Made In Chelsea's Lucy Watson opens up on her 18 hour labour

0:00Do you know what gets me through February? Wine? Yes, wine, but also booking a holiday. The minute I know something's in the diary, my whole mood lifts. Oh, same. It's that little boost that helps you survive the freezing school runs and bitter Saturday footy mornings. Which is why we're thrilled to have Jet 2 Holidays as our sponsor. Because nothing beats that just booked feeling with Jet 2 Holidays. Exactly. A low deposit now, something lovely to look forward to later, and suddenly a soggy school run feels more manageable. Coming up... It's Lucy Watson. Welcome to the podcast. I never really got comfortable with feeding in public.

0:40Like, it's so bad, and I wish I was. I just was so shy. I don't want to be here. Yeah. I just want to be on my sofa. When they get distracted as well, and they just come off, and your boob is just there. So bury the truckers watching you in the cafe, like...

1:01Right, it's January, new year, new you, all that rubbish. And I do have a win. Do you? I do. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound so surprised. I know, you did sound slightly too surprised. This happened at Softplay. Yeah. This parent came over to me and said, is this your daughter? And the only thing, oh no. Yeah. What's happened? What's she done? Yeah. And I was like, yeah, yeah. Like expecting the worst. and uh and this dad just went I just want to say what a lovely little girl she is she just helped my boy and really helped him he was crying and I couldn't get in there and she helped him up and helped him and was kind and he came over to basically say you've done a great job there and I was just like you know it was like a hallelujah moment I could hear like the choir of angels behind me and I just thought that's exactly what I needed to hear on this dull January sh**ty day where you kind of think what am I going to do today with my kids I don't you know I mean soft play is depressing enough as it is really depressing isn't it and probably quite unhygienic as well very and my husband's doing dry January and we all know about it uh I'm not but I just thought that was a lovely thing to say this dad didn't need to come over and tell me that love you know I think maybe he fancied you Louise do you think maybe that's why he's gone into that soft point he's been like who's that hottie over there oh my god he's so lovely it was a lovely thing to hear yeah and uh nice yeah then of course my daughter was an absolute after that anyway actually speaking of which I'll just do my quick parenting fail yeah because of that word um i was in the car and someone uh completely cut me up and i just said are you absolute and then my daughter said mommy what's the oh god and then you're like oh well it's it's a bit of a naughty word and you shouldn't really say it and as soon as i say that then they're like oh i'm gonna use that word then so hopefully she doesn't so yeah yeah how about you um so parent well this is a weird like I'd say a weird triumph and it sounds quite vain actually it really does um but I went to my little boy's school and they had this whole like look at all the work that they've been doing yeah and um my little my middle child had made a collage for a screensaver on pit collage and um he'd got pictures of me that he'd got on the internet now luckily I don't have an OnlyFans account or anything like that no one's seen my old breasticles um not even my husband for a while but um he'd made this collage of his screensaver and it had loads of pictures of us from like uh no parental guidance and presenting stuff that i did at the olympics oh i was like logan i said oh how come you've made that and he was like because i'm really proud of you mummy this is really cool honestly and i was like you are my favorite child like i don't have favorites but in this very moment but it's just the way he did it and it's like that's lovely my my thought association there was because you know I love to go off in a little rant but I was like as a working mum and as a mum that has to make a lot of sacrifices like when I'm gigging and I miss putting them to bed and when I'm working and don't see them first thing in the morning and sometimes you are riddled with guilt and think do they actually realize what we're doing like I'm working to earn money to put food on the table but also you know I'm trying to inspire them and give them a better future but actually I was like do you know what he's looked at some of the stuff I've done and thought that's quite cool like mummy working at Manchester United that's quite cool and my eldest child was like yeah but I don't like Man United anyway I was like yeah that's not the point Bradley but it was just a nice feeling to go do you know what like kids do notice when as a mum or a dad you are out working and it's tough for you and you always think they don't but they actually do they notice more than what you think yeah you're absolutely right that's a great win there was a win that's a lovely win yeah fail and then a fail i basically was talking to um my little boy um you know about the whole like sex education and stuff like that and uh we progressed off that into uh fighting you know these conversations i don't feel qualified to have when he's asked me about the sucking the in that's where we're at with that in the next conversation he said oh by the way i had a fight at school so i was like well we don't condone fighting you know and basically a boy had gone up to him and smacked him a couple of times across the face and I kind of gave the code word as in like what are you being taught karate and he's like oh to fight I'm like to block to block a punch so if someone hurts you you block it and then you tell the teacher but there's a bit I think he was too caught up in the whole sex education kind of chat about and then he's progressed on to like fighting and punching so then he basically went to school the next day and just punched this lad back and said

