This Week in AI: NVIDIA’s Most Powerful Chip, Robotics Reach a New Milestone & AGI by 2026 w/ Salim Ismail, Emad Mostaque & Eric Pulier | EP #202

27:33I remember we had a conversation with the CEO and CTO at All Nippon Airways and they wanted to do an XPRIZE and their first question was can we do something on teleportation? And I was like well maybe for subatomic particle we could talk about that but not for humans. And what came out of this was this idea of can you teleport your intentions, your sensorium and your actions. And I know a number of the people when Dave Blund and I were visiting actually 1X Technologies that makes the Neo Gamma robot, there were a few people there wearing Avatar XPRIZE t-shirts which was a lot of fun. Next up here is Unitree.

28:21This is Unitree. This This is the number one robotics manufacturer on the planet. They're estimated to have about a 40 % share of the Chinese marketplace. And they're valued, they're about to go public, valued at an IPO price of$7 billion. Selim? A kickboxing robot. I'm glad it doesn't have extra arms. A kickboxing robot. What could go wrong? I mean, you know, I'm struggling with this. absolutely yet to make the leap. We cannot get a Roomba to work. We spend all our time moving the furniture for the Roomba. Yeah, but a Roomba is not running GPT-5. I understand that. I understand that. But there's so many edge cases.

29:02Look how hard it's taken us 20 years just to get autonomous driving up to par, right? There are a million more edge cases in the home changing the vacuum. Dude, this is going to be running. And you guys think it's just going to happen without blinking. And I think there's a ton of training that has to take place. I just don't see it. And maybe this is my lack of imagination, I've said this before, but you're going to find the robot over at your neighbors sucking down the Tesla power and they're going to be mad.

29:32I'm sorry. We have this debate every single time. These are going to be running the most advanced models. They have the ability, they're multimodal, they can understand what they're seeing, what you're asking it to do, it's communicating to you. not Knowing what to do it. I mean, I don't know Imad break the tire just get the Roomba to work And then let's see step forward from there. That's all I put the proper AI in the Roomba I think this is the thing yes, is your VCR still flash 12? To shade to shade It's possible. I'm just way behind the times and I have a massive lack of imagination But I'm watching the history here, and it's not clear to me how we handle all those millions of edge cases Well, let's talk about Unitree a second because it's an incredible company.

30:20Last week we learned that you could buy their H1 robot in Walmart. Now it's for sale for about$20 ,000. That's pretty extraordinary. And this, their H2 is being priced at$90 ,000, 31 degrees of freedom, full AI enabled speech so you can actually ask it to do something and it's likely to do it. And they are estimated to get 50 % of the global robot marketplace. So... Unitry is an amazing company, especially because the H1 isn't actually very good technology. But what they've done is they've done amazing models and they open sourced it so that everyone could take it and it can do wall flips. It can do ninja moves.

31:11it can do everything because the whole innovation ecosystem built around it because they hit the right price point. The H2 is$90 ,000, but the R1 is$6 ,000, the lowest-end model, which can have all of the learning here. It's not as smooth, but again, I think that's that innovation explosion that occurs, and the edge cases are handled in the same way that chat GPT or self-driving edge cases are done. You have the inputs of what the robot sees and all the sensorial elements here, and then you apply a million chips to it. Yes. To crunch it, crunch it, crunch it. And every time a robot sees and learns something, all the robots understand it as well.

31:49Yeah, Unitry actually have a demo of this where it's learning like Kendo and one robot learns it and then all the other robots do it. It's not creepy at all. Just like the fact that they modeled this on the iRobot robot. Yes. What does Will Smith think about this? The face is from iRobot. Eric, you and I the other night I went and saw a robot fight. I thought that was fantastic. We went to the ultimate robot fighting championships and cage fighting of robots, which I'm sure everybody, including Salim, is going to love. But I thought it was fantastic. And I was in Paris for the announcement of the Olympics that said we're going to do e-sports as Olympic sports.

32:28And what they meant by that is not just the twitchy thumb e-sports, but the virtual sports that you move your body or that you can play different types of competitions. One of the things that we've been discussing is humanoid robot fighting, where you have different groups competing from different countries to make the coolest robots that obviously have very interesting gladiator-style combat. You just want Gundam, don't you? This year at the Abundance 360 Summit in March, we're going to have at least four of the humanoid robot companies there. I want everybody to touch, feel, place an order for them if you want.

