How AI Will Democratize Education for the World w/ Sal Khan & Jacqueline Novogratz | EP #72

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1:09What I'm really intrigued by is...

1:18Everyone's been having a tutor in their pocket or on a computer. A college education doesn't get you a job. Your peers and your children are going to be like, wow, we were living in the dark ages at a time where like not everyone had access to their potential. And right now, that humility to see the world as it is is to go as fast as we can to build things. Not necessarily to help people, but to enable people to help themselves.

1:47Let's begin and let's go to Mike one over there. Hey bear. How you doing? I'm doing pretty good. How about you? This is my deputy son bear. there. I need to meet you guys. Wow, first of all, bear. How old are you? I'm 11. Wow. Yeah, I have two paternal twin boys, Kristen and I have. We're 11 as well. That's pretty awesome. Yeah, they'll be here in a little bit. Yeah. What's up, bear? Not much. Am I allowed to ask my question? You can, you're first. I'm going to start to tell you. Okay, cool. This one's directed at Jacqueline. So I've been wondering because it's kind of confusing for me because you're kind helping fund these companies and what if AI eventually takes over like those labor jobs and the thinking jobs?

2:39Because then what's the point of I guess helping those people if they aren't gonna what do you think's gonna happen to them once AI takes over labor jobs? You had to ask the hardest question of the whole coverage.

2:59Well, he's a smart kid. I think about that a lot, actually, that you take a country like India alone. And every year, 20 million new young people are going into a labor force. And increasingly, where we work, a college education doesn't get you a job. We've got the largest chicken farm in Ethiopia. And most of the people that are being hired now have college educations because that's where they can make money. So my hope is that these jobs become, that were a company meant, these jobs end up using the technology to do more things for the world rather than just push people aside. I also think that when we look at agriculture especially where most of the poor people are farmers.

4:00We are going to see a lot of displacement but we are starting to see new systems where young people are deciding they want to become farmers for the first time in my life, become farmers rather than leave it because they can produce really beautiful foods for the people who live locally and And so we might start to see new things happening in the world. But in the short term, all we can do is what we can do. And right now, that humility to see the world as it is, is to go as fast as we can to build things, not necessarily to help people, but to enable people to help themselves. Thank you. Thank you for your question.

4:43Very good to hear. Ryan, where are you on mic four? Where's Ryan? This is this is bears sister my deputy daughter. Hey Ryan, talk to us. What's your what's your comment or question, Ryan? This is kind of more directed to sound. Uh -huh. But, hmm.

5:12How much do you think education for kids will change in the next 10 years with AI? How old are you now, Ryan? Nine. Nine, okay. Yes, cool.

5:32Great question. Something I think a lot about. I think a lot of what we currently know about education some ways some of those things will stay the same but I think some of the main issues with education like a lot of students honestly don't even have access to you know Jack and I talked a lot about that I think college education is more and more ridiculously expensive over time. I think just being able to have support, even if you have a reasonably well -resourced school, you really aren't able to get help when you need it. And so I think those are the things that in the next 10 years, you literally are going to have everyone's going to have a tutor in their pocket or on a computer that's going to be able to engage with pretty deeply.

6:22That isn't just a supplement, something on the side to help you, but it could also, if you need it, to be almost drive your complete education, you're going to be able to get credit and degrees. Let's call it proof that you have skills that are going to be valuable for folks. And hopefully you can get automatically connected to experiences, jobs, internships that will get you what you need. So I think education, I know, you know, education's one of these areas that for a while people have been very hopeful, but also they've been very like, oh, I don't know if anything good's gonna happen. We keep trying, nothing really changes.

7:01I've never been more bullish that, you know, by the time you're 19 years old, you're gonna have a world where, you know, your peers and your children are going to be like, wow, we were living in the dark ages at a time where like not everyone had access to their potential. I think 10 years we'll make that. And the only thing that might keep it is gonna be other things like infrastructure, electricity, wars that will keep people from having access. But if we have those basic things in place, I think pretty much anyone's going to have access to a world of war. Ryan, let's give it up for Ryan Reese here.