6:08mommy what I took from that is I've punched a today oh god yes I had a phone call and it was really awkward about school and I thought they were asking me about sex education so I immediately jumped to the defensive and started talking about you know how Bradley visualized sex education and I wasn't sure what I should say and they were like oh we're actually we're just ringing to talk about Bradley having a fight at school and then my reaction was like oh okay did he win or yeah and it was like yeah who came out on top because that's all I'm bothered about and I just thought how big is yours then Mr Smith but I was like this is just yeah so I feel a little bit like goes back to like my parenting triumph of like the whole working mum kind of thing yeah but then And equally, you get so flustered and, you know.

6:56All the tabs open. Yes. Wrong end of the call. Yeah, no, totally. Yeah. So my whole waffly like concept of what I do with everything just came out with a teacher at school and I was talking about sex. And I'd actively encourage my child to go and kick out somebody else at school. So I'm like now moving forward, just ask your dad. Just to remind our lovely listeners, we have teamed up with Jet Two Holidays, which was fabulous. And we have a win of the week. Love it. Some of them are so funny. We struggle to pick through them, don't we, to read them out? We do. And this one came in from a lovely lady called Emma and she DM'd me.

7:33And she says, last night, my kid tried to negotiate staying up late. I said, sure, if you can help me with the dishwasher. They looked at the sink, looked at me, then silently turned around and marched straight to bed. Victory unlocked. That's a great, that's a great win. And to all of you at home, thank you so much for sending in your dilemmas and your wins of the week. We need them. She first captivated audiences as the famously unfiltered Made in Chelsea star and since then she's built up quite the empire. Today she is not only running her hugely successful clothing company but also championing veganism to her millions of followers but her most important role at the moment is being a mum to her baby boy.

8:16Please welcome TV icon, businesswoman, author and an incredible mother. It's Lucy Watson. All right. Welcome to the podcast. That was quite the intro. Wow. Do you like it? I don't want to do it. We could see. Chocolate. Woo. Chocolate. What are you doing? Just getting into the holiday spirit. But it's February. It might be February, but I've already booked my family summer holiday with Jet 2 Holidays. So I'm officially in full holiday mode. You were kind of going like, that's me, guys. Thank goodness. We're talking about you right there. Yeah. How are you? How's your journey in? Any smothering meltdowns on the way?

8:59Oh, no, actually, no, I'm all good. It was a long old journey, but I ended up just having a really peaceful, peaceful time. As you can imagine, you know, long journeys on your own. Oh, God, it's like being in a spa. Oh, I thought you'd been really sarcastic then, but yeah. No, it's on your own. And then you say you're by yourself and it's like, really? How delicious. I think the driver probably thought I was f***ing rude because they got in and put my headphones on. I think I said hi, I think. And then I just was like in the zone. I think that's fine. Just zone out and just, yeah, this is time for me.

9:28Absolutely. Did he want to chat? He didn't. Fine. He didn't really want to chat, which was great. That's great. Can you request it when you have an Uber? You can request like not to speak to them. Can we do that with our kids, please? Like on a morning. Can I just request no conversation? Pre-7am, please. That would be nice. I'd have to give it a go. I doubt it will work, but I'd like to give it a go. So how old is your little boy? So he's 21 months. We're still in the kind of, when does it get out of the months? Two? Some people carry on for ages, don't they? When you're like, how old is he? It's like, he's 49 months and two days.