33:01I've got an order on a Neo Gamma 1X technologies robot. Do the dishes, fold the clothing, all of that. But these robots are coming fast. And I think Elon has made the statement that 80 % of Tesla's future revenues are going to come from sales of the optimists. And here's a quote that came from his earnings call. He says, it won't even seem like a robot. it'll seem like a human in a robot suit. It will seem so real that you need to poke it to tell that it's a robot." And he's speaking about Optimus v3, which he's going to be releasing at the end of Q1 of 2026. So super excited about that. And this is, I think, an important point that the future of work...

33:54So a lot of people are coming out very clearly and saying, hey, no more work. AI and robots will replace all jobs. Working will be optional.

34:38One of the things that's important, this goes back to the work that we did at Singularity, that the jobs that these robots will take to a large degree are the jobs that are dull and dangerous and dirty. So, you want to add anything on that? Well, I think that's where you'll see the first massive use cases for these is the work that human beings aren't good at or it's too dangerous or it's too chemically toxic environments, for example, et cetera. I think that's where they'll really shine. But I think we'll see them use first in very specific niche use cases where it's very clear to have bounded environments and dangerous environments.

35:17Over time, it'll make sense to have it in the home, et cetera, et cetera. I just think it's going to take a lot longer than people think to get into the home and have to be folding your laundry. Yeah, well, I think it's there now. And I think we'll see. It's just not evenly distributed. I want to hit three stories from Amazon here. The first one is that Amazon robot fleet has grown 66-fold in the last decade, which is pretty extraordinary. Huge investments. The second related story here is that Amazon is expected to replace 600 ,000 workers with additional robots by 2023. And the third story is that Amazon's on the rise in the delivery game.

36:04They are surpassing FedEx, UPS, and about to surpass the U.S. Post Office, which by the way, personally, I wish we would put the U.S. Post Office out of our misery. I mean, honestly, the cost of it, it's a losing proposition. I don't know why it isn't commercialized. Thoughts on that? I think they're going to join together and unionize these robots. Well, another thing that happened at Amazon today was they announced an AR headset that Amazon has. So the driver is going to be wearing these glasses as they go and deliver things so that it captures the delivery and process and it helps you avoid any obstacles.

36:53I think what's really going on is that those glasses the drivers are wearing are helping create the data sets to train the delivery robots to displace the drivers. Yeah, I think that's a reasonable assumption. I mean, the way that AI will enter the workforce is it will scan every email and Word document and thing you've created and create a virtual replica of you. And then you can Zoom call it and do everything. They won't even notice that you're gone in the workforce. And the robotics is the same as, again, you're training up the replacements. And this is a big concern because, ultimately, a lot of human jobs, again, approximate being a machine.

37:27We talk about AGI and all this stuff in terms of brand-new discoveries, and that's all amazing. but most of the economy is being a cook, not a chef. Not coming up with the recipes, but just executing on it. And okay, you might make the same occasional mistake. That's why you have a human actually interfere every so often, just like a Waymo. It can obviously drive better than a human right now, but you've still got a human looking at it remotely, and I think that's probably how you see the first integration, one human to ten robots, then a hundred robots, and then six hundred and six hundred. Yeah, that's what we have right now in a lot of the drone delivery fleets like Wing.

38:02and zip line. There's a room full of humans that are there just in case. So let me give the two ends of the spectrum here. One end of the spectrum is we better get to UBI super fast because there will be no human work left. That's the pessimistic view. The problem is from a policy perspective to go from a tax union labor employment construct to that is such a huge leap. We have no confidence in public sector in getting us there. That's one challenge around that. On the other side of the equation, there's enormous optimism because we end up doing other types of work. You know, you and I talk about this Peter, the highest penetration of robots in the world are in Sweden, South Korea and Germany and the lowest unemployment in the world is Sweden, South Korea and Germany.

