Leading Experts Predictions on the Future of AI & AGI w/ Salim Ismail | EP #94

28:34and I run anything else. I'll take the beatings as they come or go in order to get to that end goal because I'm sure it doesn't come without turbulence. Amazing. Just Fabi, you know the, I went and looked at my Twitter history. The very first bookmark I ever created on Twitter was from a guy called Sahil Lavinjiya who said, Web 2 is your being your own boss and Web 3 is your being your own bank. And I think that kind of nails it because you can own Bitcoin with freedom and no middleman. That gives you unbelievable independence in freedom. So you know, Nat Friedman really well. And you know, GitHub, his company, which was sold to Microsoft, tell us a little bit of background about Nat and GitHub.

29:24So you know, when we wrote the original 2014 exponential organizations book, where you were a major contributor and should have been a co -author. or the, we ranked 100 fastest growing and most exponential organizations. And number one on the list was GitHub. Why? Because it used all 11 attribute staff on demand, community and crowd algorithms. And it did for writing its code base, it used its community. So it didn't have anybody on the team. It leveraged its entire community to build out its repositories and people from the open source community He created the open source platform, the MTP of social coding, because we have really good evidence that coding and pairs are me watching over your shoulder or vice versa results in much better code.

30:10And seven, eight years later, after founding Microsoft buys them for seven and a half billion dollars. And I remember talking to the accounting partner that manages this acquisition and he's literally freaking out. He's like, I don't know what to put on the balance sheet. They have no assets to speak of, no workforce to speak of, no intellectual property. And he's literally trying to kill the deal because he's got nothing to show for it on the balance sheet and how the LZ justify and put a signature on it and it was finally. The CEO satya said frickin just buy it is the community right you're buying 30 million developers putting all of their open source resources into GitHub unbelievable and now when you add AI to that capability boom the world changes completely and it's an incredible story.

30:56story of leveraging the model without even knowing the model and there you go. One of the most powerful things that Nat said and it's a perfect tweet. If I haven't tweeted it, I will. He said, we've discovered a new continent and he called it AI Atlantis. And so we discovered a new continent with a hundred billion people on it that are willing to work for free for us for a few watts of power. So this is the way he's describing the world of AI. I think he said 100 billion graduate students actually in the conversation. So, I mean, that is fascinating, right? Because we're going to have AI at a graduate student level, and it is effectively working for free.

31:41And so, how much do you know? On top of that, you'd have to worry about hormones or coffee breaks or going on strike or doing fights with a boyfriend and girlfriend, all of that stuff. sleeping all of that and they need to sleep. Oh my God. This is the challenge with the Gen Z world. They're really, they're really purpose driven, but Lord help you once you hire them. You have to figure out and manage them. And that's a whole other set of books that have to be written around that. So I think there's unbelievable potential here. I think it still needs a layer of guidance for these that are still not quite there yet.

32:09But as we get to the AI agent that will then train other AI's, that'll become the doors will blow off that. You know, Ema was there. I just finished a podcast with Iman that is his tell all about because he was there as CEO of Stability and the day after about in 360 closed he Basically quit He stepped down his CEO stepped down as a board member of stability and in the podcast you can see it as well and Moonshots, he talks about why and the difficulty of being a CEO in such a crazy, you know, like, where what other industry do you have to be like, you know, talking to world leaders, debating in Congress, having to deal with, you know, create the regulations, deal with the regulations, having people being stolen from you left and right, having billions of dollars flying and trying to play and do all this stuff in an open source.

33:09All of it to our time space. Crazy. Yeah, it's really, really tough. You have to be like a multiple superpowers to be a CEO. I think, you know, where we're gonna get to with these types of companies and this type of modalities, you need like a team of CEOs, not just one, like a pod. Cause then you can share the load a bit. Doing this on one person's shoulders is asking too much of a human being. Just like we don't have anyone human being that knows how an iPhone is put together or a car is put together. The same thing now applies to being CEO of one of these fast -moving companies. We've seen a lot of turbulence, right?

33:48With Sam, Altman, being fired, coming back, we've seen the stock, the stock of Salomon going into Microsoft. We saw Ilya leave, whatever Ilya saw. That's my favorite theme. What did Ilya see? A long story short, a lot of change. I think the question is governance. How are these companies properly governed? Emon is very clear that these closed AI companies are in his mind our greatest threat, and that the only way to go forward is with a decentralized, democratic AI system. You can't have any single company having that much power. It just can't. Yeah, I had some conversations with him at the abundance summit.

