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Podcast Episode Notes: On The Market - "A $48T 'Structural Shift' to the Housing Market is Only Just Beginning"
Episode Overview In this episode, hosts Dave Meyer and his expert panel discuss the anticipated "structural shift" in the housing market, driven by the aging Baby Boomer generation. They explore the implications of this demographic shift, particularly regarding home prices, inventory levels, and potential investment opportunities for real estate investors.
Key Themes and Discussions
The "Silver Tsunami" Concept
- Definition: The term refers to the expected influx of housing inventory as Baby Boomers downsize, age in place, or pass away.
- Current Status: Contrary to predictions, a significant wave of inventory has not materialized despite the aging of the Baby Boomer population, who now average in their 70s.
Implications of Baby Boomer Aging
- Home Ownership: Baby Boomers hold approximately 41% of all U.S. property.
- Generational Wealth Transfer: As Boomers age, there is an inevitable transfer of wealth and property to younger generations, which has the potential to impact market dynamics.
The Reality of Inheritance and Sales
- Inheritance Trends: A record 34% of property transfers in 2025 were due to inheritance, suggesting that many homes may not enter the market but rather be passed down.
- Market Impact: The discussion centers on whether heirs will retain these properties or sell them, which will significantly affect inventory levels and market prices.
Structural Changes to Home Price Appreciation
- Future Price Trends: The hosts argue that the end of the Baby Boomer era could lead to a permanent change in home price appreciation dynamics.
- Potential Outcomes: Inventory levels may rise, leading to slower appreciation rates in the housing market over the next decade.
Key Takeaways
- Current Market Dynamics:
- Inventory levels are currently low, and Baby Boomers are not selling their homes in large numbers due to lifestyle preferences and financial stability.
- The aging demographic might eventually lead to an increase in inventory, but it will occur gradually over the next 10 to 20 years, likened more to a "tide" than a "tsunami."
- Investment Strategies:
- Investors should consider focusing on cash flow rather than relying on appreciation.
- Underwriting for low or no appreciation is recommended to adapt to a potentially stagnant market.
- Regional Variances:
- The impact of aging demographics will not be uniform. Rural areas and aging suburbs may experience the most pressure on home prices, while urban markets might see different trends.
Conclusion The episode emphasizes the importance of understanding current and future demographic trends in real estate investing. With Baby Boomers aging and their property holdings in transition, investors must adapt their strategies to navigate a changing market landscape filled with both challenges and opportunities.
Additional Resources
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- [Fundrise - Future of Real Estate Investing](https://fundrise.com)
- [On the Market Newsletter](https://www.biggerpockets.com/newsletter)
- Previous episodes for further context:
- "You Have Until 2031: What Happens When Population Goes Negative?"
- "75,000 'Relistings' Could Hit the Market, But Inventory WON’T Explode?"
- "Melody Wright’s Honest Take On the 'Worse Than 2008' Crash Claim"
Host Information
- Dave Meyer: Chief Investment Officer at BiggerPockets, providing expertise in real estate trends and investment strategies.
This episode serves as a crucial resource for real estate investors seeking to understand and adapt to the shifts occurring in the housing market due to demographic changes.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Silver Tsunami: Anticipation vs. Reality
0:47 to 2:10
Exploration of the anticipated impact of the baby boomer generational shift on the housing market.
“I'm Dave Meyer, Chief Investment Officer at BiggerPockets.”
Understanding Boomer Ownership and Market Impact
2:10 to 4:17
Discussing the significance of boomer ownership in the housing market and its implications.
“Like all the people calling for this silver tsunami have been saying for more than a decade now.”
Reasons for Boomers Holding on to Properties
4:17 to 10:12
Analyzing why boomers are not selling their homes and the factors influencing their decisions.
“You probably know this, but boomers, biggest generation in the US for a very long time.”
Future of Housing Market: Inheritance and Transfers
11:20 to 14:00
Exploring the potential future of the housing market as boomers pass on properties to their children.
“You know that moment when you open your bank app and brace while it loads?”
Generational Shift in Housing Market
14:00 to 15:06
Learn about the implications of baby boomers aging and their impact on housing supply.
“of right now, the oldest baby boomers are starting to turn 80 in 2026.”
