Amy Childs On Getting A Boob Job At 17, Her Dad Calling Her A Freak & Why She Regrets Her Cosmetic Surgery

0:00Amy Childs:Coming up, the legendary Amy Childs. Woo! Girls, thank you. I just made the bejazzle famous. I'd actually get people get their bejazzles out to me. That's how famous it was. I saw loads of nuns. Shut up! Just got married. Got married three weeks ago. Oh. I was in a big wedding dress. Because listen, Amy Childs has got to have a big dress, hasn't she? Amy Childs is big dressed. Did you have drama with your wedding? Honestly, going back to it, it was really tough. Like, look back now and I can't believe me and Bill are actually married because I thought we was going to be divorced before we got married.

0:27Amy Childs:A week before my 18th, I had a boob job. Then done TOWIE and had all these clinics going to me, can we give you a free boob job, Amy? So then that was it. I went even bigger. I then got addicted to cosmetic surgery.

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2:44In the meantime, Inka is on my laptop doing Numbots. My WhatsApp is on my laptop. So it pings up and she sees it on my laptop and she can read. So she saw this and this particular day at school, she had a fallout with this girl. The girl whose party it was. Yes. So Inka managed to delete my message. And then she writes her own message, which was very aggressive and just said, I am not coming to this party. But then loads of angry faces. In the meantime, another mum replies, seen the message. Another mum replies saying, we'll be there. Thanks so much. Inca replies again, saying, I'm not coming because you were playing with Gogi in the playground.

3:33I think she meant Georgie. And I didn't realise this was happening and then other messages were coming in from the other parents saying yeah of course we'd love to be there and so how did it come about going on the radio then it was on radio too and the only reason I know that is because I had loads of messages on Instagram saying oh I've just heard your story on the radio about Inca going into your whatsapp and I was like oh my god so then I just went into BBC sounds and just listened to it and they did obviously I told my daughter off But there was a part of me that was like, I found it quite funny.

4:06And I was thinking, well, there's my fail this week. Every cloud. Yeah. But the comments on the reel were hilarious in itself. You know, people were actually saying, you know, be more Inca. And she won't necessarily realize, well, she won't realize that it's actually gone to all the other mums for them to read and stuff like that. She'll just be thinking, you know what? I actually don't want to go to it. And the innocence in it is so endearing, isn't it? Yeah, I know. I know. Bless her. she's um I've always said she'll either end up being a multi-millionaire or she'll be in prison there is no in between anyone tell me about your fails uh well I've my fail is again I would love some um support on this one and some help on it because this is something that haven't faced before oh okay I don't know is it a fail I don't know but I would love people to comment on youtube about this and give me advice yeah um so screen time phones are quite you know everyone's got different opinions on it yeah so my opinion on it is my nine-year-old who is nearly 10 um he's like my some of my friends have got phones bradley basically had got the my work phone and he'd been like he'd sneaked the phone upstairs and my husband found the phone the next day and was like why have you brought the phone upstairs and what were you watching because bradley had been really tired for a couple of days on a morning so i was horrified because i was like he shouldn't at age nine he shouldn't be getting a phone no and and then he said to my husband all my friends have got mobile phones but you're allowed to watch i said to bradley when you go to secondary school we can talk about he's in year five like he doesn't need a phone but then am i being a bit narrow-minded i mean i don't think so i mean it is a bit of a it's a very sensitive subject you know we're all parents are navigating it we're all trying to navigate it and it's very difficult when at the moment we don't have any proper laws or restrictions or regulations in place and they see other kids with phones and that's that's a difficult bit yeah and that's like when they see other kids with phones well they've got one so why can't i have one and then it's like the parents the bad guy and that's exactly what bradley said like oh my friends have all got mobile phones and i'm like hold on a second firstly who's buying you a phone like he's too young to understand how expensive they are so i get bradley a phone he walks to school someone goes past goes past him and nicks it it's then going to be my problem to try and replace it for him and deal with the trauma and deal with that um because they don't have that understanding i just wish somebody could say listen kids aren't allowed phones until they're 13 or if they have it you know just a phone like social media 16 like there needs to be then we understand as parents that we know we're doing the right thing.

