Chloe Madeley Opens Up: Divorce, Single Mom Life & Postpartum Struggles

0:00Hannah:Now before we get into today's episode, let's have a little chat about National Thank a Teacher Day, this year supported by Tesco. It's all about celebrating those teachers and support staff who do way more than just teach. The ones helping kids grow in confidence, settle into routines and somehow locate Oscar's missing jumper. Tesco recognises the important role teachers and support staff play. So when you thank a teacher, their school could benefit from Tesco's free fruit and veg for schools programme and also be in with a chance of winning£1 ,000 Tesco Fruit and Veg Grant. And we'll be asking today's guest all about the teacher who inspired them, along with all the usual parenting chaos.

0:38Hannah:Enjoy the episode and remember to get those thank yous in before National Thank a Teacher Day on the 17th of June. Head over to our Instagram where you'll find a link to the website. Coming up, the brilliant Chloe Maidley. Yeah! Hi! I am actually ovulating. Are you? Yeah. I wonder why you dry hump in the shell. I was like, calm down. When I was a teenager, I don't know if I should tell this story. Absolutely. You should. And I was like, mom, I'm on my period. Do you have anything? She was like, oh my God, let me look. And then my dad, oh, see, this is what I mean. Like he'd taken the blue roll and he'd like wrapped it up really, really, really tight and like twisted it and twisted it.

1:17And he was like, I made you this. And my dad was like, what? I thought it was a good idea. And she was like, oh, Richard, don't be so stupid.

1:31Hannah:Hello darling. Hi. How are you doing? It's so good to be back. It's so nice to be back. You're looking gorgeous. Loving the red. Oh thanks. So are you. Love the boots. I know. John Lewis member. We just fangirl each other. I know we do. Oh my god I love your outfits. Gorgeous. Love it. What are you up to? What's been going on? Well I start my tour tonight. Do you? My tour kicks off. Oh my god. Express yourself. Yeah it starts to get absolutely petrified. I'm literally shaking already. Good. That's good. It's good to have nerves. But yeah my first show tonight kicks off in Reading. have you been to Reading before?

1:59Hannah:I went to Reading Festival years ago in fact I was pregnant but I didn't know and I felt awful I took two pregnancy tests thinking that maybe something's off because I may have missed up my pill a little bit we all do it it'll be fine I've missed my pill five days in a row it's not going to happen to me I'm a responsible woman I missed it for five days and then all of a sudden I felt really rubbish but I so I was doing these pregnancy tests and they were both negative and then really weirdly as if nature like my body was trying to tell me like get yourself to the doctor I got really bad cystitis um like when your kidneys or something like it just my whole body was in so much pain so I went to the doctor he said but just to be sure we'll do another test now right so I'm like fine I thought nothing of it I think I was scrolling on Facebook when he went looked at the test he went okay so you're pregnant I was like what my body just went really hot like I just overheated and I took all my clothes off so I was just then the doctor really misinterpreted what was going on there so then I was just in this doctor's surgery oh Louise is acting like she's having a smear test so this is how you got pregnant um so I took all my clothes off and he was like do you want to lie down on the bed and I was like yeah I think I need to um boiling like you know thinking everything in my head like what have I done in the last 10 weeks I've had wine um I've been taking all these vitamins that maybe you're not allowed to have like as soon as you find out you're pregnant you realize I can't do that I can't do that shouldn't do that but I've done it all and what were your family's reactions because I guess you'd be like 10 weeks pregnant ready to have your 12-week scan yeah imminently like two weeks later we had our scan and then um told the family over dinner uh you mean tea breakfast dinner and tea for all the Yorkshire people out there Louise means tea and for the southern people out there that talk properly supper I met a friend once she was like let's meet for dinner and at uni and I was like okay cool so then I turned up to the location we were meeting in Sheffield and sat down and I text her I was like are you coming she's like yeah we're meeting for dinner and I was like yeah I'm here waiting what's dinner for you well breakfast dinner and tea oh dinner's lunch yeah that's very confusing yes I was there at 12 o 'clock waiting for her in this restaurant and like they're only just like sorting the napkins out and i was like i'm meeting a friend from a dinner and she's southern so she was just like you absolute head yeah i'll see you at like 5 30 for dinner i guess but at school they call a dinner lady a dinner lady and that's lunch that is my point right so your dinner ladies are gonna are there at dinner time i mean this is a debate we could go on for hours but it's breakfast dinner and tea in yorkshire no no no it's breakfast lunch breakfast breakfast breakfast breakfast lunch dinner or breakfast lunch supper what do you call it when you make uh like lunch boxes you know if you make your kids their lunch at school yeah what do you call the boxes you put stuff into a lunch box so i i call it a bait box a what bay bait a bait box like fishing like a bait box yeah so i'll be like i'll get you get your bait boxes but some of the stuff I say to my kids like Yorkshire phrases and they're like what because obviously like we're there we live in in Loughborough in Leicestershire yeah so and because my mum was Scottish and my dad was Irish or dad is Irish he wasn't was he is Irish and like some of the stuff that the I phrases I come out with I'm just like the kids don't understand a word of what they're saying or I'm saying I don't understand kids these days all the stuff that they're saying slang one of the things i don't know if you must have seen this because it's apparently worldwide as the whole six seven six seven all right it actually it's been banned i think it's been banned from schools now to say six six seven i'm gonna start doing that now my son said to me the other day so mystique came on i had it on in my car mystique so i was like high five showtime yeah and i was like oh and bradley was like mummy that's so cringe Oh yeah, the word cringe annoys me.