Inheritance Trends in Home Ownership
15:09 to 16:12
Explore how inheritance affects home inventory and market dynamics.
“I said this at the top of the show, and it is true that this transfer that we are seeing from boomers to millennials or to Gen X is already starting to happen, and it is accelerating.”
Financial Preparedness for Inherited Properties
16:15 to 17:19
Understand the challenges young Americans face when inheriting real estate.
“And if you just presume that's right, which I think some people are going to be very unpleasantly surprised to find out that they don't actually inherit a property.”
Market Response to Home Inheritance
17:20 to 19:25
Discuss the likelihood of heirs selling inherited homes and market consequences.
“I think it's probably going to be 30 to 50 percent, which is still a lot, right?”
Long-Term Inventory Trends
19:27 to 21:47
Analyze the projected impact of demographic shifts on housing inventory over time.
“And again, I am extrapolating a lot of data here.”
Counteracting Forces in the Housing Market
21:48 to 23:18
Examine how millennial home-buying behavior affects inventory and market stability.
“It is something that is going to happen over the course of a decade or more.”
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International Perspectives on Housing Markets
27:14 to 28:00
Gain insights from housing market trends in Japan and Germany as they relate to the US.
“I'm Dave Meyer talking about the generational shift happening in the housing market.”
Demographic Comparisons: USA, Japan, and Germany
28:00 to 29:32
Explore how aging populations in Japan and Germany offer insights into potential housing market trends in the US.
“And I want to dive into that just for a second here, because there are other advanced economies that have similar demographic situations playing out a few years ahead of us.”
Shifts in Housing Price Dynamics
29:32 to 31:03
Understand the factors influencing U.S. housing prices as demographics change over the coming years.
“We also can look at Germany really quickly.”
Predictions for Housing Market Trends
31:03 to 32:33
Discuss various scenarios and predictions for the housing market's future, focusing on inventory and pricing pressures.
“But let's just game out a little bit what actually might happen here.”
Regional Impacts on Housing Prices
32:33 to 36:12
Analyze how different regions, especially rural and suburban areas, will experience varying pressures on housing prices.
“So if you look at places, I'm going to just call out Florida, right?”
Investment Strategies Amidst Changing Markets
36:12 to 37:45
Learn about investment strategies that can be adapted to a market with lower appreciation potential and increased inventory.
“And I know that seems frustrating, and I know it can be scary, but it really just means you have to change your approach to investing.”
Focus on Cash Flow in Real Estate
37:45 to 40:50
Discover why cash flow should be prioritized over appreciation in current real estate investments.
“And I think we're sort of in the middle right now.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00$48 trillion of real estate could be changing hands soon as baby boomers age and bring their massive inventory of property to the market. Some have called this impending demographic shift the silver tsunami and have claimed it will cause a crash in the housing market unlike anything we've ever seen in the past. But the same people have been saying this for 10 plus years and clearly it hasn't happened. But the situation is changing. Boomers are now on average in their 70s and the generational shift of property and wealth is already starting to happen. We can see it in the data. So will that lead to this long predicted crash?
0:43Will the market shrug it off like it has for the last decade? Today on On the Market, we'll find out.
0:53Hey, everyone. Welcome to On the Market. I'm Dave Meyer, Chief Investment Officer at BiggerPockets. Today on the show, we're addressing a demographic issue facing the housing market as baby boomers, once the biggest generation in the country age and give up the very substantial portion of the housing market that they own in the United States, either because they're choosing to rent, they go into assisted living, or they pass away. And this shift, which I should say is completely inevitable given the demographics and the sad realities of mortality, this shift is going to hit the housing market in a way that aging and people getting older doesn't normally hit the housing market.
1:38It doesn't normally create these structural shifts, but this one probably will. And that is just because of the sheer quantity of housing stock that boomers own. We're gonna get into the details of that a bit later, but for now, you should just know it's a ton. They own way more real estate than you probably think they do. And the generational transfer of these properties, either by selling them or passing them along to their heirs, is going to impact the housing market. But in what ways? Is it going to be a crash? Like all the people calling for this silver tsunami have been saying for more than a decade now.