6:45So we're all on the same page. Yeah. I mean, you know, you could say with phones now and parents, there is, wait for it, drum roll, there's no parental guidance. Oh, Louise, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Thanks very much. But like, you know, back in our day, there was like one house phone. No, we had two because I remember whenever my sister was on the phone, I'd pick up the other receiver and I'd listen to her phone call. And you'd have to breathe really quietly. I used to get like a towel or something and put it over the mouthpiece of it. Otherwise, my brother would be like, Hannah. Yeah. And then you'd have to stop speaking before 60 minutes because then it was free.

7:20Do you want to go home and your answering mission would be flickering? Oh, if you went on holiday or speaking. That's what it was. Hiya, Hannah. It's Nina. Are you playing? But I actually miss those days. I miss those days. Or being able to slam the phone down if you're really angry. Yeah. Just like, yeah, I'm not coming out anyway. Dush. Whereas now it's like, you know, you can't really, with the mobile phone. not really the same effect i know and the thing is now people i've got like a watch if someone rings me like if my husband rings me i can't be like oh i didn't see it no it's because it's he knows it rings on my watch and i have my phone with me at all times yeah our phone's behind our pillows right now yeah i know like yeah every as soon as we finish recording the first thing we both do is pick our phones up and it's not the school call it's the school that we're checking and worrying that there's a problem because they're not going to ring our partners um but i do remember Back in the day, I used to love listening to conversations and my brother would be on the phone and I would always pick it up and be like, oh, and then to see if there's anything juicy and I could grass on him and tell my parents.

8:24There was a time where both my sister and I were dating a guy called Lee and the house phone would go and my mum would pick up and she'd be like, oh, hi, Lee. And my sister would be like, which one? Which one? Is it mine? And it was always my sisters, Lee. And I used to get really upset. And I think that's why I listened to their phone calls. Did you have a fight with your sister growing up? Because that must be. Oh, God, yeah. Did you? Oh, God, yeah. I can't imagine the dynamic with two girls. Oh, no, we did. Like clothes, makeup. Because you're both the same height, everything. I mean, we're so close.

9:00You know how close we are. But yeah, two teenagers. I remember once slamming the door in her face. Did you? Like really slamming? I didn't mean to. I didn't mean to Louise I did mean to she was like standing outside my bedroom door and I just slammed the bedroom door to be fair she was probably too close to the door and yeah got her in the face but then you know I was sitting on the toilet minding my own business and she came in and did that fake punching like missing me by like a millimetre and then actually did punch me and I had a bleeding nose whilst I was trying to work my arse that was nice and that was proper lush and did you have like did your cycles like your periods and stuff align together because i'm just thinking from your mum's point of view and she was going through the menopause and she had two teenage daughters with their periods yeah and did you were you all in sync yeah because they say that's the thing isn't it that you'd be in sync with sisters and mums and i remember once she took the last tampon i was fuming before amazon before delivery oh god you couldn't just order them you had to like actually go to the shop physically go yeah or use loo roll when shops would be open at like not the hours that they're open now i was feeling she's the woman who quite literally defined an era of british tv introducing us to the vajazzle and making shut up a national catchphrase please welcome the legendary amy Charles.

10:27Woo! Girls, thank you. Hello. What a lovely introductory to me. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you, lovely. And you're looking gorgeous. Thank you very much. We're white. Stunning. Just got married. Yeah. Yeah, got married three weeks ago. Oh, congratulations. Was it all it was? Three weeks ago. Yeah, three weeks ago. How was it?

10:46Amy Childs:It was so, honestly, we had such a lovely day. What it is, I've actually got two weddings. Yeah. So. Sorry, can we just look at that rock on your finger? Boy done good. I was always saying, But he did take a little while to propose to me. So, you know, he said, you know, you're going to wait. But no, he'd done lovely. But no, the wedding was really lovely. It just was, it went so quickly. It does. Describe it to us like what was the vibe of the day. So we got up in the morning and we sat at Claridge's, which was lovely. It was there for three days. Oh, did you? This was our legal wedding. And I think people, I'm going to go on to that in a minute, but I've had people go and go to me, is that it, Amy?

