In short
Housing market cooling toward a “national buyer’s market” in 2026, driven by softening prices, rising inventory, and macro uncertainty (including a government shutdown).
Guests
No named guests in the transcript; it’s hosted by Dave Meyer (with prior references to panelists Henry, Kathy, and James at BPCon, but they are not interviewed in this episode).
Key claims
- Case-Shiller shows national home prices up 1.7% YoY in July, down from 1.9% in June and 4.2% in January; month-over-month prices fell five straight months.
- Redfin: new listings up 2.3% YoY; pending sales down 1.3% YoY; days on market averages 48 days (longest since Sept 2019).
- Government shutdown: 17% of Americans delay major purchases; 7% cancel; 24% cancel or delay.
- Shutdown also lapsed the National Flood Insurance Program, pushing private flood insurance costs sharply higher and delaying closings (estimated 1,400/day).
Notable examples
- Florida flood insurance: $4,000/year government quote vs $9,000–$12,000 private quotes.
- Car-loan stress: subprime auto loans 60+ days overdue exceed 6% (record since 2000); average monthly car payment over $750; nearly 20% of car payments exceed $1,000.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOReflections on BPCon 2025
0:45 to 2:08
A recap of the recent BPCon 2025 conference and its highlights.
“Henry did an awesome workshop on deal finding, but he also lost to me in golf just slightly, which was very fun.”
Current Housing Market Analysis
2:08 to 9:07
An analysis of recent data indicating a softening housing market and price trends.
“stuff that has been going on since BPCon started.”
Impact of Government Shutdown on Housing
10:58 to 14:00
Discussion on how the government shutdown is affecting the housing market.
“Dave Meyer here talking about recent updates in the market.”
Impact of Flood Insurance on Housing Market
14:00 to 16:44
Explore how increased flood insurance costs are affecting housing closings.
“Now, the two quotes she got for private carriers were$9 ,000 and$12 ,000.”
Impact of Flood Insurance on Housing Market
18:15 to 19:01
Explore how increased flood insurance costs are affecting housing closings.
“There's a point where basically every investor realizes traditional financing stops scaling with you.”
Economic Weakness Indicators
21:11 to 28:00
An analysis of recent economic data suggesting signs of weakness.
“Now, let's just talk about a couple signs of economic weakness.”
State-by-State Economic Overview
28:00 to 30:06
Explore the segmented economic landscape across various states and its implications.
“These are states that are honestly just spread out throughout the country.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00We are only halfway through October and it has already been a wild one for the housing market. We've got a government shutdown. We've got signs of recession. We've got more sellers jumping into the market, but are buyers biting? We'll cover this and more on today's episode of On The Market.
0:22Hey, everyone. Welcome to On The Market. I'm Dave Meyer. I am just getting my voice back after four amazing days in Vegas at BPCon 2025. Hope some of you were there because they're all great. Every BPCon has been fun, but this one was special. There was just an amazing energy this year. I think if you were there, you would know that. And I was there, of course, but so were the rest of our panelists. Henry did an awesome workshop on deal finding, but he also lost to me in golf just slightly, which was very fun. Kathy participated in a pitch slam for deals and also single-handedly started a 1 ,500-person dance party at the closing party.
1:05James did a great session on flipping tactics and probably closed five deals while on stage. And I gave a keynote about the realities of investing in 2025 and got absolutely wrecked playing craps. It was all excellent. I had the time of my life and I can't wait for next year, which happens to be in Orlando. We announced it the last day of the conference. So if you didn't make it this year, definitely check out next year's conference. I promise you will have fun. By the way, before we get into today's episode, I wanted to mention that we are thinking about doing more sort of small and local events for BiggerPockets in the coming year.
1:43So I would love to know in the comments if that's something that you're interested in and what format you'd want to see. Do you want meetups? Do you want presentations, networking, workshops? What would you value most if On The Market came and visited a town or city near you? Let us know so we can plan more community events and get togethers in 2026. All right, now let's talk about all of the stuff that has been going on since BPCon started. There's a lot going on, of course, but today we're going to focus on a couple things. We'll look at new housing market data, of course, and how really the market is reacting to the slightly lower mortgage rates that we're seeing.
