In short
National housing affordability is improving for buyers as asking prices fall fastest since 2017, while pending sales rise; investors should price precisely and avoid overpricing that causes stale listings. The episode also covers a “housing cash crunch” limiting buyers’ purchasing power, entrepreneurial city growth (notably San Antonio), and senior housing’s strong outlook.
Guests (backgrounds)
Dave Meyer (host, investor/market commentator). Kathy Feke (investor/market strategist; references local markets and Build-to-Rent in San Antonio). Henry Washington (investor; focuses on senior housing operations and underwriting). James Daynard (investor/agent; comps, pricing strategy, and flipping/buyer tactics).
Key claims
Asking prices down 2.5% YoY to ~$430k (steepest since 2017) while pending sales up 3.7% for seven straight months. Overpricing—not “crashing”—is driving negative headlines; cuts of 3–5% are meaningful. Affordability is constrained by non-housing costs (example: ~$770 average monthly new car payment). Senior housing delivered 17.3% total return; 80+ boomers drive demand and bed shortages persist.
Notable examples
Buyers “hot summer” when priced right; flippers are “crushed” by renovation/permitting cost overruns. Equity access: $47B tapped in Q1 2026 (per guest discussion). Entrepreneurial growth: San Antonio fastest growing; Miami highest total new businesses; small business creates ~5 jobs per new business. Senior housing: boutique residential assisted living (8–10 beds) preferred over “hospital-like” big-box facilities; advice to meet operators before buying.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCurrent Market Conditions
0:42 to 1:12
Discussion of the current state of the housing market, including price declines and buyer demand.
“Today we have Henry, James Daynard, and Kathy Feke joining us.”
Selling Strategies in a Changing Market
1:12 to 2:28
Advice on how to sell homes effectively in a market with dropping prices.
“And I mean, besides if you're in San Francisco or kind of in Kathy's neck of the woods, things are not selling quick and they're selling for below.”
Understanding Buyer Behavior
2:28 to 5:00
Insights into buyer psychology and the importance of pricing homes correctly.
“They rack up days on markets and it becomes the property where everyone thinks there's something wrong with it, even though it was just the price.”
Affordability Challenges and Market Resilience
5:00 to 7:44
Discussion on the challenges of affordability in housing and the resilience of the market amidst these challenges.
“So you got to price accordingly in today's market, not about your performa, not what you want.”
Affordability Challenges and Market Resilience
12:16 to 13:06
Discussion on the challenges of affordability in housing and the resilience of the market amidst these challenges.
“Quick word about a new pro perk you'll want to know about.”
Affordability Challenges and Market Resilience
13:21 to 14:28
Discussion on the challenges of affordability in housing and the resilience of the market amidst these challenges.
“I wouldn't just be looking for someone who checks a few boxes on a resume.”
Entrepreneurial Growth in U.S. Cities
15:37 to 19:39
Discussion about the fastest growing entrepreneurial cities in the U.S.
“I'm here with Kathy, James, and Henry going through today's headlines.”
Entrepreneurial Growth in U.S. Cities
20:34 to 22:15
Discussion about the fastest growing entrepreneurial cities in the U.S.
“B &B Calc makes the numbers prove the deal.”
The Growing Demand for Senior Housing
22:30 to 28:00
Discussion on the demand for senior housing and investment opportunities.
“I'm here with Kathy James and Henry, who's got our last story of the day for us.”
Strategies for Smart Renovations in Real Estate
28:00 to 29:09
Learn how to strategically plan renovations to maximize property value and rental options.
“Then frame your door jams for ADA, put in ADA conscious finishes, and you can still rent it out the traditional way, still do your burr strategy.”
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Adapting to Market Trends in Real Estate
29:10 to 30:12
Understand the importance of being flexible and responsive to market demand in real estate.
“If not, turn it into a long-term rental, turn it into a mid-term rental, do something else with it.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Real estate investors love to say that real estate is local. And today's headlines are proving that idea exactly. On a national basis, we're seeing asking prices drop faster than they have in years. But certain cities are seeing surging demand. And some places that are attracting new businesses are poised for a quick rebound. Meanwhile, a lot of the housing market feels stuck. But senior housing is a major bright spot that investors should be paying attention to. I'm Dave Meyer here with Kathy Feke, Henry Washington, and James Daynard. And today we're looking at where momentum is fading, where it's building, and all the headlines investors should be paying attention to next.
0:42This is On the Market. Let's dive in.