11:22Amy Childs:Was that your wedding? Oh. Because I'm having two weddings. So I've got my next wedding in September with all of our friends and family. Oh, lovely. And is that because you're getting married abroad? Because we're doing a big wedding abroad. I think that totally makes sense. I like that. I kind of wish I'd done that. I really wish I'd had two because it does go really quickly. It does. And I just felt, so the minute I woke up, I felt a little bit overwhelmed. I wanted the kids to, Millie didn't want to get dressed. She didn't put the bridesmaid's dress on. Polly didn't really like the bridesmaid's dress.

11:50Amy Childs:That was literally at 10 o 'clock. We was getting married at 12 o 'clock. We then got married at Marleybone. Lovely. So we got married in a room, and I found out yesterday that Paul McCartney got married in the same room. Did he? Shut up. Shut up. It was good. It was good. He got married, but yeah, it was nice. And then we then went to a little Italian around the corner. I was in a big wedding dress. It's a big wedding dress. It was like, yeah, like a wedding dress. Went to a little Italian, all the family. I got all spaghetti down me. The dress needs a dry clean, girls, by the way. Oh, God. All spaghetti was down.

12:23Amy Childs:But it was just, I'm never going to forget this day, you know. And I think my wedding in September is going to be amazing. It's going to be beautiful. But that meant so much to me. Of course. My London wedding was a lot. And did you have drama with your wedding dress or something? Didn't have a wedding dress two days before. Why? What happened? The stylist come round and he's a lovely friend of mine. And do you know what? It was actually, I'm actually going to blame it on myself. Because I'm a little bit laid back. I'm a very laid back. I thought the dress is going to be lovely. The dress wasn't for me.

12:50Amy Childs:and I left and I thought it's going to be amazing when I tried the dress on I thought don't like it two days before so this was this was a week before and then I then the next day I was like okay I'll find something I literally did wait two days before I went to a lovely little boutique in Essex in Jigwell and I do rely on Deborah a lot the dressmaker and she found me a dress and I walked in there and it was the dress wow so yeah were you not stressed from that Very chilled person, me. I think I'm a little bit too chilled. That's what my husband says. Husband now. Oh, your husband. My husband.

13:23Amy Childs:Nice to say that. Oh, I love that. And Bill says to me, you are very relaxed. I think maybe I'm too relaxed. But now I've got the wedding in Spain in September, which we still, it's not long. No. I haven't got a dress for that wedding. And I do want four dresses. But you spilled spaghetti on yours. Don't put your dress in the washing machine. I did that with my wedding dress. Did you? And the whole thing shrunk. Did you not go to dry cleaners? No. I didn't. No. I was like, I'm not spending that much money on dry clean. Is it all right? Yeah, I would put it in the washing machine. Oh, my God. Big mistake.

13:50Oh, no. Don't, don't, don't recommend it. Did you have any bridesmaids?

13:55Amy Childs:So Polly, Millie. So Polly, Millie and... And they're yours daughters? They're my daughters. So quickly, so I've got Polly, she's nine. Richie, who is seven. And I've got the twins, Billy and Millie. So she's actually Amelia, but I actually preferred Millie. Billy and Millie, the twins. Oh, that's really cute. Billy and Millie. And then your husband's Billy. as well but you're calling Bill. Okay so can I just tell you something so my dad's Bill, my husband's Bill, my brother's Bill, my granddad's Bill, my little boy's Bill, my nephew's Bill. And then you have another baby in call that Bill as well.

14:29So I just thought, do you know what? What's up? Definitely not Billy No Mates. I don't know why, I don't know why, I just don't know and then when I met Bill in London then I went, what's your name, Bill? I thought, oh no, I can't meet a Bill. And what's your thoughts on your daughter or your kids having surgery and stuff? How old were you when you had your first bit of surgery? So I was 17.