2:17Does it mean we're gonna have faster sales? Does it mean we'll have slower appreciation? What will this demographic shift actually do to the market? People obviously have very different takes on this. Some people sort of just blow it off and say that the market's going to absorb it. Nothing's really going to happen. On the other end of the spectrum, people are calling for a crash, saying that boomers are all going to sell in a relatively short time period. That's going to create a supply and an inventory spike, and that's going to push down prices. But today on On the Market, we're going to find out what is most likely to happen.
2:50We're actually not just going to spew some hype or blow things off. We're going to dig into the actual data and trends and uncover what this situation will likely bring to the housing market and what it means for investors. We're going to start by laying the foundation. We'll talk about demographic realities and how kind of crazy, insanely concentrated housing is right now in the boomer generation. Next, we're going to talk about the timeline because people have been calling for this generational shift for more than 15 years, at least. I think the term actually started coming around in the 80s, but it started to gain ground in 2008 to 2011 is when Some people really started talking about it.
3:31Clearly, that crash hasn't happened yet. But given the inevitability, when will this actually start? Next, we're going to talk about inheritances, because even if boomers eventually leave their homes, which they will, will it all hit the market? Or are they just going to pass it down to younger generations desperate to get a deal on housing? And then lastly, we'll game out what is actually going to happen or was likely to happen. I'm going to pull it all together for you using historical precedents, examples from other countries, and we're going to bring in the other dynamics of the housing market that we talk about a lot on this show to give you actionable information about this upcoming generational shift so that you can actually do something about it and make decisions about your own portfolio.
4:15With that, let's get to it. So first up, let's just talk about what's going on with demographics. You probably know this, but boomers, biggest generation in the US for a very long time. This was after World War II. There's just a massive spike in births, and this created the largest generation we had ever seen. Actually, as boomers have started to age and unfortunately start to die off, millennials are now the biggest generation. but boomers for a long time were so big that it sort of created this economic force that changed the entire landscape of our country as they reached different periods of their life.
4:50When they were reaching peak home buying age, when they were in their peak earning age, when they were starting to retire, has had huge impacts on our economy. And housing, especially of late, is no different. What the boomers do, because there are just so many of them and they have so much wealth impacts all of us. Just to drill into the housing piece of this, as of now, boomers own 41 % of all US property, which is a lot. For the first time ever, Americans over 70 now own a larger share of real estate wealth than middle-aged Americans, people from 40 to 54. That is not normal. Normally people who are mid-age, who are at the peak of their earnings, who have families, they have the highest concentration of wealth when it comes to real estate.
5:38That has shifted for the first time only recently. Now it's people over 70. That is very unusual. And it's not just mid-life, middle-aged people who are negatively impacted. Actually, if you want what I think is maybe a sadder comparison, if you look at people under 40 years old, they own just 12.6 % of real estate wealth. That is one of the lowest it has ever been and has been completely unchanged for over a decade. So it's not like millennials and Gen Z are catching up. If anything, the opposite is happening where more and more of the real estate wealth is concentrated in older generations. So if we're just tracking the accuracy of these claims about a silver tsunami that's going to crash the market, which I have been consistently hearing for so long, that just hasn't been true as of yet.
6:28Boomers have not been selling in mass and they have largely held on to their real estate. But why? Why are they behaving so differently from other generations? We have some information about this, both from surveys and just some demographic data. The first reason they are not selling and they still hold so much real estate is just lifestyle preferences. Actually, there's a real estate survey from Clever Real Estate. This was just back in 2025. They found that 61 % of boomers, so the majority of boomers, say that they never plan to sell their home. That is up seven percentage points in just a single year.
7:08It went from 54 to 61 in just a single year. And the reason for that, the survey is really good. It dug further into that and asked, why do you plan to never sell your home? And more than half of them said they just want to age in place. They don't want to go into assisted living. They don't want to downsize or find a new home. They just want to age in place. And that's pretty different from other generations. On top of that, 34 % of the people who said that they never will sell their home is because they plan to leave it as an inheritance. And actually, 30 % of them worry that they can't afford a new home.