10:03You're like, ah. I think I just went by clothing. I think you go up to like, it says up to 18 months, and then it goes two to three or something. I feel like at this age, every month, they're so different. Oh, God. So much changes in the months. Yeah. So like 21 months to me, it feels like he's so old, you know, and the months are just flying by. But I guess after two, maybe I'll stop with the months. Is he in the terrible twos phase yet? Are you experiencing any meltdowns? So he is not yet. I'm sure it's coming. It might not. I keep touching wood, but he is very chilled and very just like easygoing.

10:45And he does have little meltdowns and things. And they're just really cute. Like, I don't know why. It's such a cute age. The little meltdowns. Like, I just, I respect it. And I let him have his moment, you know. What do you do when he's having a tantrum or if he's like frustrated? Just kind of watch. Is that weird? I just kind of watch him. No, I quite often say, let me know when you're finished. Yeah. I'll just be here waiting for you to stop being a t***. I think the most important thing is, and I learned this the hard way and probably learned this with my third, and I wish I knew this with my first, is when they're having a tantrum, they can't, they're not really with it.

11:20No. Sometimes it's just like, let's have a hug. Let's hug it out. Yeah. Even if you are seething. Most of the time, that's what they need, though, isn't it? Yeah. I read this thing online and it's this American lady and she was like, this is a way to approach tantrums. I think I'd Googled it like 2 a.m. Like, why is my kid being such a d***? and then this woman was like to say uh you know we both need to uh self-regulate i'm going to take five minutes and go into another room and i was thinking if i said that to my two-year-old whilst she's having a tantrum she'd be like because she wants me there of course and it's like i'm too emotional to have this conversation right now it's like i wouldn't say that to a two-year-old because make it about you and just ditch yeah just like actually i'll tell you what I'm going to give you five in a room by yourself pull everything down like oh it's yeah it's a lot it is how long does it last uh my dad says forever oh yeah so with me no they say like for up to about three three and a half when kids can kind of they have that social understanding of actually people are watching me and I don't want people to have an opinion of me behaving in a certain way I found that was like a bit of a turning point for me it was when they when they started school it's funny though when you see um like with my daughter she's a bit fussy and my boys are a bit fussy with their eating and it's like oh she won't eat spices or she won't eat like raw fish and then they're like at nursery oh yeah they annabelle ate all this and you're like how and then when i've been to pick annabelle or my kids up in the past they're all just sat around the table i know it's amazing isn't it perfectly trying everything but they just watch each other um but this this is a really interesting topic with you lucy about uh veganism and and obviously how long have you been a vegan um so 10 years 10 years 10 years in january yeah so a long time and what made you become a vegan in the first place so it was ethical reasons yeah um more just like i grew up on a working farm and so i just i just basically didn't want to be causing harm to animals and I found that I actually just like prefer this way anyway for health reasons too yeah um and your primary ethical reasons yeah he's vegan as well yeah um and how does that work I don't know if you're there yet with like birthday parties or anything like that like how does that work I don't know to be honest I don't know I've got quite a lot of vegan friends with kids that are older and I do speak to them about it and they just kind of say you've got to kind of be a little bit more relaxed when it comes to birthday parties because i don't ever want him to feel excluded from anything and i can't turn up