah, 930 for me. Yeah, what time do I go? Yeah, between 4 and 5. Yeah. Do you think your morning hours are your most productive? Absolutely 100%.

52:33I mean, I think by the way, there's a lot of research, Peter, in the early sunrise, the wavelength of the sunrise and the angle of sunrise, actually resetting your circadian rhythm. And there's so much research on how early morning sunrise and doing a sun salutation in the morning, really, really how you got a body cancer. I agree and I just you know I've been trying to wake up where I have been waking up on my own at 5 a .m Especially coming back from India and I love it Those first those first three hours the morning from five two Our mind right I get my writing done working on my books. I get you know I do my red light therapy a meditation and then I'm in the gym and I do a lot of research people I've been out of research papers I read in the morning.

53:19I mean, this is a perfect time for me to, before anybody else wakes up, this is our time to do a thing that we need to do. Very selfish. It's a perfect time. Self -care. Yeah, it's right. So Peter, I think the sleep is just as important as anything else because in fact, I met you, Walker, and many people will tell you that, in a correlation between a poor sleep and many of the chronic diseases is locked. So I think really reducing inflammation, getting your brain active, I think sleep is, And the last one, Peter is purpose. And I think you, I think you call that optimism, but I think finding a purpose in life is really so important because people who live a life of purpose, they tend to be obviously optimists, but really living a life of purpose, you tend to live 10 to 15 years longer when you have a purpose in life than you people who don't have a purpose in life.

54:09100 % 100 % 100 % And Peter, this is something I learned a lot from you that, you know, we have talked about it. Find something that you're willing to die for and then live for it. What is it that you would want when you have everything in life? Is to do that now to get everything else in life. It is really about doing things that matter. Find something that can help a billion people live a better life and you create a hundred billion dollar company from. Did you see the movie Oppenheimer? If you did, did you know that besides building the atomic bomb at Los Alamos National Labs that they spent billions on biodefense weapons, the ability to accurately detect viruses and microbes by reading their RNA.

54:54Well, a company called Viome exclusively licensed the technology from Los Alamos Labs to build a platform that can measure your microbiome and the RNA in your blood. Now Viome has a product that I've personally used for years called full body intelligence, which collects a few drops of your blood, spitting stool, and can tell you so much about your health. They've tested over 700 ,000 individuals and used their AI models to deliver members critical health guidance. Like, what foods you should eat, what foods you shouldn't eat, as well as your supplements and probiotics, your biological age, and other deep health insights.

55:30And the results of the recommendations are nothing short of stellar. As reported in the American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine and after just six months of following Viom's recommendations, members reported the following, a 36 % reduction in depression, a 40 % reduction in anxiety, a 30 % reduction in diabetes, and a 48 % reduction in IBS. Listen, I've been using Viom for three years. I know that my oral and gut health is one of my highest priorities. Best of all, Viom is affordable, which is part of my mission to democratize health. If you want to join me on this journey, go to viome .com slash Peter.

56:09I've asked Navin Jane, a friend of mine, who's the founder and CEO of Viome, to give my listeners a special discount. You'll find it at viome .com slash Peter. Yeah, I think, you know, we've talked about this at Singularity University, where you're a fellow director of the company, you know, 10 to the ninth plus thinking, what can you do to possibly impact lives of a billion people? I like to say the world's biggest problems, the world's biggest business opportunities, why become a billionaire, how about a billion people? All of those things are extraordinarily true. On the purpose front, I'm writing my next book right now, again with Stephen Kotler, called Age of Abundance.

56:48One of the things we're going to see as AI is coming in strong and we have GPT -5 onwards and we have AI agents and AI driven robots, doing a lot of the things we used to do. We're gonna have to up level our purpose. We're gonna have to think much bigger than we ever have, right? And I think that's one of my greatest hopes for any entrepreneur watching this is go bigger. Go after moonshots that truly inspire you and give extraordinary purpose to your life. And Peter, I find me at to it, what are the techniques I have used to find your moonshot? And I think something that I would be thrilled for to talk to you about on that subject is, is people say this is what I wanna do.

57:42And I think it's very difficult for them to think big. So the way I have explained to people how to think big is to say, okay, so now assume what you wanna do is successful. Now tell me what the world would look like and what would you do next and then you do that and see now Tell me if that is successful what the world would look like and what would you do that? Right and then you start to say oh my god The my purpose is really to do this, but I'm gonna start here So this is how I start doesn't mean that's my vision So you have a massive vision, but you start small and then you say this is how I start and say how I get there nested nested moon shots Yes.

