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Podcast Overview
- Title: Motley Fool Money
- Description: A daily podcast focused on stock investing, featuring discussions on business news and investment insights from The Motley Fool’s analysts.
- Episode Title: Can These Three 2025 Losers Turn It Around?
- Guests: Tom King, Travis Hoium
- Host: Tim Beyers
- Producer: Anand Chokkavelu
- Engineer: Dan Boyd
Episode Summary In this episode, the hosts review three prominent companies that underperformed in 2025—Super Micro Computer (SMCI), Lululemon (LULU), and Nike (NKE)—and discuss their potential for recovery in 2026.
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Key Discussions
- Super Micro Computer (SMCI)
- Business Overview:
- Specializes in customizable servers and has significant partnerships with NVIDIA and AMD.
- Performance Issues:
- Faced major setbacks due to auditor Ernst & Young expressing concerns over financial statements.
- Suffered from compressed margins and increased competition from Dell and HP.
- Future Outlook:
- Concerns about high debt levels (~$4.4 billion) and inventory issues (~$3.3 billion increase).
- Despite a reported backlog of $36 billion, skepticism remains about the company’s recovery potential.
- Expert Consensus: Caution advised; many believe a turnaround in 2026 is unlikely.
- Lululemon (LULU)
- Business Overview:
- A leading brand in athletic apparel, particularly known for yoga wear.
- Performance Issues:
- Trailing the market by 60% in 2025; issues include stale inventory and a decline in same-store sales (5% drop).
- Competition is rising from brands like Hoka and On.
- Future Outlook:
- Tom's Perspective: Believes Lululemon maintains a strong brand despite current struggles and views it as a long-term investment.
- Travis’s Perspective: Skeptical about Lululemon's ability to regain momentum, citing changing fashion trends and market pressures.
- Expert Consensus: Mixed opinions; Tom leans towards optimism while Travis warns of potential value traps.
- Nike (NKE)
- Business Overview:
- A globally recognized sportswear brand with a recent leadership change, returning CEO Elliott Hill.
- Performance Issues:
- Revenue declines and market share erosion, particularly with increasing competition from brands like Hoka.
- Shifted strategy from wholesale to direct sales, which has not yielded expected results.
- Future Outlook:
- Tom's Perspective: Indicates Nike is in a challenging position, especially with a failed strategy of cutting ties with retailers and now needing to regain shelf space.
- Travis’s Perspective: Points out the structural challenges Nike faces in adapting to changes in the market, comparing it to brands like Under Armour.
- Expert Consensus: Both agree that without significant changes, Nike is unlikely to outperform in 2026.
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Key Takeaways
- Super Micro Computer: High risk of continued underperformance due to financial concerns and competitive pressures.
- Lululemon: Struggles with brand relevance and inventory issues; mixed views on recovery potential.
- Nike: Facing significant challenges with reshaping its market strategy and recovering market share; both analysts express skepticism about its future performance.
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Conclusion The hosts conclude the episode by summarizing the key points discussed regarding each company and share their final thoughts on the likelihood of a rebound in 2026. Investors are encouraged to conduct their own research and consider broader market conditions when making investment decisions.
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not constitute investment advice. Always consult with financial advisors before making investment decisions.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAnalyzing Supermicro's 2025 Performance
0:45 to 5:53
Discussion on Supermicro's performance and potential turnaround for 2026.
“Today, we're going to talk through each of these companies and then make a prediction about whether they can turn it around in the new year.”
Lululemon's Struggles and Future
5:53 to 6:30
Evaluation of Lululemon's underperformance and market challenges for 2026.
“In January of 1915, Ernest Shackleton's ship, Endurance, became encased in the ice in the Weddell Sea.”
Nike's Market Position and Challenges
6:30 to 12:20
Insights into Nike's current struggles and future prospects in the market.
“Another of the big losers from 2025 was Lululemon.”
Nike's Market Challenges and Future Outlook
14:03 to 17:50
Explore the challenges Nike faces in a changing market landscape and its strategies to regain market share.
“And that strategy hasn't worked out that well for them.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04Can these three losers become winners in 2026? you're listening to Motley Fool Money.
0:20Welcome, fools. I'm your host, Tim Byers, and with me are two of my fool colleagues, Travis Hoyam and Tom King. Travis, I'm emphasizing you because you haven't been on with me. Usually, it's you hosting. Yeah, I'm sitting in a new seat here. I like putting the pressure on you. I appreciate that. Friends, we're here to review some big losers from 2025. So Super Microcomputer, ticker SMCI, Lululemon, ticker Lulu, and Nike, ticker NKE, they were on decaf this year, friends, inflicting dreadful returns on those who've held. Today, we're going to talk through each of these companies and then make a prediction about whether they can turn it around in the new year.