6:27But he's never said that to me before. I was devastated. I get that quite a bit. And I was like, what do you mean it's cringe? And he was like, you are so cringe. And I was like, I am not cringe. And then he goes, mummy, you're capping. Capping? Capping. I was like, capping what? What do you mean? I'm not putting a cat, we're driving to the dentist. What do you mean, child? And he said, that means lying. Capping is lying? Oh, that's so capping. And then my sons keep going, yeah, bruh. What are you saying, bruh?

6:52Hannah:Are they calling you bruh? No, but they're... are they calling you bro i get called bra my um 13 year old uh let that slip the other day he he said mummy he's not said mommy for a long time he went mummy and i was like you were like you're in the kitchen no one can hear you and i was like oh you just said mummy i love that he was like shut up i didn't uh oh bro so i've got some slang phrases louise okay i want you to give me your interpretation okay yeah first one bet bet i know bet bet means yes it does yes okay for sure yeah bet yeah you're so cool louise um so cool ate and left no crumbs i don't know why i'm saying it like that i like it can you say it in a southern accent a london accent south london please south london i and left no crumbs that's actually not bad thanks um i'm guessing that means they finished something used when someone does an exceptional job at something i ate and left no crumbs yeah i like that yes so finish some finish something yeah fine okay beige flag beige flag i would assume that means that someone is boring like a personality trait that's neither good nor bad just quirky or strange beige flag i would say like oh if someone's a bit beige yeah a bit bland yeah yeah no cap no cap yeah truth no lie seriously yeah so the truth riz riz is like flirting like charisma you are have you looked at these no I have a teenage boy okay that's all they say do you have any phrases from like when you were younger like stuff they used to say can you remember at school what's up

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9:26Hannah:She's here to talk about it all, balancing her media work with a successful fitness career, mum life, the journey through divorce and how she is working to get her drive back after a major life shift. Please give a massive welcome to the brilliant Chloe Maidley. Yeah. Hi. Here she is. I feel like there should be an audience here. Well, they're listening. They are here, but we just can't see them. They're out there. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. I'm sorry it looks like I'm in my PJs. I live on the opposite side of London. So I was like, just get up, get your daughter to nursery and get there.

9:58And then when I walked in, I was like, oh. You look wicked. This is what the podcast is about. It's mum life. It's like, okay, everything matters about my child getting to where I need to be. And then you sit down and you're like, what am I wearing? I don't know. You do look gorgeous. and you smell amazing yes you do smell it's an amalgamation of scents um a narcissist because it's chloe evidently that's the perfume and then i also have like um a coconut spray i'm obsessed with coconut like it's a problem for me yeah and how are you what's been going on tell us everything oh you know what it's up to full disclosure let's just dive right in it's been a really rough couple of weeks with the divorce stuff but we are nearing the end now so i just have to like kind of keep my eyes on the prize and keep going but the last couple of weeks have really kicked my ass in terms of my stress levels this is a nice break this is like therapy this is let it all out yeah this is a nice and refreshing for other people to hear that's going through the same thing yeah um knowing that it's it's something to talk about and it is stressful and it does impact you mentally which can have a bit of a physical knock-on effect as well yeah yeah yeah it's been it's yeah it's it like i say the the intention as it always would be kind of like with your birth stories which I was talking to your producer about you can't I think most women go in with like I'm gonna do a water bath gas in air like you know no no c-section I might have a paracetamol when it starts to get painful when you say that and then I went in I had like category to emergency c-section that didn't go to plan and then it's kind of like that I think at least I presume or I would hope that most people especially with children involved go into separating and divorce like we're going to do it mediation no lawyers we're not going to go to court but it doesn't always pan out like that and it's so it is really unbelievably stressful especially when it's like your home money your child their future exactly how do you cope with that so you you guys separated how long ago two years ago two years and did you live together after the separation Yeah, really lucky in that, you know, when we broke up, James, he was rarely, he's rarely in London, like he's all, he's everywhere all the time.

