2025s Most Iconic Moments of No Parental Guidance

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0:38Angela Scanlon! Hello! Connie's here. Hello, I'm here, everyone. I'm Davina, Davina. We have got David Gandhi on the podcast. Hello, sir. I'm just going to go upstairs and bang you, do it. Lovely to meet you. I'm David. Today we've put together a special compilation of our absolute favourite bits. So grab a final mince pie, settle in, and let's relive the best of the podcast for six months.

1:09Starting at number 12 is our first ever guest on the pod, the fabulous Angela Scanlon. Here's us talking to Angela about pelvic floor and her infamous moment on Strictly. Did you pee yourself at all on Strictly? Yeah. Did you? Yeah. I think I would have peed myself anyway, to be honest. Well, yeah. But yeah, I did. I remember doing rehearsals for the Charleston and it was quite a spicy number and like there was a lot of hop in it as there is in that but ours was particularly bouncy. I remember Anton or somebody referring to me as like Tigger. I was quite, you know, jumpy. And yeah, I did the rehearsal and I remember Carlos being like, what happened there?

1:50And I was too embarrassed because we were three weeks in at that point. I didn't know him well enough to be like, I just wet myself. Oh, of course. And I was so embarrassed and I was also so afraid because I was like, oh my God, what if this happens on the show? Because it's a lot to like manage that while also managing your steps and also managing all of that stuff. But I will say, you know, it's pretty solid now. So it was, you know. It's that though when it starts, like if you're doing a live show, when you start to wee yourself, it's almost like you can't stop it when it's that like, because the muscles are just like, just dispersed and gone somewhere.

2:28Yeah. Oh, bless her. I can't believe we discussed pelvic floor on the first episode. I know, first episode in and she's like, yeah, **** myself on Strictly. And so relatable. Like, I **** myself. Yeah. I'll admit it, I have. And, you know, we need to look after our pelvic floor. In fact, I remember doing a TV commercial. And I don't know if I said this on that podcast. I had to jump on a trampoline for an entire day. Oh, God. After you'd had kids. Yeah. Oh, Christ. And I ****ed myself. Yeah. On this trampoline in front of a whole crew of people watching. And it stank. And then tried to hair dry it and it was just bad.

3:01And then it smelled of hot f***. It was, yeah. Yeah. So glamorous, isn't it? I love the fact that for our first guest, we just talked about incontinence straight away. And then we had Blue Peter icon Connie Hook talking about her postpartum days and a trip to the BAFTAs. Who knew that behind all that glamour was a mum just trying to hold it all together? I was once at the BAFTAs in a sheer dress. Oh gosh. And I know. And how old was your baby at this time? Oh, you know, still breastfeeding. So however many months. And honestly, I remember having to go to the toilet and then stuff loads of like tissue in my bra and also squeeze, actually squeeze my boobs.

3:45Oh, security was like, there's a woman in there. I think she needs some help. Is she okay? I mean, thank goodness the red carpet bit is first because I could see, you know, two stains would be not a good look. I remember that. I remember that episode. And I think we can all relate to that moment where your boobs just go. Oh my God. When the milk comes in. And your boobs are rock hard. But also that feeling, if you are breastfeeding, when they latch on and it's just that release of like. It's like squeezing a spot, isn't it? Just suck it out. Let it go. Let it go. Did you ever drink your own? Well, I'll tell you what.

