The Gabby Logan Round

0:01Tom Kerridge: Hello, welcome to the Proper Tasty Pub Quiz brought to you with M &S Food. I am Tom Kerridge. And I'm Chris Stark. And if this is your first time listening to the podcast, this is how it works. Each week, Chris, myself and our guests are pitted against each other. We keep track of the scores as we go and we announce the winner at the end. Yes, we are here in Marlowe today for our final episode of the series. And I'll tell you what, we have got an absolute cracker of a guest to end things on. Oh no, the final episode. We've saved the best till last. Sorry to everybody else that's been on it. but we've definitely saved the best till last.

0:32Tom Kerridge: Our guest for the final of the Proper Tasty Pub Quiz podcast is the incredible Gabby Logan. Thank you very much for having me. I love a pub quiz. So I was in, yeah, obviously Chris, Tom, what else did I need? You two and a pub quiz. Absolutely, absolutely. No, I'm so excited about this. And also because it's the last episode of the series, it feels like, you know, a fitting, a fitting end. the end of the season that kind of feeling end of the season yeah i see what you're doing we know where this is going i feel like this is a silly question to kick things off but would you describe yourself as quite competitive um uh other people might uh the other participants uh in life uh that's what not people participants yeah unfortunately yes Yes, I would.

1:25I say unfortunately, I think you can own it now. I feel like in the early part of my career, it was a disgrace to be a woman and be competitive. But now, oh, I know. I mean, I was on Strictly and that was a word that was kind of given to me in 2007 as criticism. She's so competitive. But now, kind of nearly 20 years later, I think women really own the idea that you can be ambitious and competitive. And when I say competitive, it's like wanting to do your best and, you know, and push yourself and try and kind of find out what you're capable of. not standing on other people's heads to get there.

1:56No, I see what you mean. But the idea you would do strictly... Are you competitive? See, no one's asked that. Well, yeah, I'd like to think if I did that show that I would be quite competitive with it. But I would quite enjoy the competition side to it. But maybe you've got to view it more as a popular... Yeah, I mean, I was being kind of like a sports person. If I train hard, I'll do well. And of course, there's the showbiz element to it as well, which is, come on, have a story. You know, have a story. and so I wasn't kind of playing the game perhaps as well as I should have done. Yeah, but Kenny was in the same.

2:28I mean, accidentally played the best story ever. Yeah. So yeah, he was the kind of classic journeyman and everybody just loved the fact that he was rubbish. There's a story for that Strictly. Tell me if it's true. Because it's the kind of thing I think I've repeated in the pub and I'm never sure, you know. So whilst you're here, did Kenny phone up the producers of Strictly Come Dancing when you got kicked out to basically say, kick me out instead? as if that could happen. Yeah, he rang the producer. I was out after about three weeks and it was slightly kind of, it was news at one on a Monday carried the story because it was a big kind of thing.

3:04Of course. I was quite high up on the leaderboard, ended up in a dance-off with Penny Lancaster and got kicked out. And it was quite shocking because I'd scored eights and stuff like that. So it was one of those stories that everybody was like, oh my God, all these rubbish people down here didn't get, you know. And so anyway, on the Sunday night, the producer rang and Kenny said, I'd like to offer my place up. And she said, Kenny, they voted for you because they liked you. Inference being, they didn't like your wife enough. But then people come up to you in the street and go, how come you're out?

3:33And you go, did you vote? And they go, no. Oh, right, I see. You know, so, but listen, it's totally a life lesson, I think, in terms of doing something like that. I loved it. I wouldn't say anything against the show, but it's understanding kind of, you know, how he was able to be really competitive as a sports person. and people like that and then kind of perceived i suppose me to be not the same that's really

3:57Tom Kerridge: interesting are you competitive at home the two of you do you like compete in different ways yeah i mean we like who loads the dishwasher best there's oh i mean there's constant arguments about that obviously um yeah pretty much um we do have organized sport as well like you know rounders and things like that when we have big family get-togethers and there's always a lot of competition on things like that and then an argument afterwards yeah because last time i didn't hear the rules had changed to just two balls and and i was casually thinking oh it doesn't matter i've missed those two balls third ball okay i said third ball and kenny mcnaw playing two balls there's too many people to go and i absolutely lost it and my niece and nephew about eight and nine at the time were like watching their auntie go no no when did we change the rules we didn't change the rules so my kids thought it was hilarious so it's a family trait yeah they still um yeah they still talk about that one but um you know it's all good fun yeah totally and so is this but we will be a bit competitive and don't feel shy about being competitiveness.

4:50No, you're more than welcome. I normally lose, to be fair, Gabby, so it's a battle

4:54Tom Kerridge: between you two. But you never know. He hides his competitiveness really well with just a slightly sad face of puppy-like disappointment. Yes, every week. Yeah, that is fine. Okay, what we're going to do is we're each going to pick a team name as well. Yeah. So what have you gone for, Gabby? I was trying to be creative and I've come up with Logan's Runners. Okay. From the film Logan's Run. That's cool. Logan's Runners. That is kind of hard. That's good. Sorry, I've just clocked. That's good. I always go punny. I'm going let's get down to Quizness very nice it's just simple let's not overthink this and I always give a shout out to a pub with a funny name somewhere in the country so my pub name this week is the Three-Legged Mare which is up in York nice Mare as in a horse yeah don't know how well that would run no big love to the Three-Legged Mare yeah and here we go let's get into this we have a Three-Legged Mudjack in our garden and we were there when it lost its leg and it came back a year later you know the Mudjacks that are local to this kind of part of the world and it got caught on a fence and we called like all the kind of people that you call to come and get it.