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16:38Amy Childs:I had a boob job. Yeah. And honestly, like, if I, and that's the thing, if I've got to go through this with poly, I really hope I haven't got to go through this poly. I haven't got to. But my big thing in my life has been surgery regrets massively. I regret having surgery so young. Do you? Would you have had it in your 20s? Would you have had a boob job in your 20s? I definitely would have had it in my 20s, but I was like, so what happened to me, I stopped playing with dolls at 13, and then I grew up so quickly like I don't know what it was then I had a few boy like boyfriend I don't know what happened mum and dad you know they've all they put me they put me into a private school for all of my life I've been private educated from four to 16 um I was in a really lovely school I was just and then all of a sudden I don't know what happened and then I was reading these magazines I was like no I want my boobs like that I had no boobs I literally was a double weight flat chested um and yeah when I got to 17 saved all my money up and I said mum I said you know I've got my boobs done mum was a bit like you know hesitant like really do you want this I said mum I do you know I've really but the thing about mum as well we did go to the best surgeon in the UK you know she didn't want me to have it done but we went there and and I was still growing at the end of the day the bottom line of this all my body was still growing yeah 18 you know it was a week before I was 18 so literally 18 had these big double d's we weren't double d's They was like D, but I was so flat chested.

18:04Did you like them when you first had them done? Loved them. That's good, that's good. Yeah, good.

18:08Amy Childs:You know, I used to, you know, go, you know, to these under-18, you know, like before, back in the day, like under-18 nightclub. And I used to fill my chicken, I used to fill with chicken fillets in my bra. Oh, yes, chicken fillets. I was so insecure. I had those, yeah. And I remember going to the sugar hut, right? I had so many chicken fillets in. I got one and I literally got one and just threw them up, right? And it stuck on the wall. No. And I went there the week, the next week, and it was still there, like my two chicken fillets. So technically, I do regret having, it was so funny. I do regret having Sedgehog's so young, but I was so insecure with my boobs.

18:42Amy Childs:Because I was so, I literally, I was literally pigeon-chest. Just anyone watching or listening, just chicken fillets are, it's like a silicone, you stuff it in your bra and it looks like a chicken fillet. It's like a gel, sometimes a gel, the gel, and then literally just stuck to. makes your boobs like literally had such a flashback then because it used to be like you'd go out with the girls and be like oh my god your boobs look amazing we've got your chicken fillets in yeah it's like yeah or then you'd meet a guy and you'd have to like quickly shuffle them out I know and so they didn't see it when my uh my nana passed away years ago and her requirement like when she was laid to rest she wanted a chicken fillets in she did she did oh my god I love that did you do it yeah my mum was tonguing her hair in like a coffin and stuff and she had chicken fillets no Yeah, you just think, like...

19:29Wow, we still want to look good even when we're dead. We still want to look good even when we're not here. Wow. But that was such a thing, wasn't it, when we were teenagers? The chicken fillets, I know.

19:37Amy Childs:But I'm talking that I had, like, three chicken fillets in. That's how much I had. I had no boobs. And I had, like, pigeon chest. So I looked, there was nothing there. Did you get any, like, comments from boys? At school I did. From girls and boys? No, just boys at school. Bastards. And it was a really lovely school. And I just, yeah, just basically, oh, she ain't got no boobs. I don't know. I just, I can't even really remember. but having a daughter I'm like I just hope Polly ain't gonna go through it but then what happened to me then done tell we and then when you're in this such massive tv show because when it first come out I can tell you it was just everywhere and I had all these clinics going to me can we give you free voodra by me we'll give you this whatever and I was like brilliant this is this is what this is what I'm all about so then 22 that was it I went even bigger so I just dyed these d boobs and then at one point I was like a double f so I was so tiny in these massive boobs it was the look at the time yeah it was that big look the massive lips oh that was another thing then I went on to the lip so like I literally messed myself massively in my 20s completely so what have you had done then so I had my lips done I then got addicted to cosmic surgery like I generally did it's only when I got to about 20 this before I had poly 25 I looked in the mirror my dad said to me you're like a freak oh gosh and what would you have done at that point but did you Do you know what I've never had done?