4:21One day my husband really me off. I love this story already. He hadn't like got up in the night. I didn't hear him. I didn't hear him. And I was like, you f***ing did. So I put my breast milk in his coffee. That was great. And I served it to him. And then there was, I don't know if I should keep this in, but there's actually one time that my breast pump broke and I was like, Andy, you're going to have to get some milk out of me. So I asked him to suck my f***. And he was like. And I was like, suck harder, Andy, suck harder. my second baby I was like right not only am I gonna breastfeed I'm gonna donate my breast milk so for Logan and Annabelle um I donated uh liters of the stuff I was I was like a cow so yeah come on um but you've got you can only do it within the first six months so if anybody does listen because people are crying out for wet nurses and you can contact if you google it there's various um through the nhs and they come to your house and they collect your breast milk you have to store it in a certain way yeah i love that so i used to do two extra expresses a day now in my head i put myself under that pressure because i wanted to do that because i felt like i couldn't feed my first baby properly now with hindsight it's amazing i genuinely donated liters and it's for like NICU babies and they test it obviously first you've got to have a certain diet you do have loads of blood tests and everything first but I remember sitting up and like expressing and I went and did a netball presenting job and I took a mini fridge with me so I plugged the mini fridge in because I needed to get the extra sachets of milk out as well as my normal feeds for the baby and it was about four or five months old and it was just like a one day job so it's fine and we sat at this netball event at the copper box in London and somebody was like oh how come some of the lights have gone off on the left-hand side.

6:17And I was sat with all the sound and light engineering guys. And I was like, oh God. And I said, oh, sorry. I've just plugged my mini fridge in to put my breast milk in. And I was surrounded by these 18 year old sound engineers and lighting engineers. And they're like, that's to operate the lights. And like the netball players can't see where they're going because half the lights are off in the arena. Sorry, babe, it's just my breast milk in the - Oh my gosh, look like that woman in her. Yeah, but I'm not saying about the, I donated breast milk as if I need like an MBE. No, that is a beautiful thing to do.

6:50I think it was part of that was like, when they say to you in the hospital, if your baby's got jaundice or if your baby's poorly, breast milk has obviously got more nutrients in at the time. And then they say, do you want a wet nurse? And I didn't know what a wet nurse was. And I was like, what's that? And it was at the time I couldn't have any donated milk, but I would have probably taken it at that point when the baby, like when my kids were a bit poorly. I think that's a really, really wonderful thing to do. I mean, I wish I could have given liters and liters, but my breast milk was just enough for the baby that I had.

7:21And then I think when I started introducing the bottle, they're like, oh, I can get more out of this. Well, hold on a second. This is way more efficient for me. Number 10 is one of my favorite moments from the first episode. Louise told a story and I don't think I can ever get over it. I actually did put a picture up on Instagram years ago, which still haunts me, actually, and maybe some others if they ever saw it. And this is, I literally became a mother. I gave birth and I, for whatever reason, I just wanted to know how things were down there. Eczema is unpredictable, but you can flare less with Epiglis, a once-monthly treatment for moderate to severe eczema.

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9:29You're not going to tell me you sent this in a WhatsApp group are you? To parents? No. No. You're not going to say that to me are you? Did you accidentally send it to somebody? I put it on Facebook. You put a picture of your vagina on Facebook after you gave fur? Accidentally. Accidentally. Did you actually? Yes I did. Oh my god. It was horrendous.

9:53Oh my god. I actually forgot I said this. and like literally it's something that still haunts me it's so funny no horrendous did anyone see it I I didn't get any likes I was gonna say how many likes did you get I have to just say that this was before I was on social media as I am now it was only on Facebook and I had I think about 200 300 followers which is still enough still enough to see the vag and it haunts me But how many women have done that, you know, when you've had a baby and they say, don't look. The first thing you want to do is look, don't you? I had a good feel, yeah. I don't recommend that either.

10:32Yeah. I don't know what possessed me. I was just intrigued. Seeing as you had your favourite moment of mine, I also have one of yours, Hannah. As a breastfeeding mum, I think we can all relate to this one. Next fail. This happened to me just the other day. I'm a mum in the absolute trenches right now. I'm not sleeping at night and I've just had a bit of a sh**ter. A pulse for swearing. Don't worry about it. However, I've had to see the comedy in these moments. Anyway, I was so sleep deprived one day, all the days, and my baby is cluster feeding. And in my haze, I basically had a two-hour window where my boob was out on full display.