5:53Anyway, it wriggled its way out and left its foot on the fence. Our kids were about 10 at the time and they were crying, thinking that this thing was going to get eaten by something immediately because it couldn't walk and it ran into the woods and my husband said, look, circle of life, something else will come down, eat it. A year later, a three-legged munchak walked through our garden and I opened the curtains. I was like, he's lived and he's back. Oh my God. Yeah. I would have to take that in at that point. Okay, so my blood man, You'd have it playing rounders.

6:19Tom Kerridge: Yeah. My popular name is now it's the three-legged muntjac. Yeah, okay. Three-legged muntjac. I've just changed my name. Right, let's get into the quiz. Tom, should we explain to Gabby how this works? So, we've got three rounds which we all host. Mine's always a bit of a loose link to our guests. Tom's is always a bit more foodie and based around an ingredient. Then the final round is on especially a subject of your choice, Gabby. Yeah, we each host our own rounds. We ask the question and then we quickly write down the answer on our score sheets and each correct answer wins a single point. Yeah.

6:47Tom Kerridge: Sometimes. sometimes Sophie Perdue lets you get half a point. Sometimes. So just three rounds? Just three rounds. Yeah. Okay, so I'm going to kick things off. My round is going to be about British sporting legends. Okay. Makes sense, doesn't it? Okay. Do you suddenly feel the pressure? Huge tension. Because you kind of feel like if you get that wrong, then it's pretty bad, isn't it, for me? Okay, question number one. Who is Team GB's most decorated female Olympian? I'm going to go Laura Kenny. Dame Laura Kenny, in fact. I've gone Laura Kenny as well. She came and did Great British Menu when I was filming that.

7:28Tom Kerridge: She was on it and she was amazing and brilliant. We've had professional sports people and Olympians on there as well many times before and they're so good at holding a room in their conversation. They're amazing stories, but they all don't consider themselves superhuman. They talk of it. It's just a matter of fact of how amazing they are. She was brilliant. So yeah, Laura Kenny, that's what I've gone for. yeah I have to the answer is yep Dame Laura Kenny yes I put Trot and then Kenny because she won some as Trot and won some as Kenny didn't she that's the Gabby Gabby Logan difference there everyone is that an extra half point yeah for like yeah

8:06she is also a brilliant broadcaster she did the Olympic coverage for us in Paris and just was so natural so fantastic she's great I just wasn't sure if there was a shout out here for for I think Dame I can never quite remember the titles you know who's won what on that front but Tanny Gray Thompson as well did you say Olympian or Paralympian is that the technicality we're under here I tell you what there is some scrutiny you can be back at

8:32Tom Kerridge: properly I've had quite a long day before this quiz I'm very little sleep and I'm not used to people spying and scrutinising everything I do I'm just going oh my god I'm not going to we're getting away with you well I was just trying to reinforce that you got it right no no no No, it's great. Don't worry. And you can expect this level of detail on Match of the Day. Yeah.

8:55Tom Kerridge: When did you realise that sport was going to be a big part of your life? Well, as a kid, I was a gymnast and my dad was a footballer and all my siblings did a lot of sport, but I didn't think it was going to be my career. I didn't think I was going to earn money playing sport because there weren't many women that could do that, actually. Really, tennis and golf were the only two sports. There was no professional football, no professional rugby or cricket. And so I just loved it, you know, and I enjoyed, I loved watching the Olympics as a kid and I wanted to go there, I wanted to be an Olympian.

9:20And then when I did a law degree, I wanted to go into broadcasting and I worked in commercial radio. So, you know, I was on a kind of breakfast show, funnily enough, in a commercial radio station. So it was only because I kept hanging out with the sports team all the time. The producer said, on Saturday, would you fancy going to St. James' Park and doing touchline interviews for us? Because you just seem to talk football and sport all the time in your kind of spare time. And that's basically how it started. It was a Saturday job that went wrong.