0:49Everyone, welcome to On the Market. I'm Dave Meyer. Today we have Henry, James Daynard, and Kathy Feke joining us. As usual, we're going to have four headlines today. And who will I pick on first? James, you have to go first. You know, I brought in an article because I'm about ready to put 15 homes to market right now. And it's all about how do you sell them quick? And I mean, besides if you're in San Francisco or kind of in Kathy's neck of the woods, things are not selling quick and they're selling for below. So you got to kind of prep your stuff right. So the article from real estate.com says after years of waiting, buyers are getting their summer.
1:28It's a hot buyer summer is what this is. So, you know, buyers, they can be who they want. They can do what they want. But what it talks about is national asking prices fell 2.5 % year over year in June to 430 ,000. This is the steepest annual drop since 2017, the last time that they tracked. But pending sales, there's a highlight, are up 3.7 % with a seven straight month of growth. I mean, what we're seeing is just really an affordability thing. The buyers are there. It's just right outside their reach. But I am seeing people kind of freaking out and cutting price a little too aggressive. And or it is so key right now to roll your price out at the right price and not get stale on market because the things that are going pending, at least what we see in our market, they're actually going pending fairly quick if they're priced well.
2:22But the ones that are overpriced out the gate are sitting flat and then they get stale. They rack up days on markets and it becomes the property where everyone thinks there's something wrong with it, even though it was just the price. You know, these are important things because there's a lot of negative energy out there right now. Like, oh, markets crashing. This is no, you're overpricing your homes. That's what it comes down to. Your rents are too high. You can't lease your spot. You're trying to sell your property. It's not selling because it's priced too high. And at the end of the day, besides new construction, there's still demand in a lot of different segments as long as you're priced accordingly.
3:01And this article, I mean, that stat alone tells a big story, right? Pending sales are up, but list price are coming down. Well, they're catching the magical middle, and that's where you have to be. And so, you know, all week I've been comping out these houses. I comped them out three different times because sometimes I got to look at it three different ways in three different time periods and go, OK, no, here's my price. And it's really comes down to three important things. What's the velocity in that neighborhood? What's the days on market? And what is your average from list to pending in the comps that you're using?
3:35The mistake that I see people making is they're cutting price before they look at that data. And they're giving away money because they just need to understand that it takes time. And so like right now, everything that we're pricing, even though we're pricing well, we're still anticipating 30 to 45 day market times. Because if your expectations aren't set right, you can make a bad decision. And once you start cutting and you start chasing your tail, buyers will beat you up. It could be a hot buyer summer because people are getting nervous. It is a hot buyer summer. Yeah, I think we should all get t-shirts.
4:08Hot buyer summer. But are the people you're saying cutting quickly, are they distressed? Are you saying flippers or just everyone? The ones I've seen the most cuts are the people that are either relocating out of the state and they have to move. Those people are going. And then the flippers are definitely the ones that are very irrational because they bought this property. They spent too much on the renovation because costs have been floating, right? Things are changing. Things cost more. You have issues with permitting. It takes longer. So they're pricing it to where they don't lose money at the gate.
4:43And maybe they should have just priced it accordingly. They're not chasing their tail. Because if you start cutting price, a meaningful price drop is 3 % to 5%. That's a big, big price drop when you're dealing with a million or$2 million house. But if you price it well at the gate, it will still move. And that's what the data is telling us. So you got to price accordingly in today's market, not about your performa, not what you want. What is it worth today? Yeah, this market is crushing new flippers who aren't great at underwriting or bad flippers who are just overpaying for deals. I mean, what we're seeing in this market is very similar.
5:19If it is priced right out of the gate and it's done well, like there's some that are priced right, but they're not done well. And so they get showings, but they don't really get offers because there's so many other properties on the market that are priced the same that are done better. So that's where people are struggling. And we're also seeing that there's a lot of buyers who need the affordability and want the affordability more than they want the home to look great. So what we've been doing recently is comping homes based on it just being fresh and clean so that I can price it much lower than what a full remodel would take and allow us to price it for.
6:02And they're selling those are selling better than remodeled flips because people are able to buy something more affordable. And, yeah, it might not be the best looking product, but they don't care about that right now. Now, what they care about is can I afford it? And I can fix up what I want to fix up when I want to fix it up. So you can't just put your house on the market for the number you need? Is that what you're saying? You actually have to understand market dynamics and price it accordingly? What you need has never mattered. I don't know why people think it does. This happens all over the place, too.
