Nathan Henry and his mum on Geordie Shore, tackling trolls & parenting in a social media world

0:00Coming up, Beverly and Nathan Henry. I've got trolled a lot. It was mainly on Twitter and it was really weird. It was by straight white men. It sounds disgusting. I've brought shame to the show. I've ruined the show. How did you feel about this Beverly? I have to keep an hour short. She got banned from social media. Oh, did you? Yeah. Kids nowadays are probably the most open-minded generation. I probably would have came up to you at the age of like 10. I would have been, by the way, I think I'm a homosexual. I do want to adopt. I would like to do Syracuse as well. I would like a mini-me.

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2:27So this is our first part. Well, don't give her sympathy. She's in camp getting like really drunk somewhere, like having the time of a life. Oh, girl. So she's, I know. What I love about this is that we're, well, I was born in North Allerton, which is literally up the road from you. So when we started talking, you were like, where are you from? As soon as you walked in, the accent, do you not notice like Northern people's accent straight away? I do. And I'm always like, oh my God, where are you from? But some people go, oh, I'm from up north, yeah. Yeah, but where specifically? Yeah, because I'm like, I need to know.

2:56Because we might be related to the same person. If someone went to you, though, this is an argument I always have with people, when they say they're northern. If someone went, oh, I'm from Manchester or Liverpool. It's not northern, though, is it? No, it's not. It's not northern. I hate that. You're like, oh, I'm from top north. What, Manchester? That's not northern. That's not north, though. Let's come to North Yorkshire. Right nearer Betty's, though, aren't we? Now, I'm going to play you a video, because Louise has sent this across for you to watch.

3:20Hannah:Hello, guys. as you can see, I am not in the studio today. I'm actually at Heathrow Airport at the moment. I'm on my way to the south of France to Cannes Lions Creative Festival. And I'm so, so sorry I cannot be there today. I know it's going to be the most amazing episode. I'm so, so sorry. Hannah, I know you're going to absolutely smash this. Nathan and Beverly, I'm really sorry I can't be there. You're in great hands with Hannah. Oh, and my parenting fail. Oh yeah, I've got good parenting fail today. So, my daughter is quite the performer. she's very good like I think she genuinely has a talent I think she is going to be on stage so my husband and I thought why don't we enroll her to an actual performing arts really good school so I reached out to a school and emailed them and they replied saying we don't think your daughter would be appropriate for this school I was like why not she's fantastic give her a chance and they wrote back again saying no it's she's not quite right and i said again this is outrageous give her a chance and then they wrote back saying uh this is a university and we take people on from you know 21 and not six so that was my parenting fail anyway enjoy the show are you gonna smash it i wish i was there i will bring you back a souvenir lots of love to you all i love the persistence in that i know why not twice why not why not dare you not accept my child onto this program because it's for a university have you got any parenting fails that you can think of i haven't got that not me but nathan's got lots of feels oh god i know what she's like embarrassing stuff there's build the there's many i mean like lockdown yeah oh i said to him can you dye my hair for me he bleached it and then he bleached it you said no we all bleached our hairs i looked like a boy uh it was like literally half an inch over my all over my head i had to go and get some gray hair dye didn't i yeah what did you use it was like orange so we know we all decided everyone was doing that thing in lockdown where we were all by the way i do let's give some context here i actually did work in north allot at sacks no you you did not work in north allot so i did my training there um i wasn't qualified by the way because before i got to be qualified i went on at Georgia Shaw.

5:37Is that why you stopped working in sacks? Yeah, yeah. Because he went on Georgia Shaw. He swept the floor. That's what he did. Excuse me. And make the coffee. No, I swept the floor and made the coffee, washed people's hair and answered the phone.

5:49Hannah:Yeah, but you didn't cut anyone's hair. You didn't dye anyone's hair. I did your hair. I did your roots once. Yeah, but it sounds like you did that really badly though. No, no. When we were in the salon supervised, I did that great. When we were in lockdown, I bleached my hair, I bleached my sister-in-law's hair and then I bleached my mum's hair. Our hair was fine. No, it wasn't. Megan's hair had a ring around it, didn't it? Yes. My hair turned out fine. My mum's didn't. I've left, maybe she left it on a bit too long. The hair snapped. It did go quite short. It went an awful colour. Did it snap?

