I'm Working with OpenAI to Make Work Better for Humans w/ Arianna Huffington | EP #126

34:43They're not gonna have phones till they're 16. Okay. I've drawn the line. But once I'm going to send you the new version, the new improved version of the phone bed. So when the twins get the phone, they learn phone hygiene. Yeah. From the one your phone doesn't sleep with you. Yeah, because that is an issue for a lot of teens right now. You know, they bring their phone to bed and they're under the covers on social media, you know, which will steal two hours of sleep. And people need to realize you get your deep sleep at the beginning of your sleep cycle, right? Which is so critically If you wake up too early, you're going to eliminate some REM, but you'll have gotten your deep sleep already.

35:33But that's why you see, by having this cultural activation, this fireside chats, these webinars, leadership journeys, who have over 50 facilitators, by having all that in an ongoing way, we actually create a culture where the platform and the digital products can be embedded. Yeah, and accepted. And accepted, and practiced. And then we collect stories from the CO down, you know, how are you doing it? What microsteps are you using? Which inspire others to join? You know, one of the things that you did as part of this is your reset program, right? Which I found fascinating. Can you explain what that is?

36:31And I think we have teed up a 60 second Arianna reset. So it's actually kind of one of my absolute favorite features thrive because in 60 seconds you can have such an impact. It's based on the neuroscience, as you know, that while stress is unavoidable, there is nobody who has a stress -free existence. Cumulative stress is avoidable. And it takes 60 to 90 seconds to move from the sympathetic to the parasympathetic nervous system away from the fight or flight response. Yes, to the rest of the gest. Yes, exactly. So whether you are on teams or webbeaks or slag or on the thrive app, you have access to hundreds of thrive resets that have a breathing bubble so that you can breathe consciously because as you know, our breath is our superpower.

37:31Music, images, quotes, and you can pick what you like. One of my favorite illustrations of the power of recesses who brought them into dozens of contact centers around the world. And you know, contact center agents are among the most stressed populations. And because time is so precious, we only give them three resets a day. The employer decides what the triggers are. There has also been amazing. There is also productivity and customer success. But my favorite data point is synchrony, the financial company, did a survey and asked the agents do you prefer continuing to get three thrive resets a day or get three, five minute breaks?

38:31So 15 versus 3 minutes. And 76 % said we'd rather get the resets. Wow. Because if we get the five minutes, what are they? They talked about what are they going to do? They're going to go doom scroll the news or go on Instagram and get more stressed out comparing their lives to somebody else's life. And this is like a 60 second reset. It's a fuel for your soul. Fuel for your soul, exactly. And we've now created a system where you can go on thrive and build your own personal reset, who thinks that give you joy and remind you of what you are grateful for in your life. And I love that. and I built my own 60 -second reset and we made a partnership with Universal Music so that you can take 60 -second of Universal Music songs and you can update them.

39:39Mine was recently updated with a picture of my grandson, Alexander. Congratulations. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh yeah, yeah, half done when she's dead. Well, why don't we take a look at your reset video so people can see what this is and how the power with imagery and music to calm your soul and to put you into that parasympathetic mode. We've talked about this before of just taking a few deep breaths and in particular before or eating your lunch or dinner so you can put yourself into a rest and digest situation instead of a fight or flight, which is the wrong place. First of all, it's been making decisions from and secondly to be consuming your nutrients.

40:26So if we could, let's play Arianna's reset.

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41:30I'm going to do a little bit of the same thing.

41:38That's beautiful. It worked for me as well, which is amazing. Would you like to see mine? Yes, oh my god, I'm so happy you made one. I could not not make one. That's a hand -brusting. Yeah, it's it's it's a early draft, but you know, I think this shares a little bit about who you are in an intimate fashion. So let me share a little bit about who I am. Alright, let's roll my reset.