11:10I'd answered the door to one delivery driver, a postman, and I'd also spoke to Mike from next door as I was putting out the bins. Oh my God. I didn't notice until my boobs started getting full again and leaking. Oh my gosh. This is like. This is brilliant. My favorite kind of story. Yes. I love it because we've all done it. We've all done it. Like, I mean, maybe not so much out the whole time, but wow. Barry from DPD has seen my s*** more than my husband in the last 12 months, let me tell you. It's like you forget. And then you need, I always felt like after I'd finished feeding, I just needed a bit of air to my boob.

11:48Because you constantly got those pads on. And then, you know, the cups that catch you like leaking milk everywhere. I used to just, I felt like I just wet all the time. So I just like to free them and air them. And the amount of times where I've gone and answered the door and stood there and been like, oh, oh my God. I like half molded my t***. There's like really like, yeah, boulders in Parma Ham just took around the door. It's just bleh. Oh, Barry. Oh, Baszler. He's made his day. He's locally a legend. And I don't think I'm the first person to flash my tits to Barry because every mum does it, don't they?

12:26Yeah, I mean, you know, we're so sleep deprived and we don't know, you know, our boobs when we're breastfeeding, they're not sexual. No. It's like, it's the canteen. It's lunch, it's dinner, it's all of it. Yeah. So yes, to you, to me, it's just like, oh, nothing to see here. But to Barry, he's probably like, Jesus. And because we, look at us, I went really Yorkshire then, because we're always on Amazon buying stuff. So DPD's always there. Well, exactly. We then had our first ever couple on the show and our first pregnant mama, Shan and Tay Cabs. They explained what they thought was the hardest stage of parenting.

13:02And I think we can all agree with them. it was you that wanted a fourth right it was me indeed convince shan so how did that all come about one time i was just looking at the kids i was like four does it make sense yeah how do you find the age difference between your 16 year old like going into like a newborn how how do you find the different stages and which one which stage so far have you found the hardest Toddler stage. Yeah. Oh God, yeah. That's the business. Yeah. Stop, move, don't touch. That bit there is like, oh, that you can't sit down. Pulling stuff out. Yeah, my two year old's at that stage now.

13:38That's the stage. She was taking pots and pans out the other day. She got three Weetabix out the cupboard and just went, stood in the living room, just crumbled them on the floor. And then she was like, oh dear me. Yeah. I'm like, you're so cute, but I annoy you. I love you so much, but why are you so like me? Yeah. I think toddler. Toddler stage. Oh my God, the toddler stage. Like we're in it at the minute. We are in the thick of it. And I do feel for you. I do think it's one of the hardest stages of parenting. It is relentless. Like just with a drunk mate all the time. You don't know if they're going to run that way, that way, if they want a snack, if they're going to poo themselves or weed themselves.

14:17I mean, it's like us really. Well, yeah. And they are, you know, the answering back, the tantrums, all of it. It's hard. It's hard. I've cried. Have you? Yeah, I've cried. Well, because they just, because of their behavior. It's a bit overwhelming, isn't it? Yeah, just I got slapped in the face by my daughter in public at a family do. And it's when someone sees it. But when I say sees it, I mean like they get it. And my husband's cousin, we're in Dublin and she's absolutely amazing. She's got three of her own kids. She saw this happen and she grabbed my daughter. I was holding her and she took her off me and she went, give me the baby.