58:21Nested moonshots. And I think that's very important. And you know, when I'm teaching moonshots, I'm asking you, okay, listen, we all know and you've experienced this and the being I have that moonshots are not overnight, they're overnight successes after 10 or 11 years of hard work. Okay, so if this is your moonshot in 10 years time, where do you need to be in five years? Where do you need to be in one year? What can you do this month? today. And what can you do right this minute to move you on that direction and taking that first step, the zero to one is the ratio of something to nothing is infinite.

58:57And I do, I do love your, your, your point about, okay, now after your 10 year moonshot is achieved, what is the world like? I know. So if, if in the space world, if getting to orbit, reusable was the moonshot,

59:17okay, Mars, mine and the asteroids, is it interstellar travel? You know, is it, you know, reinventing society? I mean, it becomes a lot of fun, right? Life becomes an extraordinary meaningful game. And I think when we have, you know, digital super intelligence, you know, my belief is it's not that far away. We are going to have to, you know, humans want purpose, humans need challenge. So we're going to have to up level our purpose and our challenge once we get that actually more than that It's become easier. I think people are so wrong about AI that the AI somehow is going to destroy humanity AI is going to be our tool that will allow us to do the things that we could not do before and the reason people are so scared of AI is because they think somehow it's going to magically happen one day and the it doesn't happen And it's not that ET's are coming here and suddenly it's such super intelligence and we don't know how to react to it.

1:00:18These things happen over time and we start to merge with them. And as we're merging with them, they become our partner. And so it's not going to be today's human versus AI of five years from now. It is going to be the AI four years from now plus us versus AI with five years from now, right? So my point is because we are evolving with AI So the gap between the AI or five years from now is not going to be as much as without because we are constantly have integrated ourselves into the AI One of the things that Peter on in the book that you're writing. I think it's absolutely. I'm so happy you're doing it because Every entrepreneur needs that in fact in a very similar book that I am now writing is called counter intuitive Which is the same thing idea is how do we how do we ask a different questions?

1:01:08And especially in the age of AI, the questions we ask is the problems we solve, right? The prompt becomes more interesting than the answer because what questions are you asking? And you could probably say, and this may be completely tangent, that in some people who were enlightened and people who called them prophets were just better prompters, right? They were asking the right questions and the God GPT was actually answering them. So think of a God GPT that had a wisdom of all the knowledge from the beginning of time. And people who became profit and enlightened were actually asking a different question and a right question and they were getting their wisdom back was become God GPT actually responded to that problem.

1:01:54In a different way. All right. I like that. Next on my AI list and healthcare was modeling alpha fold three and beyond. So this is interesting, right? So you know this, when I take a prescribed medicine, it only works for like a third of the people it's prescribed for. If you're lucky. If you're lucky. I think that's an important, you know, asterisk on there. You know people need people think that when you take a medicine, oh, it's gonna work for me And the reality is when the FDA is approving a drug It's it's doing two things one. It's saying okay It's not harmful or if it is harmful We know how it's harmful and we're going to list those things.

1:02:40Yeah, the second thing is it's useful in enough people That it's worth giving our approval. It doesn't work for everybody and that's crazy And it's a better than placebo all the had to be better than placebo But yeah, or no worse than placebo. Let's put it that way. So there is a future in which I've created an AI model of my biology in detail. So my 3 .2 billion letters from mom and dad, and what's functioning in my cell, I know that this drug specifically works for me, and this drug specifically counters this whole mark of aging. And so we're going to start to create AI models of an entire human cell, tissue, organ, human being.

1:03:28And that is, that's a future that's incredible and coming fast. Peter, not only, I think only part that's missing in your vision is 100 trillion microbes in your mouth and gut. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. You're going to underestimate the power of what is going on. So when you were trying to create a digital twin, what we saw was identical, paternal twins, identical twins when you feed them same stuff, they have a completely different response to it. And there have been so many studies done on identical twins. And I just want people to know that to create identical twins, it's not just 3 .2 billion of letters that we have an idea of.

1:04:09But also all these microbial side that we have to take into account, and whether they and mouth all over our skin and in our gut, all of that stuff. But answer is that is where the world is going to be headed. Once we are able to create a digital twin of all of these things that we have in our body, the whole ecosystem as such, we will be able to personalize everything about us. A drug that is going to work or not work and which drug is going to work and how to make that drug to work. So, for example, in many people when they take the drug called leptopaparkincens, it does not work for them. And it turns out that you gut microbes actually use tyrosin to completely nullify the leptopap.