12:12So it was a really easy transition of he was like never there anyway. He moved out in like the spring of 2025. So but he was like, he's never there. So it's fine. And then when he was my parents lived down the road. So if I just needed to get out and sleep, to be honest, yeah, main thing like that. I'm still obsessed. being like a single mom yeah a lot of the time oh my god it's it's so exhausting so I would just go to my parents house and sleep for one to two days whatever and then go back and it and continuously well yeah pop a night all out I'll see you on Thursday it's Tuesday night I mean but there were always always naps during those days because I was just so exhausted um and during that time obviously enough time went by that he could find somewhere and he moved out and yeah so we're we're kind of I'm I'm still in that house he's got his own place now and it's yeah we'll see what happens and how did you kind of get to that point where you're like right you've made the decision to separate and then the most important thing is that you've both got your emotions to deal with but you have a child and what conversations did you have to say right we need to make a plan here to say this is what's important for our communication for our daughter how do you go about that when your emotions are so heightened the reason that I decided to end the marriage was because I didn't want Bodhi to grow up in such a toxic environment right so it would completely kind of defeat the whole purpose of separating if we carried that into separation and divorce and how's your daughter like does she understand what's going on or is it I picked her up from nursery last week it was so funny the look of horror on some of the other parents faces but I just burst out laughing and I was so happy that that this was how she delivered it she came out she went mommy I've got two houses and I like everyone else just like oh like you know I was like about to shut a turn I was like yes this is what I wanted oh that's good it's turned into a quite a positive thing yeah and it's a cliche like you're always like oh just tell them they get two houses and two and two there but actually like it's come to pass and I'm I'm so thank god yeah you know aside from that the only thing that i found difficult about the public eye element of separating was in the beginning when everyone was like it's a fake it's for the i'm like you do not fake what like publicity because we had a tv show out at the time um and i was like you just don't know me if you think i would ever around with that absolutely that's my family yeah like and that really really made me quite irate but then you know i look at with the molly may and tommy fury and i think there have been a few i don't know incidences where they've kind of publicly broken up and then publicly got back together and i just think i can understand why that narrative has developed for people who are in the public eye show but you were still together yeah the show was airing it was it was wrapped and it was airing right and then he just kept getting photographed out and about with women and how did that make you feel when you like i was so

15:09Hannah:angry i was like was that part of the problem do you reckon like if you could go back like would you have done that show so what happened yeah I would have done the show because I it's we have so many amazing memories and it's from it and I love I love watching it I've re-watched it like two or three times um and I I love it I just just it's just watching my little babies and watching myself become a mother and I'm obsessed with my daughter and it's just so it's like a moving photo album of the early days of her life which I think we all know you hardly really remember because I was so tired the whole time.

15:39I don't regret it at all. I do, when we did privately have the conversation, we serve plural behind the scenes of like, I was like, I just don't want to, I can't do this anymore. We have to manage it really carefully. The show is airing. Don't do anything stupid. And then, yeah. And then it's just photos just kept kind of coming out. And then I got followed and I wasn't wearing my ring. Oh, for crying out loud. And that was it. Then we were off to the races and I was like, oh, for God. And that is not how I wanted it to go. To be honest, I didn't really want to talk about it, period. I was like, well, there might never come a day where I want to talk about it.