14:58I'm really sorry if my Irish accent is s***. Gave her to Jessie and she went, come with me. She literally went to the bar. She went, drink this. And I was like, thank you. And it's when someone recognises what you're going through and they see it and they're like, I'm going to help you because I know how s*** this is. And that's when I get emotional. Oh my God, thank you so much. This is so hard. What a lovely thing to do. To look at you and recognise that you're doing your best and it doesn't matter. Anyone can do their best. but if a toddler's going to have a tantrum they are going to have a tantrum yeah um i took annabelle to a gymnastics group last week and she just had this tantrum where i was like oh my god and i felt really like i got sweaty oh because i was like she wanted to wear certain clothes and then she didn't want she wanted a certain dummy and i was trying to get the dummy off her and and all of a sudden you that's when you get yourself worked up and become overwhelmed and you're actually she's two like this is a developmental stage where she's expressing herself she can't communicate properly that's okay we just need to get through this phase it's not her fault she's just growing up it is a phase and if you're listening now with a toddler it is a phase and yes it can be really hard yeah we've got news that there shan and tay have had their little baby boy and he's absolutely gorgeous so congratulations that's incredible news um in at number seven we had comedian harriet kemsley on to talk about co-parenting and the one thing she found in a house post breakup i loved this episode that really made me laugh so funny talk us about your ex-partner's mold of a penis my husband's penis the fake one it's what is funny i just found it hilarious i literally just put it on um instagram like two days ago i was meant to just be promoting um we've got a live show of um a podcast single ladies and um i just happened to mention it it's just an aside and all week people have been talking to me about it you're like for God, stop mentioning things about your ex-husband's penis just in passing.

16:53Do you still have it? No, it's gone. It's finally gone. I don't know why I kept on it for so long. Why did I have it in the first place? Yes, good question. Very good question. Very good question, actually. So we did this TV show years ago called Pants on Fire for E4. And it was so fun. We did all these mad challenges. We went to Mexico City and we took part in a Lucha Libra wrestling competition. and um one of the challenges was that we got um cards I also I tattooed him so he has a tattoo at the moment um well it's it's it's actually worked out um I've kind of scarred him forever he has a tattoo that I did on his upper thigh um kind of right next to his penis of um of I've drawn myself and I've written my name underneath and it's so bad because like I'm not a tattoo artist i didn't like i got a brief training um but it looks like you know on those um primary school tea towels when they have like a picture of like a child is drawn to me that's that permanently permanently on him so apologies to any women um but it's me in the future buddy is permanently scarred any one of the things we did was we um got um plaster cast i've actually lost my vagina somewhere it's somewhere in the house it's somewhere in clapham we don't know

18:13you've lost your vagina somewhere in the house i've got it i've got it that's i'm gonna put that on my to-do list what if your daughter finds it and takes it to nursery for show and tell oh god yeah that would be imagine it was obviously post baby no it was pre-baby okay so it's probably nice yeah it's a nice time this is what she used to look like yeah put it on the wall reminder um yeah so uh so yeah he um he i found um i got a new sofa i found his um behind the sofa and then i was like it was funny because my friend had a tarot card reading on me um in february and she was like you're holding on to something about your eggs i don't know what it is you're holding on to and i was like i don't think i'm pulling stuff out like i've got dvds out i've got everything and then i was suddenly like it's his penis it's his penis behind the sofa that's what i've been holding on to um and so i took it i took it out and i put it i went to go put it we have like um where did you put it well on the estate where i live we have these bins um and um i went to go put it and then as i did it it like dropped on my foot so it's I just find it hilarious how she's broken up with her partner.

19:34Trying to like, you know, fresh start, clean start. And then the one thing that she finds behind her sofa is his penis. Spiritually, somebody was like, you're holding on to something. And she was like, I'm not. His is behind your sofa, hun. And so good to have somebody that was first up talking about co-parenting, divorce. and that like mature approach that her and her ex-partner have taken. Yeah, absolutely. You know, with looking after the little girl and prioritising her and stuff. It's really refreshing and nice to hear. Absolutely. In at number six, we had Ollie Locke. Now, he was our first dad on the pod.

20:08And honestly, we loved getting a peek into his journey to fatherhood. He proved that parenting completely strips even the chicest of parents. We have been quite lucky. they have been on 27 flights so far. Oh my word. That's impressive. So they were, when they were in Sunderland, there was a bit of an issue where, where they had to be flown down by an ambulance jet. Wow. Because it was too far to come in an ambulance. And so they started life on a little private jet. Oh my God. Which I think is quite fabulous. You loved it, didn't you? Yeah. Six months after that, we decided to go to Barbados in business.