9:46Tom Kerridge: it's not dissimilar to yourself is it no i always turn up somewhere cooking or washing up and ended up ended up cooking ended up cooking yeah yeah i love that and then obviously sport is so prominent in your family you know and and seems to continue to be as well do you think it's just part of your genetics at this point yeah you begin to wonder don't you whether or not i mean my poor mom she really she was one of those mums that wanted us to kind of try everything and she's she'd say you should you know play an instrument at school I mean just we just went to bog standard state schools that had a music cupboard and you go in and you pick one instrument and if you were lucky you got a bit of you know one of the teachers could teach you and she'd be like you should play the violin or you should play the cello or you should sing and you should be in the choir she do the plays and and she you know she wasn't a pushy parent at all but she was all for us doing loads of stuff and we just all disappointed her by doing lots of sport yeah she was keen on the music side well she I think she liked the idea of trying everything and seeing what sticks she loved the fact we did sport because the way she saw it was that it's better to have a passion than no passion at all and you know have something that you really connect with so she was a classic kind of what the americans would call a soccer mom you know driving us all around to all the she had four kids and we were all doing different things in different parts of the city and so yeah we were um i suppose we were natural to a certain extent you know we had a bit of talent but we also were i suppose in that environment where it was what you did it's what my dad did he went out to work and it was nature and nurture yeah there was both love that you've triggered a core memory for me as well do you remember the music lessons at school maybe maybe it was different but we were so lucky if you managed to get the keyboard yeah it was brilliant but i deliberately chose the cello because it was the biggest instrument in the music room and uh sat in the corner there did you ever go why are you looking at me like that like i never had music lessons what do you mean you never had music lessons we never had music lessons no no pre-music lessons was this education what was this and when when would you have music lessons but you did music class music class so you'd go to a cupboard you'd get the instruments did you play the recorder no i remember having recorders like in a little school but then after that there was no music didn't exist well this was only in little school which i would call primary school yeah yeah little school yeah primary school no i didn't really have music no when you went to senior school then you'd have to either be a real geek to have carried on playing music or you did it privately with nobody else knowing that you were kind of you know playing music well occasionally i had to leave class to go do guitar lessons which yeah i did get some stick for to be fair but but you know but look at you now look at me now that second album you know when it comes to music cover though the reason i say the keyboard is you get the keyboard out and i always remember the poor teacher getting so annoyed because we'd just set off the demos and i always remember it was a version of wake me up before you go over yeah yeah and there was a button on there just go DJ DJ I loved it it was great fun I've missed out on something you have I feel I feel slightly left I went to Catholic primary schools so you did a lot of hymn singing so if you could play the recorder or something in church it just made it so much more interesting oh no you were blatantly in charge of the projector as well you give the energy all of us would be sat on the floor and Gabby would be there with the projector just quite sort of monchalant moving it up and down.

13:05Can you read music? I played the piano a little bit, so I can kind of, I can see where something's going, but I'm not very good at playing anymore. It's not a question for a point, but favourite hymn, Gabby? Oh, Kumbaya, my lord. Kumbaya. Kumbaya is a classic. Oh, lord, Kumbaya. Tom? Yes, Nat. Funny enough. Kumbaya.

13:26Tom Kerridge: Yeah, definitely. Kumbaya, yeah. I quite liked the Cauliflower's Fluffy. You'd like that one, I would have. What? I've given you Collard flower What? That's not a game That was a school assembly What kind of church were you in? It was Well it wasn't a church It was just a school assembly banger There's still time to play You don't know And I mustn't forget To say a great big thank you I mustn't forget No? This sounds like your teacher's way Of finishing the day or something It doesn't sound like a hymn at all No To be fair We will move on But there was I'm fairly certain My music teacher Mrs Hall again She was a legend and she'd play the piano in assembly but some of them weren't hymns so I remember one of them was a carpenter's song and I think what she was using I think what she was using us as her own personal jukebox because obviously you didn't have Spotify or anything then and bless her, it was just all of us singing We've only just begun Yeah Unlike this podcast which has been going for 15 minutes, we've had one rest of them Sorry Gabby Sorry Gabby Yeah Question number two Oh god One question Which England player Kicked the winning drop goal In the 2003 Men's Rugby World Cup final We've all got this Haven't we I think so I'd be really disappointed If somebody didn't have it You're not even writing it down No Fine I'm just going to go first I can say it out loud And then it'll be like Countdown I've got to read your answers Go on then mate It's Johnny Wilkinson It was Johnny Wilkinson Johnny Wilkinson I was Johnny Wilkinson Were you there?

14:59Tom Kerridge: Yeah, I was working on the match. You were actually there. Yeah. Oh, my God. I was England reporter. So I was kind of with, well, I was a reporter. Yeah. So I was doing all the kind of big matches. So, yeah, I was on the pitch basically at the end, which was pretty surreal. It was amazing. And Kenny, my husband, had been playing for Scotland in that championship, but they got knocked out of the quarterfinals against Australia, actually. So he was watching and he was watching with a few guys in the stand who were also not English. And they all decided that what they were watching was a British 15 to make themselves feel cheering.

15:30Because a couple of the guys could have played for Scotland, so they decided it was a world kind of exercise. But it's pretty surreal. Just in terms of moments in sport, I mean, I remember being at one of my best mate's house. It was early in the morning in England, so it must have been 7, 8 o 'clock in the morning, something like that. And I was all being in his living room watching this, and it was so, so special. but to be there it must be up there with what is probably your sort of favourite Gabby Logan sporting moment that you've been part of I've been lucky enough to be at some pretty amazing things I was working on obviously the Lionesses winning the Euros I was presenting that Your speech after that was phenomenal by the way Thank you and the 99 Champions League final Manchester United by Munich which was also So a pretty incredible, dramatic finish.

16:23And then so many brilliant Olympic Games moments. You know, I've covered so much of Usain Bolt's career and Olympic golds, as well as, you know, brilliant British moments. But those kind of globally remembered moments, you know. I mean, honestly, I'm probably missing out loads of other fantastic things that I've been looking to be a part of.