2:26We will also talk about how the government shutdown is actually impacting the housing market, maybe more than people realize. And we'll also talk about how there are signs that the economy in general is softening. Let's jump in. First up, let's talk about housing prices because we just got the Case-Shiller National Index for July. And what it showed is that home prices nationally are up 1.7 % year over year. So they are still up, but they are showing continuous signs of softening because just in June, the month before, we had them at 1.9%. And this is basically just a continuation of the trend that we've seen.
3:07We've actually seen month over month, home prices fall five consecutive months. And just as a reminder, back in January, the year over year number, which is now 1.7%, was at 4.2%. And February is 3.9%, March 3.4%, April 2.7%. So it's basically just been trending downwards closer and closer to flat throughout the year. Now, I personally have I've been saying this for a while now, but just as a reminder, I've been saying that I do think that we are in a correction because the important thing to remember about the Case-Shiller index, which is the data we're talking about today, and there's tons of different price data.
3:46They're all kind of showing the same thing. But the thing that's unique about the Case-Shiller index is that it lags a couple of months. Like, we're in October. We're talking about July data. And so if you extrapolate out this trend where we were starting the year at 4.2%, now we're at 1.7%, we're probably going to be very close to flat by the end of the year. And that's not just inferring from the existing data that we already have. Like I said, there are other data sources that you can look at that are a little bit more current. And those also show just continuing signs of the housing market cooling.
4:22A new report last week came out from Redfin and showed that new listings of U.S. homes rose 2.3 % year over year. So this is just people who choose to put their property on the market. That's up year over year. And it's not up crazy 2.3%, but it's the biggest increase we've seen in over three months. Actually, over the summer, we saw fewer and fewer people choosing to list their home on the market. I think that's probably because rates were still high and we're entering this correction and sellers were just thinking, you know what, I'm not going to sell into this adverse market. I'm just going to wait it out.
5:00But now that we are in the middle of October, I'm recording this on October 10th. And just a couple of weeks ago, the Fed cut rates, rates are about 6.35 % as of today, but they did dip a little bit closer to 6.1, 6.2. And so I think what happened is a lot of sellers listed their home in September, hoping that those lower rates would bring in additional buyers that weren't really materializing over the summer. But unfortunately, that's not what's happening. In fact, pending sales, the number of contracts basically that have been formulated over the last couple of weeks actually fell to 1.3 % from a year ago.
5:41So not crazy. But again, it's the biggest decline in five months. We also saw that days on market, the average time it takes for a property that gets listed to sell is up to 48 days, which is a week longer than it was last year. It's also the longest it's been since basically before the pandemic since September of 2019. And so when you look at all these things together, if you look at the Case-Shiller data that I started off with and you move on to this Redfin data, what you see is a market that is trending nationally towards a basically a flat neutral market. And it could turn into more of a buyer's market where prices are going down on a national level.
6:24I actually think at this point that is probably pretty likely. I haven't yet made my predictions for 2026, but if you remember, my predictions for 2025 is that we'd be pretty close to flat, and it's looking like that one's going to be spot on. I know that can be scary for people in the industry like agents, lenders, or investors, but I just want to remind everyone that this is okay. This is normal. This is part of a normal housing cycle, and actually, there are some benefits to this. If you are a buyer right now, it means that there's more inventory for you to choose from, and you are going to have more negotiating power when you're talking to sellers because they're going to be competing for a limited pool of buyers.
7:07The second thing is that things are going to be on sale, right? You might be able to actually get properties for cheaper than you have over the last couple of years. And the third thing that is, I think, extremely important for the housing market is that affordability is actually getting better in the housing market. I know it's not a lot better, but if you see that prices are relatively flat, like they've been, wages are going up like they have been, and mortgage rates have come down even just a little bit, that means that we're seeing minor improvements to affordability. And we have a long way to go.