20:50And that was quite wonderful. We had a lovely time, long flight, nightmare with the kids, but it was fine because they slept. Of course they did. And then... Yeah, of course they did. Of course they did because they're sleepers. What was the nightmare then on the plane? Well, then we went to Ireland and they cried the entire journey. And I was like, this is a nightmare. And I realized... So you're sitting in an hour. Well, I realized why. I realized what that... Someone said, well, first flight. I said, no, it's actually their 15th flight. And it's... They started off on a private jet. They've been business.

21:16Now they're in economy. That's why they're crying. Oh my God, that's brilliant. From now on, it's like the only business. That's it. Oh my gosh. Yeah, don't you think it must have been super hard? First time that transition as a parent with two babies, changing nappies in an incubator, you know how small they are? And that would be like a boom. It was great talking to Ollie actually, having his take on fatherhood in a gay relationship, the journey that they went through. And I love how he was like, we started off the kids flying business class and then we were in coach and that's why they cried.

21:46and we were like, of course they cried. I think they probably cry because it's a flight, not that they're flying in coach. But I thought that was hilarious. We found that one tough because he was saying that his kids sleep so much. Oh my, we were like, what's your parenting fail? I don't think I have any. Yeah, we wanted like, oh, they're up every hour. We've got twins for crying out loud, twins. And they just sleep like absolute dreams. But he does have a nanny. Yeah, he does have a nanny. I think if anyone had a full-time nanny, they might sleep. For our number five moment, we had the brilliantly wonderful, full of energy, vigor and life, Anna Williamson.

22:20We absolutely love her. We discussed the data for couples having sex and actually how to keep the spark going in your relationship after you have kids. OK, what advice would you give to parents that are listening? I'm not just saying mums. In terms of like having date nights, keeping your sex life going, sex and communication are so important. how do you advise people to keep that alive when you've got children you're working you're knackered and you want to sleep like how do you do it and it well firstly the first thing to recognize is it's hard yeah it is hard you're in the treasure well it is babe i understand if you're lucky it is sorry um it's it's difficult i think the first thing to recognize you know accept that that you you know you're in the same boat as everybody else and don't compare yourself to everybody i mean I think there's some wild stats going around that, you know, the average couple has sex once a week.

23:12I mean, I think that is wide of the mark, but I know. No, no. I mean, yeah, sorry. I did an Instagram poll on my stories. Oh, go on. And I said, you know, how often do you have sex with your partner? What's the data? Yeah, what do you do? The data I got was, well, yeah, was once every three months. There you go. Yeah, I was just going to say. Yeah, I think, yeah, there you go. Once every three months was the average. Was the average, yeah. And I was going to say, yeah, my research, I would say not far off that. But I think this sort of wildly inaccurate once every week is, you know, again, it's, and I think, I mean, I mean, but look, it is what it is to everybody.

23:47Okay. I mean, I certainly am not having it once a week, but you never know. Every now and again, we might, do you ever get this when suddenly, we're out of the house if we're on holiday or something. Oh my God. But you suddenly feel like you're reborn. I'm just like, we're totally doing it. It's like the ovulation cold every day on holiday. I spat everywhere I was that excited. Three days. I'm only horny three days a month, the ovulation three days. But as you say, I mean, over the summer holidays, yeah, we went away with the kids. They'd gone to sleep. Of course they had interconnecting room.

24:15Your daughter didn't know, did she? She didn't bloody get to sleep, Hannah. No, that was an iPad. Get the iPad on. Okay, we're done. Go to sleep. Yeah, and it was like, fancy a shower. Yeah, go on then. And it was like, oh my God. We even said to him, I mean, this is how sad it is. we even fist pumped each other. I wonder what you were going to say. I was going to say something else. I was like, I thought this was a long show. I'm not going to reveal everything about my sex life, but let me tell you what we do with our fist on holiday. That's now going to be clipped up to. And we fisted and that's going to be a clip now.