to every birthday party with a vegan cake or maybe i can i don't know oh i had a vegan cake for my baby shower and it was amazing so yeah there's like no real difference when it comes to baked goods so it's kind of like one of the easiest things to replace so long as he's not ever feeling like he is left out or he's excluded from something like I would never ever want him to feel like that so I guess when he is able to make informed choices he's able to do that yeah I'm not going to stand in the way yeah so um and how did you navigate that during pregnancy the only reason I say that I was vegan for about three years and my husband like for health reasons yeah and um I found out I was pregnant and I found that you know you do like the like a questionnaire like the second question I was asked is you're not vegan are you really yeah really yeah from from who um from the the health visitor from who i spoke to you had to do this questionnaire with because they kind of really relayed to me that i wouldn't be my i couldn't get enough protein wow to assist me to grow a baby that's crazy with a vegan diet and that was um that'd be like four and a half years ago yeah that's really crazy and the thing is the body doesn't know where it's getting the nutrients from it doesn't think oh you've just had a steak so I'm gonna you know whatever it's this is a better form of this it just takes the nutrients from whatever you're eating and if you're if you've got all that in your food then it doesn't know any different when you were pregnant did you did you have any cravings maybe for like a bit of meat or something people did ask me that I didn't I actually gagged at the smell so like if I was around it it was it it made me even more so like not into it and I I just I just craved apples like I always say this like my child was literally like from the first trimester it just basically was an apple like he was just literally that's all I ate was apples that's pretty healthy then isn't it is it though is it like I don't think it is um but they say a baby is like a parasite they will take what they need from you yeah so they'll take it from your bones they'll take it from your blood they'll take it from like your tissue like everything they'll just take what they need so um yeah i'm not gonna lie i was on a bag of malwams every day so i sound like a right fat bitch compared to you but i'm vegetarian yeah when i was pregnant with my boys maybe not my daughter i absolutely craved ham really but like the really cheap oh the wafer thin yeah i've heard a few people say that about wafer thin ham i had to have it i remember someone walked past me and I got a smell of it and I literally left and god I'm actually salivating out the idea of it what's wrong with it I wonder what it is about that then I don't know because normally that means that there's a vitamin there is yeah maybe salt yeah yeah there's a there's something in that food that your brain associates that you need like what could that have been don't know so the um the Michelin star meal that you get I mean did you give birth in a hospital an NHS hospital um it was an NHS hospital but I did have a private uh birth so you would you would have had but you know what I got delivery what about the tea and toast oh I don't you haven't experienced it I didn't experience it I don't know what I had I think this is so bad I think I had an acai bowl it's like let me tell let me tell you okay what's tea and toast I don't have tea and toast yeah what is tea and toast right glasses you've given birth yeah you've either been severed in half or you've pushed a watermelon out your flour you are exhausted you're starving and then the midwife is going to say do you want some tea or tea and toast I did not get my tea and toast and you're like yes I do it's the most amazing thing you will ever eat in your entire life tea and toast after you've given birth lashings of butter comes on a plastic NHS plate and it is the best thing you've ever eaten yeah I did not get tea and toast and you've got Oh, Deliveroo.

