Destin Conrad: Young, free and unbound by genre - EP12

15:20Kehlani:Colour me surprised, bro.

15:21Destin Conrad:The household I grew up in was listening to the Beatles, Status Quo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've had to explore and find music for myself. Okay, so what have we got? So we're going back to 1985.

15:32Kehlani:Okay.

15:32Destin Conrad:and we're going Alexander O 'Neill okay what's missing

15:35Kehlani:okay where are you finding these tunes what's Alexander O 'Neill okay okay what's going on

15:43Destin Conrad:this guy is shocked what's happening what's happening I don't know where I found this yeah but I did okay and I liked it alright which is why it's coming up so this tune what's missing it's produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis

15:57Kehlani:the guys we mentioned them a lot or like at least they've been in production a lot of songs that we've mentioned so yeah they've been in the conversation um but for the sake of this bit of context um they've achieved 16 billboard number

16:12Destin Conrad:ones and among just a small group of people who have had number one singles spanning three

16:16Kehlani:separate decades yeah yeah they're serious bro serious people here their credits also include

16:22Destin Conrad:janet jackson mariah carey boys to men usher and the list goes on um so it sounds great as you can imagine based on that um what's missing obviously it's speaking about love and things that are missing from love and how you like yeah develop the relationship and get get back on track and all this sort of stuff so it is the lyric is almost in contradiction to the sonic because it feels quite uplifting and quite hopeful so he's presenting i guess so what's missing and how do we yeah how do we get there rather than like despair what's missing uh yeah it's grooving funky r &b soul again disco infused punchy drums lots of keys a good bass line so i mean all of those elements was what i guess pricked my ears up when i heard it um and yeah i've been enjoying discovering some older tunes uh because i feel like it's crazy ain't no one making that sort of music anymore um and that's not i sound like an old head saying that but just no one people aren't making that unless i'm aware if people are someone let me know yeah that's what we're here

17:24Kehlani:we're here to discover these new sounds because i'm the same like i always go back because especially yeah that mid 80s era thanks to like producers uh like jimmy jam and lewis and that um there's just a bounce there's just and it's just like fun um yes it's yeah it's hard to find

17:42Destin Conrad:those now i say people aren't making that anymore but this is new to me so yeah for me it's a new

17:48Kehlani:tune which is great i'm happy for you man i'm really i'm really happy that you're like into these tunes because you were hating on me throwing it back before so now you're throwing it back like welcome to the party and that so that leads me to my third third tune okay so my third recent rotation you know what i'm doing i'm throwing it back um i'm living in the 1970s at the moment to be honest so we're going 19 1972 this time okay the ojs okay tune backstabbers now this I said, no. No, J's, go in. You know, you 100 % know their most popular song, which is Love Train. But this was kind of the song that, this was their first breakthrough tune, I would say.

18:35Kehlani:Because basically they got signed by like Philadelphia International Records and they lost, they were originally, I think four, and then they went down to a trio. And yeah, through this label, this was kind of their first song that they released. And it was like instantly. That first song. It was instantly a banger. It was put into like a movie with Diane Keaton and stuff. So it was like, it was big. And yeah, the reason I actually chose this was me, typical me listening to a song and be like, oh, I want to go to the sample and stuff. So this is used in big, big Neo Soul R &B tune, the late great Angie Stone, Wish I Didn't Miss You.

19:18Kehlani:so it's usually the same melody essentially so when i was growing up i didn't realize this was a sample i thought this was just her yeah i was like this is crazy like the beat itself is crazy um so yeah it's this this is the original essentially and then yeah backstabbers as this as the title says it's like about um it's actually about um you're like a male friend going behind your back and trying to take your girl is what it is and this the lyrics is like Yikes. The lyrics is they're smiling in your face kind of thing, but like they're backstabbers essentially. The lyrics are like talking about guys coming to your yard and being all friendly and stuff, and then coming to the yard when I'm not there and taking the girl and all of this type of stuff.

20:02Kehlani:So it's very dramatic. And if you listen to the melody, you're like, ooh, like this is a bit eerie and dramatic. It's turbulent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's the main reason was for the sample, but the tune itself is great. um lyrics um lyrics vocals excellent oj's just uh i think i think the lead singer's eddie lever i want to say it is uh and he's he goes off so yeah so yeah definitely listen listen to it give it a go the oj's backstabbers throwing it back very nice and on that note should we get on to the spotlight artists it's me so we're gonna find out who it's gonna be Let's do it.