16:15Obviously now, because I'm a motor mouth, I'm sure you can tell. I was like, I'm sure one day I will, but I would have been happy going months without even anybody knowing. But - From what point did you take your wedding ring off from when the show was aired? Yeah, I think for my cell, quite early on, it was an act of like closure. Yeah. and I think people maybe see it as like I don't know like an attention grab or like I'm single one or the other but for me it was just like I'm done now yeah like I'm done it was an act of like self support in a way like conviction conviction is the word I'm looking for yeah and is he dating yeah I mean yeah he's just he's yeah he's you know he's James he's he's a born born to be a bachelor right um and i am born to be i'm very very domesticated i like i like being at home i like yeah i'm a i'm a family girl i've got like i can count on one hand who my best friends are i see my family every week ideally like for me if they're around midweek and on the weekends so you can sleep for two days it's like the one benefit of co-parenting is that there are two days a week where james has body and i'm just like night night i'm sleeping and what kind of mother would you say that you are um instinctive and if there's if i if if i can get away with not giving about it i will nice like and so for example that's so good so i didn't get to that

17:41Hannah:point to have my third child yeah at the first one i was so on edge and anxious like oh my god everything has to be perfect and yeah yeah like swimming lessons at three months old for crying yeah i did that mandarin lessons when they're four months old yeah like why do we do this to myself oh sorry yeah coding at three yeah i'm like no i get it i went through that phase when she was a newborn when she was a baby i really went through it and i don't know what happened somewhere along the line my inner lazy mother kicked in thank god she wants thank god it only happened once she wants bit a kid at nursery that stressed me out stuff like that kind of stresses me out which again in hindsight i look back on both of those things now i'm sat here and i'm like oh neither are really that big of a deal yeah did that deserve it yeah exactly i think you did spike no so do you say you had quite a traumatic birth story yeah i was yeah well you know it wasn't in the grand comparatively to other people it was fine do you want to share it do we love a birth just we i i was a failed induction which i feel like everyone i don't want to scare anyone listening but i don't actually know anyone who's had a successful induction it got quite dangerous just towards the end so i had to do category two emergency c-section what does that mean so this is three categories uh obviously one is is the worst um it means um you know there's there's potential of a fatality and two is like two is you're nearing on that and three is i guess fine i mean look guys i'm not a doctor so just completely disregard everything i've said if it's completely wrong hands up i'm not a surgeon i'm not a doctor um but i had category two it got to a point where like birdie's heart rate was was really really really dropping and they were like Like we need to go in in the next five minutes.

19:18And I was like absolutely heartbroken because for some stupid reason, I'd got it in my head that I did not want a C-section, which is ridiculous now. Cause I look back and I'm like, thank God for the C-section because my daughter is here and she's alive. Absolutely. And if it wasn't for that, I don't know what the end of that sentence would be, but I, you know, I'm happy that I have the C-section. And I just remember being like, I want to do this every day for the rest of my life. Oh wow, really? I loved it. And I was like, I want another kid for so long and it's only recently that I've been like, I would rather die than have another child.

19:49Oh, really? You're not interested at all? Shop's closed. No, it's too much. And I think also when you're, I spend, I'm very kind of, I have to choose my words carefully here. I do kind of count myself as a bit of a single parent. James is absolutely like involved in Bodhi's life, you know, and really amazing with her. He's an incredible dad. But I do kind of live my kind of 24 seven day to day life feeling like that. And I just think, I don't know how single mothers have more than one child do it and work. I'm like, that is the most astonishingly impressive thing.

20:22Hannah:I know that they are the real superheroes. I don't understand how they do it. I read something the other day, which I really liked because I think, you know, we all go through those phases of feeling like we are getting buried. Yeah. And actually, I read something that said, you're not getting buried. You're you've been planted. I love this. And you're ready to bloom. Oh, I like that. I love it too. So you've been planted. I've been planted. I'm waiting to bloom. To bloom. I'm just waiting. It's so funny. I saw a ladybug on my window the other day. And I'm not like a superstitious person, but sometimes I can be like a child.

20:57Oh, yeah. So I Google.