6:18Yeah, a lot. It went really short. What did you do? You know, when you do that unveiling of the towel. I didn't. Did you know straight away? I was just like, it's meant to look like this. And I was like, let's get a queer hair dye. And then we went silvery, didn't we? And then you left it out for a while. Silvery. I love that when you brush it. It's like, oh, wow.

6:36It's like a chihuahua now. Yeah. There we go. It's lovely. I've not done it since though. Not because I want you to know. And luckily we were in lockdown. So I don't care. No one's seen it. Well, everyone watched a video on YouTube, didn't they? In lockdown. It was like, do you know what? I'm a hairdresser. I did the whole skin fade on my husband's head. You know when you like shave half of it? Yeah. And then it's just like a thick line. And then I was like, oh my God, the clippers have broken. He was like, babe, like you need to fix it. And he looked ridiculous. My mum used to always cut our hair when we were little.

7:03Did you? Yeah. Yeah, we never used to go to a barber shop. She used to just shave her hair in the garden, didn't you? Yeah. I remember once I was about seven and I was eating an apple whilst getting my hair cut in a barber's, but I had like that crash helmet. The ball cut. I used to think, Dad, I just thought in a while, boys don't fancy me at school. Like fucking crash helmet on my head. Look horrendous. Like a piece of Lego. Actual Lego head going to school.

7:30Hannah:Single, ready to mingle. So what else has he done? My next door neighbour Andrew said to me, Beverly was trying to get in the house. I said, what was it? It was a McDonald's. It was like a bear and it had a flag. It did look like a key. And he was trying to use that as the foot door key. But it wasn't sat on my front. It was sat on their front. And then the worst part about this is I'd lined all the stuff up that was in my pocket in a line. And I was in my pants. I got ready for bed. Are you happy that ring doorbells weren't a thing? Can you imagine washing that back? The amount of times I've tried to get in the house drunk, I would have loved that.

8:04Hannah:Yeah. And there's that time when one of my ex-boyfriends, we went down the stairs and there you were, bullock naked, on the sofa, legs up like a little hamster. What? Like this? Yeah. He was literally sat laid on the sofa like this with his legs up, bullock naked. When? Oh, I can't do anything. I've literally just clenched my legs in. When was this? Well, I don't know what year it was. was this like Geordie Shaw filming era no this was before oh no this was before this was your audition to get on the show this was literally this is how I think I got there because I was a mess before that wasn't I well I say a mess I was just young young and dumb but you've been on the show since like 2015 haven't you yeah yeah so you're like one of the longest standing well as I if you've ever blasted synth beats from your boombox or burn CDs for your besties this one's for you As people get older, much like their music tastes, their health needs change.

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10:29Oh, I see. Yeah, so even though we're not originals, technically, we've outdone the originals. If any of them are watching me, I'm watching this. No, it's true. God, and you're still really close, you and Chloe, aren't you? Yeah, I literally was messaging on the train, wasn't I, when we were all the way down here. And how did that come about, you going onto Geordie Shore? So you've got these stories of like, you being a bit wild, bollock naked like a hamster at home you were just like you know what i think this this this is a good thing for you how did it come about well the funny thing is my mom and my brothers used to used us to watch it all the time didn't you i didn't really watch it that much these would watch it religiously every tuesday yeah and like every now and then i would watch it and the people that were scouting for jordy shore they came to darleton and then one of the girls who does the scout and she'd heard of all these stories about me being drunk and like being crazy and she was like we really want you on the show and I was like I don't think so I was like I'm not going to get my hopes up because I know you're not going to put me on she kept hounding me and hounding me and then eventually she rang the house phone and I was like she was like would you come to me on audition in Newcastle and then eventually I went along and I got a phone call and they were like we want to put you in the house and I was like what I was like this is crazy and what did you say when he was like oh my god I'm going in the house on Geordie Shore

11:46Hannah:tell you to do that I think it was just because what when Nathan tells you something you just go with the floor because he'll change his mind two minutes later oh really yeah and then he'll change it again then he'll change it again so you just have to wait till that moment and has he always been like that oh yeah since he's been now yeah and when he was born were you like you could because I feel like I know I've got three kids two boys and a girl and within the first week I feel like I knew their personalities from like being babies where, you know, I could tell one of them was a bit high maintenance.