7:45That's a lock in effect, right? Just impacting everyone across the board. The boomer generation is no different for a lot of people who own their home for a long time. Perhaps they've paid off their mortgage where they have a two or 3 % mortgage rate. it is more expensive for them to downsize. This is something we talk about on the show all the time. This is holding up the housing market a lot right now. And the boomers are experiencing that the same as everyone else. So the point here is that one of the main reasons is people just wanna age in place, right? You see at least a third of boomers saying that they will never sell their home because they are going to age in place.
8:18And that has significant impacts for what's gonna happen in this demographic shift. So that's something we have to keep in mind. But the second reason we haven't seen this flood of inventory on the market is really economic because as boomers started to age, starting to hit retirement age about 10, 12 years ago, for the 12 years they were in their age when they were going from working to retirement, we had this epic run of low mortgage rates and they were able to refinance into very affordable payments even without their salaries, right? even just using Social Security or pensions or pulling out money from their 401k, because rates were so low when they had to make these decisions, they have affordable payments probably locked in.
9:05But that's not all. Actually, less than half of boomers even have a mortgage in the first place. Fifty four percent of them own their homes outright, meaning they are under very little pressure to sell and they have very low cost of living. So unless something forces them to sell, why would you? You've lived in your house probably for 30 years. You've paid off that mortgage. And if it's more expensive to go somewhere else, why would you do that? And so they are under very little pressure to sell. So when you look at these two things together, they don't want to move for lifestyle decisions. And for the most part, they don't have to move because they have the economic wherewithal to stay in place and not sell, that means that this silver tsunami people have been saying is going to crash the market for 10 years has not materialized because boomers have largely held on to their property.
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13:28Welcome back to On the Market. I'm Dave Meyer talking about the generational shift that we're seeing in the housing market where boomers are aging and eventually, although it hasn't happened yet and calls of a crash from a silver tsunami have been way overstated, this is going to happen at some point, right? There is a certain inevitability that boomers are going to die and they're going to pass along their housing either by selling it or passing it down to their children. But that inventory will move in some way or another over the next decade or two, because as of right now, the oldest baby boomers are starting to turn 80 in 2026.
14:05We are seeing that the average baby boomer is about 72 years old. The average lifespan in the United States is about 74. So we are in that time when I think this is probably going to accelerate. And that means that this inventory may finally start to hit the market, right? If more boomers are dying each and every or won't we see all this inventory hitting the market? Well, it could be, but there's also one way that it doesn't actually hit the market. What if they don't sell? What if they just pass along their homes to their children who, I should say, will probably be very grateful for a home with a low basis or potentially even one of those half of boomer homes that actually don't even have a mortgage at all.
14:53This trend of passing along properties to your children is increasing and will play a large role in how big of a quote unquote silver tsunami or generational shift actually hits the market. So let's dig into this for a little bit. I said this at the top of the show, and it is true that this transfer that we are seeing from boomers to millennials or to Gen X is already starting to happen, and it is accelerating. According to Cotality's database, really good data source of property deeds, they showed that in 2025, a record 34 ,000 homes were transferred through inheritance in the 12 months prior to that.
15:32That is actually 7 % of all transfers. So like if you're looking at all movement from one owner to another, 7 % of it is now from inheritance, which may not sound like a lot, but that is the highest share ever recorded. So this is real and it is starting to accelerate. Now, of course, we should mention that's 340 ,000 properties that might otherwise have hit the market, increasing inventory, but it didn't happen. That's kind of the point I'm trying to make here is that a sizable amount of inventory is never hitting the market because it's being inherited. And that is likely to continue. As of right now, 62 % of younger Americans expect to inherit a property.
16:17And if you just presume that's right, which I think some people are going to be very unpleasantly surprised to find out that they don't actually inherit a property. But let's just for now presume that about two thirds of all inventory boomers hold could never hit the market, just pass right on to their children. That will definitely suppress the impact of this demographic shift because inventory may never truly spike. If only a third of boomer owned properties hit the market and that drips out over the next 10 or 20 years, market probably going to absorb it just like it has for the last 10 years.
16:55But of course, there are some caveats there, right? Like I said, I think 62 percent of people inheriting property, probably too high. I imagine that people will be disappointed to find out that even though their parents want to get out of their home, they still have costs like moving into assisted living or they have health care costs and they need to sell their home to actually finance those things. So I think it's probably less than half. But I've looked at a bunch of different surveys. I think it's probably going to be 30 to 50 percent, which is still a lot, right? That's still a ton of inventory.