43:20Wow, this is amazing. I absolutely love it. And just seeing your twins and your parents and your wife and favorite quotes, I mean, it has an impact on me. Yeah. I was so excited about it when I saw yours. And I was like, there's so many times during the day that I'm stressed because I'm just I'm running nonstop. And again, many entrepreneurs are in the same mode where it's like back to back to back to back to back. You know, who creates this crazy schedule? Who can I blame yourself? Having just the ability to know that you're stressed and to play that. Everybody, I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that's very important to me.

44:16And could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love. Companies called Fountain Life. And it's a company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented physicians. You know, most of us don't actually know what's going on inside our body. We're all optimists. Until that day, when you have a pain in your side, you go to the physician and they burn into your room and they say, listen, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you have this stage three or four going on. And, you know, it didn't start that morning. It probably was a problem that's been going on for some time, but because we never look, we don't find out.

44:54So what we built at Fountain Life was the world's most advanced diagnostic centers. We have four across the US today and we're building 20 around the world. These centers give you a full body MRI, a brain, a brain vasculature, an AI -nabled coronary CT looking for soft plaque, dexascan, a grail blood cancer test, a full executive blood blood work up, it's the most advanced workup you'll ever receive. 150 gigabytes of data that then go to our AIs and our physicians to find any disease at the very beginning when it's solvable. You're going to find out eventually. Might as well find out when you can take action.

45:35Fountain Life also has an entire side of therapeutics. We look around the world for the most advanced therapeutics that can add 10, 20 healthy years to your life and we provide them to you at our centers. So if this is of interest to you, please go and check it out. Go to fountainlife .com -peter. When Tony and I wrote our New York Times bestseller Life Force, we had 30 ,000 people who reached out to us for fountain life memberships. If you go to fountainlife .com -peter will put you to the top of the list. It really is something that is, for me, one of the most important things I offer my entire family, the CEOs of my companies, my friends, it's a chance to really add decades onto our healthy life spans.

46:24Go to felonlife .com, backslash, Peter. It's one of the most important things I can offer to you as one of my listeners. Alright, let's go back to our episode. I want to get a little bit now, well, I'll say one other thing, which is these are intimate and they share what is the most meaningful part of your life, right? So every night when I go to sleep, I will do my best to focus in on what I'm most grateful for, the three things I'm most grateful for for the day, from the day. And typically it's, you know, 90 % of the things that an entrepreneur doesn't think about. It's your kids, it's your friends, it's the hugs and all of that.

47:15And so that realization is really sort of amplified in this. And so it grounds you once again very quickly. And also again, it's based on the science that gratitude is an antidote to stress and anxiety. So, you know, stress and anxiety are part of life, but when we remember what we're grateful for, that's more powerful. And you know, the other thing we do is we start team meetings with them spinning a wheel and one of us plays the reset. Mmm, that's amazing. So you get a little bit of an insight into everybody's lives. Yes, you get the little glimpse. I'll want to do that for my team meetings for sure.

48:12you know I think what I really want is my AI to be measuring my cortisol levels and my heart rate and the the tenor of my voice and to like say Peter excuse me a second watch this video yes well that's what the coach that's what we're training the coach to do yeah so the AI the thrive AI coach is trained on only on peer -reviewed literature, not on the hall of the web. Yep. On our behavior... That's a good thing, not on the hall of the web. There's a lot of shocking recommendations out there. Our behavior change methodology are thousands of micro -stabs, videos, articles, resets. And also, a very, very sorrow onboarding.

49:14So when we onboard you, we'll get all your biometric data, lab data, medical data, but also all your preferences. The foods you like to eat, the time you like to go to sleep, the exercise you like, everything so that our recommendations and notges and micro steps are going to be hyper -personalized. I think that's really the superpower of AI. The level of hyper -personalization would not be possible without the context window of AI, you know, billions and potentially trillions of data points. And the multimodal version, right? We're all gonna have... So I speak about this a lot, the notion that we all have some version of Jarvis from Ironman.