38:48Right? And so we then shift human beings to do increased efficiency, design thinking, problem solving, etc. And And every time we've seen a major technology injection into the world, we increase employment. We don't decrease employment. So that's the optimism side. The pessimism side is if it actually does take over in this way. But Imad, you've made that distinction that in the past, capital needed labor and capital does not need labor anymore. And so that's a massive discontinuity that we're going to have to deal with and absorb in the next few decades. It's a big one. When I did a podcast with Ray Dalio, we're discussing this.

39:26The purpose of the Fed and interest rate is you lower interest in order to get money flowing in so that companies can buy equipment and hire workers. But what happens if when you get access to low dollars, you buy more AI and more robots? Yeah, I think the problem that is being articulated here is that there is no obvious solution on the optimistic or pessimistic side. On the pessimistic side, UBI and how that would work is really not well articulated. And on the optimistic side, even the most optimistic folks, which I think we probably count as that, believe that there's going to be a time period where we're not ready.

40:08It's happening too fast for us to know what to do with these people. Let me ask you your opinion of that time period. So I think AI is going to give us this incredibly hopeful, optimistic, and abundant future a decade out or thereabouts. My concern is the three-day year time period during instabilities from countries not understanding how to deal with the rate of change, people being so attached to their jobs that they are losing their identity. What do you think about that stability and that time period? Imad? Yeah, so I wrote a book about this, The Last Economy. And I'm like, it's been a thousand days since ChatGPT came out.

40:51Yeah. So I put a thousand days from now, human cognitive labor is negative in value. You're the dumbest person on the team. So let's talk about that one second. It's a really important point you make. And I want people to understand it. the idea that human labor and cognitive capacity is negative in value. Can you just double click on that for me? If you're on a team and everyone's a genius that can think and work around the clock and you can't because you're human and you can't access infinite numbers of GPUs, then you are the dumbest person on the team. You drag down the whole team in terms of its coordination.

41:27And now AI can think longer and it can perform tasks proactively. Within three years most of these cognitive value-add jobs can be replaced what they will be like, you know the San Francisco Metro People are all safe in their jobs as public sector that doesn't require efficiency But the private sector it can be replaced and over the following years following that they will be replaced because again It's the private sector the analogy also on autonomous cars if they're autonomous cars driving and you're a human driver you're actually reducing the safety of the roads. And doctors with diagnosis.

42:00Why would you allow a doctor to make a diagnosis? Oh my god, so here are the numbers, right? And I speak about this all the time. There was a study done out of Stanford and Harvard that looked at diagnostic accuracy and a human doctor by themselves on this particular study was getting 74 % accuracy. If that human physician used GPT-4, it went from 74 % to 76%. If GPT-4 did the diagnostics without the human in the loop, it was, I think, 92%. The human actually added incredible bias and misinformation into the diagnosis. Yeah, and the latest GPT-5 is probably around about 98 % extrapolating the data of that.

42:47And to be fair, for the poor doctors, how do you track all the conditions, treatments, therapeutics, drugs? You can't. Forget about the poor doctors, what about the poor patients that have to deal with them? We're talking about making it illegal to drive a car and illegal to be a doctor, basically, to diagnose. Well, it's going to be malpractice to diagnose without AI doing the diagnosis on its own. It should be, but then you've got the immune system response, right? A couple of years ago, Texas banned telemedicine because surely you have to go to the doctor in person there for every little spot on your hand.

43:16Well, it's all going to fall apart. We'll have this Luddite revolt that we're seeing today. This idea that I spend eight years postgraduate to get a medical degree, and I'm spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in a medical school, and then I graduate in AI, and by the way, a humanoid robot, is going to be a far better surgeon than any human surgeon. I just wouldn't want to be first, but yeah. I think it's already too late in some ways. For example, if you're a cancer doctor today, there are several hundred cancer research papers published per day, right? You have no hope in reading those.

43:54You'll have an AI read those and say, hey, this applies to these five papers are the ones you should read for the patients you're dealing with. That combination is where we expect to be, like we've seen in chess. The world's best chess players are a human being and a computer. I think there is one interesting upside, though, because even if it's true that this gets better and better for diagnosis. There is something important about biological connection, about human to human connection. And I think it'll bring the craft of being a doctor around the EQ much higher. But are you going to spend 10 years of your life and a million dollars in education fees to get that?