16:37Tom Kerridge: They're such epic sporting moments, aren't they? They're just huge. I mean, that's why sport is so fantastic, isn't it? Because it delivers drama that is unscripted. And brings people together. Yeah, and you just can't believe the excitement of it, can you? No. And the stories that you can scratch beneath the surface of people's journeys to get there and what they've achieved and what they've had, the sacrifices that all top sportsmen make to get to that point. Yeah. And then to, I don't know, score a drop goal like that at that last moment of the last game. It's unbelievable. Yeah, but for you to be there, I'd have to have pictures around my house of said moments to be like, that's one of mine, that's one of mine.

17:16It's not about you, is it? It's about... It kind of is, Gabby. If you happen to be there during all these big moments, it can't be a coincidence. You just feel very, very lucky when the drama kind of evolves in a way that you, as somebody who's helping to tell the story, have something so fantastic to talk about. Yeah, totally. All right, question number three. Who captained England to victory in the UEFA Women's Euros 2022? Got an answer? I have. I think, well, Gabby's going to know this. Yeah. I've gone Jill Scott. No. I don't think it was. No. She came off the bench, Jill, didn't she? She did an amazing job.

17:55Held the ball up at the end. Do you remember before Chloe Kelly? I was going to go Russo. Leah Williamson. Okay, so she's now one ahead. She is.

18:05Tom Kerridge: Just so you know, she's now one ahead. The gap is growing. She's in a happy place. I found that tournament so special to watch the final with my daughter and to be at home. and we were all in the garden, we had a screen out there. It was such a special moment. You know, obviously so special as a dad, from a dad's point of view, for her to see that happening. And, you know, it got her wanting to play football more and more. All of her friends have joined clubs from there. And you did this quite incredible speech at the time. Did you sort of kind of get the feedback about how profound that moment was for a lot of people?

18:43amazed at how much people wanted to talk about it afterwards actually and and it was it was deliberate on the way there in the morning i i'm where i live you can see the wembley arch from where i live and on the way there i was looking kind of in the back of the car looking at the arch kind of thinking this is huge if they win this suddenly you know you've done a month of football because we had that tournament to ourselves on the bbc we weren't sharing with itv so i'd done a match every couple of days for a month you know done all of england's big games as well as other matches. And suddenly I realised that this could be so seismic and impactful for women's sport and women's football.

19:16So I needed to jot some words down that might, because in the heat of the moment, when you're doing a live match, especially with extra time, potentially penalties, you know, when normally I write on the hoof, you know, so I'm writing during the show. But I thought I need to really think about this because it could be that something a bit more profound needs to be said. And so I jotted it on down in my laptop and the only person I showed was the overarching kind of editor of the production team. and I said, this is what I'm going to say if they win. And he was like, yeah. And that was it. And then I put it to bed.

19:43And then, of course, they, you know, went to extra time. And I'm thinking, I might not need those words now. England's done it again type thing. You know, it's going to be Germany. But, yeah, I was glad I got to because it meant that something huge had happened. So was that just in your phone then? Yeah, it was in my iPad. I just kind of like was literally kind of trying to play on words with, you know, footballs. kind of you know it's on the way over and yeah in the morning on the way there yeah i thought you had a script writer no no i we don't have script writers in sports television that's one myth dispel yeah it's not pre-recorded eve fg speaking of which yes match of the day we've got to talk about it and i know obviously you you know everyone's talking to you about it how are you feeling like obviously it's such an institution of a show are you excited to get going yeah it's It's amazing how much it matters, really matters to people, obviously.

20:38And people have an opinion. I'm not amazed how much it matters. But obviously for us, for the three of us, I mean, Kelly's not actually worked on it before. But she's obviously an absolutely accomplished broadcaster who does tons and tons of live football. Chappas has done Match of the Day 2 for over a decade. And I've dipped in and out for the last 20 years almost since I've been at the BBC, filling in when Gary was off or if Chappas is off. So I know the show as well and grew up watching it. And so we're all from the mechanics of the show. we're all really au fait with it but i think it's the what it means to people in their hearts and what it means to people in you know the kind of the country is still this very symbolic program and which is amazing when you think the sporting landscape has got so much live sport and yet this highlights program has still got such a special place and still has amazing audience as well so our job is just to carry on making you know great television that people want to come and tune in on a saturday night and a sunday night and and not change tons because it's a football highlight

21:31Tom Kerridge: show so i think it would feel like i'm sure a very smooth transition because it's familiar faces and people who we've seen on match of the day before and it's been like you want to trust people in that job you need to with that show you need to have people on it that you can trust and and everyone does with you but now what you're gonna inherit is you the you know the running order on it when when your team isn't on you know when your team is quite regularly lost now you're gonna be i'm gonna get that you're gonna get the blame for all of that which i already experienced when i've done it before it's amazing I mean usually it's well they're not in the Premier League anymore they got relegated but usually it's Southampton fans oh yeah when it was Watford in the Premier League you know it was late nights every Saturday when was that it was it was a while ago now

22:16Tom Kerridge: alright it's my round and this week my ingredient is basil now every week I do a round about ingredients and basil for me is like one of the most amazing beautiful herbs it's got a real pungency to it and a real heat like if you have too much of it it can become incredibly overpowered but it works beautifully with desserts as well with strawberries it's absolutely amazing and one of the big things a big kind of like chef tip for basil is actually not slicing it not cutting it it's tearing it it's one of those leaves that works so much more flavor comes from it the natural oils if you bruise it if you squeeze it or tear it that's where the flavor profiles come out like it's amazing and then keeping the stalks and dropping it into tomato sauces and things like that letting them infuse and then taking them out it goes a long long way and there's also lots of different types of basil as well which leads me on to question one which of the following is not a common variety of basil is it a thai basil b purple basil c cinnamon basil or d ginger basil so okay thai did you say thai ginger.