20:42Kehlani:Let's go.

20:43Destin Conrad:All right. It's time to get into our Spotlight Artist for the week. You have done the preparation and the research for us this time.

20:50Kehlani:I've tried. Yeah, I've tried to do my best. Okay, let's go. Who are we going to be discussing? This week, Spotlight Artist is none other than Destin Conrad. Okay. He spoiled us to two albums last year. And he's just come off of a big tour, US and UK. And I think he's just wrapping that up now. So one of the albums isn't exactly what we expected it to be. so we're going to talk about that a bit okay just a quick one line of view yeah to describe him simple young and free that's what i'm going for yeah i hear it i hear it i think it's good quickly some of the influences that he's mentioned before i get into his kind of story and his discography luther vandross stevie wonder music soul child beyonce brandy and all the pioneers of R &B and he's mentioned Brandy multiple occasions so I'll put that one at the top the vocal bible is what they call it I was gonna say he's a man about his vocals yeah yeah yeah so I'm gonna go just through early timeline we'll go through the discography okay and then lead up to where we are now yeah go from there yeah okay so he's 25 at the moment uh he's born in Tampa Florida so uh quick mention to the Florida scene there's a lot of R &B yeah we did Sailor in it

22:04Destin Conrad:They did say that.

22:04Kehlani:Yeah, yeah. So Sailor, Dochi, Flozig, Isaiah Falls, Gabriel Jacoby, although he's from South Carolina, but he's Tampa raised. So there's an orange, it's out in the water. Something happening, yeah. Something down south is happening in the RMB scene.

22:24Destin Conrad:It's good to see. It's good to see. Because I've only been to America twice, and one of the times was Tampa, I believe. And it was quite a sleepy sort of sleepy town.

22:34Kehlani:Yeah, I feel like we don't, as tourists, you don't really see the proper Florida, right? Of course. I've been fortunate enough, I've got like family there and that. So I see. Like a amount of culture, you see what's popping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because essentially, obviously I'm like Jamaican background on my dad's side. So a lot of the main places that people commute when they left Jamaica was the UK, Canada and America. And America, a lot of times it's Florida. So a lot of my family are from there. And it's the same with Destin, essentially. His mum is Jamaican born. So that's why he's from Florida, essentially.

23:10Kehlani:Right. Yeah. Similar to the artist that we mentioned in Tiana Major 9, who's also Jamaican, Destin as well. So you have a bit of those kind of cultural influences in his music and you kind of can hear that throughout. Yeah. Just going off of something that he says, he says, I grew up on a lot of music and things that were regionally exclusive to there, growing up around a lot of caribbean people and being jamaican myself plays such a huge role in music so he is aware of of his influences around him yes so when he started singing was um again similar to tiana major nine was in the church at church events his aunt would take him and make him sing at events and stuff so he was always a fan of music and being wanted to be out there his older sister he says is a major r &b head so she would put him onto music basically so anything that she liked he would like as well by default yeah yeah yeah and i think that's the case to this day they i think they're still very close and um that that's always happening by age 11 he had moved from tampa to la the city of angels it's all happened yeah it's what a big move yeah so that's influenced like been a big influence to him moving into la and i'll speak on that in a second he actually gained popularity before singing and being an artist somewhere else were you aware of this so he was popular on vine oh serious as a teenager yeah yeah so he first gained popularity on vine in 2014 right so he was just like a young kid basically and he had like a million followers oh is it so he was like like a social media influencer on vine obviously vine like fell through r.i.p on that yeah yeah but through vine he met kalani and that's they built a relationship off of that so before how interesting yeah so before he even like started doing music he already had like a an audience yeah yeah and like a big damn artist in connection so that that's yeah quite cool so by um 17 18 obviously vine is now gone so he's like what else am i gonna do uh being in la he's got friends like kehlani and and others that are going to a studio regularly um and they would kind of basically take take him with them and like he would just be there uh and then he kind of started to learn how to songwrite and that was his first step into music so he wanted to do songwriting and he says being raised in california uh la specifically it gave me the sense of freedom to create and uh up close examples of people making their dreams happen for themselves so he was seeing other people's like grow as artists and he was like i'll have a piece