44:33No, but I think you'll probably get a different type of education, knowing how to use the AI to deliver the best possible care. Sure. The best possible care includes the human-to-human connection. Fantastic. Totally agree. It's just the medical schools are going to evaporate. I mean, look, this is a bigger economic disruption than COVID. And it's around the world at the same time, but there's no vaccine for AI. Again, we have to get ahead of it because we know it's coming. And again, when we look at this, people have to be given a positive view of the future to navigate what's coming. I mean, that is one of my one of my pet peeves, one of my rants.

45:14Can I can I can I go on this one? Yeah. So one of my biggest concerns is that we do not have a television program, movie programming that gives our families, our kids, our society a positive vision of the future. Everything is dystopian, killer robots, rogue AIs. And if that's the vision you're seeing of the future, of course, you think the world's going to hell in a handbag. basket. And so we need that. We need to develop the programming that gives people a vision of the future, right? You know, the old adage, without a vision, the people will perish. One of the positive comments we get about the podcast is we're relentlessly optimistic about the future, which is why I think visioneering is so important, because we can craft that future and say, let's envision that radically positive future.

46:02And then, by the way, here's the mechanism to make it happen. And by the way, we have a 30-year track record. It's a no-brainer. Yeah, and people need to have agency. If you feel like you're a victim to all of this and you have no ability to control it, you're going to bury your head under the pillow. But, you know, we want to say no, that's not the case. That's why we're here at Visioneering. That's what we all believe in, that the best way to predict the future is to create it yourself. Let's create that positive vision of the future that we so dearly desire. I think that also, you know, you look at visioneering and everything.

46:34Core team is very easy to build. Extended team is so hard. This is the most fantastic time ever because you've got digital and physical buddies to allow you to have such a massive leverage to the world. And again, as you said, you need to have the right mindset to do that though. Let's jump into the end point of this, which is the economy and the implications of this. So, I think to put the amount of spend in perspective, it's important to realize that the current AI boom is still relatively small as compared to past AI tech expenditures. So here we are, that red line at the far right is about a 1 % spend of the US GDP for our current AI investments.

47:16It compares to the US and railroads was at 3.5 % of the GDP at the time. electrification was 2 % and even the internet build out and telecom was at 1.5%. So it's not out of whack. We're in, you know, we've talked about this. We're in a war footing right now, like it for good reasons or not. We're in a war footing against China. I'd rather be in a war footing against dystopian uses of AI. But the good news is that we've gone from oil to silicon as that major foundation for the future which is fantastic. Yeah this is an interesting chart it's an eye chart but let me just call it out you can see everything at the far left starts at a zero percent and this is the price changes in the US since 2000 over the last 25 years and what we see is on the bottom on the bottom of this on the far right in the bottom that you know televisions have demonetized by 96 percent cell phones are down 41 percent clothing at 1 % increase new cars at 25 % increase but then we see above we see hospital services at 256 % increase right which is insane given what we just said about AI and robots coming in it should be demonetizing that college tuition 187 % increase and we've talked about this I think colleges are in deep trouble super deep trouble right it's better for you to go become an electrician a plumber you know a welder yeah comments on this yeah well it looks it looks like this stuff's getting more expensive and you look at the the categories it's the stuff that actually matters that's getting more expensive right to the average person food you know cars housing and it's not actually getting more expensive it's that the dollar is being degraded yes and and it's it's illusion it's it's a boiling the frog analogy right and sneaking up on everybody so speak about that a little bit more please.

49:14Well basically what's happening is that we we think that everybody who gets in office starts to make a lot of noise about balancing the budget and we're gonna cut spending etc even Doge came in and said we're gonna cut trillions of dollars it's starting to dawn on everybody that that's just not true not now but ever that this is a unique time in history there is so much debt and so much interest on the debt that there's only one way to get out of it, not a debate of maybe we do this, maybe we do that. One answer is to print more money. And so what they're going to do, and we know this is going to happen in 2026, is the interest rates are going to come down.