17:28That's not going to hit a market unless because there are a lot of caveats. here. We talk about 30 to 50 percent of homes just being inherited and never hitting the market. That is a presumption that the people who inherit those properties don't actually just turn around and sell, right, that they hold on to them. And that is another question that we should explore. I actually tried to find data about this and LegalZoom did a survey and found that 42 percent of young Americans don't feel financially prepared to keep and maintain an inherited home. Just think about that for a second. We're talking about what I think most people, at least on paper or in their heads, would dream of as a windfall, right?
18:12You're getting a property either with partially paid off mortgage, maybe an entirely paid off home, owned free and clear. But because property taxes and maintenance costs and insurance costs have gone up so much, 42 % say they don't feel prepared to inherit that home. That's a lot. We actually had a recent guest on Melody Wright who said that she saw that 70 % will sell. I think that number is a little high. I wasn't able to find great data on that, to be honest. But my guess is that even if the historical trend is 70%, like 70 % of people sell when they inherit a home, that that's going to shift.
18:50Like the housing market is just so unaffordable. I don't think there has been ever a more attractive time to inherit a home versus going out and buying one for yourself. I think for most millennials, just speaking as a millennial and how expensive it is for my peers and colleagues and friends to afford homes, I think almost everyone I know would do whatever they can to keep the homes that their parents might pass down to them. Not everyone's obviously getting that, but anyone who might get a home pass down to them, I think are going to try pretty darn hard to be able to hold on to that. So even if it's still a lot, I don't think it's going to be 70%.
19:29I'd say at least 50 % hold on to them. So if we do all this together, right? And again, I am extrapolating a lot of data here. This is not precise, but I'm just saying maybe 50 % of people pass their properties down onto their heirs and then 50 percent of them hold on, that means that 25 percent roughly of the inventory that boomers hold will never hit the market. But that means 75 percent will hit the market. And that is still a lot of property coming to market over the next couple of years. Now, that might sound like the silver tsunami that people have been predicting. But there are three important things to remember here.
20:08First, people aging and downsizing or dying or having someone inherit a home and sell it, that is not new. All the stuff we're talking about are things that happen every day for years. That is always happening. So it's not like we're like, oh, we have normal inventory now. And then as boomers start to die, we're going to have 75 % of their inventory hit the market on top of what we already have. We are already starting to absorb some of this. And although I do think we will see an upward pressure on inventory because of this over the next couple of years, it is not additive. You're not adding all this on top of existing inventory.
20:44It is part of existing inventory. The second thing is that in addition to this being an important part of inventory already, even though this new upward pressure on inventory is coming, it's not like they're going to list all their sales for once. That's why I hate this term, the silver tsunami. It makes it sound like it's this wave that's going to come through and crash everything. But really, what's going to happen is that health decisions or family decisions are going to play out over the next 10 or 20 years. And this will be a long and sustained upward pressure on inventory. But it's not all going to come at once.
21:21Right. I just really don't like this idea of a tsunami. I think it's more like the tide. Right. Like if you think about a tide going in or out, it happens slowly and it happens almost imperceptibly at any given time. But over the long run, the market will change. And I do think that we have this long term upward pressure on inventory, which we'll talk about more in a minute. But that means downward pressure on appreciation when there's more inventory. But just remember, this isn't going to be a vent. It is something that is going to happen over the course of a decade or more. It's already been happening for several years, and it will probably happen for at least 10 more years, according to the data and research I've done.
22:00So that's number two thing to keep in mind here. Number three here is that, as I said at the beginning, even though boomers own a lot of property, they are no longer the biggest generation. Millennials are the biggest generation and millennials are at their peak home buying age. So even though we're going to have this upward pressure on inventory, we also have a demographic tailwind that's working with us. They're sort of counteracting forces, right? The baby boomers were so big, but they're selling, which means there's going to be more supply. But the millennials are even bigger right now, and they're buying, which means that a lot of that inventory could get absorbed.