1:04:58It completely metabolizes the drug. Now, in fact, metformin actually works through gut microbiome and they were the research that just came out that shows the probiotic and metformin together actually improve diabetes these better than either probiotic or a metformyl alo. And you can predict, we in fact published a paper, Peter, about an year ago that shows you can predict whether my form and is going to reduce your HBA1C or not based on your gut microbial activities. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, I apologize. I should not be that short -sighted to focus on our 40 trillion human cells.

1:05:33It really is. It really is the other 100 trillion bacteria, fungi, I, via everything in your system. Because we are a very complex, it's like looking at Earth and only looking at the people instead of all the billions of plants and animals and insects on the planet as well. The next thing I listed and I think Viom is doing the closest to this, excited about the next iteration is, and I've said this before, if I go to Physician A and say, okay, this is my objectives, I want to gain muscle mass, I want more cognitive clarity, I want to live longer, and I say they do some tests, and I say I want to take the best meds and supplements for those objectives.

1:06:26Physician A will give me one set of meds and supplements, and it's a physician B will give me a different set, physician C will give me a different set. And it's subjective, it's what that physician happens to know and what that doctor happens to have read about or what's enough fad. And so the reality is there is an objective best. And once you have enough data, and so what is that data? That data includes my genomics. It includes my microbiome, 100%. Let me not make that mistake again. It includes my objective goals, what I want to do. How many pills am I gonna take? Because I take 75 pills right now.

1:07:12When I'm switching over to a biome, typically how many supplements come in a pack for someone? Eight pills? Hey, that's it. I'm going from 75 to eight. Yeah, yeah. But you're also getting a stick pat for your probiotics and you're getting your lozances for your evening. Okay. Well, I am going to, it's going to be a lot easier. Remember to take my pills every day. By the way, does it matter what time of day you take those? So normally we do have, you know, if four in the morning, four in the evening, or you can do all eight together in the morning, you can do that. All right. This is going to be like major simplification of my life.

1:07:46Yeah. Long story short, there is an optimization and we're not there yet. I think Viom is probably closing the cycle quicker than most individuals, than most companies, but I think there is a future in which there is an optimized set of meds and supplements period and you're going to be able to know it. And AI is going to do that for us. The only way, today that the reason you get different answers from different doctors are Every doctor has their own experience of 100 people thousand people or if you're lucky 10 thousand people If you're lucky. No one has data for million people or 10 million people and once you have that Then you have all the co -morbidities all of the confounding factors that no one has ever looked at in fact human being cannot process all the confounding factor.

1:08:43They say, oh, this person has diabetes, give them that. Well, the AI can say, but you know, he also has these following other comorbidities and confounding factor that would not work here. Right. And that can only happen the more and more data. So, the only other thing I would just clarify Peter is genetics is good, but I really think gene expression is probably important. Let's talk about that, right? Because I think people need to understand that when you say, oh, what are your genetics tell you about how long you live or how you should eat or all of those things? Genetics are tombstone markers, meaning they're they don't change and and there's something much more important and and you really have built biome around that and I'm a huge believer.

1:09:30Please take it away. Well, I think Peter, as you know, your genes, as you mentioned don't change but your gene expression is always changing and the gene expression is what makes you who you are. So for example, every part of our body is identical DNA yet we have hair and we have kidneys and we have art and we are neurons all come from the same DNA that me same DNA can make all the different things and what is express is really what makes us who we are. So understanding the gene expression is the key to understanding your health and your disease, right? So we monitor RNA so we look at the mytochondrial gene expression We're looking at all of the immune system expression of which by the way you saw the research period of the IL 11 inhibitor They actually reduce the biologically significantly 25 % and that's just a IL -6, you know, in IL -11, which is the IL -6 function.

1:10:34So I think really think ultimately understanding what is causing the IL -11 to go up, what can we do to actually inhibit the expression of IL -11? Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it is the expression. So similarly, you're trying to reduce the pro -inflammatory gene expression, you want to increase the anti -inflammatory gene expression. And you might be really proud of me. I just got my results on the biological age test from Glycon age this morning. What would be your guess that I might get? What is your chronological age? You're 60 on four. So I'm 30, 65 in September. 65 in September. Amazing.

1:11:12So your Glycon age, 45. 33. 33, amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. And half the man used to be. Or at least I'm twice the man that I need to be the man. That means I can probably now live to be a long time and get to watch Peter doing amazing things. So the reason I mentioned that is it is basically looking at the entire inflammatory and the pro -inflammatory markers in your body. And that's looking at that gene expression is the key to understanding why some people get sicker and other people don't, even though they have identical. identical DNA. So yeah, in fact, you're twins, right? I'm identical DNA.