12:18What was he like as a baby and a toddler?

12:21Hannah:He was very, how can you say it? Like he used to love playing with his dolls and - Flamboyant. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, where the other ones weren't, they were in the mud. But Nathan used to constantly smell his fingers. Did you? He would touch something and he would - He would sniff the fingers. All right. Didn't matter what he was doing. He would constantly smell his fingers. I used to get shawled. What were you sniffing for? I just liked smells. Like a sensory thing. Yeah, sometimes if you have... This sounds bad. Sometimes if you have to have been in the toilet, not because I was smelling for poo or anything like that, but it's just like, it's a different smell.

12:59Like if I'd been outside or I touched something, it's like different. I still do it now a little bit. Especially if I've eaten, I'm always like... It's just like, I like scents. I think that's it was probably a sensory thing wasn't it? Yeah that is quite a sensory thing Is it? Yeah yeah it is Yeah but it's annoying and all Yeah because I do it in the most inappropriate place so my mum would put your fucking hands down now and I'd be sat there going like that sniffing my hands All of a he was No that's because I've got hair fever And then what was he like from like a toddler age to a young boy was he like well behaved was he a bit mischievous?

13:33No you were you were really well behaved

13:35Hannah:actually yeah He used to cry a lot and all that Did I? Yeah. Was he a good sleeper? No. Or was he not? No. Why are you pulling that face? He used to cry all the time. I used to cry a lot. Like I repulsed you, I'm your child. What, you cried all for what? Your dad used to just put you in the car and take you for drives for hours on end to shut you up. And did it work? Eventually. That must be why now as an adult, sometimes if someone else is driving, I fall asleep in the car. Are you a car sleeper? Yeah. Well, that'll be why. There's a couple of parents at my school and I know that on night when the kids work go to sleep, nine o 'clock, the husbands are just driving up and down on the motorway to make sure the kids have got asleep and like the parents are knackered but the kids have had a sleep but those kids now fall asleep in the car yeah that's what like now if i'm in the car with my boyfriend if he's driving i'm like that on a train i bet you remember when we get the train home kaput oh if i'm not driving the vehicle obviously because i need to be awake but if i'm not driving it literally like it's a sense of it puts me to sleep great company on the train journey yeah yeah i mean bring your mum to work day when you went on to geordie shore you went on as bisexual didn't you?

14:40Rhys, my brother didn't he when we were going when I told him about the auditions he was like you're not going to get it and I was like why? He was like you're black and you're gay and he was like you need to pick a struggle but he was very realistic in that because he was like there wasn't many there's no people of colour in reality TV at the time there was literally none there was no representation and there was nobody who was gay so he was like you can't be both so he was like and you can't not be black so he was like so in my head I was thinking well I guess I'm bi and then I was like it kind of softened the blow and then I was like it was when we got there I think it was my second series we were in Greece and I remember we're in the back of a taxi and the boys were all like the boys chat used to just fucking do my head and you the they literally constantly talked about girls constantly like it was I've never been around all my mates at home weren't like that alpha so being around people that constantly talk about of girls constantly talk about this i was just thinking this is fucking exhausting yeah because i i can't relate to that and i was just remember i got out and i told one of the producers and i was like i can't do this anymore i just like what she's like what the show and i was like no i was just like i need to tell i'm not bi i'm gay and i was like i can't sit in that car and talk about girls saying i want to do this i went oh that girl was so fit that's not who i am but had you been doing that when you first went on the show to start with and it was like forced because yeah Yeah, it was kind of false.

