In short
Responding to a 2.5-year-old’s escalating fears (vacuum, dishwasher, birds, cars, even bath/house) without “rescuing” or trying to reason her out of it.
Guest backgrounds
No guests. The episode is hosted by Janet Lansbury (Unruffled), responding to a parent’s note.
Key claims
Fear is a feeling like others; toddlers can’t reason when dysregulated. Parents should validate and acknowledge (“I can see you’re afraid/scared; you’re safe; I’m right here”) while dialing back urgency and “fixing.” Picking up/removing the child can amplify the fear because it signals the situation is a major threat. Language may label feelings inaccurately due to developing communication.
Notable examples
Vacuum/dishwasher/birds—nod, minimal words, offer safe proximity; cars—hold her hand and cross safely; daycare—acknowledge “I hear you don’t want to go,” still go.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUnderstanding Toddler Fears
0:00 to 1:02
Discussion on the nature of fears in toddlers and parental responses.
“It's been really hot this month and unfortunately there's probably more to come, but I refuse to be cooped up inside all day.”
Understanding Toddler Fears
3:06 to 6:11
Discussion on the nature of fears in toddlers and parental responses.
“So what I would like to talk about is specifically responding to our child's fears.”
Responding to Fearful Moments
6:11 to 8:11
Janet provides insights on how to comfort children during fearful situations.
“it can make these moments especially difficult to understand and navigate.”
Developmental Insights into Fears
8:11 to 12:00
Exploration of toddler development and how it relates to their fears.
“But first, let me just tell you the rest of the exchange that we had.”
Navigating Fear Responses
12:00 to 14:01
Continued discussion on effective strategies for helping fearful children.
“It's representative of all of these general feelings that children at this age have and that sensitive children tend to be more reactive to.”
Understanding Toddler Fears
14:01 to 24:20
Explore how to approach a toddler's fear with understanding and support.
“When I have the time and mental bandwidth, I try to get down to her level and say something like, I can see you're really afraid.”
Navigating Children's Emotions
26:52 to 28:05
Learn strategies for supporting children through overwhelming feelings.
“So this parent says, when she becomes really anxious or afraid, she can be so overwhelmed that she struggles to find words at all.”
Understanding Toddler Fears
28:05 to 34:05
Learn how to support toddlers through their fears without over-accommodating.
“So let's use some of the examples this parent gave.”
Transcript
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2:54And this parent is wondering what to do, how to handle it. It's not easy for her because she's got two other children and she can't just sort of rush to comfort this child and take her away from what's scaring her. So what I would like to talk about is specifically responding to our child's fears. And there's so many good topics that come up in what's going on with this family that will apply to a lot of other situations. one of the main ones is that fear is another kind of feeling, right? We talk a lot on this podcast about feelings that kids have and the challenge to let those feelings have a life, to let them land, to allow children to express them, to even encourage children to express them, all the uncomfortable feelings.
3:45And fear is another kind of feeling. So in that sense, All the other information and advice you've heard me give about feelings applies here too, but this can look different to us as parents and it's concerning this parent a lot, understandably. So let's dive in. Hi, Janet. I'm a longtime fan of your work and I've learned so much from your wry approach to parenting over the years. I'd really love your thoughts on something we've been navigating with our two and a half year old daughter, the youngest of three with two older brothers, eight and almost six. Over the past several months, she's become increasingly anxious and fearful, and the range of things that frighten her seems to be growing.
4:30She's especially scared of loud or unpredictable sounds like the vacuum, dishwasher, birds cawing, or workmen nearby. But she also says she's scared of cars when we cross roads or walk through car parks, and sometimes even, I'm scared of our house. Today she became scared of the bath, telling me there were pebbles in the bath, even though there was nothing there except water and her usual toys. When something frightens her, she can become extremely distressed, crying, and wanting to be picked up or taken away from the situation, and she can be very difficult to settle even once the trigger is gone.
5:10She's always been a sensitive, cautious child, particularly around unfamiliar people and busy environments, but this feels like more than her usual temperament. She's also recently started crying at daycare drop-off and saying, I don't want to go to daycare, which is new and unusual for her after 18 months at the same center. Her educators tell us she settles and is happy throughout the day, and she speaks very fondly of her teachers and her friends. She really is an awesome little person, confident, sassy, assertive, loving, and incredibly chatty. With the people she trusts, she's happy and outgoing, loves to play and joke around with her older brothers, and has absolutely no hesitation letting us know what she wants or how she feels.