50:03Call it a co -pilot, call it your coach that knows everything about you. You're going to give it permission to know anything and everything about you so that it can maximize its support of you. Yes. It's measuring your sleep. You'll give it permission to listen to your conversations, to read your emails. And at least I believe there's going to be a future where it heard my conversation with somebody I walk into the room. It knows I'm stressed. The music changes. My reset video comes up on the screen.

50:43And I'm psychologically reset. At the same time, my AI is measuring my blood sugar, my vitamin levels, my mRNAs, whatever. and it's telling the robot in the kitchen what meal to prepare needed for my, you know, my blood markers at this moment. And you know, I love the fact that there is so much that's possible right now. And then there are things that are going to be passed possible maybe sooner than we think, like I wrote in the kitchen preparing our meal. But I think it's important to know how much is available right now because people are herding. Yeah, and I love the fact that you've really come, I mean, you and I have approached this from two different ends of the spectrum, but Thrive Global and Thrive AI has really made this possible on a diminimous cost, right?

51:42And I think the fact of the matter is, This is a price that an employer is willing gratefully to pay because of increased productivity and less days missed and reduced healthcare costs and it's a win -win win. And I'm sure the numbers are pretty dramatic. I quoted you in the book about some of the numbers. Do you have them there accessible? Well, the numbers are dramatic and thank you for quoting them in the book. Both in terms of productivity, absenteeism, recruitment, all the metrics that matter to an employer. But also Peter, what we are doing now and that's kind of the additional new part for thrive, is working through big companies like Eli Lilly.

52:43So neither thrive global nor thrive AI health are going to be a consumer product. At some point maybe thrive AI health will launch a consumer product, but right now the model is B2B and B2B2C. Yeah. And just to give you an example of the B2B2C, Eli Lilly wants to go directly to consumers. They want to have a direct relationship with consumers. So they launched Lilly Direct. Thrive is already a partner. So you go to Lilly Direct, you have a telehealth appointment, when you get your obesity, diabetes, migraine, soon Alzheimer's drug, whatever you drug you're on, and then you are given the coach for free.

53:36Yes. Now, as you know, as an amazing entrepreneur, incentives are superpowers. They are, I built a whole ex -price around that. Exactly. So we need to understand why do the farmer company give your coach for free to improve your daily behaviors while you are taking your drug and There is a so clear One of the biggest problems Farmer companies have exactly is adherence. Yeah 25 % of people do not even feel the first prescription Now, they have a coach that is involved in their daily behaviors and their relationship is not just transactional but much deeper and more intimate. You are improving adherence categorically.

54:32And also another thing is farmer companies, PBMs, payers, providers are dealing with their reputation problem at the moment. Yes, they are, for sure. For, you know, building a relationship where it's not just transactional, it's a huge reputation, hello. So we are just always looking at what are the incentives here, so that we can scale. And the goal of the coach is to democratize access to what the people you and I know and you work with are already doing. People with resources are already optimizing for these five behaviors. Well, the more wise you get and the older you get bluntly, the more you realize that these things are fundamental.

55:35I love life. I want to see as much of it as I can and it's not going to happen without optimization. Exactly. And the things that you can do today are sleep, diet, exercise, mindset. Those are literally free and low cost things that you can alter. But people don't because it's easy to continue doing what you've always done. And also because the majority of people don't have access to that expert level coaching that so many people with resources do have access to. So that's really the reason why Alice Walton invested in the company is because her whole goal is to bring the power of AI to the heartland.

56:31to basically democratize and scale everything that we know scientifically, that AI may expose. And that's really what I'm so excited about. You know, the health inequities for me are the biggest inequity. Yeah. I get it. You know, you and I are going to be on stage together at the abundance summit in March and going into depth on this and excited to see you personally, give you a big hug, hopefully before then, but at least in March. I'm gonna have the team from Fountain Life that will be there, which has been my diagnostics and therapeutics center. You know, we're taking a different part of the sector where we're really gathering 200 gigabytes of data about your current state of physiology, right?