1:11:55Well, no, they're not fraternal twins. Oh, they're not. I'm sorry, they're not identical twins. They're fraternal twins. Oh, yeah. Real quick. I've been getting the most unusual compliments lately on my skin. Truth is, I use a lotion every morning and every night religiously called one skin. It was developed by four PhD women who determined a 10 amino acid sequence that is a a syndolytic that kills senile cells in your skin. And this literally reverses the age of your skin. And I think it's one of the most incredible products. I use it all the time. If you're interested, check out the show notes.

1:12:30I've asked my team to link to it below. All right, let's get back to the episode. Tell me, what are you doing to reduce your inflammatory? What do you think you're doing most that is reducing your inflammation load? So, Peter, again, it is avoiding the foods that Vion tells me to avoid because those foods cause inflammation, eating my superfood to increase my anti -inflammatory markers and then taking the set of supplements and biotics and oral lozones is to constantly just adjust my microbiome to actually make sure that they are not producing anything that causes inflammation. So, reducing the sulfide production, reducing the ammonia production, reducing the LPS production and those are the kind of things that you do then your immune system is always ready, but it's balanced.

1:13:17Yeah, I'm just going to go and real quick look at my super foods and my avoid foods one moment nutrition. Here we go, just for fun. You can share me yours. So my, I'm going to my avoid foods first. Wow, avoid artichoke. And by click on that, I'll tell you why. Okay. So artichoke is a pre -botic food, rich in insulin, or not. Why you should avoid methane gas production pathways. I guess I'll make my kids feel better. No, actually, methane gas also by the way, is inflammatory. So it's not just about the methane gas. It actually has no smell. Just in case you're wondering, it is actually inflammatory.

1:14:05Yes. Yes. Beef avoid beef avoid black beans, which is a surprise. And by the click on that I'll tell you why. Okay, yes. Again, again, methane gas production. And then it goes on in detail. And probably the meat, that meat is probably because of TMA. And the beef is about TMA production and LDL cholesterol pathways. And by the way, besides telling me why, it also gives me a scientific reference, which is fantastic. Avoid butter, I do that already. Avoid cane sugar, 100%. I do that. Avoid cheese, cow milk, cheese, I do that already. And these are things that are in green light. But these are inherently things that make me feel bad.

1:14:52And here's, so for me, cheese is a food allergy. Okay. Avoid Buffalo, avoid caviar. That's a bummer. Sony's not gonna have to be happy about that. And that must be TMA as well, I think. Yeah, so the, where's the caviar? Yes, TMA. Like I said, Naveen, I need to award you a medical degree from one of my universities. So here it's now avoid egg yolk, which is new for me. Avoid eggplant, I've always known that. Avoid grapefruit, avoid honey. So now let's talk about what my super fruits are. So because you know, don't want to have it all maybe avoiding. So almonds, apples, hearted, oops. And by the click on almonds in your Denny why?

1:15:47Yeah, okay. So almonds supports heart health, good blood sugar response, oral inflammatory pathways.

1:15:59And arugula, let me see, I want to just only, oh, only superfoods, okay. I click on that button to get rid of the avoid. Beats brought broccoli. I love broccoli, my favorite, my favorite, Brussels sprouts cabbage celery. But they are white for me. That broccoli and this is a sparse out of white for me. Really interesting. Cranberries, ginger, the superfood, grapes are superfood. That's good. Let's see. Mung beans sprouts all over. They're awesome. Yeah. Olive oil is like my most, yeah. I love olive oil. Vingreek of course. Pomegranates, raspberries, salmon. Oh, I want to see some of her foods.

1:16:44Salmon, yes. Wildcuts, salmon for sure. That's like my number one go to meal. Spinach, pop, I would be happy. Tofu, turmeric, white mushroom. So by the 30 % of the people are harmed by spinach. I've got a high oxalates in my spinach, right? So I mean, in fact, it's really interesting that we put together and looked at a lot of the people that considered healthy food. How many people are actually harmed by them? No. Yeah, it is, you know, we have these generalizations and we get our food advice from, you know, from our cartoons and from, you know, from the FDA's ancient food permits. Oh, God. You know, at the end of the day, you can know, do you want to know?