16:03I was thinking, God, I need to fit in. And sometimes even when we had chats in the boys' bedroom, I would sit quietly because I was like, I was so anxious that the camera was going to come at me. And I was like, I know I'm going to have to talk about girls and I might have to say something really degrading. And I'm like, that's not who I am. It's never been who I am. So then when I got the chance, one of the producers was like, right, okay, this is massive. This is a big thing. Obviously we need to produce this, but we're going to let you lead with it. Like, who do you want to tell first? How do you want to do it?

16:28I was like, I want to tell Chloe and I want to tell Holly. And then I want to tell everyone else. And they're like, right. So then like we built up the way to do that, like through a few episodes. And did you get that apprehension again, as you did telling your family that you were gay because you knew it was going to be televised? Were you a bit aware of that or not? No, when you're, it's really weird because when you're filming, like you might get it a bit like this, when you're filming, you forget sometimes the cameras are there. All the time. And you get lost in such conversations. So it's like not once did I think this is going to be on telly.

16:58And not once did I think this is going to help anyone either. it was more I need to do this so I'm making this at work environment more easier for me yeah because I was like I knew I could be myself on the girls yeah I just needed to bridge that gap with the boys so that when they're having these chats about girls I can like the pressure of me having to join in is gone yeah and then but then also then there is a moment when I was coming out I've got I'm sat here I've got the cast lined up there and I've got a whole crew of like a hundred people behind the scenes because everybody turned up for this scene and i was thinking fuck my actual life i was like well you've told them you want to come out now so you've got to that many people yeah and then literally i told them like me and the cast all had like um a hug and then once they put the cameras down every single person on the crew came up then i started bawling we were all crying hugging they're like you don't understand what you've just done for the show you don't understand what you've just done.

17:55Like, it was bigger than, at that point, it was bigger than me. What was the reaction like when it went out? On the telly? Yeah. So, obviously, from the crew cast, everything was amazing. I won't lie, a lot of the, I got trolled a lot. It was mainly on Twitter and it was really weird. It was by straight white men. Straight white older men and some of them had kids in their profile pictures, which I still find bizarre. They're like, you ruined the show. That is the worst bit. Yeah. And some of them were like, calling me the F word. saying I was disgusting. I've brought shame to the show. I've ruined the show.

18:28Hannah:How did you feel about this, Beverly? I have to keep my mouth shut. I do have to bite my throat a lot. She got banned from social media at one point because she'd like me back. And I was like... Oh my God, what did you do? I was searching the person that was going... I will find you. I was reading books. I was. Yeah. Doing background checks and all sorts of them. And it's got to be like a water for duck's back situation. It's like if you argue with them and then they find out you're my mum, It's kind of giving them what they wanted. Like they wanted that nibble. But it must be hard in that moment for you to read comments about yourself.

19:00Hannah:They've got young kids themselves. How are they going to react towards that child if their children come out? Yeah. How are you going to handle that if you can't handle someone on TV that you don't even know? Yeah. And just feel the need like a middle-aged white man to comment. Yeah. And say something to you and you've just poured your heart out and not realising how many people that you will have really had an impact on. That's what boggled my mind, that people that don't know me have such an opinion. But not only that, your kids are in your profile picture. And also now everything is chronically online.

19:34If you end up having a queer child, at some point your child will find that tweet that you've tweeted me and they will have questions or that's going to put fear in them. The fear of it's going to put a massive amount of fear in them that they've seen their parent being homophobic, they're queer, and they're just going to put two and two together and be like, I can't tell my dad. And then when that child does eventually come up to him, that dad's going to have that question of, what is it that I've done that's not created this safe space for you to feel you can't tell me? And the child's going to turn around and say, you tweeted someone saying this.