20:58Hannah:I choose when I want to be superstitious when it seems to me. I choose when I want to be 13 again. And I all of a sudden believe in witchcraft. Anyway, so I Googled what do ladybugs stand for? And it was like, oh, in like Western culture, the amount of spots on a ladybug is like, out how many months it's going to be till you find love again and this ladybug was covered okay so we're not done yet we've got quite a while to go so i'm going to be single for a while i'm going to be single for a while but i kind of know that because i feel like i'm very comfortable with the reality that unless it falls in my lap i ain't going looking for it i do not have the energy yeah and there's lots of things going on and it's like in london i think is the average age to have your first child is in your 40s that doesn't surprise me no all the men in london are boys acting like they're acting like they're in their late teens and they're in their late 30s and it's like come on guys yeah let's level up this is it like i tried to do that to do the apps thing and i was like no my whatsapp is stressing me out and those are people i actually want to talk to yeah exactly so no to this yeah all you need to think about is you've been planted when you said that then i was like i've been planted and i'm covered in compost that's how i would summarize me as a mother you're blooming darling literally what was your childhood like with mom and dad richard and judy the best oh i love that absolute it honestly like i born and raised in manchester which i'm so proud of um and we my mom was from like working class manchester my dad working class romford f essex um my dad was a very serious journalist from a very young age yeah and then he he met my mom who was working at granada and you know and then they kind of they then they they kind of started doing like random bits of screen work together on um was it granada reports i think and then they were on screen and then this morning got pitched and at that point they had started their affair they were now officially together when you said they did bits together i was like oh yeah they did and they and they will I think they were married yeah they were married Diane Keating um who was in was in charge um of kind of Granada back then was like oh they're perfect for this because this is a time slot where you know mom's gonna be watching and they've got a kid and they're married and and they auditioned and they got it and their life changed so I can't forget what I'm trying to get to is that my parents were so normal and it just kind of happened to them and they didn't go for it they were they weren't my dad was ambitious in a journalistic field my mom was like much more focused on being a mom and holding down a job and it just kind of happened to them which meant that growing up um you know the year that they started this morning was the year i was born with you know richard and judy household names celebrity kind of media world all around me was very exciting and not at any point normal.

23:53Hannah:Didn't George Michael like come to your house and have tea and stuff? So George Michael, yeah. Or supper? George Michael. Sorry, what time did George Michael come to your parents' house? It was a Sunday lunch. Okay, dinner. I haven't already picked up. We love a Sunday lunch. Dinner, the dinner ladies were there. It's dinner, dinner. You have to say you're confusing everyone. You're in London now. Lunch, you came for lunch. Lunch. Sunday lunch. They did a phone in and they were raising money for, I cannot remember what. Then he left an anonymous donation of like tens of thousands of pounds. He's amazing like that.

24:25He always did amazing things like that. That was him. Yeah, it was beautiful. And he and my, obviously the research team, or whoever was in the gallery, whatever, basically said to my parents, this has happened, it's George Michael, he wants to be anonymous. They kind of got him on the phone in the ad break. And they were like, please, let us search you. And he was like, no. And they were like, oh, and they really wanted to say, like look how great this man is um he said tell you what you can do you can invite me over for a sunday lunch and they were like yeah oh my god so that's what they did yeah and my mom who literally was like wham george michael mega fan oh my god was like just completely beside herself they bought new hand towels new crockery the whole thing he came over with his boyfriend kenny and he was amazing he was do you remember it yeah vividly yeah i was just like it was lost on me i was too young yeah I think I was maybe 10 it was lost on me that the the magnitude of the of the superstar in the room other than he was gorgeous and he was lovely to my brother and I um and it was great I just remember they all drank a lot of wine and had a great time and that was it oh my gosh we used to have a lady come over for Sunday dinner and she had one glass iron arthritis we used to stand to get really excited when Edna was coming and you're like Edna!

25:38So George came and we got new hand towels. Do you know when you stand on the stairs as kids because there's a visitor? We used to wait for Edna with a glass eye and then you're like waiting for George Michael. George and Edna. I feel like George and Edna would have gotten on really well to be honest. It sounds like someone he'd taken interest in. Yeah it was bizarre and it was amazing. Like I said it was never lost on anyone. That's really cool.

26:05Hannah:Do you know your your mom and dad um it was the first tv show that i went on um when i was i was 15 i love and um and i really want to find the footage like and there must be in the archive somewhere but i went on there to have my haircut a live haircut yeah yeah and it was live on the program live on tv had my haircut and i was 15 years old when you're like very kind of like yeah you know still at school and very aware of how I looked yeah yeah and uh the haircut was disastrous and I was just like this is her you know you're just like yeah I really like it thank you so much but your mum and dad were so kind to me because they must have seen or felt that I was just like I hate yeah what you've just done to me yeah you just violated my hair live on tv my first ever tv and they were a nice interview and they were so, your mom and dad, even off camera, they were like, yeah, they're - Hey Groves, it's okay.