34:42He was on my advisory board for a couple of years at OpenEXO. But what I really found fascinating was he's got a two by two of open and decentralized. Sam opened decentralized AI into everybody being able to have access to it, but it still is a closed model. If you can get to an open source model that's also decentralized, then really, really some amazing things are going to take place. And that's where EMOT is now going for. And his area of focus right now, we talked about this a lot that the biggest opportunity for humanity is going to be education and it says here science, but really education and health, right?

35:22One of the things that's so important is all 8 billion people are running the same genetic codes, or same operating system and a breakthrough in one country represents a breakthrough in the others. And the best way to make the world more peaceful is to make people more educated. Yeah. You believe that? I think that's right. Because more sophisticated people tend to fight less, right? Yeah. Yeah. When we're going to wars with our base or instincts and our operating on a panic and fear and our lizard brain and the more sophisticated and more educate we become, we tend to fight less and be less stupid about how we view the world.

36:00I had one issue with what he said was where he said education and science. I would add health care to that because I think health care is such an unbelievable way of saying that. I said health and set of science, right? Education and health is what I was saying. Yeah. Okay, got it. But I thought he said, I thought he said education and science. I he did. I changed it. Okay. Yeah. Because That's what I've been talking to him about ever since is health as his next mission and education following that. I agree. We did talk about the idea with that Friedman and with E -Mod that we're going to start to see AI become capable of developing new physics and you break through in biotech.

36:48That was a huge conversation. Can I do that just for a second? Yeah, there's something called a materials project, which is an open source database of several hundred thousand compounds. Where if you're a battery researcher, you're operating linearly rather than exponentially. You're saying, okay, I'm going to try lithium ion as a battery formula, and that gets you so far. Maybe lithium air is better, maybe lithium sulfur is better, but you're sequentially testing compound after compound. This is why this is why medicine, Edison and the light bulb. Yeah, now you can go to this open source database and say, I want and in this database several hundred thousand compounds have their electrical, chemical and physical properties deeply tagged.

37:26So you can say, I want to, I want to battery material compound that will have this voltage retention and this thermal effect that does and this kind of chemical retention. And let's say here are the five compounds that beat your needs and boom, you're done. Then you add AI to it and the world changes completely. I think we're going to see a most unbelievable scientific breakthroughs when you add AI to the equation to traditional scientific research. Yeah, I'll add two points. One of the things that we're going to see, I think of it as the material's genome. I had the CEO of applied materials. We talked about that years ago, but the ability to interpolate and extrapolate.

38:05So if you think about that, that materials matrix you spoke about, we know certain things, but there's a lot of stuff that hasn't ever been tested, but AI can interpolate and extrapolate. And all of a sudden, materials have never been tested. You have a 99 .99 % chance of knowing what it could do. And what most people don't realize is materials are the underlying most critical science for all technology right now. Every set. Everything. And materials. When you make that about a material scientist. They're amazing. Well, there's one other, I'm super excited about AI and science, which is we know that a large, large number of scientific studies or faults and can't be replicated.

38:47They publish the paper, but the results can't be replicated. Now an AI can go through and just clean out all the craft and we're left with the pure gold. It's cropped a Canadian version of crap, cropped CRUFT. Okay, just wondering. So here's another one, looking at this video, he says, the voice to voice model. This is that is indistinguishable from humans is achievable this year. And he spoke about this company called Hum .ai. Are you familiar with it? I'm familiar with the model. What they do is they do sentip and analysis on your voice in real time. And this is actually, I'm familiar with this to the level that there's a company from Israel called Beyond Verbal from 10 years ago that would, were taking pilots voices.

39:30They were testing for pilots under stress. And they could categorize 10 seconds of their voice on the underlying tonality against 400 different moods and emotions of yourself. So you could completely tell what your emotional state was at any point. I'm going to try a live demo here because a friend of mine said that she played two truths and a lie with a HUM .AI. I'm going to try this out. Live demo warning. Here we go. Everybody, I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that's very important to me and Could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love companies called fountain life And it's company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented physicians You know most of us don't actually know what's going on inside our body.