20:06And then that's the moment that, hopefully if it does happen, or I hope it doesn't, that dad will be like, shit. That's not who I am now, son. or that's not who I am daughter. But yeah, I shouldn't have done that. And I don't know, in 20 years time, I might get an apology tweet. But I told my mum already, didn't know that I was gay before I went on the show. And how old were you when you told your mum you were gay? It was before uni. You were the first person I told, weren't you? I think. Yeah, no, you told me. No, second person. I told Vicky first. And then I told you. What, Vicky Patterson? No, no, Vicky, one of my friends from home.

20:40I told her because she told me something first. That was like a big secret. So I was like, oh, well, I've got a secret too. So I told her that to make her feel comfortable. And there was a girl that fancied me. Vicky was like, maybe she's just not into girls. Then that girl came out in the smoking area in the nightclub. I was like, are you gay? And I was like, oh, crap. And then literally two days later, I was like, I need to tell my mom before this all blows up. And then, so that was, yeah, that must have been when I was in college. So it must have been about seven, between the ages of 17 to 18, I told my mom.

21:08Yeah. And how did you tell your mom? I was, I've been drinking. It's like on the street. Really? As you do. It was naked.

21:15Hannah:Oh no, you had to close up. And I came home. It wasn't actually quite late, but you were in bed. And I was like, I need... No, I wasn't. I'd been working, hadn't I? I'd been... Because I used to do security work. You came in. I was making a cup of coffee. And you said, I need to talk to you. And I went, Nathan, I'm going to bed. Yeah, and then I followed her. And it was like, I need to talk to you. I need to talk to you. Crying. I need to tell you something. I was like, I'm going to bed. Because like... It's making me feel sick. Because I can't remember. How did I say it? You just come out. with it but you like slurred it because yes you just went by the way i'm bisexual i went no i said i'm gay i didn't tell you i was bi i'm sure you told me you were you were bad no you didn't you told me you were bi i sat and waited for about 10 minutes and you just looked at me and went what the fuck do you want a medal and i was she was like go to bed and i was like just on a bloody night shave day yeah and then i was like in the morning i was like not too sure how of that went she wasn't mad about it she didn't really care she wanted me to go but and then the next morning i was eating my weebugs in the front room we just walked in all nonchalant and went still gay then and i was like yeah and then she's like oh get dressed and then we went out didn't we shopping for the day yeah and i was like oh well that was great and were you apprehensive about telling your mom that you were gay yeah i think i was apprehensive about telling anyone because it's like it's a sense of feeling different and then it's like the feeling of not being accepted by the people you're closest to yeah so it's like i could end up with no parents no siblings living on the street i'm in college i want to go to university like i've got my whole life ahead of me it's like you've got all them things weighing on you at the time i really fancied my best friend i thought i was in love with him so it's like you've got all that going on and it's like oh that's so that's so much yeah that is so much for you to go through but yeah the apprehension and worry oh yeah everything that you'd sort of built up in your head leading up to that moment i love how you just like right is that it then okay right i'm going to bed and how did it feel at that moment for you that you knew that all of that worry and anxiety was for nothing the massive sense i slept like a baby that night like it was just a sense of relief because it's like well i know i can rely on my mom so it's like okay that's one when you've told one person it just makes you feel so much better because it's like i don't have to pretend now in front of my mom so like if i'm texting a boy or like if i want to go meet a boy or like if i've sat fancying a boy i can go to my mom then because she knows now at least one person knows whereas prior to telling you if i had them feelings and thoughts i'm like i really can't speak to anyone about this yeah and how isolating and lonely for you feel lonely and especially as a bloody teenager like yeah it's your hormones are everywhere you just you don't know like you can't navigate things and then obviously with your parents aren't no don't know anything about you it's like it makes it even more difficult to navigate that and it's just it was a really confusing time but then obviously when I told you it was like and were you surprised at all because it sounds like you weren't from him being younger did you have your thoughts of maybe I've got a photograph somewhere in the house where you dressed up you know in a dress and I think you were only about two years old the snow white one I stole from nursery yeah I love that dress stole it I got shouted out for that though I did get punished but I stole that I love that dress so much and then when like when I used to go out they used to put you and Rhys used to like do shows didn't you for the babysitter all the time oh for Jenny yeah I orchestrated that of course you did oh I love that of course you did you know she talks about that every time I see you walking the dog she's like oh yeah I remember we used to dress I used to always dress as the girl roles so I'd be the witch I'd be the evil queen my brother would either be like my minion or creature or he'd be another villain I love how you I can just imagine you being like I'm having the main part no of course like when we when we sat down for the show you've been staring at yourself on that TV and you were like oh my god this lighting the lighting is so good I keep looking at myself catching my eye I'm like who's that oh it's me you were like when we do the filming on Geordie's show I'm going to ask for this exact set up next week now I love the fact that you've been so supportive about your journey my brother's gay and um he came out when he was 28 which is quite late really um for for coming out as and i i mean i i guess i felt really guilty because um when he told me that he was gay i'd picked him up from the airport he'd been away uh living abroad for a period of time and he was like there's something i need to tell you and i was like right and i was literally getting married like 24 hours later so we're driving on the motorway and he was like i need to tell you something but i'll tell you when we stop at the services bloody hell and i was like andrew like if you hurt someone and he's like we're from a little town up north he was like no i haven't hurt anyone i was like all right thank god and then i went really quiet i was like do you need money because i haven't got any we've got to get married like i've spent all my money and more on this wedding and he was like no i don't need money like and then he just said he was like i'm gay and i was like what did you say how did you react i was like oh thank god for that and then we stopped at a service station and he was quite emotional about it.