17:52Well, when you get given, did you have epidurals? No. You didn't know. What the f*** is wrong with you?

18:01I wanted to feel it. What? I don't know. Actually, I wanted it. I was screaming for it. But then she just looked at me up and down like, what's wrong with you? Yeah, that's true. I wanted it. Look, three times. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, my first one, I gave birth at home with nothing. But I was stupid. I didn't know what was coming. No, actually, I take that back. I wasn't stupid. but I wanted to feel it. And I did. Yeah, but you do though, don't you? It's like - But why do you want to feel it? What's wrong with the UK? Apparently not, no. I really, especially, so I was fully dilated when I got to the hospital my second.

18:36And the first one was awful, but I did that naturally and then without pain, relief. And then the second one, I was like very dilated when I got to the hospital. So we just kind of shot out like a bullet. And then everyone was like, oh, it's like shelling peas with your third. And I was like, I want to do this naturally. and honest to god i i was about to punch the doctor in the face because he was like well i'm not going to give you an induction we'll just let you keep going as it is now i remember being like i've been doing this and then they do that whole thing that's you're only two centimeters dilated and you're like please help me this is all lying i didn't enjoy myself but would i do it again absolutely yeah i see i would i know this so i'm guessing you had an epidural yeah but i was induced i don't there's something i don't know if i'm trying to like back myself up here but they say that when you're given the oxytocin it's awful that the pain is like really really really bad and i think it's really bad anyway but i either i could not like there's no way i could have got through that like that inductions is like forcing your body to do something it's not quite ready exactly and that's where it's like oh my god yeah no i definitely did want an epidural you did but you did too late they said i was too i was already like two four five seven i was at the point where they don't give it anymore oh yeah well and i was head was out and i said to the um the doctor i was like i want one of them f***ing up in jorals and they're like it's one more push i was like i'm not doing it and he's like this head's out and i was like i don't like it anymore it's almost i want to go like this is slightly across the face and like shut up and push and then give us a bed back i have huge respect huge because like no way but there was a point when i was like you know what you don't get a medal at the end for doing this without pain relief so i just got to get through this and i had to have it but i had to end up in emergency c-section did you yeah anyway so was that quite scary was it all a bit of a rush yeah i think i it was really scary i was like i'd done like 18 hours of labor and i was just like i did i think i did like the first six naturally and then i was like i can't do this he was huge like i said he was huge how heavy was he how big was he well it wasn't bless him he wasn't that he was really heavy he was seven seven but he was a week early so he would have he would have been quite a big baby had we gone the full term but his head was quite big oh i see yeah oh yeah top everyone winces don't they it's like when you speak to people that say if their baby's like over like 10 pounds like my brother was over 10 pounds and i remember my mom just saying like it was really painful hannah really painful and then my first came out and he was like seven eight and i was like oh my god he must have been about 15 pounds and it's like no he wasn't and i have so much respect for my mom oh my god because like but i'm um half scottish and my great grandfather and his his wife had eight sons and they all weighed a stone what i'm not joking they were all six foot four six foot five why did she need eight she was about five foot seven she ate she had eight sons that always trying to get a woman a girl sorry she would have birthed a woman aside she wanted to go jesus she wanted to go yeah i think she gave up after eight so yeah um my gosh yeah my great-grandfather was huge back then it was just like you just had to she wouldn't have had pain relief would she no no just be like get on with it that would have yeah i would have liked to go like full-time and just like see what happened and not have to get induced but he had the cord around his neck and his head and his shoulders we found out later down the line so it was like god is that why you had to have yeah it was just we didn't know like she was like it's just not that safe but i think now that i've had a c-section i don't think i can go down the whole like vaginal route anyway i just have to keep doing it whatever whatever you want really whatever you like yeah nobody cares nobody cares anyway isn't it funny the pressure yeah that you put on yourself beforehand like like when we said oh about pain relief for a second I was like oh no I didn't have pain relief you know you forget all these things but in that moment when you're pregnant it's so like oh god you know when I meet friends from like NCT courses or groups I go to and they'll say was it a natural birth or was it a c-section or did you have pain it's like literally no one gives a like just get the baby out safely that's all did you have a fabulous baby shower push present I did not actually I really wish that I had but I just feel like in my position I get gifted a lot of stuff and I just didn't really want to like make my friends come and like give me loads of gifts you know I just felt like that was just a bit greedy but I also love baby showers like I love watching videos of baby showers and gender reveals and everything I did a gender reveal but just for my family I did do a gender reveal we just did a cake in the garden and we just didn't know what the colour was going to be inside and it was just our family there and then we just cut the cake and yeah did you have a hunch that you were having a boy um I did because I kept dreaming about a boy but if I'm being honest I really imagined myself with a girl so I think I was like oh and then afterwards my husband was like you know we're gonna do all this together we're gonna go motorbiking we're gonna go quad biking we're gonna dirt but like all the things and he was like saying all stuff it just made me really upset because I was like oh my god I mean we're so left out of this group like they're gonna be doing all these things together and i'm gonna be so left out and now he's here you realize that he's probably like the biggest mummy's boy ever like thank god in a way like i just love him i can't imagine having a daughter now yeah i'm like he's the best so yeah yeah my boys are so lovely aren't they they are they really love them moms as well and what was it like for you um like the whole journey of like meeting your husband and like how how different are you now to when you're in Made in Chelsea?