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9:48Go to fountainlife .com, backslash, Peter. It's one of the most important things I can offer to you is one of my listeners. Alright, let's go back to our episode. Hi, first of all, thank you very much Jacqueline and Sal for to inspiring presentations. My question is for Sal. I'm here with, I'm 25, I'm here with my 14 year old cousin, Julian, we've both been users of Khan Academy for a while. It's surreal actually seeing you and hearing you talk because I've heard you through a screen so much. I feel like I wouldn't have been able to disappointing seeing the older and shorter than I've watched your differential equation subconn Academy video more than I would care to admit but but anyways we're wondering how we can be guinea pigs for con me go julien spent using conn Academy in his English classes at school he's in eighth grade and I've used them virtually through college engineering and it's very, very cool tool we would love to help you further.

10:57And there is a process actually anyone here. So, and this is an interesting phenomenon about these large language models, especially GPT -4 which is an order of magnitude more complex than GPT -3, is that they're not cheap. You know, it's not like internet where the marginal cost is like a few pennies. Right now, it's sizable. We're trying to gauge on how much people are going to use it, but it's definitely on the order of probably $5, $10, $15 a month or something like that. So what we've done right out the gate while it's in the beta test mode, not is we're providing it to some school districts just to start testing it and using it, but we're also making it so that if people donate on our site at Con Labs, I think it's $20 a month, then that will unlock, you can be on the waiting list of Con Mego.

11:42So your parents can, if your parents donate, then they can unlock it once they're taken off the waiting list for the children, so that's what we're gonna do. And the reason why I'm bullish on it, because even at that price, it's a lot of value, relative to hiring a tutor and all of that, but we have good reason to believe that over the next six to 12 months, that cost is gonna go down by a factor of 10 or a factor of 50. Some on our side efficiencies, some on the side of the folks developing the large language models. But yeah, but if you wanna get in like this week or next week or something, get on the waiting list.

12:15Okay, we'll do, thank you. Fantastic. Next million. Let's get off the Joe. Thank you Joe for your question. Max million what do you ask once for Jacqueline? Jacqueline oh Hi, hi, I may actually say I'm a big fan of yours. You actually inspired my first MTP and moonshot back in 2009 and I spent the last 15 years essentially following that's that track. What was it? It was actually empowering entrepreneurs in Africa, building sustainable healthcare companies and for their local communities. Fantastic. So I've now actually moved on and amended or developed my moonshine further. And I'm now CEO of company called Next Boardroom.

13:03And our mission is very much along the lines of what your challenge actually is. So bringing the right sustainable mindsets and competencies into boardrooms around the world. So I would love to talk with you how we can scale acumen academy in that context to every company around the world. I would love that. And also so many of the young social entrepreneurs, we need to teach them how to build their boards and then use, because many of them don't have family and friends networks, find people who can really show up and be great board members for them. So we'd love to have that conversation with you.

13:39Thank you. Awesome, and thank you, Maximilian. Thank you. Let's go to our global virtual members next on Zoom. Josh, what do you have? Yes, hello, everyone. Zoom in from Denver. Can you hear me, OK? Yes. Can you hear me? Great. All right, great. Yeah, thanks for the chat here. Sal and Jacqueline's amazing comments. And this question is related to a quote and comment that you had yesterday, Peter and a breakout session, whereas humans need to become really great at being humans and let the AI and robot do the rest of the computerized and automated work. So, leaning into the gratitude for this tech and removing the fear mindset, how do we truly grow and focus on being loving, eye quality character and overly vulnerable humans related to where we are today and where we're headed?