1:03And if so, what will winning look like? So if you are ready to dive in, Tom, we're going to start with Supermicro Computer. So for those who do not know, Supermicro Computer is like a reseller. They make servers, and those servers are customized by Supermicro. They have big relationships with NVIDIA. They have relationships with AMD. And so they kind of build the chips and then they build the motherboards and they customize these things for big customers, particularly big data center customers. They have really close relationships with these suppliers, particularly with the chipset suppliers. And that had been really good business, Tom.
1:50But in 2025, the big boogeyman was Ernst & Young. And you may have seen this. This was late 2024, early 2025. Ernst & Young said, and I'm quoting here. This is Gemini pulled this from some of their accounting statements, unwilling to be associated with the financial statements prepared by management for super micro. I'm going to say that's not good. It's not really good, Tom. So if we if we look at this, margins were compressed. There was some real hits to free cash flow. So a lot of notable pressure from competitors like Dell and Hewlett Packard Enterprise. So when you look at this company, what do you think?
2:41Do you see a company that is primed for a turnaround or one that has been whacked so badly that it's going to take them a while to get off their knees? I would go on the side of caution with this one in 2026. I would say it's probably going to be an underperformer or at least the risk of a significant meltdown is high. And the reason I say that is because until the end of 2023, this was a pretty conservatively run business. Their inventory, so as you mentioned, they mostly acquire, build inventory and sell it to big data center clients. They were acquiring that inventory through their regular profits that they had earned through operations.
3:23But at the beginning of 2024, they started taking on a significant amount of debt. Since then, they've borrowed$4.4 billion, which is a significant amount of money for them. And they've increased their inventory. They've used that money to build and buy inventory. They increased it by$3.3 billion. So this is a strategy that could work out well if they manage to sell that inventory at a decent price. But if there's a problem, if this AI boom slows down, they can't sell that inventory, it could become a significant problem for them. Yeah, Tim, look, I'm in my 30th year now investing. And one of the things that I have learned is that if the accountants don't believe the numbers, we shouldn't necessarily believe the numbers or management in general.
4:15So that is just a good reason to stay out of the stock. And the other thing is, you know, this was an AI play before a lot of these other companies went crazy. You look at the chat GPT moment. It was actually super micro that went nuts before NVIDIA did. Yeah. So things have really kind of gone south from them from there from an operating perspective. Their revenue was trending in the wrong direction exactly at the time when you think it should be rising. Something just doesn't smell right here. Maybe it's me being a little bit ignorant about the business and the ins and outs of exactly where they have an advantage and where they don't.
4:52I just think there's easier ways to play artificial intelligence, something as simple as alphabet. Just buy the leader at a reasonable multiple. You don't have to bet on these comeback stories because I just don't think 2026 is going to be the year for Supermicro. Well, if we're wrong, and I like that you both went thumbs down on this because we're getting some early consensus here. But if we're wrong, I'll just mention this for the listeners here. There is the potential of an NVIDIA tailwind here. Supermicro has said that they have a backlog of$36 billion in revenue booked for, well, maybe not booked, but what they expect for fiscal 2026.
5:33And that is supported by$13 billion just for the NVIDIA Blackwell Ultra systems. So if they execute this, there might be some deep value opportunity here. But yeah, I like the way you put this, Travis. When the auditors say no, maybe you want to pay attention. All right, up next, we're going to talk about yoga pants. It's Lululemon. You're listening to Motley Fool Money. In January of 1915, Ernest Shackleton's ship, Endurance, became encased in the ice in the Weddell Sea. Through determination, grit, and savvy, Shackleton would lead his men through a brutal winter, then over hundreds of miles of Antarctic ice, followed by 800 miles across some of the roughest waters in the world.
6:17It is one of the most extraordinary and inspirational journeys in the history of exploration. Find this story and many others at The Explorers Podcast, available wherever you get your podcasts or at explorerspodcast.com. All right, fools. Another of the big losers from 2025 was Lululemon. And if I give you some data here, Travis, so Lululemon underperformed the market. This is as of our recording today, we're pre-recording on December 17th for our December 29th show. So we're trying to get a little bit ahead for, you know, respect everybody's holiday breaks. But as of today, hey, Travis, Lululemon stocks is trailing the market by about 60 % year to date.