57:30It's full body MRI, brain, brain vasculature, coronary CT, dexascan, lung scan, microbiome, tabloom, all of that. And then through a functional medicine lens answering that, you know, two questions, is there anything going on inside your body? You need to know about right now because sadly, We're all optimists about our health and we actually have a very little idea of what's going on inside our body unless you look. And then what's likely to happen to you down the line and how do we prevent that from happening and optimize you in that way. But what you're doing is so important as the upfront portion of that at scale.

58:18And so I'm super thankful and I really want to see if we can deliver thrive global to all of our members there. Can I ask you, you got Sam Altman involved as a co -founder of Thrive AI. How did that materialize? I know that Sam is interested in longevity. I've had those conversations. I've had them on the abundant stage as well. And I know he had, he partnered with Joe Betts -Lacroy to create retro biosciences looking at epigenic reprogramming. Was this something that he approached you on or did you approach him on? How did it materialize? You know, we got to know each other. We met at a conference three years ago, and during the time we spent together, we found an alignment around behaviors.

59:21He, for him, for two reasons. One is that personally, he talks about how he was dealing with crippling anxiety and how he started prioritizing. He's asleep, he's meditation, you know, he's a meditator, he's been to retreats, to just actually connect with a deeper part of himself, food, exercise, all these things that we're talking about, how he brought them to his life and how it changed outcomes and made him infinitely more productive and also able to be in the eye of the hurricane to deal with multiple stresses and crises and problems as he's dealing with every... He isn't the heart of the hurricane for sure.

1:00:11But learn how to be in the eye of the hurricane. Yeah. And also, he wanted to tell a fuller story around AI. Because right now, the story around AI is either around productivity. It's going to make us more productive. You'll have an assistant who can do anything great, fantastic. But it doesn't affect millions of people. Or it's about Razzle -Dazzle features. You know, this text will become a video. A movie. A feature movie. a feature movie, your wife will tell you about a podcast she loves not give you the name, but I will find it great fun, fun, okay. But you know, I'm struggling. 130 million people are struggling with chronic diseases.

1:01:11Can you do anything for me? So I think being able to tell a story for what OpenAI describes as everyday people. It's a very important part for all of us who care and believe in AI. It can't just be a tool for their needs, while millions of people are simply anxious about AI taking their job. If I might, you are very much in the eye of this AI hurricane as well. I mean, you know most of the tech elite to use that term. How do you feel about the future of AI? I had, you know, Elon and Jeffrey Hinton and Ray Kurzweil on stage with me at the abundance summit last year. And the sense was, in summary, there's 80 % chance AI is going to be amazing and we're great.

1:02:1420 % chance were screwed. You know, it's like, how do, how does the public think about, how do you think about that? What's your advice for people thinking about that? Well, my advice, and actually I just wrote a piece about Hival Haraw is new book, Nexus. And he is a bit of an AI doomsayer, but in a very, very interesting, fascinating way because he's really under an amazing public intellectual. And my piece focused on certain things he has said that I totally believe in, which is why AI has a long way to go. So do humans. We are also working progress. And if you don't acknowledge that, if you don't acknowledge that, AI can help us become the best versions of ourselves.

1:03:12Then I think we are doomed because ultimately what we do with AI depends on humans. Another AI is not just a tool, it's an agent, etc. But ultimately we can't be deterministic about technology. And you know, you've all said something actually not in his book, but on the daily show that I and my piece on his book with, and which I want to read it to you, if you don't mind. Please, I'd love to. Yeah. Because I think it's everything I believe about the future of AI. He said, if for every dollar and every minute that we invest in developing artificial intelligence, We also invest in exploring and developing our own minds.