20:53Amy Childs:I've never had my cheeks done. I've never had my, I've always obviously had my lips done, but I've never had cheek implants. I've never had no, nothing like chin filler. So it was just lips and boobs? It was just lips and boobs, you know, obviously a bit of Botox. Yeah. But what did you feel when he said that? That must have been, did you agree? No, but I think in the end, I looked in the mirror and I thought, I thought I just looked so good. And it's only when I look back now, I'm going to show you some pictures. I thought, Amy, what on earth did you look like? and I've actually showed Polly these pictures as well I've actually said to Polly that's what mum used to look like she goes God the state of view it's true I'm so glad she sees this because if she ever did want to have surgery when she's old I'll go look look what happened to your mum you know I've documented all of it you know I did a BBC One show about my surgery regrets you know yeah yeah but look at the time you think you look amazing and generally you actually really don't but like all the other girls in Essex at the time until we were getting the same thing I look probably the worst one I had the biggest lips I think you look amazing by the way.

21:49Thank you honey. And just saying with four kids you look unreal. Yeah you look phenomenal. And how are you now with your body now like postpartum like after kids like we talked earlier before we started recording about our tummies and how they're all like.

22:00Amy Childs:Oh yeah of course yeah I've got the I've got everything I've got the so with the twins I had to have emergency c-section. I was already to go natural girls you know I had two natural births with Polly and Rich so basically the nurse said to me you've had two natural births you're having twins you can just go natural again. Oh you're like of course I can thanks. Hindsight's an amazing thing by the way girls yeah looking back at it now why don't you have a c-section um so basically i was in a bit of yeah so so i billy was head down twin one head down the perfect amy ready to go sat there and they've checked me with the doctor then i've had 20 midwives come in i thought this what's going on now so basically the cold was coming away from billy's it's coming away from him so if i'd have had a home dangerous it's it's called a prolapse cold it's yeah it happens three percent three percent of it's what happened so you'd had so so basically if i had a home birth the baby wouldn't wouldn't have survived oh my gosh so after i saw like i did see like a cancer after because i was really affected by it because he would he would never have made it oh my god so basically the midwife said to me amy just so you know we've got the babies we've got the babies cold i've got it you need a regular c-section oh my god after you've just given birth to one baby so now this is like literally twins so now i've got head down i mean labor i've got labor pain as in like you'd You'd had the first baby.

23:12Amy Childs:No, so you're literally like about to give birth. About to give birth, literally. And then I said, I've got contractions. And then they've checked me and then they're doing all this, you know, you just know, don't you? They're all doing it. And I'm going, the baby all right? All good, you know? Me and Bill are sitting there. And I'm saying to Bill, come on, I said, I've got a seco tonight. Like, you know, and the baby's come. And all of a sudden, it just went from like, it was like really traumatic. Like they basically had this, I've got the baby's called. And that emergency section, this was at 7 o 'clock.

23:36Amy Childs:He was born at 7.01. Oh, my gosh. they got him out quickly they got him out 701 and then 702 meals come oh my gosh so yeah i didn't even know they could do that quickly well it was one minute that's how quick it was wow bill's gonna pass out i'm gonna come bill you ain't got passed down i thought what are you like he just was useless in the end like he's just gonna fall because it was so traumatic and i look back now and it just and i was like really being strong and then all of a sudden like being cut open so going back to that like I've got the c-section scar like the over fault overhanging yeah yeah I was really happy with Polly and Richie like I didn't want any more children then I met Bill who was the love of my life and he said to me you know I'm 40 and I'd love a baby one day I thought I can't I couldn't think of anything worse you know I've got my kids you know I'm really happy and then I thought okay I said to mum I said mum you know I think Bill would like a baby one day obviously it was with Bill a year and a half and I thought okay I took the coil out I thought oh you know one would be fine and it went it was twins when you went for the scan did you have any what week did you have your scan did you have any inclination so an early scan at 5 weeks so with poly it actually took me 2.5 years to have poly and I was about to go through IVF and I went to Harley Street and this amazing doctor said to me I'm going to put you on Clomid because I don't think you're ovulating so we checked my ovaries and actually I wasn't ovulating and then that month I was actually pregnant with Polly.