6:59It has been a difficult 2025. So it does look like a couple of things are at work here. Inventory issues, maybe the inventory has been a little bit stale. 5 % decline in America's comps. So that same store sales down in Q3 of 2025. The breeze through products have not worked very well. And there may be some market share pressure here. So when you think about Lululemon, Travis, where are you at? Do you think this is maybe a blip and you want to back this for 2026? Or do you think there's maybe some deeper issues here? I hate to be the negative Nelly because it looks like a value. If you look at their price earnings multiple and a trailing basis, 14 forward basis, 17, that's, that looks pretty good, especially they're continuing to grow.
7:51They've had some tailwinds in Asia. The problem with fashion and brands like this is it's really hard to stay on top. You've got companies like Nike. We'll talk about them in a bit. They stayed on top for what? 30, 40 years. Yeah. That is not typically the way that things work. And what I worry about with Lululemon is they rode this yoga wave for 20 years or so. Now you're looking at where is the momentum. It's more with brands like Hoka and on, and that's where the growth is. And if you look at where the excitement is, not only with athletes, it's not necessarily about going to yoga class. It's about going to a workout.
8:31It's going for a run. So it isn't just about the fashion. It isn't just about yoga. It's about what are people doing, the things that are popular, even from a workout perspective, don't stay popular forever. You know, if there was a pickleball brand, maybe that would be the hottest brand in the market that I would want to buy. But right now, I think, you know, stocks like on like Decker's Outdoor, which owns Hoka are a little more attractive. And Lululemon, I'm just I just worry that this is going to be a value trap for a long time for investors. I mean, that's an interesting point. I mean, Tom, I'm curious to know where you land on this.
9:07You know, Travis says not likely to be a market beater in 2026 here. And I'll tee you up with this. Maybe CEO Calvin McDonald has his own doubts because he's going to be gone at the end of January. He has announced that he's on his way. I wonder maybe if some of the tariffs and macro pressures here are weighing on him a little bit. where do you see things going for Lululemon, particularly with respect to things like guidance cuts? I mean, it hasn't been great. Yeah. I think people will enjoy this because I disagree with Travis. We've got an opposite view on this. Like it? Go for it. The last Apparel company that melted down was Under Armour.
9:50And it melted down, from my view, for two reasons. The first was an accounting scandal. It had gone from 20 % growth every quarter for around about five, six, seven years or something. And then an accounting scandal revealed that they had been encouraging retailers to order early so that Under Armour could book the sales and keep up that 20 % streak. When that was revealed, it really set off a chain of events for Under Armour. Also on the operational side, in terms of selling their gear, they started selling it in off-price channels just to try and get their inventory out the door. And I think that really damaged the brand.
10:33Neither of those two things has happened with Lululemon. The cycle has turned against them. People are stretched in the United States. They can't justify spending $130 on yoga pants. I think that eventually that will change. I think that Lululemon hasn't lost its brand. I know that people's tastes change over time. I don't know what the future looks like in that respect, but I think it's a company that has that brand. It has maintained its strategy. It's made a few mistakes. The CEO is leaving. I don't know if that may have just been due to pressure from the founder and the guy. There's a man who owns 7 % of the company.
11:15He could have encouraged him to leave and said, look, we need some fresh perspective and ideas in this company. So maybe something like that, it's hard to speculate, but I don't know if 2026 will be the year that Lululemon comes back, but I definitely have faith in it as a good investment over, let's say, three to five years. All right. A plus one for the rule breaker in Lululemon. So we've got Tom saying yes, it's a market beater. Travis saying no. Up next, we're staying in the fashion lane. We're gonna talk about Nike. You're listening to Motley Fool Money.
12:11you serve five months free. Green Flag Alarm. Now finish with your old phone-to-handy and get your new new deal on Sparsim.de. All right, fools. We close our segment on the three big losers of 2025. Can Nike be the winner? And Tom, I'm going to come to you on this. So we have a new CEO. We talked about outgoing CEO. Calvin McDonald at Lululemon. We have an inbound CEO, really a returning executive at Nike in Elliott Hill. He has inherited, I think it's fair to say, a bit of a mess here. We've seen some revenue declines. We've seen lower market share. We talked a little bit about the pressure on Lululemon.
13:02I think there's a lot of pressure on Nike. You've seen a lot of high performance from on, from Hoka. The king of the running shoe maybe is no longer the king of the running shoe. I mean, Tom, talk to me about Nike and what you see here for a company that underperformed the market by about 25 % year to date. Are they on track to be an outperformer in 2026? I think that Nike is a little bit lost right now. And the reason I say this is because around about three, four, five years ago, they began a strategy of withdrawing from their wholesale customers. So they were no longer selling to big shoe retailers like Foot Locker and so on, Desana Shoe Warehouse.