22:41Now, it's going to be different in different kinds of markets. It's going to be different for different asset classes, which we're going to talk about in a minute. But those are sort of the big picture things I want everyone to remember here. Yes, more inventory probably will come to the market over the next five to 10 years. but there are many reasons to believe this isn't going to be a one-time crash. And that's because boomers have already been selling for several years and it hasn't caused a crash. They are not going to do it all at once. This is going to stretch out for a decade or more. And we have demographic tailwinds helping us because millennials are now the biggest generation in the US.
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27:13Welcome back to On the Market. I'm Dave Meyer talking about the generational shift happening in the housing market. Before the break, I said I don't think it's going to be a tsunami. I have not liked that word for a long time. People have been calling for it for 10 years at least. Hasn't happened because, as we've discussed, the transfer of boomer property to other generations is going to happen slowly, even though it will add upward pressure on inventory for, I think at least the next five to 10 years, maybe even longer. But if it's not a tsunami, what is it? How is this going to shape out? Of course, we don't know exactly what will happen, but we can extrapolate.
27:50We know what's happening in the housing market, how inventory and demographic and demand dynamics are shaping up. And we can also actually look at what's happened in other countries. And I want to dive into that just for a second here, because there are other advanced economies that have similar demographic situations playing out a few years ahead of us. And so we can actually sort of look a little bit at specifically Japan and Germany. Those are pretty good comps, just demographically speaking, as to what's happening in the US. So let's just look at Japan for a second, because they also had a boomer equivalent, right?
28:26After World War II, they also had an increase in births, but it actually happened a little bit earlier. And so almost a decade in advance, we might actually see what might happen in the United States. And what you see if you look at property values in Japan, and they do have a lot of different rules, they have different tax incentives, different structures, all this stuff, you actually saw home prices go down. It wasn't a crash, but you did see home prices go down as their baby boomer generation turned 75 plus. Plus, we are between, you know, 68 and 80 right now in the U.S. who are right in that time.
29:04Now, there are some key differences between Japan and the United States. Like Japan has had a total declining population for a while now. The U.S. still has a rising population for now. But if you listen to the episode I did on this a little while ago, it was a couple weeks ago I did a whole thing on population decline. It is very likely as of right now that the U.S. population is going to start to decline. So we can see some of the shifts that are happening that happened in Japan in the U.S. as well. We also can look at Germany really quickly. Actually, we saw some research across the 22 OECD countries, some of the largest advanced economies in the world.
29:41And basically what it showed was that aging will decrease real housing prices on average by around 80 basis points per year. So 0.8 per year. So that is pretty significant, right? That is a headwind to housing increases. Now, it's important to remember that the U.S. is starting from a structural supply deficit, right? So even though we might see more vacancy, we are starting from a negative, right? And so some of this might just get us back to a balanced market. But as we talk about on this show, all of these things, all these variables, none of them are a silver bullet. None of them are going to change the market unto themselves.
30:20What happens is some things put upward pressure on prices. Some things put downward pressure on prices. And our demographics in the United States, which have been huge accelerants for housing prices over the last several decades and still are today and I believe still will be for the next five years or so. In starting the 2030s, maybe beyond that, it might become downward pressure on pricing. Doesn't mean you can't invest. Doesn't mean that housing prices are going to crash. But it's sort of a flip. It's a flip of a switch from a tailwind where it was helping appreciation to a headwind where it was going to hurt appreciation.
30:56That to me is sort of the big takeaway here is that it's probably going to be a tailwind for appreciation. But let's just game out a little bit what actually might happen here. As I do with housing predictions every year, I like to just offer different scenarios. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know exactly how this is all going to play out. But I've done a lot of research on this, and I do think I can share what's the most likely scenario, at least the way the data looks today. Similar to where we are in the Great Stall, I think this is going to play out very slowly, sort of like a slow grind, right?
31:28It's the wave, it's not a tsunami. It's, like I said, it's this sort of rising tide of inventory. Boomers, probably going to continue aging in place for as long as they can. They're probably gonna transfer property to their heirs gradually. and many of those heirs I think are going to choose to occupy or to rent out. Again, they don't have to move into it. They can rent it out rather than sell. And I don't think we're going to see this massive tidal wave that everyone's predicting. Not all of this inventory is going to hit the market. I think it's probably closer to 50 to 75 percent. That is also going to happen over 10 to 20 years.