25:03Amy Childs:So all it was was I was inovulating. They put me on Clomid, so then I had Polly, my miracle child. Is she my favourite child? I think she is. Is that because she's your favourite? I think she's my first one and she's just, honestly, it was just the most amazing thing being pregnant because I really did so much and two and a half years, it was a long time really. So when she was born then, were you already split up with her father? Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah, he really, yeah, it wasn't. Yeah, bless you, that must have been really hard. It was hard. And it was my mum. But my mum basically moved in, mum and dad.

25:34Amy Childs:And then we was all together. So he's never met Polly? No. Wow. Does she ask any questions? Sorry, no, he has met Polly. But do you know what? I never, ever speak about, I don't ever speak about Polly's dad. So I'm not going to be on here speaking about him. It's because of Polly, do you know what I mean? She's going to grow up one day and she's going to say to me, mum, who is my dad? But the minute she doesn't know anything about her dad, she thinks her dad's my bill. so it's been tough it really has it's hard it was really tough you know but I think with me I wanted it so much and all I wanted I had everything in my life you know I was you know in the public eye I was filming you know I was financially stable I generally was you know I had good money that's always the hardest bit when you think how am I going to afford it if you're on like a single income yeah like the average person would be like I literally I can't I'm gonna have to move in with my parents exactly yeah they moved in with me i thought i said mama you gotta help me you know which is lovely yeah what year was she born she was born 2017 which is when you got the award for mom of the year so i got mom of the year yeah and that's you must have been like yes come on yeah it was lovely to get that award yeah i don't know if i had mom of the year not gonna lie to you i don't think i'm mom of the year but look i do my best yeah i win every day we're all we're we're all winging it every day that is literally winging it every day it's hard you know and polly now she's nine she's like she honestly she's amazing she struggles at school she's severely dyslexic right so we've got the diagnosis i'm dyslexic yeah so she's severely dyslexic so she got diagnosed at five which when i look at polly it's like looking at me she's very similar to me you know we do struggle with our words and we get our words like mumble jumble she tries the hardest like at school i always tried my hardest like we are the same child i'm so honestly i'm so proud of her and I you know I really am she's a she's amazing what was the jump like from two to then having yeah it was yeah it was tough that that jump was tough let me go back to when they told me it was twins yeah the five-week scan they've obviously done my scan they said oh there's two sacks there I was like oh lovely like that thinking she said but that actually means it could be twins and I thought oh no she's got it wrong so then I said well she but she said but Sometimes what happens, one twin will just go.

27:46Amy Childs:Is it called twin syndrome? Right. One can just disappear. It's actually quite common, really. So I've gone on holiday with Bill, and I said, Bill, just really hope that, it sounds awful to say, that I would like just one, I just need one, because I don't think I could handle two. Yep, they was twins. At the nine-week scan, congratulations, it's twins, lovely. Oh, my God. So I got out of the room, and I was thrown up. Not because I had that, because I think I just was so nervous. It was the fear. It was the fear of having the twins. They are amazing, like, honestly. But it is really tough with twins.

28:18Amy Childs:If I would have had the twins first, would I have had any more children? Absolutely not. Yeah. I'd actually love to know, anyone at home watching this, if they could comment on YouTube, like, the jump that they've gone from two to four twins, like, triplets. Or which you found hardest, where they're having, like, single babies. Yeah, I'd love to know. Also, can we just say, why is everyone having twins, by the way, now? Do you not think that everyone's actually having twins? I do. There definitely are more twins around. back in the day there was never twin no but is that because of IVF I didn't have IVF no no no no but I mean that's what it is yeah cool definitely but all of my friends they've not had IVF oh really it's something in the Essex water maybe it's something in the Essex water so girls if you want to have a baby be careful it's not going to be twins oh I'm done babe shop's closed yeah I'm done and what was Hannah done yeah we keep talking about that but as you got home that transition of being there with two newborn babies didn't join you Who were the children?