24:24Like how much has your life changed? Oh god um well I met him on Made in Chelsea so the producers cast him on the show and and you didn't know him at all before that? I think I'd met him in a club but it's so mean I didn't remember him when I met him on the show and he I think he'd remember me but I must have been just really drunk when I met him and not remembered because you would not forget him but I must have just been hammered when I met him. But yeah, he was, you know, we just like, it was kind of an instant thing, attraction. And then we just got to know each other. And yeah, I guess I've changed a lot.

25:00I did date quite a lot of people. There's like quite a lot of, yeah. You had a great time on Made in Chelsea, didn't you? I did. I had a great time. But I think I ended up with James and like, I just kind of knew that it was something I wanted to protect. So it just felt like something I didn't want to have to do the whole like drama and everything with and I think was a part to play and why I ended up leaving so did you both leave at the same time yeah yeah to protect your relationship yeah it wasn't the main reason it wasn't the only reason it was one of many yeah it just it'd been a while and there was so many things I wanted to do and it takes a lot of your time and like is it scripted at all uh no so you can't say i wouldn't say like oh i was handed a script every day and but i think obviously it's produced so there's producers who have an idea of what they want to play out and sometimes it doesn't happen the way that they would imagine it to happen but i think like they'll they'll kind of there's things that are set up like you don't just bump into people you know every hour like yeah bump into your ex here and bump into this person then your worst enemy or whatever here like it's that's all kind of set up and do you know that it's set up before it happens you never know who you're gonna see oh so you would just like turn up to film and like sometimes you'd know who you're filming with or sometimes you just would have no clue and then you just in a conversation with someone that you just you have to you we've genuinely bumped into them but like it's been orchestrated yeah i just imagine you only do on your period and somebody's there and you're just like not today and like that would just make the best tv That was me every day.

26:37That was literally me every day. Because you're renowned for kind of being unfiltered as well. I'm quite a fiery person. I have got like quite a fiery personality and like always have done. So I think being on a show like that, it just like enhanced it really. And going back to becoming a mother, how did that affect you and your identity? Like you've been this reality star and then you're kind of thrown into the real depths of motherhood. Like did it make you question your identity? I love it so much being a mom is just like the most amazing life-changing like incredible thing that's ever happened to me and my dad is my world should somebody remind you of that like 2am when you're like it's that thing isn't it when you're like you don't want them you want them to go to bed and you're like god can you just go to bed and then when he goes and he's asleep you're like I miss him I miss him it's just moved it's moving I did it last night I I cooked and I gave my daughter a kiss and she's sleeping there and she started to stare and I was like no oh my god like backing away it's like like standing in the room like why are you doing that for me I'm just checking you to sit I'm just going out pretend I'm not here but I guess being a mother took you on to your next path of your your clothing line yeah yeah so I think when I was pregnant one of the things I really struggled with was like dressing I was just like yeah do I wear like you're growing so rapidly I mean each day to the next like some days you'll just wake up and you'll just be so massive and you're like nothing fits me everything online is hideous and you know maternity bras all this kind of thing I was I breastfed my son for 14 months so I was in and out of breastfeeding like maternity wear I just couldn't find anything that I liked and a lot of it is like polyester and all that kind of stuff and I just didn't really want to be wearing like microplastics while I'm like feeding my kid and um my business partner and I we just decided to come up with this maternity range and um and also we do underwear for everyone we don't just do underwear like we want to do like full circle where it's like you come into being pregnant you want to buy a nice maternity wear and then you go into postpartum and you want to wear something that feels super comfortable still but like feels like you so we kind of take women full circle with that kind of stuff and it's just been like the most amazing thing to do we just came out with a new range last week and what do you sell then within so we do maternity bras and we do non-maternity bras underwear basically mainly underwear with a little bit of land on the side and my maternity bras i remember were really quite ugly yeah we're not saying you want to ever look at ever again are they no i mean i couldn't wait to get rid of them it's that feeling you know when you pull you like you pull your top up and then you pull the bra down and you try and get if you're in a cafe and you've got your muslin square trying to do the clip and the top trying to expose the t*** and it's like oh you just have to pull it down and get your whole boob out it's so I'm guessing yours aren't like that no well we do we have a mix so we have the pull to the side and we have the clips but it's interesting a lot of people prefer the clips which i found quite interesting because for me i think i prefer just whipping it out like pull to the side night all day the clips i remember feeling after a while feeling like this is i'm a superhero i remember like just you know getting the boob out feeding and then maybe clipping it on like really quick like click done there's a satisfying noise with the click yeah it was really satisfying yes it was but if you can't get it in the right position you're already overstimulated but it is it can be hard and the baby's like oh my god so barry the truck is watching you in the cafe like you know what i never i never really got comfortable with feeding in public like it's so bad and i wish i was i fed probably twice or three times in public and i maybe i'll be different if i had another one but i just was so shy did you not have one of those i did but god he was threshing around underneath it and it would just be like this moving thing underneath like a blanket and yeah and you get hot and sweaty you're like i just don't want to be here yeah i just want to be on my sofa yeah yeah no i get that i get that i think especially as they get older and you're still feeding and it's like when they get distracted as well and they just come off or they just keep your nipple in in their mouth and move their head like that anyway and your boob is just there and you're just like wow it's just there for everyone to see you know like a chewed up drumstick lolly when you pull it oh that was like my nipple with my Exactly like that.