23:26Tom Kerridge: Thai basil, purple basil, cinnamon basil, or ginger basil. You're saying ginger with great emphasis. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Or ginger basil. Okay. Gabby, what have you written? I've heard of purple and I've heard of Thai. I've never heard of ginger basil, so it's not common to me. No, and I've not heard of cinnamon basil. No. I've written cinnamon basil, if I'm honest. It's ginger basil. Is it ginger basil? Did you know ginger basil? It's ginger basil. So what's going on there? What's cinnamon basil? Again, it tastes slightly spicy. It's got this kind of like big aftertaste. Basil is one of those herbs because it's one of those, it's a very leafy herb and the flavors and profiles that you can come from it are incredibly powerful.

24:13Tom Kerridge: Too much of it, like it really does overpower. Where did you get ginger basil from? Ginger basil doesn't exist. Oh. Cinnamon basil. Cinnamon basil, yeah. It does exist, yeah, yeah. I've never heard of that. Well, it's not common. I was thinking it was some kind of rare variety. No, you can grow them. Again, it's actually quite a hard one to grow because it's a very summery one. It's a very delicate plant, actually. It can lose... It's not like sage or rosemary or thyme where you can grow it quite easy, even parsley. Basil can... It's one of those ones that's very, very difficult to keep. And the moment you tear the leaves, it breaks.

24:41Tom Kerridge: But it's also... I mean, we all know it. It's amazing in Italian foods. It's fantastic in sauces. It's amazing just put onto pastas. But it is fantastic going with strawberries. Like, strawberries and basil is a fantastic... One of my go-to evening snacks is just chopping up loads of little baby plum tomatoes, a little bit of balsamic, a bit of basil. Just like, that's my snack. Lovely. It's amazing. Yeah, beautiful. Little bits of mozzarella through that, or some hard cheese. Now it's turning into dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like drizzle of very, very expensive olive oil. Just the little touch of it is absolutely amazing.

25:12It makes a difference, doesn't it, expensive olive oil?

25:13Tom Kerridge: Oh, it's unbelievable. But you don't have to use loads. No. Like a small bottle that could cost what feels like the earth, but you're not cooking with it. you are just drizzling a tiny little bit. It can last for ages and it tastes fantastic. Yeah, it's amazing. You can even just stick some basil stalks in that bottle and leave it to infuse. In the olive oil. Yeah. Nice. Question number two. Which Italian sauce is made with crushed basil leaves? There is a bonus point as well if you can name the four other ingredients. I mean, obviously not salt and pepper. We're not putting those as ingredients, are we?

25:47Well, that's changing the rules, Gabby. Unnecessarily. Okay. What have you done for the sauce? Pesto. Pesto.

25:56Tom Kerridge: Pesto is the sauce. Yes. And is it a bonus point for each ingredient? Oh, hello. So this is a high scoring question. Before we go, like, I mean, this is four points here, mate. Yeah. Think. Yeah, I've got some of them, I think. Okay. Do you want to go first, Gabby? Pine nuts. Yes. Olive oil. Yeah. Lemon juice and parmesan. Oh, that's so good. Three. Right. Never put lemon juice in a pesto. Okay. It's acidic. Acid will turn the leaves green. So three of them. You should use lemon zest if you wanted to enhance it, but it's not a classic ingredient in a pesto. Okay, I've gone. So three of them are right.

26:35So the parmesan bit. I've missed that. Pine nuts and olive oil. Okay, so I went pine nuts, olive oil. That's two points, Sophie. Then I started struggling. I went pepper. And Gabby sort of peed all over that one. And then for the fourth one, I went love.