1:04:05It will be okay. But if we put all our bets on technology, on AI, and neglect to develop ourselves, this is very bad news for humanity. I get that. And of course, there are two points of view here. you know, raise belief is that we are going to merge with AI. Definitively, we, and we're giving birth to a new species. AI is our progeny. We're feeding it on our data. And it's becoming, it's becoming God -like with a small G. I'm niche, I'm nip -ed -ent, I'm new present in so many ways. but there is a sense that we will be able to merge with it into the future. You know, I like to say, quote, one of the singularity faculty, Neil Jacobs time said, I'm not worried about artificial intelligence and worried about human stupidity.

1:05:08But my point is that human stupidity is obviously a fact of history, but it doesn't have to be. And I love Ray. I think Ray is totally brilliant, but I completely disagree with him. I think that human beings have a soul. And AI doesn't. And the more we can connect to our soul, we will connect to our own wisdom. And when we connect to our own wisdom, We can yet use AI to be the best versions of ourselves. And you know, Sanjanajana had this great quote about how every human being is a mixture. He actually said, the line between good and evil goes through every human heart. So how can AI help us and activate the best part of us?

1:06:09That for me is the greatest hop of AI. And AI doesn't have a soul, it doesn't have consciousness. And we do. And we need to access it more. Why do you think reset works? Peter, it works because we all have a place of peace, wisdom, and strengthiness. Most of the time we're disconnected from it. The more we can connect with, the more we can tap into it, the better everything is, the wiser we are, the more compassionate and empathetic we are. And I believe that whether people call themselves atheists or not is irrelevant. They still have that place in them. Real quick, I've been getting the most unusual compliments lately on my skin.

1:07:03Truth is, I use a lotion every morning and every night religiously called one skin. It was developed by four PhD women who determined a 10 amino acid sequence that is a syndolytic that kills senile cells in your skin. And this literally reverses the age of your skin. And I think it's one of the most incredible products. I use it all the time. If you're interested, check out the show notes. I've asked my team to link to it below. Alright, let's get back to the episode. I want to pick up something we mentioned earlier, which is the notion that will AI be empathic? Will it be, it will be infinitely patient?

1:07:47You know, the notion, it was an interesting study and I think it was in JAMA looking at how if you compare empathy of physicians versus empathy of AIs, the AIs one by 10 to one, that the AI was infinitely patient, infinitely there to reflect back on you what you said. While a physician, I was talking to a doctor yesterday who has transitioned in her practice, But she says, you know, I had an iPad with a countdown timer. The patient would walk in, I would hit it, and it would count down from seven minutes, and by the time it was zero, that patient was out the door, with or without being all the questions being answered.

1:08:36And that has been American medicine filled with paperwork and insurance forms and all of that stuff. How do you think about AI's being empathic and being therapists who don't judge you? and we'll take all the time to help you. I completely agree with that. That's not AI having a soul. It's AI having a brain. I agree. And I totally agree. It's what you said. The key thing is that you're not being judged. It's a little bit like the GPS in your car. If you take the wrong turn, the GPS, as I say, or Peter, you're watching me. It simply recalculates. And that's what AI does, which is great and empathetic, but it doesn't mean that it's a transcendent being.

1:09:30I mean, I happen to be a deep believer in a transcendent reality. And whatever religion you are at the heart of it in its esoteric form, whether it's Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Judaism, you know, there is that truth that unites us. And as I said, most of the time we're not connected to it. Yes, our mind is whizzing away. Our mind is freezing away. We are driven by fears, anxiety. The more we can connect to that, the wiser and the healthier will be and the more empathetic. And you know, that's one of the things the coach is going to do. Let's say it will find out from you Peter, what are some of the things that most connect you to the deeper part?