26:00Destin Conrad:of that yeah how interesting that's such a unique circumstance yeah imagine just being around like

26:04Kehlani:a bunch of people who are talented producers like artists and you're like yeah and you're literally just a flower on the wall yeah yeah yeah so he started being a songwriter um and basically what turned him into a singer is basically after a while he would write songs and he's just like i don't want to give this away this is this is something that i want so eventually and that's what inspired him to be like i'm going to start recording i'm going to do an ep which brings us to the discography so 2019 first single cautious which is actually where i step i step in as a listener i actually do saying you step is crazy this is this is what i this is my part of my value this is my story no no yeah so 2019 cautious is a single and it's like mellow r &b as i said you get hints of like caribbean influences through his flow um and it's like a song a song about essentially a lover kind of scared to try something new or someone new.

27:06Kehlani:It's interesting because obviously this is him trying something new as well. This is his first song. That being said, it took him 45 minutes to churn this out. Top to bottom. Asshole. So it's obviously like insane talent already. He knows how to make a tune. Yeah. So he's ready. So he does this. Hurtful.

27:26Destin Conrad:45 minutes.

27:27Kehlani:2019. He's got to be maybe like 19 or something at the time um and he's like yeah that'll that'll do me and it's received really well so and he already has in his mind that he's going to make an ep as well so that's 2019 2020 he releases three singles um and all leading up to his ep and he's writing credits off the bat on kehlani's album it was good until it wasn't which is up till now probably before the folded album comes out is her biggest album yeah right uh so he has writing credits on the song water on that so already he's like he's got he's got what four songs and writing credits on like one of the biggest r &b albums of that year which is insane so that's that year 2021 is the debut ep right and it's a nine-track ep called colorway uh the album covers quite cool It's like a blurred portrait with a rainbow kind of overlaid and washed over his face, which is quite cool.

28:33Kehlani:And he says it's about how colors come together to make one thing. And he kind of applied that into his theory of music as well as the lyrics, trying to turn songs into one body of work, essentially. Which is pretty impressive for your first EP. A lot of the time you have a first EP and it's more just showcasing what I have, but he's already thinking about bodies of work. And this is something that he kind of keeps with him throughout his musical journey, I would say. Just off of that, two credits to pick out off of that EP. Singer-songwriter, Ombre. She is a name feature and she's writing credits throughout this EP as well.

29:16Kehlani:The second is producer Louis Lastic. And basically just, just keep, remember that name because you're going to hear it. You're going to hear me mention this throughout. So this, this is him collaborating with his friends. Right. But as a first production, yeah, he's basically on most of the songs as a, as a producer. So that's March, 2021, 2022. He does another EP. He's out again. He's doing another one. Again, production, Lou Elastic throughout. again features with a song with ombre and writing credits with her as well so she and she actually in this one she earns herself um an interlude so she has a whole interlude for herself and kalani returns the favor writing credits and now she's she's now credited on this ep in the song down bad as well so there's they're still having that relationship back and forth and helping each other out probably they're in studio sessions together all the time and yeah he he calls Kalani like his big sister so um that's happening so that's 2022 2023 guess what we've got another EP we've got another nine track EP this one is submissive gosh really borderline EP versus like LP yeah we're right on the edge we're right attention we're right on the cusp of it so So this is submissive, nine track EP, exact produced by, you guessed it, Lou Elastic.

30:45Kehlani:He's there again. This one has two name features on it. And it's artists that we've mentioned on the pod. Jordan Ward, the guy. The guy. And Masego as well. The guy as well. I'm a hater on Masego, but he's the guy. He's the guy.

31:00Destin Conrad:I mean, it's super music, isn't it?

31:01Kehlani:Yeah. And this is the first time he has interaction with Sasha Keeble as well. So in the first song, Mariposa, she has writing credits on this as well. so it's building it's building a circle it's kind of making transatlantic and i hear it yeah yeah and speaking of transatlantic next year so 2023 submissive 2024 submissive two so that's another nine track ep maybe that's too submissive yeah so we've got another nine track ep again uh what's

31:31Destin Conrad:with these nine tracks i don't know he's scared of the double digits all eps are nine tracks so i

31:36Kehlani:I don't know. There seems to be a running theme.