26:52Tom Kerridge: see that is probably worth a point because everything that uses love like it tastes better great but pesto would only be great pesto if it had garlic in it oh how can i forget garlic oh man garlic garlic oh love's a nice answer garlic and love is kind of they're interchangeable yeah or repellent i don't know which way am i right that kenny's signature dish is a kind of pesto pasta thing or yeah but that was only because uh but from the little pre-made i used to tell him how easy it is to make it and he when i was doing things like final score on a saturday and he had the kids on their own when they were little like three and four that would be the dish he made every saturday tea time for them he'd put some chicken in as well or something and they thought he was a genius making i'd spend like hours making really nice dishes and stuff and they go daddy's pesto pasta's amazing so it always reminds them of that but now even the kids would make pesto sauce yeah actually from scratch yeah they're both really quite a foodie family yeah reuben's pretty much like he would not have any bought sauces he would make everything from scratch which is really messy you know when he comes in having had a night out at midnight and decides he wants to kind of make something and i come in the morning and there's literally ingredients all over the place but i'd rather he did that you know yeah so then a kebab yeah midnight cooking is yeah it's a little dangerous i might say but good fun like because your brain's also differently wired at that point to what what it needs yeah strange combinations of things and you're having to be resourceful with what's in there yeah so it might just be a tin of tuna and some potato waffles or a lasagna you're in a toasty or exactly that i wish he would just make a toasty but he the other night this is literally the weekend that's just gone he came in at four and uh he set off i was on my own because kenny was away and he set off i didn't realize the smoke alarm has now been connected to the system so it sounds like the house alarm so i get woken up by what i think is the house alarm so i quickly turn the house alarm off but i'm actually turning it on so then when he moves again in the kitchen the house alarm goes off as well so we've now got two alarms going off so i'm i'm all over the place you know you wake up thinking what's going on went downstairs and he's like sorry and he's basically cooking a waggy steak at four in the morning what a guy he's living his best life right now it wasn't for him by the way that was that was in the fridge for a treat which was going to be used it was not for him to be cooking it no gabby you know the rules by now the fridge is fair yeah yeah so after a night out this is what he'll say he said you never told me i didn't know i wasn't supposed to cook that you know so um yeah i couldn't even speak because i was so tired and cross that you know he'd woken me up i just went and walked off and went to bed and yeah that was it anyway question number three question number three this is uh loosely connected to basil i've just read the question what color is basil brush's jacket oh it's before my time this is before my time i'm going i've got a good basil brush story oh great i love a showbiz gossip story and it can't get any better than basil brush there's there's a golf club called richmond which is quite an expensive golf club but they have within it a thing called the stage and you're only allowed to play monday to friday because the members play at the weekends and obviously if you're an out of work actor or between jobs or you know that kind of thing it's perfect because you can go and play you know so friends of mine are actors said oh you should you know join the stage so i go for my interview and it's a long table like this with all the members around and i sat down at the end to be interviewed and then suddenly basil brush appears from under the table because the guy who was basil brush is the captain of the club and interviews me as basil brush so i'm literally chatting to basil brush asking me about my goal asking me how often i'll play so yeah it came from nowhere and everybody else on the table all sat because they're all like actors they all sat stony faced as if it was the most natural thing in the world so i hope i get his jacket color right because i think that's just the best story did you get accepted into the golf club i did yeah i haven't played nearly enough there but it's great and they do a christmas show that everybody you know has a part i haven't managed to do it yet but my friends who are actors say it's fantastic that's so good i've probably got the jacket what is the answer well the answer what have you written yellow i've written green I went blue.

31:26Did you? So only one of us can be right, and we're probably all wrong. The answer is green. Is it? Oh. Oh. This is true, Gabby. I'm reading here that you were asked to be in the original Gladiators. Yes, it's true. What would your name have been? Oh, my mum and I in the kitchen, I can picture her. I was stood in the kitchen, and she came up with something like crystal tips or something like that. Crystal tips? I mean, she was like, she was... I might need to work. She was like, do you know what Caliators is, mum? I was only 19 at the time. I was in between school and university. And the British Gymnastics Association had been approached by the producer, Nigel Lithgow, from Thames Television, saying, we've got this show, we need people who are gymnasts and that kind of thing, acrobatic type people.

32:15And would you go along for a tryout? And at my tryout, there was Wolf and Diane Udall, who became Jet, were both at that audition. there was only about six of us and I was just useless I just knew I wasn't going to get you know and then they came out and said um well no but um would you like to be a contestant instead and then some tragically my brother died in between that and it happening and I didn't do the show and then I went to uni in the autumn and everybody was crowded around any big tv they could watching the show it was such a huge hit and I was like thank you for not letting me do this it would have been so embarrassing being on gladiators when you're a student and kind of you know all your fears would be like taking the mick out of you so embarrassing awesome i can't well i think i probably would have been terrible and so it would have been awful or just gone and won it i mean

33:01Tom Kerridge: that would have been a different thing that could have been that um can we also talk about your podcast as well midpoint which is all about hitting this point in your life obviously and um you've had you've had guests on that and it's led to some great discussions yeah about 187 guests actually some guests yeah i only know this because we're five years old this week or next week in the next few weeks yeah incredible yeah so um it's been brilliant because i started in lockdown like a lot of people started projects and i looked at my own kind of address book and said all right oh john bishop you used to be um uh an avatar no he worked in sales for a pharmaceutical company and then you made this big midlife shift at 40 to become a comedian so i was looking at people's kind of lives that had big changes that was the original premise and how you keep reinventing yourself and keep kind of going, you know, through this period that can be, for a lot of people, quite a pull one way or the other.

33:52You've got kids who are kind of teenagers, parents who might need you as well. So trying to kind of inspire that, you know, change that people might want to make. And then it just morphed into other things because women started talking a lot more about menopause on it. And that became such a huge conversation. You know, when I sat down with Penny Lancaster talking about throwing Rod Stewart's dinner at the wall because she was so enraged about something, I thought, gosh, how open, you know, and kind of, this is like one of the biggest rock stars in the world's kind of wife talking about this period of life so it's been it's been great i've learned so much from it because you know you have these experts and guests who are so open and it's been really not just i think enlightening for me but also life-changing for us as a family because my husband ended up finding out he had prostate cancer by listening to an episode with davina mccall bizarrely like a tenuous link but she was talking about hormones and he came into my office and said, I've just been listening to Davina on my walk and what happens to men's hormones?