14:32I'll tell you, I mean, you know, it can definitely connect to the, what we talked about earlier about the role of the teacher. And in a world of abundance, I mean, this is one thing, I don't, we're ever gonna have a surplus of human connection. And so, as, you know, even if you just take a classroom as a microcosm for, like the world, as you have AI's and tools like Khan Academy that's able to do a lot more of the coordination, a lot more of the assessment, a lot more of the practice, it unlocks all of that time and space for the human to just have more conversations, have more games, have more simulations.

15:04And I actually think we just need to scale that up even beyond the classroom. And what I'm really intrigued by is ways that not only can the technology take things off of the human's plate, but actually can facilitate human connections. One thing that I'm hoping to have built in the next year is we know in middle school, it's a tough time, there's a lot of dynamics and there's the cool kids and the cool kids and there's all these clicks. You know, how amazing if you could have an AI facilitate a conversation between two members of your course Maybe you don't even know who the person you're talking to but you can show that vulnerability You can show that hey, there's another human being no matter what their stereotype is I Think I think things like that are are where we're gonna get a lot of Human value from there's a term that Dan Sullivan first shared with me.

15:54I think it comes only from the four seasons you know, let's automate the routine and humanize the exceptional, which I love that. Yeah, I love that question and it's certainly something I'm obsessed with. As I said, how do you teach character at something Sal and I are talking about? What we've found, at least on a global level, but with thousands, not yet millions, is through ritual, through language, through more organized groups and the Socratic method of having people speak across lines of difference to build the sense of community really is possible. And my question now is how do we scale it?

16:41And storytelling. Our media continues to tell stories of people who do a lot of that thing and still are put on pedestals rather than those individuals who are having abundance of kindness and abundance of goodness, abundance of generosity. We know that wealth does not correlate to empathy. And so part of it I think is also finding a new kind of role model, which is sort of an old fashioned kind of role model. But the ones that we want to be like, but we're sometimes afraid to really celebrate in our media could do a better job. And so can we? Where you go to Julian on Zoom one more time. Thank you for your question, and then we're gonna go to John next over here.

17:27So Julian Where are you and what's your question? What's going on? Hey, I'm reporting here from one of the villas in the resort so not far based in San Francisco though But yeah great talk from the both of you Yeah, I'm going to write off of a Paris First question since that's been very top of mine because I'm building an AI learning tool Name was Billious learning and AI has been Super top of mine and the question here is based on the challenge that there's you know the world's moving fast Feel the never and there's massive disruption that's going to come from jobs So it's a question around what are the future proof skills?

18:04Where are the future proof jobs? How do we deal with that transition period from like so many people just being displaced? I think learning has a lot to do with it. So it's like, what should we be learning? And how do we become exponential learners and individuals in this new exponential age? Thank you, Joanne. All right, Sal, do you want to take that on? Yeah, it's something I've been struggling with. I think a lot of us try to run optimistic about, you know, inflection points of technology and new jobs that we can't imagine. And we created, I know we've all heard that. But it is amazing. I mean, just even over the last six months, When, you know, as soon as we had access to GPT -4 back in August, I started telling all of our team members, like, look, you got to figure out how this is changing your work.

18:48I mean, we've done, as a nod for profit, we've done things like, in the email exchange with a donor, we just take those 10 emails, throw it to GPT -4, and it wrote the proposal for us, and then we tweaked it for like, you know, 20 minutes, but then it got that done. I was originally, sounds like, oh, maybe this is the skill of the future. Being able to, you know, be a prompt engineer and tweak the AI, But then as we were working with OpenAI, it got more steerable. So we had to do a little bit less of the dark art of how do you get the AI to do exactly what you want. So if I were to guess in two or three generations, even that is going to...

19:22That's not... Go raise me money. Yeah, I was... Yeah, raising money might always be AI proof skill. But yeah, I think it'll be the human, the ability, I think the critical thinking plus the human connection. If you can form bonds with other human beings, I think you're always going to have a strong effect. And I'll say one last thing, you know, my college roommate, he's this guy that none of us thought we're going to, he's not like the Wheeler dealer, steer typical VC guy, but he's always a guy that he's super vulnerable. He becomes best friends with anyone wherever he is and he's become an incredibly successful investor Essentially based on that skill and the more I think about it I think his skill is probably the most fascinating.