7:41Do not get me wrong, but we got to stop somewhere, right? We got to see the tide turn and it has a little bit. And I know that's not great for on paper, whatever, and seeing the equity value of their homes. But if you want to get back to a housing market that's healthy, which I certainly do, I think this is actually something that's relatively positive. Personally, I'm OK with relatively flat prices if it means that we get more affordability back into the housing market long term, because that's going to get us back to more predictable investing conditions and home buying conditions, which is really what I think we all need.
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11:437 % are saying they're straight up canceling plans to make a major purchase. And then actually 16 % said that they might make a major purchase sooner than expected. So that's a little bit conflicting. But I just want to call out that basically 24 % of Americans are saying that they're going to cancel or they are going to delay making major purchases like buying a home. And that sort of makes sense because when you look at how the shutdown is playing out, Pay has been suspended for about 2 million federal workers. There are three quarters of a million, 750 ,000 who have been furloughed, and the rest are expected to work without compensation.
12:28Normally, I think during previous shutdowns, we've seen that those people will get back pay once the government reopens. But the White House has said that they're considering not paying furloughed federal employees for the time they didn't work during the shutdown. So all of these things have really led to a lot of uncertainty for these federal workers. And I'm sure there are other people who aren't federal workers who are just looking at the chaos in Washington right now and are saying they don't want to make a major purchase given all this uncertainty. There's also a ton of other Americans who work for private companies, but they don't get paid.
13:05They don't go to work because their work relies on government projects. So all these things are combining to impact the housing market very directly. That's the first thing. There's a second thing, though, that I'm not sure everyone has noticed. But when the government shut down on October 1st, the national flood insurance program lapsed, meaning that the government-sponsored flood insurance is no longer issuing new policies. They are not doing renewals. If you have an existing policy that's ongoing, that is not being canceled. But no new policies, no renewals. And that is pushing people into the private market for flood insurance, which is much, much more expensive.
13:51I was just reading an article that showed a woman in Florida who had previously had a quote for$4 ,000 for annual flood insurance for two-bedroom ranch, already pretty expensive. Now, the two quotes she got for private carriers were$9 ,000 and$12 ,000. So for one, the cheaper one, more than double. For the more expensive one, it was triple the government program. Because of this increased cost and uncertainty, NIR is estimating that this is going to prevent or delay 1 ,400 closings a day across the country. Now, on a national level, of course, 1 ,400 closing a day is probably not going to really show up in the data.
14:36But what's interesting and unfortunate about this is that the areas of the country that are in these floodplains, and it's actually more than you think about 8 % of all properties in the US are in areas that require this kind of flood insurance for most lenders. But most of those 8 % of properties are in states that are on the Gulf Coast, right? You see Florida, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas, and these are areas of the country that are already getting hit by a housing correction. And so when you combine these things together, right, when you look at the correction that's already going on, it's pretty bad in Florida right now in Louisiana.
15:16Other places are seeing more modest corrections, but it's definitely going to cool the market further, right? 1 ,400 sales in Florida right now is actually pretty significant. And the sellers who have had their properties listed for months and are really eager to close and actually sell their homes, these delays and these cancellations are going to be particularly painful. Hopefully, the government will reach an agreement soon and the National Flood Insurance Program will restart issuing policies and renewals. But in the meantime, it could get a little ugly there, especially if you need to get private insurance, even as a stopgap for the time being while the government is shut down.
15:57Now, I was reading that in some instances, it is possible for current homeowners to assign their flood insurance to a buyer. So if you're one of these people who are in a situation where the buyer is backing out or wanting to delay because they can't get flood insurance, I would recommend looking into this. Call your provider and see if you can assign it over because that might be a way that you can actually get through this shutdown and actually close on a property. You could do this if you're a buyer too. Like if you are a buyer and you want to actually close on these properties, see if you can get the seller to assign you their insurance program.
16:32Again, it doesn't work in all instances. Not all carriers are going to do that, but it's worth exploring if you happen to be in this unfortunate circumstance right now. So we'll have to just see how this plays out. But as of now, these are the two main ways the shutdown is impacting the housing market. We got to take one more quick break, but when we come back, I want to talk about just a couple of data sets I've been looking at recently that show more signs of economic weakness, even outside of the labor data that we're getting and what this might mean for the market. We'll be right back. Everybody has a space that's sitting there quietly, costing them money instead of making it.