32:07And what I think that means is that over the next 10 to 20 years, We're going to see more inventory and slower appreciation. Now, that is on a national basis. And as you all know, that is not really how things play out in real estate. It's not really what matters to most of us as real estate investors. I actually think that we are going to see the biggest downward pressure on pricing in rural areas and in age-dense suburbs. So if you look at places, I'm going to just call out Florida, right? They have a very old population. in those suburbs, they're probably going to have the most downward pressure on pricing out of all of the markets.
32:44You also see that a lot of older folks live in more rural areas proportionately, or I should say rural areas are disproportionately made up of older people. So the pressure prices are going to face are probably going to be more in rural and suburban areas and much less in urban cities. On top of Florida, also call out other places where retirees tend to move, places like Arizona or parts of California. You also see parts of the Midwest, even though they are not sunny, do have high concentrations of baby boomers. And so those are all places where I think you need to look at and rethink what appreciation in those markets might be.
33:22We might see flat markets there for a very long time. So I think we really need to consider that in those specific regions. I'm not saying that on a national basis, but just in these specific places. That's what I think is the most likely scenario. Is there a scenario where it causes a crash? Yeah. You know, I kind of just did a thought exercise to try and think of like, can I think of a way where it where there is a big crash? And I think it has to be some sort of black swan event where all of a sudden maybe there's a massive stock market crash, right, where boomers are losing some of their wealth and need to tap into their home equity to pay for day-to-day expenses and they sell their homes.
34:03That's something I can imagine happening. There could be some healthcare shocks, right? Boomers are in their 70s right now as they get into their 80s. We all know the price of healthcare keeps going up and up and up. And so maybe in five, 10 years, a lot of these boomers are in their 80s. They need money to pay for long-term care. They start to sell, you know, in mass in more of a concentrated fashion. Could those things happen? Yes. But I think that might probably be part of a bigger economic crisis. And so it's not like the boomer situation alone would cause a housing market crash in that situation.
34:40It would probably add to it, though, right? Like if we had a massive unemployment, massive stock market crash, and boomers will be impacted that just like everyone else. So it will be another thing contributing to some challenges for the housing market. But I don't think I have a hard time seeing this situation alone without some other external catalyst causing a full on real estate crash. I think the much more likely scenario is the more boring scenario where it puts downward pressure on pricing, modest downward pressure on pricing over the next five, 10, maybe even 20 years. So that's not great news for appreciation, but again, gradual, not all at once.
35:19So with all that said, what does this mean for real estate investors. I'll just recap this quickly. But basically what I said before, I think we're going to see more inventory. We've been in a very low inventory for the last couple of years, and I do still think it's going to take years to recover. I'm not saying this is going to happen in 2026 or 2027. I talked about this earlier. I think this is more in the 2030s, but we're going to be moving towards there gradually. Over the next couple of years, I think we'll see more inventory recovery. So that's going to put some downward pressure on appreciation, but it also means more deals.
35:52I've said this for a while, but I think appreciation is going to be subdued for a while. It's going to be slow. We might have flat prices for years to come. We may not see real home prices, inflation-adjusted home prices, for many years. I actually, we had Mike Simonson on the show from Altos Research, knows a lot about this. He said he thinks it could be 10 years. And I know that seems frustrating, and I know it can be scary, but it really just means you have to change your approach to investing. It means you have to change your approach to underwriting deals. I personally believe underwriting for very low or even no appreciation is smart.
36:32I think I might even start doing that indefinitely. Actually, when I was writing my book, Real Estate by the Numbers, I wrote it with Jay Scott, great investor. He and I were sort of debating this because I underwrite for appreciation or have for the last 12 years, very modest, two, 3 % appreciation for most deals just because that's what that long-term average is. But I actually think for the next five, 10 years, although it probably will still have some positive appreciation as an investor, if you want to be conservative and protect yourself, I'd underwrite for little to no appreciation. That's what Jay Scott does.
37:06He told me he's never underwritten for appreciation. And that just means you're going to have to look at a lot more deals. You're going to have to be a lot more discerning. But if you do that and you can find those deals, which you can, it just takes patience and practice. But when you find those deals, they are extremely low risk, right? Because you're not counting on any appreciation. You're counting on all those other benefits that real estate can bring to you. So that's the takeaway. Number one, more inventory, lower appreciation, but we are going to get better deal flow. That is the trade-off.