6:35You hear landlords do it, too. They're like, oh, I need to make this rent. I'm like, well, good luck. Sorry about your life. Yeah. You just haven't lived long enough. if you ever say that out loud. I used to get that question all the time when we'd sell a house. Like, well, you only paid this for the property. And I'm like, well, no, you're not seeing all the fees in there, but also, does it matter? I'm like, if I was losing money, would you bring that up to me? Would you pay more if I was losing money? No. So if I'm making money, what does it matter? But I think you're right. The thing that's lost in all of the media right now is home buyer demand is up and pending sales is up.
7:11even at a time when affordability has gotten worse in the last three months and mortgage rates have gone up. You know, I've said this a couple of times before, but I think we're seeing sort of like a lot of resilience in the housing market. I know it's not a good, healthy housing market, but considering that things have gotten worse and demand is still there and people are still transacting, I think we're kind of seeing a floor unless, you know, the unemployment gets really bad, but there's no evidence of that right now either. So I just think this is a good thing for investors. This is a stable base from which you can make decisions.
7:46But you have to make rational decisions, as James was saying. You have to learn how to price things right. Are you saying you have to be good at the business of flipping houses to make money flipping houses? I don't know. I don't claim to be a great flipper. But I do know as a buyer, it is a hot buyer summer. It is easier to be a buyer right now. I'm giving people all kinds of stuff they ask for on inspections. Oh, yeah. This is the time. I've been doing stuff I would have never done five years ago. That's the beautiful thing about being an investor. You can also be a hot buyer. Do you want to be a desperate seller or a hot buyer?
8:29All right. Let's move on to our next story. I'm actually going to go next because it kind of relates to what you were talking about, James, earlier and about there being demand. But affordability is really the challenge here. And this is a story that comes from Realtor.com. The headline is the housing cash crunch that has everyone pointing fingers. You can check out the article, but basically it's saying that people are stretched in other parts of their life. and this is creating challenges for the housing market. And I think when people hear the idea of demand in the market, like that word demand, they think that means who wants a house.
9:11That is not what it means. It's who wants a house and could afford to buy a house. And so what we have in this country right now is a lot of people who wanna buy a home but who can't afford it because other things are becoming more expensive. Just as an example, this is crazy, guys. I kind of was shocked. What do you think the average new car payment is right now per month? Average. $850. $600. $700 then. I'm going in the middle. $770. Oh, geez. Average. Insane. I don't understand that. What? But what it was saying,$770. It's crazy. But so the cool thing about this article on Realtor is they did the math and they figured if you bought that car that costs you$770 a month, that takes away$135 ,000 of your purchase price on a new mortgage.
10:03Now, I know everyone in the comments is going to go crazy. You don't need a$770 car. I agree. I'm not saying that you do. It's crazy though. People are spending that money and that creates this challenge of affordability. And you can't turn around and sell it. It's already devalued the moment you drive it off the lot oh it's way worse investment but i think it was just trying to show that people their money is going to other things and it's limiting who can participate in the housing market right now now some of those things are probably voluntary no one needs a 770 a month car but like the article does go on to talk about other things basically you know the cost of food or gas or health insurance or whatever child care those things.
10:49Yeah. Childcare. Absolutely insane. Those kinds of things are pulling people out of the housing market. And for me, I thought the big takeaway is one, like I've said many times the show, appreciation is going to be a little bit muted in the United States for a while. But I actually think this really hits rents, too. Like if you look at, you know, the savings rate going down, all these affordability challenges. Personally, I am going to count on lower rent growth for the foreseeable future until this turns around and we start to see wages go up. Because, man, whether they need to make these decisions or not, that is the average.
11:24That's what it is. And so money is not going to be going to housing if it's going to all this other stuff. Yeah. As I was researching articles for the show, one of the articles I came across said that there's a record number of people that are accessing the equity in their home because life is so unaffordable. So they're tapping into equity to be able to live. $47 billion in the first quarter of 2026. $47 billion. Yeah, it's a lot. Of people tapping into equity. So yes, it is affordability because people are taking that money. They're not always spending it on improving the home. They're consolidating debt because there's a lot of consumer credit card debt that people are struggling with right now.