24:46Brilliant. I do think she was one of my favorite episodes. I feel like we really, really chatted. Yeah. Like I know that we do with all our guests, but I felt like had someone just cracked open a bottle of wine would have stayed her all night yeah and it's nice actually to hear how often do other couples have sex and how how much do other couples prioritize it because you know you have a kid two kids three kids whatever you've got a job you're busy you want to see your friends and have a tidy house and all like we said we talk about this mental load yeah then all of a sudden like that intimacy with your partner is sometimes like well I've got other things to do I need to do the iron in or I need to do and then you think back to the beginning of your relationship where you used to be like you know really spicy and stuff and then all of a sudden it's like a couple of kids deep you're not very confident with your body then all of a sudden you think oh am I am I different because I don't really want to do it at the moment now our next guest when we heard she was up for coming on the pod we both just could not believe it now Davina is an icon though isn't she she's a national treasure with everything that she's gone through and still to be so positive and upbeat is just a sign of an amazing person.

25:56I had like quite a disjointed childhood. So I was born, my mum had preeclampsia. So my granny had, my granny saved my life. And she said to my mum, I don't think you're well. I'm going to take you to hospital right now. And she had an emergency cesarean there and then, and I was a month premature. So my mum, she was kind of the OG wild child, unbearably gorgeous, wild, hadn't been brilliantly parented herself, had been given money really, but no parental love or guidance. And so just didn't have the tools to do it. I understand all of that a lot better now. I'm a bit older at the time. I found it a bit confusing.

26:47But when I was three or four, my mom and dad split up and my mom took me to my granny's, my dad's mom, Pippi, legend. And my mom said, I'm going to go on a ski holiday and I'll come back and get you. And she didn't come back. Now, I'm not trying to paint. I'm not a victim and I'm not. But it set me up on a people might not show up kind of trajectory so your barrier was up would you so well no I just didn't feel safe right we were talking about that earlier right about feeling safe and how important it is for kids yeah boundaries make you feel safe and when somebody stands by the boundary if you do that again we are not going to the family party that we've all been looking forward to for three months and they do it again then we did not go to the family party that we'd all been looking forward to as much as I wanted to go and I thought to myself I must not make a boundary like that again why did I not do her or you can't have sticky toffee pudding after dinner like what a stupid boundary but I would have to stick to it yeah because I knew it made them feel safe she does what she says she's gonna do yeah absolutely so that you know me not feeling safe in my childhood knew that I wanted my kids to feel safe in their space and nurtured and loved that's good um I remember I um on the first day of nursery the first day of term for nursery started at midday.

28:28I finished at midday, but the first term of nursery for newbies would finish at 11 and I forgot. And I turned up at midday and they'd gone and everybody'd gone. And a friend of mine had picked up, I think it was Tilly, and taken her back to her house. It was very triggering for me. So I used to get forgotten at the airport. When I went to visit my mum, she wouldn't be there. this sounds like a very high class problem but I got forgotten at ski school I was constantly being taken back I went skiing when I was a little girl with my mum constantly getting taken back to the ski instructor's house again not a sob story but what it meant was when I was late for Tilly once I was catatonic I mean I've never cried so hard I was driving over to my friend's house I was I turned up and she's having a lovely time playing with her friend in the garden.

29:23And my friend was so good with me. She talked me down. She said, this is normal. Yeah. Because it's triggered you in some way. But what you've done today is completely normal parenting, i.e., you made a mistake. Yeah. Yeah. And so now what she taught me then, I mean, I've learned, I have learned the best life lessons from being a parent and from my children, right? I guess you have too. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Sorry. No, I was going to ask you about how you parent now, like now that your children are in their 20s. What I love about that moment was she taught me that it was all right to say, I'm really sorry.

30:05I made a mistake. Yeah. But because my children felt safe, they accepted that. I knew that it wasn't going to be every single time. And they went, oh, that's fine. Don't worry. There's no resentment there, is there? And then what they started doing and what they still do now is say to me, I'm sorry, mum, I made a mistake. And I'll go, it's fine. Don't worry. We all do. And that's one of my most favorite things. And that came from something that happened with my mum that taught me a brilliant lesson you know what I mean in the long run. That's a lovely way to put it actually. So nothing is bad, nothing.