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21:25Welcome back to On the Market. I am Dave Meyer. Now, let's just talk about a couple signs of economic weakness. Now, I fully admit the economy is totally polarized. There are signs that the economy is strong. We're seeing the stock market near all time highs. Gold is really high, which you could argue is not a sign of economic strength, but asset prices are high. Bitcoin is near all time high, too. Some people think that's because of its hedge. Some people might say that's economic strength. But again, there are all sorts of mixed signals in the economy right now. But a couple things came out this week, the week of October 6th, that just show a couple things that I think are a little concerning in terms of the overall economy.
22:09And I just want to talk about them and how they might impact the housing market and economy in general. The first up is car loans. Now, I've said on the show lots of times, and it is still true, the average American homebuyer remains in good shape. We are not seeing big upticks in foreclosures or delinquencies. They are very minor. For the most part, they are well below pre-pandemic levels. We do see some upticks in VA and FHA loans, but nothing at a concerning level right now. But when you're looking at the strength of the economy, you often want to look at the quality of the debt that is out there.
22:43Because what often leads to recessions is when people can no longer service their debt. They go bankrupt. They default. That causes these ripple effects throughout the economy. So these are things that you always want to keep an eye on. The car loan data is getting just a little bit worrisome. It is not crazy or anything right now. But what we're seeing is that the portion of auto loans that are 60 days or more overdue that are subprime hit a record of more than 6%. That is the highest they have been in any of the data that I've seen going back to 2000. and that includes the financial crisis when they peaked a little bit below 5%.
23:24Now, it's important to note that subprime auto loans are not a huge portion of the market right now, but prime loans, which is basically loans made to more qualified buyers, are also going up. They are not at all-time highs, but they're sort of back near pre-pandemic levels, and they're on an upward trajectory. So both trending in that direction. We also see that an estimated 1.75 million vehicles were repossessed last year. That's the highest total since 2009. And it looks like car dealers are actually lowering their credit standards, which is something I always worry about, you know, having come into the economy and the housing market during the great financial crisis.
24:09I never like seeing lenders lower their credit quality standards, but we're seeing right now, the percentage of new car buyers with credit scores below 650, which is close to subprime, was nearly 14%. That's one in seven people. It's the highest it's been in nine years. And so it just shows an overall weakening of the American car owner. And I'm not super concerned about this right now because it's still a relatively small portion of the market. But these are trends that we should watch out for when we're evaluating the economy. But there was one stat that I had to share with you all because this is actually insane.
24:50New car prices are just they're wild right now. The average monthly payment in the United States, the average for all people is more than$750. That is absolutely wild. That is a crazy amount of money. That is$9 ,000 in post-tax money per year going towards the average car. No wonder people are struggling to make these payments. That is so expensive. Maybe I'm just old and my expectations of what car payments should be is like$350, but man, that seems high. And nearly 20 % of loans and leases, car payments are now above$1 ,000 in monthly payments. That just like rubs me the wrong way. It just makes me a little bit concerned.
25:35Again, I'm not trying to be alarmist, but this is something I'm definitely going to keep an eye out, especially among some of the other data that we're seeing. Student loan delinquencies are up. We're seeing credit card delinquencies up a little bit. So this is just adding to the picture that we're seeing across the economy right now. Now, for the most part, American consumers, their feelings about the economy are down from a year ago, but they haven't really changed over the last couple of months. There is this index of consumer sentiment. I talked about this a lot because it can be an indicator of where the economy is going.
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26:09And what it's showing right now is that consumer sentiment was basically unchanged month over month. It actually just went down slightly from September 2025 to October 2025, but really big decline year over year. So in October of 2024, the index was at 70. Now it's at 55. That's a 22 % decrease year over year, which is down a lot. We see the index of consumer expectations of the economy dropping 31 % year over year. So obviously, Americans, compared to a year ago, feeling worse about the economy. Now, this study is actually put out by the University of Michigan, and they put out this really interesting chart that I thought was kind of fascinating and wanted to share.