49:51It's going to have an illusion again of things looking good, stocks will go up, and they're going to print enormous amounts of money. And the buying power of a dollar is going to continue to drop. And people are going to wake up one day thinking they have money, but they can't buy anything. Here are the numbers. The U.S. debt has reached$38 trillion at an all-time high. Just for fun, that$38 trillion is equivalent to the GDP of China, India, Japan, Germany, and the U.K. combined. Can I rant on this for a second? You can definitely rant about it. So, you know, we floated off the gold standard in the 70s.

50:28And ever since then, we've been printing more money to keep pace. And there's a fundamental structural problem here is when they floated off the gold standard, they did not realize that technology was deflationary. Jeff Booth wrote this book called The Price of Tomorrow where he sees that for the last 50 years, every dollar increase in global GDP has come with a$4 increase in global debt. So we're borrowing from the future to 4x to 1 to fund the GDP increases of today. That's obviously not sustainable. At some point, it's going to come crashing down. A good metaphor for this is let's say I borrow ten million dollars to build a TV factory and I plan to sell those for a thousand dollars each Well a year later.

51:10I can only sell those for five hundred dollars a year later I can only sell those for two hundred and fifty dollars. I'm never paying about the two hundred and ten million dollars So I just have to print more money on an ongoing basis. This is why Bitcoin is powerful The reason it's so interesting is that it gives you money velocity without debt And there's a there's a illusion right when you own a house that's worth a million dollars when you buy it, and five, ten years later, it's worth$2 million. You go, oh my God, I made money. Our house is now worth a lot more. In reality, it's not. Exactly.

51:41It's not only not worth more. If you had denominated mentally in Bitcoin or gold, you would actually be able to use less Bitcoin and less gold to buy that house, but an enormous amount of more dollars. But most people don't understand that. It's inflation costing your house price to go up. That's right. And so if you take this as a natural trend, it's not that someday this will blow up. It's already blown up. There is, as I said, it's not a question of what's going to happen now. That green curve looks startlingly like the beginning with exponential. And it's a bad exponential. And it's about to go higher.

52:21Let's talk about the fact that we're about to make the cost of labor and intelligence effectively zero. And when we divide by zero, the GDP goes towards infinity. What's the implication of that? It's irrelevant because GDP is not a great measure of the future. If I create a best cancer-saving device, GDP drops. Stan Kuznitz, the author of GDP, came up with this. it's the worst thing to measure the economy and actually social, please don't use it. I think this is a super interesting thing here because basically the economy is running out of all its room at the same time as that exponential change.

53:01And that feels like a bit of a coincidence, but I don't really think it is because the solution to this is also the technology. We don't want debt-fueled money and a debt-fueled future. What you want is real productive output but that impacts humans by guiding this technology appropriately? And this is a defining question of our time. We've developed the most impressive, powerful technologies of the future. Do we use it for abundance or do we use it for competition, positive sum or negative sum? Great point. Eric, let me ask you to talk about this. Central banks now hold more gold than U.S. treasuries.

53:33Yeah, so you have to ask yourself, what do they know? Why, right? This is the first time in a long, long time, decades, that they're holding more gold. and every single central bank on the entire planet will buy all the gold that they can find. So this is not stopping, right? And so the reason is because they don't want to be beholden to the dollar, and there's two reasons for that. One is obviously they believe it's going to continue to be printed and continue to be debased, and the other is whether you are in favor of Russia, I don't know who is, or Ukraine in that war, what happened was the United States took the global reserve currency, which is supposed to be apolitical, and said, we're going to put massive sanctions on Russia.

54:18Now, that might sound like a good thing. You're trying to be punitive, and you're trying to rein in a rogue state. But the truth is, everyone in the world is dependent on this dollar and suddenly wakes up and says, wait a minute. They can pull the rug out from under me. Yeah, they can do that to them. Who knows who's going to be in the White House tomorrow? Who knows what predilections they'll have? they might not like me for whatever reason. So now we have to get off the dollar. Where do you go if you get off the dollar? You're not going to the peso, you're going to gold. Yeah, or bitcoin. Most of my assets are in bitcoin, which is doing well today.