26:19You know, where we, again, we grew up in like a market town where people get married, have kids, didn't really have any friends that were gay. And in that moment of him talking, I felt so bad that I was thinking, I should have supported him more than this because I hated the fact, and it's exactly what you were saying there. It's like all these confusing factors in his head as we've grown up together and I've just been completely unaware of. But the thing is, you would be none the wiser of that because it's like, I feel like in a way, as a queer person, we kind of have to go through that ourself because I think it's coming to terms with them things.

26:58It's dealing with the battle that you've got inside your head and facing that head on. That is what brings us to, obviously unless you're outed or anything like that, that's kind of what brings us to the point where we feel comfortable to say, I am gay. And it's not because no one created a safe space for us. it's it's i think it's literally everything that's in our head that's stopping us yeah from doing that so i don't think you would have like i know you would obviously it's nice that you would have felt like oh what could i've done better what what could i've done different i think it's more i think even if you did create a safe space where we were open on this i still think there would still be well you did but like even if it was like you were so open from like do you know what i mean like if you were telling me about people who were gay like since i was 10 i still think I would have found something to hold back from saying it because it's just it's it is quite a big thing that you've yeah you've got to share not only that when you once you've said their moments and their words it's like you don't know whether your life's going how your life's going to change yeah and you do hear the horror story oh yeah of like you know um people that are not accepted by the families and parents aren't supportive and it's like you've obviously created this amazing space like is there anything you would change in your head of how you or any of your family members kind of reacted or was everybody just kind of...

28:11Everyone's been fine, haven't they? Let's be... No, there's one thing that just came to my head there. Firstly, she said, I said to my mum when I came out, then went shopping, I went, please don't tell anyone. Don't tell anyone. She's like, well, if anyone's got a problem, they'll have to go through me. Then she was... You said you used to be a security guard. You kicked the shit out of anyone. There's going to be all the bad. She beat the fuck out with it. But then the next week, her and all my aunties went to town and get drunk. And then she came, because I used to hand out flyers, like in Darlington, and she came totalling, swanning down the street ahead of all my aunties.

28:45She goes, oh, by the way, I've told them all you get and not one of them's got a problem because I told them if they did, they'd have to go through me. Then one by one, each auntie came, oh, hiya, your mum's told us the news. Oh, we love you so much, which is really nice. Yeah. And so my mum's like, see you later, totalled off and I'm like, right, firstly, I'm glad that you've told them because obviously it saved me doing a job. But I'm just like, what the fuck? But I thought that was quite nice because it was like kind of like, I think that helped in a sense, like you softened the blow. Like you took, like obviously all my aunties knew anyway, like didn't they?