31:11Oh my gosh, that's a great explanation. That's exactly what it's like. Literally like that, isn't it? Yeah, what we're left with in the end. So yeah, so we just actually created this new range, which is like the softest. We call it our Cloud Air range. And it kind of feels sexy too, which is quite hard with maternity. Yeah. But I wanted people to be able to wear something that feels like them and they feel confident in. And they don't just feel like that frumpy. Yeah, absolutely. Or same with your company. Renew. renew I love that you've had that experience and you're going do you know what I can't find anything I'm going to just create yeah and we didn't know if there was a market for it because we were like is it that people just want to wear ugly maternity like nursing but I was like maybe it's just like one of those things where you're just like you're in this kind of stage of life and you're not feeling yourself and you just want functionality you don't really care about the aesthetics but it turns out people do want yeah I had maternity bras that were as I said really dull and gross and then i had the other spectrum which was super super sexy and i was like i don't feel sexual right now like this is the canteen this is like a no-go area right now it's a good word yeah it was the canteen and also like the really really hyper sex like sexy fatality bras tend to be like lacy and it was lazy it was itchy oh my god it was so itchy and my nails like that on my nipple because you can't you're sleeping in them aren't you so you're wearing them like 24 7 yeah so you don't want anything with any wire or like anything that's gonna make you be like oh god exactly so it turns out people do want them and it's been an amazing like venture for us and i love doing it because i'm working on something that i'm really passionate about and i'm kind of creating products for me that i love as well and i'm working with pregnant women babies like it's just it's so fun my sister-in-law um is about to give birth like literally any any day now so i will get her a renew bra yes as a gift because it's nice to give the mum a gift after they're given birth yeah i think so i think so and i we do get a lot of friends and husbands and things but purchasing really and like sometimes i'm a little bit of a creep and i like read the little notes that people write because it just cheers me up on a day like if i'm just scrolling through the orders and i see like little cute notes i'm just like people are so nice what do they say there are nice people any like thank you so much or like you've done amazingly or like to help continue your breastfeeding journey or like i don't know just that's so many like nice messages like that's such a stigma like around breastfeeding so you fed your little boy till he was 14 months and did anybody because everyone has an opinion don't they i got i got a lot more like grossed out looks than i thought i would get yeah and women or i think women i was so surprised by it because i was just like this is like it's hard and like obviously all feeding is hard and having a baby is hard but i just feel like be supportive oh you know like so we're kind of looking at you judging as if like oh you shouldn't be feeding now as if like it was weird yeah but we're damned if we're doing we're damned if we don't oh yeah if you decided to not breastfeed which lots of women do you still get the whole like oh you know that breast is best and then you do breastfeed and you're in public oh you shouldn't be doing that it's like you literally can't win and people will always have an opinion there was also supportive um people around me but i just feel like sometimes it was a bit kind of gross and it's almost like it's been sexualized in a way like to feed your baby past a certain age is like there's something that's been sexualized about it and i'm like this is like what we have boobs for it's nature that yeah exactly that is The milk is there for them.