1:10:31It could be a piece of poetry that you barely remember. It could be a song that you heard in Greece. It could be a hymn because a lot of people who are atheists may have gone to church early on. And there is a hymn that evokes something in them. And we'll feed you these things. You know, our Greek compatriots said, no, that's self. Nobody knows better than him. No, this is a ton. Yes. Yes. Yes. And it's, so some people who are cynical will say, oh, so you'll just get manipulated by AI to be, but you're choosing to ask the AI to help get you into a better state of mind because no one likes being stressed.

1:11:19And also Peter, we're being manipulated all the time right now. By the news media for sure. But by social media, news media, but we are being hacked, you know, to be the worst version of ourselves. We are being hacked by tapping into a biases, our outrage, our anger. I believe companies can make a lot of money by hacking into what's good in us. I believe that Ariana and you know grateful to you for this you know third act in your entrepreneurial life. I want to balance an idea off you which is the idea of wisdom. So if you know if you were to ask the question what makes a person wise or people who are on a sort of a wisdom council.

1:12:20I would imagine it is because they've seen enough things to have experienced them to be able to say, young woman or young man, if you go down that path, it ends in a poor fashion. This way has a possibility, but this way, well, it's more difficult, and they have that wisdom through experience in their own lives and passed down from previous generations. And I think of that as a wisdom. Do you agree with that? Absolutely. So here's the question. I think we're going to see a world in the very near future where AIs are able to simulate billions of scenarios in society to be able to say probabilistically for the situation that you're in, this is the path that is the greatest probability of a positive outcome.

1:13:26And so I do think we can see wisdom from that definition coming out of AI simulation systems. But I think there is more to wisdom. First of all, can we all agree that at the moment we are drowning in data, there's more data in the world and we are starved for wisdom. I would say that is both true statements. And it's not because we don't have amazing technology. Wisdom is something more. Wisdom is connected to the deepest part of ourselves, to our intuition, to our sense of wonder about the universe, to the ability to forgive and to love. You know, it's connected with the deepest things that make us human.

1:14:17It's not just about deciding what road to take. It's about, you know, if you take Marcus Aurelius, who I believe is the greatest leadership philosopher, I have his book meditations on my nightstand and read a page before I got to sleep because he was in the world. He was the emperor of Rome for 19 years. Yeah. He dealt with every crisis, plague, betrayals, invasions, and he was able to be unflappable. He epitomized wisdom and his philosophy was that I can eye, Marcus Aurelius, I, Ariana, a new Peter cannot control events. The only thing we can control is how we respond to events. Yes. And if we learn to respond without being reactive, angry, in reality, I don't mean not showing it, I mean not feeling it.

1:15:23Yes. Then we have what what you will have in his book called the self -correcting mechanisms. You know, we all need sharper self -correcting mechanisms because we are human. We are going to make a lot of mistakes. How quickly can we cause correct? And how quickly can we forgive? I think forgiveness is at the heart of wisdom. I agree. I've got one of them. Please, it's my mom will love you for saying all of this, for sure. But that's it. The wisdom of your mom and my mom. Yes. That's wisdom. You know, and it's different than your mom or your mom giving us advice as to what decision to make, which I can absolutely help us do.

1:16:17But what your mom and my mom taught us was deeper. Yep, which is the root of family as foundational in society. Exactly. As important. Ariana, I am so grateful for this time. I want to say thank you for all you do. It's not a surprise that you're the number one woman on LinkedIn. Number the fifth most followed person on LinkedIn in general. They can find you at Ariana Huffington on LinkedIn. Yeah. You're social. And then to learn more about Thrive Global, how where should they go? Should they go to their companies and ask their... I thought it was their companies that can go to Thrive Global .com.

1:17:05All right. Ask your CHRO to get your company on Thrive Global so that your company can make more money and have happier employees and healthier employees for sure. And Peter, I just loved this. You know, I treasure our friendship, my God, 20 years. And I love how we are both constantly and learning, improving, doing all the things that we care about. And I look forward to being together on stage. Yeah, for sure. Tabma, thank you. Yes, where are you at now? Bye. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.