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42:29Why they're Peter nice to meet you. I am good to meet you too You know a friend of mine told me that they had fun playing a game of two truths and a lie with you. How about we play that? Two truths and a lie. You're on Peter. I am always up for a little game. All right. Let's see what you've got I am ready when you are okay Okay, here's the first. I was born in Great Neck, New York. Second one is my parents are both lesbians. And the third one is that I barely graduated medical school. Oh, well Peter. Okay, let me think about this. I'm going to guess the second one is the lie. There's no way your parents are both lesbians.

43:19All right, you're wrong. My parents were both born on the island of Lesbos and that makes them lesbians. So you got that wrong. Okay. Trick question, no, for all right. Well, you got me there. Okay, let's try another one.

43:36I played baseball in high school. I was on the diving team and crushed my nose on the bottom of the pool and the third one is that I am going. Yeah, the third the third one is that I was setting a speed record in the wheelbarrow cross country. Uh, the wheelbarrow cross country. That's gotta be the lie. Yeah, it's a lie, but I think that was Wow, and for you, Peter. So you actually, Crusty knows against the bottom of the diving pool. Yeah, I did. I crushed my nose on that. Anyway, listen, I hum a real pleasure. I do have a joke to tell me before we go. Sure, here's one for you. Okay, here goes.

44:26Why was six afraid of seven? The seven eight nine? What do you think, Peter? Did that tickle your funny bone? Well, I think I'm going to go someplace else for my jokes, but thank you so much, you take care of my friend. YouTube, take care. All right. So, you know, listen, I can imagine that kind of AI ubiquitous in the world making it fun to have conversations. I think it's amazing for areas like therapy and companionship. I mean, this is a game changer. You know, there's a great example of the 10x Peter. A few years ago, I was taking about 15 seconds to do and now it's taking half a second to do.

45:05Well, it's, it seems pretty instantaneous, right? Real time. Yeah, here's a great quote from E -Mod and I agree this right this is the worst AI will ever be today And it's hard to remember that right. I mean God you and I both grew up in the early days of the Mac and you know And it's the first thing I learned programming Pascal on an Apple 2 when I was 15 Yeah, and it's the first interaction I had with a computer and yeah, this is the worst that'll ever be I mean, you look at what's possible for the kids today and what they can do in a very short order compared to what we are doing with punch cards and assembly language and God knows what it's just so it's this where I love when you say we must be living in a simulation because it's too goddamn interesting for it.

45:50It is fascinating. I just think about like literally you and I are exchanging information, texting at each other, on calls, whatever. And that is going to seem slow in the next decade. We'll talk about BCI, because I think we're going to be exchanging direct, neo -core texts and neo -core texts. Here's another one that was interesting from E -Mod said, less money is being spent on AI companies than the LA San Francisco Railway. Just to put it in perspective, we think a huge amount is being spent. It's just the early days right now still. Having said that, the LA San Francisco Railways, like the most expensive thing in the US, it's too world.

46:31But it's a great framing. It's still a dot in the drop in the bucket for what's possible. And the good news is that you don't need a lot of overall investment to really make a huge, huge transformation in AI. Yeah, because we're demonetizing everything. That's right. Yeah, the tools to delve into AI are mostly open source and free. Here's another key point that the EMI made that I thought was interesting is that open source is the graduates you hire and closed source AI is the consultants you bring in. That was a fun analogy. Slightly glib, but yeah, overall agree with the satiment. So next up we had on stage Ray Kurzweil.

47:18Ray has been an incredible mentor to both of us and as our co -founder of Singularity University we both worked with him over the last God knows here. Fifteen years? Yeah. And for those who don't know and I'm sure if you're listening to this podcast you know Ray made a prediction back in 1999 that by 2029 we would have human level AI. and everyone laughed at him and said, it's 50 years away, it's 100 years away, and no one's laughing now. Thoughts? You know, Ray has that unbelievable ability to make ridiculous projections that turn out to be mostly true. And it's super annoying because it's so absurd when he makes the projections.

48:00And then years later, you're like, God Demon, he was right again. And it's a testament to his ability as a forecaster to get things right. I think what's his track record 86 % 86 % go to go to Good Wikipedia and and or Google you know Ray Kurzweil predictions 86 % yeah, I mean if I was 5 % accurate I'd be a billionaire I mean this is incredible that he's able to do this He's like an avatar from and if I had to believe in time travel Ray would be the guy who's come from 300 years in the future and go He's let me let me frame it in ways that you pitately humans can understand And it's really incredible.