20:08Yeah, I think the caring economy really Matters here that we're becoming lonely as a society and so whether it's an accompaniment model that we saw first in Africa And now we're seeing the United States where people will call people with chronic diseases to see not only if they've taken their meds, but are they exercising and helping them learn how to grow through the shop, et cetera, et cetera. What we didn't expect was the bonds that would be created within community. What we did expect is that people would stay healthy and not get sick, and that would save a lot of money, and you could build a revenue model around it.

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22:47And I was curious, do any of your entrepreneurs invest in nutrition and health care to facilitate education? And in the spirit of the conference, how might we use AI to benefit us in those places? That's a great question. We don't invest directly in nutrition, but we do invest in education and a lot of the best education models. Either we'll partner with philanthropy or the state because of the power of a single healthy male every day. In countries like India, was a 45 % child malnutrition rate or across Africa where you've got stunting pretty much across the continent. That really matters. I don't have off the top of my mind for you, a particular company that is focused specifically on the school feeding.

23:44But I'll give that some thought. Perhaps there's an opportunity there. Yeah, I mean, we lose 40 % of our agricultural production before it gets to the plates. In the developing world, it's all food rots on the side of the road. It's never sold at market. You could actually see a eye doing a much better job locating and finding ways to move of that food more effectively to the people who really need it. It would be one thing that would come to mind. And then of course, in the wealthy world, we lose 40 % of the food after it gets to our plate and we just wasted it. And so I would think there's a huge opportunity there.

24:30We've got something like 15 questions and 12 minutes left, so I'm gonna speed round. As a young Kenyan guy said to me, so please, be short. Ha ha ha. So this is from Slido. This is for Sal from one of your former students. What do you need or looking for in a partner to help reach Saltona's in the world? I'll say you know two things really fast. One we have 50 plus localization efforts including in you know Push the Darry Farsi and all of these and you know and there's other parts like Afghanistan if we're talking about the Middle East etc. So folks can actually volunteer and and and and localized, we have different degrees of efforts in every geography.

25:11So that's one, I think, thing that anyone can do if they have language skills. The second one is, you know, I need to say it, but resources do matter here. I was telling Peter earlier that, you know, for domestic English, like our budget's a budget of about a large high school. It's about 60 million a year. Global education spends five trillion a year. So we're a vapor of a vapor of that. But like we think, you know, for, If we were able to put about a million or two behind supporting our platform to go right to left That would be a huge thing and then no you know We're trying to raise you know I have dinner with Will I am and the patrons on Sunday night and he said something was amazing He said you know raising money to educate a eyes is easy raising money to educate our kids is hard Yeah, he's crazy.

25:56He's right Right money is hard period Let's go to the harsha on on Mike three please Hi, thanks a lot for organizing this like one we have two questions actually, but let me just give you a Let's pick one people are people waiting sure so basically the question we have is I actually went to India And we use try to use Khan Academy's thing and I also try to use robots right and one thing which we found out was Kids actually were building robots. They got they got to learn a lot more and it was very hard for them to learn directly from Khan Academy. So what we did was we actually created something called Hollow World where holographically now they were able to combine Minecraft type of things, Roblox Minecraft with Lego type of things and that has actually done very well.

26:49So there is in India there is something called Co -profit, right? So you can I have CSR where people can actually take money from profits and put it into non -profit. So why in your case, these two have not happened, and the second question is, is there an API with Khan Academy which I can use for this holographic universe I'm building, which can be integrated so that I can present this Alexander, all these things are there in the holographic world. Great question. But we need an API. Yeah, unfortunately, we don't have an API today. It might be coming back in the next year or two. In terms of I agree with you.