31:38Destin Conrad:He's churning it out to be fair. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

31:40Kehlani:This time credits, Sasha Keeble again. K1's in the mix now as well. And Matt Keane on production as well. Once again, Lou Elastic is about, he's about again. And K1's actually on the production side as well, as well as writing credits as well, which is cool. Which is obviously one of our spotlight artists. So if you haven't listened to us talk about K1, go back episode one. The debut. Go back and listen to it. Lock in. So that's 2024 wrapped up. In between these, by the way, he's still doing like separate singles featuring with people. But I thought I'd just concentrate on the actual projects themselves.

32:15Kehlani:So every year since he's come out. There's an offering. There's an EP. A nine track EP and like a mixture of singles and stuff as well. So he's churning out music. There's nonstop. So that's 2024. 2025 is the debut album, right? it's taking it there it's love on digital yeah uh 15 tracks healthy that's what you want that's

32:40Destin Conrad:what that's what we want that's what we want to achieve into that yeah so love on digital as the

32:45Kehlani:name suggests it's kind of a love uh an ode to the digital era of r &b um but also the um kind of situations of like love through digital means as well right and yeah he chose he chose this because this is essentially the r &b that he grew up with that those 2000s r &b um when it kind of sonically changed to being digital instead of like analog and so in terms of instrumentation stuff so he wanted to make that sound so it was heavily influenced by producers like timbaland the neptunes um dark child and an artist like that the main aim for this album was to be fun is what he is what he said uh and essentially this yeah this was kind of him like obviously first prod like album it's him putting a stake in the ground saying this is me bro arrival moment i'm here yeah uh so that was exec produced by lou elastic and it got them uh a grammy nomination for best progressive r &b album as well so he's he's he's slapping off grammy number for your first album yeah it's slapping off bro so that's april 2025 yeah this is where it gets interesting yeah august 2025 is another album i don't know i mean that's that's work right i don't know what's going on it's another album uh whimsy is the album uh it's a jazz fusion album 11 tracks um It essentially represents a passion project that was kind of off the cuff.

34:24Kehlani:And basically, yeah, he just wanted to do a jazz album, essentially. When he was younger, he was in jazz choir and jazz bands. So he's always kind of a fan of the genre. And the front of the album is titled an alternative jazz album, is what it's labelled as, by Mr. E. so he's created like an alter ego um for this album uh his alter ego mystery is he says is from london smokes a lot and loves jazz i didn't know that so is he from london yeah he's made an alter ego just like so obviously the artist lover alter ego just a cut i thought i'd mention just a couple of other alter egos you got obviously eminem and slim shady yeah you got beyonce and Sasha Fierce.

35:14Kehlani:You got Prince and Camille. And obviously our favourite is George Clinton and Dr. Funkenstein. So I thought I was about to bring Dr. Funkenstein.

35:29Destin Conrad:If you've not listened to that episode, run that one back as well.

35:32Kehlani:Exactly. Go back to that episode, mate. Yeah. So in an interview for his first EP, so back in 2021, he says he wants to be free and uh he doesn't want to make just one style of genre and he wants to experience and create because that's what life is all about so he from when he first became an artist he already said that he wanted to do different things he didn't want to be kind of um put into a pigeonhole essentially so um the core themes of this album uh is still very much what he's been doing in terms of like romance and heartbreak uh but in this album he kind of approaches it in different angles so two songs that kind of show that is uh love which is very much what the title says is super sincere to love um but then on the opposite side he has a song called boredom which talks about um kind of there being no spark in a relationship so he's already like doing like different things within within the album um and with these contrasting feelings the album still manages to stay quite consistent in the way it sounds yeah um and i think that's largely thanks to the production right so a couple of credits on that is uh keyon harold who we mentioned in the tiana tiana major nine uh episode because he was on the energy tune my favorite so he he's he's on there terrence martin who we've mentioned is the guy the saxophonist the guy matt keen is doing production as well again who we mentioned and exec produced by louis elastic of course keeping it all all all together so we mentioned last episode about having when you're creating something kind of having that one person or or whatever to build something to make it cohesive and i think that's an this is an example yeah yeah especially it's interesting because it's like you're obviously

37:31Destin Conrad:changing genre yeah but you've still got the same guy as your right hand yeah yeah yeah i think um

37:37Kehlani:it's credit to to louis elastic and destin that they've let the artists come in the jazz artists come in and kind of do what they do yeah and leave enough space in the production for them to really show their instrumentation i would say um because if you control that too much then you're taking the jazz out of the music.