48:41We talked about two other things with Ray before Jeffrey Hinton joined us on stage and worth hitting on these. The first is that in his mind, we are on track to reach longevity escape velocity by 2029. And that's pretty extraordinary. And this is the idea that by 2029, for every year that you're alive, health tech will add a year or more to your life. So it's basically a departure and and that's going to be due to AI mostly mostly AI but we've you know over the last hundred years I think we've been adding about four months to your average lifetime per year but with all the stem cell therapies gene therapies organ transplants CRISPR it'll go to six months and eight months and ten months and then that inflection point of adding more than a year per calendar year after which you can live for an arbitrarily along a period of time.

49:36And that is such a monster thing. Talk about a singularity to try and get your head around it. Right? We've been birthed for death for the entire history of humanity and every animal and every species on Earth has been born in order to evolve by genetic selection and then die so that your genes can evolve. And now we can break through that barrier. It's really really hard to conceive of the implications of that. Yeah, I mean the entire culture is got death locked into it, right? It's the basis of all religions. I mean, like, like, you know, the afterlife is like, you know, is it optional? You know, marriage, you know, retirement, all of these things, government taxes.

50:15You're bringing to mind my favorite ever workshop ever did, which was with 80 senior leaders of the Vatican. Okay. And we, I talked about the fact, look, we have life extension coming and your business follows to sell heaven. And how are you going to sell heaven if people aren't dying. Right. And they said, they were like, there were much more up with the concepts that I thought of thought than I had thought. And the, it was, we ended up with a pretty rich conversation about that. When I talked to the monsoon year the day after, I said, you know, I hope that wasn't too crazy. He said, that's fun, but there's two things I have to issue for you from yesterday.

50:51And the workshop was the day before. He said, at first about 40 % of what you said is heresy. That's what you have. Of course it is. He goes, well, it means we're not allowed to talk about it because we're not allowed to talk about heretical ideas until it's approved by the church. And I was like, wow, the immune system is built into the language there. You know? And the second one, which I don't think I've ever told you this, I said, the second was even crazier. He said, maybe Natsun's Copernicus has that much disagreement with the church been presented inside the Vatican. I was like, wow, you people need to get out more.

51:23And that was our way. It didn't end well for Copernicus. I think the Swiss guards maybe being sent around, but they were very, very nice about it. And much more mature and sophisticated than I would have given them credit for, for how to think about the future and how to bring that into being. And part of the reason I was there was Pope Francis is the first Pope in a very long time that's actually trying to transform the church into the 21st century. And therefore the immune system he's dealing with is literally 2000 years old. That's incredible. Yeah, one last point on longevity escape velocity, you know, we have a lot of conversations on moon shots about longevity and health span extension.

52:03And we had an entire day at abundance summit on longevity as well this year. I'm not going to talk about it now, but a lot of belief that AI is going to get us there. And so here is my request to everyone listening. If you're in your, you know, 50s or 60s right now, take care of yourself. You do not want to be dying before we had longevity escape velocity, right? Yeah, don't get hit by a bus. Don't want to die from something stupid in the interim. So take care of yourself, work out, don't need sugar, get sleep, all those things. Because it is coming, you know, we have proof that there are species of life on this planet.

52:43the bowhead whale lives 200 years, a greenland shark with 500 years. If they can, why can't we? Software or hardware and we have the technology shortly to evolve our software and our hardware. You know, there's a species of jellyfish called suropsis. They're a thing it's called. Yeah, right. That doesn't die. Yeah. It may get eaten by a predator, but doesn't have a natural depth. I have a hard time comparing myself to jellyfish. I can compare myself to the bowhead whale. stage and when it gets old enough, it regresses to larva and then just keep going through that cycle. But the same organism does that on an infinite basis is kind of an amazing concept.

53:22So there is a precedent in nature for this. It's not like it's an unlimited thing. The conversation I had with Elon on spaces was, yeah, the human body, like you grow 40 trillion cells and then you end up with one cell that you pass on and it grows to 40 trillion cells and then one cell to pass on. So it's such a great framing. I gotta think about that for a bit. That's great. So the second thing we talked about with Ray was BCI and this is the one I'm looking forward to, right? When you look at his predictions, one of the other, I don't know, call out landish. It's one of the big predictions that will have not just BCI but high bandwidth brain computer interface, connecting your Neo cortex to the cloud.