34:50Yes. And it will keep going until God knows that, you know. And how did you come about stopping breastfeeding? It's going to sound really, like, shallow, but it was a hendoo. That's not shallow. I don't get it. It was a hendoo. I was like, you're done, hon. We're done. I think that's how a lot of women decide to... It was my first trip away. Yeah, that totally makes sense. It was my first ever trip away. It was 14 months. You deserved a break. He was eating a lot of food and it was like whittling down anyway. I feel like the milk was kind of just, you know, there wasn't a lot left anyway. We were doing like two feeds a day.

35:30And then I had this henti coming up and I knew about it for months before. And I kind of always set it as my goal and I reached it. And then I was like, you know what? It's perfect because how on earth was I going to stop in his presence? Yeah. You know, and he was fine. He was totally fine. I was going to ask, was it a matter of just you not there? There's a bottle. he was totally fine he went on to a plant-based like milk instead which was great he loved it he didn't give a and how were you like going on the hendik myself yeah it is it is i was like i was knocking myself in the sink for the girls and they were all looking at me like they were i was giving them all an education on on the breast basically and what happens and how it just sprays out and all different but i had to kind of milk myself when i was there because obviously it was you know when you're trying to stop and it's like still there and you're like oh my god it's still here um but i think i felt like the hormones of it they your body kind of goes into a drop doesn't it and it makes you feel sad and i felt like oh my god are we not gonna make him active anymore you know like it's gonna be so sad but ultimately it's it was a lot easier to do you know to leave him for work and do all these things and also not having milk in my boobs felt a lot nicer but then you get left with nothing and you're like oh my boobs are gone yeah they're gone that's great and they're not in the same position they were in like a year ago like what's happened there so one of the reasons we started this podcast is because we like to know that as mothers we are all in this together and we talk about our parenting fails do you have any you can share with us i don't think it's a fail but it feels a little bit like a fail is originally and i'm sure there's so many people that can relate to this when we had my son we were like we're never gonna do screen time oh he's like oh yeah until he's like five or whatever it's so bad you set the bar at five wow yeah we were like we did all this research about it and we were actually quite judgy of people who did do it and we were like we're just never gonna be those kind of parents you know um and we've eased into it and it's like almost like a fail and a win because i feel like it's it does make life easier car journeys in particular i think if you're doing a long car journey absolutely that's not fun for them no it's not they're sitting there all strapped in and it's so uncomfy and it's like they don't know where they're going and why they're there and they just want to move and we found a couple of like little shows that he likes and but it but it is getting to the point now where more more more more more every time it ends and i'm like oh god he's getting addicted but um that's where you're like babe we're not doing screen time and then you lean across and you're quick get the help of the record down he's gonna kick off in a minute if we can't say one more peppa pig that loading on netflix and it's like the next episode coming and they're about to have a meltdown yeah no so look i don't see it as a fail i wish i had i'd been a little bit more open-minded about it in the first place and now i'm like actually he's got a few shows i was brought up on tv yeah i watched our teams like back to back yeah look if you can parent without it amazing i think that's incredible and but it's a lot harder it's a lot harder i'm gonna say that i think majority of people listening you know also would let their child watch a bit of tv pepper pig could be a little bit longer though i feel like they could maybe do like a 15 20 minute so then you could have a shower do the washing put the dishwash put everything away over the house right mommy's ready how is one supposed to make a meal for their child while you know and not have them just i don't know cause some kind of destruction or hurt themselves in the process it's the only thing i think that they will literally sit still without clinging onto your leg or like wanting to be picked up lucy thank you so much for coming on we've loved talking to you yeah thanks for having me guys so much i loved the words of wisdom like you know you guys are so much farther into the parenting game.

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