37:59Destin Conrad:Especially in that genre as well. You can't be too prescriptive with these guys, isn't it?

38:05Kehlani:Yeah, exactly. So that's, oh, sorry. That's not, we're not done. We're not done with the music. Sorry.

38:10Destin Conrad:I thought that was it.

38:12Kehlani:Sorry. So he's obviously done two albums in 2025. Yeah. And then this year in April, he releases a Dulux of Whimsy, which is seven additional songs on top of the, what did I say? 11 tracks previously.

38:29Destin Conrad:It's a lot of additional tracks there.

38:31Kehlani:So, I mean, that's an EP in itself, really, isn't it? I mean, not by his standards, isn't it? Well, yeah, yeah. It's too short of an EP. It's fair. But yeah, so it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. A lot's going on. So just going back to Whimsy in general, how do you feel about moving from R &B to jazz? And do you think this was done successfully,

38:53Destin Conrad:what we said? Yeah, it's a good question. It's a good question. obviously you've described him as young and free and he's self-proclaimed like he wants to do that right and be able to sort of experiment with sounds and sort of just be the i guess occupy the full spectrum of what it is to be an artist so i guess when someone prefaces a career with that you can expect pivots yeah how do i feel about it this album whimsy is it's well executed yeah there's a level of quality and excellence to it which is a testament to as you say him to louis and to the collaborators that they've brought in yeah who are like very much anchored in integrity in that genre um then make it a quality a quality project yeah i would say i can appreciate it i probably prefer yeah i definitely prefer him in r &b so it's is it something i'll come back to maybe not yeah but hey being an artist is that freedom of expression right and so i have a lot of respect for him to be able to execute that with the degree of quality that he has and also 18 tracks like this isn't a throwaway isn't a you know we obviously spoke about jack harlow previously in monica and that was nine tracks and again that was with a select group of people and nine tracks you know i don't know how much time he spent making that but i think it was probably a significant period but i mean you talk about 18 tracks yeah so it's

40:21Kehlani:clearly been dedication to this we say this so the whimsy album the 11 track uh was made in a

40:29Destin Conrad:two-week span i've been i should have known so when his first track took 45 minutes out things

40:37Kehlani:quickly and basically he had songs already there they weren't they weren't jazz they were the r &b or whatever genre that he had and he was like i want to do an r &b um a jazz album okay let's just jazzify this up and let's get going and yeah just smashed it all out smashed it all out in two weeks which is crazy uh yeah i mean my take on it is obviously i'm a bit of a jazz cat i'm about it i think it's like excellent excellently executed um and i think the the difference between the Jack Carlo and the Destin Conrad, one, obviously Destin is vocally very good. Right. Yeah. Uh, and so he, he just, in this, he more uses vocals as an instrument rather than being, it's not like lyrically super heavy or anything like that.

41:36Kehlani:Jazz is a genre. Yeah, exactly. So he does dip into jazz really well. And I feel like his vocals aren't necessarily in the forefront of the songs as well. Yeah, I would agree. It's a lot of the instrumentation is what you're listening to more so, right? So yeah, I'm about it. And as the title suggests, it's whimsy, isn't it? It's on a whim, forget me. So like he's not, this is just a passionate project. I am surprised that he released a Dulux version of this instead of going back to Love on Digital. or just doing something new because especially because the tour that he was on was a love on digital tour so i would have thought he would have doubled down on his album before instead

42:21Destin Conrad:of doubling down on the passion project i mean my a presumption from me on this is that it was always 18 tracks and then he thought how palatable is that as a as an intro is a introduction point to people for me in this space yeah yeah i mean hey who knows but yeah i mean a part a part of the

42:42Kehlani:extra 18 sorry extra seven songs is uh kind of a re-look at the love song uh with um this time was like jean doe yeah and it's called more love um and then there's a couple there's a okay maybe or not then yeah there's a um kind of a vocal like skit like check-in which is called michelle checks in um and the rest are are songs essentially um so yeah i think he probably just had more just more ready ready to go right um and then he was just like yeah let's just let's just release it which is always interesting do you have any um favorite songs on the on the album probably not to be fair no probably not just just uh it's a big a big slur of jazz yeah that was that was