13:47And they said that what they wanted to do was basically to copy the Lululemon model and control their brand better. So they just wanted to sell it through their own websites or through Nike dedicated stores or through Nike dedicated sections within certain types of shoe stores. And that strategy hasn't worked out that well for them. And now they're trying to reverse it and go back to those big retailers again. But in the meantime, these upstart brands like Hoka and On have kind of taken that shelf space. And I think that Nike is now coming back to these retailers sort of cap in hand and saying, hey, can we please have some shelf space back.
14:30So until they figure that out, until they figure out how they're going to sell their shoes, I would avoid Nike and I don't think it's a winner in 2026. I mean, Travis, does begging work? Can we have our shelf space back? It is kind of an interesting point. And to be fair, Elliot Hill did say, he's been honest with investors, I think, on balance saying that the turnaround will take a while, even though the strategy is, and I'm quoting here, to win now. What does winning now look like here, Travis? I mean, where are you at with Nike? Any sort of growth would be a win, I think, at this point. But the challenge for Nike is you want to have companies that are playing from a position of strength, and they're playing from a position of weakness right now.
15:19And I want to just go back and just give the way that I look at these companies strategically, you know, Tom, Thomas talked about it a little bit with these newer brands coming in. But the big picture is that Nike grew up in a world where supply owned the market, right? They could sign a huge deal with Michael Jordan, with Tiger Woods. They could put them on TV, put them in magazines. And that was how you got attention to brands. And then you walked into a store like a Dick's, like a Foot Locker, and you went, oh, I've seen those Nike shoes. I've seen those Jordan brand shoes before. That's how the market worked.
15:53In the world where Hoka and On are growing up, the market works very differently. You advertise on Instagram, you have Google ads. So you are more direct to consumer. That's what Nike saw as, oh, you know what? We want a piece of that too. And so they gave up their golden goose. The problem is the companies that have grown up internet native and being able to advertise in this new environment have grown in that space. And now they're starting to take Nike's space. I think Nike, their future looks a lot more like Under Armour than it does an on-holding. And that's really a damning thing to say, but the stock isn't even all that attractive right now.
16:3435 times earnings, even on a forward basis, 35 times earnings. Enterprise value to sales, which doesn't account for profitability and margins and things like that. But that's 2.2 you can buy on holding, which is growing 40 % over the past three years for 4.3 times sales. So less than double the price on a price to sales multiple. They're not focused on profitability quite yet, but they have 60 % margins. Nike is much lower than that. Again, this really comes back to, they are in a tough position because they grew up in a world where supply owned the shelf space. And that was what mattered. We have seen companies like Budweiser, like, you know, Procter and Gamble, when you lose that power position, when the market changes, you were just fundamentally not structured to adapt.
17:23That's what I worry about with Nike. So quick question for both of you, and we'll end on this. Give me a yes or no, Tom, you first, if there's tariff relief, because Nike, like a lot of other consumer brands has been hit by the tariffs. If there is significant tariff relief, does your opinion change? Yes or no, Tom? No, I don't think the tariff relief will be enough. Travis? No. All right. There you have it. Two thumbs down for Nike. Fools, this has been part of our series of year-end, looking back to look forward to 2026. Thank you for tuning in with us. uh tom travis thanks for being here really appreciate it fools as always people on the program may have interest in the stocks they talk about and the motley fool may have formal recommendations for or against so don't buy or sell stocks based solely on what you hear all personal finance content follows motley fool editorial standards and not approved by advertisers advertisements are sponsored content provided for informational purposes only to see our full advertising disclosure, please check out our show notes.
18:35Fools, we're so glad you're here. We hope you're having a wonderful holiday season. Our engineer, as always, is Dan Boyd, and our producer is Anand Chakabalu. Thanks to Tom King and Travis Hoyam for being here with me. I am your host, Tim Byers. We will see you again in 2026, Fools. Thank you for tuning in. Fool on.
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From the publisher
We look back to look forward and predict whether three of 2025's biggest disappointments can turn it around in 2026. Can Super Micro Computer (NASDAQ: SMCI), Lululemon (NASDAQ: LULU), and Nike (NYSE: NKE) get back to beating the market?
Tom King, Travis Hoium, and Tim Beyers discuss:
- How losing faith with auditors cost Supermicro.
- Whether fashion trends favor Lululemon.
- The 2026 challenges facing Nike CEO Elliott Hill.
Companies discussed: SMCI, LULU, NKE
Host: Tim Beyers
Guests: Tom King, Travis Hoium
Producer: Anand Chokkavelu
Engineer: Dan Boyd
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