1:17:29Do you want to take the time to know? So my last AI and health sort of transformative impact is surgical robots. So you know, today, I think you know this, but just to share with folks listening here, if you need to get a surgery, there's one question you ask when you're interviewing a surgeon and please don't just pick the first surgeon that comes to you. And that question is how many times have you done the surgery this morning? Right? In other words, there is a reason is a surgeon who's done many of them. In fact, sometimes you see places where there's like a surgical... That's a rely... ...sumbly line, right?

1:18:11Where the surgeon is going in doing a surgery in the next couple. Those are the best surgeons. They've seen so many circumstances, so many variations that they're not caught off guard by something going on. They have massive experience. your brain is a neural net and it's being trained by everything you see. And so you want to search in that scene a lot and trained up their neural net. Because it's really it's a hand -skilled coordination and it's a knowledge coordination. So in the future we're going to see surgical robots that have seen not just a thousand cases or five thousand cases over their career, but have seen you know, you know, 50 million cases.

1:18:49because they share all of their knowledge across every surgery, every done, every done is part of the operating system. And they don't have fights with their girlfriends or boyfriends, they can see an infrared and ultraviolet. They don't have too much coffee, their hands not shaking. So I think that's coming. And I think they also can create a virtual view of the world so they can have, you know, that 3D view, So they can literally see everything around them. So they know where they are as opposed to the doctor actually trying to figure out where they are. They are constantly knowing where they are in the body.

1:19:23And I really think they just know doubted my mind at the end of the day. The robotic surgery is here to stay. And we hope that one day we won't even need that because our nanoparts will be repairing our organs and so you won't even need that. All right, 100%. So as we promise, let's talk about raising kids. I want to hear your advice. So before we go to raising kids, give me an overview pal. Remind me what it was like for you growing up in India. Where were you born? What was the life like in your early days? So Peter, we grew up very, very poor in India. We had no place to stay. We had no food to eat.

1:20:02We moved to a village. What happened to your village? Where were you in? We didn't have a place, we moved every 12 months, 18 months we moved from village to village because my father decided not to take any bribes and if he don't take a bribes his boss didn't get any money. So he was constantly transferred from one village to another village until we went to such remote villages where there was nothing to be built, nothing to be done so he's not taking anyone's bribe anymore. So we grew up in very very rural areas. You're dad is working for the government. I work at government work. So he worked on the public worst department.

1:20:37His job was to build the buildings and the road. And they rather not use cement. They wanted to use the contractor to use sand and half cement. So they can save money and then give it to the bribe. The people in the government for the bribe. You know, coming from there despite all of that, my sister went on to become a postdoctoral in applied mathematics. My brother has a PhD in his statistics and computer science. I was probably the least educated person ended up getting engineering from IIT, which is one of the top schools and then did my MBA. Came to the United States about 42 years ago. How old were you?

1:21:19Nothing in my 42, $5 in my pocket, ended up in New Jersey. You were 23 at the time? 23 at the time, yeah. and God has been very kind to us. But God has been just extremely kind to us. And today we sit here with everything that we could have possibly ever imagined and more. Our children grew up here in an extremely affluent family. And there was never a time, even though in the early days when the kids were young, my wife will say, and we will say, maybe we should tell children that we don't have much money, we can move into a small house. And I say, sweetie, one day they're going to learn to read.

1:22:00They know that that is not what. That doesn't quite work very well. So you may as well change how we talk to them about money. So we decided we're going to fundamentally change the concept of what success is. So we told them that your success is never measured by how much money you have in the bank. It's measured by how many lives you improve. Your self -worth is never going to come from how much you own, your self -worth comes from how much you create. That means you can own a lot that you inherited. But if you haven't created anything, you're still a parasite on humanity. So please don't be a parasite.

1:22:36Go do something meaningful. And then we really start to look at everything that we did. What we learned in the early days, Peter was children don't do what you tell them to do. They do what they see you do. And that's the beauty of the thing. So So when I was running in first -space, the company was worth $40 billion. And point of the reason I'm trying to mention is that at that time, the kids were young. I could have easily said, hey, I'm going to retire and the kids are young. I'm going to spend time with my children. And what would have been people would have said, oh my God, how nice of Navin to actually give up his career and spend time with the kids.