43:33Destin Conrad:so much jazz but it did kind of feel like a like a long continuation of a of a session in a way yeah yeah but just kind of like yeah to the genre yeah and i think it's um

43:47Kehlani:it speaks to how it was recorded as well like it was all yeah and concentrated yeah concentrated like some of the songs were done in one takes um which is crazy as well so i love that i think that makes sense it makes sense to me um i mean my favorite songs are probably the more popular tunes uh which is like wash your way um which is the like one of the singles for the first release uh with terrence martin obviously the saxophone is going in um Um, and yeah, it's more, I think it's probably the most complete actual song. Yeah. Whereas a lot of it is like kind of jazz snippets. Um, like I like, I do like love, but it's like a minute and a half or something.

44:36Kehlani:And it's just like a hell of jazz going in the background. And you're like, okay, what's happening there? So like, if you're, I guess if you don't like that genre. It's going to be quite overstimulating. Yeah. It's too, it's too much. It's just too much at points. but yeah i mean i'm i'm here for it i'm here for it he's another one of those artists i think he hasn't released a bad song that's the thing when it's good quality there's you know obviously

45:00Destin Conrad:that's my personal preference yeah and i feel like i feel like the best artist should be able should freely express and do a bunch of different stuff and i feel like sometimes fans can be too entitled with saying stuff like this is all we want from you yeah even like obviously drake enters different pockets a lot of the time and he had a whole flipping like dance album but like bro also you know it's kind of like what elijah says you know the yellow squares guy like if you love music you should learn to dj if you love music you should make music like if you love music be about it be a student be about it bro yeah trust me and so you know obviously growing up with east coast west coast caribbean heritage obviously uk connections and stuff like yeah Yeah.

45:43Kehlani:Yeah.

45:44Destin Conrad:All of his, he's anchored in black music heritage. Yeah. And so it makes sense to explore those genres. Yeah.

45:48Kehlani:Yeah. So he explores the different regions. In this album, he lived, I think he lived in New York for a time as well. So there's a song called Bed-Stuy that refers to kind of that time as well. I think he says like London is like one of his favorite cities. And that's why he collaborates with so many like UK artists and stuff. Yeah. So it makes sense that he's got all these different sounds and different like pockets that he wants to experiment and he yeah doesn't want to be pigeonholed so he just does like everything right and i guess could he burn himself out by doing stuff like this like he's done a lot of music the work rate is insane he did like a 47 date tour yeah it's what he's just come off of and he's been bagging out tunes in short periods of time producing this as well so like is do you do you think artists can burn themselves out a bit like we i mean we're the like the listener we always want something all the time of course i just feel like so long as

46:42Destin Conrad:you can do it sustainably then great i think you know you mentioned amy winehouse sort of like loosely earlier in the episode and i think you know you've got tragic instances like that and i'm just like so the health of the artist has to be paramount yeah yeah exactly that word was what came to my mind and so it's like so long as they can execute around that and they can be in good health like yeah physically and mentally around that if if they have a persuasion to work super hard and they've got the energy for it then absolutely but i think so long as there's regular dialogue and we're making sure that they're cool yeah then yeah more feel free to give us more but

47:19Kehlani:like touring is yeah i think that's what's good about destin is because he collaborates with his friends and he creates such a good energy around him it probably makes it easier for him to to make these songs and make them quickly and in like quantity essentially um because he seems clearly is enjoying it all so yeah absolutely so yeah i mean yeah man pick him up so that's that's my notes or anything unless you have any other questions than that no i think it's great i

47:45Destin Conrad:think it's great and you know things like this i do like because it it causes it's a good cause for conversation isn't it like i think um the best obviously music is art and the best thing about art that is it is subjective and it gets people talking there's a dialogue people can have preferences and it's okay to like different stuff and that and as a young guy pushing boundaries like this i think it's sick so nothing but respect in it really yeah so shout out to

48:11Kehlani:destin conrad and i learned some stuff so it's good we're learning jazz bro we're learning jazz we seem to have talked about jazz quite a bit of their story so uh it seems to be having like a movement this kind of jazz fusion so um and yeah destin conrad's dipped into it and executed very, very well. So yeah, listen to the album if you haven't. And yeah, that's it. Shout out to Destas. Whimsy. Cool.