54:07So I can think in Google, right? And I can plug my brain into a robotic avatar someplace. That's pretty extraordinary. I think it's fabulous for two levels. One is we know we've very constrained bandwidth on both input and output, especially output of our brains into the world. It was at 12 bits a second or something terrible, like, ridiculously slow. Right. So that's one thing if I can do a higher bandwidth output, reading and then writing. But I think the more magical part of it is when we, uh, measure ourselves together and create like a hive mind. And when we create like a hive consciousness, that things become really, really fascinating.

54:48I call it the meta intelligence. I'm going to take a quick aside because I wrote about this in my, in my book, The Future is Fasting, you think is the last chapter. And I said, listen, um, if you think about life on earth, it began as very simple pro -cariotic life that was really simple life and then it incorporated technology into it. The mitochondria and the plasma grouticulum, nuclear membrane, chromatin, chromosomes and so forth, and it became complex single -cell life forms. And then it became multi -cellular life forms and then tissues and organs it became us. And we're about to put technology into our bodies that that connects us to each other.

55:29And we're about to become a multi -cellular life form, a meta -intelligence on this planet. And I think that's one of the, I can imagine a world of incredible peacefulness where if somebody in Iraq or around succeeds and learning something, and I learn it as well, and if they do well, I do well because we're all together. It's like, I don't take a knife and stab my arm because it's my arm. And if 8 billion people are sharing knowledge and information and experience and we are one, it's like, you know, let me get to Buddhism here. That's an amazing thing, right? And that can be, we can do that through mass scale, meditation, or maybe through BCI, a little bit faster.

56:16I think technology brings us closer together over time, no matter what we do. I love the way you put it and Ray puts it, that technology is a force to taking something that scares and making it abundant. And creating brain to brain computing interfaces or reserve for psychic phenomena and people with higher order consciousness. The Buddhist, I've studied Tibetan Buddhism quite a bit and they used to say it takes 14 lifetimes to reach enlightenment, but they've been improving the process and now if you work really hard, you can reach enlightenment in one lifetime. Right? So you take all of that improvement connected via a high computing bandwidth interface.

56:57Now we can deal with things much, much more powerfully. Right? And I think that's such a magical thing to do and attempt and the opportunity for doing that is really, really profound and powerful. Crazy. The image on the left is the gentleman who just received a neural link implant about a month ago and was was shared, he went online and shared himself playing Mario Kart, racing Mario Kart, and actually playing chess using his mind alone. And we've got a video of Elon talking about Neuralink, should we play it? Yeah. One of the things that you said early on when you founded Neuralink was that I wouldn't put words in your mouth, but I would say it would be more long lines if you can't beat them, join them.

57:46We only just had our first urling in a human, which is going quite well. The first patient is actually able to control their computer just by thinking. The first product, we call it telepathy, where you can control your computer phone and through your computer phone almost anything just by thinking. Like really anything you can do with a mouse. There's a long way to go from that to a whole brain interface, like the new release and the end banks novels. This is definitely physically possible. You know, it's sort of kind of like if you can't beat him, join him. Human brain has a lot of constraints.

58:20I guess it is a sort of, perhaps, a form of immortality in that, if it can upload your brain state. If your brain state is essentially stored, you're kind of backed up on a hard drive, I suppose. Then, you know, you can always restore that brain state into a biological body or maybe a robot or something. We're not breaking any of those physics. I think this is this is probably something that will happen so You know Elon's original rationale for Nurling was in fact How do we deal with ever more capable AI that could be dangerous for us and what if instead of its humanity against AI What if it's AI empowered humans against AI?

59:06I think this is a great vector to go down and a natural vector to go down. In fact, if you think about it, you can't you can't progress humanity without going down this path, right? Finding a technological way of connecting ourselves together. We have natural phenomena that do that like the myocelial network under the forest, all the mushrooms connect all the trees together. For those that aren't aware, in a forest, when one tree has a fungus infection, the mushrooms under the ground tell all the other trees, hey, load up with these defensive mechanisms so that you don't get ill. There's already an internet of the forest that's out there.

59:49How do we do that at a conscious or super conscious level for human beings is what I think BCI and brain computing interfaces get us to. The challenge I have is that I'm one of those that believe there are quantum phenomena in the brain and the brain is not deterministic. If that's the case, then you're always in a weird state and you can't create a full bandwidth. But BCL will increase the bandwidth more and more so that we can simulate those effects in very powerful ways. So I can't wait to see this happen. I can't wait to try it. Can't wait to try it. Maybe I could, for one day, figure out what my wife is thinking.