1:23:18That is selfish thing to do because it's good for me. I want to get that pleasure. But from a kid's perspective, what they would have seen is dad made a lot of money. When I go to school, he's sitting on the sofa watching me see NBC. He comes back when they come back from his school. Dad sees work hard, hard work is what it takes, right? And they're sitting watching dad sitting on the sofa watching NBC. They say, I want to grow up just like my dad sit on the sofa watching NBC, right? Now, instead of reading the stories in the evening, we will have them create stories. So instead of teaching them stories, we say, hey, can you tell me a story about a monkey and an ocean and a Palm tree and they need to now come up with a way to connect the dots together because we wanted them to see how Everything in the world can be connected now.

1:24:05They had you tell me a story about these three things Right the idea was to start to show them how to connect the dots in the world the most important thing Peter was giving them intellectual curiosity. As a job of a parent is not to take the kids to the water and make them drink, but make them thirsty. And the way to create thirst is intellectual curiosity. And this is really interesting, Peter, you wanna admire. So when a kid comes and says, oh, look at Peter, he's wearing an amazingly great black sweater. You don't say, oh yes, that is a really great sweater. You say, you know Uncle or, you know, Jack, that the black doesn't really exist.

1:24:45It is a simply the electromagnetic waves, the photons that are hitting our light and the color is created in our brain. And so you know what you're seeing is actually not real. And the reason is you want them to challenge everything, even that they think that they can take it for granted, that's the black spot. The point is once you challenge them to start taking that every single thing can be challenged, Even the thing that they're seeing with their eyes may not be right. It allows them to start thinking about how to challenge everything that they have. And as we wrap up here, the last thing really is allowing them to ask the right questions.

1:25:25So when we talk about solving world hunger, you don't talk about how do we increase the yield of the food, how do we reduce the wastage? Instead of asking how to produce more, you question about why do we eat food? right? And you simply when you say why do we eat food, the prop you need energy and what are the different ways to get energy and suddenly the solutions that you are seeing are very different than simply growing more food and wasting our food. And we can go on and on about symptoms in the root cause, but that's really the way of actually educating children. I agree with you. I you know when I drop my kids off at school, my my parting words are asked great questions today, right?

1:26:05And when I advise CEOs and abundant summit, it's, you know, asked great questions today. It really is about the questions you ask in life. Like you said, God, GPT sort of, you know, what are you prompted? You know, I had the pleasure to get to know your kids early on and spend time with with encore and Priyanka and Neil and they've interned and work with me. You actually in turn for you. I mean, he learned more from you than I could have ever parted. How do you think about their ages of sort of 14 to 18 to 23?

1:26:53What is your advice on what kids should be doing during that period of time? How important is the school they go to? How important and as the experiences they have, go deeper there. So Peter, I think this is something so important and so crucial. I think taking children to learn about different things. So essentially taking kids to abundance 360, I mean, to me or taking them to Singular University, there is nothing, no better investment you would ever do in your children to bring them, to expose them to different things that are out there that they don't even know about. Exposing them to come into abundance and 360 having them learn about AI, having them learn about what nanotechnologies are, having them to learn about what is coming up allows them to start thinking about what is possible.

1:27:43And that is the key. The best investments you make in children are exposing them to different ideas, different things about different possibilities. As opposed to having them find their passion early, you actually your job should be to expose them to different ideas, different people, taking them to work, taking them to actually see how you work, seeing them that you are your humans, you make mistakes. But really taking them to these places where you learn. So if you find a bundle 360 to be useful, why not bring your children there? If you find Singularity University to be helpful, why not bring your children there?

1:28:22And as you know, all three of our kids went to Singularity University, all three of them were involved with XPRIES because they saw the possibilities coming out of XPRIES. All of them have come to abundance because they see what they can learn. And to me, that is the best thing I can ever offer a parenting advice is take them to a great place where they can learn and be exposed to different ideas. Yeah, amazing. Naveen, where do people follow you? Where do they learn more about the books, the work that you do, a violin. So Peter, of course, you can follow me on Instagram in LinkedIn. You can go to NavinGen .com if you want to know more about what I'm doing.

1:29:04Or you can go to vion .com, vion .me .com and learn more about what vion is doing. Or find me at abundance 360 or any of the Peter's things. Always a pleasure. I am continually just really gratified for your friendship, my friend, and for your passion. You are a beautifully driven individual. And those who know you know that there is no stopping you. And just the journey that you've been on, building biome, and how much you've created, and how much you've combined. It's just a beautiful thing. And I'm thankful for you. Peter, put on my heart. I appreciate you. I absolutely love you like a brother and I just cannot thank you enough for what you have done for me and our family and I'm always in debt of you.

1:29:55Alright buddy. Excited for the life of living together. Onwards to 100 plus 200 plus. We'll see what we get. Absolutely. Be well. Take care.