5:57Her language and development are excellent, and she's usually very good at communicating with us. But when she's frightened, it's like the feeling completely overwhelms her, and she can't tell us what's wrong beyond saying she's scared. I know that's completely normal at her age, but for a kid who can usually communicate so well, it can make these moments especially difficult to understand and navigate. We're honestly at a bit of a loss about how best to help her. When she's this frightened, of course, we want to comfort her and help her feel safe, but we can't always pick her up or remove the trigger.
6:32She's getting heavier. We have two older children who need us too, and we can't avoid everyday things like running the dishwasher or encountering a loud bird outside, we also wonder whether always making the scary thing go away might unintentionally reinforce the idea that it really is dangerous. How do we give her the comfort and security she clearly needs while helping her learn that she can feel scared and still be safe? What does supporting her through that fear look like when we can't always pick her up, remove her from the situation, or make the frightening thing stop. Thank you so much.
7:08I'd really value your perspective. So I love this parent's question. How do we give her the comfort and security she clearly needs while helping her learn that she can feel scared and still be safe? This is the goal, right? That our child knows that there's going to be uncomfortable feelings like that, that you could have them. Overall, though, you sense that you are safe. So right now, we really want to focus on giving her the confidence and really the validation for her feelings so that she knows there's nothing wrong with having those feelings. But then, like this parent said, that she can handle them.
7:50She can be safe in them. This is a wonderful goal for all of us to have with our children, right? That we're helping them gain this kind of realistic self-confidence. And this parent says, what is supporting her through that fear look like when we can't always pick her up, remove her from the situation, or make the frightening thing stop? So yes, I'm going to speak directly to that. But first, let me just tell you the rest of the exchange that we had. I said, hi, thank you for your longtime support. I would love to try to help you with your issue, which is not at all atypical for your daughter's age, particularly as she has a sensitive temperament.
8:29I can advise as to how to respond to these fears with the information you've given me, but it might help even more for you to consider if there are any other transitions you may be dealing with at this time. Have there been any changes in your family life, your routines, individually and together? Have you noticed any new skill development happening with your daughter these days? Thank you again. And the reason that I asked this wasn't because, because and this is true for any kind of feeling our child's having, we don't need to know the why. Of course, we want to try to be open to and interested in what's causing the feelings.
9:06And if it's something in the environment, you know, maybe there's even things that we can adjust. But so much of what kids feel at these ages, especially and in adolescence, actually, is to do with the rapid development that's happening inside them that keeps them a little off balance, feeling vulnerable. And then at the same time, especially in these very early years with toddlers, their prefrontal cortex, which is the judgment center of our brains, the reasonable part, right, that we can reason with, is very immature and underdeveloped. It's not developed until we're 25 years old. So that's a long time.
9:48But of course, it does develop gradually. So this does get easier for children. But imagine your amygdala is also immature. And that's the part of you that reacts to any kind of threat. It's the emotional center of your brain. And you have that without the balance and the input of the prefrontal cortex that can have that judgment to say, oh, this is going to be all right. So it's very easy to tip into getting overwhelmed by a fear or just something unusual that you see that you don't like. I remember there was a child in one of my classes who was also very expressive, like this little girl, very, very verbally expressive.
10:30I remember one day she brought in the classroom, she brought in like a stalk of some kind. I don't even think it was really a flower. It was just like a plant. And she had it in her hand. And somehow it bent and broke. And she cried, like just some terrible, tragic thing had happened. This was so upsetting for her. I mean, we were there to acknowledge, whoa, you didn't like that that bent. You didn't like that that broke. How interesting, though, that such a small, minor thing to us could be so upsetting. But it makes sense when we consider how off balance they are in their development. And just something even a little unpredictable can throw them off.
11:21It's like they're trying so hard to just stay centered and grounded in their life when there's so much changing inside of them. But that's how it can feel to especially a sensitive child or an imaginative child, it can feel like, oh no, I've lost all control. Something surprising happened. Something loud happened. Something didn't go the way I thought it was going to go, like this stock bending and breaking. And it's tipping off all those feelings of, wow, there's so much going on that I don't control right now. So it's not specifically about a stalk bending or the fears that this parent was mentioning.
12:07It's representative of all of these general feelings that children at this age have and that sensitive children tend to be more reactive to. So I'm sharing all that just to say that the feelings make sense for this age, no matter what else is going on, even if there isn't a big adjustment happening. In this case, I'll tell you what the parents said. She said, thanks so much for getting back to me. I'm really looking forward to hearing your insights and I appreciate your questions. That's exactly what has left us so stumped. We honestly can't think of any significant transitions or changes recently.