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15:37Welcome back to On the Market. I'm here with Kathy, James, and Henry going through today's headlines. Who's up next? Kathy. All right. I am going to quiz you guys. GoDaddy reveals the 2026 most entrepreneurial cities. Ooh, okay. What city do you think has had the fastest entrepreneurial growth this past year? Atlanta, Georgia. Dallas. All right, James. I'm going San Francisco. I think it's booming. Yeah, that is true. I was very surprised and they were too. San Antonio, Texas was the fastest growing. I thought that was interesting. And I'm guessing it's because Austin's expensive. So if you want to start a business, you'll just be nearby in San Antonio where the average home price is$278 ,000.
16:23Yeah. It's only an hour and a half or so to get to Austin. San Antonio is a sneaky, huge city. It's the eighth biggest city in the United States. It's massive. Yeah. So it's affordable and yet near one of the epicenters, Austin, of entrepreneurial growth. So that was great because we have our Build to Rent community there that we're just breaking ground. And hopefully it'll be up and running just in time for all these new businesses. And what was interesting is it said San Antonio emerges as the nation's top. And for each business that is formed, five new jobs are created. A lot of people don't realize it really is.
17:01America is built on small business. So most of the jobs are created by small business owners. So that's cool. Like one new business, five new jobs. That's so cool. It's so cool. Now that the city that had the most was Miami. Again, no state income tax. Really? It was over 36 ,000. How many of them are crypto businesses driven by guys in a Lamborghini? AI consulting companies. Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah. And then some of the cities that were surprising was Washington, D.C., which is you wouldn't think of as necessarily entrepreneurial, but that was up high. And then not New York City, but the Bronx.
17:40It's in New York City. I mean, not Manhattan. Yeah. All right. Which, again, makes sense if you want to be near it. I'm looking at your list now. Tampa was on my list to guess. That was number eight. You also have Milwaukee. I like that. I like seeing the Midwest represented here a little bit. El Paso. Albuquerque. Yeah. What? That might be the first time we've mentioned anywhere in New Mexico on the show. When you look closely, it's only 1 ,200 new businesses there, but it's just picking up speed. So it doesn't even compare with the 36 ,000 in Miami. But it's on the map. I like this though, Kathy.
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22:28Welcome back to On the Market. I'm here with Kathy James and Henry, who's got our last story of the day for us. What do you got? Yes, I have an article from Luminant, and it is a senior housing article. So it's saying senior housing is the best performing real estate asset class that nobody is talking about. It says that senior housing delivered a 17.3 % total return last year. And that is driven, obviously, by demographics. It is saying that 76 million people are baby boomers that were born between 1946 and 1964. And right now, the oldest baby boomers have turned or are turning 80 in 2026. And that is what's driving this demand for senior housing.
23:15At age 80, that's the threshold for senior housing. Before 80, most people are mostly independent. So they stay at home or they're in more of like a golden girl's house or some sort of active adult community. But once they hit 80, the need for more structured or assisted care really starts to kick in. And so now that the oldest boomers are hitting that threshold, they have started to take up a lot of these beds. And what the article is also saying that the age of 75 plus boomers is expected to grow more than 4 million people by 2030, which is going to increase the demand for beds even more. And right now, as we sit, there aren't enough beds to satisfy the demand of the aging boomers.
24:04And so for those who have positioned themselves to have assisted living facilities and provide beds, especially ones that aren't feel like these people are living in a hospital. So not the big boxes, but some of the residential assisted living facilities. Those are doing very well because they're providing an option for people that doesn't feel like they have to go live in some hospital. Those beds are filling up fast. People are paying a pretty penny to have one of those beds. And so this sector of real estate is doing very well right now. And what the article also goes on to say is that we're just now scratching the surface in terms of potential here.
24:48So it's not too late to get in. Matter of fact, we're still early to get in for a lot of investors who can use this as a strategy in their markets. And I say investors who can use this is because I was on this train. I was going to do this, but it is very hard, dang near impossible to do in Arkansas. Arkansas is one of the two states where this is very, very, very, very hard to do. Can't do this here. But there is a lot of cities all across the country where this asset class is going to make people a lot of money in the coming years. Yeah. I know some people who are doing it and it is very lucrative, but it's a different kind of business.
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25:29It's business and real estate. And you absolutely have to run a business. But there are options. You can buy the real estate and rent your house to an assisted living facility company, and they can essentially operate the business in your real estate and pay you rent, or you can do both. That's true. My question is, is this going to be the next self-storage rush? Because now everybody's talking about this. I'm hearing like, oh, I'm going to do this. I'm like, oh, here we go. All of a sudden, there's going to be all these houses. I think the barrier to entry is harder here than it is for self-storage.