27:01I honestly, I can't say it enough, how kind he is and how fair of a man he is and how unbelievably good his values and moral compass is. And I get really angry when people go for him because I'm like, you don't know how good this person is. And my mom is like, I mean, she's, especially since I got pregnant, I mean, our relationship has just like catapulted into like just the most intense kind of maternal bond. And I just, I don't think, I don't think I'd be as calm and well adjusted to becoming a mother as I am had I not been living with them when I was pregnant and had my daughter. They basically just kept telling me every day, like you're a natural, you're a natural, you're a natural.

27:46And it's just - Which is what you need to hear. What you need to hear because you have to believe that you are in order to start to feel like you are and therefore you then act like you are.

27:55Hannah:Do you feel that because you growing up and seeing your parents' relationship, I guess a good healthy one, because yours and James wasn't, you said it was toxic. Like, do you think that you were like, this isn't right then because this isn't what I had and I don't want that for my daughter. Yeah, you've got a very high standard. No, what I will say is I think, I think it did a bit of a number on me seeing a mom and dad that lived together, worked together, did everything together, together, together, together. I think it was quite a long road of realization for me that that wasn't normal in a relationship and that you actually you can be independent or autonomous and in a happy relationship and do you have any parenting fails oh god yeah so James and I both road rage it's really bad and we road rage with Bodie in the car so now Bodie's got like our second hand road rage so like even if no one's doing anything wrong and it's awful when the window's open she'll just lean out the window and be like you stupid man and i'm like brilliant she has and people like look at her i'm sorry she's got visions of like the in-betweeners you know so that's the main one at the moment that we're trying to i mean it's too funny you know and it's so funny that you can't even and do you have to say to james you know like if you've been in the car and you were i accidentally said yeah and she she heard me and she's repeated it because she'll go to his house and they'll be like where did you learn that from your mother and he says something do you have to like communicate that with each other no james and i swear like troopers like my parents swear like troopers i mean it's really bad if she if she if bodie ends up having a potty mouth it's more likely my fault and i i don't really care if james has got a problem i do wonder though if um like my mom never swore ever like she still doesn't but it made me want to swear more yeah yeah yeah i think whereas we so my myself and my husband like you know if a swear word comes out we won't be like yeah because we don't want to make it a big deal we just say it and it's just like that's the thing bodie's never said a swear word there you go never stupid man yes that's her new thing stupid stupid man i mean let's be honest she's not wrong generally i was gonna say it's probably well deserved i know she that's it she's never said anything else and i do half wonder if That's not because it's just completely normal.

30:09And I don't think she understands, like, the kind of, I guess the punctuation of a swear word. I think it's still kind of a bit lost on her. Your dad has said something. So we're going to play a clip for you to watch that your dad said about you. I was telling Kate earlier that when we had our fourth child, I mean, Judy had two by her first marriage, and then we had a little boy, Jack, and then Judy got pregnant very quickly again. It was an accident. Classic dad. Sorry, Chloe, but you were. And you know it. It's a shame. I remember a Saturday, about 21 to 22 weeks in, Judy had had the test and the phone went downstairs.

30:44I was still in bed and she picked it up and I heard her just sort of almost scream with excitement and she came running up and says, boom, boom, boom, boom into the room and she said, it's a girl. Now, if there had been gender parties back then, we would have had one that night. Oh, how cute is he? I mean, how do you, like, how does that make you feel when he just said it? That's the thing that was all over the press when he said like, which he said multiple times in public and in private, so it's no surprise to me that I'm a mistake. Like I'm a mistake and they always say a very happy mistake.

31:10What was the age difference between you and your brother? How many months? It is 14 months. God, so they were back on it quick. Yeah, quick. Rudy Judy's quite famous. Rudy's guy. Sorry. Judy had the ovulation horn and Richard was all over her like a rash. Oh my God. Rudy Judy's. That is such a real thing that I've only discovered since being single because I don't know what it is. Right, maybe because I was in like a really long-term relationship, married, I don't know what. Oh my God, do I know when I'm ovulating now? Oh yeah, the ovulation heart. I'm like, oh dear. I walk into the gym and I'm like, okay.