34:47And I said, well, you don't, they don't fall off a cliff as quickly. And he said, I'm going to get my hormones tested. And he went to ostensibly get his testosterone levels tested and they said, well, they're fine, but your PSA is high. And he was like, what's PSA? It's an indicator of prostate cancer. And he had no idea, had no symptoms, had no kind of reason for getting that done. So I think whatever happens with the podcast, we're kind of grateful that it's given him an opportunity to have a life because you know he was obviously at a position where you know it was it's the power of these conversations and it's so good i think with podcasts that there is these platforms now that people are able to hear and i think it's happening in quite a few places conversations that sort of gently persuade you to maybe do things that you maybe put off or we did an episode the prostate cancer episode which we recorded bits throughout kenny's journey and he said i don't want to do anything until i know you know i'm through it and um and so many people come up to us and tell us that they've made people listen to it in their lives who've then got tested who've then found they've got early stages or just to be have peace of mind and so it's so lovely to be able to do something like that and give back you know use your team gabby go on

36:06Tom Kerridge: okay gabby it is your run now and your specialist subject is geography right i mean that's a strong show it's wide isn't it yeah yeah when i was asked i was also preparing to go on the wheel

36:24okay the first two times i went on the wheel which is the michael mcintyre show on the bbc yeah i chose sporting subjects and then the third time i thought you know what i'm not going to be just limited to being that sports person i'll show them i'll show them yeah so i kept pushing for geography and you could hear the researcher like rebutting it and going yeah but what about sport yeah but what about sport and so my daughter's doing a geography degree and i love geography so i thought why not do something that i enjoy yeah it's just a little bit wide though isn't it geography as a you know it's pretty big yeah it's pretty big it's pretty it's pretty big the whole world but it's cool yeah why not do something different you shouldn't just be sport gabby logan yeah well geography gabby logan i tell you what i know it'll be probably uk geography i travel all over the uk and the world doing my job and i feel so lucky that sport takes me into corners of this country that a lot of people don't get to see you know i'm i'm a northerner my half my family are welsh i'm married to a scotsman so already we're spread out but i go to corners of the country that I'm really privileged to go to cities and towns that people don't, you know, not everybody, if they've got no reason, would go to Doncaster.

37:30Do you know what I mean? Or go to Barnsley or go to Sunderland. And so I feel like I'm really lucky that I know this country really well. Okay. M &S have sent us some lovely food for this round as well, Gabby.

37:40Tom Kerridge: So in front of us, M &S have sent us a Japanese feast because apparently it's one of your favourite cuisines. That'll explain maybe geography and travel. Yeah. We have an M &S grill for yakitori-style chicken thigh kebab. which are diced British chicken thigh marinated in soy, garlic and onion. We've got a Japanese-style fried onion hot dog with milk buns. We've got miso mushroom dragon roll which is like a California sushi roll filled with shredded miso oyster mushroom. And we've got a chicken Caesar dragon roll. Mochi bites in two different flavours. We've got a mango one and a passion fruit one.

38:13Tom Kerridge: So these are Japanese-style ice cream bites that are wrapped in that kind of silky rice dough. I love a mochi dough, like gooey and chewy and it's amazing. and we've got a lychee sake spritz, one of M &S's new brand. Oh, I love that. Timmy's. Can I have a look? There we go. Can I partake? Yeah, you can. You may. Do you make a lot of Japanese dishes at home? I try. I love eating Japanese food and I do try and make Japanese food at home and my daughter makes a really good dish which she calls inside out sushi which is all the things that you might put in sushi and then she wraps it, and thank you, in a kind of, in the seaweed afterwards, which is my favourite.

38:57And she'll marinate the kind of fish or meat for a few hours beforehand. And so she's become the kind of, the queen of that. She doesn't wake me up at four in the morning. She does it at civilised hours. But yeah, I love Japanese food. Yeah, I'd love to be able to make it. I would love to go on a course, do something like that.

39:15Tom Kerridge: I love watching the one country that I've not been to and I'd love to go for food. So many of my chef friends have been and it's not just the actual food, it's the process, it's the respect of the ingredients, it's the way that everything is handled and dealt with and I think it's the complete methodology of the love of the process from start to finish of the way it all works. I think as chefs, every chef that I know that's been there just becomes obsessed with the manner and the style of working. So many of the restaurants that we went to when we traveled there were no bigger than this room. And there would be a bar like this and you could only get 12 people in to eat.

39:53And it would be this one place we went to in Kyoto was just silent because everybody was totally absorbed by watching the chef and his sous chefs and various other people working in the kitchen. And the food was like, the kids still talk about it. That's incredible. What are you saying about the chicken thighs? Nice? I absolutely love the chicken thighs. Can I use a knife and fork just so that I don't? Yeah, of course. So these are yakitori style chicken thighs. It's kind of like small things grilled on a kebab. Yeah, great. Star stick over some hot coals with the marinade.