12:45The biggest ones were at the start of the year when she moved from the baby's room to the toddler room at child care and her middle brother started primary school. She seemed to settle into both changes well, though, and they feel quite far removed from what's happening now. Her fears have definitely become more prominent this year in general, but we can't identify anything specific in recent months that would explain why they've intensified so much in the last few weeks. In terms of development, her language has really bloomed recently. She's incredibly chatty and is starting to put together long sentences.
13:22She's also beginning to label her feelings, saying things like, I'm feeling sad or I'm angry. Sometimes, though, when we ask what happened, her explanation doesn't quite match what we've observed. For example, she might say, my brother hit me when we were there and know that he didn't. I don't mean that she's lying at all, ha ha ha. More that perhaps she has the language to name the feeling, but not quite enough language or understanding to explain what caused it. And when she becomes really anxious or afraid, she can be so overwhelmed that she struggles to find words at all. I also wanted to explain a little more about how we respond to her fears in the moment because I don't think I made that clear in my first message.
14:03When I have the time and mental bandwidth, I try to get down to her level and say something like, I can see you're really afraid. That noise scared you. It's okay to feel scared sometimes. and you're safe, my sweetheart. I'm right here with you. But sometimes I'm trying to get three kids out the door, back home, fed, bathed, or into bed, and I just don't have that same capacity. When I'm overwhelmed or exhausted myself, I find myself responding with, what's there to be scared of? It's not going to hurt you. I know that doesn't help. She's still scared, but now probably feels more alone in the fear too.
14:41I think some of that instinct comes from my own childhood and being raised with the idea that we could somehow reason children out of being afraid, which I know from experience doesn't work. At the same time, I sometimes worry about going too far the other direction, whether giving the fears too much attention or always responding by picking her up or removing whatever has frightened her could inadvertently reinforce them. Logically, I'm not sure that acknowledging the fear itself would do that, but I'm struggling to work out where that balance lies, validating and supporting her without communicating that there really is something she needs to be protected from.
15:17And especially what that can realistically look like in these moments when I'm under the pump, stressed or exhausted myself. Thanks again. I really appreciate you taking the time to consider this. Yes. So this parent is covering the whole thing right there. I'm going to go over this bit by bit because there's so many things that she says that I want to respond to and clarify. Her answer to my question, though, is that she really couldn't think of anything that's maybe contributing to this. Like I said, this is such a common developmental behavior that children have and feelings that children have.
15:55But then this parent also says that the language is blossoming and that she's incredibly chatty and starting to put together long sentences. She's also beginning to label her feelings, saying things like, I'm feeling sad or I'm angry. Sometimes though, when we ask what happened, our explanation doesn't quite match what we've observed. So this blossoming of language could definitely be playing a big part here because any kind of development that children are experiencing, it tends to tip them even more off balance. If they're a sensitive child, they're going to tend to be more sensitive to novelty, to things that don't feel in their control, things that are unexpected.
16:38And then she's starting to give words to feelings, right? And this parent realizes that she's sometimes not expressing exactly what she's feeling. That's it right there. So children learn from us about feelings, right? And now she has this language to express herself, but she's not able to analyze what she's actually feeling. So these are words that she's heard us say that we've given importance to or value to, but they aren't necessarily descriptors of her feelings. Like for a child to be able to do that so accurately, I mean, once in a while they're going to be accurate, but to do that so accurately at this age would be, you know, kind of bizarre and phenomenal, right?
17:28Even as adults, sometimes we're in the middle of a feeling and we can't articulate what exactly is going on with us. Oh gosh, I'm having a panic attack right now, or this is really scary or whatever. We're in it. And so imagine a two and a half year old who's just starting to be able to say all these things. She doesn't have that reflective and analytic ability to know exactly what she's feeling. So we want to take all of these expressions with a grain of salt and know that, you know, she's trying and she's expressing something. But oftentimes, when children react to things, we're the ones that take it to the next level.
18:08And where I really sense this is where she says, when I have the time and mental bandwidth, I try to get down to her level and say something like, I can see you're really afraid. That noise scared you. It's okay to feel scared sometimes. And you're safe, my sweetheart. I'm right here with you. So that is lovely. I love the sentiment of I'm right here with you. It's okay to feel scared sometimes. But is the child really scared? I've noticed that as parents, we often are the ones that jump to scared when we don't really know. In fact, oftentimes, our child is just startled, surprised, something mysterious has happened.
18:48And even if a child seems to melt down over that, that's what surprises can do to children in these developmental periods, especially. Just throw the whole system off. That tender balance of control that they're trying to find in their world. And what can happen when we jump to scared is that, yes, this does tend to become more scary. And this parent said something so spot on here that I just wanted to go like, ding, ding, ding. This is totally it. Where she says, I sometimes worry about going too far in the other direction, whether giving the fears too much attention or always responding by picking her up or removing whatever has frightened her, could inadvertently reinforce them.