54:50All right, let's talk about a last topic to cap it off. Something that you might have heard of. It's kind of small. It's called quantum technologies. So interestingly enough, today we saw Trump announcing he wants to put money into a few quantum firms. In particular, he's looking at investments into INQ, Regetti, D-Wave, Shervin Peshavar, who's here and I took D-Wave public a few years ago, which had an 8 ,000 % return, which is extraordinary through our SPAC. And today on the news that they're considering this it's gone up these stocks have gone up 10 to 15 percent these technologies are the infrastructure of the future and again governments run infrastructure and so that gives you an idea of where things are going to go interesting so you think this stuff will get nationalized i think there is a good possibility that it will because i think most jobs will be public sector jobs in this interim period just like we saw after 1929.

55:50there's there's also another theory which is that if you're going to get out of this enormous debt and the only thing you can think of is print more money, what if you actually put some of that printed money into something that goes up in some way, that does get a thousand extra. So you know we've talked about a Bitcoin strategic reserve for the U.S. I'm all for it. I want to take a moment and close on one of the most important announcements that occurred in the last 24 hours, and that's out of a company called Google. So our friend Hartmut Nevin, who's been on the stage, we had a Google XPRIZE that's in progress still, had an announcement through Sundar, and it's that, well, actually, Imad, why don't you tell us about it?

56:38It's the first verifiable quantum advantage, so a reproducible algorithm that runs 13 ,000 times faster than the top supercomputer frontier. to do this kind of molecular material binding. And so this is the first time that's happened and it's never going to be the same again. So let's talk about the implications of quantum R. Because I think people have been starting to get a feel for where AI is going. And a lot of people believe that quantum will outpace AI in terms of its implications on humanity and industries. I think with AI there's the bitter lesson, but we can tell the capabilities just by the scaling.

57:14The thing with quantum optimization is you can't. It's step function changes for the hardest optimization problems in the world. And it's instant. Yeah. Can I tell that little story? Yeah, of course. So a year or 18 months ago, two years ago, we had Hartman down within here. Okay. So 10 years ago, Steve Jervison spoke at Singularity University and talked about quantum computing. And somebody asked, where's all this computation coming from? And he said, I'm going to give you the answer, but you're not going to like it. it, the consensus amongst all the physicists is that we're doing the computation in parallel universes and bringing the answer back.

57:47And everybody went, okay. He said, I told you you wouldn't like it. Two years ago, we had Hartmuth on stage and we asked him that same question. We now have 10 years more of data experiments, that many more teams have been working on it. And we said, where is all this computation coming from? He goes, you're not going to like the answer. In fact, he went further than what Steve said. He said the existence of a quantum computer would be definitive that we live in a parallel universe and we live in a multiverse. At which point everybody needs to drink some tequila. So we're going to watch this space.

58:19The implications of quantum computing are on material sciences, on biology, on everything. What's your favorite hope for quantum computing? Well, I think it can help us guide ourselves to better social systems. I think those are massively optimizable and quantum is one of the ways that we can do it. There's an intersection here that's very powerful. We've been moving more and more stuff to AI which needs compute. Compute will solve all these problems like we can solve all math for example and intersecting with quantum you get instant solution of all this stuff which is unreal. But also at the pace that it's moving we don't know the implications and for instance if already the quantum computers have broken Bitcoin the last thing we would know that there is that they've broken Bitcoin.

59:02They would already, they'd be infiltrating Bitcoin. They'd be moving things properly. And then you'd find out one day when Satoshi's Bitcoins are in somebody else's wallet. So it's going to sneak up on us, but we have very few years to get ahead of it. The Singularity is Now. I mean, that episode, we did it. So for those of you who have not seen it, we did an episode on Monday, which is mind boggling. Go listen to it. It's called The Singularity is Now on Peter's channel. Yeah. Amazing. I'll close out by saying If you're not familiar with the XPRIZE Foundation, go please visit XPRIZE.org. I hope you guys will consider joining us at Visionary 2026.

59:41The conversations we have here are some of the most optimistic on the planet. It's the notion that there is no problem we cannot solve. The committed, passionate human mind is able to take on anything, especially when it's got AIs and quantum computers there to help it. Imad, Eric, Saleem, you and I will be flying, I guess, east in a few days. We're off to FII. The real slogan is head east young men. And speaking of optimism, I think it's one of the most optimistic trips that I'll be taking because it's our opportunity to decentralize AI and bring that power to the people to the benefit of humanity.

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