40:24Tom Kerridge: It's delicious. It's absolutely amazing. I love the milk bun. What is a milk bun? It's like a bun made with milk, but it's really soft. It's exactly what it is. It's kind of like a non-sweetened brioche. Yeah, it's exactly. It's a very, the milk is there as opposed to the butter in a brioche. So it gives it that wonderful dairy richness. It's really light and fluffing. and then you've got the mochi balls for dessert when you want to go there. I've never eaten this before. What? I've never eaten this before. I don't know what's going on in my mouth. This is incredible. It tastes amazing, but what am I eating?

41:01Tom Kerridge: What is this madness? You're eating like a mango ice cream that's been wrapped in like a mochi dough. Yours might be passion for you, actually. With that dough, it's kind of like a stretched gluten-y dough that gets pulled and pulled and pulled and pulled it's made with rice flour and they do it actually they do it by quite often they might do it with a hammer and it gets moved and someone bangs it and stretches it and bangs it and stretches it and bangs it and keep all those glutes and then they wrap it it's gorgeous innit how's no one ever given me one of these before it's lush innit mate that's that is one of the nicest things I think I've ever eaten it's so good

41:47round three as you've already pointed out I have chosen geography as my very wide topic but I think you'll like the first question which river is the longest in the UK?

42:00Tom Kerridge: I've gone to Thames I think it's my patch I think it's my manor I think it's the River Seven I'm fairly sure it is the River Seven as well shall I confirm? it is it's the River Seven River Seventh. I do feel we're in a sort of penalty shootout situation between you two. So let's ramp up the tension here. Well, this next one, I think could be an interesting question because it is, in which southern county would you find the town's scratchy bottom? I feel like it should be scratchy bottom. Scratchy bottom, yeah. It's got to be an accent like that. It's a bit of view, isn't it? Is it Somerset? Is it Devon?

42:35Tom Kerridge: Is it Somerset? Is it Devon? Is it Dorset? Is it Wiltshire? Is it Cornwall? I don't think it's Cornwall. I don't think it's Yorkshire. No.

42:45I'm going to go... I've got an answer. I've got Devon on this one, Gabby. Okay, I'm going to go Somerset. And I've gone Wiltshire. Where have you gone? Wiltshire. Wiltshire. And the answer is... Dorset. Dorset. Dorset, of course it is. Dorset. I did a little tour around the UK of funny place names. And you've been there, yeah? I don't remember going to Scratchy Bottom. There's a lovely town called Muff, which I've visited, right? and I'm not saying this as a joke they have a diving society of which I'm now an honorary member I've got the membership card and everything but it's a beautiful place it is genuinely a beautiful place I met the mayor of Muff they've got Muff barbers and their local drink and yes it's a brewery it's a lovely distillery called the Muff Liquor Society honestly it's a lovely drink I'm not just saying that how many places have got a diving club.

43:39I mean... Oh, Gary, do you want in? I can sort you a membership. It'll be like your Richmond golf one. Without Basil Brush.

43:50Tom Kerridge: Yeah, but you don't want to interview by Basil Brush. Okay. Question number three. Okay. From scratchy bottoms to question three. And this could be a decider if we knew where we were with the points. I don't know if we've got any idea. We don't know. Okay. Which island group lies furthest north in the UK? I've gone Orkney, Shetland. It'll be something like that. I've gone Orkney. I've gone out of Hebrides. I've gone just for Shetland because I think it's the most famous. But I don't know what... It's the Shetlands. Is it? Yeah. Tom Courage, well done. Look at that. That was a complete blag. That was a throw it out there.

44:31Okay, the results in third place. Can I just say?

44:35Tom Kerridge: Yes. I think I've done alright this way you know normally I go I've done really bad I feel like you've done well do you know what it is I think I've done alright here I think it's the garlic in the four pointer do you know what I mean the pesto four pointer I think I think you've done alright I think it's alright alright mate we'll see I've had a shocker on geography my own topic listen third place let's get to the results third place 6.5 points it's me well done Chris thank you everyone finishing the series I already started yeah yeah it's all good right in second place with nine and a half points it's Gabby Logan that is a surprise which means the winner of this week's Proportation Cup with M &S Food with 11 points on the final episode is Mr Tom Kerridge everyone well Tom thanks mate thank you very much thank you does that hurt inside saying that I'm going to go away I'm going to train harder I'm going to practice more and I'm going to come back next season and I'm going to learn from that Thomas, the final episode.

45:36I think you deserve a special prize for it. I'm going to award you another Michelin star. Do you know what? That would be amazing.

45:42Tom Kerridge: Have it. Thanks on me. Gabby, Logan, everyone. Gabby, thank you so much for joining us on today's Proper Tasting Cup quiz. We've loved having you on. Yeah, an absolute massive thank you to Gabby. And honestly, M &S for being our partners on this series and supplying us with so many great dishes and food throughout the whole 36 episodes. They've been amazing. Thank you, M &S. It's been a lot of fun. Been an absolute joy. Gabby, can you do us the honours, please, one final time? Call final orders on the podcast, please. Just ring the bell and act like a landlord. There we go. Last orders. Yay. Gabby Logan.

46:16Thank you, guys. Brilliant. Thanks, Gabby. Thank you.