19:30It's not about too much attention. It's about the kind of attention. So there's never anything wrong with giving our child attention, right? That's always going to be a positive. That's all we want in life, most of us as humans. Somebody pay attention to me, especially when I'm having a feeling. But it's that attention that we're feeling like we have to fix this, that this is major fear happening here, when it might simply be, whoa, that was surprising. That was loud. Did that startle you? You weren't expecting that, right? Those kind of responses are more accurate for what a lot of these feelings actually are that children have.
20:12So when we start giving this, not just the verbal attention of immediately jumping to she's scared, but also now I've got to fix this. I've got to remove her. I've got to pick her up. I've got to make this stop, put this away, you know, tell those birds to stop talking. I mean, she realizes she can't fix a lot of this. And what does that do to us as a parent? It makes us feel exhausted, frustrated, uncomfortable, right? While this is lovely on one hand, and there are times where this is probably the perfect response, generally, if our attention is looking like this, where we try to get down to her level and say, I can see you're really afraid, that noise scared you.
20:57So we're deciding that it's scary, that our child's really afraid, we're making a, you know, point that this is a big thing that's just happened. All of that, and especially the picking them up and removing them and trying to comfort them in that way, can tend to exacerbate the fears. Because when kids feel, wow, my parent sees this is a really serious thing. Every time I go to this place, this is a big problem. Then that starts to amplify it. because this person that I'm looking to for that perspective is acting like I'm traumatized by this. It doesn't help. And it contributes to us feeling impatient about it, right?
21:41When this parent said, when she's overwhelmed and exhausted, of course, she finds herself responding with, what's there to be scared about? It's not going to hurt you. And she says this is from her childhood, raised with the idea that we could somehow reason children out of being afraid. Yes, I think that is part of it. But I think also, what is this urge that we want to use this reason thing? There's a reason we want to use reason. And the reason we want to use reason is that we're uncomfortable, because we feel like our child is not just startled or sparked into a out of control feeling, but that there could be deep fears happening here.
22:20And we got to make that better as parents. We want to make everything better. This responsibility that we put on ourselves is why we're going to lose patience and just try anything. Stop going there. You don't need to worry about that. It makes so much sense, but we wouldn't want to do that. Yes, it's true, like this parent said, that reasoning when children are in an unreasonable place, when anyone's in an unreasonable place where their threat detector has gone off and they are dysregulated and upset about something, reason does not help a child this age. It also doesn't help us to try to go there, not just because it's a wasted breath, but because it's feeding that mentality in us that this is our problem to fix.
23:04And we're all going to go to that sometimes. There's nothing wrong with this parent for saying sometimes, what's her to be scared of? It's not going to hurt you. But what I want to encourage her and anyone listening to do is to dial way back how you're understanding this and And know that your child is going to say the word scared. They're going to say the word angry. They're going to say, my brother hit me. They're going to say things that aren't necessarily what's really going on there. You know, because the imagination comes in. Children this age, especially the more sensitive, imaginative ones.
23:39Yeah, all these things feel very real. And this is, you know, all part of them being incredible learners in these early years. that they're absorbing everything. Everything has some interest and value to them. And these surprising things at certain times in their life for certain children, they don't like them. They don't want that. They want to stay on their delicate ground that they found for themselves in that moment. So yeah, it's uncomfortable for them, but it's healthy for them to pass through, just like all feelings, healthy for them to pass through. Believe it or not, some of my favorite family memories are of traveling with my kids in the car, listening to music and singing along to the songs that we could all enjoy.
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27:26So just getting back to this parent's first note to me, yes, so picking her up, removing her, even when she seems extremely distressed, crying and wanting to be picked up or taken away from the situation. Okay, I want to talk about how that can look when we deescalate in our own minds, not that her feelings aren't valid and real for her, they are. We're never going to be comfortable when our child is uncomfortable, but we can help ourselves to start to dial this back in the way that we're perceiving this as an urgent situation that we need to fix and feel less of that need to do something big, like move her away.
28:06So let's use some of the examples this parent gave. So she's especially scared of louder, unpredictable sounds like the vacuum. I mean, if the vacuum's on and now she's got her eyes wide and everything, then this isn't a place for a lot of talking anyway. but I would just nod my head. Yeah. Oh, you don't like that. And I'm pointing to my ears as I'm saying that I'm just telling you what I'm doing is I'm trying to imagine you don't like that. Maybe we guide our child away calmly. Maybe we just look at them and let them share that with us, but we're just going to do what we need to do. Or maybe we stop it and we go, I'm going to do a few more minutes, but yeah, you can go sit over there or you can wait for me here.