26:56It shows that sentiment and expectations for people who have no stock holdings are just plummeting. Meanwhile, people who have large stock holdings are actually starting to feel better and better about the economy. So it just continues to show that in the United States right now, we have sort of two different economies going on. People at the very top of the income bracket tend to be doing well. We've seen data that shows that 50 % of spending in the economy right now are coming from the top 20 % of the market, and their expectations are fine. They're feeling good about the economy. Meanwhile, other consumers sort of in the lower end of the socioeconomic bracket, they're not feeling good about the economy, and that could be a sign that they are going to pull back on spending even more in the coming months.
27:45So this is another thing that we need to watch out for. Lastly, this is just quick, but I actually saw this interesting date on Realtor.com that showed that 22 states, so nearly half of all states, are either in a recession or in a high risk of a recession. These are states that are honestly just spread out throughout the country. You see some in the northeast, like in New England. You see some in the middle of the country, Wyoming, Montana, South Dakota, Illinois, a couple in the south, in Mississippi and Georgia, up in the Pacific Northwest, in Washington and Oregon. They're pretty spread throughout the country, except the southwest of the country.
28:21That seems to still be a bright spot. Not all of them are growing. We see California, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico. They're sort of treading water. Same thing with some other states like Missouri, Tennessee, Ohio, New York. And then there are a lot of states that are continuing to grow. Texas, Florida, the Carolinas, Pennsylvania, North Dakota, Idaho, Utah, Arizona, all still continuing to grow. But it does, again, show that a lot of the country, when you see all this confusing economic data, it's because it's all really segmented. It depends on what state you're living in. It depends on where on the income bracket you're in.
28:58It depends on how much stock and gold and Bitcoin you own. So if you are feeling really disconnected from the headlines that you're seeing, it makes sense because the headlines are broad generalizations. And it's really hard to make broad generalizations about the economy right now. It is totally different depending on who you are, where you live, what your job is, what kind of things you invest in. And so just remember that you got to go a level deeper in the data. But I'm bringing this all up because some of this recession risk could be reflected in mortgage rates going forward. Again, as you may know, when there is risk of recession, that generally pushes down mortgage rates, which could bring back some more affordability to the housing market.
29:40But if that happens and how much that happens will largely depend on inflation data, because if inflation data goes up, it will probably counteract this recession risk. Mortgage rates will stay the same. But if inflation starts to level out and we see more of this recession risk, obviously no one wants a recession. But the one silver lining of that might be slightly lower mortgage rates in the weeks or months to come. That's why I wanted to bring this up. And it's something we'll keep an eye out for here on On the Market. That's my update for today, October 14th. Thank you all so much for listening to this episode of On The Market.
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The market is sending mixed signals, so what does that mean for buyers and sellers right now? Prices are cooling toward neutral, new listings are finally creeping up, pending sales just slipped, and days on market are the longest since 2019. We sort through the latest data so you can read your local market with clear eyes.
A government shutdown is already touching housing. With the National Flood Insurance Program paused, some coastal and riverine deals are stalling as buyers struggle to bind coverage. We explain one potential workaround by assigning an existing policy, plus how many closings could be delayed if the lapse drags on.
Zooming out, we track fresh signs of consumer strain. Subprime auto delinquencies are at a record, average car payments now top 750 dollars a month, and sentiment has split sharply between households with big stock portfolios and those without. Several states are flirting with recession risk, which could tug mortgage rates lower, while sticky inflation could keep them pinned.
In This Episode We Cover
Cooling home prices, rising days on market, and what a near-flat Case-Shiller trend means for offers and list strategy
The shutdown’s housing ripple effects, including the flood insurance lapse and an assignment tactic that may keep deals alive
Why pending sales dipped even as new listings rose, and how to negotiate in a thinner buyer pool
Auto loan stress, four-figure car payments, and what these budget pressures mean for future housing demand
A tale of two consumers, plus a state-by-state look at recession risk and how that feeds into mortgage rates
Action steps for buyers, sellers, and investors in a market that is cooling, not crashing
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