31:43Be calm, be cool, don't look at anyone. As you like twerking and bench press. It's awful. I'm ovulating. I actually kind of love it. Like now I'm single, I'm like, I kind of love it. But I don't remember it happening when I was in a relationship. Anyway, moving on from that. Let's move forward from that. What were you? Oh, I don't even know what I'm saying. What are the, what are the, yeah. We're all ovulating. We can't think so. I am actually ovulating. Oh yeah. There you go. I wonder why you dry hump in the chair. I was like, I can't tell. What are you doing, hun? Honey, okay. Get what?

32:13Hannah:Should we have a ship of water break? Are you dating at all? Are you on any apps or anything? No, I don't. I'll be honest with you. Between being a mum and my work and training, I don't have any interest whatsoever in scrolling on an app or taking out like one to two to three hours of my week every week to go sit with someone and decide whether or not I kind of fancy them and maybe we'll go on another day I'd rather die so no I would honestly rather die I'm not dating I'm not like no no yeah no that is that is very relatable organic meeting how did you meet James in the first place um is that like he slid into my DM

32:58If I look back all the way from now to when I was 16 and got my first boyfriend, I've never traditionally like dated. I've always like met guys, fancied guys, started hooking up with guys and then I'm in a relationship. Yeah. And that's just my pattern.

33:12Hannah:Oh, thanks. I don't feel it. What did Richard and Judy think of him? They love him. Everyone loves James. Everyone loves James. He's charming. He's a performer. he's the guy you want in any and every room and my family you know they just really support they support what I needed to do and they understand why um so yeah they're great but the second like you said some interviews if he gives his narrative and you're sat there going excuse me but you can't say anything because it's an interview like on tv or in the paper I find it frustrating when I hear sentences come out of his mouth like oh we just stopped getting along on like podcasts and stuff and I'm like don't say that because that is not what that is not no so that really really kind of rubs me up the wrong way because I'm like no it was bigger than that and that's okay and that's okay um so that's kind of what annoys me I'm like just say it was awful which it was and let's just chalk it up to that and crack on what what other funny things has Richard said dad are you telling something that he did which is hilariously funny when I was a teenager I don't know if I should tell this story I'm gonna tell it anyway I remember going into my parents room one night I mean you guys have mostly female listeners so I'm sure this is fine and I was like mom do you have I'm on my period and I don't have anything and it was late it was like midnight and I was like I don't have anything and I'm what do you have anything and she was like oh my god let me look and at this time she'd had a hysterectomy like she was but obviously like you know she's just an older woman she's like let me look let me see if I can see what I've got around here.

34:44Lend your tenner. Exactly. Lend your tenner. Love it. So she's like rummaging around and I was like okay I'll just I'm gonna go back to my room and like just try and manage the situation and then my dad oh see this is what I mean like such a good heart on him. He comes in and he'd take him. Ten pound no. Sorry I heard you needed a tunnel of and he he'd taken like um some blue roll and he'd like wrapped it up really really really tight and like twisted it and twisted it and he was like i made you this and i was like now okay we all know this is hilarious and completely misguided and misinformed way to fashion a tampon but how cute that he'd gone to the toilet to do that to me so he'd fashioned me this like god awful obviously was never going to use tampon but i just thought like the kindness the intent and I think human intent is all I care about not the end product what was the intent um and his intent has always been so kind and just oh yeah I'm I'm incredibly lucky and what did your mum say at that point because my mum would be like oh for Christ's sake Paul I took it into her and I showed her and I was laughing and my dad was like what I thought it was a good idea and she was like oh Richard don't be so stupid I've never been anything other than proud to call them my parents from like a really really young age that's lovely to him i think it's really cool to be surrounded by people that you're proud of oh god yeah absolutely well it makes me feel like i'm an underachiever at the moment in life but like i say i'm in my holding period well i know you're not so i i when i said at the start about you're a fitness instructor like you are so much more than that yes i i think like we're talking about rich and judy or rich and julie's daughter but in your own right what you have created and achieved and how smart you are when it comes to health fitness nutrition is kind of sometimes overseen yeah it's a niche it's a niche bracket especially when you talk about if you know in the media if it's not got the title fat jab or like transformation they don't really take the health and fitness industry or like evidence-based which is kind of why i'm an evidence-based coach which is completely born of and coaching from science um they don't really take it that seriously it's not really that sexy or interesting i i find my job very sexy and interesting i love i love um weightlifting i love um physique i love understanding body mass i love nutrition i love i'm not a dietitian by any stretch of the imagination but i'm fascinated in dietetics i honestly love my job and i i'm i feel completely comfortable saying and i think more people should feel comfortable saying sentences like that i'm very good at my job yeah so I'm really I write books and I do podcasts and I and I have two really successful coaching businesses and I'm really happy with that and I do think I will say this that in choosing to come away from the public eye being surrounded by people like my parents and my ex-husband you do kind of develop maybe a little bit of a complex that you're not doing enough that you're not impressive enough that you should be doing more bigger things on bigger stages and actually it just and I me and my mom talk about this because we share in this it just doesn't make us happy so you do have that kind of weird narrative but actually I'm miserable when you know people are writing about me and whenever I see a paparazzi photo of me on the mail online I'm like mortified so I'm like actually it's fine what advice would you say in a nutshell couple of points to people listening going I need I want to lose weight I'm worried about Christmas because I'm going to gain like half a stone.