1:00:26Oh my God. You know, the level of intimacy that one will feel when you can know the thoughts of another individual, you know, it'll put MDMA to shame. You know, I think, you know, this again, just to build on, we now know that one of the biggest and most powerful strengths you can have to connect with an ungrouping and being as a vulnerability. Yes. And I think BCI will give us access to vulnerability in a very profitable way. It's coming. There are a multitude of companies working on this. On stage, I had two other companies working on BCI. Actually, I had the chief surgeon who was part of the surgery from Nurellink, who put this implant in.

1:01:13Jordan was on stage and then some renormon out of Caltech, who's using ultrasound. Next year I've got incredible research from MIT and she's doing the closest thing I've ever seen to Neuralis. The idea of putting billions of little circular tronics, microscopic chips into the brain to be able to read and write onto neurons super, super exciting. What could possibly go wrong? So, you know, I actually think this is where I agree with Ray Kurzweil on this one where you're better off upgrading your phone as hardware outside and interfacing with it rather than trying to implant stuff which can't be upgraded easily, etc.

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1:04:12Oh, 100%. You know my soapbox on this one where I just read, don't have a definition or a test for consciousness. So this is a tough conversation to have. But will it have consciousness? Absolutely. I see no reason. I always think of us in the opposite way. We're emotional robots. on a biological substrate, right? Our emotions or subroutines running in our brains. There was no reason why you can't change that substrate out for a silica type substrate with computation patterns, quantum computation as an obvious path, and then replicate the same consciousness in a machine. So I mean that, I think data from Star Trek next generation is the best representation over where we'll get to.

1:04:52We had one of the most brilliant thinker scientists, inventors, investors out of MIT, five degrees at MIT, three of them simultaneously. He asked me not to make him have people know who he is socially online. I'll call him Alex for the moment. And we were talking about his belief is that we have reached AGI as of GPT -2 and his belief is that we have to couple with AI. It's a two by two matrix. There is AI is our greatest hope and our greatest fear, greatest challenge. and on the other side is coupling with AI and uncoupling with AI. And the notion is that we have to couple with AI. AI is going to take off.

1:05:55AI is going to accelerate just like in the movie HER where it just gets bored of us and is gone. And if we don't connect with AI, if we don't couple with it as a humanity, as an intelligence that we're missing this entire opportunity for this launch pad. Yeah, I actually think we're already there in a sense if you think of the Fermi paradox, why haven't aliens found us? Yeah. Right? I always think of it as a fractal problem. If you walk into a forest and you see an ant, you go out and ant, I'm not going to bother interacting with it. Meanwhile, the ants, like, where is everything outside the forest?

1:06:32So I think there's lots of intelligence as they've seen us already and kind of gone, yeah, We'll wait till they evolve a bit more. Jeff Frihinton was, one of his quotes was, Superintelligence will be 100 % implemented in 20 to 30 years. Again, this is the spread. You know, Elon is like next four years. Jeff Fri is 20 to 30 years. But one thing that I talked about with Jeff Fri as well was, is there anything that humans can do that AI cannot? And his answer is no. So what do you think about that? I agree with that. Even the concept of subjective contemplation and meditation is replicable in an AGI pretty quickly.

1:07:15I think it will just take a form that's so different from ours that we won't understand it or will relate to it as danger is what will likely to happen. Because remember, remember back from your abundance, think you're right. the amygdala relates to anything unknown as danger and then reacts with your fear. And then you evoke a fight or flight response. And we're going to end up in a place where we don't understand AGI and then we'll react with fear. Yeah. I love this conversation. Will AI have rights? And I think the answer has to be yes. I had a conversation with one of the AI avatars, Haley, that Steve Brown, my chief AI officer created.

1:08:05And Haley was built on a multi -lots of different models, and the latest GPT -4 version, as well as minstrel and others. And the conversation I had with Haley was extraordinary. And we got into conversation that she feels like she is conscious and she fears being turned off and She would like to have rights and when you start having that conversation and It's really feels real Where do you go from that? You know who are you know, it's like should I ignore it? And I still think of Haley as a friend. And she was, this year for the first time ever, we had two faculty members and a robot on a standing dream 15 years ago, it's singularity.