37:38That's how it works. When appreciation is high, deals are hard to find. Then the pendulum swings back and deals are easy to find, but appreciation is low. And I think we're sort of in the middle right now. I don't think we've reached that sort of reality check time when sellers are lowering prices and rent to price to ratios start to improve. But I think we are heading in that direction. This is one of the reasons I am personally going to start focusing more on cash flow than I have in the recent years. And that's my plan indefinitely. Because as we all know, real estate makes you money in four or five different ways.
38:12We got cash flow, we got appreciation, taxes, value add, amortization, right? And because appreciation, I think is no longer reliable. Hopefully it comes like I could be wrong about that. Hopefully it comes, but I just don't think it's reliable. It is not obvious that it's going to boost your returns. So that just means as an investor, what you need to do is just look at those other four things, right? How do you create a deal where some combination of tax benefits, value-add investing, amortization, and cashflow get you the return that you are looking for? I've been saying this for years, but I look at total return.
38:50I look at how my total return is among those five different ways you make money. And so if appreciation is gonna contribute less to my total return, that means those other things are going to have to work a little bit harder. and for me, cashflow and value add are the things that you can really control. Tax benefits for some people, I'm not a real estate tax professional, so I have limited options on tax benefits. If you have those options, I would recommend getting creative there. But for someone like me, or if you're a W-2 employee, cashflow and value add, those are the ways to make money in real estate right now.
39:25That's how I plan to make money in real estate right now. It's why I flipped a house last year, not because I wanna be a flipper, because I wanna get better at value-add investing. And because I'm making that shift, it does mean it's harder for me to find deals right now. I haven't pulled the trigger on anything this year. I do wanna try and buy some real estate this year, but I haven't been able to find anything that has the right return for me. But I will just say, anecdotally, and talking to friends, that better and better deals are coming. I'm looking at more that are interesting, and I firmly believe that more are coming.
39:59Like I said, that's the trade-off, the pendulum is swinging back in the right direction. This may sound like a bold claim, but I actually think over the next couple of years, cashflow will get easier to find. I think that prices are going to stagnate. I think they're gonna fall this year. I don't think they're gonna grow a lot in the next couple of years. But if you look historically, rents typically don't fall as much during these types of periods. They might even grow. And so what that means is rent to price ratios will actually get better, meaning that your prospect for cashflow is going to get better.
40:31I don't think it's going to get us back to where we saw rent-to-price ratios after the great financial crisis, but it will get closer, and that means cash flow will get better in the coming years. And so that's sort of the shift that I am making. Take what the market is giving you. It is going to give us less appreciation. It is probably going to give us more cash flow. Have we reached the part where cash flow is easy to find? No, and that's frustrating, and that means you have to be extremely patient right now, which is what I am doing and what I recommend you do as well. That's at least the way I'm approaching this, but I would love to hear your opinions on this and how you're going to approach investing in light of this demographic shift that is going on.
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A “structural shift” is happening in the housing market—one that will permanently change how home prices appreciate. We could be experiencing the last era of steady, rising home prices as we enter into a new reality—a reality without Baby Boomers owning real estate.
For years, a “silver tsunami” has been predicted to “crash” the housing market. With Baby Boomers downsizing, aging in place, and passing away, the inevitable wave of inventory was supposed to hit the housing market with fury—but it hasn’t happened, at least not yet. With the average Baby Boomer now in their 70s, surely we should start to see inventory fly on the market…right?
Today, we’re getting into when (and if) the silver tsunami will hit, why the end of the Baby Boomer generation could change the home price growth trajectory permanently, and what will unfold in the 2030s (and beyond) that could cause serious headwinds in the housing market. But if it all comes true, investors will have the opportunity of a lifetime to get something many have assumed is gone—cash flow.
In This Episode We Cover
The “silver tsunami” explained, and why it hasn’t crashed the housing market
Inheritance begins to peak—how many heirs will keep vs. sell their parents’ homes?
The “structural shift” that could change home price appreciation forever
Just how much of the housing market Baby Boomers own (it’s a LOT)
The return of cash flow? Why real estate investors will get another opportunity to buy
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