26:04I agree. with that, Henry. I think it's interesting. How do you get into it and get out of it? Because we were talking about boomers on another recent show. And this is a moment in time where we have this demand. So how do you get into it, but then not have senior housing when Gen X is that age? Because they're a much smaller generation. Yeah, this is definitely something that you have to be paying attention to the trends. And ideally, what you want to do is you want to get in now. You want to operate now while there's demand, but sell while there's still some demand and get out of the business.
26:40So a lot of people are going to sell these businesses, hopefully as a way to get out. But yeah, I think there is a point in time where you can get caught holding the bag. But I think the other benefit is like the sector of this business that's doing the best is the small, almost call it boutique residential assisted living facilities. So I Even when demand goes down, I don't know that demand in that specific sector is going to be super impacted. Because that sector is for people who want to have a feel like they live in a home. They're willing to pay a little more to get that. You're talking eight to ten beds in a house versus what people really want to avoid is going into these massive hospital feeling, big box facilities where there's hundreds of beds.
27:27And it's not it's not the same demand group. Yeah. Let me give everyone a quick tip on this. Go meet your operators. Then go buy the housing. Fill orders. Because I do know people that have bought these and then they put the wrong operator in because they rented to them. Right. They're paying a premium on the rent. And it turns out these people weren't so good of people. And then all of a sudden it turned into a massive mess at their rental property. And so if you want to get into it, like I like the small residential. go find the operators then work a deal what they'll pay for rent what you'll do on the ti's for them on your burrs on your renovations and there's a good opportunity especially if you're buying burrs where you can construct these in you can also build this into your current plan with no plan to do adult living right now yes like if you're doing a heavy burr i'm starting to look at this i got a big rambler in a good area i don't want stairs so if i got a rambler I can burr it out.
28:21Then frame your door jams for ADA, put in ADA conscious finishes, and you can still rent it out the traditional way, still do your burr strategy. And then it's kind of like just throwing an ace in the hole. If it comes into high demand, then you can start swapping it out because you're already doing the construction. So it doesn't cost more. And so, you know, if you want to get into it, but you don't want to get it going, go find a heavy burr, still do your renovation, still do your TIs, just plan a little bit ahead with the hallway sizes, the doorway sizes and the bathroom fixtures. That way you won't miss the boom, but you're also not going to jump in too deep with everyone else.
28:58I like what you're saying, both of you, Henry and James, because you're basically saying optionality. Like if it works great, if it doesn't, you rent it out, you flip it, you do something else. Because like to Henry's point, like, you know, maybe demand stays around for these boutique places forever, great. You're going to make great return. If not, turn it into a long-term rental, turn it into a mid-term rental, do something else with it. It's just a regular asset. You're not buying a commercial asset that is specifically created for this purpose and is going to limit your optionality on how you can actually operate this business.
29:34But the demand is clearly there. The demographics make so much sense for this. I think finding a good way to get a little slice of this trend is a winner for people. Yeah, but that's a great call out. You definitely need to pay attention to the direction the trend's going because you're going to have to pivot as demand changes. You'll have to offer more services or you'll have to change your pricing to compete. So you really do have to pay attention so that even if the demand for boutique doesn't drop as much as demand for others, your price may have to come down in order for you to keep your bets full.
30:09And is that going to destroy your profitability? All right. Well, this was a fun episode. Thank you, Henry, James, and Kathy for bringing them. And thank you all so much for listening to this episode of On the Market. I'm Dave Meyer for Kathy, James, and Henry, and we'll see you all next time.
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Most investors understand that real estate is local. While the national headlines usually tell one story, regional and local data often tell a very different one.
This week’s headlines only reinforce this idea. On a national level, asking prices are declining at the fastest pace in nearly a decade, inviting many buyers to participate in the summer housing market despite ongoing affordability challenges.
But at the local level, buyers and sellers are responding in very different ways depending on the market. Some real estate markets remain at a standstill, with muted demand and very little activity, while others are poised to benefit from new job growth and other economic tailwinds.
Finally, we’ll take a closer look at one of the best-performing but still overlooked asset classes. Demand is ramping up, and yet there is a massive supply shortage for this type of residential real estate. Could we be on the verge of the next self-storage-like boom, and if so, are real estate investors even ready to fill the gap?
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Why housing market activity is starting to tick up this summer
The “cash crunch” affecting home affordability and rent growth
How to properly price your house flips and avoid long days on market
The rental markets poised to benefit from new small business growth
The high-performing asset class facing a massive supply shortage
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