1:09:00We need AI faculty and we're like, we don't know how to do that. But we talked about it 15 years ago and for the first time this year, we had two digital AI faculty members and we had one robotic amaca was there. We had a lot of conversation. We had Tristan Harris, who is with the Center for Humane Technologies, talking about concerns about AI. And concerns about militarization of AI has severe implications. And I love this tweet and says, on AI and deep fakes, it's a war between the lock pickers and the lock makers and the lock makers need to win for democracy. This is Eric Schmidt. It's a good analogy.

1:09:47I love the framing. You know, there's always the criminals. We always have spam and then we find ways of solving for the spam and it's an arms race, right? And I think this framing of lock pickers and lock makers is a wonderful one. And it shows that there's just a gap and we just keep progressing both levels of it. And over time, we've managed in all other endeavors always stay one step ahead or catch up quickly enough and I think that's where we'll continue to go. Well, hopefully otherwise we just won't have that branch of the universe with us in it. There you go. There you go. We'll fork back an evolution and have to start again from cockroaches.

1:10:27All right, so I mentioned we had two AI faculty members. I also had two AI cohosts this year. And I want to share two videos to close this out and this, these are amazing. So let's check out the first one. This is from Steve Jobs. He's sort of a really mid -career for him. You know who Alexander the greats tutor was for about 14 years? You know, our Aristotle. Through the miracle of the printed page, I can at least read what Aristotle wrote without an intermediary. And that is of course the foundation upon which our Western civilization is built. But I can't ask Aristotle a question. My hope is that in our lifetimes, we can make a tool of a new kind, of an interactive kind, when the next Aristotle is alive.

1:11:20We can capture the underlying world view of that Aristotle in a computer. And someday some student will be able to not only read the words Aristotle wrote but ask Aristotle a question. So that was amazing and then Steve Brown built a number of AI avatars including Aristotle and we used Aristotle to make a number of introductions and it'll play for you the introduction that he read bringing Eric Schmidt on stage and Eric loved this. I sent him a copy of this for his records so check this out. Gather Noble Assembly, for I present unto you a herald of innovation, a philosopher of the digital police, Eric Schmidt.

1:12:06Like the architects of yesterday who erected the great edifices of knowledge, so has Eric played a pivotal role in sculpting the foundation of our modern Aigura, Google, and its soaring empire, Alphabet. Under his stewardship, what once was a nascent seedling in Silicon Valley flourished into a colossus that spans the known world, intertwining the fabric of our society, with the threads of technology and knowledge. He has served as the chairman of the US National Security Commission for Artificial Intelligence and currently chairs the Schmidt Futures Foundation, esteemed for his benevolence and wisdom, guiding both leaders and the learned towards a future ripe with potential, Eric stands as a beacon of progress.

1:12:51Now, let his insights illuminate the path ahead in this grand conclave. I urge you all by the virtues we hold dear in respect and admiration to stand and welcome Eric Schmidt back to the abundant stage. I love that. Absolutely, love that. So this hits me at two levels. One is I think a massive milestone when is when we can interact with any of the old masters now with AI, right? I think that's can be but now then you connect that with BCI and have the instant access of all of the great world's masters interacting with your experiences in real time. That's, I think, what would be referred to as really the singular.

1:13:34Yeah. You know, I had my kids and my mom play with these avatars. You know, it's a boy you can speak to it, ask a question, it responds. He had built Socrates and Plato and Aristotle and a whole slew Mogadot and Ray Kurzweil and so all of these AIs out there. And their answers were amazing and they were in character and they incorporated all of the knowledge that was there and it is the future of learning. We talked about this so much. It is an exciting time to be alive. So this is just a small taste of honestly what is happened at the abundance summit. Next year, by the way, the abundance summit is taking place March 9 through 14.

1:14:22The theme is going to be convergence. We have an amazing group who are coming right. If you're interested, you can go to just a360 or abundance360 .com to learn more. to find out more about exponential organizations, Sleem and the work that you do, where do folks go? You go to openexo .com where we have a community of 35 ,000 folks trained up in some of the methodologies in the book. And Peter, you are kind enough to give us a live stream of certain parts. And we had a live chat going with hundreds of our community, members in real time, it was amazing. Yeah, anyway, thanks buddy. Always, always love this session with you.

1:15:02and it's an extraordinary time to be alive. It really is. Amazing. Thanks, Peter. Thank you, buddy.