28:49You can put your hands over your ears. We're not saying, oh gosh, we can't put the vacuum on and we're in charge of making this better for her. No, we help her feel heard and understood and supported for what she's feeling. And that takes a lot less effort than, oh God, what am I going to do now with the vacuum? I got to wait till she goes to sleep or whatever. Life goes on. We are acknowledging and accepting, but not accommodating the feelings. Because when we accommodate the feelings, that's when we're agreeing with her that this is a desperate, urgent situation. The dishwasher, the same thing.
29:28We're not going to turn that off and you really don't like that sound. It's very loud, isn't it? It bothers you. Mostly it's just about nodding our heads and agreeing that she doesn't like that. That's what the acknowledging is. It doesn't mean that we drop everything and have to make this better. Birds calling. You didn't like that the bird did that, did you? You really don't like that sound. I wonder what they're saying. I'm saying words, but we can say much less when this is our attitude towards it. So it's expressions on our face, it's nodding our head. And, you know, with that look at our child, like, yeah, that was a bit much, wasn't it, Mr.
30:10bird. She also says she's scared of the cars when we cross roads or walk through car parks. I mean, I would say as somebody that's very scared of cars around kids and around my dog and everything, I would say that's healthy and what I want. But you know, yeah, those cars are fast. They're zoom. They're really going fast and it is dangerous. I've got your hand and we're going to do this safely. Welcoming her to have that feeling. And then when she says I'm scared of our house that I would actually want to know more about. I mean, I think, again, she's going to this word because it's been powerful with us.
30:46And it's a powerful way to express herself that she's enjoying expressing herself right now. And in a lot of positive, fun ways too, it sounds like for this family. But yeah, this is a power word to say. I'm scared of this. I'm scared of that. It's not nearly as literal as it seems. I don't want to go to daycare. We always want to talk kids out of that one because we need them to go to their child care, right? But that's a really important one to let land while we're saying, you know, we're going to go today and your teachers always let me know how you're doing. But I hear that you don't want to go.
31:23Kim John Payne was on this podcast. he's such a wonderful, wise educator. And he said that his grandmother used to just say, oh dear, oh dear. So we can say, oh dear, if that feels comfortable. And that can cover a lot of things, right? That aren't desperate, urgent things that we need to fix. And this parent said, when something frightens her, she can become extremely distressed, crying and wanting to be picked up or taken away from the situation. So that's what she's gotten used to. So I would actually say in almost all of these, I mean, if there's a car coming towards you or driving dangerously around you, you're going to pick her up, of course.
32:02But generally, I would try to be there right next to her, supporting her that way and saying, you want me to move you away, but you know, we're going to stay right here and you can tell me how much you don't like this or how scared you are. That's the word she's using, which again, I would take with a grain of salt, knowing that this is one of her few words about her feelings that she knows to use. and the one that we've modeled in the way that we've responded to her. So that's where I would hold a boundary about, you know, we're going to stay here, but I'm here supporting you and letting her cry and melt down because you're there for her.
32:39She's not abandoned. She's not alone. She's safe. And she's feeling something that she needs to feel all the way to be able to realize that she can handle this and it's okay for her to not like everything that goes on in her world and be bothered by it and surprised by it and even scared by it. Your presence there shows her that she's safe. She doesn't need to be rescued from her feelings. That's the vibe that I want to put out there to her. And like I said, if there's an easy way to help with some of these experiences, we will. But whenever we pick a child up and remove them, children feel the urgent reaction in that.
33:21Children feel the extremeness of that. And whether that's when they're having a conflict with a sibling or a child or when their behavior is out of control and they're throwing things, if we can contain them, which doesn't mean wrapping our arms around them tightly. Just being there to stop the behaviors from being harmful, but allow it to play out. That's how we give them the message that they're safe to feel whatever they're feeling and that we are there for them and we'll support them. And that's a message that takes them through into the next experience and the next experience. The more that we can do this, even if we just do it some of the time.
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A two-and-a-half-year-old has become increasingly anxious and fearful. She often becomes overwhelmed but can't explain what's wrong beyond saying she's scared, and she wants to be picked up or removed from the situation. Her mom wonders where comfort ends and reinforcing the fear begins: “How do we give her the comfort and security she clearly needs while helping her learn that she can feel scared and still be safe?” Janet explores what may really be going on and how parents can respond
in a way that respects the feelings without exacerbating them.
Janet's "No Bad Kids Master Course" is available at NoBadKidsCourse.com and JanetLansbury.com.
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