38:25So the biggest kind of, I guess, hurdle in the way of my clients getting in shape, and this is the more important part, staying in shape, because everyone's been in the best shape of their life once before, you know, if not more times, is restrictive dieting. The on or off, I'm either on a diet or I'm off a diet kind of lifestyle, or the kind of, we call it the all or nothing mentality of like, I'm on a diet and I've been over restricting, so I better get it all in now. Like it's now or never, now or never. and then you fill it and then you have to start again it's more of a behavioral mental approach that needs to change and if you tick the boxes in terms if we're talking about exercise non-exercise activity good nutrition caloric awareness the fat loss will take care of itself i have a lot of clients who are like obsessively getting on the scales every day i'm like instead of focusing on that why don't we tick the boxes and let that happen itself and it does every time it does and they actually enjoy it um so it is kind of this pendulum swing um of extreme or fad dieting which is hugely to blame for women not being able to have a good relationship with food and their bodies and get the results they want and it's you know like we said you're at your most vulnerable after you've just had a baby like how what's the journey been like for you postpartum how did you cope with the changes to your body and adaptations and how do you feel now well I am I you know um you know body composition and and physique science is something that's fascinating to me so I loved being pregnant.

39:46I loved the postnatal period of really, I did all the rehab on pelvic floor, diastasis recti, TVA engagement, intra-abdominal pressure management. I did absolutely everything I could to make sure. And presumably you don't p*** yourself. No, I actually have like quite a hypertonic pelvic floor. So I just have to work on relaxing it. Really? I tighten my jaw a lot. They say tight jaw, tight floor. Oh no, my jaw is tight and my floor is not tight. but yeah i loved i loved the rehab um i it was hard at times i wanted to get back in and and you know deadlift 80 kgs and i couldn't everyone kept being like it must have been really hard for you watching your body change i'm like i work in the body changing this is incredible like i loved it james say something i just did he say something about you with being like a whale a sea cow a sea by the way i want to be clear i found one of the funnier things that he's posted about me when i I was pregnant.

40:37And people went mental because we went pregnant. Oh God, well yeah. It was me pregnant and I'm like under the water, like giving the peace sign. It's the coolest photo. I've got it framed in my house actually. I love it. I'm not, by the way, I'm not someone that has framed photos of themselves. I feel like I'm with my daughter swimming. You just can't see her. It's cool. It's a cool photo. And he was like, I found this sea cow. Does anyone know what to do with it? And everyone went mad. And I was like, it's funny. I looked great pregnant. I love the photo. I want to see this picture now. I'll find it.

41:04Is it online? yeah so just type in chloe bitley seacan but it was funny it was really great and he was so great with me when i was pregnant until my due date when he went to a dj gig apart from that he was absolutely great with me when i was pregnant and he was great with me in the delivery room and he was um he filled me with confidence and like uh calmness that everything it was all going to be brilliant so i mean totally what you need what you need when you're pregnant and then And it's standing in the mirror. Do you remember when you go for your shower post giving birth? And you look at yourself and it's, I thought I looked like an elephant.

41:40You know, when your skin is like 20 sizes over than what it should be. It took forever for my bump to go. When you look at yourself in the mirror, you're like, oh, shit.